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Updated: 2008-05-16 15:41:41 (32050)
Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Samsung 2006 HLSxx87W/HLSxx88W (1080p) Series Owner's thread

Now that the 2006 TVs are shipping, we need somewhere to talk about them specifically! This thread will contain information on the HL-Sxx87W and HL-Sxx88W series of 2006 Samsung DLPs.

Samsung links:

Press Release

HL-S5087W
Product Page: Coming Soon!
PDF Spec Sheet: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...es/hls5087.pdf

HL-S5687W
Product Page: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...S5687WXXAA.asp
PDF Spec Sheet: Coming Soon!

HL-S6187W
Product Page: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...S6187WXXAA.asp
PDF Spec Sheet: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/...s6187_final.pdf

HL-S6187W

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Answers: Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models ( AVS Forum Rear Projection Units )
Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quisp
During Avical’s December ’06 Northwest Calibration tour, David Abrams stopped by and calibrated my new Samsung HL-S6188 DLP display.
Thanks for the report. I've added it to the list linked at the bottom of my post.

htwaits

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShapS
How are the S5687's calibrated out of the box? I have not done any adjustments besides normal user adjustments. I'm just wondering if its worth the time or money to have it calibrated? Is there a big difference with this set, or is it already really good?
Look one post above yours, and then look one post below yours.

htwaits

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Quote:
Originally Posted by funny guy
Pincushion is part of the design of RP sets and not fixable if I remember correctly.



Just make sure the warranty is not a "only Joe Blow can come fix yer TV if da ol' pick up is runnin' " service. Nothing like finding out after the factory warranty is up and you can't buy another EW.



Here is that magic page for everything HL_SXX87W/88W;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=697413
Thanks for the info. I found that the warranty is a GE warranty.

Tsantsa

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Greetings all!!

Ive been a lurker here for a few months now and appreciate everyones input. I have taken the plunge and will soon be an owner of a Sammy 6187...I hope. Seems as though supply's of the 6187 have run short of demand at this point. I ordered the set back on Dec. 24th when Fry's had them on sale. I tried to get local B&M's to price match, but was soundly rebuked.

I'm sure that I'm not the only person who has one on order at this point, so I thought I would post prematurely (as I am not an owner yet..) and see if any others are waiting, and what they are being told as to estimated dates. I got my stand, my new HDMI DVD, and HDMI receiver in, cables from Mono will be here tommorow, and am now chomping at the bit to get the set.

It seems that all of the local B&Ms are awaiting shipments now as well.

REDCELL

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Is there any way to adjust the preset zoom in the Serive Menu, so it would not over zoom, Or make a custom zoom ?

ppajko

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdym
I had some questions about the HLS5687 model I was hoping some of you might be able to help me with. I looking to upgrade my current set and have narrowed my search down to the Samsung HLS5687 and the Sony 50A2000. For the Samsung 5687 I had some lingering questions:

1. I plan to use it for my Xbox 360, how do games seem to play, any lag.
2. The CNET review indicated that this model could not fully resolve the 1080i test pattern and that the component inputs had a softer look than the HDMI, is this really a noticible issue.
3. How is the VGA input as I have the HD-DVD drive for the 360, I have heard this is a problem on the sxrd sets and was hoping the Samsung set did not share this problem.

Thanks for any input you can give.
I have a similar setup to you.

1. No issues with lag. Rear projection does not have latency issues like plasma and lcd. Those little mirrors can refresh 15K times a second.
2. Not anything I am going to notice. Have you seen CNET's test bed? Pretty complex and they have the gear. As for you and I, Xbox 360 is going to upscale to 1080p. Unless you have a HD source like a hi-def camcorder, I wouldnt get to hung up here.
3. The VGA cable with HD-DVD drive is amazing. Upconversion for SD-DVD is amazing as well. No problem with the sammy. You will have to position and scale your screen most likely.

Kevin
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HL-S5687
Sony 5.1 Recvr
Polk Surround
Xbox 360 - w/ HD-DVD
Xbox - XBMC Dashboard
PureAV Power Conditioning

K-Dawg

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I have a question


I just bought a hls6187 and am pretty happy so far

I also have a new HP media center computer. I had intended on upgrading the media center with a new video card and connecting it to the TV with dvi or hdmi. I see in the manual it says you cannot do this. Does anyone know why? In the mean time I have connected it using vga. Why would it not work with dvi /hdmi ?

burtonlinx

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by burtonlinx
Why would it not work with dvi /hdmi ?
It will work just fine. Samsung doesn't want you calling them with computer questions.

htwaits

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i call for confirm on ship date in 4 days

evilklown

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinecrest
The tech told me that my light engine, an Oct 2006 Build HLS5087 had the newer light engine already in place.
Interesting...

I wonder how far we can trace these back.

bruce banner

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Quote:
Originally Posted by PilotMan
Im looking for the same fix for the zoom problem. The zoom is not great at all. When watching a 4:3 picture that is letter box, if you hit the aspect size button and goto zoom1, it stretches the picture. I ordered the service manual and looked for a setting but nothing I can put my finger on or understand.
Hmm.. Zoom1 doesn't stretch material for me, just blows it up. Unfortunately, it blows it up too much and ends up cutting off a substantial portion of the top and bottom (and for all I know, the sides). Battlestar Galactica looks great and it usually doesn't make too much of a difference, but a substantial portion is definitely cut off (as evidenced by the half cut off Sci-Fi logo, and the "scenes from next week" which are nearly half cut off at the end of the show (since they're displayed in the upper half of the frame). Zoom2 does some kind of weird stretching which I'm not fond of.

leshrac55

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinecrest
I don't know, but it could have easily been an environmental factor that caused the bowing on some runs of the screen. For instance, they could have cooled too quickly or been stored improperly, etc. Any number of things could have caused the bowing to occur, and may not be anything related to the construction or material used on the screens.

You can use the same recipe for two batches of biscuits and one can be burned and hard as a brick and the other light and fluffy and perfectly browned. It's all in how you cook it.
Let us know how your screen replacement goes if you go that route ....

ds_1910

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce banner
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinecrest
The tech told me that my light engine, an Oct 2006 Build HLS5087 had the newer light engine already in place.
Interesting...

I wonder how far we can trace these back.
Are there other confirmations that Oct 2006 builds carried a newer LE? And also, I suppose, any confirmation that the new LE's will fix the problem?

MNMatthias

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by MNMatthias
Are there other confirmations that Oct 2006 builds carried a newer LE? And also, I suppose, any confirmation that the new LE's will fix the problem?
Quote:
Originally Posted by djoberg
I am somewhat informed out of necessity; I decided to educate myself when my light tunnel collapsed about a month ago. The only way to know if you have the newly designed LE is to know the part number, which was on the box that the LE was in when the service tech came to install it. Or, one would think it would be on the LE itself, so you could open up your set to check it out. My old part number was: BP91-02061A. My new number is: BP96-01640A. The "A" on the end represents the 50" model. If you had a 56" it would be "B," 61" would be "C," and 67" would be "D."

I'm sure your service tech put your old LE in the box and took it with him, for the box had a return label on it for sending the old one back to Samsung. So, if you don't want the hassle of opening up your set, you could call your service center and ask them what the part number is. They will no doubt have it in their records.

I should add that there are some naysayers out there who refuse to believe that Samsung has gone to the trouble of redesigning the LE, and thus they believe we are getting refurbished products (i.e. a repaired LE). But my service tech maintained that the LE he ordered was brand new, and that it was newly designed. And to me it makes sense that Samsung would redesign a part that potentially could keep breaking down time and time again. It would be in their best (financial) interest to do so.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9604071

Take no offense...I've always wanted to say this as it's been said to me before...it feels like a right of passage....so here goes, "Search is your friend".

Keep in mind, I added the word "NEW" to the attached screencap. I based it on djoberg's post.

120inna55

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by MNMatthias
And also, I suppose, any confirmation that the new LE's will fix the problem?
I'm sure Samsung would not have replace the light engine with a new version if there wasn't anything wrong with it.


bruce banner

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Hehehe...good stuff, Bruce.

Anyways, it's kind of surprising to see that you can purchase the old light engine (BP91-02061x) as well as the "new" one (BP96-01640x) from Samsung.

120inna55

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by ds_1910
Let us know how your screen replacement goes if you go that route ....
Screen Replacement will not solve the problem. Also unless its out more than you state its in spec and Sammy wont do jack. My service guys swapped out 6 of them for one customer and NON were any better.

The older DLPs HLNs etc. Had a more ridgid frame that kept the geometry in check better. Cost cutting etc. has dummied up the box and cheapened it to plastic and not metal etc.

You will not notice on full size picture anyway - I just live with it.

I posted details about his in the 14,000 post range....

Ja Mata

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce banner
I'm sure Samsung would not have replace the light engine with a new version if there wasn't anything wrong with it.


Nice one!

I think its worth pointing out, for the fearful newbies, that Samsung sold many HLSes during the time frame in question. Not all of them had LE problems.

Is it just me or does it seem that the hot topics on this forum oscillate between:

Pincushion > Overscan > LE Failures > Whining Noise

with each "batch" of new owners?

"Search" is your friend as most issues have already been resolved. But like all friendships it requires an effort of both parties!


"So it goes..." - Kurt Vonnegut

Muad Dib

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They are BLOWING them out now at $1600-1700

I want one that has some decent design engineering and QUALITY CONTROL WITH A CUSTOMER SERVICE ORGANIZATION BEHIND IT.

Pretty Much - SAMSUNG SUCK! ..and I have been a Huge Samsung supporter and Junkie.

SAMSUNG DLP OWNERSHIP HISTORY - Summary:

SAMSUNG DLP #1 - Worked for about 120 hours. 7 service call and replacement of all parts still not fixed. 4 1/2 months spent getting a replacement. CableCard Functions properly. Sample failure picture here:

SAMSUNG DLP #2 - Worked for 1:45 until the light engine failed streaking pink and white all over the image. CableCard inoperable on ESPNHD (channel 939) and Times Warner indicates this a recurring problem with the late model Samsungs on this channel. Sample failure (nice pink sparkles) picture here:

SAMSUNG DLP #3 - Out of the box error messages not diagnosable. One such nonsensical message was 'check fan number three' - Samsung Service indicated there is only TWO fans in the unit...hmmm Bad picture with brilliant white sparkles all over it. Two more service calls and ten of hours on the phone. CableCard inoperable on ESPNHD (channel 939) and Times Warner indicates this a recurring problem with the late model Samsungs on this channel.

SAMSUNG DLP #4 - Almost immediately it would 'lock-up' necessitating a 're-set' by unplugging the television. Television would start up - bulb would light (you can see it in back to the TV) but you could not get a picture on any input. Unit would shut off for no reason. Then while awaiting a solution the television would not longer show any television details (volume/input/picture mode etc). CableCard inoperable on ESPNHD (channel 939) and Times Warner indicates this a recurring problem with the late model Samsungs on this channel. Movie of the inoperability of the screen indicators of mode/volume etc:

SAMSUNG DLP #5 - is the one described in this note - It has a image problem that leaves a two (2) 7/8 circle of about 4" on the screen as well as scattered light lines emanating from the bottom center of the screen. I have been on hold and cut off with Executive Customer Service (1 800 529 0290) for over two and one half hours today without speaking with anyone yet. CableCard inoperable on ESPNHD (channel 939) and Times Warner indicates this a recurring problem with the late model Samsungs on this channel. Sample Picture Here. This is very irritating as you can see these same flaw/artifacts in nearly every dark transition.


I have been promised a call back in 48 hours seven (7) times now from Exec. Cust. Service to remedy TV number 5's problems. The just blow smoke out of their A$$es.

Ja Mata

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

I'm baffled by the huge range of experiences we see with Samsung customer service. I truly don't get it. My experience was nearly perfect. Ja Mata's is intolerable. How can that be?

I was told if my screen was backordered for more than a few days, they'd replace the entire set, and yet Ja Mata can't even get anyone to call him back. Bizarre.

Pinecrest

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

reading through only a partial chunk of this gigantic thread has finally steered me away from purchasing the 87 and 88 series of this generation. Hopefully the new models due out in a few months will iron out most of the issues (pincushioning seems terribly prevalent right now) and the reliability should be known by the end of this year. Overall the PQ is still a price bargain but based on the amount of servicing these things have required its no wonder futureshop has stopped carrying dlps all together.

jamessh1

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinecrest
I'm baffled by the huge range of experiences we see with Samsung customer service. I truly don't get it. My experience was nearly perfect. Ja Mata's is intolerable. How can that be?

I was told if my screen was backordered for more than a few days, they'd replace the entire set, and yet Ja Mata can't even get anyone to call him back. Bizarre.
My feelings also. I have nothing but good things to say about Samsung's customer service. When I called about my "old" SIR360 D* STB, they worked with me until we found a solution. When I called about the 6187, they had no problem sending out someone. Compare that with Sony (at least 50% of my A/V equipment)....well, don't get me started!

peteranton

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This has probably been answered but way to many pages to find.
I have a high pitch sound coming from my 6187 tv when it's turned off.Is this normal or do I need to trade it back in while I'm in my return window?

SPaZZdOG

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja Mata
Screen Replacement will not solve the problem. Also unless its out more than you state its in spec and Sammy wont do jack. My service guys swapped out 6 of them for one customer and NON were any better.

The older DLPs HLNs etc. Had a more ridgid frame that kept the geometry in check better. Cost cutting etc. has dummied up the box and cheapened it to plastic and not metal etc.

You will not notice on full size picture anyway - I just live with it.

I posted details about his in the 14,000 post range....
If you don't think pincushion is noticeable in 16:9, check this picture of a frame from DVE: The inside speaker edges should be straight and vertical.

sfmartin

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by sfmartin
If you don't think pincushion is noticeable in 16:9, check this picture of a frame from DVE: The inside speaker edges should be straight and vertical.
Yeah, that's pretty bad. I was really concerned about this when I ordered my 5687W. Luckily, BOTH sets sent were either damaged or DOA so I could get a Sony SXRD. No pincushioning/bowing whatsoever on it.

Taco Lover

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Based on the positive reviews in this forum, recently purchased an Oppo 970 to go with my HLS-6187w. I thought it'd be best to wait out the HD format war, but wanted to have the best possible picture in the meantime.
For all of you who have this TV/DVD combo, or people with an upconverting player:
Do you guys really see a difference in the pq between the different resolutions?

I spent hours going from 480i -> 480p -> 720p -> 1080i, but can't seem to see any difference. Comparing pq is also very difficult since you can't switch resolutions while watching a movie.
Any recommendations on the best way to compare pq in this case?

btw, I have the player connected directly via HDMI port on the tv.
I have seen many posts praising the upconverted pq on the Oppo, so I guess I'm a bit dissapointed with what I'm seeing or not seeing. Maybe I did something wrong?

jbaek74

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeynavy1
Yep, it is the screen. Simply push on your screen when 4:3 material is displayed and watch the pincushioning get worse. I think it because the screen isn't stiff enough and is probably only anchored to the bezel by the corners.

Sounds like an opportunity for an "aftermarket" screen that is sturdier and won't buckle. I would buy one if it worked.

Hogan

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinecrest
I'm leaning the other way, Hogan. I think that's fairly accurate. There was definitely a bad design that has since been corrected. Samsung should do a recall or extend a warranty repair for this particular issue beyond the normal warranty, but what company these days actually takes the high road and does the right thing.

If you bought an HLS before the new light engine design was put into production, I think the chances of you eventually having the mirror come loose and produce the shadow is very high. Sorry to those who will ask, I do not know when the change was made. The tech told me that my light engine, an Oct 2006 Build HLS5087 had the newer light engine already in place.

Sounds like class action suit material. Any scumsucking lawyers trolling these boards?

Hogan

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hogan
Sounds like class action suit material. Any scumsucking lawyers trolling these boards?
Yeah, that's sure to get them on your side. =)

leshrac55

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by jamessh1
reading through only a partial chunk of this gigantic thread has finally steered me away from purchasing the 87 and 88 series of this generation. Hopefully the new models due out in a few months will iron out most of the issues (pincushioning seems terribly prevalent right now) and the reliability should be known by the end of this year. Overall the PQ is still a price bargain but based on the amount of servicing these things have required its no wonder futureshop has stopped carrying dlps all together.

Gotta ask yourself though, at these prices it is one heck of a picture when it works well (which I think is probably more of the rule than the exception). The next generation will not be on sale right away, most likely.

Hogan

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPaZZdOG
This has probably been answered but way to many pages to find.
I have a high pitch sound coming from my 6187 tv when it's turned off.Is this normal or do I need to trade it back in while I'm in my return window?
Did you order it with or without the high pitch gremlin included? If yes, then it is normal. If no, then I would return it.

I think the sheer size of this forum must be daunting to people, but once again there is a great function called SEARCH that will help newcomers.

Hogan

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Does anyone know if there is discrete code to toggle the Samsung 6187 internal mute. This is found in the Menu under sound and allows you to mute the Tv without having the mute icon showing up on the screen. I would like to set this when I switch between using the Tv speakers and my AV. I am using a Harmony 550 remote

stonecrd

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbaek74
Based on the positive reviews in this forum, recently purchased an Oppo 970 to go with my HLS-6187w. I thought it'd be best to wait out the HD format war, but wanted to have the best possible picture in the meantime.
For all of you who have this TV/DVD combo, or people with an upconverting player:
Do you guys really see a difference in the pq between the different resolutions?

I spent hours going from 480i -> 480p -> 720p -> 1080i, but can't seem to see any difference. Comparing pq is also very difficult since you can't switch resolutions while watching a movie.
Any recommendations on the best way to compare pq in this case?

btw, I have the player connected directly via HDMI port on the tv.
I have seen many posts praising the upconverted pq on the Oppo, so I guess I'm a bit dissapointed with what I'm seeing or not seeing. Maybe I did something wrong?
It really depends on the movie. Some movies are shot with high quality digital cameras and I see a big difference using the upconverting Oppo. With older movies or a TV series (Buffy, etc), there probably won't be much difference in resolutions.

Try renting Kill Bill, Sin City, or Crank (Eliab's suggestion to me) and see how they look in 1080i. Those movies look very good on my 5687.

They are awesome action films as well!

Libertarian

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco Lover
Yeah, that's pretty bad. I was really concerned about this when I ordered my 5687W. Luckily, BOTH sets sent were either damaged or DOA so I could get a Sony SXRD. No pincushioning/bowing whatsoever on it.
Hmmmm..... you traded in for a Sony, that's nice. You come back to visit the forum to ....

Muad Dib

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hogan
Sounds like an opportunity for an "aftermarket" screen that is sturdier and won't buckle. I would buy one if it worked.
To be honest it I think it probably has something to do with having a "thin bezel" design. The screen looks like it's anchored at the corners. There isn't much room on the sides, top and bottom to anchor the screen. Maybe if the bezel was taken off and something could be used to adhere the middle portions of the screen (tape, epoxy, etc.) that wasn't visible from the viewing side would keep the screens anchored in place. Like I said before though, I have seen the issue on other manufacturer's TVs as well. Not as prevalent though. As for the complaints on here, this may be a blessing in disguise. You won't end up with an old TV...haha. If mine breaks in a few years, I might be able to get a HLU or HLW or whatever letter they're on...haha. At least Samsung replaces or tries to fix stuff. You can't get SONY to replace green blob TVs unless they are horrible. You have to go through the retailer within the 30 days, and not all SONYs show the green blob in the first 30 days. How are the Mitsubishi's doing right now with respect to reliability? How about JVC DILAs? Those seem like the best balance of everything. I'm not a big fan of the styling but the rest seems rock solid. I could be totally wrong though.

mikeynavy1

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbaek74
Based on the positive reviews in this forum, recently purchased an Oppo 970 to go with my HLS-6187w. I thought it'd be best to wait out the HD format war, but wanted to have the best possible picture in the meantime.
For all of you who have this TV/DVD combo, or people with an upconverting player:
Do you guys really see a difference in the pq between the different resolutions?

I spent hours going from 480i -> 480p -> 720p -> 1080i, but can't seem to see any difference. Comparing pq is also very difficult since you can't switch resolutions while watching a movie.
Any recommendations on the best way to compare pq in this case?

btw, I have the player connected directly via HDMI port on the tv.
I have seen many posts praising the upconverted pq on the Oppo, so I guess I'm a bit dissapointed with what I'm seeing or not seeing. Maybe I did something wrong?

Best to discuss in the DVD Forum elsewhere on AVS - there are a gazillion people chatting about the Oppo 970 and 981. From what I've read though, some people act like they've just seen God himself while others say they can't tell any difference between their 1999 non-progressive scan DVD hooked up with a cup and a string. (Ok I'm exaggerating but you get the point). I have thus far held off only because MY 2001 Sony non-progressive scan, hooked up through component, looks pretty good. Only thing it can't do is read my home-burned DVDs. I'm personally waffling between a 970 or 981 (I like the 981 much better due to 1080p and its sleek black case, but some people say it will macroblock heavily on DLPs while others say it looks great) as well as a Toshiba HD-A2 which is supposedly a great upconverting player plus you are getting a bet on HDDVD which might pay off if that format survives. If it doesnt, then you've paid a couple hundred extra for a great upconverting player.

I dunno - probably will keep waffling a little while I get more use out of my old Sony, unless I find a great deal on an Oppo where I can rationalize that my cost to upgrade is small.

Hogan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Muad Dib
Hmmmm..... you traded in for a Sony, that's nice. You come back to visit the forum to ....

Obviously the Sony isnt THAT nice otherwise he'd be watching it rather than trolling the Samsung board.

Hogan

Samsung 1080p Owners Thread HLSxx87W HLSxx88W DLP Models

Quote:
Originally Posted by stonecrd
Does anyone know if there is discrete code to toggle the Samsung 6187 internal mute. This is found in the Menu under sound and allows you to mute the Tv without having the mute icon showing up on the screen. I would like to set this when I switch between using the Tv speakers and my AV. I am using a Harmony 550 remote

You can also just turn down the TV volume to "0", that's what I do.

Hogan

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According to this HDTV Wide Screen Seating Chart, the optimal seating distance for a 56", 1080p HDTV is 7.32 feet, and for a 61", 1080p HDTV, it's 7.975 feet.

This Viewing Distance and Screen Size tutorial uses a similar formula to the post above (1.52 times the diagonal screen size) and has similar results (7.1 and 7.7 feet respectively).

Here is another tutorials that help explain what you gain by sitting the proper distance from your HDTV.

Maxing Out Resolution

Rijax

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrax
Have a look here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8714305
Man, thanks so much. I thought I had read everywhere and had been in that thread but must have missed it!

rs600cubed

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Well it happened again today in the morning. I saw the lights blinking and the lights that blinked actually means that the cover is not sitting right. So I went ahead and did it. Totally painless and it seems to have worked fine.

So where can I buy the lamps? I want to have one extra just sitting around for a "just in case" and that way I don't spend days without the TV.

Derko

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^^

Very good to hear you had no issue with the lamp door. And also glad to hear it looks like it worked for you.

It has never happened to me, but I have read about it a few times and 99% of the time it fixed the issue.

Cheers

Mikey_Gee

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I'm gearing up to buy a 5087 (or 5687) and the place I'm purchacing from offers a "Lamp Warranty" for three years from date of purchase. The cost is $90. Any thoughts on how useful this option is? i.e. What are the odds of needing a bulb replaced within 3 years of viewing ( avg 2-6 hours a day)?

There is also a 4 year extended warranty option for $280, but I doubt that includes bulbs.

I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for how often are people having to replace their bulbs, and for how much?

thedudesrug

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Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee
I use to have the 67" and it was razor sharp ... just a bit to big !!

I don't see why you think you would look sharpness when you go bigger. If that was the case then nothing should be sold over 40"

It is more a matter of focus I would think than anything else and I am sure it is done during assembly since , as I said .. the 67" I had was very very sharp indeed.

I really think you may be worried for nothing. I would me more concerned with your distance from the set. General rule of thumb for HD stuff is the diagnol size (ie 61") multiplied by 1.5

So ideal view distance for a 61" would be about 7.6 feet
For a 56" it would be 7 feet

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong !! I would love to hear what folks thing since I am trying to figure out if I should go 56" or 61" ... not due to sharpness concernes, but more cost difference!!








thats what xbox360 looks like on the 56" samsung.....

I don't want to lose any noticeable PQ moving up to the 61"

Those are my only worries.

Joey Cusack

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Originally Posted by Rijax
According to this HDTV Wide Screen Seating Chart, the optimal seating distance for a 56", 1080p HDTV is 7.32 feet, and for a 61", 1080p HDTV, it's 7.975 feet.

This Viewing Distance and Screen Size tutorial uses a similar formula to the post above (1.52 times the diagonal screen size) and has similar results (7.1 and 7.7 feet respectively).

Here is another tutorials that help explain what you gain by sitting the proper distance from your HDTV.

Maxing Out Resolution
Ahhh...viewing distance charts....hmmm...

The charts delineate viewing distances, taking into account human vision acuity, that allow a person to discern all possible detail available in a given resolution/technology.

They do not account for personal viewing preferences or possible side effects inherent in a given technology. If you sit close enough to see all available detail in the picture you may also be close enough for viewing pleasure to be impacted by SSE, SDE or RBE. You may suffer from eye fatigue due excessive eye movement while attempting to track motion across the screen. Are all the seating positions in your environment at the same distance. If (probably) not what is the range of the distances and side angles?

In short there are other factors besides the chart(s) optimal distance for being able to see all available detail.

Again, when you go to the movie theater where do you prefer to sit if the middle rows are all filled? Keep in mind you will be watching your TV much more and for longer periods than you would be watching a movie in a full size theater.

Just a few other considerations besides the charts.

Muad Dib

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Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee
Nice way to look at it .... hmm 61" is winning so far.


You obviously want the 61" so just do it! $682 NO WAIT I MEAN $628 is not worth the gnawing feeling you'll have for the next 3 years if you really want the 61" but you settle for the 56".

Thing is, nobody on here is you, and nobody knows your financial situation, so its really your call. If you were just scraping by right now I might save my $628 for food and heat. If you make $500K per year then I would not really care about $628.

I got the 6187 and love it. Have had those "thoughts" about the 67 or the 71, but for my space 61" is fine and I got a good deal, so paying twice (yes twice) as much for the 71" isn't worth it to me. And there is a chance the 71" would look too big I think - its a BIG TV.

Either way you are getting a good quality picture so you'll be happy!

Hogan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Muad Dib
Ahhh...viewing distance charts....hmmm...

The charts delineate viewing distances, taking into account human vision acuity, that allow a person to discern all possible detail available in a given resolution/technology.

They do not account for personal viewing preferences or possible side effects inherent in a given technology. If you sit close enough to see all available detail in the picture you may also be close enough for viewing pleasure to be impacted by SSE, SDE or RBE. You may suffer from eye fatigue due excessive eye movement while attempting to track motion across the screen. Are all the seating positions in your environment at the same distance. If (probably) not what is the range of the distances and side angles?

In short there are other factors besides the chart(s) optimal distance for being able to see all available detail.

Again, when you go to the movie theater where do you prefer to sit if the middle rows are all filled? Keep in mind you will be watching your TV much more and for longer periods than you would be watching a movie in a full size theater.

Just a few other considerations besides the charts.
Totally agree. IME, double the set size is about right. A 61" = 10 ft. viewing distance.

RGBlues

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Originally Posted by Muad Dib
The charts delineate viewing distances, taking into account human vision acuity, that allow a person to discern all possible detail available in a given resolution/technology.

They do not account for personal viewing preferences or possible side effects inherent in a given technology.
Yes that's true.

We usually suggest moving towards the screen until the pixel structure or any inherent artifacts are visible and then backing off slowly until they can no longer be seen. That will likely be the best seating distance for that individual. Of course a higher scan rate may allow them to sit a little closer while a lower one may require that they scoot back a bit. The objective is to fill as much of one's field of vision while keeping the picture integrity intact (i.e, as little noise as possible).

Eliab

Eliab

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I have been a long time visitor to this thread.... so I thought I would give my experience with a recent calibration I had done by Eliab from Avical. First my equipment:

TV= HLS5088W
HDDVD = Xbox 360 via component
Bluray = PS3 via HDMI

First, I would like to say that Eliab was very professional, and explained everything that he would be doing to my set. When he was finished, I could truly see a difference...and I have an eye for color in the video realm... I am a professional video editor... color is of the utmost importance. When he finished, he popped in Training Day on HDDVD, it was still light outside, but WOW!!! The picture had a depth that I haven't ever ever seen on a modern HDTV. The black were true black..seeing detail that I couldn't see before, the whites the same. That being said, at night things got EVEN better!!!! WOW !!! I felt like Jay Leno was in my living room !!!! I would highly recommend Eliab for anyone who has HDTV, and wants to get the most of of it!!!!!!

Regards,

DominionXX

dominionXX

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Originally Posted by thedudesrug
I'm gearing up to buy a 5087 (or 5687) and the place I'm purchacing from offers a "Lamp Warranty" for three years from date of purchase. The cost is $90. Any thoughts on how useful this option is? i.e. What are the odds of needing a bulb replaced within 3 years of viewing ( avg 2-6 hours a day)?
So if we were to take an average of 4 hours of viewing, you would be at just under 4400 hours in three years time. Most of these lamps will last between 3-4000 hours although I've had clients whose lamps lasted much less and some that lasted more than double that amount. Then there's the fine print. Does the warranty go into effect the day of purchase or delivery? Also, what if the lamp lost a significant amount of its light output - enough to warrant you wanting to replace it. Would they cover that or does the lamp have to not operate at all before they will replace it? My guess is that the lamp has to be dead before they do so. Considering the relatively low cost of the lamps - I would probably take my chances if I were in your shoes.

Quote:
There is also a 4 year extended warranty option for $280, but I doubt that includes bulbs.
This, on the other hand, might be worth the peace of mind. However, make sure that it's in home service as these displays are basically modular and shouldn't require being brought to a repair shop.

Eliab

Eliab

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dominionXX
First, I would like to say that Eliab was very professional, and explained everything that he would be doing to my set. When he was finished, I could truly see a difference...and I have an eye for color in the video realm... I am a professional video editor... color is of the utmost importance. When he finished, he popped in Training Day on HDDVD, it was still light outside, but WOW!!! The picture had a depth that I haven't ever ever seen on a modern HDTV. The black were true black..seeing detail that I couldn't see before, the whites the same. That being said, at night things got EVEN better!!!! WOW !!! I felt like Jay Leno was in my living room !!!! I would highly recommend Eliab for anyone who has HDTV, and wants to get the most of of it!!!!!!
Why thank you sir! The pleasure was all mine and your compliments appreciated. Did you check the PS3 yet?

Eliab

Eliab

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dominionXX
I have been a long time visitor to this thread.... so I thought I would give my experience with a recent calibration I had done by Eliab from Avical.
Thanks for the calibration report. I've added it to our list of owner's reports that is linked at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy.

htwaits

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Ok I just bought a HL-S6187W and Im having some problems. When I turn on the TV what looks like snow will start building up and progressively get worse and then start to fade away.. Its like it only does it as the lamp is warming?? This isnt normal is it?? And if not does anyone know whats causing it?

seabass901

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hogan
You obviously want the 61" so just do it! $682 NO WAIT I MEAN $628 is not worth the gnawing feeling you'll have for the next 3 years if you really want the 61" but you settle for the 56".

Thing is, nobody on here is you, and nobody knows your financial situation, so its really your call. If you were just scraping by right now I might save my $628 for food and heat. If you make $500K per year then I would not really care about $628.
Good point ...

I eat well, drive a nice car and my house is always warm ...

61" it is ........... Yahhhhh !!!


Mikey_Gee

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thedudesrug
I'm gearing up to buy a 5087 (or 5687) and the place I'm purchacing from offers a "Lamp Warranty" for three years from date of purchase. The cost is $90. Any thoughts on how useful this option is? i.e. What are the odds of needing a bulb replaced within 3 years of viewing ( avg 2-6 hours a day)?

There is also a 4 year extended warranty option for $280, but I doubt that includes bulbs.

I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for how often are people having to replace their bulbs, and for how much?
In addition to the excellent advice Eliab gave to you, check out the following post that I made almost a year ago after I purchased my 5087:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post7610910

Bottom line: One can buy a bulb for between $149-179, so I would not buy an EW for that. But with all that CAN go wrong with other parts of the set, a 4-year EW on the whole set for around $200 is a good deal.

djoberg

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Quote:
Originally Posted by seabass901
Ok I just bought a HL-S6187W and Im having some problems. When I turn on the TV what looks like snow will start building up and progressively get worse and then start to fade away.. Its like it only does it as the lamp is warming?? This isnt normal is it?? And if not does anyone know whats causing it?
How long does this process take before you have what looks like a normal image?

htwaits

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Is there any way in the service menu to kick the color up in VGA input?
When I go to calibrate the Xbox 360 hd-dvd add on, I can get the brightness, contrast and tint right on but the color needs to be kicked up one notch.
Thanks
Kenal0

Kenal0

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Originally Posted by htwaits
How long does this process take before you have what looks like a normal image?
about 3 mins.

seabass901

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Quote:
Originally Posted by djoberg
In addition to the excellent advice Eliab gave to you, check out the following post that I made almost a year ago after I purchased my 5087:


Bottom line: One can buy a bulb for between $149-179, so I would not buy an EW for that. But with all that CAN go wrong with other parts of the set, a 4-year EW on the whole set for around $200 is a good deal.

Eliab and djoberg, thanks for the advice. Actually it seems that the warranty that you got, djoberg, is identical to the one I'm mulling over. RepairMaster, 4 years after the end of the factory one year. And good advice on the bulbs. Any feeling for pricing trends there? Am I going to be able to pick one up for sub-$100 anytime soon? I'm not sure where they were years ago compared to where they are now.

I feel like I'm sweating the small stuff now that I've essentially built my system in my mind. But thanks for the advice.

Also, Eliab, I've heard there is a break-in period for new bulbs. Do your "new recommended starter settings for Samsung HL-S displays " take that into account?

thedudesrug

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Originally Posted by seabass901
about 3 mins.
HLS owners might have something to contribute, but three minutes seems like the outer part of normal. It's usually that long or more before I'm watching our HLP. It takes the lamps in these sets some time to get up to full illumination.

htwaits

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliab
Why thank you sir! The pleasure was all mine and your compliments appreciated. Did you check the PS3 yet?

Eliab
Ahhhh yeah, I did. The PS3 is great with blu-ray and games too :-) Very quiet machine, and nice looking as well.

dominionXX

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Originally Posted by seabass901
about 3 mins.
Something is definetly wrong. I have a watchable image within 15 seconds and full brightness in about 1 minute. Never do I see "snow" like you describe. Just a dim picture that gets brighter in stages over about a minute, but never any distortion. I would get that checked especially if you're still under warranty.

120inna55

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Originally Posted by 120inna55
Something is definetly wrong. I have a watchable image within 15 seconds and full brightness in about 1 minute. Never do I see "snow" like you describe. Just a dim picture that gets brighter in stages over about a minute, but never any distortion. I would get that checked especially if you're still under warranty.

Yeah.. The TV will start off dim (as Id expect) and get brighter... but along with that the snow starts to build until its almost blocks out the screen.. and it forms big vertical columns on the screen. Then it just fades away and never comes back until I leave the TV powered off for a good amount of time. I have a 4 year warranty.. and I think Im going to have to utilize it.

seabass901

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I've been interested in this TV for a few months, but just missed out when it was priced for 1399 at amazon. Anyone have any ideas on when it might reach this price or lower again? Newer models should be pushing the price down, no?

mopey6286

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Quote:
Originally Posted by seabass901
Yeah.. The TV will start off dim (as Id expect) and get brighter... but along with that the snow starts to build until its almost blocks out the screen.. and it forms big vertical columns on the screen. Then it just fades away and never comes back until I leave the TV powered off for a good amount of time. I have a 4 year warranty.. and I think Im going to have to utilize it.
Yep, something's dying.

120inna55

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Originally Posted by thedudesrug
Any feeling for pricing trends there? Am I going to be able to pick one up for sub-$100 anytime soon? I'm not sure where they were years ago compared to where they are now.
My crystal ball is a bit fuzzy, but I wouldn't count on them going down below $100 for quite some time, if ever. But then who would have thought a year ago that they would drop nearly 50% (they were almost $300 a year ago, if memory serves me right)?

djoberg

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Here is what Im seeing.. it actually gets alot worse than this though..








seabass901

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Originally Posted by seabass901
Here is what Im seeing.. it actually gets alot worse than this though..








Yeah...thats no good...Service Call Time!!!

REDCELL

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Originally Posted by firedude328
does it stay at 1080p during VGA mode though?
I have my XBOX 360 connected through VGA @ 1080P. It stays in 1080P at all times. There is no overscan (in fact, the picture is actually not filling the screen).

Others here have said that you can adjust the picture size, but I haven't figured out how. If I press the picture size button repeatedly, it toggles between 4:3 and 16:9. If I press it once and use the arrows to move over to the little size indicator, nothing special seems to happen. Is it just an up/down choice where the horizontal is automatically increased to preserve aspect ratio? Or am I supposed to do something? In either case I saw no visual change on the screen, but others have said you can do it so odds are you can.

deria

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Originally Posted by dlalli
wow, I'm so glad I found this thread. I know nothing about TVs but happened to buy a HL-S6187W last month. I'm getting tiling on it. Comcast has been out twice, today the tech told me that he believes we are having the tiling problem because the cable box we have does not have a 1080P resolution. & suggested I put the cable box setup to 480P. He said the TV is more advanced than the cable boxes Comcast currently has.
Any suggestions on this is greatly appreciated.
sounds like it might be time for a new cable guy

I do not believe there is any HD STB that has 1080p...I have a SA 8300HD box from comcast...it does 1080i and no tiling.

tundrSQ

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Originally Posted by deria
I have my XBOX 360 connected through VGA @ 1080P. It stays in 1080P at all times. There is no overscan (in fact, the picture is actually not filling the screen).

Others here have said that you can adjust the picture size, but I haven't figured out how. If I press the picture size button repeatedly, it toggles between 4:3 and 16:9. If I press it once and use the arrows to move over to the little size indicator, nothing special seems to happen.
When the icon is highlighted press up/down to adjust.

nizzan4u2nv

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Originally Posted by Selvos
Just a couple of quick questions:
Is it normal to hear the color wheel come to a stop after the TV is powered off? (at least I think it's the color wheel)
Yes. The color wheel will stop very soon after you press the power button to turn off the set. The fans will run for twenty or more seconds after that. Then your set will be in standby (red light on) until you start it again.

htwaits

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dlalli
wow, I'm so glad I found this thread. I know nothing about TVs but happened to buy a HL-S6187W last month. I'm getting tiling on it. Comcast has been out twice, today the tech told me that he believes we are having the tiling problem because the cable box we have does not have a 1080P resolution. & suggested I put the cable box setup to 480P. He said the TV is more advanced than the cable boxes Comcast currently has.
Any suggestions on this is greatly appreciated.
First, you need to replace the cable guy.

Next you need to have a real cable guy check the signal strength at the cable box. that is what has caused the tiling problems I have had.

If you have any in place, you should remove any coax splitters (that you can) that lie between your pole and the cable box. Also any coax surge protectors. Each splitter will typically cause a 3.5 dB power loss in the signal. If doing so 'fixes' the tiling you need to have the cable co boost your drops signal at the pole and/or repair/replace the coax cable ends and test/replace any splitters you need.

If you are getting good signal strength at the cable box input and you still get tiling tell the cable co you need a new cable box.

A real cable guy should know all this.

Muad Dib

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Quote:
Originally Posted by deria
I have my XBOX 360 connected through VGA @ 1080P. It stays in 1080P at all times. There is no overscan (in fact, the picture is actually not filling the screen).

Others here have said that you can adjust the picture size, but I haven't figured out how. If I press the picture size button repeatedly, it toggles between 4:3 and 16:9. If I press it once and use the arrows to move over to the little size indicator, nothing special seems to happen. Is it just an up/down choice where the horizontal is automatically increased to preserve aspect ratio? Or am I supposed to do something? In either case I saw no visual change on the screen, but others have said you can do it so odds are you can.
OK I had the same problem with my 6188 when I 1st hooked up the VGA cable. Switch to the PC (VGA) input and turn the 360 on. once it is on press the P.Size button on your remote. This will bring up an "adjustment" selection instead of the normal 16:9, 4:3 you would see on other inputs. once you are at the adjustment selection adjust the horizontal, vertical and "multi-directional" settings until it fills your screen. I forget if I had to hit the P Size button more then once but I believe once it read the 360 (not a game or movie just the dashboard) that when I pressed the P.Size button it worked for me now I have "Full Screen" 1080P and it is sweeeeeeeeeetttt. I do remember that the aspect ratio selection did come up but it soon switched to the adjustment selection....

Ph8te

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Originally Posted by Trith
If you mean the Xbox 360 it depends on the source. If it's a older game it probably doesn't have 1080p support so it will in fact output at 1080i, which will be converted to 1080p by the TV. If the game supports 1080p, it will output at that rate to both the VGA and Comp. connections. Now playing Dvd's is where I get a bit fuzzy. I "think" a normal DvD will be upscaled to 1080i over both VGA and Comp. and HDDVD (if you have the player) will output at 1080p over VGA only. Someone please correct me if I'm talking out my rear here because this is all I've been able to piece together over the past few days.
Actually over VGA the 360 upconverts to 1080p for everything (Video and Games). For Component (due to the AACS protection) it will only upconvert video to 1080i, BUT it will display all your games at 1080p.

Same for the HDDVD 1080P for VGA 1080i for Component

Ph8te

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Originally Posted by Ph8te
OK I had the same problem with my 6188 when I 1st hooked up the VGA cable. Switch to the PC (VGA) input and turn the 360 on. once it is on press the P.Size button on your remote. This will bring up an "adjustment" selection instead of the normal 16:9, 4:3 you would see on other inputs. once you are at the adjustment selection adjust the horizontal, vertical and "multi-directional" settings until it fills your screen. I forget if I had to hit the P Size button more then once but I believe once it read the 360 (not a game or movie just the dashboard) that when I pressed the P.Size button it worked for me now I have "Full Screen" 1080P and it is sweeeeeeeeeetttt. I do remember that the aspect ratio selection did come up but it soon switched to the adjustment selection....
Yeah, based on your feedback and that of the previous poster I was able to adjust the size of the display.

It seems that sometimes pressing the up/down will make the image bigger or smaller, but other times it will just make the screen flicker but not actually change the image size. Also, apparently I was pressing the wrong button on the remote at least some of the time. Unlike every other remote in the world, the samsung remote has the labels written ABOVE the button that they correspond to instead of below the button. That is just...special.

deria

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Originally Posted by Ph8te
Well called Sammy today was able to talk to support, they couldn't help me and Tier2 2 escalated my call within the 1st 5 min of our conversation. I talked to the local Repair that they set me up with, and he said I have to look into it to see what I can find out, Ill call you back still no call back. I guess this is a "new one" for them and it doesn't seem to be getting across that it seems that the only audio that is distorted is the Dolby digital (as read by the TV) the Stereo Audio. So these TVs have a Decoder for the DD audio? If so this may be malfunctionsing somehow and I think that would be the root of the problem. Hopefully the Repair person callas back before the end of bnext week (any time frame I should be looking for before I call them back?) Thank you in advance for any help or information you can give me on this I really appreciate it.
Well this is really weird....i "fixed" the problem without doing anything. The sound problem was persistent for about a week or so. Once I got the appointment set up I decided to go back in the service menu and change the display settigns back to "normal". Well I got interrupted before I could do anything so I exited the SM. When I came back to the and powered up the TV whamo the sound is back to mormal and has been working ever since. Go Figure................

Ph8te

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Noticed the shadow on the right side about an hour ago. Top right of screen, about 3/4 on inch thick top, and tapers to nothing by half way down the screen. Noticed it on last night's Nova HD broadcast, since it's got a ton of white snow in it. 1337 hours on the bulb, a May build, bought in June. HL-S5687

Monty22001

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Does anyone else notice fine faint vertical lines when viewing SD channels? I don't see them at all on DVD and HD material. It's not all the time on SD channels but when it is visible, I notice it on faces. I'm viewing a 6187 from 13 feet away by the way. Any ideas what is causing this? My settings are the initial Eliab ones.

dfwald

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Hello Everyone,

This is my first time posting but i have read AVS Forums for months to figure out what TV i should buy. Guess what i bought the HL-S6187w December 2006 Build. So thank you everyone for you're input.

dfwald: i do see the lines too when watching SD channels. only on white lettering but not in HD or Xbox 360. Does anyone know of any fix?

ColePatrol

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Hey Guys, I am kind of a newbie to RPTV's so dont kill me. I am coming from my 30" loewe and getting into the big boys.

Anyway, I believe I am down to the Sony 60A2000 or the Samsung 6187W. I was at best buy the other day and noticed there was an unbelievable amount of graininess in the Samsung vs the Sony. Do you guys think this is something with the SXRD vs the DLP or is it a bad set at Best Buy? Id really like to pick up a RPTV with PIP so I would like to side with the samsung and its 6188 but the gaininess has me scared.

Care to shed any lights? Its possible it may have been BB's TV.

Billabongi

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Originally Posted by Monty22001
Noticed the shadow on the right side about an hour ago. Top right of screen, about 3/4 on inch thick top, and tapers to nothing by half way down the screen. Noticed it on last night's Nova HD broadcast, since it's got a ton of white snow in it. 1337 hours on the bulb, a May build, bought in June. HL-S5687
I saw your post on the "shadow thread" and you have my sincere sympathy. But you no doubt read of how I had a new upgraded LE installed that Samsung developed in November due to repeated LE failures they have experienced. When you call Samsung for repair be sure to tell them about the shadow thread and that you are sure a LE replacement will remedy your problem. This will expedite the process and you will be sure of getting one of the updated LEs. Good luck!

PS Mine was a May build too. I suspect we will be hearing from more Sammy owners who purchased their set between May and November.

djoberg

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Originally Posted by djoberg
I saw your post on the "shadow thread" and you have my sincere sympathy. But you no doubt read of how I had a new upgraded LE installed that Samsung developed in November due to repeated LE failures they have experienced. When you call Samsung for repair be sure to tell them about the shadow thread and that you are sure a LE replacement will remedy your problem. This will expedite the process and you will be sure of getting one of the updated LEs. Good luck!

PS Mine was a May build too. I suspect we will be hearing from more Sammy owners who purchased their set between May and November.
Samsung answered right at 8am when they opened. They sent a fax to a local TV repair place that opens at 9, so I'll call in 30 minutes. I'll tell them about it.

Also, should I expect a new bulb when they do this? That would be a kinda nice extra since I have to put up with this.

Monty22001

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Originally Posted by Billabongi
I was at best buy the other day and noticed there was an unbelievable amount of graininess in the Samsung vs the Sony. Do you guys think this is something with the SXRD vs the DLP or is it a bad set at Best Buy? Id really like to pick up a RPTV with PIP so I would like to side with the samsung and its 6188 but the gaininess has me scared.

Care to shed any lights? Its possible it may have been BB's TV.
This was my exact experience at my local Best Buy, as well. The Samsung was grainy, and pixelated, and just generally "poor" looking. Many people have posted that the Sony offers the greatest "out-of-the-box" experience, and that the Samsungs look pretty bad until properly adjusted, but I had no idea that they would look this bad.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but I just wanted to agree with you.

schwa73

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Originally Posted by Billabongi
Hey Guys, I am kind of a newbie to RPTV's so dont kill me. I am coming from my 30" loewe and getting into the big boys.

Anyway, I believe I am down to the Sony 60A2000 or the Samsung 6187W. I was at best buy the other day and noticed there was an unbelievable amount of graininess in the Samsung vs the Sony. Do you guys think this is something with the SXRD vs the DLP or is it a bad set at Best Buy? Id really like to pick up a RPTV with PIP so I would like to side with the samsung and its 6188 but the gaininess has me scared.

Care to shed any lights? Its possible it may have been BB's TV.
All i can say is the HL-S6187w is a great TV. It is sleak and sexy and picture is awesome.

I did however work at Best Buy 5 years ago in the home theater department and i can tell you the wiring on one TV can be **** when the one next to it can be way better. Please don't go off of the picture quality in Best Buy. The true way to tell is have them hook a HD or Blu Ray or even a dvd player to both the sets with the same wiring and then you can see what picture you like better. Plus most of the guys don't know anything. This is how a Best Buy guy will sell you a TV

"So you want a RPTV well we have the Samsung and the Sony. You can see the picture on the Sony is way better because it is SXRD see the Samsung DLP it looks grainy (little do you know if they're coming from the same source with the same wiring). Great so you'll go with the Sony i also recommend Monster Cables."

Also the 6187 doesn't offer PIP but if you get a HD Cable box that will give you PIP

One more thing the Samsung HL-W6187W & 6188w was voted the best tv buy from home theater magazine and Kevin Miller co-founder of the ISF said once calibrated it has the best picture of any set on the market currently.

ColePatrol

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What type of VGA Cable do I need for the HLS5687?

Male/Male
Male/Female
Female/Female

firedude328

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Originally Posted by firedude328
What type of VGA Cable do I need for the HLS5687?

Male/Male
Male/Female
Female/Female
male/male

but i prefer female/female : )

ColePatrol

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Anyone reading these boards.
If reading these threads has gotten you concerned about overscan, then you got sucked in. I got a lot of good information here about everything concerning my purchase of a hls5087. I kept reading these threads and thinking maybe I should get the model that lets you keep overscan on, boy was I wrong. Overscan is the most talked about feature that adds absolutely nothing. Turning it on has so little of an effect that it is not even worth the amount of disscusion that it gets here. In fact, if anything I'm glad they have it turned on.

Another big one.
Is the guys that calibrate your tv sets. If you paid 400 or more to get some guy to calibrate your TV I have some swamp land that I need to sell you at a reasonable price. These TV's come out of the box with beautiful pictures. Minor adjustments are all you need to make your set look how you want it to. Maybe they didn't tune them in the past, I don't know. I do know my friends stare in awe at my picture. I also keep DNIE on. The picture seems much prettier with it on. Maybe if you are watching SDTV this might be left off. I don't konw because all my channels are HDTV and the set is amazing. I should say I don't watch SDTV channels. I have an antenna that lets me get my locals in HDTV.

In conclusion these are some of the nicest sets on the market. Quit worrying yourself over silly things like buying a dvd to calibrate your tv. Once you get over that, then you can do like me and enjoy your brand new HDTV

maxxgold

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Originally Posted by maxxgold
Anyone reading these boards.
If reading these threads has gotten you concerned about overscan, then you got sucked in. I got a lot of good information here about everything concerning my purchase of a hls5087. I kept reading these threads and thinking maybe I should get the model that lets you keep overscan on, boy was I wrong. Overscan is the most talked about feature that adds absolutely nothing. Turning it on has so little of an effect that it is not even worth the amount of disscusion that it gets here. In fact, if anything I'm glad they have it turned on.

Another big one.
Is the guys that calibrate your tv sets. If you paid 400 or more to get some guy to calibrate your TV I have some swamp land that I need to sell you at a reasonable price. These TV's come out of the box with beautiful pictures. Minor adjustments are all you need to make your set look how you want it to. Maybe they didn't tune them in the past, I don't know. I do know my friends stare in awe at my picture. I also keep DNIE on. The picture seems much prettier with it on. Maybe if you are watching SDTV this might be left off. I don't konw because all my channels are HDTV and the set is amazing. I should say I don't watch SDTV channels. I have an antenna that lets me get my locals in HDTV.

In conclusion these are some of the nicest sets on the market. Quit worrying yourself over silly things like buying a dvd to calibrate your tv. Once you get over that, then you can do like me and enjoy your brand new HDTV
maxxgold

being able to turn over scan off is good for PC connection. i do agree that when i turned overscan off last night i didn't really notice any difference in my tv viewing experience.

calibration would be good for some but not all. you might like the overly bright sharp picture but i do not. like someone said before you buy a truck and its really good stock but then you can buy after market parts that make it even better like springs, tires. calibrating the tv set will change the greyscale and other stuff that will give you a more realistic look.

again its all about the eye of the beholder

ColePatrol

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I pulled the trigger last night on a 6187W and it should be here by 1/31.

I'm just curious on knowing where other owners have placed their center speaker with their Sammy (top, bottom, behind, etc). Eventually I'll be building a custom stand or entertainment center to match our bookcases.

Augmont

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Originally Posted by Augmont
I pulled the trigger last night on a 6187W and it should be here by 1/31.

I'm just curious on knowing where other owners have placed their center speaker with their Sammy (top, bottom, behind, etc). Eventually I'll be building a custom stand or entertainment center to match our bookcases.
i personally have the bose lifestyle so they are cubbed speakers and my center is right under the tv but attached you will find a diagram of how another user mounted his center over the tv. i don't know how good it can be but looks pretty cool.

Try this it might look good

http://omnimount.com/consumer/produc...&CurrentId=8.1

ColePatrol

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Originally Posted by maxxgold
Anyone reading these boards.
Max you are pure gold.

htwaits

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speaker placement is actually one of the few complaints I have w/ this set.
I like to place my center speaker on my TV stand, right in front of the set.
Unfortunately, this is also where the IR receiver is on the set, so I can't control the TV w/ the remote if I keep my speaker here.

skepticon

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Originally Posted by skepticon
I like to place my center speaker on my TV stand, right in front of the set.
Unfortunately, this is also where the IR receiver is on the set, so I can't control the TV w/ the remote if I keep my speaker here.
That's where my center speaker is located. You just have to use a IR/RF relay product. Radio Shack has the one I use.

My remote sends a IR signal to a RF relay which passes it on to a RF receiver. That unit has a wired connection to a IR transmitter which I placed behind my speaker and right in front of the TV's IR receiver.

I'm sure that there are other control methods that I've not investigated.

htwaits

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Originally Posted by hagemon
Hello everyone,

I have a HD-A1 player connected to a HLS5687W via HDMI. MI3 is supposed to be a high quality transfer. At certain points in the movie there seems to be a heck of a lot of what I can only describe as sandpaper-ish effect on certain serfaces. I tried to swap the HDMI cable and use my buddy's copy of MI3 and had the same results.

Other HD movies look fine. Riddick looks really good.

One scene in particular that looks really bad in MI3 is when Mr Hunt first meets his buddy in the liquor station at the begining of the film. Both of their faces look like sandpaper. Almost like there are tiny little ants crawling all over their face and neck. The effect stays even if I pause the film.

Any ideas...?

I've seen this as well on some faces when watching OTA HD.
I've got Eliab coming next month to work his magic on my set...hopefully a calibration will squelch this effect.

skepticon

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Originally Posted by htwaits
That's where my center speaker is located. You just have to use a IR/RF relay product. Radio Shack has the one I use.

My remote sends a IR signal to a RF relay which passes it on to a RF receiver. That unit has a wired connection to a IR transmitter which I placed behind my speaker and right in front of the TV's IR receiver.

I'm sure that there are other control methods that I've not investigated.

So simple, it's genius.
I know what I'll be doing tonight.
Thanks htwaits.

skepticon

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Originally Posted by skepticon
So simple, it's genius.
I know what I'll be doing tonight.
Thanks htwaits.
You're welcome.

If you investigate there may be even better solutions than Radio Shack's product. There is probably a forum here at AVS where expert opinion can be found.

htwaits

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Originally Posted by htwaits
You're welcome.

If you investigate there may be even better solutions than Radio Shack's product. There is probably a forum here at AVS where expert opinion can be found.
Some speakers have a punchout for an IR receiver. That's a really clean install. But then you need an IR dist kit.

All of my components are behind closed doors, and I didn't want to bother with soldering a DIY kit, so I went with Buffalo Electronics components (receiver, dist hub, and Smart Home flashers. I think everything together cost about $60.00. You could cut that in half by soldering your own dist hub -- nothing to the electronics.

Pinecrest

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Originally Posted by Jeff Peake
I have had my 6187 for about a month.

Hi-Def looks amazing.

SD programming on Dish Network, and DVD from an Oppo 971 usually looks OK. But I have found a problem that exists in some cases.

Attached are 2 screenshots that show an extreme case of the problem. Notice the ghosting of the letters in the background.

The pics are from an SD channel from my Dish 622 receiver, set to output at 1080i via HDMI. I have tried using component output, and changing the 622's output resolution to all the different options and the problem remains in all cases.

While the problem happens most often while watching dish network, it does happen with DVD's as well. Again, I have tried using DVI and Component output from my Oppo player, and tried switching its upconversion resolution and the problem remains.

Do I need a replacement?

Jeff
What is your 'sharpness' set to? Try 0.

scsiraid

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What is your 'sharpness' set to? Try 0.
It is set to 0.

I have my settings calibrated via Video Essentials, and they came out very close to Eliab's recommended settings posted earlier in this thread.

I just tried OTA and found the same ringing.

Jeff

Jeff Peake

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