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Question 8300HD and External SATA It Works ( AVS Forum HDTV Recorders )
Updated: 2008-05-11 21:00:17 (6890)
8300HD and External SATA It Works

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ORIGINAL POST
At least in Shrewsbury, MA. Our town owns and operates its own cable company, so they do their own thing, but we're running SARA version 1.85.17.3.

So, I ordered the following items:

External enclosure (black plastic)-
http://www.addonics.com/products/ext.../aeehdsa35.asp

SATA I to eSATA External Cable-
*** LINK NOW DEAD

And a 120GB Maxtor Ultra Series SATA drive.

I plugged the unit in as described in the 8300HD manuals found online, and the 8300HD recognized the external drive and asked me if I wanted to format it. Once this was done (it did this very quickly) the remaining disk space on my existing 8300HD increased accordingly.

Now, I had to "fill up" my fairly new 8300HD's internal drive enough to equalize the remaining disk space on each drive. Once this was done, the 8300HD recorded my next recording to the external drive (the 8300HD always records to the drive with the most remaining space, and ping pongs back and forth).

So, if anyone has any questions, let me know.
-D

Answers: 8300HD and External SATA It Works ( AVS Forum HDTV Recorders )
8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
Sorry to hear that, but I kind of thought that might be the case. Look in the databases (links in 1st post or xnappo's sig) and see what appeals to you. You might read a few pages back too, there are some posts from folks who bought recently.
For a case with a fan - go Apricorn... I had been reading your posts as well and thought since your drive had been working for 2 years you were probably in a bad spot... Make sure to check the warranty! It is easy to forget since HD warranties periods are actually useful...

xnappo

xnappo

8300HD and External SATA It Works

This is kind of long, so please bear with me.

I have been using an external drive with my 8300HD for about a year and a half with no problems until now. Yesterday I noticed the box was making a racket trying to access the external drive (I wasn't watching anything and it was turned off).

I turned it on and it was frozen on a blue boot-up screen while the external drive was grinding away. I unplugged the external drive and then the box displayed a message that the external drive appeared to be corrupted, and asking if I wanted it reformatted.

I unplugged everything and then started everything up in the proper sequence and got the same result. Had to unplug the external drive to get anything, and then I got the offer to reformat. Obviously if I chose "reformat" it wouldn't be able to do it as it was disconnected, and if I connected it the box would never get past the blue screen.

I plugged the external drive (Azio enclosure and I believe a Hitachi 400 gig drive) into a computer and opened computer management/storage. It recognised the drive. I decided to reformat it, but the only option at that point was to "initialize" it, so I chose that, which took about a second. Then I would have been able to format it, but I didn't bother because I wanted to try it again with the cable box which has its own format.

I unplugged the 8300HD, connected the drive, fired up the drive, and then plugged in the box. I have done this several times now, and it either freezes on the blue screen, or it boots normally as if there is no external drive connected. When it boots up there is no mention of detecting an external drive, no offer to format, and no message that there is a functioning drive. Nothing.

At this point I suspect that my eSATA cable went bad, because the computer, connected by USB, seems to think the drive is OK.

But here is my big question. When I first got the external drive in June 2006 I seem to recall that I was able to determine that I had the SARA software (firmware?) by calling up some obscure diagnostic screen. But now when I reboot the box, the blue screen says "NAVIGATOR" in big letters. At first I thought nothing of it. But then I started reading threads on this forum talking about how some cable companies were switching over to some awful Navigater software and people would lose their saved programs on the external drive when it happened.

How can I determine what actually happened? I have Cablevision (Long Island) and I can't find any mention of them changing over. Also, even if I lost the programs from a switch to Navigator, the external drive should still work, right?

[I just spoke to a Cablevision rep who assures me that they haven't done any major firmware upgrades that would affect my external drive. But he didn't know which operating system is on their boxes.]

I would appreciate any information or thoughts and comments.

Pantalaimon

8300HD and External SATA It Works

AFAIK, the only cableco using Navigator is TWC, they are the ones who developed it. If you look in the first post in the SARA Tips & Tricks thread (see my sig), it tells you how to get to the diagnostic display, among other things you might want to try, like a "hard" reboot, etc.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
If you look in the first post in the SARA Tips & Tricks thread (see my sig), it tells you how to get to the diagnostic display, among other things you might want to try, like a "hard" reboot, etc.
Wow, that is a whole lot of useful information. I will be trying a hard reboot in a short while.

Thanks to you and everybody else who contributed to the tips and tricks.

Pantalaimon

8300HD and External SATA It Works

OK, the hard boot didn't fix it. Next I will order a new eSATA cable and try that.

Pantalaimon

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantalaimon
OK, the hard boot didn't fix it. Next I will order a new eSATA cable and try that.
There were posts a few months back about improperly "seated"cables. Try a search or PM to xnappo, DoubleDAZ, pepar or DaveHancock for the details before junking your cable.

Bob

BobKat6

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Good advice, Bob. One thing recommended is to reseat all cables inside the external enclosure. Don't just push on them, remove them and plug them back in. That goes for the eSATA cable as well.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobKat6
There were posts a few months back about improperly "seated"cables. Try a search or PM to xnappo, DoubleDAZ, pepar or DaveHancock for the details before junking your cable.
Check connections inside the enclosure.

pepar

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobKat6
There were posts a few months back about improperly "seated"cables. Try a search or PM to xnappo, DoubleDAZ, pepar or DaveHancock for the details before junking your cable.

Bob
Thanks.

I unplugged and replugged both ends of the cable and that didn't help. I saw a post about checking to see if the cables inside the enclosure are seated properly, so perhaps that's what your referring to. I suppose I will check that eventually.

Pantalaimon

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar
Check connections inside the enclosure.
Beat you by mere seconds.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Ah! The big hitters are back on. Wasn't there also some talk about shaving the plastic to get enough metal to seat properly?

BobKat6

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobKat6
Ah! The big hitters are back on. Wasn't there also some talk about shaving the plastic to get enough metal to seat properly?
You have a good memory. There were some pictures (or links to such) posted showing some short connectors that didn't quite make good contact. After some of the plastic was shaved away, the metal parts were then long enough to go further in for better contact. The pictures showed the difference between the "shorties" and good connectors.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
Beat you by mere seconds.
Wow!

pepar

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Hi Guys,

I'm using the 8300HD with SARA Firmware 1.88.24.., I plug my Western Digital External ESATA with 320Gb using 7 Pin ESATA cables, however, I get a message on my 8300HD saying a communication error. When I unplug the cable, it says it's unplugged but it will not work when it is plugged in. I've tried rebooting the 8300HD and the Harddrive to no avail. I also have another 8300HD upstairs and I get the same error.

It appears to know that the drive is there, but it just keeps giving me a communication error. Any Ideas?

I've also tried a Seagate external Harddrive but I got the same error message.

I'm on Hargray Communications Cable out of Hilton Head Island, SC, so it's possible that my cable company is just backwards and the system will not work, but I wanted to give it a shot!

Thanks!

drdcpa

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by drdcpa
Hi Guys,

I plug my Western Digital External ESATA with 320Gb using 7 Pin ESATA cables, however, I get a message on my 8300HD saying a communication error.

I've also tried a Seagate external Harddrive but I got the same error message.

Thanks!
What EXACT models are you trying to use? Check the database and see if they are generally successful or now.

xnappo

xnappo

8300HD and External SATA It Works

I bought the I-Rocks eSata case for use with a Maxtor 320GB Sata drive on a Navigator (Mystro) 8300.

Upon rebooting the 8300 it recognized and formatted the disk.

Record and playback initially work OK with ~1 glitch per minute on average.

Twice now, after < 1 week, it stops recording all new shows with a "channel not available" error message in the record log.

I am ready to give up on this combo, as it is really annoying for it to randomly quit recording new shows.

rooobosmith

8300HD and External SATA It Works

How "cool" is "cool enough" for a HD? I just ordered a new WD 500g to replace my fried drive. I am planning on using my existing AZIO case, but plan on leaving the top cover off. I ordered an 80mm MASSCOOL COOLINGFAN ($1.99) from Newegg when I ordered the drive. The 8300 STB, HD, AVR, DVD are in one base cabinet about 30" wide. I have (8) 2" holes drilled at the bottom up under the baseboard. I'm planning on mounting the fan under one shelf and having it blow up directly through the AZIO. Does this sound adequate?

Also, where's the best place to pull 12V DC from, the HD or just find an old 9-12V power supply?

PS: I thought I'd add, in going back to no external drive I did a hard reboot. TV picture would flash on and off about every 2 or 3 seconds. After 2 more soft reboots all is back to "normal", except I already have it 75% full... my replacement drive can't get here soon enough. Also checked "warrantee" at WD web site, you just plug in your serial number and it tells you "warrantee expired 7/15/07, feel free to upgrade here" (at prices way hirer than Newegg).

tcat

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by rooobosmith
Twice now, after < 1 week, it stops recording all new shows with a "channel not available" error message in the record log.

I am ready to give up on this combo, as it is really annoying for it to randomly quit recording new shows.
People are reporting in the Navigator thread that this happens ~twice per week WITHOUT an external drive.

xnappo

xnappo

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo
People are reporting in the Navigator thread that this happens ~twice per week WITHOUT an external drive.

xnappo
Thanks xnap. I hope this fact gets me off the hook with my gf.

rooobosmith

8300HD and External SATA It Works

I decided to have Windows XP do a full format of my external drive that no longer works with the 8300 just to definitely determine if the drive itself is OK or not (short of doing a full format XP indicates that the drive is "healthy.")

So my question is: Is there supposed to be some sort of progress bar or some other indicator of progress during a full (as opposed to a quick) format?

Because I don't see any.

Pantalaimon

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantalaimon
So my question is: Is there supposed to be some sort of progress bar or some other indicator of progress during a full (as opposed to a quick) format?

Because I don't see any.
It's been a long time since I've formatted a drive, but I thought there was a status bar that gave the percent complete or something.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
It's been a long time since I've formatted a drive, but I thought there was a status bar that gave the percent complete or something.
That's what I thought too. I'm starting to think the drive is shot. I will give it some more time.

Pantalaimon

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantalaimon
That's what I thought too. I'm starting to think the drive is shot. I will give it some more time.
Does the drive appear in the BIOS settings? Does the drive appear in Computer Management|Storage? Does the drive appear in Windows Explorer?

pepar

8300HD and External SATA It Works

After PVR powerup I dont get the format screen. Seems like my PVR never sees the external harddrive.

Cable seems to fit snug. HD works via USB to my PC.

The HD is IDE in a case that can accept either IDE or SATA.

Does the drive need to be formatted in a special way before hooking it to the PVR?

Suggestions? Info Needed?

chichichi

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by chichichi
After PVR powerup I dont get the format screen. Seems like my PVR never sees the external harddrive.

Cable seems to fit snug. HD works via USB to my PC.

The HD is IDE in a case that can accept either IDE or SATA.

Does the drive need to be formatted in a special way before hooking it to the PVR?

Suggestions? Info Needed?
What drive?

xnappo

xnappo

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by chichichi
After PVR powerup I dont get the format screen. Seems like my PVR never sees the external harddrive.

Cable seems to fit snug. HD works via USB to my PC.

The HD is IDE in a case that can accept either IDE or SATA.

Does the drive need to be formatted in a special way before hooking it to the PVR?

Suggestions? Info Needed?
What drive, what case, what does the database have to say?
[excuse the double post]
xnappo

xnappo

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by rooobosmith
I bought the I-Rocks eSata case for use with a Maxtor 320GB Sata drive on a Navigator (Mystro) 8300.

Upon rebooting the 8300 it recognized and formatted the disk.

Record and playback initially work OK with ~1 glitch per minute on average.

...
One glitch per minute! That's not working, IMHO. I use the WD DVR Extender - 500G WD Drive in a WD case, and see maybe one glitch a week - and I think that's more than it should be.

Millwood1

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar
Does the drive appear in the BIOS settings? Does the drive appear in Computer Management|Storage? Does the drive appear in Windows Explorer?
It is an external USB/eSATA drive, so it wouldn't appear in the BIOS screen. When I plug it into the computer via USB cable the computer detects it as an external drive. It shows up under Computer Management/Storage as a healthy, but unallocated drive. I was able to select the drive and go through the steps to format a partition, but, although the drive is spinning, and XP says "formatting," there is no indication of any progress being made.

I will open the case and reseat the cables and try one more time, and then I will toss it. That's why I now like to buy Seagate drives with a 5 year warranty. I have seen so many drives fail before then.

Pantalaimon

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo
What drive, what case, what does the database have to say?
[excuse the double post]
xnappo
WD1600 Caviar
Sabrent Silver Serial ATA (SATA) & SATA II to eSata or USB 2.0 3.5" Aluminum External Hard Drive Enclosure

Drive isnt listed.
Sabrent in the reviews section of where I purchased it someone is using it there 8300 HD without problems.

chichichi

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Millwood1
One glitch per minute! That's not working, IMHO. I use the WD DVR Extender - 500G WD Drive in a WD case, and see maybe one glitch a week - and I think that's more than it should be.
Is that with Navigator?

Cause I see your entry in the Sara database.

I did not notice any glitches with this disk when I had Passport.

I could put up with glitches as long as the programs were recording reliably and the box did not crash all the time (cause it takes much too long to reboot).

Oh well, the 8300 will soon be gone cause I got my gf Tivo HD for her b'day.

rooobosmith

8300HD and External SATA It Works

I have an new 8300HD that I hooked up mu external Discount Technology set up to and it's having a problem. First understand that this external drive worked perfectly with my original 8300 that I had to return because of optical out problems.

With the new set up the external is recording the program perfectly, but on playback every 10 seconds or so I have a sound drop out and pixelation of the image. If I hit back and go through the same part it will be clear so it's not on the original recording. It looks like the unit is having a hard time synching the date coming from the external drive.

My original HD had a Maxtor drive and I believe this has a WD.

Anyone else expierience this and is there a workaround?

Brian

bkushner

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
Perhaps I am missing something here, I didn't recall anything about 3 or 4 programs. I was talking about the limitations of total HD capacity being limited by the amount of RAM in the system. We are talking here in terms of something like 60 or 70 programs.
I experienced problems with just 3 or 4 programs saved. Not more than 6 hours worth. That's way too little to be explained by the above.

srothkin

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett
Mine is a Western Digital, too, and I know what you mean. The only hard drive I have ever had crash was a Western Digital. Holding my breath and hoping that this one will last a long time. Good luck with yours!

Scarlett
On the other hand...
I have about a dozen Western Digital drives in my various computers and find them to be the most reliable brand. And they are good at replacing them if necessary--but avoid the 1 year warranty that they (and the whole industry) had for a while (now mostly back to 3 years).
I wouldn't touch a Maxtor to same my life--3 1/2 years ago I got two DOA Maxtors in a row and the 3rd one which wasn't DOA died 2 months after the 3 year warranty.

dps-raleigh

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by drivie
One interesting fact is that my STB has a Western Digital internal drive...bummer eh? Hopefully that won't come back to bite me down the road. Anyway, there you have it.

Drivie
Mine is a Western Digital, too, and I know what you mean. The only hard drive I have ever had crash was a Western Digital. Holding my breath and hoping that this one will last a long time. Good luck with yours!

Scarlett

Scarlett

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Congrats DEI and Scarlett,

I too believe that I have successfully added external storage to my 8300HD. I used a Vantec enclosure with a Maxtor 6L300S0 300GB drive. The first time I connected the drive to the STB, everything worked perfectly and I was recording to it in no time. I then decided to mess with the drive in my PC so I unplugged the STB and shutdown the ext. drive and placed it in my PC. I was bound and determined to disable Acoustic Management and Write Verification for the drive but lo and behold, I could not locate a utility to disable WV and Maxtor was no help so I powered on and off my PC 12 times and ran the PowerMax quick verification utility in between each shutdown as Maxtor claims that 10 power cycles will disable WV.

I was more successful with disabling AM. I found that the Hitachi Feature Tool will disable the AM on a Maxtor drive. I did confirm that the settings stuck when I was finished with the entire process. Getting the drive to be recognized by the 8300 again was quite an adventure and I thought for sure I was going to have to format it in the PC before reattaching it to the STB but it worked out after several attempts at unplugging and replugging in the power.

So far, so good. I have witnessed small audio skips but no different than without the external drive....granted, I only have about five HD programs on the external so I haven't really put it to the test just yet and don't want to jinx myself by saying that it's great and nothing can go wrong. One interesting fact is that my STB has a Western Digital internal drive...bummer eh? Hopefully that won't come back to bite me down the road. Anyway, there you have it.

Drivie

drivie

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by jruhnke
Not for everyone. When the format of my new drive was complete, I immediately went to the "space remaining" screen and saw a big jump in free space, no reboot required.
And, happily, not for me either! Houston, I have liftoff! Eureka! It finally worked!

The only thing I did differently this time was a forced firmware upgrade first. When the DVR rebooted, I got the message that the external device was not functioning properly, so I disconnected power from both boxes, reattached all the cables, powered up the external box, powered up the DVR, waited for the reboot, got the message asking if I wanted to format the external device, told it yes, waited about 5 minutes, got the message that the external device would work with the DVR, got another message telling me how to properly disconnect the external device, and when I checked the Recording Space Used, it had dropped from 96% to 26% with 99 recordings! How happy do you think I am?

A huge thanks to each and every one of you who has suffered through this with me and made so many great suggestions. In the end, it has all been worth it to me, and I am just so grateful that I didn't have to try calling Scientific Atlanta--I was told that I probably would get little or no help there. Not so with this group--you are the best!

Many, many thanks!

Scarlett

Scarlett

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Same here - no reboot needed to change the % when I added my Seagate 300.

DEIFan

8300HD and External SATA It Works

After saying yes to format and waiting you have to reboot the 8300 for the percentage to change.
I've done that on 4 different drives for the and each time after reboot the % changed.
Hasn't solved my playback issues though

Brighton Line

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brighton Line
After saying yes to format and waiting you have to reboot the 8300 for the percentage to change."
Not for everyone. When the format of my new drive was complete, I immediately went to the "space remaining" screen and saw a big jump in free space, no reboot required.

jruhnke

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by srothkin
Check the diagnostics page of your 8300HD and see if it reports that the internal hard drive is a Western Digital -- if it is, you may find it doesn't work well with a 400GB external (I found that out the hard way, now I'm in the process of exchanging the 400 for a 250).
Aha! This may be precisely what my current problem is! I do have a Western Digital internal hard drive in my 8300HD, and I have been unsuccessful in formatting (a) 300GB Maxtor; (b) 120GB WD; or (c) 300GB Seagate SATA drives! Were you successful with your 250GB drive?

I had no such problem with my 8300SD recorder. It has an 80GB Maxtor internal hard drive and formatted flawlessly. I have even done a forced firmware upgrade on the 8300HD, but I still am unable to get the external drive formatted. As I have said before, the external drive is detected, I am asked if I want to format it, I reply "yes" and then leave it alone for hours. When I check the Recording Space Used, I find that it remains at 86%.

Has anyone else with a Western Digital internal drive had problems getting an external drive formatted? Taking into consideration the RAM requirements, is there any reason to believe that the WD drive would require any more RAM for formatting than the Maxtor drives require, and/or that there is any less RAM available in a system that has a Western Digital internal drive?

I have one final thought: I am using the 8300HD configured in SD mode. Could this be causing a problem with formatting, i.e., should it be configured in HD mode in order to format the external drive, then returned to SD mode for recording?

If neither of the above makes sense, then I will have to call Scientific Atlanta to see what they might suggest. Time Warner is less than no help since this feature is not officially supported. I am beyond frustrated!

Thanks for any suggestions you can offer.

Scarlett

Scarlett

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER
And all this time I thought - he frankly didn't give a damn...
Good one...

bcoombs

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtomdd
Scarlett,

I keep replying but I get no response from you.

Tom
Tom, I have only one reply from you, and I have now responded. Sent a PM in response. Sorry, but I have been away from my computer for the past week. But I'm back now!

Scarlett

Scarlett

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtomdd
Scarlett,
I keep replying but I get no response from you.
Tom
And all this time I thought - he frankly didn't give a damn...

CANNON-FODDER

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett
Tom, I have sent you two PM's--neither of which has been read, and the first of which was in reply to your PM to me. Check your Inbox and please get back to me.

Thanks!

Scarlett
Scarlett,

I keep replying but I get no response from you.

Tom

jtomdd

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Has anyone tried this with the 8300HDs Cox is leasing on the Gulfcoast FL area (Pensacola, Ft. Walton, Destin)???

Sorry if this has already been asked/answeared, skimmed through the posts a few times and didn't see anything about Cox Gulfcoast specifically...

Thanks


jwd

jwdsail

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by srothkin
Kind of makes sense EXCEPT why would it be running out of RAM with only 3 or 4 programs (not more than 6 hours worth) saved? My gut instict is something else is involved.
A lot of stuff is stored in ram when adding a second drive.
The new partition and structure information, drive data (files) information, cab files used to index the drive space used and free, etc.
All this and more has to be available to the OS as it decides where to store and playback the recordings.

vegggas

vegggas

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by srothkin
Kind of makes sense EXCEPT why would it be running out of RAM with only 3 or 4 programs (not more than 6 hours worth) saved? My gut instict is something else is involved.
Perhaps I am missing something here, I didn't recall anything about 3 or 4 programs. I was talking about the limitations of total HD capacity being limited by the amount of RAM in the system. We are talking here in terms of something like 60 or 70 programs.

davehancock

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Come on Steve, it was only a joke, everyone can use more HDD space. It's just that some folks write things that look kind of funny if read a certain way.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
Sorry, but this always makes me chuckle. Don't have enough time to watch what's recorded now, so let's get a bigger HDD, so we can record more.
We tend to watch a few hours on weekend evenings when we're not otherwise busy. Occasionally on a really slow weekend we may watch a bit more.

Some weeks there will be a lot of stuff on we want to watch, other weeks (especially) will have nothing. So some weeks we build up a lot of content, and others we catch up on the accumulated content.

So it becomes very easy to exceed 20 hours of space. So yes, a bigger HDD to record more makes perfect sense.

srothkin

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
One significant issue is the amount of available RAM in the system. The directory (or list) of all drive (both internal and external) contents are kept in RAM. The larger the total HD the more RAM needed. Malfunctions occur as you run out of RAM.
Kind of makes sense EXCEPT why would it be running out of RAM with only 3 or 4 programs (not more than 6 hours worth) saved? My gut instict is something else is involved.

srothkin

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by fr. dougal
Ah... ok, that makes sense. Wasn't sure what "Quickview" was... I assume that's the model of Maxtor drive in the 8300s.
The correct and complete product name is "Quickview Expander." "Quickview" is something else, related, but not the same.

pepar

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by jruhnke
Don't people buy bigger houses for essentially the same reason, so they don't have to clean out the closets or the attic? Don't knock it--it keeps the economy moving!
Shhhh, don't tell my MIL that or she'll be looking for a bigger house, there isn't a nook or cranny left in the one she's got.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by fr. dougal
Right now, I'm just always keeping it around 90%... can't ever get a chunk of time to watch everything at once.
Sorry, but this always makes me chuckle. Don't have enough time to watch what's recorded now, so let's get a bigger HDD, so we can record more.

DoubleDAZ

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Don't people buy bigger houses for essentially the same reason, so they don't have to clean out the closets or the attic? Don't knock it--it keeps the economy moving!

jruhnke

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
This has been discussed many times before: One significant issue is the amount of available RAM in the system. The directory (or list) of all drive (both internal and external) contents are kept in RAM. The larger the total HD the more RAM needed. Malfunctions occur as you run out of RAM. While many people have no problems with 400GB & 500GB ext drives, others have problems over 300GB. This is due to many factors, many of them dependent on the local system, version of SARA, etc. It is likely that these are more significant than if the internal drive is WD or Maxtor. Note that the maximum Quickview size is 300GB (which will give you around 60 hrs of HD) - there is a reason!
Ah... ok, that makes sense. Wasn't sure what "Quickview" was... I assume that's the model of Maxtor drive in the 8300s.

60 hours of HD would most likely be more than enough I think. Right now, I'm just always keeping it around 90%... can't ever get a chunk of time to watch everything at once. So you'd recommend a 300gb drive just to be safe?

When I get home, I'll check the diagnostics and see how much RAM it has (as well as whether it's Maxtor or WD).

fr. dougal

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Quote:
Originally Posted by srothkin
Check the diagnostics page of your 8300HD and see if it reports that the internal hard drive is a Western Digital -- if it is, you may find it doesn't work well with a 400GB external (I found that out the hard way, now I'm in the process of exchanging the 400 for a 250).
This has been discussed many times before: One significant issue is the amount of available RAM in the system. The directory (or list) of all drive (both internal and external) contents are kept in RAM. The larger the total HD the more RAM needed. Malfunctions occur as you run out of RAM. While many people have no problems with 400GB & 500GB ext drives, others have problems over 300GB. This is due to many factors, many of them dependent on the local system, version of SARA, etc. It is likely that these are more significant than if the internal drive is WD or Maxtor. Note that the maximum Quickview size is 300GB (which will give you around 60 hrs of HD) - there is a reason!

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by fr. dougal
What do you think about this drive?
Ugh, can't post urls...

Maxtor DiamondMax 11 6H400F0 400GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Check the diagnostics page of your 8300HD and see if it reports that the internal hard drive is a Western Digital -- if it is, you may find it doesn't work well with a 400GB external (I found that out the hard way, now I'm in the process of exchanging the 400 for a 250).

srothkin

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Well the "safest" choice would be a package from Discount Technology (they have posted here before and provide good support/warranty) or go with the Maxstore Quickview (check the ad at the top of the forum - weaKn)ees. Then there are the "do-it-yourself" approaches. The e-Power enclosure from NewEgg, a Maxstore 250GB or 300GB 7200RPM SATA, and the needed SATA to eSATA cable from Cruz, or a few others. The eSATA connector is not widely used, so it might be a problem buying one from a local store.

davehancock

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What do you think about this drive?
Ugh, can't post urls...

Maxtor DiamondMax 11 6H400F0 400GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

fr. dougal

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Quote:
Originally Posted by srothkin
I experienced problems with just 3 or 4 programs saved. Not more than 6 hours worth. That's way too little to be explained by the above.
Is it that you are having problems with 3 or 4 programs out of many recorded - or that you ONLY have 3 or 4 programs recorded? Some of your posts indicate that you have many recorded (stored up for weekend viewing).

By the way, I made my comment suggesting that it is RAM limitations (originally suggsted by veggas) rather than manufacturer of the internal drive (Western Digital) that is the principal reason for difficulties with 400GB ext drives.

davehancock

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I knew I should have said "different".

DoubleDAZ

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett
Where did you read that TiVo has no plans to release a high def version?
There is a whole thread here devoted to the Tivo Series 3.

DoubleDAZ

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
There is a whole thread here devoted to the Tivo Series 3.
Too bad I didn't know about this sooner. I had no idea that TiVo had discontinued its Lifetime Subscription! I might have bought one had I known about it before the April 15th cutoff. Oh, well....life is full of missed opportunities.

I read the entire thread and found it interesting and enlightening, but I didn't see anything indicating that TiVo has no plans to release its high def version--which is what my question to Brian was, i.e., where did he read that there were no plans to release a high def version. To the contrary, there was much speculation about the various release dates. Maybe you were answering his question instead of mine?

Scarlett

Scarlett

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar
I think you are missing - or ignoring - the reality of the situation. This box is intended for time-shifting, not archving. If your CSR spoke about it, he did not speak about building a library. For the purpose of time-shifting - an inherently short term thing - the internal drive is sufficient. The "extra money to rent it" is for the DVR as it shows up on your doorstep, not some future possible functionality.

- temporarily at The Venetian for a trade show -
The Houston Time Warner Cable site states that you can build a library of recorded shows.

Quote:
Record your favorite shows - choose one episode or an entire season, record two shows at the same time, build a library of recorded shows - all without videotapes or a VCR.
Click here to go to the web site.

Of course, it would have to be a very small library if you don't use an external drive.

Note: Houston Time Warner Cable doesn't support external drives, but external drives do work on their system.

RussB

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1) I should have said no U.S. cable companies ever supported external drives. All I know about are U.S. cable news events and the one that said all participating cable co's (U.S.) are not supporting the external drive due to inconsistant performance.
2) The SA documentation, given to cable co's and available online does have instructions on how to connect and use an external drive. CSR's can easily read those instructions if asked directly by a customer since they are part of the documentation.
3) The DVR's as outfitted for their primary purpose, can easily hold 100 hours or more of SD digital video. They were designed when there were very few HD channels and programming available to record.

vegggas

vegggas

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RussB
The Houston Time Warner Cable site states that you can build a library of recorded shows.
I certainly stand corrected. I'm surprised at the different levels of touting the feature, but vegggas is correct about SD recording time vs. HD recording time. And entire season of an SD series would easily fit. So would the HD version as well, but not much else. Oh well . . .

pepar

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Scarlett,

I was just pointing out the thread because there seemed to be some interest in Tivo plans for an HD cable receiver and I didn't want to see the wheel reinvented in another thread.

I too, am intersted in where Brian heard that as it seems to contradict everything in the S3 thread.

DoubleDAZ

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
Scarlett,

I was just pointing out the thread because there semed to be some interest in Tivo plans for an HD cable receiver and I didn't want to see the wheel reinvented in another thread.

I too, am intersted in where Brian heard that as it seems to contradict everything in the S3 thread.
TiVo's Series 3 box will feature dual QAM digital SD/HD tuners. It WILL SUPPORT HD viewing and recording.

twitchee3

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by twitchee3
TiVo's Series 3 box will feature dual QAM digital SD/HD tuners. It WILL SUPPORT HD viewing and recording.
We know that, that was the point of referring to the S3 thread. We were wondering about bkuchner's post on the previous page regarding srothkin's post and Scarlett's comment about the SD Tivo being released Monday and Tivo having no plans to release an HD version.
Quote:
Originally Posted by srothkin
If SA/Cablevision disables the port (or if I can't succeed in getting an external drive working reliably), I will replace the box with a Tivo when the dual-HD-tuner cable-card compatible version comes out. I'd be fine with the 8300HD if it had sufficient storage capacity (which the external drive could add).
Quote:
I see there are no plans by Tivo to release such a box. Where did you get this information? I see they have a dual tuner stand alone box releasing Monday but it is not HD?

DoubleDAZ

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I simply said I didn't see any plans on their site about this. I was reading the site and saw about the sd 2 tuner unit but nothing about an HD. I've since come to realize there is an HD in the works. Sound and Vision is reporting it will only have a 250gb drive. Big mistake, 25 hours of HD will not suffice as more and more programs are available in HD. Also, the price has been put out there as anywhere from $800 to $1500.

bkushner

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I figured that might have been all it was, but you through some of us for a loop.

I agree that the 250G is probably a mistake and I don't recall if the S3 will have any expansion capability. Of course, if I'm more of a typical user, 25 hours will probably be fine for the majority of us. Since I tend to only record things I will definitely watch and I don't put off watching series episodes, I still haven't come close to the 8300's 20 hour limit. If cableco's follow through with plans to store recorded shows centrally, kind of a personal VOD system, then 250G's of local storage might be just fine, assuming they allow both.

DoubleDAZ

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Interesting data point.

I have an SA 8300HD with a Maxstor 160gb internal drive (6L160P0) according to the diag screens.

Two months ago I bought the Vantec enclosure (from NewEgg) previously mentioned in this thread, along with a 300gb SATA-I drive from Tiger.

It was unusable - 90% of the recordings ended early with no indication why.

Two months ago the box was running SARA 1.87.23.1.

Time Warner Memphis pushed a new firmware upgrade (1.88.17.a100) about two weeks ago. It has the fourth fast forward along with the 'Play from Beginning' option for shows in progress. Don't know if it still kicks you out when watching a show while recording it.

I tried the same eSATA drive again. Now, it works! I have recorded over 24 hours of HD and SD shows on the external box. Even two at a time while watching one off the same drive. All of them record to the end. A few minor glitches - 2-4 seconds of video or audio dropouts during some shows.

Gee, I hope TW and SA don't disable eSATA for drives that are formatted and working!

jbburks

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ
...I don't recall if the S3 will have any expansion capability.
Yes, it does, but it may be proprietary. The pictures of the expansion drive look identical to the Western Digital My Book--a 500GB USB drive.

Scarlett

Scarlett

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by bkushner
I see there are no plans by Tivo to release such a box. Where did you get this information? I see they have a dual tuner stand alone box releasing Monday but it is not HD?
"Rumors" I've heard/read are that the series 3 will be that and will be released sometime in the July to September time frame.

srothkin

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar
I think you are missing - or ignoring - the reality of the situation. This box is intended for time-shifting, not archving.
I am using the box SOLELY for time-shifting. Between our schedules and the "feast or famine" cycle of shows we want to watch, 20 hours is simply inadequate.


Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar
If your CSR spoke about it, he did not speak about building a library.
True, but he did say the external drive was supported. And I have NEVER had a Cablevision rep tell me the external drive was NOT supported.

srothkin

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by srothkin
I am using the box SOLELY for time-shifting. Between our schedules and the "feast or famine" cycle of shows we want to watch, 20 hours is simply inadequate.




True, but he did say the external drive was supported. And I have NEVER had a Cablevision rep tell me the external drive was NOT supported.
I've been too strong in my comments as apparently there is a wide range of statements being made by CSRs. Whether the different cablecos have different scripts or CSRs are paraphrasing - always a source of creeping inaccuracy - I do not know. But clearly, different people are being told different things.

Did he say that the external drive, the one you're supplying, is supported. Or did he say the port for an external drive is supported. I know that may seem like semantics, but it makes a difference. Also, did the cableco provide a list of compatible drives?

pepar

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueRock
Tom's Hardware has an article about a new 2-HDD eSATA enclosure. I'm definately thinking about hooking it up to my 8300HD. I would probably put 2 Maxtor SATA HDDs into it.

The article also has a nice description of what eSATA is.


Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar
It's been covered hera before a few times; you cannot connect two external drives to the 8300HD. Port replicator, you say? Won't work. Search this thread.
This unit makes 2 HDD look like one HDD. It has a switch on the back where you select RAID-1 or RAID-0. This definately looks like a cheap way to add a lot of storage to a SA 8300HD

TrueRock

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryJoe
Do you have a link to that site? Thanks, Joe
Apparently I have to have 5 posts before I am allowed to post a web link. I guess its a way the forum keeps out spammers.

TrueRock

8300HD and External SATA It Works

I think this is my 5th post.

TrueRock

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Originally Posted by TrueRock
Tom's Hardware has an article about a new 2-HDD eSATA enclosure. I'm definately thinking about hooking it up to my 8300HD. I would probably put 2 Maxtor SATA HDDs into it.

The article also has a nice description of what eSATA is.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryJoe
Do you have a link to that site? Thanks, Joe
The link:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/04/...ernal_storage/

The article starts out saying:

Thecus Brings SATA to External Storage
Patrick Schmid, Achim Roos
April 17, 2006 10:00

Most users do one of two things when their PC runs out of hard disk space: they either add an additional drive or rely on external storage with a USB 2.0 or Firewire connection. However, both options have their disadvantages, since installing a new drive can be a cumbersome process, while external hard drives do not offer the same level of performance as that of directly attached Serial ATA (SATA) or UltraATA. However, external SATA (eSATA) is a worthy alternative.

eSATA falls under the DAS (Direct Attached Story) category, which comprises storage products that are hooked up externally at a high speed using fast interfaces such as SATA, SAS or UltraSCSI.

Taiwanese storage firm Thecus' eSATA device accommodates two SATA drives, with a maximum bandwidth of 300 MB/s. Still eSATA is not going to replace USB 2.0 or Firewire any time soon: eSATA is comparatively a nascent technology and most motherboards do not yet offer it, while USB or Firewire can be found on almost any computer today. For this reason, Thecus decided to equip the N2050 with both eSATA and USB ports.

TrueRock

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueRock
Originally Posted by TrueRock
Tom's Hardware has an article about a new 2-HDD eSATA enclosure. I'm definately thinking about hooking it up to my 8300HD. I would probably put 2 Maxtor SATA HDDs into it.
The manufacturer link is:
http://www.thecus.com/products_over....38af0516fc1fdf


Here is someone selling it for $190:
http://www.a-computers.ca/crazyspecials.htm

Put a couple of Maxtor 500GB Ultra16 SATA II HDDs in it and your good for 1TB of storage!!!

TrueRock

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueRock
The manufacturer link is:
http://www.thecus.com/products_over....38af0516fc1fdf


Here is someone selling it for $190:
http://www.a-computers.ca/crazyspecials.htm

Put a couple of Maxtor 500GB Ultra16 SATA II HDDs in it and your good for 1TB of storage!!!
Do it already and let us know how you make out

BenDover

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TrueRock,

Have you been reading this thread at all? Shortly after your first (I think it was) post on 4/26 I made a comment about practical upper limits on the size of HD. That was subsequently challanged, and I provided a links back RAM Impacts on Ext HD Size

Now if you insist on going ahead, be our guest - but don't say that you were not told

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom's Hardware article
Since eSATA is not available everywhere yet, Thecus bundles Silicon Image's 2515 controller for the PCI bus.]
My 8300HD doesn't have a PCI bus, does yours?

pepar

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
TrueRock,

Have you been reading this thread at all? Shortly after your first (I think it was) post on 4/26 I made a comment about practical upper limits on the size of HD. That was subsequently challanged, and I provided a links back RAM Impacts on Ext HD Size

Now if you insist on going ahead, be our guest - but don't say that you were not told
He wouldn't even get that far. See my above post.

pepar

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar
My 8300HD doesn't have a PCI bus, does yours?
Well... more than likely, your 8300 does have a PCI bus... but you cant get to it .

The expansion box he is referring to has two external interfaces... eSATA or USB. The RAID is internal to the box.

http://www.thecus.com/products_spec....38af0516fc1fdf

However.... I would have to agree that trying this would be futile....

scsiraid

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by scsiraid
Well... more than likely, your 8300 does have a PCI bus... but you cant get to it .

The expansion box he is referring to has two external interfaces... eSATA or USB. The RAID is internal to the box.

http://www.thecus.com/products_spec....38af0516fc1fdf

However.... I would have to agree that trying this would be futile....

I have no problem in letting him try his hardest

BenDover

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by BenDover
I have no problem in letting him try his hardest
I just wanted him to know what he was working against.

After all, if Dmilani hadn't tried something different over a year ago, we probably would all be stuck at 160GB.

But he really should read the thread. At least postings written within a few days of his first post.

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueRock
Tom's Hardware has an article about a new 2-HDD eSATA enclosure. I'm definately thinking about hooking it up to my 8300HD. I would probably put 2 Maxtor SATA HDDs into it.
The link:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/04/...ernal_storage/

The manufacturer link is:
http://www.thecus.com/products_over...f38af0516fc1fdf

Here is someone selling it for $190:
http://www.a-computers.ca/crazyspecials.htm

Put a couple of Maxtor 500GB Ultra16 SATA II HDDs in it and your good for 1TB of storage!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
TrueRock,

Have you been reading this thread at all? Shortly after your first (I think it was) post on 4/26 I made a comment about practical upper limits on the size of HD. That was subsequently challanged, and I provided a links back RAM Impacts on Ext HD Size

Now if you insist on going ahead, be our guest - but don't say that you were not told
OK, I'm being chastised by Dave. I admit, I was trolling for flame when I threw my comments on the board.

So, the obvious issue: 300GB Maxtor HDDs work perfectly, 500GB Maxtor HDDs work perfectly, what is the upper limit?

500GB Maxtor HDDs cost $250 per drive. The enclosure is $200. Now, if I just had $700...

By the way - my 300GB Maxtor has been running for over a year and I have had no problems. I keep the top of the HDD enclosure off and it seems to run cooler that way. Maxtor makes HDDs specifically to be used with DVRs. Plus, the comments on this forum seem to indicate that they work very well with the SA 8300HD. I highly recommend the Maxtor SATA HDDs.

And, because its been a long time since I've used this forum, I have another comment to make. The HDD does not make a good place to create a "library" of TV videos. I bought a $89 DVD recorder ( http://www.cyberhome.com/products.asp?Product=1600 ) that makes a pretty good DVD copy of any TV show I want to save. I admit, it's a long way from 1080p quality.

TrueRock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueRock
So, the obvious issue: 300GB Maxtor HDDs work perfectly, 500GB Maxtor HDDs work perfectly, what is the upper limit?
Again, if you check out the discussion - particularly postings from veggas you'll see that the upper limit is rather soft. At lot of 500GB Maxtors don't work perfectly - but some do. Key is that the Maxtor Qucikview Expander (designed for the 8300) is ONLY available UP TO 300GB.

davehancock

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I have subscribed and read this multi-page thread for over 2 months now, and, I still do not know the answer to the basic [Y,N] question:

Q. Is there a certifiabley relaible 400GB/500 GB Hard Drive and External eSATA enclosure that works MOST of the time on MOST cable systems (mine is Cox Cable Santa Barbara CA)?

mkerdman

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Say what you want about UMD, the PSP is a technical achievement, so was PSOne. I can tell you having coded to them. Sony knows games and gaming hardware.

UMD has more to do with their executives and their insane obsession over controlling their IP. But then again so did Memory Stick and MiniDisc

sharpie

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mkerdman
I have subscribed and read this multi-page thread for over 2 months now, and, I still do not know the answer to the basic [Y,N] question:

Q. Is there a certifiabley relaible 400GB/500 GB Hard Drive and External eSATA enclosure that works MOST of the time on MOST cable systems (mine is Cox Cable Santa Barbara CA)?
If you've been following this thread for two months, then you shouldn't be surprised that it's difficult to answer that question.

I think there are too many variables in play and too few folks trying the external drive experiment and reporting their results for anyone to build a useful database of drive/enclosure/SA software version/cable company/success/problems.

As I posted recently, with the data available today, "You pays your nickel and you takes your chance..."

jruhnke

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Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpie
Say what you want about UMD, the PSP is a technical achievement, so was PSOne. I can tell you having coded to them. Sony knows games and gaming hardware.

UMD has more to do with their executives and their insane obsession over controlling their IP. But then again so did Memory Stick and MiniDisc
I have a PSP, it's a wonderful thing. I was addressing Sony's insane, and completely hysterical, control issues. They're a classic cartoon case of corporate multiple personality disorder.

Fazookus

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Fazookus, I totaly agree. The only company with a seemingly more dimented executive staff might be Nintendo, but in a much quirkier way. Sony is like the mental patient that needs to be restrained from hurting itself. Nintendo is the mental patient walking around the halls who thinks he's Napolean, living in another world from the rest of us...

sharpie

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mkerdman
I have subscribed and read this multi-page thread for over 2 months now, and, I still do not know the answer to the basic [Y,N] question:

Q. Is there a certifiabley relaible 400GB/500 GB Hard Drive and External eSATA enclosure that works MOST of the time on MOST cable systems (mine is Cox Cable Santa Barbara CA)?
NO

Nothing certifiable in that size range PERIOD.

Nothing that works on MOST cable systems - still does not fully work on Passport systems.

Now you have your (simple Y,N) answer.

However...............................

davehancock

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Sorry if I haven't read all the prior posts here, but I need to know what is the SATA connection is with the 8300HD.

I have a 3250HD cable box currently with TWC in NYC. The system is running Passport 3.3 build 029. This latest build added something that stopped a clean copy with a D-theatre copy protected D-VHS HVC Recorder. The D-VHS recordings are filled with video and audio drop outs.

I'd like to know if you guys are:

1. Putting large SATA drives (up to 500GB) into the 8300 HD box to record HD shows.

2. If the above is true, then is the recorded 1920x1080 material readable and playable inside a Window powered PC running say PowerDVD, Windows Media Player, or VLC player?

3. Is the firewire port of the 8300HD active? Can this output go directly into a D-VHS recorder or into the 1394 connector of a Windows PC?

4. Does the 8300HD have a working DVI and HDMI?

Many thanks!


Paul
Forest Hills, NYC

paulchiu_28@yahoo.com

Paul Chiu

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cecorded 1920x1080? isn't that 1080p? i don't believe anything is being broadcast in 1080p, but mostly 1080i. unless i am misunderstanding your question or am completely a fool (quite possible, you never know ..

sharpie

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Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpie
cecorded 1920x1080? isn't that 1080p? i don't believe anything is being broadcast in 1080p, but mostly 1080i. unless i am misunderstanding your question or am completely a fool (quite possible, you never know ..
1920x1080 is merely the resolution of 2 of the formats; 1080i and 1080p. TWC also transmits 720P which is 1280x720. I believe there are a number of other sanctioned HDTV formats.

This is not my question. My questions are the following if you can help.

1. Putting large SATA drives (up to 500GB) into the 8300 HD box to record HD shows.

2. If the above is true, then is the recorded 1920x1080 material readable and playable inside a Window powered PC running say PowerDVD, Windows Media Player, or VLC player?

3. Is the firewire port of the 8300HD active? Can this output go directly into a D-VHS recorder or into the 1394 connector of a Windows PC?

4. Does the 8300HD have a working DVI and HDMI?

Thanks!


Paul
Forest Hills, NYC

paulchiu_28@yahoo.com

Paul Chiu

8300HD and External SATA It Works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Chiu
Sorry if I haven't read all the prior posts here, but I need to know what is the SATA connection is with the 8300HD.

I have a 3250HD cable box currently with TWC in NYC. The system is running Passport 3.3 build 029. This latest build added something that stopped a clean copy with a D-theatre copy protected D-VHS HVC Recorder. The D-VHS recordings are filled with video and audio drop outs.

I'd like to know if you guys are:

1. Putting large SATA drives (up to 500GB) into the 8300 HD box to record HD shows.

2. If the above is true, then is the recorded 1920x1080 material readable and playable inside a Window powered PC running say PowerDVD, Windows Media Player, or VLC player?

3. Is the firewire port of the 8300HD active? Can this output go directly into a D-VHS recorder or into the 1394 connector of a Windows PC?

4. Does the 8300HD have a working DVI and HDMI?

Many thanks!


Paul
Forest Hills, NYC

paulchiu_28@yahoo.com
1) No - we are attaching external SATA drives to the eSATA port on the back of the SA8300.

2) Not sure what you are asking here, but it looks like you are asking can you remove that drive from the 8300 and read it on a PC. If this is your question, the answer is NO - the data recorded on the HD is encrypted with a key unique to your SA8300 - without that key there is no way to recover the data.

3) Firewire is the subject of other threads. It usually is active on most systems, but it does use 5C copy protection, so it works with devices that have that (D-VHS) but this is problematic on PCs. There is a thread on the PC aspect:
Recording to PC from a SA8300HD via Firewire

4) Yes, but "working" can be debatable. The 8300HD has a HDMI output and a strict implementation of HDCP. There are some displays that do not have a good implementation of HDCP and the 8300 is not tolerant of that. Also the 8300 does not work with receivers (such as Denon) which do not relinquish HDCP control to the 8300.

Answers and all kind of information and debate on the above can be found on many threads in the AVS Forum:
HDTV Recorders

davehancock

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