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Question OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information ( Notebook Forums and Laptop Discussion Sager and Clevo )
Updated: 2008-02-09 03:51:26 (225)
OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

This is the OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information:

THE LATEST UPDATE ON THE QUADCORE IS NOW LOCATED AT http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...8&postcount=40

"D900C: Blue Case
D901C: Black Case (Sager NP9260)


We want to explain to our customers the reason why we are not using the Q6600 Quad Core processor in our NP9260 unit, and why modifying your unit by adding that processor will void your warranty and release Sager from all liability relating to the malfunctioning of the unit.

While Sager does its best to bring leading technology to our customers, we can not ignore the lab test result from Clevo.

Per Sagerís request Clevo has conducted multiple tests to determine whether the Q6600 Quad Core processor is usable in the current Sager NP9260 (Clevo D901C Black color). While the system will accept the processor and boot up, due to hardware specifications it will cause system failure if used long term.

While you may have read that the Intel X6800 and the Q6600 are very similar in thermal and wattage, that is not the case. Reports showing these similarities have not been run in real life applications and uncontrolled environmental conditions.

The fact is:

Intel X6800 is a 75 watt sku
Intel Q6600 is a 105 watt sku

This puts the Intel Q6600 Quad Core 30 watts over specification. This can increase by an additional 10 to 15 watts under extreme max load conditions. This wattage increase brings additional heat and often will be combined with environmental temperature. A few benchmarks simply do not show the real world long term effect on the system.

Rest assured that we are constantly working to use the latest and greatest technology in our units. And we have requested Clevo to continue working to enable Quad-Core functionality. However, we are also committed to providing our customers with a product that will work reliably in the long term. In this case, using the Q6600 in the NP9260 would not accomplish that goal."

Answers: OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information ( Notebook Forums and Laptop Discussion Sager and Clevo )
OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

no one confirmed you had the GO stepping in that thread. the only way to confrim this is if you look at the die iteslf and read us the stepping code.

i do not believe you had the GO stepping because you ordered it from newegg. they probably shipped out the older stepping that was in stock. at the time of your order i believe the GO stepping was sold out everywhere.

ARGH

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Please reread that thread, i wanted the confirmation how to make sure what i order is G-0 stepping Q6600 / Q6700, and the thread pointed it out that Q6700 only comes in G-0 stepping so my safe bid is to get the Q6700.

which i did and the newegg killer clubit did not have it in stock, but newegg did. so i placed the order.

what i got is the SLACQ SSspec which i confirmed that it is truely the only Q6700 that exist and it is G-0 stepping here.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/Lis...Spec=&OrdCode=

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

oh i see, my bad.

maybe a bios update is required to even run the GO stepping then. so it appears that you cannot simply drop one in the d900c and run it. maybe what eurocom's modification is simply a bios update?....hmm...

the mystery surrounding the quads is always an interesting topic for sure.

ARGH

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by pyro9219
Magnuson-Moss only talks to performance enhancing after market changes (which is to say better parts then the manufacturer installed, not super chargers ect..), it speaks nothing of adding incompatible equipment, or equipment not intended for use in the vehicle as they designed it. Upon the addition of parts installed by either yourself of a third party here in the USA that does not fully comply with the spec of the component replaced, the party responsible for warranty work is still taken to the 3rd party (a shop that installed it).

If for example, you have an after market stereo installed that the manufacturer can prove caused a problem with your cars electrical system, they are under no obligation to repair the car for an electrical issue. What they will and are legally allowed to do is provide you with the free diagnostic report to take back with you to the place that installed your stereo. This leaves you with the burden of trying to convince them to fix the issue and will most likely require legal action to fix. In the end, the stereo installation folks are responsible.

Now, from my own classic car restoration and modification work, I've been in a few mod shops over the years. I can promise you that they are willing to do ANYTHING to get you to spend money with them. Their personal warranty will cover only the parts they installed, and the labor related to installing that part. Any further defects are void of this warranty because to many lawsuit happy people try to blame mechanic shops for faulty brakes when they had their battery replaced.

Now, assuming that your warranty isn't void, there is also the right of the manufacturer to charge you for fixing issues related to out of spec modifications as a result of the modification. They don't always void the entire warranty, just items that might have been effected by your changes. Years of computer repair have shown me that many resellers that make computers will exercise this right in the event you add an aftermarket cooler and your CPU overheats. They can do this because they can claim that the cooler isn't what the CPU vendor provided, and the cpu vendor will no longer provide them the RMA number to warranty the part.
I agree with you completely pyro. I was merely speaking of problems unrelated to the aftermarket upgrade, such as if you install a new CPU and your get loose, or you have problems with the keyboard. For any problems related to the CPU, I agree that your on your own.

I just get annoyed when manufacturers try to make blanket statements such as "if you break this seal, your warranty will be void," or "if you don't use our service centers, your warranty will be void" which are against federal warranty law in the U.S.

odin243

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenchi
No Argh, i have the G-0 as it was confirmed by you and others in thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...=151399&page=3

and i order it from newegg the same day 8/7/2007 got it on the 10th.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115027

and i confirmed what i received using the Intel CPU SSpec on intel.com. and again it was confirmed by you and the others that Q6700 only comes in G-0 Stepping as well as intel.com.

ok almost 2 weeks ago.
Hey Tenchi, what bios are you using? Just curious if you have the older 1.00.03 or the newer one?

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Bios Version is D900C 1.00.04a

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Thanks Tenchi, appreciate the info. Thats the newest BIOS that we know of and it doesn't bode well for anyone just dropping one into their notebook. Now if we could just get someone that has purchased a Quad core from Eurocom, Pioneer or Extreme and find out what BIOS they are shipping the units with. As far as I know that is the latest BIOS.

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wu Jen
Ignoring the car remarks. It comes down to this:

If the reseller SELLS YOU A QUAD CORE NOTEBOOK and you have a warranty with them. Any damage to that notebook from the quad core overheating will be covered BY THE RESELLER.

Again, the biggest point I see is that IF the notebook gets too hot/sucks too much juice etc and it fry's the mobo/locks hang's etc. That the reseller wouldn't offer it because of all the RMA headaches.

Biggest thing your going to have to worry about is having to ship it back to the reseller, IF it proves to be unstable. That's it.
There seems to be a bit of confusion around here regarding warranties, disclaimers and voiding thereof, and the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. There also seems to be a bit of confusion about the difference between an express warranty (for these purposes, a written warranty) and the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for use.

First, generally, the Warranty Act does not provide any additional substantive protections, only certain procedural protections. Basically, the Warranty Act prohibits the disclaimer of an implied warranty if an express warranty is made; however, if no express warranty is given (i.e., nothing in writing), the warrantor may disclaim all implied warranties. 15 USC 2308(a).

Thus, with regard to Clevo, since they've given an express warranty, they cannot disclaim any implied warranty. Also, it should be kept in mind that a disclaimer is different from a condition that voids a warranty - a disclaimer is the warrantor's statement that s/he is not making a certain type of warranty (e.g., "this warranty shall not be construed to include any warranty, express or implied, as to whether 1+1=3").

Second, the Warranty Act does not put any restrictions on a warrantor's ability to limit any express warranty s/he gives, all it does is require that an express warranty be conspicuously labeled as "Full" (if it meets the federal minimum standards of 15 USC 2304) or as "Limited" (if it does not meet the federal minimum standards of 15 USC 2304). 15 USC 2302(a). In particular, the Warranty Act does not impose any sort of restriction on the conditions a warrantor can impose on an express warranty that is identified as a "Limited" warranty.

Thus, in regard to Clevo, provided they identify their warranty as "Limited," under the Warranty Act they can impose whatever conditions they want on it, including, for example, the condition that any sort of substantial modification, such as upgrading to a processor they have not approved for use in the system, voids the entire warranty as to any sort of damage. Under the Warranty Act, that is perfectly legal, and will permit Clevo to refuse to cover under their express warranty damage such as a cracked lid hinge if the owner of the system has upgraded to a non-permitted processor. For further authority, you might consult Lawrence's Anderson on the Uniform Commercial Code, Sec. 2-313:337; some relevant caselaw includes Downs v. Shouse, 501 P.2d 401 (Ariz. 19??).

As a result, since Clevo has stated that the quad-core processors are not appropriate for the D901C, it is entirely possible (and legal) that putting one of those into a D901C could void your warranty even with respect to a cracked hinge lid.

Before you flame, please note, this applies to the EXPRESS warranty only. The implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for use cannot be voided in this manner; however, see below as to substantial changes and misuse and their effect on implied warranties.

Also, I didn't look the question up, but I would be careful about assuming that any reseller who offers the D901C with a processor that Clevo has not authorized has not voided Clevo's express warranty.

Ok, so we've disposed of express warranties, which may be as limited as the warrantor chooses, provided that it's identified as a "Limited" warranty. That leaves implied warranties.

Implied warranties are warranties that the applicable state law governing the purchase reads into the agreement between the buyer and the seller. These are, generally, the warranty of merchantability and of fitness for use.

Under the Warranty Act, a person who gives an express (i.e., written) warranty may not disclaim any implied warranty that otherwise applies under the relevant state law; however, a person who gives a written limited warranty that has a limitation as to time may limit the implied warranties to the same amount of time as the express warranty.

Please note, the Warranty Act does not say anything about whether or not any implied warranty actually covers you; all it says is that, if an implied warranty would cover you, the person giving a written warranty may not disclaim that implied warranty.

In general, a change in the product in question will not discharge the warrantor from liability under the warranty unless the defect of which the buyer complains was caused by that change. The same applies with respect to the buyer's misuse of the product, or failure to follow the manufacturer's instructions. See, e.g., Lawrence's Anderson on the Uniform Commercial Code, Secs. 2-314:347, 660-61, 665, 673. For caselaw, see, e.g., Kirk v. Garrett Ford Tractor, Inc., 650 So.2d 865 (Ala. 1994); McCarthy v. Litton Indus. Inc., 570 N.E.2d 1008 (Mass. 1991).

Conversely, where the damage the buyer complains of was proximately caused by the buyer's alteration of the product, including the use of unapproved replacement parts and failure to follow authorized maintenance procedures, the warrantor may be partly or wholly relieved of any liability for that damage. Id. This rule is partly mitigated by the Warranty Act, which prohibits so-called tie-in-sales provisions; under that prohibition, the warranty is not voided by the failure to use parts (other than parts the warrantor gives you for free) that are specified by "brand, trade, or corporate name...." 15 USC 2302(c). However, as stated by the FTC, a warranty does not have to cover "use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate" for the product in question. See http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../warranty.shtm

Now, in regard to putting a quad-core CPU into a D901C, that mere fact alone should not void any warranty under the Warranty Act unless such a CPU was "inappropriate" for use in the D901C. As indicated by numerous other posts on this thread, Clevo and Sager have a reasonable basis for concluding that the quad-core CPU in question is inappropriate for use in the D901C and, accordingly, actually putting one of those CPUs into your D901C will (a) void the express warranty that Clevo gave you, and (b) relieve Clevo from liability under any applicable implied warranties to the extent that the use of such a quad-core CPU is the proximate cause of any damage for which a warranty claim is made.

This is very easy to state in principle, but may be substantially more difficult to prove in the event that Clevo decides to contest your warranty claim. For example, as Clevo and Sager stated in their official releases, the quad-core CPUs have a significantly higher heat output than do the authorized dual-core processors. If you were to put a quad-core into your D901C, and operate it for any significant amount of time, even if the CPU itself survives the hotter environment, innocuous things, like the plastic that was used to make the casing itself, may not. It is entirely possible that running a substantially hotter CPU inside the case of a D901C for a significant amount of time might cause the plastic of the exterior casing to become brittle where that would not happen if the cooler authorized CPUs were used.

If this were the case, or even if Clevo could come up with enough evidence to convince a judge or jury that there was a greater than 50% probability that it was the case, then you would lose on your warranty claim for the cracked lid hinge, even though there is no immediately obvious connection between using a significantly hotter CPU and the damage done to the hinge.

That being said, Clevo would bear the burden of proof on that matter, so you would prevail on your warranty claim so long as Clevo could not muster the requisite amount of proof.

Bottom line is: almost every part of a notebook can be negatively affected by exposure to significantly more heat than it was originally designed for, and I for one would not want to run the risk of having to fight a plethora of expert evidence that tends to show that such heat could, e.g., cause my lid hinge to get brittle and crack, solely for the chance to strut my stuff my trying to get ahead of Clevo on the technology curve.

Shyster1

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

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Also, I didn't look the question up, but I would be careful about assuming that any reseller who offers the D901C with a processor that Clevo has not authorized has not voided Clevo's express warranty.
I'm sure they probably have voided Clevo's express warranty, but they still have to provide support for their own warranty, since they have implicitly admitted that the Quad-core CPU is "acceptable use" in the D900c since they offered it as a basic configuration.
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relieve Clevo from liability under any applicable implied warranties to the extent that the use of such a quad-core CPU is the proximate cause of any damage for which a warranty claim is made.
Agreed, and this is what I was trying to state before. Thanks for clarifying it.

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I for one would not want to run the risk of having to fight a plethora of expert evidence that tends to show that such heat could, e.g., cause my lid hinge to get brittle and crack, solely for the chance to strut my stuff my trying to get ahead of Clevo on the technology curve.
Neither would I, I was merely trying to point out that Clevo cannot legally compeletly void "any and all warranties" based on an aftermarket upgrade alone. They would have to prove proximate cause in each individual case.

odin243

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

But if and when this Eurocom MELTS ITSELF INTO A PUDDLE OF GOO, and it takes x amount of days and delays to get it repaired just to have it MELTS INTO A PUDDLE OF GOO again.

will you blame Eurocom and only Eurocom? or will you blame the whole D90xC series?

I bought a Q6700 and placed it in my Sager NP9260 2 weeks ago, it ran hot, and it would never complete a warm boot. it will always lockup if i needed to reboot. have to hold the power button to cold reboot.

also the system would slow down at random and never return to normal speed until i shut it down and reboot aswell.

luckly i bought the quad core for a desktop, and just thought i test it out in the sager first.

has any of these reseller that has quad core as option shipped any of them? i would really like to see some other user results.

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

The question Tenchi is yours B3 or G0?

I would only blame Eurocom, why blame the model? I'm fairly certain the Eurocom or any other reseller that offers the quad, IF they had problems with it to such an extreme, would gladly switch the processor out for a comparable one...i.e. Q6700 to E6700 (or whatever is priced equally) to not have to keep replacing notebooks that were piles of goo.

With 4 resellers offering quad core (possibly more, but I only know of 4) this appears to be not just a niche thing.

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

The question Tenchi is yours B3 or G0?

I would only blame Eurocom, why blame the model? I'm fairly certain the Eurocom or any other reseller that offers the quad, IF they had problems with it to such an extreme, would gladly switch the processor out for a comparable one...i.e. Q6700 to E6700 (or whatever is priced equally) to not have to keep replacing notebooks that were piles of goo.

With 4 resellers offering quad core (possibly more, but I only know of 4) this appears to be not just a niche thing.

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

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will you blame Eurocom and only Eurocom? or will you blame the whole D90xC series?
I would blame Eurocom for selling an unusable system.

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has any of these reseller that has quad core as option shipped any of them? i would really like to see some other user results.
Several resellers are selling the quad-core in the system as an option shipped, including Eurocom and XtremeNotebooks, I believe. I'm not sure if any forum members have bought these with quad-core.

odin243

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Q6700 only comes in G0.

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Sounds like a bad deal. Thanks for the info Tenchi. I had been waiting a long(ish) time to hear solid details like the ones you presented.

bazald

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Currently, mobo-makers are working full-speed on adapting the BIOS versions to support the quad cores...

So another reason why Q6700 might not initially work in the D900C/D901C is that Clevo has yet to officially release a BIOS update to fully support it.

Gophn

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

yeah, it could be needing a BIOS update. but as Gophn pointed out Clevo has not release it officially.

or it could be worst, example:

this is exactly what i have been through with my desktop upgrades.

Buy Intel D975Xbx board when 9xx Dual core was released board Rev 1.2 newest at the time.

when Core 2 Duo was released it did not work with this board even after bios update.

needed to search everywhere to buy the same Intel D975Xbx board again with hardware Rev 1.3. or else the system would work but crash to hell.

then comes the quad cores, Sorry same chipset 975X was suppose to support it, but the damn same board stopped working again.

now i have to and has bought a Intel D975Xbx2 2nd version of this board....

keep in mind this is Intel official Boards.

some of you might not like Intel boards, but my corp. clients like them. and they do run stable as a rock if you have the right hardware revision that is.

i don't think it's safe to buy any quad core D901C at this time until Clevo has made it official, warranty or not. the pain and suffering you get from unstable system can not be covered by warranty.

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by odin243
This is not necessarily true. Please read the Magnuson-Moss warranty act, which under U.S. federal law says that the warranter cannot refuse to honor the warranty unless:
"the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance."
Any problems not related to the aftermarket upgrade would still have to be covered under warranty.

(this is not the text of the law, merely a paraphrasing. the full text is available online if you'd like to read it, however.)


The act applies to any warranty on a consumer product sold in the U.S., I believe, so yes Clevo is required to comply with it.
Magnuson-Moss only talks to performance enhancing after market changes (which is to say better parts then the manufacturer installed, not super chargers ect..), it speaks nothing of adding incompatible equipment, or equipment not intended for use in the vehicle as they designed it. Upon the addition of parts installed by either yourself of a third party here in the USA that does not fully comply with the spec of the component replaced, the party responsible for warranty work is still taken to the 3rd party (a shop that installed it).

If for example, you have an after market stereo installed that the manufacturer can prove caused a problem with your cars electrical system, they are under no obligation to repair the car for an electrical issue. What they will and are legally allowed to do is provide you with the free diagnostic report to take back with you to the place that installed your stereo. This leaves you with the burden of trying to convince them to fix the issue and will most likely require legal action to fix. In the end, the stereo installation folks are responsible.

Now, from my own classic car restoration and modification work, I've been in a few mod shops over the years. I can promise you that they are willing to do ANYTHING to get you to spend money with them. Their personal warranty will cover only the parts they installed, and the labor related to installing that part. Any further defects are void of this warranty because to many lawsuit happy people try to blame mechanic shops for faulty brakes when they had their battery replaced.

Now, assuming that your warranty isn't void, there is also the right of the manufacturer to charge you for fixing issues related to out of spec modifications as a result of the modification. They don't always void the entire warranty, just items that might have been effected by your changes. Years of computer repair have shown me that many resellers that make computers will exercise this right in the event you add an aftermarket cooler and your CPU overheats. They can do this because they can claim that the cooler isn't what the CPU vendor provided, and the cpu vendor will no longer provide them the RMA number to warranty the part.

pyro9219

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by pyro9219

Now, assuming that your warranty isn't void, there is also the right of the manufacturer to charge you for fixing issues related to out of spec modifications as a result of the modification. They don't always void the entire warranty, just items that might have been effected by your changes. Years of computer repair have shown me that many resellers that make computers will exercise this right in the event you add an aftermarket cooler and your CPU overheats. They can do this because they can claim that the cooler isn't what the CPU vendor provided, and the cpu vendor will no longer provide them the RMA number to warranty the part.
Ignoring the car remarks. It comes down to this:

If the reseller SELLS YOU A QUAD CORE NOTEBOOK and you have a warranty with them. Any damage to that notebook from the quad core overheating will be covered BY THE RESELLER.

Again, the biggest point I see is that IF the notebook gets too hot/sucks too much juice etc and it fry's the mobo/locks hang's etc. That the reseller wouldn't offer it because of all the RMA headaches.

Biggest thing your going to have to worry about is having to ship it back to the reseller, IF it proves to be unstable. That's it.

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenchi
Q6700 only comes in G0.
the GO stepping was just introduced and you stated you bought it 2 weeks ago. yours could very well be the older 105w stepping. we already know the 105w stepping is unstable because clevo tried it themselves. but clevo did not release any info on the 95w version and i think this whole quad core conversation we are having has to do with the GO 95w stepping only.

the 95w GO steppings are brand new. for right now, you need to place orders with vendors that specialize in selling a specific stepping, like clubit.com. more popular vendors like newegg.com does not do this. i am not sure where you purchased your q6700, though.

so far no one has provided any evidence that the 95w stepping does not work. i will say again that the active forum vendors on here need to step it up by putting the 95w stepping into the d900c. if a 48 hour cpu stress test is not good enough then do a 7 day test.

ARGH

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

But the question is....Does it really matter? If the reseller sells you a quad core notebook, can they say tough luck and write you off with no warranty?

Personally I don't think so. If they warranty it, then they have to fix it, bottom line.

Clevo can go jump in the proverbial lake, because I'm never going to deal with Clevo, as 99% of Clevo owners never will. The 2nd or 3rd party reseller WILL be my point of contact.

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

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But the question is....Does it really matter? If the reseller sells you a quad core notebook, can they say tough luck and write you off with no warranty?
No, none of this matters for people who bought a D900c with quad-core preinstalled. This discussion is merely for people who added quad-core as an aftermarket upgrade.

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Personally I don't think so. If they warranty it, then they have to fix it, bottom line.
Correct.

odin243

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

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But the question is....Does it really matter? If the reseller sells you a quad core notebook, can they say tough luck and write you off with no warranty?
No, none of this matters for people who bought a D900c with quad-core preinstalled. This discussion is merely for people who added quad-core as an aftermarket upgrade.

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Personally I don't think so. If they warranty it, then they have to fix it, bottom line.
Correct.

odin243

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by odin243
I agree with you completely pyro. I was merely speaking of problems unrelated to the aftermarket upgrade, such as if you install a new CPU and your get loose, or you have problems with the keyboard. For any problems related to the CPU, I agree that your on your own.

I just get annoyed when manufacturers try to make blanket statements such as "if you break this seal, your warranty will be void," or "if you don't use our service centers, your warranty will be void" which are against federal warranty law in the U.S.
I second your hate of the "break the seal" style warranties...

pyro9219

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wu Jen
But the question is....Does it really matter? If the reseller sells you a quad core notebook, can they say tough luck and write you off with no warranty?

Personally I don't think so. If they warranty it, then they have to fix it, bottom line.

Clevo can go jump in the proverbial lake, because I'm never going to deal with Clevo, as 99% of Clevo owners never will. The 2nd or 3rd party reseller WILL be my point of contact.
Yes, they can "write you off with no warranty" if they simply never offer you a written warranty in the first place, in which case they can also disclaim any and all implied warranties under the Warranty Act. The only thing that will save you then is if you live in a state where the law prohibits a seller from disclaiming implied warranties.

That being said, if they give you a written warranty, they have to honor the terms thereof provided that you have also punctiliously followed the terms of the written warranty. On top of that, because of the existence of the written warranty, they cannot disclaim the implied warranties of merchantability or fitness; however, the measure of what constitutes merchantability and fitness is relative, not absolute.

In other words, if someone sells you an experimental computer set-up, and hasn't misled you into thinking that it's just an garden-variety system, the measure of merchantability and fitness will be lower than for the average garden-variety computer system. Basically, a D901C with a quad-core CPU put in by Eurocom, in the face of Clevo's statement that the quad-core CPU posed a significant risk to the system, is not the same thing as a BTO HP dv9500t you ordered from the HP online store - something that would constitute an actionable defect on the HP may very well not constitute an actionable defect on an experimental D901C with a quad-core CPU.

Another thing to keep in mind is the warrantor's defense of assumption of the risk. If you knew that there was a significant risk that the computer would self-destruct on account of using the quad-core CPU that had not yet been approved by the ODM, then a court hearing your warranty claim might very well hold that you assumed the risk that the quad-core CPU would turn the system into a puddle of goo, and that the reseller was therefore not liable under the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness.

Bottom line: even if they warranty it, they do not have to fix it (at least not at their expense) if you assumed the risk of failure of an experimental system, or if the reason for the failure was something that did not constitute a "defect" under the implied warranties on account of the fact that the computer was an experimental system and not a garden-variety HP or Dell.

On top of which, it seems very cold comfort to know that you can get a free replacement of your plastic case if it goes kaput, but that you're SOL when it comes to the almost $1,000 investment in the CPU as well as all of the other electronic components.

Shyster1

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Yes, however Eurocom provides a written warranty (it's not labeled as full or limited, as the warranty laws are different in Canada. I'm assuming it's a limited warranty), and it specifically covers the CPU. Also, I went through the order process with Eurocom and they make no mention of any potential dangers with the quad-core option, or that it voids the ODM's warranty. I am not a lawyer, however I can't see anyway that they could sell a warranted machine with a certain part, and then deny your warranty when that part melts your machine. Furthermore Eurocom's warranty (unlike Clevo's) does not mention any specific upkeep tasks you have to perform. It just says "normal use," which in terms of the D900c could very well mean highly intensive gaming sessions.

odin243

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pyro9219
I second your hate of the "break the seal" style warranties...
It also pays to read the warranty they do give you a little more carefully before you start launching into "I hates." If you read most warranties, you will certainly see language to the effect that doing x or y or ... will void the warranty; however, if you keep reading past that part and read down to the bottom, you will frequently find the statement that (a) certain states may not enforce certain of the disclaimers and exclusions contained in the express limited warranty and (b) your state law may provide you will other rights and remedies.

Guess what, they have as good as given you a kick in the pants to contact your state consumer protection agency to find out what your "other rights" are, and you're simply a d**ned fool if you don't - what, do you expect them to actually do your own legal research for you as well? Can you imagine what the "Limited Warranty" from Clevo, for example, would look like if it had to categorize and describe all of the different additional rights provided by each of the 50 states? Ye Gods, do you want that in the two-volume or three-volume set?

A good example is the catch-all paragraph at the end of the Sager limited warranty, to wit: "Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages or exclusions of implied warranties, so the above limitations or exclusions may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific rights, and you may also have other rights that vary from state to state." See http://www.sagernotebook.com/informa...ormation_id=10

The bottom line is, unless state law says otherwise, a warrantor is completely free to put whatever restrictions and limitations they want on their express warranty terms, provided that such terms are not deceptive (i.e., make it look like you have protection you really do not), and may legally state that opening the sealed package absolutely voids the entire express warranty as to any component of the system. Their only disclosure obligation viz-a-viz your additional rights under any implied warranties is a statement like that at the end of the Sager warranty.

Shyster1

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No end user will ever have a warranty from Clevo. They can only have a warranty from the OEM (Sager who refuses to build it with the Quad, or Eurocom who does, or??).

The OEM has the warranty from Clevo, so it is important to understand that the OEM is the only one that relies on Clevo's warranty.

Oh, and from a practical perspective Shyster1, what would the approximate legal fees be to enforce Eurocom's warranty should they decide to not honor a user's warranty for whatever reason?

What would the prospects of winning be assuming Eurocom argues well that the user assumed the risk?

And, once more, we have to remember that a warranty is only as good as the company that gives it, so a warranty from a small reseller may end up not being worth anything...they don't "have to" do anything except turn out the lights.

paladin44

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I think it would depend on if it was a class action or not.

Wu Jen

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Practically speaking it would be tough. However from a cursory examination of all the text Eurocom provides prior to the sale of the D900c, it appears that they never inform you of the risk of the quad-core CPU. And if they decided to say that you altered the notebook in some way, the burden of proof would be on them.

odin243

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Originally Posted by odin243
Yes, however Eurocom provides a written warranty (it's not labeled as full or limited, as the warranty laws are different in Canada. I'm assuming it's a limited warranty), and it specifically covers the CPU. Also, I went through the order process with Eurocom and they make no mention of any potential dangers with the quad-core option, or that it voids the ODM's warranty. I am not a lawyer, however I can't see anyway that they could sell a warranted machine with a certain part, and then deny your warranty when that part melts your machine. Furthermore Eurocom's warranty (unlike Clevo's) does not mention any specific upkeep tasks you have to perform. It just says "normal use," which in terms of the D900c could very well mean highly intensive gaming sessions.
They do not have to affirmatively tell you the system is experimental if that knowledge is easily available - you've already been on this forum and this thread, so guess what, you have that knowledge. What they cannot do is to lull you into a false sense of security by making representations to you that the system is garden-variety when it is not, or by allowing you to assume that it is garden-variety because nothing about its appearance or available specifications would cause the hypothetical reasonable gaming notebook purchaser to suspect that it might not be a garden-variety computer like an HP. That is a much easier hurdle to jump than you seem to think it is.

Second, the warranty itself does not have to contain the detailed maintenance, repair, or etc instructions within the four corners of the warranty card - instructions contained in the owner's manual will suffice. You read that thing cover to cover yet?

Ultimately, the issue is moot because it's Eurocom's business if they want to take on that sort of risk (which is probably not much of a risk since they're probably covered by insurance against warranty claims above a certain amount, so some ducky little insurance company is actually eating the risk, which even they aren't really taking on since they'll have spread that risk around through the capital markets). No, the bigger issue is, are you really, really sure you want to take the risk of having to spend countless hours on the phone, writing letters, and etc, sending your expensive lump of black goo back and forth to Eurocom for repairs, possibly multiple times? I thought the point of buying a top-of-the-line computer was using it, not funding the postmans' benevolent society through repeated payment of shipping costs.

There's cutting edge, bleeding edge, and then there's just plain stupid.

Shyster1

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eurocom is physically modifying the motherboard to accept the 95w quad core and the warranty on the system, including any extended warranty on it, is honored by them and not by clevo. exactly what they modify on the board i do not know.

i wish one of you active resellers on this forum simply dropped the 95w quad core in one of your systems and run a 48 hour stress test or something to tell us if it's stable. instead, we are waiting on clevo feeding us info at turtle speed while the retailers are milking buyers with the x6800 cpu offering for the time being.

it's just that i find it intruiging that some resellers (eurocom, voodoo, etc) have taken the initiative of offering quads in these notebooks instead of waiting on clevo. so it makes me very curious to find out exactly how this is done.

ARGH

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ARGH
eurocom is physically modifying the motherboard to accept the 95w quad core and the warranty on the system, including any extended warranty on it, is honored by them and not by clevo. exactly what they modify on the board i do not know.

i wish one of you active resellers on this forum simply dropped the 95w quad core in one of your systems and run a 48 hour stress test or something to tell us if it's stable. instead, we are waiting on clevo feeding us info at turtle speed while the retailers are milking buyers with the x6800 cpu offering for the time being.

it's just that i find it intruiging that some resellers (eurocom, voodoo, etc) have taken the initiative of offering quads in these notebooks instead of waiting on clevo. so it makes me very curious to find out exactly how this is done.

Spot on the Mark!

Step up, or Step off! Nuff Said.

Wu Jen

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No, not "Nuff Said"

It seems some of you confuse ODM's, OEM's and resellers. Resellers are not OEMs, and they are not ODMs. The way the warranty food chain goes is that the reseller relies on the OEM to provide the warranty and the OEM relies on the ODM. Now when the ODM says that their systems...yes, they are the ODM's systems in that they design, test and certify them, and then warrant them to the OEM...so when the ODM says that using a processor that is not certified in THEIR system will void THEIR warranty then the OEM has no one to look to nor does the reseller for warranty on an uncertified processor. Why in the world would a reseller or legitimate OEM want to stand for the warranty of a product that the ODM will not warrant? It is simply bad business.

A warranty is only as good as the company standing behind it. If you want to look to a small reseller (or even a small OEM for that matter) for a warranty instead of the Mulit-hundred million dollar ODM that is certainly your choice, although a rather foolish choice should you make it. Has everyone forgotten Flawless so quickly?

Also remember there is no incentive for Sager or Pro-Star (OEM's) or any of their resellers to "rush" into something that Clevo is already working on, and if they can prove the 95w Quad successful it will be released in due time. It is only youthful impatience that is pushing this entire conversation...the idea that Clevo is moving at "turtle" speed is utter nonsense, as is the concept that anyone is "milking" buyers out of anything in the mean time.

Grow up people, and if you are in such a hurry then why haven't you "simply dropped the 95w quad core in one of your systems and run a 48 hour stress test or something to tell us if it's stable." Anyone foolish enough to think that a 48 hour stress test will prove that a processor is stable enough to warranty for 3 years in heavy use deserves the result they get.

Like Wu Jen says...Step up, or Step off and let the real professionals at Clevo take what ever time is necessary to do thorough testing and make what ever modifications are necessary to make it work in such a way that it can be warranted by a company that has some substance.

paladin44

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Quote:
Originally Posted by odin243
Note, however, that Clevo legally cannot blanket void all warranties because of the installation of an aftermarket CPU. They can only say that the warranty does not apply to failures caused by the CPU. (In the U.S., at least.)
Please cite your source for this legal wisdom.

Without going into legal citation myself let me pose a simple example. Say you have a new car and you put an aftermarket racing engine in it...that will certainly void the manufacturer's warranty.

If you read any laptop manufacturer's warranty you will find something like "This warranty does not apply if the Product has been damaged by accident, abuse, misuse, or misapplication; if the Product has been modified without the written permission of (manufacturer); or if any (manufacturer) serial number has been removed or defaced."

Also note that Clevo is not in the US (even if that mattered) so their warranty to the OEM is not based on US law.

paladin44

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Quote:
Without going into legal citation myself let me pose a simple example. Say you have a new car and you put an aftermarket racing engine in it...that will certainly void the manufacturer's warranty.
This is not necessarily true. Please read the Magnuson-Moss warranty act, which under U.S. federal law says that the warranter cannot refuse to honor the warranty unless:
"the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance."
Any problems not related to the aftermarket upgrade would still have to be covered under warranty.

(this is not the text of the law, merely a paraphrasing. the full text is available online if you'd like to read it, however.)
Quote:
Also note that Clevo is not in the US (even if that mattered) so their warranty to the OEM is not based on US law.
The act applies to any warranty on a consumer product sold in the U.S., I believe, so yes Clevo is required to comply with it.

odin243

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Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin44
Please cite your source for this legal wisdom.

Without going into legal citation myself let me pose a simple example. Say you have a new car and you put an aftermarket racing engine in it...that will certainly void the manufacturer's warranty.

If you read any laptop manufacturer's warranty you will find something like "This warranty does not apply if the Product has been damaged by accident, abuse, misuse, or misapplication; if the Product has been modified without the written permission of (manufacturer); or if any (manufacturer) serial number has been removed or defaced."

Also note that Clevo is not in the US (even if that mattered) so their warranty to the OEM is not based on US law.
Paladin please don't continue to talk about things which you have no idea of. Putting an aftermarket racing engine into it would not void the manufacturers warranty, at least not in the US.

If you don't want to offer it because of Clevo, that's fine. Don't get all put out because OTHER reseller are though. If they offer a warranty, and they offer the Quad Core then fine. If I trust them enough to buy my laptop from them in the 1st place then I trust them to do the repairs for equipment they sold me. If they throw my notebook away and give me a new one because Clevo won't do the work is no skin off my teeth.

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by odin243
This is not necessarily true. Please read the Magnuson-Moss warranty act, which under U.S. federal law says that the warranter cannot refuse to honor the warranty unless:
"the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance."
Any problems not related to the aftermarket upgrade would still have to be covered under warranty.

(this is not the text of the law, merely a paraphrasing. the full text is available online if you'd like to read it, however.)


The act applies to any warranty on a consumer product sold in the U.S., I believe, so yes Clevo is required to comply with it.
Well, it appears you are trying to practice law here, and unless you can cite some case law that supports your proposition your theory fails.

You see a lawyer would not ignore "...or by unreasonable use..." The fact is that putting a racing engine in a car, or putting a very high end CPU in a laptop that the manufacturer has published widely in writing is not certified for their product and any use of it will void the warranty is pretty clearly an "unreasonable use".

Further, there is no privity between the end user and Clevo. Clevo warrants to the OEM, not the end user so their warranty would not be considered under the Act. The point is that the seller of the consumer product in the US who offers the warranty to the end user would be covered under the Act so the Clevo warranty to the OEM wouldn't even be considered. Now Sager, the largest OEM of Clevo products in North America, will not warrant the use of the Quad (at this time anyway) so any reseller of a Sager product can only offer the Sager warranty on that product...not their own.

So, for both you and Wu Jen I say that if you want to rely on some reseller's warranty on a Clevo product that they have branded, knowing full well that the reseller cannot go back to Clevo for any help when the motherboard or some other component fails, and the reseller is no longer in business to back up that warranty, or simply makes excuses and refuses to honor their warranty...it is no skin off of my teeth either. However offering that kind of advice to people here on the forum is dangerous, and needs to have a sensible counter argument presented.

Let the debate go on...and let the readers decide.

paladin44

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Quote:
You see a lawyer would not ignore "...or by unreasonable use..." The fact is that putting a racing engine in a car, or putting a very high end CPU in a laptop that the manufacturer has published widely in writing is not certified for their product and any use of it will void the warranty is pretty clearly an "unreasonable use".
I was not ignoring that. I was focusing instead on the phrase:
"the problem associated with a warranted consumer product"
Any problems not associated with the "unreasonable use" or aftermarket upgrade is still covered under warranty. My whole point was that Clevo can't legally make a blanket statement that the entire warranty is void. If you install a quad core processor, and a week later one of the hinges breaks (under normal usage), Clevo would still be legally obligated to repair the hinge.

odin243

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin44
Well, it appears you are trying to practice law here, and unless you can cite some case law that supports your proposition your theory fails.

You see a lawyer would not ignore "...or by unreasonable use..." The fact is that putting a racing engine in a car, or putting a very high end CPU in a laptop that the manufacturer has published widely in writing is not certified for their product and any use of it will void the warranty is pretty clearly an "unreasonable use".
Again, your just beating a dead horse. Eurocom is one of the larger Clevo resellers, much larger than your own company. Again, if they offer the quad core in the laptop, and they offer a warranty on it. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE IF IT MELTS ITSELF INTO A PUDDLE OF GOO! Eurocom is not a small fry.

I don't think they are going to go out of buisness from this, if you do then you have issues.

Wu Jen

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What is the power consumption on the Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700?

Edit: Nvm found it....130 Watt TDP

Further Edit: But I wonder if you have a more aggresive cooling for the CPU it would be more stable right? i.e. the higher the TDP the more cooling you need. So should a more aggresive cooling solution work?

Wu Jen

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What is the power consumption on the Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700?

Edit: Nvm found it....130 Watt TDP

Further Edit: But I wonder if you have a more aggresive cooling for the CPU it would be more stable right? i.e. the higher the TDP the more cooling you need. So should a more aggresive cooling solution work?

Wu Jen

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wu Jen
if you have a more aggresive cooling for the CPU it would be more stable right? i.e. the higher the TDP the more cooling you need. So should a more aggresive cooling solution work?
Sure, a more aggressive cooling solution would do the job just fine. Good luck getting a more aggressive cooling solution in a notebook though. If any notebook manufacturer will pull that off before Clevo does, Asus might with their upcoming C80 or C70 notebooks. However, your best bet would be to wait for quad core CPUs with a TDP below 100 W.

bazald

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Check out this site:
http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/p...&c2=15&id=2218

They list the Q6600 for less than half of the X6800 upcharge and they list teh dual 8700m GTX Sli, ETA AUGUST, and they sell 4gb of 800 mhz ram installed. Maybe they are early because they are closer to China?

AlanP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanP
Check out this site:
The U.S. distribution chain isn't going to give you the Q6600 at the moment. Australian retailers can do as they please.

bazald

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanP
Check out this site:
http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/p...&c2=15&id=2218

They list the Q6600 for less than half of the X6800 upcharge and they list teh dual 8700m GTX Sli, ETA AUGUST, and they sell 4gb of 800 mhz ram installed. Maybe they are early because they are closer to China?
That company seems to hype up a lot of things and offer them well before they are tested/released. I would not trust the info on that site.

Chaz

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thats awesome except the pricing is REDICULOUS, and yes i converted to american lol, and chaz is rite.... it says the parts have ETAs.... meaning how could they have even put it together to rele see if it works themselves!!... plus, i trust Sager's testing results... if it does work... except to cover anything you lay this comp down on with fire-retardant coating

Doodles

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Also, the thing about Quad cpu's in a laptop...
I'd wait until the new architecture comes out with it as a standard for mobile. Right now, the thing puts out too much heat and uses too much juice. Going quad right now would even further gimp the 9260's already abysmal battery life.

Akilae Hunter

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Well what do you expect from that beast of a laptop with specs like in your sig?

Syntax Error

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Today Eurocom has announced the first quad core based Laptop, naming the D900C. Confusing stuff about a 95w processor, and yet naming the Q6600 and Q6700. The announcement does sound a bit confused, so nothing to get too excited about yet. But I'm sure their Salespeople will lean on Clevo for something close to the announcement to sell. And that still could be good.

They also mention the Q6x50 series, but don't go much into the FSB issues.

AlanP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jhaxton
I know I'm the guinea pig here, purchasing from Xtreme on faith that they know what they are doing, but I gotta say I haven't regretted my decision to go quad yet. And, if I have any long-term problems, I'm sure they'll show themselves in the span of the 3-year full warranty I ponied-up for, so I'll feeling pretty good

Hey, are there any more tests, info, or benchmarks you all might be interested in seeing? I'm heading out for Labor Day Weekend, but will do my best to accommodate any requests when I get back.

I'm anxious to see the benchmarks and user experiences of those who wait for the officially sanctioned quads to see how they compare to mine, so I'll be checking in often...

Thanks for all the info, really appreciated!! Let us know if there are any problems!

student1

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lol man thats typical clevo and these D900 series notebooks.....always requiring a motherboard revision in order to upgrade. these motherboards cost $500 dollars a pop and the Q6600 costs $300 dollars so it is not a cheap upgrade for existing D900C owners (and probably not worth it).

oh well, at least we for the ones that waited on the sidelines for the quads can finally start to order these notebooks!

ARGH

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If we could overclock our CPU, it really wouldn't matter for a couple years anyways...

AlanP

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This post is somewhat unrelated.
Wow.
Making the fastest notebook on the market even faster...and Sager's probably going to succeed. I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say that even Alienware and VoodooPC are miles behind this.

tchtypist

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Sager can do that cuz their business comes from mostly computer savvy ppl that do research and find companies like sager to buy computers from. Alienware and voodoo are boutique name brands so ppl who dont even kno computers will buy from them, thinking watever they're selling is the best. Im at college rite now. Every1 has a dell/hp/or Mac... they ask me wat type of laptop i have. Im like... D901C Blackhawk, from Pcmicroworks... they're just like... Oh... D90wat? wat kind of computer is that. lol

Doodles

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Thats cause were too cool for skool!

dragooon93

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Update on my testing:

I was able to perform an audio recording stress test with 16 channels of 48000 sample rate audio at 24-bit depth with a 512 sample buffer size... overall latency setting of 22.4 ms. The CPU cores hung out between 4 and 9 percent for the 35 minute test. No clicks, pops, or artifacts made their way into the recording. No apparent stress on the disk I/O, either.

It's doing what I want it to do and doing it well, thank goodness! I hadn't had any trepidation about buying this notebook until I saw this forum, but things are still going smoothly for me and nothing has yet made me regret buying it... no jinx, please

Woohoo!!

I'll get some pics of the test up here in a few...

Jason

jhaxton

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Okay, folks. Here's a link to some pics. Now, my studio is messy as heck right now because I have been spending the past few weeks working on my Xtreme 917V Quad instead of shredding mail, throwing away boxes from my new DAW equipment, etc. Okay, excuses out of the way, here it is:

http://www.strictlyforkicks.com/XtremeDAW.htm

Jason

jhaxton

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Thanks for the pics and tests!! Glad your system is working fine man!

student1

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Hey, guys.

Just jumping in the middle here in case you're interested...

I have had my Clevo D900C (customized by Xtreme Notebooks) for about two weeks now. I'm still getting my apps installed and tested, but I wanted to let you know that my experience to this point has been excellent. The drivers provided by Xtreme Notebooks work perfectly. Even the BioShock Demo, which I have heard has problems running on Alienware notebooks running the 7950 GTX video cards runs fine on my machine with the same cards, SLI or not... a little bit choppy at the highest settings, but it's a cutting edge game, so I guess that's to be expected.

I have installed Vista Ultimate 64 on another partition and am playing around with that, too. It seem to work just fine, but I've been spending most of my time under XP.

The laptop is surprisingly silent under normal operations. Push it with an advanced game and the fans kick in and contribute some noise. But at that point I really don't notice as the game conditions are too intense and the audio to involving to be distracted by the fans.

I ran 3DMark06 on it under XP. The results are at the url below. My machine actually has 4GB of RAM, all of which are recognized under Vista... XP shows about a GB less for some reason. Anyway, here's the link:

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/re...0&UID=10696646

I'll do my best to answer any questions you may have.

Jason

jhaxton

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We wouldn't know anything about that since neither Sager nor PowerNotebooks.com will have nothing to do with them unless and until Clevo certifies the Quad Core processor.

I am eager to see if someone actually receives one and posts their findings. Then of course I will be eager to see of those findings change over time, assuming they are actually shipping.

paladin44

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Quad Core CPU Q6700...oooh yeah! Thanks for the info jhaxton. Please keep us updated on your notebook! Take time and post in the D901C Owner's Thread.

Edit: Just a quick question, but what is your BIOS version?

Wu Jen

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wu Jen
Will do, PM do? or do you want to send me your email address?
Why keep it private?

Let's see the results here on the forum.

paladin44

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toward Wu Jen... u prolly know PCmicroworks is allowing the Q6700... do you plan on upgrading your system with that processor? plus it shud be covered under their warranty.... and i havent rele read all the new info here, except there apparently has been alotta controversy over wat a warranty handles... bottom line... if the thing just fails... and u had a warranty.. the reseller must do something.. even if its buy a new system...

Doodles

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Hi jhaxton,

what processor is in there (q6700? go stepping at 95 w?))? You didn t specify if it was a quad core or just a regular dual core. If it is a quad core what kind of temperatures are you getting from speedfan or any other temp software?

edit: If it is a quad core any modifs you know about from the original cooling system shown on regular dual core systems? From some readings it seems quad cores give out less heat than a x6800 at 2.93, but the voltage is still a bit high at 95 w ... guess will have to wait for a few ligit reviews or Clevo to say it is supported as they have everything to gain from saying it is working, better be carefull than too hasty and get alot of warranties to deal with . And yep would be interesting to know the bios version also .

About the 3 gigs under windows its normal, its becasue 32 bit cannot read over 3 gigs, have to be under a 64 bit operating system to get the full 4 gigs.

EDIT : Seems xtremenotebooks have pulled off their quad core option from their website and replaced it with call for more powerfull cpu options : http://www.xtremenotebooks.com/index...inch&category=
This seems doubfull...


lates man!

student1

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Welcome man. Quads seam to rock & roll after all. Yeah, tell us more.

Trance

DFTrance

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Bottom line, you should take the time to read Shyster1's posts about warranties before you take the position that "..... the reseller must do something.. even if its buy a new system..."

paladin44

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin44
Bottom line, you should take the time to read Shyster1's posts about warranties before you take the position that "..... the reseller must do something.. even if its buy a new system..."
I agree resellers aren't to be trusted and everyone should never deal with them because they are all worthless to honoring warranties. Is that your position?

Somehow I don't think that's the message you want to put out.

Edit: And I don't think your going to go smearing Eurocom, Pioneer, PcMicroWorks, Xtreme Notebooks or any of the other's offering Quad Cores atm are you?

I'm personally waiting for the X6900 to be released, depending on it's price vs the Q6700 I'll make my decision which way to go. If I go the Q6700 route I won't hesitate to post about it in the D901 Owner's thread. I've never held back any information from our community. Why start now?

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by student1
Hi jhaxton,

what processor is in there (q6700? go stepping at 95 w?))? You didn t specify if it was a quad core or just a regular dual core. If it is a quad core what kind of temperatures are you getting from speedfan or any other temp software?
Actually he did, if you bothered to click on his 3dMark06 Link, scroll down and it has the hardware that it was run on.


Quote:
Originally Posted by student1
EDIT : Seems xtremenotebooks have pulled off their quad core option from their website and replaced it with call for more powerfull cpu options : http://www.xtremenotebooks.com/index...inch&category=
This seems doubfull...
Exactly what is doubfull(sp?), I just called Xtreme and they are still offering the Q6700. They wouldn't tell me the BIOS version or if they made any motherboard modifications though. I guess they thought I was a competitor, lol! But as of this posting they are still offering the quad core.

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Seems interesting, q6700 would be a nice upgrade, but i am not sure the cooling system can deal with such heat. I ve been running a few test on my e6700 9260 and its getting cpu heat between 41-58 celsius with high loads (as per speedfan under vista 64 bit). I am not sure if those numbers are accurate, but if they are how can the np9260 deal with processors that have twice as much heat dispersion. Unless there is a modification of the cooling system it just seems doubtful quadcores processors can ran without heavy stability issues.

student1

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

That's not super high. Here are my speedfan results, as posted in the D901C Owner's Thread. Note: No notebook cooler used.

ACPI Thermal Zone: 36C (Fans on Full (Fn+1) / Normal Load - Web Browsing etc)
Core0: 24C
Core1: 24C

ACPI Thermal Zone: 53C (Fans on Full (Fn+1) / FULL 100% CPU usage load for 5 min (Running W-Prime)
Core0: 52C
Core1: 52C

ACPI Thermal Zone: 50C (Fans on Auto / Normal Load - Web Browsing etc)
Core0: 40C
Core1: 39C

ACPI Thermal Zone: 61C (Fans on Auto / FULL 100% CPU usage load for 5 min (Running W-Prime)
Core0: 58C
Core1: 59C

I don't think cooling will be a problem to be honest. This is one of the coolest running notebooks I've owned.

And with 5 Resellers offering the Quad Core atm, it looks like the list just keeps going.

Vodoo PC, Eurocom, PcMicroWorks, Pioneer, Xtreme Notebooks

Wu Jen

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

True these are good for the current dual cores we have, but what can we expect with a Q6700 . Quad cores are bound to make a lot more heat, if we are already reaching 60 c with dualcores, quadcores risk to make it like an oven. Do you know if these resellers have modified the cooling system in anyway?

student1

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Wu Jen,

Thanks for posting some of those results. Its not a surprise that the power draw is larger than on spec. The very first post here points out real world results are alot different than controlled lab results.

I would be concerned that sort of draw would put alot of stress on the other mb components. Im (obviously) skeptical that this is an issue that will adequately be taken care of by the resellers modding existing Clevo boards. But right now for all we know the quad core could be outspeccing the MB 100% of the time.

Undervolting seems like a tough way to go to me. That would be a bit like buying a 500hp car with a screwy fuel injector that only let you get 300hp out of the engine. You would sacrifice the very performance you were buying the quad core for if you went this route.

Davdob

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Jhaxton,

can you run wPrime?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...ghlight=wprime

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Jhaxton,

can you run wPrime?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...ghlight=wprime

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Undervolting to get around the heat and power drain of the quad core would really be the bad way to do it.

While undervolting does not down clock the processor, it does affect stability. This is why it takes so much time to find the right undervolt setting, as even five of the same processor from the same production batch would undervolt differently due to the tiny differences in both lower / higher quality and defected (deactivated) transistors out of the millions each processors has.

Undervolting is for people that are looking for a bit quieter systems or a bit longer battery life in laptops that are used for basic tasks it does not work well for users that require their system to run heavy tasks at will.
Notice how anything electronic that has any ratings itíll always be a x amount +/- x%? Letís say we have a CPU with voltage rating of 1.5v, it is rated for it to provide 1.5v to x millions of transistors. This would translate into 1.5v plus or minus x% divided by x millions of transistors in order for each transistor to work as designed.

You can undervolt enough to the minus x% but not more, as if you go under that it you will start to not have enough voltage to go around for every single transistors. They may work still but will start to lag in flipping their on and off switches. At this point youíll start having crashes or, even worse, data corruption from missed calculations.

This it wonít happen as much during light usage, but for any heavy task the transistors needs to work at optimum spec and having any transistors lagging or just not doing their thing will result very unpleasant results.

Tenchi

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Hey, folks. Here ya go (run under XP with all typical stuff running... virus scan, firewall, email, internet explorer):

wprime results (no cpu errors during tests)

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=641068

CPU-Z reports Voltage at 1.175v

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CPU-Z version 1.40.5
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Number of processors 1
Number of cores 4 per processor
Number of threads 4 (max 4) per processor
Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700
Code Name Kentsfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6700 @ 2.66GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA
Family/Model/Stepping 6.F.B
Extended Family/Model 6.F
Core Stepping G0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 2659.9 MHz
Multiplier x Bus speed 10.0 x 266.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1064.0 MHz
Stock frequency 2666 MHz
Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line si
ze
Northbridge Intel P965/G965 rev. C2
Southbridge Intel 82801HB/HR (ICH8/R) rev. 02
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 4096 MBytes
System Manufacturer CLEVO
System Name D900C
System S/N 0123456789
Mainboard Vendor CLEVO
Mainboard Model D900C
BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies LTD
BIOS Version 6.00
BIOS Date 06/06/2007
Module 1 DDR2, PC2-6400 (400 MHz), 2048 MBytes, OCZ
Module 2 DDR2, PC2-6400 (400 MHz), 2048 MBytes, OCZ
Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build
2600)
DirectX Version 9.0c

jhaxton

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

it appears to be slightly under volted. can you tell us what motherboard revision you have? you should be able to locate this during the initial boot screen you can press the puase/break key to pause the screen. you may need to enter the bios and select the default boot screen with the beep sound as if it loads a custom graphic it will hide any of that info.

ARGH

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

the wattage numbers can't be right. the power supply itself is only rated for 220 watts so it is not possible to supply a flow of more than that for extended periods of time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wu Jen
I think I may have hit upon something.

The X6800 CPU is 75TDP...now at maximum it is drawing 226-242 Watts.
Idle Temp for me is around 40C and a maximum of about 61C.

The Q6700 CPU is 95TDP...now at maximum it is drawing 269-289 Watts.
Idle Temp is around 44C and maximum is showing 66C.

What I think they are doing is undervolting the Q6600's and Q6700's it would lower the actual wattage down to X6800 levels and also reduce the temp down to X6800 levels.

Undervolting is a relatively simple fix. No BIOS revision needed. No motherboard monkeying needed either.

What do you guys think? Jhaxton can you run CPU-Z and tell us what your VID is? I.e. Voltage? If its lower than 1.184V then it's more than likely been undervolted. Can you post it (along with that BIOS #) ?

Thanks!

Edit: I found most of the true wattage info and C at Anandtech Forums and Techgage Hexus had a good article on the Q6700 as well.

Now my question is how can the X6800 (stock not OC'd) which shows in many tests to draw way more than 220Watts, actually be drawing more than 220W from a 220W power brick? The LCD needs power, the HDD's etc. I know I'm missing something fundamental here.

ARGH

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Phoenix TrustedCore(tm) DeskTop
Copyright 1985-2006
All Rights Reserved
BIOS Revision: DC900C 1.00.03
KBC/EC Firmware Revision: 1.00.03N

CPU = 1 Processors Detected, Cores per Processor = 4
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6700 @ 2.66GHz
TCG is enabled
4095 System RAM Passed
4096 KB L2 Cache
System BIOS shadowed
Video BIOS shadowed
Fixed Disk 0: ST9120823AS
Fixed Disk 1: ST9120823AS
Fixed Disk 2: ST9120823AS
ATAPI CD-ROM: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530A

jhaxton

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

you could very be the hero of this thread, jhaxton! i do not have the new D900C so maybe wujen or others can decipher your information.


ARGH

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by ARGH
you could very be the hero of this thread, jhaxton! i do not have the new D900C so maybe wujen or others can decipher your information.

Hah! Not looking to be a hero, but thanks!

Now I'm off to fight with Acronis... hopefully, they'll give me a way to fix my MBR after I stupidly decided it would be cool to install their OS boot management utility... but that's another topic altogether and thankfully it is just resulting in an error message at this point and is not affecting my ability to boot.

Back on this topic, I hope the info I provide will be useful to you all. So far, XP has been very stable... just one BSOD in 2.5 weeks and I think that was related to a driver upgrade. I blue-screened Vista a couple of time, but, again, that was related to software or driver installs and did not persist, so all is good - except that darn MBR... I just ordered a USB floppy drive in case I have to rebuild this thing from scratch sometime soon and want to keep XP - oh the joys of a having new baby

jhaxton

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

For reference, so we have a reason to cry in our beer... The E6600 pulled out of my Raptor-60 [D901C] and oc to 3.4 mhz in my desktop runs the WPrime in 13min 15sec versus the XtremeNotebook Quad score of 8min 32sec. Wow!

So if we could oc a q6700 cpu in a Clevo, the windows and doors would fly open or what? But then, wouldn't this toast all the Laptop competition out there and create waiting lines long enough to... What am I missing here?

AlanP

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gophn
I know I know, I am just enthused about stuff like this.

I already added the EDIT about this notebook is not being recommended for Quad-core use.

Maybe Clevo will release a new revision that will give more power ... *grunt* *grunt* *grunt*

Here's hoping for a true Quad-core notebook... can't wait to see Clevo's version of the D900C for the AMD Phenom X4's.
Add a *grunt grunt* from me as well for when quad's will be official!

Unfortunatly, the software just isn't there for really utilizing that kinda power

That, and first generation quads (Intel's atleast) are scoring lower then dual cores because of the bridge latency between the twin cores. These things are really shining only in transactional system's and a few other smaller more specialized markets. I don't honestly see mainstream support till at least 2010 at this rate when looking at how long we have had dual core processors and comparing the application support on them. (I think that statement makes enough sense, might edit later for clarity but in hurry )

pyro9219

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Next year we will have Quads all over the place with the new architecture from Intel to be launched in the end of this year IMHO (at least in desktops). Overall the new architecture is more efficient in power consumption and heat generation. As far as I read and understand it it will be just enough to fit into a box such as the one of D900c, but it will require the P35 chipset at least on board. But yes we have to wait and see, I would not buy a Quad for gaming at the moment anyway for the reasons Pyro posted.

Trance

DFTrance

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Goph,

Using a single GPU doesn't help relaxing the CPU's limits. The power converters are most likely not the same, I don't even think they share the same fan(s). So this basically only flies for the power brick..

Ice-Tea

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

I have made this thread a sticky so as many people as possible see this.

Chaz

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaz
I have made this thread a sticky so as many people as possible see this.
Good Idea!

pyro9219

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

The "solution" to the quad core problem would be to build a Xeon based notebook that uses the 50W 1.86GHz L5320 quad core Xeon. Of course, the added heat and power from FB-DIMMs will probably cancel out the power savings from the CPU.

The best bet would be to base it on upcoming nVidia Xeon boards which should be out by the end of the year, now that they have a Xeon license. nVidia's Xeon boards should use regular DDR2 or DDR3 rather than FB-DIMMs since they are targetted more at workstations than servers. The end of the year would also bring 45nm server Penryns (desktop and mobile versions likely won't be out until Q1 2008), but Intel will probably keep the same TDPs and push higher clock speeds rather than cutting power further.

ltcommander_data

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

I think the Sager folks should wait for the 45nm then...

mujtaba

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

I think it would be best to wait for a single Quad core cpu for laptops. To understand what I am saying take a look at this picture.

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/...imple_view.jpg

Basicly it a quad core. But what intel did was put two E6700 65 nm 4MB cache dual core at 2.66 GHz chips to make a K6400 with two 4mb cache = 8mb cache. With a laptop the two core 2 glued together is going to be overkill and be to hot.

Remember when Amd frist came out with a dual core. They where smart to make it on one chip. Intel was in a rush to match Amd and glue two P4 together then seid it was dual core. It took untel Core 2 to come out and we see the benifits of a ture dual core chip. With Less power useage and faster chip.

AtolSammeek

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

yea thats why it's called core 2 quad , and not quad core

Derq

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Hey, all! Writing my review of my Xtreme quad will need to wait another couple of weeks. I am heading out of the country and won't be back until mid-October. I will be completely without technology (except for my dive computer), which is going to be a fun change of pace. Here's hoping I don't get eaten by sharks ;^)

Jason

jhaxton

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

One thing I would like to know is if swapping just the motherboard is all that is needed to use a quad "safely" in Clevo's eyes? If so, does anybody know a place to purchase it as a part by itself [I like Eurocomm's idea of the upgrade and incuding the quad core, but since I already HAVE the quad core, there isn't much sense in that for me].

KyronSr

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

One thing I would like to know is if swapping just the motherboard is all that is needed to use a quad "safely" in Clevo's eyes? If so, does anybody know a place to purchase it as a part by itself [I like Eurocomm's idea of the upgrade and incuding the quad core, but since I already HAVE the quad core, there isn't much sense in that for me].

KyronSr

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

FYI
We have posted some initial scores and images of the new Quad Core support on the Sager NP9261 HERE

Justin@XoticPC

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

So there is no more issues with quad core ?

aShtk

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

I have one of the original d901Cs. I am interested in upgrading the motherboard. Does anyone out there offer the revision 5.xa mb or offer a replacement service?

thanks

hox

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by hox
I have one of the original d901Cs. I am interested in upgrading the motherboard. Does anyone out there offer the revision 5.xa mb or offer a replacement service?

thanks

I would like to know this too. I would also like to know if the updated or current (9260) MB will have the option to upgrade the GPU when Nvidia release the 8700GTX or 8800.

CRFfred

OFFICIAL Statement regarding the Sager NP9260 (Clevo D900C/D901C) Quad Core Information

Quote:
Originally Posted by aShtk
So there is no more issues with quad core ?
That is correct. The warranty on the Sager NP9261 will have the full warranty backing from Sager...who will be backed up by Clevo.

paladin44

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