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Question Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread ( 2CPU.com Discussion Forums Cases, Power and Modifications )
Updated: 2008-04-22 11:53:44 (4366)
Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Asus NCCH-DL


Processor
- Supports SMP dual Processors
- Supports Intel Xeon (Prestonia / Nocona EM64T Technology) up to 4.4GHz+ with 1MB L2 cache
- Supports 533 / 800MHz FSB

Chipset
- Intel 82875P (Canterwood) MCH
- Intel 6300ESB (Hance Rapid) ICH
- Supports PC3200/PC2700/PC2100 DDR Memory (Unbuffered DIMM, non-ECC and ECC)
- Supports 64-bit/66MHz PCI-X bus and 32-bit/32MHz PCI bus

System Memory
- 4 x 184-pin DIMM sockets
- Each DIMM socket supports 64MB to 1GB PC3200/PC2700/PC2100 DDR unbuffered DIMM module
- Supports ECC-based 128MB to 4GB memory capacity

Slots
- 2 x 64-bit/66MHz PCI-X slot
- 2 x 32-bit/33MHz PCI slot
- 1 x 1.5v AGP Pro 4X/8X

Serial ATA Controller
- Promise PDC20319 SATA controller, provides 4 x SATA ports which support RAID 0, 1, 0+1 Multi RAID function
- Intel 6300ESB Adaptec SATA Host RAID provides 2 x SATA ports which support RAID 0, 1 configurations and Intel Matrix Storage Technology

IEEE 1394 Controller
- TI TSB43AB22A 2 ports IEEE 1394 controller
- Supports IEEE 1394 up to 400Mb/s transfer rate

Onboard LAN
- Intel 82547GI Gigabit Ethernet LAN chip on board
- Supports 10/100/1000 Mbps transfer rate

Onboard Audio
- Analog Devices AD1980 AC97 codec audio controller
- Supports 6-channel audio function

Onboard IDE
- Primary & Secondary channel bus master IDE ports support ATA100, Multi-Word DMA mode 2, PIO mode 3/4
- Supports ATAPI IDE CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, and ZIP LS120

Rear I/O Connector
- 1 x PS/2 keyboard port, 1 x PS/2 mouse port
- 4 x External USB 2.0 ports (Support Hot-plug function)
- 1 x External IEEE 1394 port
- 2 x Serial ports
- 1 x Parallel port (ECP, EPP Port)
- 1 x RJ-45 LAN port with LED (Integrated with USB)
- 1 x Mic/Line-in/Line-out Connector

Onboard Connector
- 3V, 5V, 12V 24-pin SSI power connector & 12V 8-pin connector
- 1 x Floppy port (Up to 2.88MB, 3 Mode)
- 2 x ATA100 connectors
- 6 x SATA connectors
- 1 x IEEE 1394 connector
- CHASSIS: chassis intrusion
- SPDIF out connector
- Game port connector
- Fan: CPU Fan1, Fan2, Rear Fan1, Fan2, Front Fan1, Fan2 connectors

PC Health Monitoring
PC Health Monitoring support the following:
- 6 x Fan sensor & control: CPU fan*2, System fan*2, Chassis fan*2
- Voltage sensor: Vcore0, Vcore1, +1.5V(vNB), +2.5V(vDDR), +3V, +5V, +12V, +5Vsb, Vbat
- 3 x Thermal sensor: Environment x 1, CPU x 2

Front and Back Panel
- Front panel: 20-pin panel
- Support power button, reset button, system warning/failure LED, chassis intrusion switch, HDD access LED, power status LED

BIOS
- 4Mbit flash memory
- AWARD BIOS with ACPI, DMI, Green, PnP features, plus Enhanced Server BIOS features
- Crash-free BIOS, Q-Fan, My-Logo, Multi-Language, EZ-Flash, CPU frequency adjustable, Boot from USB/FDD/ZIP/HDD/CD

Special Feature
- Throttling mode support (System will automatically speed down upon CPU overheating)
- Overclocking on FSB & DRAM
- Power management mode S1, S3, S4(depend on OS support) & S5
- Dual VRM Design

Board Size
- ATX(12.0" X 9.8")

64-bit OS Support
- Windows XP Pro 64-Bit
- Windows 2003 Server 64-Bit
- RedHat / Fedora, Gentoo, SuSE
- Solaris 9
- FreeBSD
- OS/2
- SCO UnixWare
- SCO OpenServer
- NetWare Server

Advanced BIOS Features:
- CPU vCore: [+V?]
- CPU Clock: [100-132MHz][133-165MHz][200-250MHz] // depend on installed CPU
- CPU Clock Ratio: [12x-18x] // depend on installed CPU
- Chipset vCore Voltage: [+1.5V][+1.6V][+1.7V][+1.8V]
- DRAM vCore Voltage: [+2.6V][+2.7V][+2.8V]
- DRAM Frequency: [DDR266][DDR320][DDR333][DDR400][Auto]
- CAS Latency Time: [2][2.5][3]
- Active to Precharge Delay: [5][6][7][8]
- DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay:[2][3][4]
- DRAM RAS# Precharge: [2][3][4]

BIOS, Drivers, Utilities, Manual Download:
- NCCH-DL Download Page
- WinXP/2K3 64-bit Gigabit LAN Driver (Works for Win64 Build 1218)
- BIOS 1003 Final (10-01-04)
- ASWM (Asus System Web-based Management for CPU temp, Fan Speed, MB Voltage, etc.)
Note: Windows users need to install IIS and SNMP services using add/remove programs to add windows components. To monitor the system health, open a web browser and use "http://localhost:2623" as web address.

Technical References:
- ICS 952618
- ADI ADP3148 Dual Boostrapped 12V MOSFET Driver PDF (VRM)
- ADI ADP3168 Synchronous buck controller PDF (vCore)
- TI LM358 Quadruple Operational Amplifier (vNB)
- RichTek RT9202 Single synchronous buck controller PDF (vDimm)

Motherboard Software Utilities:
- CPU-Z 1.25
- ClockGen CG-ICS952618 (32-bit/64-bit compatible)
- Tweaker 1.0 (Memory tweaker allows PAT enabled when running 4 x DIMM above 200FSB)

Compatible Memory Modules: (Other brands are possible)
- Corsair
- Crucial Technology
- Kingston Technology
- OCZ Technology

HFU

Answers: Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread ( 2CPU.com Discussion Forums Cases, Power and Modifications )
Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by brainiac88
does anyone make a low-profile gpu waterblock that DOES NOT prevent the use of the adjacent slot?
You can get Koolance CHC-A09 from Directron for $34.99.

Koolance CHC-A09 Dimensions:
WxHxD: 1.97" x 0.43" x 1.97" (5cm x 1.1cm x 5cm)

HFU

HFU

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by james_bzx8
Has cooling of the processors, thermal interface, degraded?

Is the cooling of the i875(MCH- Northbridge) still adequate?

Both of these item would end up locking up the machine if not appropriate
Thanks for your response, James.

I don't know if the thermal interface has degraded: the heatsinks and fans are same as before, however I did use to have under fan blowing near and around my ram/northbridge zone. However that was during the summer, and the weather has is now much cooler so I assume that the lack of fan in the area will balance out.

I realize now that the lockup/reboot happens even when there isn't a 100% load. It can be just when I'm doing several low-load tasks (burning cd movie watching, browsing the web, and chatting at the same time).

So I'm question the integrity of the procs or their ability to be reliable at even a 2.4 speed which currently still randomly locks up.

elee

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Has cooling of the processors, thermal interface, degraded?

Is the cooling of the i875(MCH- Northbridge) still adequate?

Both of these item would end up locking up the machine if not appropriate

james_bzx8

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Hey all,

I've been reading this thread since over a year ago when the 1.6 LVs were the buzz.

I'm back now looking for get some advice from someone that can shed some light on my issue.

I'm on a NCCH-DL with a pair of 1.6 LVs during the rush. U-Wired to 1.6v. Right now I can't get them to be stable at 2.8 with a 200FSB.

I would run four instances of prime for serveral hours but suddently the computer would lock up and reboot. Prime doesn't even get a chance to generate errors: it just locks up and reboots.

The heat is reasonable: 53-55ish under load while priming. So I don't think it's a heat issue.

I'm runing a Seasonic 500w PS.

When I look at the CPU Usage under Task Manager while Priming it never stays at 100%: one logical cpu is always fluctuating whereas the other 3 are constantly on the roof. What's this due to and could this be the source?

Do you guys think it's just the limitation of the procs? It seems odd I can't even get 2.8 stable though.

Thanks in advance guys.

elee

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Hi !
For this board,have any one tested this stepping ?
In Portugal i only have this stepping for the Xeon 3Ghz/800/2M Cache
and they are SL8P6.

Tanks !

SDumas

SDumas

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilson
I've got ncch-dl with two 3ghz xeons and 2G ram it constantly resets itself under load not even heavy load. at first I thought overheating but clearing the congealed dust from the heatsink brought the temp down to 50C so I thought PSU the voltages from the BIOS fluctuate is this normal?
vcore A & B - 1.35 to 1.36
+3.3 is 3.21 varies .02
+12v is 11.55 varies .06
+1.5 is 1.55 varies .03
+2.5 is 2.54 varies .02
+5vcc is 4.94 varies .08
+5vsb is 4.89 varies .08
vbat is 3.18 varies .02

is this normal or is this the likely cause?

all help welcome
wilson
I would say it depends on your power supply. I have only used brand name for dual cpu's, high power video, raid(4+ drivers), etc.
It could also be heat(I always use overkill for HSF's).

Hagrid9999

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kohlrabi_Croce
can I put a new set of xeon's with Extended Memory 64 Technology
on the ncch-dl?

such as: http://tinyurl.com/eqsl2

Somehow I doubt it, but it also seems this is the only kind available now.

I already searched this thread to find out, but didn't see anything
conclusive.

Thanks,

Tracy
Yes you can run a 64bit OS if you have EM64T processors like the Nocona or Irwindale. NCCH-DL supports both with a recent BIOS update.

audioaficionado

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

I've got ncch-dl with two 3ghz xeons and 2G ram it constantly resets itself under load not even heavy load. at first I thought overheating but clearing the congealed dust from the heatsink brought the temp down to 50C so I thought PSU the voltages from the BIOS fluctuate is this normal?
vcore A & B - 1.35 to 1.36
+3.3 is 3.21 varies .02
+12v is 11.55 varies .06
+1.5 is 1.55 varies .03
+2.5 is 2.54 varies .02
+5vcc is 4.94 varies .08
+5vsb is 4.89 varies .08
vbat is 3.18 varies .02

is this normal or is this the likely cause?

all help welcome
wilson

wilson

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

can I put a new set of xeon's with Extended Memory 64 Technology
on the ncch-dl?

such as: http://tinyurl.com/eqsl2

Somehow I doubt it, but it also seems this is the only kind available now.

I already searched this thread to find out, but didn't see anything
conclusive.

Thanks,

Tracy

kohlrabi_Croce

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Quote:
Originally Posted by braindigitalis
make sure your processors match exactly and come from the same batch - the NCCH-DL seems picky about this more so than other dual boards.
Oh, that's really a bummer. I had 2 2.4ghz cpu's on mine, and one died,
so now I guess I have to buy a whole new set.

I'm bummed.

kohlrabi_Croce

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I inquired Asus Support for a more recent driver for the NCCH-DL that permits me to configure a 5.1 speaker setup. They told me they don't have one.
Has anyone been successfull with this setup?

A7V

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A7V
Well, after exchanging several emails with Asus their last words were:
- Most problably the board is bad (no sh!t!)
- take it to your supplier.

I bought it on eBay and to minimize time and costs I would prefer to deal directly with Asus.
Has anyone asked for a RMA directly to Asus without proof of purchase (invoice) ?
They say their server model motherboards have 3 years warranty with advanced exchange but I don't know if the NCCH-DL is considered a workstation or a server model.
I sent an RMA to Asus in Holland on Tuesday and received a new mobo on Wednesday.
The machine was running busy for around 12 hours with no problems

A7V

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Plasmafusion
Hello,


I've dropped 4x1GB Corsair RAM Modules into the NCCH-DL and at bootup the BIOS reports only ~3.25GB. Than in Windows 2003 x64 Editon SP1 it also shows just ~3.25GB RAM.

So this is normal and somebody has "stolen" 750MB of RAM or is it just a hardware limitation of the NCCH-DL board ?

That's pretty much how it goes with this chipset. You'll never get the full 4GB no matter what the OS.

audioaficionado

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Hello,


I've dropped 4x1GB Corsair RAM Modules into the NCCH-DL and at bootup the BIOS reports only ~3.25GB. Than in Windows 2003 x64 Editon SP1 it also shows just ~3.25GB RAM.

So this is normal and somebody has "stolen" 750MB of RAM or is it just a hardware limitation of the NCCH-DL board ?


Plasmafusion

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

make sure your processors match exactly and come from the same batch - the NCCH-DL seems picky about this more so than other dual boards.

braindigitalis

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

There as been many reports of flaky NCCH-DL since December-05 / January-06!

What happened with ASUS's production?

james_bzx8

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Well, after exchanging several emails with Asus their last words were:
- Most problably the board is bad (no sh!t!)
- take it to your supplier.

I bought it on eBay and to minimize time and costs I would prefer to deal directly with Asus.
Has anyone asked for a RMA directly to Asus without proof of purchase (invoice) ?
They say their server model motherboards have 3 years warranty with advanced exchange but I don't know if the NCCH-DL is considered a workstation or a server model.

A7V

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A7V
I read a lot, but not all 149 pages of this thread

I relaxed the memory timings and was able to run memtest for 2:30 hours until I stopped it.
The problem was memory timings, nevertheless I installed a fan on the northbridge heatsink ;-)
Ok, most probably the problem wasn't in the memories.
Now (I didn't do anything diferent) 95% of the times I get the speech report: "system cpu failed test"
This cpu is new...

I opened an Online Technical Service @Asus, let's see what they say.

A7V

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I have tried all different combinations of the jumpers, when I set it to 200 it locks up completely.

I am wondering if the power supply is not giving enough power to the procs. I will test the setup with a server power supply Ihave.

mytime34

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Hello all,

I have an NCH-DL mobo with 2ea 2.8/2mb/800 procs that show up correctly upon post, but it says 100x14 for the speed and windows is showing 1.4mhz procs.

I have set all the jumpers in different places, changed ram, removed all parts and tested barebones with one proc. Do you guys think the mobo needs to be RMA'd? I would like to get this setup working

mytime34

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mytime34
Hello all,

I have an NCH-DL mobo with 2ea 2.8/2mb/800 procs that show up correctly upon post, but it says 100x14 for the speed and windows is showing 1.4mhz procs.

I have set all the jumpers in different places, changed ram, removed all parts and tested barebones with one proc. Do you guys think the mobo needs to be RMA'd? I would like to get this setup working
Have you tried the jumpers in the 'auto detect' position?

braindigitalis

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To this day my NCCH-DL randomly reboots, it can be weeks or minutes between occurances, under full load or none, and totally regardless of temperature and whether the cpu's are being overclocked or not.

2*2.4LV's 2GB Kingston cheapo RAM (at slow timings), various disk incarnations, and a 480W Tagan PSU.

I've given up hope of solving the problem and really cant be bothered throwing money at it - my best guess is it's either memory or the motherboard itself.

I've pretty much lost track of what's currently king of the hill, if I catch up I may consider a move - but it'll likely be expensive.

BennyBoy

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i see.

i also have memory that is rated 2-2-2-5 but with the ncch-dl i couldn't get any better than 2-3-2-5 which was borderline as well.

i did some benches and i couldn't find any difference anyway...

maorsela

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Quote:
Originally Posted by james_bzx8
@A7V

Would it be too much for you to read 8 post up (#4738) about one possible solution to your problem ;-)
I read a lot, but not all 149 pages of this thread

I relaxed the memory timings and was able to run memtest for 2:30 hours until I stopped it.
The problem was memory timings, nevertheless I installed a fan on the northbridge heatsink ;-)

Thanks for all the replys.

A7V

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i hope you didn't throw away too much money on this piece of crap setup...

anyway, when i bought mine 2yrs ago i had random reboots and memory scan failed all the time.

i replaced the memory 3 times to no avail.

it turned out the mobo was bad so i had it RMA'd to asus.

been running smooth ever since.

you can try to relax timing and maybe also underclock and see if it helps. but it does sound to me like a bad mobo.

maorsela

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@A7V

Would it be too much for you to read 8 post up (#4738) about one possible solution to your problem ;-)

Enjoy!

james_bzx8

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Hi,

I bought an NCCH-DL on eBay and I'm getting hangs all over.
I managed to install Windows XP but it's not stable.
Ubuntu Live CD hangs too.
Memtest can either run 30 minutes fine until I stop it or hang just past 2 mins.
When idle Speedfan reports 40

A7V

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

the weirdest thing...

i played with x64 and was able to o/c like in XP 32bit, but in x64 i have no problems leaving PAT on and aggressive timing.

right now i'm solid at 2-3-3-7, dram01, PAT enabled, 228.20mhz fsb.

so my 3ghz chips run at 3423mhz now, not too shabby.

once i go up to 229 and 230+, i start to get crashing, cinebench 9.5 will run but 3dmark 06 will cause a reboot...

maorsela

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does anyone have test this cpu's SL8SV/SL8P6 on a ncch-dl, the page only refer to other 2, the main diference is the Core Stepping, asus page only refers Core Stepping N0, does the board will boot with the cpu's Core Stepping R0.

sorry, but my inglish is terrible

coveiro

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

went back to bios 1003 to have clockgen work again.

i'm able to oc the fsb upto 228 rock solid.

the only way i could achieve that was by disabling pat.

running some benches show neglegeable difference with and w/o pat.

i've added a chipset waterblock to my cooling system, mem voltage is @ 2.8 and the NB voltage is v1.6 .

currently i'm playing with win2k3 enterprise x64.

maorsela

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Quote:
Originally posted by P4Northwood
I have the same build as well.. Server 2003 64bit 1218..

I have problems.. I am using thr dh800..


It's time u join our team as there's still a barrier at FSB ~230-235 on the NCCH-DL nobody seems to have passed afaik.

Plasmafusion

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Quote:
Originally posted by Plasmafusion
Here one (1) Nocona CPU works fine with VID Pin Mods in either Socket0 or Socket1. It depends on the base VID of each Nocona CPU.

Maybe this mystery will be sloved in the next minutes
With the big help of HFU the VID Pin problem turned into proved knowledge:

I have two different D-0 Noconas, one with default VID 1.2875v and the other one with default 1.300v.

As I like to do a 1.4500v mod the Pin bridges are different.

The 1.2875-CPU needes to be u-wired [C3-D3 | D3-E3 | E3-F3] while the 1.300-CPU needs [C3-D3 | E3-F3].

The result are 1.43v shown in the BIOS for *both* CPUs. Yeah!

Plasmafusion

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Quote:
Originally posted by Plasmafusion
Hey P4Northwood,

no Win64 problems at all.
However I run Windows 2003 64-Bit (1218)
and not XP.
Now with the new ATI drivers even gaming works in Win64.
The only problem are missing drivers for my B2C2 HDTV decoder but *everything* else rockz.
I have the same build as well.. Enterprise Server 2003 64bit 1218..

I have problems.. I am using thr dh800..

P4Northwood

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Quote:
Originally posted by P4Northwood
Hey Plasma, The NCCH-DL has no problems installing XP64 with Nacona's? You were able to complete the install?
Hey P4Northwood,

no Win64 problems at all.
However I run Windows 2003 64-Bit (1218)
and not XP.
Now with the new ATI drivers even gaming works in Win64.
The only problem are missing drivers for my B2C2 HDTV decoder but *everything* else rockz.

Plasmafusion

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Here one (1) Nocona CPU works fine with VID Pin Mods in either Socket0 or Socket1. It depends on the base VID of each Nocona CPU.

Maybe this mystery will be sloved in the next minutes

Plasmafusion

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Plasmafusion
Here one (1) Nocona CPU works fine with VID Pin Mods in either Socket0 or Socket1. It depends on the base VID of each Nocona CPU.

Maybe this mystery will be sloved in the next minutes
Hey Plasma, The NCCH-DL has no problems installing XP64 with Nacona's? You were able to complete the install?

P4Northwood

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Maybe the cpu0 voltage bug is why asus have told us that the cpu voltage can not be changed by the bios with rev1.02 of the board and we need to wait until 1.03 for the cpu0 vcore problem to be solved, I don't know of a single person who has modified the cpu0 vcore successfully.

Brad

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Quote:
Originally posted by Brad
I don't know of a single person who has modified the cpu0 vcore successfully.

Well, I have successfully VID modded my 533mhz Xeons on a 1.02 NCCH-DL. I'll try the Noconas as soon as I have them (2weeks)

Mooseifert

Mooseifert

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Well, I'm off on holiday for 2 weeks, but quickly managed to vmod a pair of 2.8GHz Prestonia's and both sockets vmodded successfully.

So to recap:

4x 3.4GHz Nocona - Socket 0 won't vmod
2x 2.8GHz Nocona - Socket 0 won't vmod
2x 2.8GHz Prestonia - both sockets vmod ok

Looks like its a Nocona problem, I hope you guys manage to find it out in the next 2 weeks I'm sure you will, there's a lot of smart guys on this forum.

lizard

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Quote:
Originally posted by Plasmafusion
Found the problem with my VID Pin setting.
Unbeliveable.

Recall:

Both sockets where Pinned C3-D3 E3-F3 to give 1.4500v. But CPU0 had only 1.36v while CPU1 got 1.43v. So CPU0 was extremely underpowered.

Today I made Single CPU tests (in Socket0 of course) without touching the VID Pinns.

CPU0 alone still was 1.35v.
CPU1 alone now has 1.42v (!) in Socket0

So the whole problem is with CPU0 which seems to have a build-in over-volt protection or something. Maybe a CPU hardware bug ?

Never saw something like that. CPU1 takes whatever I set the VID-Pin while CPU0 refuses the VID Pin setting and only takes +0.03v more from default 1.33v.
Plasmafusion , I had exactly the same problem with all three pairs of Nocona's I've tested, to recap that's two separate pairs of 3.4s and a pair of 2.8 ES. With all six CPUs regardless what order I put them in Socket 0 never overvolts.

I'm glad somebody else has experienced the same issue, I just thought I had a faulty board or something... but it sounds like there is a design fault.

lizard

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Very interesting, never head of this VID range.
Is there a tool or so to detect the basic VID of each CPU ?

Plasmafusion

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Basically, what i wanna know is:

Do all 90nm Xeons have precisely the same VID of 1.3000V? I thought that prescotts have VID's between 1.225-1.4V depending on what voltage gets them stable @ the intel lab.

for example:

A really really good 90nm CPU will have 1.225V @ 3.2ghz cos it already works stable at that VID

A worse 90nm CPU will have 1.350V at the same frequency.

I assumed that this was the sole reason for having to get mainboards with 2 VRMs

Mooseifert

Quote:
Originally posted by Plasmafusion
@Mooseifert

http://www.ctechnet.com/hardware/Asu..._uwire_mod.htm

Or do you mean something different ?
Both CPUs are SL7DV.

Mooseifert

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@Mooseifert

http://www.ctechnet.com/hardware/Asu..._uwire_mod.htm

Or do you mean something different ?
Both CPUs are SL7DV.

Plasmafusion

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Tweak.dk
P4Northwood Any news about a BIOS for the Iwill DH800 so that IBM ServeRAID controllers could work???

They can boot with ASUS NCCH-DL.

It seems like PCI-X performance is low on both DH800 and NCCH-DL. I can only use about 43% of the performance 64bit 66MHz should give (532MB/s).

With 4 disks in RAID 0 performance max is around 220MB/s, and with 8 disks it's around 228MB/s. On a nother real server board, the same controller and disks max out around 460MB/s.
Well the bottle neck for both NCCH-DL and DH800 is the Intel Hub Link which connects the SB with the NB and is limited by 266 MB/s. Therefore the most benchmarking tools will be limited by this value.

Regards, mad1337

mad1337

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Found the problem with my VID Pin setting.
Unbeliveable.

Recall:

Both sockets where Pinned C3-D3 E3-F3 to give 1.4500v. But CPU0 had only 1.36v while CPU1 got 1.43v. So CPU0 was extremely underpowered.

Today I made Single CPU tests (in Socket0 of course) without touching the VID Pinns.

CPU0 alone still was 1.35v.
CPU1 alone now has 1.42v (!) in Socket0

So the whole problem is with CPU0 which seems to have a build-in over-volt protection or something. Maybe a CPU hardware bug ?

Never saw something like that. CPU1 takes whatever I set the VID-Pin while CPU0 refuses the VID Pin setting and only takes +0.03v more from default 1.33v.

Plasmafusion

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

How do you find out the actual VID of your CPUs. I'm hoping that my brand new pair of 3.4ghz noconas will have the same vid on both. They should be there in a week.

Shame that I haven't got my PC-Dl anymore. I really wanted to know what happens with noconas on it. I bet that if they have exactly the same VID they'll work just fine.

Mooseifert



Quote:
Originally posted by Plasmafusion
Found the problem with my VID Pin setting.
Unbeliveable.

Recall:

Both sockets where Pinned C3-D3 E3-F3 to give 1.4500v. But CPU0 had only 1.36v while CPU1 got 1.43v. So CPU0 was extremely underpowered.

Today I made Single CPU tests (in Socket0 of course) without touching the VID Pinns.

CPU0 alone still was 1.35v.
CPU1 alone now has 1.42v (!) in Socket0

So the whole problem is with CPU0 which seems to have a build-in over-volt protection or something. Maybe a CPU hardware bug ?

Never saw something like that. CPU1 takes whatever I set the VID-Pin while CPU0 refuses the VID Pin setting and only takes +0.03v more from default 1.33v.

Mooseifert

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

This is with Single Nocona at 1.35v, 2.5-7-3-3, 2.96v
Very stable up to FSB260, no problems. SuperPi 35
FSB266 is not stable even with 1.43v (1.450 VID).


Plasmafusion

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Tweak.dk
Who is talking about ONE scsi harddisk?

It's 4 and 8 of them in RAID 0 on a dual channel Ultra320 controller with a 64bit 600MHz processor for XOR and 128MB cache.
Well you were talking about 480MB/s on another board, i assumed you were testing with 4 disks both times.
4 disks would need 120MB/s each to achieve 480MB/s in RAID0.

L.

Lestat

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Lestat
How are you testing that exactly? I don't know of any SCSI disks that can deliver 120MB/s, even if it's STR from the beginning of the disk. The closest is the new 300GB 10k rpm drive that gives you around 90MB/s at the beginning of the disk. (Then of course seek performance isn't that hot).

L.
Who is talking about ONE scsi harddisk?

It's 4 and 8 of them in RAID 0 on a dual channel Ultra320 controller with a 64bit 600MHz processor for XOR and 128MB cache.

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Tweak.dk
P4Northwood Any news about a BIOS for the Iwill DH800 so that IBM ServeRAID controllers could work???

They can boot with ASUS NCCH-DL.

It seems like PCI-X performance is low on both DH800 and NCCH-DL. I can only use about 43% of the performance 64bit 66MHz should give (532MB/s).

With 4 disks in RAID 0 performance max is around 220MB/s, and with 8 disks it's around 228MB/s. On a nother real server board, the same controller and disks max out around 460MB/s.
How are you testing that exactly? I don't know of any SCSI disks that can deliver 120MB/s, even if it's STR from the beginning of the disk. The closest is the new 300GB 10k rpm drive that gives you around 90MB/s at the beginning of the disk. (Then of course seek performance isn't that hot).

L.

Lestat

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by P4Northwood
LOL!! I assumed since Sir Gallatin said you had problems with your IBM raid controllers, he meant with XP64.. My mistake..
P4Northwood Any news about a BIOS for the Iwill DH800 so that IBM ServeRAID controllers could work???

They can boot with ASUS NCCH-DL.

It seems like PCI-X performance is low on both DH800 and NCCH-DL. I can only use about 43% of the performance 64bit 66MHz should give (532MB/s).

With 4 disks in RAID 0 performance max is around 220MB/s, and with 8 disks it's around 228MB/s. On a nother real server board, the same controller and disks max out around 460MB/s.

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by fieldski
@Tweak.dk

As far as the low SiSoft Sandra score and 166FSB operation, try to set your memory timings just like you would say a 133 FSB CPU. (say 2-5-2-2). This is unconfirmed but DDR333 is 1:1 operation on a 166 (667), I'm sure P4Northwood will vouch for this one.

Unfortunatally there is no bios support for 166-199, this is something that ASUS and Intel have put together.

Can you boot your cpu's in "Auto" jumper feature? What does the bios show?

fieldski
I have tried 166MHz FSB a lot of times. On boot and in BIOS the screen says DDR333 but both Everest, SiSoft Sandra and Clockgen says DDR266 (133MHz).



If I boot at 166x17 and use clockgen up to 224x17 the memory score in Everest shanges a bit (less than 100) and not more than 3960MB/s. In SiSoft Sandra 2004 the score is the same at 166 og 224, and still very low.

So right now i'm at 133mhz by jumper and 164mhz in BIOS. This gives me almost 4000MB/s with SiSoft Sandra 2004 and 4200MB/s with Everest.

You realy need a processor with a low X factor to use the 200MHz FSB on NCCH-DL because 166MHz stinks and there is the limit of 165MHz with 133MHz FSB processors in BIOS!!!

23x200 = 4600MHz is no go, even with my new 3.06GHz processors. So boot with 200 and x factor at 16 is not working.

Thay can almost do 3.7GHz in PCMark04 at 1.500v and BOX coolers just laying on top of the processors (not mounted). And 224x17 with Clockgen is 3810MHz.


Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by P4Northwood
Hey Pokipoki, looking at your 2nd to last post, I notice there is no setting for DDR533.. Which means, posting at 266FSB is not possible.. Ever!! ???

Or is that something that can be written in if they chose to? Nice work by the way, as usual..

I believe we have to give ASUS more time. Let's try to keep the faith there, I hope it's at the right place. Make us proud ASUS! as more people choose your board everyday. From the BIOS strings, I'm sure they're busy working on the new E-0 features for the release, touch-up a few things maybe the language etc

Let me know if anyone comes across those underground BIOS sites or dudes, it's our only hope of getting those NDA stuff, maybe China/Russian sites, who knows!!. This is what we need, BIOS modders are only as good as the tools they have, maybe only half as good

ASUS BIOS : BIOS editor that can handle Award v6 encryption/compression (don't even know the name, huh?)

DH800 BIOS : AMIBCP8 & mmtools (AMI BIOS)


I believe if we have some better tools, we could try to fix things to move our way. It may be better for all in the end

pokipoki

pokipoki

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Should it be possible to se 166-200MHz FSB in BIOS with the Insert key trick?

If i set 166mhz by jumper on the motherboard, holds down the insert key and boots up, it shows 166MHz just as well if I dont hold down the Insert key. And the result in BIOS is the same.

200-233MHz FSB, and no mater what i set, it's still 166MHz in boot and in Windows.

And memory is 1:1 and gives a lower score in SiSoft Sandra 2004.

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

@Tweak.dk

As far as the low SiSoft Sandra score and 166FSB operation, try to set your memory timings just like you would say a 133 FSB CPU. (say 2-5-2-2). This is unconfirmed but DDR333 is 1:1 operation on a 166 (667), I'm sure P4Northwood will vouch for this one.

Unfortunatally there is no bios support for 166-199, this is something that ASUS and Intel have put together.

Can you boot your cpu's in "Auto" jumper feature? What does the bios show?

fieldski

fieldski

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Sir Gallatin
I have noticed the problem with PCmark04 aswell on the DH800. I posted it here on this forum but everybody told me I was crazy. The only real explanation would be that either PCmark04 is a fake benchmark that just reads the BIOS settings and calculates a score from that or that it somehow resets the clockgen to the BIOS settings (probably not possible).

If you use other benchmark you will get better results with increasing fsb won't you ?

Try SuperPI, PiFast and Cinebench
It's the same in SiSoft Sandra - no improvement.

SuperPi and PiFast results are getting better using Clockgen.

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Doe to how Lian Li V1100 is made, many have problems get a good air flow tru that case.

Yuppe

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Hey Pokipoki, looking at your 2nd to last post, I notice there is no setting for DDR533.. Which means, posting at 266FSB is not possible.. Ever!! ???

Or is that something that can be written in if they chose to? Nice work by the way, as usual..


P4Northwood

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Hello all !

I'm joining your thread because I've just ordered a NCCH-DL today (so now I can't think anymore of an alternate opteron way )
So, first, let me thank you all for the valuable information I've found on this board

I'm trying to build a silent & powerfull () workstation for 3d design

so here are the parts I plan to get for now :


pastor

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

@NCCH-DL / PC-DL owners

Please confirm for me if the following/any part resembles the options of the BIOS messages you see in NCCH-DL or PC-DL?

EDIT : Sorry, I messed up the layout

CPU Brand Name : .Warning! CPU has been changed..Please re-enter CPU
settings in the CMOS setup and remember to save before quit!.
Hyper-Threading Technology CPU Detected (Hyper-Threading Technology ..Enabled.)..Disabled
Promise Controller.Enable/Disable Promise Controller..Operating Mode.Choose Promise Controller Operating Mode..RAID.IDE

Advanced BIOS Features.Advanced Chipset Features.PnP/PCI Configurations.Power Management Setup .Integrated Peripherals.Load Fail-Safe Defaults.Load Optimized
Defaults. . . . . .
Standard CMOS Features.Supervisor Password.User Password.Save & Exit Setup.Exit Without Saving.Virus
Protection, Boot Sequence....AT clock, DRAM timings....Sleep timer, Suspend timer....IRQ Settings, Latency Timers....Onboard IO, IRQ, DMA Assignment

Boot Sequence.Select Boot Device Priority.Onboard LAN Boot ROM .Decide whether to invoke the boot
ROM of the onboard LAN chip.

CPU L1 & L2 Cache.CPU L3 Cache.Disable/Enable CPU L3 Cache..Hyper-Threading
Technology."Enabled" for Windows XP and Linux 2.4.x(OS optimized for Hyper-Threading Technology)and
"Disable" for other OS(OS not optimized for Hyper-Threading Technology) select "enabled" APIC mode is
auto enable select "disabled" APIC mode is selectable


Quick Power On Self Test.Allows the system to skip certain tests while booting. This will decrease the time
needed to boot the system .

APIC Mode.MPS Version Control For OS .1.1.1.4.Auto Detect PCI Clk.
Spread Spectrum.Disabled.+/- 0.1%.+/- 0.2%.+/- 0.3%.+/- 0.4%.+/- 0.5%.+/- 0.6%.+/- 0.7%.+/- 0.8%.+/-
0.9%.+/- 1.0%.
CPU Clock.CPU Clock Ratio.Current System Temp.: .Current CPU1 Temperature: .Current CPU2
Temperature: .Current CPUFAN1 Speed: .Current CPUFAN2 Speed: .Current CPUFAN3 Speed: .Current
CPUFAN4 Speed: .Current CPUFAN5 Speed: .Current CPUFAN7 Speed:


VcoreA: .VcoreB: .Vin0 : .Vin1 : .Vin2 : .Vin3 : .5VCC : .5VSB : .VBAT : .Smart Fan Control.Press enter to
select Enable/Disable Samrt Fan..Smart Fan1 Temperature.Disabled .30.C/ 86.F.35.C/ 95.F.40.C/
104.F.Fan1 Tolerance Value.Smart Fan2 Temperature.Disabled .30.C/ 86.F.35.C/ 95.F.40.C/104.F.Fan2
Tolerance Value.Smart Fan3 Temperature.Disabled .30.C/ 86.F.35.C/ 95.F.40.C/104.F.Fan3 Tolerance
Value

DRAM Timing Selectable.Manual.By SPD.CAS Latency Time.2 .2.5 .3 .Auto.Active to
Precharge Delay.8 .7 .6 .5 .Auto.DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay.4 .3 .2 .0 .Auto.DRAM RAS#
Precharge.4 .3 .2 .0 .Auto.Memory Frequency For.DDR266.DDR333.

DDR320DDR400. . . .Auto .

System BIOS Cacheable.Video BIOS Cacheable.AGP Aperture Size (MB).4 .8 .16 .32 .64 .128.256.Init
Display First.PCI VGA Card.AGP Slot .CSA LAN (Giga-LAN).DRAM Data Integrity Mode.Non-ECC .ECC
.Enabled ECC check for memory test if the system DRAM contains ECC support..

Delay Prior to Thermal. 4 Min . 8 Min .16 Min .32 Min .Auto .Enabled.Onboard 1394 Chip

DRAM Frequency.Set DRAM Frequency..Memory Timing Slectable. to select DRAM
configuration.[By SPD] .is recommended.[Manual] allows you to set each configuration on your own..Set the
latency between the DRAM command and the time the data actually becomes available..Controls the
number of DRAM clocks used for DRAM parameters..Controls the latency between the DRAM active
command and the R/W command.Controls the idle clocks after issuing a precharge command to the
DRAM..Chipset.Press [Enter] to select clock generator spread spectrum..Press [Enter] to enable or disable
BIOS cacheable..

Press [Enter] to enable or disable It can improve the display speed by caching the display data..This item will
allow to select the maximum PCI bus speed to be programmed. Default will always be set to AUTO where
bus speed will be decided based on the capabilities of the device on that bus..

Select which graphics controller to use as the primary boot device..Size of the AGP aperture..Set CPU
frequency..Sets the ratio between CPU core clock and the FSB frequency..Reserve an address for ISA
expansion cards..

Enable/Disable Promise 20319 RAID Controller..Onboard Device setup menu..Onboard AC97
Audio.Enable/Disable Onboard AC97 AUDIO
..Set Game Port address..Set Midi Port address..Set Midi
Port IRQ..Enable/Disable Onboard CSA LAN..Enable/Disable Onboard TI1394

Case Open Warning.System Temperature.CPU1 Temperature.CPU2 Temperature.CPU Fan1
speed.CPU Fan2 speed.Rear Fan1 speed.Rear Fan2 speed.Front Fan1 speed.Front Fan2 speed.+1.5V
Voltage.+2.5V Voltage.+3.3V Voltage.+5VCC Voltage.+5VSB Voltage.+12V Voltage. VBAT Voltage.CPU
VCORE A (V).CPU VCORE B (V)


.Display Hardware status..Detect case open status,[Enable] will clear case open status..System will
shutdown when motherboard too high..Automatically adjusts CPU fan speeds according to system
temperature..Set smart FAN speed detect range..Automatically adjusts CPU fan speeds according to system
temperature..

Set smart FAN speed detect range..Automatically adjusts CPU fan speeds according to system
temperature..Set smart FAN speed detect range..CPU1 Target Temperature.CPU2 Target
Temperature.System Target Temperature. Boot .Boot Device Priority.Disable/Enable CPU L1&L2 cache..

Chipset Vcore Voltage .+1.5V .+1.6V .+1.7V .+1.8V .Press [ENTER] to adjust Chipset Vcore
Vlotage. .DRAM Vcore Voltage .Null .+2.8V .+2.7V .+2.6V .Press [ENTER] to adjust DRAM Vcore Vlotage.
.S.M.A.R.T Status.CPU Configuration.Press Enter to Set.Memory Configuration.Press Enter to
Set.Frequency/Voltage Control.Change CPU's Clock & Voltage.


CPU
VID.0.8375.0.8375.0.8500.0.8625.0.8750.0.8875.0.9000.0.9125.0.9250.0.9375.0.9500.0.9625.0.9750.0.98
75.1.0000.1.0125.1.0250.1.0375.1.0500.1.0625.1.0750.1.0875.1.1000.1.1125.1.1250.1.1375.1.1500.1.162
5.1.1750.1.1875.1.2000.1.2125.1.2250.1.2375.1.2500.1.2625.1.2750.1.2875.1.3000.1.3125.1.3250.1.3375.
1.3500.1.3625.1.3750.1.3875.1.4000.1.4125.1.4250.1.4375.1.4500.1.4625.1.4750.1.4875.1.5000.1.5125.1.
5250.1.5375.1.5500.1.5625.1.5750.1.5875.1.6000.1.6000.CPU Feature.Thermal Management.Thermal
Monitor 1.Thermal Monitor 2.Thermal Monitor 1 (On-die throtting)..Thermal Monitor 2 (Ratio & VID
transition).TM2 Bus Ratio.TM2 Bus VID.Represents the frequency (bus ratio)of the throttled performance
statethat will be initiated when the on-diesensor gose from not hot to hot.Represents the voltageof the
throttled performance statethat will be initiated when the on-diesensor gose from not hot to hot


pokipoki

pokipoki

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

@Tweak.dk

I know 2.75v sucks, I have successfully done the VDimm mod if you'de like to get a few extra volts to the memory

http://treadlayers.com/Forums/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32

fieldski

fieldski

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

I have noticed the problem with PCmark04 aswell on the DH800. I posted it here on this forum but everybody told me I was crazy. The only real explanation would be that either PCmark04 is a fake benchmark that just reads the BIOS settings and calculates a score from that or that it somehow resets the clockgen to the BIOS settings (probably not possible).

If you use other benchmark you will get better results with increasing fsb won't you ?

Try SuperPI, PiFast and Cinebench

Sir Gallatin

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

bigtoe could probably do that for you.
see

Sir Gallatin

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

I have some 3.2ghz 1mb 800mhz Noconas on Ebay at the moment. it says "delivery only within Germany" but I'll be happy to send them anywhere if you ask first"

Also I might be able to organize more Noconas up to 3.4ghz. Lemme know if you like some.

Klaus

Mooseifert

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

1. # I can confirm that the NCCH-DL doe's support 3V PCI-X cards.

2. # CPU-Z is having trouble reading processor and DDR RAM speed when using Clockgen CG-ICS952607. Both Intel Processor Frequency ID Utility and PCMark04 reads the right value. But you gain no extra score in PCMark04 at all.

3. # When using 166MHz FSB with a 133MHz FSB processor, options in BIOS 1003 is 200-250MHz but no mater what you set, it's still 166MHz.

4. # DDR RAM dividers at 166MHz FSB is 4:3 and 1:1. With my setup 1:1 gives 3400MB/s with SiSoft Sandra.

5. # With 165MHz set in BIOS and 4:5 the SiSoft Sandra score with same timings is 3800MB/s. AGP/PCI is locked all the way (66/33MHz).

6. # With NCCH-DL my 1.525v Xeons is set to 1.500v by default.

7. # 2.8v on DDR RAM is only 2.75v.

8. # Primary and Secondary IDE can not be disabled in BIOS.

My NCCH-DL is v1.02 with BIOS 1003.

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by P4Northwood
Hey Pokipoki! Tell me, what the E-0 stepping has, that the D-0 does not?
Newer E-0 will support the following :

Execution Disable Bit (stop certain viruses)
Enhanced Halt State (CIE)
Thermal Monitor 2 (only 3.6GHz model is officially supported)


Also, if the "lowest-multiplier"/PRB-bit option ever becomes available in the BIOS, only 3.4GHz & 3.6GHz can make use of it (D-0 & E-0 included) because only these two models have Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology, I could be wrong about this though.

I believe the E-0 runs cooler as well We should expect new BIOSes from major Nocona board manufaturers once E-0 is released officially, this is to support those new E-0 features.

EDIT : OFF-TOPIC : BIOS MODDING

I have used some BIOS utilities here to mod my Abit IC7 (P4 board) BIOS, this allows some hidden options

CPU multiplier (default value was 8 - this can't be changed)
Spread Spectrum
CPU Thermal Monitoring 1, including FSB monitoring (for Prescott E-0 I think)
CPU L1 & L2 Cache [Enable] [Disable]
IDE HDD Block Mode
Force Update ESCD
ACPI Power Management
Keyboard Typematic Speed etc etc


I modded 3 bios for Abit IC7, IC7-G & IC7-Max3 All worked perfectly although I need to reinstall WinXP after flashing. There were too much options I disabled before flashing and I forgot which options to set in BIOS again with the new BIOS, hence WinXP wouldn't load.

To use these utilities it's best to boot to DOS or use emulator, don't use command.com or cmd in Windows XP etc.

Modbin6 1.00.38 - to enable hidden features/change values on the BIOS menu, you will see a Bill of Materials (B.O.M) style menu

Cbrom/Cbrom6 - used to extract modules from same type BIOS and append into target BIOS.

Biosview - allows viewing of BIOS .bin file (read-only), useful after modding, used to verify mods before flashing


ASUS BIOS are a bit more tricky, couldn't do it. I'd be really grateful if someone can show me the way The real scoop will be extracting modules from other bioses and append to your board's bios. Would appreciate the fine skills of a bios programmer here, please PM/email me, all info will be kept confidential. Thank you

P.S It is possible to change default value of the Xeon multiplier this way (in BIOS), although it might not solve the max. multi problem. I can't view/edit ASUS BIOS properly, we need the tools .. For those who like a challenge at BIOS modding, here's a guide.

Regards,
pokipoki

pokipoki

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Hey Pokipoki! Tell me, what the E-0 stepping has, that the D-0 does not?

P4Northwood

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Heatsink on VRM01 : My vendor from Singapore replied that the heatsink will be restored in future board revisions, although not sure when. Current board versions with only 1 VRM heatsink

Board Rev. 1.02
PCB Sub-Rev. A01
Produced September 2004 or earlier
Packed in smaller box (similar to PC-DL)

The hunt is ON for E-0 Noconas. Only the 3.6GHz E-0 have been spotted in Japan, pack date October 2nd, 2004. Seems that the Japanese always get the new stuff. Anyone from Japan here?

I would assume any Noconas packed in October will be E-0, though we can only confirm with new stocks. Maybe someone who have access to retail Noconas (boxed) can confirm? This is possible with retailers who have high CPU sales/turnover. Official E-0 release date is October 29th, 2004

2.8GHz E-0 : SL7PD (OEM) / SL7TB (boxed) / *$249 USD / multiplier x14
3.0GHz E-0 : SL7PE (OEM) / SL7TC (boxed) / *$352 USD / multiplier x15
3.2GHz E-0 : SL7PF (OEM) / SL7TD (boxed) / *$494 USD / multiplier x16
3.4GHz E-0 : SL7PG (OEM) / SL7TE (boxed) / *$734 USD / multiplier x17
3.6GHz E-0 : SL7PH (OEM) / SL7VF (boxed) / *$903 USD / multiplier x18

* Prices of single CPU (approx.)

Some pics of Xeon 3.6GHz E-0 (ES models) : pic1 pic2 pic3 article1 article2

Oct 14 2004 The Inquirer : Intel drops plans for 4GHz Pentium 4. In future, only higher L2 cache (2MB) and dual-cores CPU.

pokipoki

pokipoki

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

BTW what way do you guys have the fans running on the Intel WT HSs? Do you have the air blowing down to the HS or drawing air up from the HS? I have used both setups and have noticed no difference with the CPU tem but the RT1 tem seems to be lower if I draw air from the HS. I also blocked off the back of the HS where the 24Pin ATX connector is at. I guess that drawing air up thought the HS tunnels the air from the VRM and cools them better thand blowing the hot CPU air past the VRMs.

Mike

mikeg

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Tweak.dk
I have never tried XP64?? You must be thinking on some one else.
LOL!! I assumed since Sir Gallatin said you had problems with your IBM raid controllers, he meant with XP64.. My mistake..

P4Northwood

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Sir Gallatin
It's an error in CPUZ. It doesn't read the Vcore correctly.
Ok but doe's the NCCH-DL support more than 1.6v? Or is it just like the DH800?

1.625v or 1.6500v would be great, and the Vcore mods are easy to make with a 1.525v processor. Just the same as 1.600 just with out the insulate of pin E3.

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

It's an error in CPUZ. It doesn't read the Vcore correctly.

Sir Gallatin

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by P4Northwood
Both my PC-DL's do not have heatsinks on the VRM's.. I use Intel wind tunnels, and they are cooled quite well.. You dont need heatsinks on the vrm with wind tunnels.. Your correct in your thinking.. Thanks for sharing the info.. The problem stems more from a bad vrm design than one related to heat..

@Tweak

Did you ever get XP64 loaded? Fieldski's board is just miss reading the voltage.. Thats not the right voltage..
I have never tried XP64?? You must be thinking on some one else.

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by mikeg
Does anyone who has this board also have a laser temp gun. I have one and use it on my PCDL and you can use it to spot all the hot spots on the mobo. If you have the board and a temp gun could you please give us some readouts on the VRMs. I wonder what the temps are on the VRMs without the HS. One thing about the VRMs without the HS they are in an area wich should get some air flow over them because of the Intel WT HS designs move air over that area.
Both my PC-DL's do not have heatsinks on the VRM's.. I use Intel wind tunnels, and they are cooled quite well.. You dont need heatsinks on the vrm with wind tunnels.. Your correct in your thinking.. Thanks for sharing the info.. The problem stems more from a bad vrm design than one related to heat..

@Tweak

Did you ever get XP64 loaded? Fieldski's board is just miss reading the voltage.. Thats not the right voltage..

P4Northwood

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Good point, that's a good reason for not mounting a heatsink.

L.

Lestat

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by fieldski
@ All

Even w/ temps @ Idle at 25°/25°/24°

Although this is not stable in windows the point here is that VRM # 2 gets hot, especially w/ Prestonias. I can't vouch for Noconas but I'm sure under stress a heatsink will do some good.

fieldski
Fieldski

I can se that you run with a Vcore above 1.900 on the NCCH-DL



How do you get such high Vcore????

Tweak.dk

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Does anyone who has this board also have a laser temp gun. I have one and use it on my PCDL and you can use it to spot all the hot spots on the mobo. If you have the board and a temp gun could you please give us some readouts on the VRMs. I wonder what the temps are on the VRMs without the HS. One thing about the VRMs without the HS they are in an area wich should get some air flow over them because of the Intel WT HS designs move air over that area.

mikeg

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by fieldski
@ All

Even w/ temps @ Idle at 25°/25°/24°
VRM # 2 is very warm to touch
Especially when you are running
Although this is not stable in windows the point here is that VRM # 2 gets hot, especially w/ Prestonias. I can't vouch for Noconas but I'm sure under stress a heatsink will do some good.

fieldski
Well, how warm is that? I'm sure the VRM's are spec'ed for at least 70C, and that's quite hot. Also, you are running the board and CPU's much out of spec, 4GHz is quite a lot, and may be on the edge of what the VRM's are meant for. Especially with the current Nocona's (I'm not sure we'll se Nocona's of this process go much over 4GHz, likely it will take a redesign and perhaps a voltage drop).

If you intend to overclock a lot, maybe heatsinks are in order, but running stock they should be more than fine.

L.

Lestat

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Can you order a VRM heatsink anywhere? I know my NCCH-DL has the holes around the other VRM

Marlin1975

Official: Asus NCCH-DL Thread

Quote:
Originally posted by Lestat
I just don't think heatsinks are necessary (and apparently neither does Asus, since only one pair on the NCCH-DL has heatsinks, and if they are necessary it seems strange to omit the sinks on only one pair), since many Xeon boards don't have VRM heatsinks.

L.
@ All

Even w/ temps @ Idle at 25°/25°/24°



VRM # 2 is very warm to touch



Especially when you are running



Although this is not stable in windows the point here is that VRM # 2 gets hot, especially w/ Prestonias. I can't vouch for Noconas but I'm sure under stress a heatsink will do some good.

fieldski

fieldski

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Quote:
Originally posted by pokipoki
By the same token and merit of your statement, why do you think NCT-D needed 2 VRM heatsinks when they're nowhere near any other heat source? Except the Xeons and both boards do share the same proximity between the VRMs and the CPU sockets.

Regards,
pokipoki
No idea. I just don't think heatsinks are necessary (and apparently neither does Asus, since only one pair on the NCCH-DL has heatsinks, and if they are necessary it seems strange to omit the sinks on only one pair), since many Xeon boards don't have VRM heatsinks.

I'm not really sure which features the NCT-D boasts and which market it targets.

@All: Is there ANY way to get temperature readings on the NCCH-DL as of now? I can't really start serious testing and overclocking before i know which temps i'm running at. Just setting Prime95 up overnight seems a bit foolhardy when i don't know if my load temps are 55C or 75C after a few hours. (I know idle temps are around 40-41C, which isn't bad but not great - the Coolermaster sinks should arrive next week, though).

L.

Lestat

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Quote:
Originally posted by Lestat
The question isn't why it's not on one pair of VRM's, but why it's on the other at all. The answer is undoubtedly that generally the VRM's are cool enough not to require cooling (many Intel 75xx boards don't have VRM cooling at all), but since one set of VRM's are very close to the AGP card, Asus placed a HS on them to be sure there wouldn't be any heat related problems.

L.
By the same token and merit of your statement, why do you think NCT-D needed 2 VRM heatsinks when they're nowhere near any other heat source? Except the Xeons and both boards do share the same proximity between the VRMs and the CPU sockets.

Regards,
pokipoki

pokipoki

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I purchased one NCCH-DL from ewiz.com yesterday. It cost me $253.00(Free Ground Shipment). And I receive the fedex track number today.
I also found that ajump.com is selling it at $264.00(also free ground shipment).


Quote:
Originally posted by audioaficionado
Never mind the bundles. What more do you need than the mobo, Nocona mounting backplate and I/O shield.

Is there a component/feature build differance between them?

For $50 more than the PC-DL and $80 less than the DH800, I might just build another Xeon duallie later this year. If two CPUs are better than one then two times two is even better

eFalcon

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Pokipoki, i wonder if anyone will ever swipe a pair of heatsinks from an NCT-D and see if they fit on the NCCH-DL? At this stage I don't think it matters that much, the vrm seems to stay cool enough as it is anyway.

Brad

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Quote:
Originally posted by Brad
Pokipoki, i wonder if anyone will ever swipe a pair of heatsinks from an NCT-D and see if they fit on the NCCH-DL? At this stage I don't think it matters that much, the vrm seems to stay cool enough as it is anyway.
Top View : NCCH-DL NCT-D

If we compare both pics and use the socket-604 width as reference, it seems the VRM heatsink could fit on both boards Maybe it's not needed for now, but I'd still hope ASUS would put a heatsink there.

They never gave a reason for the missing heatsink, did not justify for the absence either. If it was for the IWTs, maybe they should supply both heatsinks and leave it to the end-user to decide whether to remove it.

BTW, I've seen the retail NCCH-DL in Singapore

Board Rev. 1.02
1 VRM heatsink
PCB Sub-Rev. A01
Produced September 2004
Packed in small box (similar to PC-DL)


Any new NCCH-DL owners have an updated version different from Sep 04 boards?

pokipoki

pokipoki

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Quote:
Originally posted by pokipoki
Top View : NCCH-DL NCT-D

If we compare both pics and use the socket-604 width as reference, it seems the VRM heatsink could fit on both boards Maybe it's not needed for now, but I'd still hope ASUS would put a heatsink there.

They never gave a reason for the missing heatsink, did not justify for the absence either. If it was for the IWTs, maybe they should supply both heatsinks and leave it to the end-user to decide whether to remove it.
The question isn't why it's not on one pair of VRM's, but why it's on the other at all. The answer is undoubtedly that generally the VRM's are cool enough not to require cooling (many Intel 75xx boards don't have VRM cooling at all), but since one set of VRM's are very close to the AGP card, Asus placed a HS on them to be sure there wouldn't be any heat related problems.

L.

Lestat

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What is the fsb range in the BIOS if you boot from the fsb166 setting ? Also can clockgen scale beyond fsb 200 with this setting ? In other words are there any advantages tied to booting this board from fsb200 instead of fsb 166 ?

Lastly can anyone send me clockgen for NCCH-DL ? Or is it the same as for DH800 ? If it is then please send the 64 bit version. I don't have that one.

Kristian_Wraae@vip.cybercity.dk

Thanks

Sir Gallatin

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@DDR : Samsung TCCD owners



DDR Review : Memory PCB Selection Matters


EDIT : ASUS NCT-D E7525 Review at GamePC.com

So that's where the VRM heatsinks went ...



pokipoki

pokipoki

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Got CM 04`s today doe not have a fan on thise atm.
Used AS 5 on thise.
Cpu1 idle bios 55 C Cpu2 Idle 50 is that to normal ore to high?
What are max load temp i can run Nacona Xeons on?

Yuppe

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Quote:
Originally posted by Yuppe
Got CM 04`s today doe not have a fan on thise atm.
Used AS 5 on thise.
Cpu1 idle bios 55 C Cpu2 Idle 50 is that to normal ore to high?
What are max load temp i can run Nacona Xeons on?
Think Prescot when considdering the thermal values of Nocona (same core). You don't whant those over or rather not near 60c

Did you order your -04's from US or someplace in Norway? Norways is heck of a lot closer to Sweden then US for freight time...

Fluf

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GRRRROWWWL.

And for some reason I still can't even OC to 210FSB with everything but USB, normal Boot devices (even Promise turned of), HT and cache disabled. This is major annying. I will tear this rig apart and dummy test the cpus solo when the time comes for CM -04 sinks.. Will order this monday and have about a decade delivery time from the states. (btw, noone happen to have a spair pair or could get hold of some easily and do a privat deal with me to save some import taxes/tolls?)

Fluf

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Nice find Jus!
Quote:
Originally posted by Jus
Looks like ASUS released next version of NCCH-DL BIOS - 1002... but there is nothing in the description said about support of 250+FSB...

http://www.asus.com.tw/support/downl...e=NCCHDL02.zip

http://www.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/S...S/NCCHDL02.zip

Jimmah

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@Jus and all NCCH-DL BIOS junkies
1002 first impressions.
Refuced to install from AWDFlash version 1001 that I donloaded from.. somewhere recently. "BIOS not compatible with your hardware" or something, worked for flashing 1001beta to 1001final though.
Used the ALT+F2 flash (against all my principles), this utulizes AWDFlash version 1005! and worked just fine.

Still 200-233 FSB option I havn't tested 100,133,166 options yett to see if those are fixed.

Under Advance -> CPU COnfiguration I found a new option called
> CPU feature
Uppon entering that there is a greyed out option for
Thermal Management Thermal Monitor 1
I guess this is for the E-0 3.6+ (and partially 3.4) with Speed Step technology.

Memory configuration still identifies my 3200XL SPD 2-2-2-5 as 2.5-2-2-5 for some reason. P4N, your the wiz of memory timings here, any ideas why this might be that way. Something with being enhanced or not state?? dunno...

It migth well be a scrwed fan or a faulty board, but I have no reading on CPU fan 2 speed (same in Bios 1001, will swich cables and check later)

Thats about it so far.


@Lizard
Noconas do not have any multiple choice. It's locked rock solid untill further notice.. Just like the P4 Prescots, you might be able to pull it of with the DH800, using a pre Nocona BIOS (thats unable to identify the CPU) that gives the lowest multiple for that FSB range CPU avalible to be in safe mode, i.e. multi x14 for any and all Nocona CPU's.

The P4 folks to that to get x14 multi on P4P800 and P4C800 mobos with higher grade cpus to get the extra bandwidth boost.

Fluf

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Looks like ASUS released next version of NCCH-DL BIOS - 1002... but there is nothing in the description said about support of 250+FSB...

http://www.asus.com.tw/support/downl...e=NCCHDL02.zip

http://www.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/S...S/NCCHDL02.zip

Jus

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@Fluf - thanks for the advice - much appreciated.
I can get an NCCH-DL for

markodude

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INFO: Jumpering 3-5 will give you 133-165mhz options in bios. So sayeth HFU, and so i have confirmed it to be.

Thanks, mate.

L.

Lestat

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Quote:
Originally posted by pokipoki
@all

This is old news from XbitLabs dated 03/12/2004

Intel Redesigns Xeon, Pentium 4 Extreme Edition Processors : Intel's High-End Chips to Receive New Metal Layers

... Intel will apparently add two metal interconnect layers to the .13 micron Xeon/P4EE core, raising the interconnects from 6 to 8 layers ...
Intel Product Change Notification PDF

These steppings will be made on an alternate 0.13 micron 8-layer process (it was 6-layers previously)

Intel Xeon 3.06 GHz (SL72G)
Intel Xeon 3.20 GHz (SL72Y)
Intel Xeon 2.40 GHz (SL7D4)
Intel Xeon 2.80 GHz (SL7D5)
Intel Xeon 3.20 GHz (SL7AE)

Any comments on these steppings? Anyone owns them? Do they provide more overclocking?

pokipoki
Maybe not overclock higher, but will tolerate higher voltages better like K7 XP processors.

Disk11

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Quote:
Originally posted by sharper

will tv card work with 32 bit drivers in windows 64bit?

jf
Nope.

Plasmafusion

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@all

This is old news from XbitLabs dated 03/12/2004

Intel Redesigns Xeon, Pentium 4 Extreme Edition Processors : Intel's High-End Chips to Receive New Metal Layers

... Intel will apparently add two metal interconnect layers to the .13 micron Xeon/P4EE core, raising the interconnects from 6 to 8 layers ...
Intel Product Change Notification PDF

These steppings will be made on an alternate 0.13 micron 8-layer process (it was 6-layers previously)

Intel Xeon 3.06 GHz (SL72G)
Intel Xeon 3.20 GHz (SL72Y)
Intel Xeon 2.40 GHz (SL7D4)
Intel Xeon 2.80 GHz (SL7D5)
Intel Xeon 3.20 GHz (SL7AE)

Any comments on these steppings? Anyone owns them? Do they provide more overclocking?

pokipoki

pokipoki

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Infos taken from this review:

http://www.k-hardware.de/artikel.php...d=3248&seite=5

Hint: "oben" (german) means top/up, "unten" means down/ bottom









In general, no matter if Opteron or Nocona, at least in Sandra there's a 64-bit boost available.

Plasmafusion

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