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Question Behr "Silverscreen" Paint ( AVS Forum DIY Screen Section )
Updated: 2008-05-16 15:28:44 (1199)
Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

On a lark, I was leafing through the Behr swatches at my local Home Depot, and found the "Silver Screen" paint. Light grey, seemed similar to the "Misty Evening". So, I rolled two coats on a piece of white GatorFoam, and voila, a cheap two coat solution.

In my opinion, this gives definite contrast enhancement and deeper blacks than plain blackout cloth or the white GatorFoam surface. If you are looking for a quick down-and-dirty screen for your LCD projector, this took approx 3 hours total, most of that time was waiting for the coats to dry.

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The Surface Material:
GatorFoam Board (a foam core artist material used for poster mounting)
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The Paint:
Behr "Silver Screen" (770E-2) mix using Ultra Pure White (UPW) flat latex

Generic Formula of Behr SS:
1 gallon flat white latex base
20/48ths of Lamp Black
20/48ths of Raw Umber (a dark, murky yellow/orange-based pigment)
2/48ths of Red

NOTE: Wait for it to cure enough (about 2 weeks) before judging it. If you do it while it's still wet, you may see hot-spotting. It's like brewing a good lager beer, let it mellow a while, then decide.
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The Materials:
Foam Roller
Extension Pole
Paint mixing attachment for a hand power drill
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Projector Results using Pure Behr SS paint, on varying surfaces
(gleaned from comments on this thread)
(1) Great, Love it
(2) Satisfied, OK
(3) Not fully satisfied, but sticking with it while I look for something better
(4) I'm trying something else now


Benq 6200 (1)(1)(2)
BenQ PE7700 (1)
BenQ 8700 (4)
Dell 2200mp (1)
Epson Home20 (1)
Epson PowerLite Home 10+ (4)
Epson S1+ (2)
Hitachi CP-X300 (1)
Infocus X1 (1)(1)(1)(2)(3)(4)
Infocus 4805 (1)(1)(1)(1)(1)(2)(3)
Mitsubishi HC2 (?)
NEC HT-1000 (2)
NEC MT1065 (3)
Optoma H27 (1)
Optima H30 (1)
Optoma HD70 (1)
Panasonic PT-AE700U (1)(1)(1)(1)
Panasonic PT-L200u (4)
Panasonic PT-L300 (3)
Panasonic PT-L500U (1)(2)
Panasonic PT-L900 (1)(1)(1)
Sharp DT-400 (2)
Sharp PG A10x (3)
Sanyo Z1 (1)
Sanyo Z2 (1)(1)(1)(3)
Sanyo Z3 (1)(1)
Sanyo Z4 (1)
Sharp XR-1S (1)
Sharp XR-10X (1)
Sony HS-51 (1)(4)
Viewsonic PJ 551 (3)

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My Theater:
Screen: 80"x45" Behr Silverscreen painted over GatorFoam (Ser # 0001)
Primary Viewing Distance: 11'
Projector: Panasonic PT-L500U LCD (via 7.5m DVI cable)

Home Theater PC (HTPC):
- AMD Athlon 2600 (overclocked)
- Asus A7N8x Deluxe Motherboard
- 1GB Corsair PC3200 RAM
- ATI AIW 9000pro (DVI)
- myHTPC Software (v24)
- TheaterTek Movie Player Software
- Two 120GB SATA Drives (internal - setup in a Raid 0 Array)
- Six 160GB SATA Drives (external - USB)

Receiver: Panasonic SA-XR25 5.1 (via SPDIF)
Speakers: Cambridge Soundworks MovieWorks 108 Speaker System

HDTV: Projected via component video cables from a Verizon FiOS Digital HDTV settop box

Answers: Behr "Silverscreen" Paint ( AVS Forum DIY Screen Section )
Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I posted this in another thread but seems to fit here better, FWIW.
Rob

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...90#post3934490

Rob Hufstetler

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I too just finished my 4th coat of SS + 1/4 WOP. I'll try to post screenshots in the next few days.

mjolson

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I'm a bit behind you. Two coats and I need to wetsand.

ToddMcF2002

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by ToddMcF2002
I'm a bit behind you. Two coats and I need to wetsand.
Throughly soak that sponge, (it takes 2 - 5 minutes "floating") then squeeze as much water out of it as you can with several good squeezes. The sponge should be damp, and not leave what looks like a watery trail behind.

Wet sand with broad sweeping strokes that are applied with a "lay on the surface" pressure. Check the Sponge after 20- 30 strokes and see how evenly your receiving paint across the surface of the sponge, and adjust the pressure accordingly. You don't want to "Bulldoze" the surface with a heavy edge. If you can see scratches left behind you, you pressing too hard.

When the sanding surface of the sponge is evenly loaded with paint to the point you cannot see the "Gray" of the silicate, rinse (*scrub*) the surface clean, wring, and resume.

Smoothing is all you want, not gross removal of material. If you have a serious bump or ridge, apply specific attention to that one area until "ALMOST" even, then sweep across it and apply marginally harder pressure as you pass over it.

Simple, eh?

It's all common sense.

Oh yeah......, you should NEVER apply sanding to the final coat of a Flat finish. It may be flat, but that small degree of sheen that "smooth" adds helps give the image an added punch, but without any added glare. It's not a lot of difference, but at this stage, it's all cumlative. A lot of little, "It's done right." adds up to exemplary end results.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I'm going to go the same route as you guys for my 4805, but I have a few questions, as I've never really painted before.

What kind of roller do I use?
Is there a specific kind of sponge to use for the wetsanding?
I wetsand coats 1 & 2 and leave the 3rd?
Any other instructions?

I want to know what I'm doing before I ruin the paint job. Mississippi Man, I need your expertise here.

Thanks all,

Mark

Gentile

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by Gentile
I'm going to go the same route as you guys for my 4805, but I have a few questions, as I've never really painted before.

What kind of roller do I use?
Is there a specific kind of sponge to use for the wetsanding?
I wetsand coats 1 & 2 and leave the 3rd?
Any other instructions?

I want to know what I'm doing before I ruin the paint job. Mississippi Man, I need your expertise here.

Thanks all,

Mark
If you've never done wet-sanding before (and neither have I), why not try two thin coats straight without sanding. Throw an image up there and see what it looks like. If you're not satisfied, then try wet-sanding that finish. Correct me if I'm wrong MM, but you can always go forward, but not back.

EDIT: I used a foam roller as indicated in my initial thread details. If you review the beginning of this thread, it describes my process. Not that it is optimal for you, but it is what I did to start out this rat race.

bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

This weekend, it's on. I live with two women, (gf, and her best friend) and it's driving me insane. I need a project to burn off some pent up energy and frustration, adn it looks like its time to finally build my own screen.......

Jcoffey

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

One Man's Insanity is Another's Man's Genius


Quote:
Originally posted by Jcoffey
This weekend, it's on. I live with two women, (gf, and her best friend) and it's driving me insane. I need a project to burn off some pent up energy and frustration, adn it looks like its time to finally build my own screen.......
He lives with two women, married to neither, and they are best friends.

NOW THAT's a project whose logistics I'd like to explore!

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

On the wet sanding....

MississippiMan may kill me for saying this - but all I do is get sheets of water proof sand paper. I like 320 grit. I use alot of water - more the merrier, and use an orbital motion - keeping it random.

I did this on the SS/WOP mix and the Silver Metallic base coat for Light Fusion. Came out great.

ToddMcF2002

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Trust me MM, it's nowhere NEAR as fun and interesting as it sounds. THey both are on the same cycle, both only 22 fresh out of college, still act like high school kids, tons of drama between them,etc. Ya, it was a really good idea to fall for someone 8 years younger than me. Even better to let them both move in with me and distroy my bachlor pad and safe haven.LOL
Building a new screen will be a MUCH more enjoyable and exciting evening for me at this point......

Jcoffey

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by Jcoffey
Trust me MM, it's nowhere NEAR as fun and interesting as it sounds. THey both are on the same cycle, both only 22 fresh out of college, still act like high school kids, tons of drama between them,etc. Ya, it was a really good idea to fall for someone 8 years younger than me. Even better to let them both move in with me and distroy my bachlor pad and safe haven.LOL
Building a new screen will be a MUCH more enjoyable and exciting evening for me at this point......
I can wholeheartedly agree. I was in a similar situation prior to meeting my wife. It is NOT "Three's Company" or like anything you may read about in a "magazine". This is reality. If you think living with one woman is tough, let's just say the problems are not multiplicative, but more like exponential. And if they live together long enough, their cycles synchronize, and the term "perfect storm" comes to mind, every month.

Good luck J, I'm pullin for ya..

bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

You just made me shudder with that perfect storm comment. And lets not forget that since they're best friends, when one gets mad at me they BOTH get mad at me. And I have nowhere to run. Its a two bedroom loft apt. even if I run and hide, the bedrooms only have walls, not ceilings, so its still wide open............

Jcoffey

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

John Ritter is Spinning in His Grave.

As for me, having been raised with 8 sisters, I learned to cope, and how to keep 'em in line. Survival depends on being resilent & resourceful.

Since my Wife and I have passed the 25 year mark already, I must either have been doing something right, keeping secrets secret, or maybe I just met that "one in a Million.

..or been blessed with all three.

...........and as if I would have it any other way.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

true, plus you have plenty of space to work on prjects and what not.

I have 3 rooms and 2 bathrooms. I dont even have sanctuary in the bathrooms. On my throne........

Jcoffey

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Here's a collection of images that show the steps leading toward a Trim Job on a 112" diagonal Light Fusion Screen. If your gonna paint a screen, ya gotta go here sometime. And if your screen is is as big or bigger than 110" diagonal, you'll need to create a Blackout Trim Frame that is at least along the deminsions below.

3 lengths of 4 - 1/2" wide x 10' MDF Pre-Primed trim @ 14.25 ea.

I ripped the curve off to produce 4" even, Miter cutt the pieces, then wrapped and stapled on No# 10 Quality Black Felt. Finish nails hold the trim in place, nail set through & beneath the Felt into drywall and a few Studs.

Total cost including Felt......$50.00. But worth it to get a proffesional looking job.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

That looks great MMan. Very professional indeed. Nice pics too!

ToddMcF2002

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Guys,

I posted a bunch of SSWOP overlay shots in my gallery. The background is a white wall. The Pearlescent percentage is 30%.

Links are about 1/2 way down the thread. I'm looking for feedback!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...postid=4061337

Thanks!
- Todd

ToddMcF2002

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Checked that other thread, saw your worry about the earthtones looking "crushed"

To me--that's how those earthtones SHOULD look. I think they're a tad too bright and washed out on the rest of the screen. But then we're falling into the realm of personal preference. But to me--the colors on the SS/WOP mix (I feel weird typing out "WOP" as an italian ) seem a lot more natural. It doesn't look like a crush to me. I dunno.

Fatboy Roberts

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

You may be right. Sometimes its hard to judge against the white wall I'm so accustomed to. I'm trying very hard to remain objective - meaning I want to rush out and paint my whole wall this color. Before I do anything "Hasty" I need to finish my Light Fusion sample to see how it stacks up against this one.

One thing is for certain though - Grey screens are certainly *not* dead as people have suggested. I've got one of the projectors (BenQ 8700) that Grey screens are supposed to be dead for - and the proof is in the screenshots. Black levels are a totally different ballgame with SSWOP.

Grey is far from dead.

ToddMcF2002

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Gray as a neutral color is still an alternative, but very mundane as to it's potential to service the many different equations various PJs offer up. It can only do so much, less if the lumens are down, and still not enough if the brightness is exceptionally high, but contrast levels are down.
Darker Grays create inky blacks, but dull colors and crushed whites.

Which is why Gray's properties must be both mitigated and enhanced by the addition of other tints. The closer the match of screen attributes to any PJ, the better the end results will be. That's a "DUH" statement fer sure, but it seems like a lot of Gray advocates choose to ignore it anyway.

Silver Screen shows promise as a simple solution that outperforms a neutral Gray because it's component combination work together to do more than a neutral can alone. Reducing elements like Red Oxide or Raw Umber, or removing either of them altogether will affect other aspects of the solution. It's the whole combination together that creates the qualities that make Silver Screen different from other "closely configured" Flat Silver paint mixes.

Take the 50% of the Red out of any particular deep Blue mix and the results are exactly what I'm referring to.

No, only a overall dilution will compensate for undesirable traits that make themselves know to some. Others will note that the very traits that are in Silver Star are exactly what most expensive High Lumen LCD PJs need, yet I recall that the majority of all DIY'ers that are looking for a simple, cheap-out Screen, all have had X1s, Panny 300s, Z1's....you know, the budget PJs that usually lack severely in at least one critical dept. or another.

Panny and Sanyo LCD owners loved ME because the LCDs pumped out enough focused blue light to offset much of the "dulling" aspect that Gray added. Whites were/are the problem, but not so much as to make it an unwatchable experience. At least for most. Some disaffected types (Mfg. Screen owners or Sellers primarily...) loved to tout how "Blue" the whits were, but could not dare to offer any deserved & real accolades on SDE suppression and the EXTREME detail that the Thallo Green brought into the Gray mix.

Ahhhhhh...., Thallo Green. There was a time when countless minions desired to put some in everything but their Post Toasties.

Point of order; As of yesterday, upon looking and with what I could find, I counted no fewer than 4 - IF 4805 owners, 2 BenQ 8700 owners, 5 -X1 owners, 2 Panny 300 owners, and 4 -Z2 owners that are doing some type of MM Flat White w/ WOP mix at present. Let's not count my own 5 current varying projects, (...as well as 2 Custom LF screens for a couple of AVS'ers who has been more than patient....thanks Guys!) About 1/3 of 'em want to or have added teeny to itsybittsy amounts of Lamp Black, and a equal amount have opted to keep the "stick-adjusted" 1/96 oz droplet of Red Oxide in and out.

Neutral Gray? No Way! Do you grill your Steak with no seasonings? Eat your Salad with no Dressing? Drink Non-Alcoholic Beer?

Why settle for less. Spice helps everything, if you don't mismatch with the main ingredient, or use too much or too little.

Man...., now I'm hungry. Where's that beer?

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by MississippiMan
Man...., now I'm hungry. Where's that beer?
It's in the capable hands of the U.S. Postal Service. Should get there tomorrow or Monday. Hope you like the label

bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

HERE HERE MMAN!!!!!!!!
Well, much to the dislike of the gf (expressed with some strong language and a much raised voice) I'm going to HD and Hancock Fabricks tonight to buy a half gallon of the 2\3 to 1\3 SS\WOP mix and assorted supplies to build a screen with BO cloth stretched and painted with the mix to see how much better it can be than my light gray painted wall. More importantly to see how well it rejects ambient light, since my wall is lined with 4 huge factory windows that let ANY outside light in, making it completely unwatchable before dark. Any boost I can give to the image will be great. I was kind of dissapointed when I first hooked it up, since it hs 1300 lumens, and could be seen fine int he conference house at work. Only thing I can guess is it was on a drop down silver screen and it was running PC signals and not movies....

Jcoffey

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Jcoffey,

i'm going to go for the 2/3 SS to 1/3 WOP mix same as you. My room seems similar as well as I have 3 large windows on the wall the projector is mounted on. I am lucky though as the sun never shines directly on them and the blinds keep out most light.

You mention getting a half gallon of the mix. Are you getting them to mix the SS up and then get them to mix the WOP with it? Or are you buying a 1/2 gallon of each and mixing them yourself?

I'm making a 16:9 82" diag screen and need to know how much paint I need as I've never purchased paint before or even painted that much. I need newbie step by step instructions on what to tell the poor Home Depot person that I meet.

I have decided to nix the red oxide and go with the 2/48's raw umber. Not sure if I should leave the lamp black at 5/48'ths or change to 4/48'ths.

Oh yeah, pj is a 4805. Thanks,

Mark

Gentile

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I painted my 106" screen wall with 1.5 quarts of paint. A total of three coats.

Half gallon is enough.

ridetheducati

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by Gentile
Jcoffey,

i'm going to go for the 2/3 SS to 1/3 WOP mix same as you.

You mention getting a half gallon of the mix. Are you getting them to mix the SS up and then get them to mix the WOP with it? Or are you buying a 1/2 gallon of each and mixing them yourself?

Oh yeah, pj is a 4805. Thanks,

Mark
You can try adjusting the amounts, but since WOP comes in a quart Jar, and the least amount of SS Paint you can buy is 1 quart, the easiest way is to buy a Gallon can, the components to make 2 quarts of SS, and mix 1 quart of WOP in at the start, insuring a good blending.
2/3rds to 1/3rd. 3/4 gallon. Take the leftovers and paint it on any flat, smooth inexpensive surface for an impromptu screen you can set up outdoors, or wherever you might want to.

If you nix the RO, expect to lose some of the "Deep Silver" appearance. Silver Screen is what it is because of the components within it. Remove one and it's no longer Silver Screen. Try "REDUCING" or DILUTING" but never deletion.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Ya, I figured that would be the easiest ways to mix it.

Gentile I built 2 120" diag screens and used only one gallon of SS with 3 layers each.....

Jcoffey

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Ok, add another to your ranks... First post so be kind, please.

I've been lurking around and stumbled on this thread. I have a DIY BO screen, and just picked up a quart each of SS and WOP to play around with.

I have a Mitsu HC2 LCD (feel like a loner, not many of these floating around) and a hardboard for the test. Cheers.

jsflack

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Hey all, I picked up my screen materials yesterday, not sure when I'll get a chance to make it though.

I went with a quart of stock SS and mixed in 1/2 quart of WOP (they had 1/2 qt bottles of WOP at my Home Depot), so I have a 2:1 mix.

Only thing i'm worried about is the weight of 1/4 inch hardboard, that stuff ain't light. 1/8 seemed too wavy , even though I am making a frame for support.

I'll post my progress,

Mark

Gentile

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I figured you wouldnt be too pleased with the hardboard. Whatever you do, keep it out of humidity! One of my sample boards looks like a "C" now.

Please do keep us posted on your progress!

ToddMcF2002

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Gary... Bud and Bcortez brought up an interesting point, and that being incandescent lighting... I have virtually none in my room. Just one lamp with a shade and 60W bulb that's probably 20' away from the screen.

What would a sample look like if set to incandescent when the sampling is done? I know that's not the norm, but it would be an interesting test...

wbassett

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I just want to jump in here quick and give my Impressions of Behr SS. I tried adding polyurethane, opal, Behr silver all with very limited success. I've come to the comclusion that Behr Silverscreen made with the Ultra Pure White Flat is the best out of the can solution.

I'm using a Sony HS10 and projecting onto 130" with complete light control and dark ceiling, walls and floor. I've used SS for about 3 months and love the blacks and the way the Screendoor is reduced.

See this thread for pics Flans Theater

So there I said it! Go get some Silverscreen until there is a better solution and enjoy some movies!

Flan

mflanagan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Hey guys, Thanks for all the info. Man! 2 years of material in this thread! lol...I feel like I know some of you guys already! Quite the LONG read.

Anyway, I have a Sanyo Z4 I got a couple weeks back and right now I am just projecting onto the bare drywall in my theater room and everyone that sees it is blown away and can't believe it looks that good without a proper screen even! (it really does look suprisingly amazing actually)...can't wait for a screen

Well am I ever glad I found these forums cuz I been beatin' my head against a wall on what to get for a screen and how much $$$ am I gonna have to spend and try to justify to my wife!

I will be gettin myself some SS mixed as soon as my walls are ready for paint and let you know from there how it looks. Maybe try other mixes from there with some pearls and such.

Again thanks, especially to bcortez and MM!!

Steele006

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Im in that same boat.
Today I bought the screen materials including a 4x8 sheet of white powdercoated melanine. Im going to paint two coats (hope it sets ok) with the SS and after a few weeks add a layer of the polycrylic/opal/ss if need be.
The projector is the HD70 and I know there is a few people out there who will be interested in the results. (at least the newer guys like me).

Oh ya, Kudos to all for a useful thread that didn't turn into a bickering match every three post. This thread is constructive, that is why it has lasted.

JonathanG

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Not good. I just finished with rolling the first coat of Misty - Pearl - Poly. Extreemly uneven.
Is it possible to lightly sand after the final coat?

ace5000

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I am rolling on a finely textured plastic sheet. I am trying to follow the advanced with the finishing roller only. I had a problem when I tried to roll it on the floor. The sheet was too big. I hung it on the wall of my apt. only to notice that the first trird of the sheet (where I left off) went on much too thick. I just finished the second coat and the heavily painted area from the first coat is still visible.

Can I wet sand before the third coat? Any ideas on how to do this???

Thanks.

ace5000

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally Posted by tiddler
Yes! I know some people recommend wet sanding between coats.

The reason I started using the two roller method is because it took me too long to get the paint on using just the trim roller. The fuzzy roller allowed me to get the paint on quickly and the trim roller allowed me to smooth it out so there was not so heavy a texture from rolling.

I think you will have better luck with the panel hanging against the wall. Try not to put too much pressure on the roller. Press just enough for the roller to roll smoothly. When down rolling with the 6" trim roller only use just enough pressure to hold the roller against the surface. You should be able to get a surface almost as smooth as spray painting.

I was hoping someone would offer some help with wet sanding. All I know is that there are sanding sponges from 3M I think. I don't know if you can get them at Home Depot. If you search the forum for wet sanding you should find some info.

I'm inclined to attempt painting my BO cloth with Silver Screen since the BO so inexpensive. Anyone have any experience painting this substrate? What are the results?

FremontRich

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

just my experience...

I am using a 4x8 sheet of parkland polywall .060
I used a trim roller to apply one half the sheet with Behr UPW and the other half with Behr Silver Screen.

I am using an NEC MT1065 (3200 Lumen) Projector.

My initial thought was that the Silver Screen may enhance my blacks and mute the brightness a little.. what i found is that the UPW seems to look a little better and the SS seemed to dull the whole picture. I was a little disappointed I guess I expected a little more from the SS I may end up doing a little more testing with light controlled environment and distance testing. I guess I maybe I am expecting too much from a dated high output lcd projector.

ph0neman

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Thanks for the pics. I am about to build our new screen. My pj is an HD70.

Could you explain what you mean by "the right half has been coated with Behr Clear Flat Poly." Do you mean that by covering the SS with the clear poly the white section becomes lighter (whiter)? Are there any reflective factors. I want better blacks but not at the cost of gray whites.

Or do one's eyes compensate?

Thanks.

BTW: I spent 3+ years watching our X1 on a screen made with Behr Ultra White. I liked everything about it but the blacks.

Cyrano

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Newbie here....my wall has texture already on it....for the folks painting there walls did you guys sand the texture off....???? Or did you paint right over the texture? Has anybody considered these guys for a screen?
https://secure315.sectorlink.com/projectionwholesale/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=68

maxx25

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Thanks a lot tiddler. Sounds like the way to go!

I just need to be certain that there is no "sheen" at all. (sorry for the doubt - )

Cyrano

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Looks intersting Tiddler. What I mean by dull is that... I am trying to keep my brightness as true as possible while enhancing my blacks. The SS seemed to mute the whole picture a little and dull my whites and didnt really enhance the blacks (not signficantly anyway) It seems that the SS did not accomplish what I wanted it too.

Your results are interesting and promising.

Thanks for sharing your results Tiddler!

ph0neman

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

To the last three posters.

The texture can be sanded off but itís easier to sand a little and then fill the rest and then sand. Buy drywall joint compound. If you read post by me or others saying texture can be good we are talking about a different texture than what you are dealing with. Good texture is very fine and extremely constant.

Sheen is a relative term here. A little sheen goes a long way. What I have tried to accomplish with sheen lies between what paint manufactures call their lowest sheen levels. Picture maybe 5 or 10 sheens between matte and eggshell and thatís what we are most likely talking about. And not anyplace close to satin.

If you are using any neutral gray paint and you are crushing whites and not seeing blacks improve you have traveled way to far down the neutral gray scale. SS is too far IMO for most projectors. Thatís why you see a lot of mixes based around SS but adding white and or metallic. In the case of over graying top coating isnít going to bring you back enough. What the poly coat tiddler is talking about will add just a little extra pop I think.

bud16415

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

When using a bright white base, does multiple coats of SS / WOP make a big difference? Is one coat brighter than 3 coats? and how many is the correct amount?

jtempkin

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

based on everything that I have read and researched it appears to me that the SS/WOP has the largest percentage of positive results. I am not looking for 100% perfect, just a really great alternative. I realize that there are people who do not like this mixture however it is the only one that I have heard of that is acceptable by many many people.

jtempkin

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtempkin
based on everything that I have read and researched it appears to me that the SS/WOP has the largest percentage of positive results. I am not looking for 100% perfect, just a really great alternative. I realize that there are people who do not like this mixture however it is the only one that I have heard of that is acceptable by many many people.
Welcome to the AVS Forums!

Based on this thread, you may be right. But there have been considerable advancements made since SS/WOP, so I would encourage you to research some more current threads:

Grays - Simple one-can paints

Silver Fire mix

Garry

prof55

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Thanks for the links. I hadnt seen the thread on paint rolling. I have already purchased the silver screen an Wop, though I have not mixed yet. I was very interested in your pics about the topcoat. However, I found the slightly better white to be offset by a shift in skin tones. I was also concerned about the trouble other (more talented) individuals had in applying. Though after I have used the screen I'm painting for a few months maybe I will try anyway.

Back to the coating issue.......

When using the bright white undercoat, is there a huge difference after one coat vs 2 or 3? What is better, allowing white to bleed through or to cover it so only the SS/WOP shines? any advise or links would be great.

thanks

jtempkin

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Thanks Tiddler,

For all the great info... I just finished a rs-max/mud that I rolled but I'm not liking how it came out. It looks like the metallic is not uniform, so the light sky pictures look like it has a grey film over it.

Anyways, I pulled out some of my test pieces (white,SS,poly,etc...) and I'm still liking the mix of SS,flat white and a little poly.

I will be trying your Behr poly over the flat paint, but should I use a mix of SS and White or just pure SS?

Thanks

ktaillon

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Hi guys,

I finally painted up some test pieces. There was a few paint mixes other than the SS with matte poly over it (7 in all). After comparing the mix of SS/semigloss poly/white 1/1/1 to the SS with matte poly over, the SS w/polyover has much better blacks and lot less wash out from lights.

I did have one other mix that maybe Tiddler would like to try or maybe he already did. It uses two coats of gloss white as a base, then one coat of SS/Semi gloss Poly 1/1.
This mix had about the same blacks but a little better whites and the color seems to pop more.

I'm hoping for some feed back before I paint a new screen (again).

I'm going to see how much of the semi gloss poly I'm able to add to the SS before it hot spots. The 1/1 ratio that I used didn't even come close to hot spotting.

ktaillon

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Kool tests ktaillon!

My screen is 112" diagonal 16:9 and it looks AMAZING so far! I have only done 2 coats and now I'm gonna wet-sand and get ready for the next couple coats.
I'm messing around with a lighter mix of SS with a Pure White Pearl added at a 25% ratio, now I'm looking at adding some Poly to the mix thanks to Tiddler's reviews and your added touches.

I would like to see some pics if you had some to post.

Steele006

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

So......how many coats of poly ? :P

Steele006

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Great job tiddler on the research............I think the results should help folks that used Flat paints (low hardness) and just want a little more(Gain)& image pop that a harder surface adds.

I for one used an eggshell hardness right from the start and have been extremely happy. I have read this thread for some time now and have seen many of the Diy mixes evolve over time and most at some point add poly or some form of hardener to gain .....gain and picture pop.

Most of the effects of high pigment paint and hardness is not new to a lot of people,fairly common knowledge, but I must admit top coat really never crossed my mind as something that would add as much of a picture difference as your experiments show(after the fact). I like that it's a quick addition to an already existing screen and it does not force one to start from the beginning.

Great job

checklst

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Wow thanks Tiddler for all the research.

My question now is if I should add the Poly to the mix or just do it as a top-coat after the fact?

I only have 2 coats so far of a 1/2 tint of SS with a Pure White Pearl mixed in at a 25% ratio....my blacks are fairly good and the whites are still nice and bright at this point. (its alot lighter than SS)

My next step is to wet sand then do 1 or 2 more coats. I was going to go with an SS tint on the next coat with the Pearl mixed in and add some Poly....this would lighten up the SS and also boost my colors and whites from what I've seen from your's and other's research.

Thanks for the help.

Steele006

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I cannot find the Behr clear matte poly at home depot. What other stores carry Behr. Thanks.

jsil

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Or goto Benjamin Moore or whatever paint supplier...it doesn't have to be Behr, other companies make it as well. I personally used Benjamin Moore.

Steele006

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I've been lurking in this thread for a while. Last weekend I took the plunge and made a DIY screen using Behr Silverscreen (BSS) paint. Hope to have a write-up soon with some pictures.

The short of it goes like this: 3/4 inch MDF with 2 coats of Kilz2 (latex) primer, and 3 coats of BSS.

I had planned on two coats of BSS...My first layer of BSS was probably my best (in terms of quality), but I knew I needed a second coat. The second coat looked worse, so I rolled a third which turned out okay.

I ran out of paint, was running out of weekend, we needed the living room back (yes, I built and painted the screen in the living room, the garage/workshop is too cold for good painting right now).

Either way, I suppose there's always an (large?) amount of subjectiveness to screen quality... but in my opinion this stuff is AWESOME and its a huge improvement over watching movies on my 12 year old Sony Trinitron TV.

I probably didn't wait long enough for the paint to dry between my layers, which probably caused some of the unevenness. This wasn't due to trying to rush through the project, it was just me not understanding how long it really takes before the surface can be painted again.

So...many thanks to everyone in this forum and, in particular, this thread. Our family room is starting to look like a real movie theater.

rjfoster

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Thanks for the info, tiddler.

I did see that thread before, and I think it's actualy very clear and well written. I think it still takes practice, however -- and I practiced on my screen.

I figured at worse case, I can always sand and re-paint. Best case, it might actually come out looking nice. (Some golfer (Sam Snead?) was asked why he never takes a practice shot, to which he replied, "I didn't want to waste it, it might have been a good one".)

Thanks again. -r

rjfoster

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

This application soon to be compared to newer paint solutions.

How will one of the "original 1 Can Wonder' paints stack up to the newer "Grays" and Metallics?

......could be interesting.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally Posted by ph0neman
I am using an NEC MT1065 (3200 Lumen) Projector.

My initial thought was that the Silver Screen may enhance my blacks and mute the brightness a little.. what i found is that the UPW seems to look a little better and the SS seemed to dull the whole picture. I was a little disappointed I guess I expected a little more from the SS I may end up doing a little more testing with light controlled environment and distance testing. I guess I maybe I am expecting too much from a dated high output lcd projector.
I added your experience to the first post (listing the feedback for all the projectors mentioned in this thread and the prformance of each reported).

Thanks for trying Behr SS out, and I hope you find what you're looking for without spendng too much $$ and time.


bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Hey Mr "B",

Thought you'd like to know that I'm giving SS a whirl with three other "Grays" and a couple "Whites" in a Test & Comparison I'm about to undertake using some "Up to date" PJs, such as the Panny AX100u, Z5, and a JVC DLA HD1.

Some of this is because of the needed justification and verification of the visual examples of Silver Fire recently posted. But I thought of your application and decided that when using these PJs, it should be in there swinging with the others.

Silver Fire "Light & Dark"
FinEasy6
Silver Screen

RS-MaxxMudd Super Light
UPW / w-Poly Top Coat.

Keep the Faith high and the Beer cold

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by tvted
Get on with it man.
I've always read your comments on things as I find you to be one of the keener observers in these here parts - your taste in Colour Temp. notwithstanding.

I will look for further comments in the official thread and not continue to muddy this one - after all it is about painting a screen.

Thanks,
ted
Well, I guess you're the Charter member of the Rgb fan club .

You'll be getting your membership card in the mail .

Any further AE700 commentary will be in the big AE700 threads...

Rgb

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by 1Time

And then if that wasn't enough, what really set me back was panel 5, the ME with an eggshell finish (zero hot-spotting). It made panels 1 and 2 look dingy, like they had a gray film over them. Panel 5's whites were brighter and "right", and the same with the blues of the sky which looked real. Out of the 3 I continually found myself wanting to watch the ME panel...
This post brings up some basic questions, such as whether the ME panel looked "better" due to the eggshell finish or due to the color of ME compared to SS.

After spending a few hours (okay, days) reading posts, I haven't found any clear answers on the use of an eggshell finish. Semi-gloss is clearly too shinny, flat is clearly safe, but I see very little posted about eggshell and satin. This is a pretty basic variable, so someone must have tried it before all these exotic mixes were developed.

I think that I'll try Bombadil Gray w/ an eggshell finish. It will be a few weeks before I can let you know how it turns out.

rickirick

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by rickirick
This post brings up some basic questions, such as whether the ME panel looked "better" due to the eggshell finish or due to the color of ME compared to SS.
I've not compared ME eggshell and ME flat. I'm guessing many who say to only use ME flat have not tried ME eggshell. And I don't recall anyone posting about a problem they've had with ME eggshell. My guess is there's not much difference at all between them; I'm guessing easily less than 5%, if any visual difference at all. So I fairly confident the ME eggshell panel looked so much better than the others because it was ME and not because it had an eggshell finish.

Quote:

After spending a few hours (okay, days) reading posts, I haven't found any clear answers on the use of an eggshell finish. Semi-gloss is clearly too shinny, flat is clearly safe, but I see very little posted about eggshell and satin. This is a pretty basic variable, so someone must have tried it before all these exotic mixes were developed.


Although I found zero problems with using ME eggshell, the only other finish I'd feel safe trying would be flat.

1Time

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Has anyone tried, Goo CRT white on top of the Silver Metalic or Silver Screen?
I have a 120" space on the wall, that I would love to fill.
I also got a few quarts of CRT white, but I don't like the crt white alone (SONY HS20). The size of the image precludes me from using the Parkland solution. (Any suggestions on deliverd larger then 4x8 hard board etc.?).

The Silver Metalic (I actually have a ceiling in a dark room of the house painted with it!), is a bit too much. So I wonder. Silver Metalic Base, one silver screen and goo crt white on top?

Anyone.

izsakmixer

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Better yet, has anyone tried a layer of "clearcoat" between the silver metalic and top coat, to achive the same "effect" as the parkland solution to those who want a bigger screen?

izsakmixer

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I'd be more interested in trying the Goo with a base coat of Rustoleum 7715 (aluminum) than the SM. I'd put an oil based primer down first, the 7715, then the Goo. You might try a local lumber yard for sizes greater than 4'x8'.

1Time

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by izsakmixer
Better yet, has anyone tried a layer of "clearcoat" between the silver metalic and top coat, to achive the same "effect" as the parkland solution to those who want a bigger screen?
Fatboy Roberts just finished one and techie is almost done his.

I was thinking 'Fatboy' would be an appropriate name for this SM/CM/MM version since its got to be the thickest paint the wall scheme to date.

ender611

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I like "The Fatboy Variation" or "The Fatboy."

I like ego-tripping off having a screen named after my attempt to fix my own screwup

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6&pagenumber=2

Fatboy Roberts

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

You deserve a trip of some sort after that thread you initiated to draw interest to the silver under clear direction. So what if you ended up somewhere else ( allot of real world discoveries have that in common ). Bottom line is you still were the first.

See, this silverscreen thread keeps rising to the top even if noone is talking about silverscreen. Stuff must have magical qualities.

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ender611

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

yeah, but Techie's didn't seem to go well. I'm gonna try and find that thread..

Fatboy Roberts

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Bcortez - What paint did you use for the SS mix, ie the base the color was mixed into? Was it flat, satin, matte, etc?

Thinking of doing the same and was planning to try Behr Ultra White Flat and rolling it on.

schooner2000

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

schooner2000,

Since I keep getting asked the same question over and over, I've updated the first post with this info. Please go to the first post in this thread for your answer.

Thanks.

bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by ericdwong
Can't comment on the one coat nor the SS alone cause I never tried it.

The WOP was already on the shelf, it isnt a mix. Its also $18 a quart grrr.

As for the little bumps, depends on how little the bumps are. Mine were pretty small, and from 13 feet back you cant see them at all.
Eric! Where the heck have you been man! (it's whitemax if you couldnt figure that out )

Jcoffey

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Has anyone measured the gain using SS paint? I read above the assumed gain is not less than 1.0. Do you happen to know the gain of standard BO cloth?

Thanks,

Tweakophyte

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by 1Time
I'd be more interested in trying the Goo with a base coat of Rustoleum 7715 (aluminum) than the SM. I'd put an oil based primer down first, the 7715, then the Goo. You might try a local lumber yard for sizes greater than 4'x8'.
Hi 1Time,

I've tried the Rustoleum aluminum paint. It's definitely a high gain screen but the view is very narrow. If you are directly in the middle of the screen, it gives you a major reflectivity boost/gain. However, once you're off axis, the image will look flat and washed out. I have some screenshots of the aluminum painted screen that I will try to post up later.

I find that most silver screens are too bright in a room with total light control. The colours tend to get shifted/tinted compared to a good bright white screen such as the Behr Ultra Pure White and Carada Brilliant White. The lower gain white screens are easier on the eyes unless you plan to watch the projected image in a well-lit room or if ambient lighting is unavoidable.

PerfectionHunter

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by Tweakophyte
Has anyone measured the gain using SS paint? I read above the assumed gain is not less than 1.0.
Where did you read that? Its light gray paint so its less than 1.0

RalphArch

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

If my Parkland is a 1.0 gain, then from the comparisons I've done I'd guess SS is around a 0.8 gain.

1Time

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Has anyone measured the gain using SS paint? I read above the assumed gain is not less than 1.0.
Quote:
Originally posted by RalphArch
Where did you read that? Its light gray paint so its less than 1.0
Like I said, a few posts above.

Again, has anyone measured the gain? Does grey automatically imply a gain of <1.0?

Thanks,

Tweakophyte

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally posted by Tweakophyte
Like I said, a few posts above.

Again, has anyone measured the gain? Does grey automatically imply a gain of <1.0?

Thanks,
I've not measured gain. Gray does not automatically imply a gain of < 1.0.

1Time

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

But gray paint does and you don't necessariyly need to have it measured to know that gray paint reflects less light than magnesium dioxide white paint - especially if there are no particular reflective enhancements in the paint as is the case with SS with just pigments and base. See this projector central discussion

I believe RGB just made a bad assumption about no less than 1.0 gain for SS

RalphArch

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Completed a Silver Screen (Behr 770E-2) this morning.
Almost stopped after a first coat of Kilz, good thing I didnít.
Great blues, blacker blacks, and impressive overall color I hadnít seen before.
Had been projecting on an orange peeled drywall with white paint.
Sanded down the orange peel, only a little because it was like iron.
Smoothed the surface with 90 minute drywall mix, 6 times over two days.
One coat of Kilz and a coat of Silver screen. Awesome difference.
Have suffered with ambient light issues with the white wall. Now Iíve even cracked open the shades a bit.
Thanks everyone for posting their experiences.
All on the cheap, I'm happy!

conradsky

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I just did the same thing in my living room. Sanded it a bit smoother, still not glass like but no one seems to notice. I watched a few things on just the Kilz primer and then put on the SSWOP like I did in my bedroom. The colors do come out way better. This time as a second coat I added some of the Kilz with the SSWOP to lighten it up and I like it. A bit brighter and still good colors. I'll stick with this awhile.

Kram207

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

what paintor type of board should i use for a sanyo z3. was planning on using the hardboard from home depot with the kilz primer and the behr silverscreen

dmowry

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Just finished my 119" SS over three coates of Kilz and WOW! I never thought I could have such a quality picture in my own home. Thanks to everyone for all the valueable advice. This is my first HT project and so far I couldn't be happier. I am still working on the ceiling and walls so can't really enjoy it completely yet but getting there.

Thanks Again,

Brad Generous
Palmer, Alaska

bgenerous

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Has anyone tried painting one of these DIY screens on ebay from a seller named "moakes" ?

I just got my first projector, an Optoma EzPro 745. Right now I'm using it with a plain white wall. I've shopped around for Gatorboard and the like, and haven't found ANYTHING locally, so I figured I'd give this DIY kit off ebay a try.

I have some Silverscreen leftover from a project last summer...would it be worth it to paint this type of screen? Can this type of screen even be painted well? I only have access to rollers right now, so I won't be spraying anything.

Kaido

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I picked up some paint chips from HD the other day, SS (and couldn't find ME) but grabbed some other glidden chips. I found a glidden color called silvery moonlight. I compared these chips to a sample of Da-Lite HCCV material (as a reference).

I noticed that the chips have different "tint bias", i.e. the SS had a pinkish hue to it vs the HCCV or the Silvery Moonlight (which was lighter, but seemed tint neutral).

My question is (for a Panny AE700) is there a tint bias that is beneficial for a given projector?

I don't have the PJ yet, so I don't know if the native colors are +/- pinkish/greenish/blueish and if a small tint in the screen color would help to offset or enhance the image (kinda like a filter on the lens) .

Thanks!

Sandwedg

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Personally, my opinion is the slight red-shift is a plus for the Panny L500U I have ceiling mounted, since projecting upon the pure white had a bit of a colder blue-shift. I find the warmer shift toward the red not only balances that out, but gives me the warm facial tones I like.

It may not have the "color neutral" aspect of a flat grey, but then, who has a flat grey complexion (other than those little guys that keep barging into my room late at night to take me for a ride).

Remember, this is my opinion, from my experience, in my theater. And since the SuperBowl looked GREAT on my SS screen....and everyone LOVED it and had a grand time, why should I complain about a 92" screen!!

As always, YMMV..... Good luck.

bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

"Remember, this is my opinion, from my experience, in my theater. And since the SuperBowl looked GREAT on my SS screen....and everyone LOVED it and had a grand time, why should I complain about a 92" screen!!"


...why indeed.

Pass this tip on.

2 parts SS - 1 part WOP - 2 Oz. Behr Silver Metallic
16 Oz. distilled water


It's High Gain - no Pain, baby!

Yeah, I know it just upped the ante to $50.00,
.but SS would never punch out an image coming from a 800 lumen PJ like this formula would.

Me? I use 1:1:1 MMud with 2 Oz SM and can now watch the PJ with the Cn lights turn all the way up.

That's what I said.

Light off? It's the Gol Dundest Brightest screen I even seen that came from paint. Of course this was from a thin application of my MMud -SE- Mix upon a Mirror, but if one has a Board or wall, and applies 3 very smooth even coats, it only stands to reason that anyone with a stock SS screen and some paint left over can easily upgrade to the SS-WOP-SM application.

Succesfull results? I'd stake my 1800 + posts on it.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

to: MississippiMan

[2 parts SS - 1 part WOP - 2 Oz. Behr Silver Metallic
16 Oz. distilled water]

What does a "Part" equal? Is it a cup? is WOP White Opal Pearlecent?

Gary Damico

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

A "Part" is a unit of specific measure that is duplicated within a Mix.
Once that unit of measure is ascertained, it can then be used as a Fraction or Multiplier

To wit; A 3 quart MMud mixture contains.......,

1 part (1 quart) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 quart) Deep Base
1 part (1 quart) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

You could call the use of the term "Part" a colloquialism that allows for the amount of the "Part" to be whatever the Author intends. some one mixing up a Big Batch of MMud would then use the term "Part" to illustrate the following;

1 part (1 Gallon) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 Gallon) Deep Base
1 part (1 Gallon) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

or a smaller version....,

1 part (1 pint) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 pint) Deep Base
1 part (1 pint) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

.or a combination...,

1 part (1 pint) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 pint) Deep Base
2 parts (2 pints) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

Get the picture?

You better. There's a Pop Quiz on Friday and it counts for 30% of your Grade this semester.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

ALWAYS use the rubberized side of BO Cloth. 99% of the stories seen on AVS about using the cloth side are tragedies.

And use BO Cloth ONLY if you feel it's the only applicable substrate for your situation.

Otherwise, almost any "Board" will give more consistant results, and demand less work because "framing and stretching" is not a pre requisite.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Alright I'll try it again with the other side of the cloth. While I am at JoAnn's to get more cloth I'll take a look at some other stuff that is maybe not as absorbant. Something with sort of a "plasticy" feeling such a vinyl etc.

usfishin

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Well I started mixing different formulas with the SS, and here's what I ended up with.

20 oz. of UPW
8 oz. of SS
4 oz. of White Pearl medium from Michael's
2 Oz. of Silver Metallic from Michael's

As stated in my previous post, the SS was too dingy for my setup. However, there were some benefits of the SS that I could see. So I was sure the SS would end up in my mix somewhere. The red (one droplet) that is in SS helped my LCD PJ, as they tend to need a little boost in the red spectrum.
What I ended up with in the end is a very light gray color with a little shimmer from the pearl. I am still not sure what role the Silver metallic played in the formula other than adding a little more gray color to the mix. I am extremely happy with the final product and wish to thank all for their post and input. I do believe SS has a permanent place in the DIY screen section. Please keep in mind this is what DIY is all about - experimentation with what works best for you. Take care and happy Projectoring!

concours_greg

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

After many weeks of reading this section, and changing my mind on what to do over and over again I finally just decided to go with with a 102" SS painted screen directly on to drywall. I'm so glad I did..looks excellent IMO and was very easy.

I guess the tables turned when I used my new Z4 against my lite-brown wall to test it when I first got it. It looked fine to me! (Granted I have a red-green deficiency in my sight). I thought to myself "why go through the pain when there is a solution that is SO easy". I used a 6mm foam roller and have no roller marks. 2" pine wrapped in black velvet (thanks for recommendation MM) for the faux frame. I could not be happier, just in time for the olympics--of course I get called away for a week for work .

SS is great for my set up, I like to watch alot of hockey so the what some people call dark probably saves my eyeballs from the glare of the ice.

Down the road i will probably try some other mixtures, but for now "ignorance is bliss" as they say.

Thought I would throw in a couple of pics
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...nkgeo/nemo.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...inProgress.jpg

drunkgeo

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Nice deep coloration. I bet the image on screen almost looks like it has texture, so deep is the contrast.

A suggestion that still keeps it "SS" oriented and still simple as well.

Take 1 quart of MinWax "Waterbased" Polyurethane -Satin- plus 6.5 Oz. SS, mix well, and apply it over that last coat with the same type roller.

SilverScreen with "POP".

BCortez...., I'll take a 6 of Pilsner.

MississippiMan

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

So you are saying 1 coat of SS for a base then 1 coat of Minwaw/SS as a top coat? What is the POP? Brighter colors? I guess I'm just asking what does the Minwax do? Thank you.

drz400

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Hey guys I have been reading a lot about DIY screens, I just got rid of my Infocus 4805 for a Sanyo Z4... I am projecting 110" image onto a white wall that is only primed right now and the image looks great. I was wondering what kind of luck people were having with Behr SS on a Sanyo Z4, and if there are any better options out there.

mgarozzo

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

I'm interested also if Behr SilverScreen would be useable with the 4805 in a dark room, and which surface to use. I picked up some 4x8 white wallboard at HD, I guess SilverScreen is out of vogue nowadays?

ChrisKen

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisKen
...I guess SilverScreen is out of vogue nowadays?
Says who? Just because it's not "new", doesn't diminish it's abilities and/or low cost, does it? I'm STILL using my original SS screen, and quite happliy I might add. Also, if you actually read the posts there are many that also are still enjoying their screen, and have not found anything worth the time and extra $$ that could provide enough incremental improvement. Especially the few that painted their entire wall with this, to get both WAF and a ready-made screen surface when needed.

bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

Gee, I just took all of 5 seconds to do a search in this thread for "4805". I found only 2 pages of responses, once of which has actual screenshots from a 4805 on a 100" Behr SS screen. Heres the links to the post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...05#post6356194)

<rant>The thread search tool is VERY useful folks. It takes a heck of a lot longer than this to get the answer to a question that has already been answered over and over. </rant>

bcortez

Behr "Silverscreen" Paint

[quote=bcortez]Says who? Just because it's not "new", doesn't diminish it's abilities and/or low cost, does it?
QUOTE]

The nerve of some people, eh BCortez? Forgive them, for they know not what they say.....

If ChrisKen gives it a go, and adjusts the formula (...or more correctly makes the "one Can" mix lighter....) he'll come to the conclusion that it is a great paint solution that comes cheaply, AND adjustable


Disclaimer;
MMan here, writing from CMRA's PC. Hold him not responsible for any content so ventured. I'm not re-logging on as myself to avoid dumping his "cookies".

CMRA

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