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Question Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner ( AVS Forum DVD Recorders )
Updated: 2008-05-17 13:54:34 (7916)
Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Hi all....I thought I'd start this thread for the handful of folks like myself who still use OTA to get HDTV.

I found out about the Philips DVDR3575H over in the "Summary of ATSC Recorders" thread.

There is also a good link in that thread to Wikipedia where they have a link to a preliminary data sheet. (I can't post links, so hopefully someone else will post them below.)

I was originally leaning toward the new Pansasonic DMR-EZ17 or EZ27, but then I saw this Philips with the HDD for a comparable price and I'm intrigued. I've read lots of posts where people swear that an HDD unit is the only way to go.

I currently have a Magnavox DVDR, so I'm well aware of some of the quirks and limitations of a DVDR. It's starting to have problems recognizing discs, and I sure don't want to go back to using a VCR.

I've considered a TIVO or some other DVR, but I'm just too cheap to pay that monthly recurring charge. I like to pay one time up front.

Just stopped at Wally World and saw an empty shelf with the price tag.

Hope to get my hands on one of these soon.

I've never owned a Philips before, so I'm a little leary (although, I think Magnavox and Philips are the same company?).

Looking forward to reading others experiences with this Philips DVDR3575H.

Thanks in advance......Mike

Answers: Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner ( AVS Forum DVD Recorders )
Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Hello. We are looking at buying one of these 3575 units at Circuit City. Is there any way to tell on the box if we are buying one made before or after this so called fix?
Thanks, Steve

satellitesteve

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

You know... it would be nice if Philips would put out an official announcement on their support site addressing the tuner issue. To hear the official word on what they know, what they are doing to fix the problem, and how we as the consumer should handle our defective products.

As for the possibility of exchanging a defective unit with Philips for yet another defective unit... you think that Philips would save themselves a lot of headache by telling users to sit tight and that they would extend the warranty of any units purchased before a fix was implemented. But for them to keep sending out replacement units that aren't even guaranteed to fix the problem, is a little ridiculous if you ask me.

Don't get me wrong... I like the player a lot. I just want it to work as advertised.

Anyways, that's just my two cents.

[steps off soapbox]

FuzzyJCT

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

So lets see, we've all been waiting for the promised FW and now they say basicaly the unit sucks and they'll just replace them with refurbs that may or may not work. So why did I keep this thing then? I guess at least it's not a polaroid, no support at all...

Dartman

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyJCT
You know... it would be nice if Philips would put out an official announcement on their support site addressing the tuner issue. To hear the official word on what they know, what they are doing to fix the problem, and how we as the consumer should handle our defective products.

As for the possibility of exchanging a defective unit with Philips for yet another defective unit... you think that Philips would save themselves a lot of headache by telling users to sit tight and that they would extend the warranty of any units purchased before a fix was implemented. But for them to keep sending out replacement units that aren't even guaranteed to fix the problem, is a little ridiculous if you ask me.

Don't get me wrong... I like the player a lot. I just want it to work as advertised.

Anyways, that's just my two cents.

[steps off soapbox]
I am OTA only and have never seen the tuner issue. You might have some success at getting the information you want by contacting the Paul Zeven, the Philips CEO. Some people with TV problems who emailed him have gotten some help from his staff.
Quote:
Management
Philips Electronics North America Headquarters
1251 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020

Paul Zeven
CEO
Philips Electronics North America
email paul.zeven@philips.com

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Well MOST folks using the tuner on QAM cable have the disappearing channels issue so we have all been waiting for a fix as the unit still works well enough for most of us, but that was the deal, a promised Firmware fix. They offered to RMA mine as well but I didn't want to trade one working mostly unit with another that would probably have exactly the same issues and be with out one while it cross shipped.
Thanks for the contact info, spose I'll wait to see what happens a bit longer, maybe the fix will happen after all but we'll see.

Dartman

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Well... I think I'll be making a return trip to Wally World today to take this thing back. Then, if I can find another one in the area, I'll at least get another 90 day return period out of it. Hopefully, Philips will have figured something out by then.

FuzzyJCT

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyJCT
Well... I think I'll be making a return trip to Wally World today to take this thing back. Then, if I can find another one in the area, I'll at least get another 90 day return period out of it. Hopefully, Philips will have figured something out by then.
If you do take back, don't go by SN...my perfect replacement unit has a lower SN than my blue-screen unit (4xxx vs. 5xxx).

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartman
They offered to RMA mine as well but I didn't want to trade one working mostly unit with another that would probably have exactly the same issues and be with out one while it cross shipped.
They are not cross shipping. The unit falls into the "Rapid Replacement" category where they send the replacement unit along with packaging for you to return the original unit.

mxb

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by mxb
They are not cross shipping. The unit falls into the "Rapid Replacement" category where they send the replacement unit along with packaging for you to return the original unit.
If it's still the same as my replacement, they'll take a CC# and tell you they'll charge the CC if your unit doesn't make it back in 20 days (from the date they shipped, I think).

That's how I ended up with a perfect 2nd unit...I kept the replacment unit and they charged my CC $252.xx, which included 8.5% tax for my state.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
If it's still the same as my replacement, they'll take a CC# and tell you they'll charge the CC if your unit doesn't make it back in 20 days (from the date they shipped, I think).

That's how I ended up with a perfect 2nd unit...I kept the replacment unit and they charged my CC $252.xx, which included 8.5% tax for my state.
Yes that's what I was told, though the charge they quoted was about $270.

mxb

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by satellitesteve
Hello. We are looking at buying one of these 3575 units at Circuit City. Is there any way to tell on the box if we are buying one made before or after this so called fix?
Thanks, Steve
The first batches have an April 07 manufacture date. You may have more luck with later issues.

rex king

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

My super Wallyworld here does not even carry the model 3575. They only have the 3505 and the 3455. I wonder why they do not have the 3575? The only place local that I can even find one to look at is Circuit City.
Steve

satellitesteve

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by J.D.R.
Thanks for pointing us to those epinion reviews, although it might have been more fun to know what models went back and why. I didn't know there were so many DVD recorders with ATSC or QAM tuners and a HDD, having found only the troublesome Polaroid DRA-01601A and the Philips we're talking about so far.

So is it true that recording DVD+VR mode on the DVDR3575H/37 is not just a default that can be set otherwise, but it's the only R/RW mode this model will record? If I sound like I don't want to believe it, it's becasue this looks like a deal-breaker for me: I want to maximize compatibility with people I might trade DVDs with, and I can't count on all of them to have recent, more versatile equipment.

Also, some ambiguous language at the top of page 38 in the manual gives me a little hope: Under "Recordable Discs" on the left it says, "DVD-RW/-R will be recorded in the DVD+VR mode automatically in this unit." but on the right it says, "DVD-RW recorded in the mode other than +VR is not recordable on this unit unless [my emphasis] you erase all contents in the disc (refer to page 97 [where it tells you how to erase a disc])." Okay, suppose you "erase all contents in the disc." Then what? Then can you make a DVD-RW disc with this recorder? Likewise, make a DVD-R disc? (Thanks.)
+VR mode is the mode used in all recording on the 3575. +VR is compatible will all normal players, as stated in this Wiki article:

"There are two quite different application formats commonly known as VR mode.
1) DVD-VR was established by the DVD Forum and can be found on DVD-RW and DVD-RAM.
2) DVD+VR is the creation and responsibility of Philips Electronics and is seen on their DVD+RW recorders.

DVD-VR
The DVD-VR recording mode offers advanced editing (including Non Linear Editing (NLE)) but is not compatible with DVD-Video.

DVD+VR
The DVD+VR recording mode (aka +VR functionality) is compatible with DVD-Video (normal DVD-Video players), but offers basic editing like partial overwriting, title dividing, chapter marker placement, replace the menu screens, etc." [Wikipedia]

The statement about a -R/RW disc being recorded only with +VR means, a blank disc of course, but also a disc already recorded on in Video or VR mode in another recorder will have to be erased so the 3575 can record in +VR mode.

I don't think you need to worry about the +VR mode playing on other players as long as the discs are properly finalized, which will make them Video-mode compatible.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Thanks for pointing us to those epinion reviews, although it might have been more fun to know what models went back and why. I didn't know there were so many DVD recorders with ATSC or QAM tuners and a HDD, having found only the troublesome Polaroid DRA-01601A and the Philips we're talking about so far.

So is it true that recording DVD+VR mode on the DVDR3575H/37 is not just a default that can be set otherwise, but it's the only R/RW mode this model will record? If I sound like I don't want to believe it, it's because this looks like a deal-breaker for me: I want to maximize compatibility with people I might trade DVDs with, and I can't count on all of them to have recent, more versatile equipment.

Also, some ambiguous language at the top of page 38 in the manual gives me a little hope: Under "Recordable Discs" on the left it says, "DVD-RW/-R will be recorded in the DVD+VR mode automatically in this unit." but on the right it says, "DVD-RW recorded in the mode other than +VR is not recordable on this unit unless [my emphasis] you erase all contents in the disc (refer to page 97 [where it tells you how to erase a disc])." Okay, suppose you "erase all contents in the disc." Then what? Then can you make a DVD-RW disc with this recorder? Likewise, make a DVD-R disc? (Thanks.)

J.D.R.

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by amesdp
It initialized and recorded successfully. After recording, a message appeared that the recorder was finalizing it to read in other players. It played back successfully in the 3575.
That's odd. The 3575 only "auto-finalizes" DVDs at end of timer rec or end of disc space, and those must be set by the user in Setup. Otherwise, finalizing is a manually chosen op. Was your -RW rec a timer rec or full disc???

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by satellitesteve
Hello. We also just found one at Walmart today. These 3575 units are hard to find in my area. Ours says manufactured on June 25 2007. Can anyone advise as to if this is after the dates that have been talked about on all of the factory recalled units?

Thanks, Steve
I believe most of the units with problems were
made in April 2007 (but I could be wrong).
If you're OTA only, it won't matter.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

OK, I need a little help here...

I set up my unit and did the auto channel set and am having a problem getting the digital channels. I only have basic cable but my Sony HDTV (with built-in ATSC, QAM and NTSC tuners) can pick up all the HD channels Comcast is putting out in the clear so I assumed the Philips would as well. However, the Philips not find any of these channels and I can only get ABC and CBS by manually inputing the station number. For instance, I put it 89.1 for CBS and the Philips redirects to 3.1 and shows me the down-rezzed HD feed but it does not memorize either the 89.1 or the 3.1. Also, when I go to 89.2 (which my Sony TV picks up as FOX), the Philips redirects me to 3.1 again.

Is this a defective unit (it's a July 31, 2007 pack date) or am I SOL with the tuner in this thing?

TonyS

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Three questions for sure:

1. How is the 3575 connected to the cable and then on to the TV.

2. Did you do an Auto Channel Preset > Analog/Digital?

3. Assuming you did #2 first, did you then try a Manual Channel Preset > Enter ch 89 on keypad, let it tune (~10 sec or more), then check the "Add"?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

wabjxo -

1 - Coax cable from the wall to "in" on the 3575, then "out" to the TV.

2 - Yes, I did the Auto Channel Preset (Analog/Digital).

3 - No, I did not try to manually add a digital channel because the manual says you can't do this and can only delete digital channels.

I assumed that since my Sony TV can pick up all the digital channels with its built-in tuner, the Philips would also. Hopefully that wasn't a bad assumption...

Thanks for your help!

TonyS

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I have been on the 3505 forum, but returned it for a 6/25/2007 3575 unit.

Both units have had very insensitive remotes, I have to hold the remote level with the unit to get it to work. I don't think it's the remote, because I have a very powerful URC 8910 remote that does the same thing.

Is anyone else experiancing this? If so, do you have any recommendations?

Thanks, Jack

irs009

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Aiming the remote in a straight line to the unit...no. Aiming from an angle...yes. The owner's manual makes a statement about having to be closer if on an angle vs. straight on.

f5fstop

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyS
wabjxo -

1 - Coax cable from the wall to "in" on the 3575, then "out" to the TV.

2 - Yes, I did the Auto Channel Preset (Analog/Digital).

3 - No, I did not try to manually add a digital channel because the manual says you can't do this and can only delete digital channels.
I think the only people I've read that have channels that remap are also on Comcast. If so, they're doing something my TWC doesn't do, so I don't have a similar problem.

I believe you should be able to add a digital channel once you've done an Auto scan (I've done it with my TWC analog cable). It would be interesting to see what happens when you go to the digital tuner and use the Manual Channel Preset menu to enter channel 82. Will it first TUNE ch 82.1 and 82.2, which is what would happen on my cable, or not tune at all, or tune then remap BOTH to 3.1, or ???

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

let's say i have my antenna's rf coaxial cable connected to the recorder's antenna input, and i have an hdmi cable connected from the recorder's video output to my tv's video input. do i need another rf coaxial cable to connect the recorder's antenna output to my tv's antenna input? i mean is that extra rf coaxial cable really needed? manual says it's for tuner pass and tv loop. is it possible for the recorder to be fully functional without the extra rf coaxial cable?

my reason for not using it is that i want to use my tv's antenna input for another hdtv antenna. right now this is the only thing that's keeping me from buying this recorder. can i still record and watch even without the rf coaxial cable from the recorder's antenna output to my tv's antenna input?. thanks to all that helped

skyblu5_9

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyblu5_9
can i still record and watch even without the rf coaxial cable from the recorder's antenna output to my tv's antenna input?. thanks to all that helped
Yes. You record from the antenna input and set your TV to HDMI input to watch what you recorded. The 3575 sends no signal of its own on the rf out, only the original rf signal.

chrisb0

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyblu5_9
let's say i have my antenna's rf coaxial cable connected to the recorder's antenna input, and i have an hdmi cable connected from the recorder's video output to my tv's video input. do i need another rf coaxial cable to connect the recorder's antenna output to my tv's antenna input? i mean is that extra rf coaxial cable really needed? manual says it's for tuner pass and tv loop. is it possible for the recorder to be fully functional without the extra rf coaxial cable?
I believe you won't be able to watch anything on the TV when the DVDR is off unless you have the RF coax (pass-thru) hooked up. Don't think the HDMI is "active" unless the DVDR is on. If you don't mind turning both DVDR and TV on to watch TV, then a single HDMI connection will work.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
I believe you won't be able to watch anything on the TV when the DVDR is off unless you have the RF coax (pass-thru) hooked up. Don't think the HDMI is "active" unless the DVDR is on. If you don't mind turning both DVDR and TV on to watch TV, then a single HDMI connection will work.
He said that he was going to hook up an additional HD antenna to his TV. Assuming he has cable, he won't be able to watch cable TV unless the 3575 is on. But he would be able to watch TV via his OTA antenna.

So if he records the cable on the 3575, he could still watch it without the RF coax between the TV and the 3575. The HDMI cable with connect the 3575 to the TV just fine.

But if he doesn't have cable, then I think it makes more sense to connect the antenna to the 3575, and then the RF coax to the TV. Or have 1 antenna, and have a splitter, 1 leg to the TV, 1 leg to the 3575. I wouldn't really think it necessary to have 2 antennas.

nicholasmcgrew

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I am interested in the Phillips DVDR3575H/37 DVD Recorder. I have read a few pages of this thread, however I would like to know certain information about it, but I don't want to go through 64 pages of discourse to try and find it. I have a few questions about this product, and hopefully a few of you can answer some of the questions I have about this product here http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/d/d...37_pss_aen.pdf before posing these questions. I have never used a DVD Recorder before so I apologized if some of these questions have obvious answers. They aren't obvious to someone new to the DVD Recorder scene.

1. First and formemost, DVD picture quality is important to me. The most important function of this unit is as an Upconverting DVD Player to watch movies. In that respect, does this unit do a good job upconverting DVDs? How is the image quality (Poor, Average, Good, Excellent)? If someone here has used the OPPO 980H, how does the image produced by the Phillips compare in relation to the OPPO?

2. I suspect it does, but can it record Cable (Analog and Digital) and Satelite sources, and not simply OTA? If it does, are there limitations to what content is recordable? (other than the obvious fact about HD)

3. Can it record Widescreen SD onto DVD? I own a Sony HDR-HC1 (Hi-definition Camcorder) that can output Video via Firewire as Widescreen SD. I want to be able to record this content onto DVD.

4. Is there any difference between this Phillips DVDR3575H/37 compared to the Phillips DVDR3475/37 other than the 160GB HD? Like Features, a higher quality chipset, etc.

5. The specification for this product make no mention that it can play DVD-R DL products. I have some media that is burned onto DVD-R DL discs. So can this player play DVD-R DL?

6. In your opinion is this a quality product; Are there major problems or glitches or important fuctionality that is missing? I have read a little about the inability to remember channels on older stock.

I am also going to post the same questions about the Phillips DVDR3475/37 in another thread, just incase you come across them.

Thanks

Sudhakar

Sudhakar2k

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Is anyone else of the opinion that the upscaling thing is mostly snake oil? Maybe there is more to the technology than I have heard about, but I do not understand why the built-in scaler in a decent TV, which would be optimized for the native resolution of the display, would not do at least as good a job as an external scaler.

Maybe it is my 60 year old eyes, but I have played the same commercial DVD on my Daewoo 5800 using the S-Video out, the DVDR3575 using the S-Video out, and the DVDR3575H using HDMI at various resolutions, and I do not see any significant difference on my Philips 42PF7320A 42" plasma TV.

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Everything I've read lately says TV scalers are so good that they don't need pre-upscaling by an external device.

One thing I'd be curious about in your setup is if you could see any diff. between S-Video, HDMI and COMPONENT when playing a commercial DVD. Since those DVDs are created with Component video, they show up a little better even in my setup with an older 54" rear-proj. HDTV. On normal stuff, I get just as good a pic with my RCA Digital AV (composite) Cables.

Anyway, if you ever get a chance to hook up via Component, let me know how it compares to S-Vid and HDMI w/your plasma, esp. in playing commercial DVDs?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I bought the Philips DVDR3575H recently from the Wal-Mart in Hastings MN. I was vaguely aware of some mention of a channel memory loss problem, but I haven't taken the time to use mine much since I purchased it. Anyway, here is how I am set up and perhaps others can advise how to proceed next. I have this in the second story of my house and it is connected to a Samsumg 19" LCD. The inputs on the Philips DVDR3575H are from two RG-6 coaxial cable feedlines. One is a simple 8-bow tie UHF antenna for digital over the air channels. The second feedline is connected to a Dish ViP 622 satellite receiver box. I have this as a "TV2" configuration meaning that I get SD content via the coaxial cable. I can actually get either the "TV1" or "TV2" content and it is sent via the RF-6 feedline and can be set up as either a cable channel or analog over the air channel depending on how the RF modulator is configured. What I originally tried to do was combine the the two inputs with a splitter, but I have switched to an "A-B" switch. When I programmed the memories I had all of the OTA (over the air) channels and then the two Dish channels as cable channels 81 and 92. Cable channel 81 was the "TV1" and cable channel 92 was "TV2". I had separation between the two channels because I think that is what Dish recommends. Anyway, it seemed as if I suffered the "channel memory loss problem" immediately when switching the "A-B" switch.

As an aside, we are up camping this weekend at Mille Lacs Kathio State Park this weekend and I won't be able to check the manufacture date of the device until later the day. Anyway, is my first course of business to check the date of unit and if it is before July 2007 to simply replace it with them? Also, if they don't have any in stock or they don't have any in stock with a more recent build date am I better off just ordering one on line from them? The reason I ask this is because they sales staff doesn't seem to be able to find out much from their computers when I ask them in the store. I know that I can do it online from home, but I suppose I would them have to call the department of each store that has one and ask them to physically check the box for the build date.

Also, when it comes to the dual inputs on a single connector, am I better off with the A-B switch that I have or can I get a combiner somewhere that will work well and not cost an arm and a leg? I already have some of the OTA/Satellite di-plexers, but neither of my inputs are actually in the satellite range of frequencies even though the content is satellite.

Jim1348

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Title Dividing is occasionally leaving a few seconds of frozen frame at the end of the title (just before the cut point). When dubbing these titles to DVD, this glitch allows the recording to occur to that point, but then gives an 'unable to record on this disk' error. So the disk (DVD-R) has to go into the trash can. Frustrating.

Scene delete doesn't work well on scenes at the very end of the title, since it is near impossible to set the 'end' of the delete at the end of the title. At least, I can't find an easy way to do it. So I have to re-divide the title at the freeze-up point and hope it doesn't freeze up again. I also have to check every title for freeze-ups before dubbing it. Frustrating. Time-consuming.

Searching through this thread, I found the discussion below. Should I be powering off after each edit? This seems like a very extreme solution, and one that would likely cause me to return this unit and just quit recording altogether. [The whole 'finalize' process and inability to erase and re-record on DVD-R seems like a throwback to the stone age, or maybe the paleolithic age; no probably neandarthal age; yeah that's it. Maybe I should go back to Beta tapes. It was a lot easier.]

Is there any other solution to the title divide freeze-up glitch?

Thanks,

Chris


Quote:
Originally Posted by ValVita
Tommy,

Did you use Scene Delete or Title Divide on any of the recordings? This same error code has happened to me several times on titles where the Scene Delete left behind a tiny hang-up glitch. Often this happened near the end or beginning of the title near where a Title Divide was used to separate multiple TV episodes after editing. It's only happened (so far) on titles that were Scene Deleted AND Title Divided. Not on any titles that were only edited by Scene Delete function.

The error quit after I went back and used Title Divide to split off and then erased the glitchy frames.

It's also happened on a title that got "corrupted" (?) when I finished Title Dividing one title and forgot to power off the machine before attempting to edit another title. I tried Scene Delete a couple times on the second title and failed before realizing what I'd done. By then, it was too late. Powering Off after 2+ failed Scene Deletes couldn't recover the file. It wouldn't dub, and evetually had to be erased. If I'd only tried Scene Delete once, failed, then Powered Off, the title would have been okay.


ValVita

opieandy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

DVDR3575 CUTTING FRONT/END SECTIONS AND COMMERCIALS USING SCENE-DELETE

FRONT-CUT -- Deleting Frame 1 to New Beginning Frame

1. SELECT EDIT > SCENE DELETE... menu has "Start" highlighted and title begins playing.
2. PRESS REW... use REW only, any speed, title auto-pauses on 1st frame.
3. PRESS OK... sets Start point and switches menu to "End."
4. PRESS PLAY... move to and pause on new/desired 1st frame using PLAY/PAUSE-mode buttons.*
5. PRESS OK... and answer Yes to confirmation questions.

*In PLAY mode: FF/REW for fast play...NEXT/PREV for Chapter moves...SKIP/REPLAY for preset moves...PAUSE for frame-stop.
In PAUSE mode: FF/REW for slow play...NEXT/PREV for single-frame moves...PLAY to get out of PAUSE mode.


If you're already in the Scene Delete menu doing other cuts and a long way from the beginning, you can BACK out to the EDIT > SCENE DELETE menu and start fresh at the beginning, OR make sure "Start" is highlighted, then get back to front w/REPLAY, REW or PREV. These buttons won't Pause on 1st frame, so let it play from beginning again and use the same REW procedure to go backwards to an auto-pause on 1st frame. Press OK to set Start point, etc.

If it refuses to REW, press the PREV button (while in PLAY mode) until it goes back to the beginning, let it auto-play a few sec, then press the REW button, etc.

END-CUT -- Deleting from New Last Frame to End of Title

1. SELECT EDIT > SCENE DELETE... menu has "Start" highlighted and title begins playing.
2. MOVE TO and pause on new/desired end frame using PLAY/PAUSE-mode buttons.*
3. PRESS OK... sets Start point and switches menu to "End."
4. PRESS PLAY... move to last frame of title using PLAY/PAUSE-mode buttons.*
. . Use only FF, any speed, for last move to end... red progress bar stops on last frame.
5. ARROW DOWN TO "DELETE"... ignore what's playing on screen.
6. PRESS OK... and answer Yes to confirmation questions.

*In PLAY mode: FF/REW for fast play...NEXT/PREV for Chapter moves...SKIP/REPLAY for preset moves...PAUSE for frame-stop.
In PAUSE mode: FF/REW for slow play...NEXT/PREV for single-frame moves...PLAY to get out of PAUSE mode.


After FF ends, you'll notice that the menu selection automatically goes to and starts a Preview, but the red progress bar remains solidly on the end frame. You'll see a few frames at the end and then the beginning of the title, with the frame counter moving. You can watch the Preview, Preview it again, or just IGNORE it... the end cut is so accurate and repeatable, you don't need to wait for an auto-Preview (and don't be confused by seeing the beginning of the title), just arrow down and select "Delete."

MID-CUT -- Deleting a Specific Scene/Commercial from a Title

1. SELECT EDIT > SCENE DELETE... menu has "Start" highlighted and title begins playing.
2. MOVE TO and pause on first frame of scene/commercial to be cut using PLAY/PAUSE-mode buttons.*
3. PRESS OK... sets Start point and switches menu to "End."
4. PRESS PLAY... move to and pause on last frame of scene/commercial to be cut using PLAY/PAUSE-mode buttons.*
5. PRESS OK...sets End point and switches menu to "Preview."
6. PRESS PREVIEW... if you want to Preview the cut before committing to deletion...there's no "undo" option. If not what you want, you can go back to Start and End points with up/dn arrow, reset one or both points, then Preview again. You can reset/Preview as many times as you need until you're satisified. You can also BACK out to Edit menu and start over.
7. ARROW DOWN TO "DELETE."
8. PRESS OK... and answer Yes to confirmation questions.

*In PLAY mode: FF/REW for fast play...NEXT/PREV for Chapter moves...SKIP/REPLAY for preset moves...PAUSE for frame-stop.
In PAUSE mode: FF/REW for slow play...NEXT/PREV for single-frame moves...PLAY to get out of PAUSE mode.



NOTE: NEVER USE DIVIDE TO DELETE FRONT, END OR MID-TITLE SCENES (COMMERCIALS). IF YOU NEED TO DIVIDE FOR ANOTHER REASON, LIKE SEPARATING SHOWS IN A CONTINUOUS RECORDING, ALWAYS MAKES SCENE DELETES FIRST (IF ANY), THEN DIVIDE.


wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Good info wabjxo, as usual.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
To delete the end of a title is very easy.

Select the START point (make sure you set it w/the OK button, menu selection will switch to End), then FF to the end and the bar will STICK on the end even tho you might see an auto-Preview start if you wait long enough. The menu selection automatically goes to Preview after a sec or two, but END point remains at the END, so don't be "confused" by what might be playing on screen. The end cut is so accurate and repeatable, just arrow down and select DELETE. The end will be cut perfectly...made many of these cuts and don't even preview anymore. Don't worry about what it's playing before you select Delete, it's going back to beginning on Preview cause that's all it can play from-to...if you're fast enough, it won't even start a Preview.
I also use the method you describe, and it works fine. The only thing I would point out is that if you select the Preview, by using the OK button, it will display the last 5 seconds that will be on the final recording. I usually do that to make certain I set the Start Point of the Scene Delete where I wanted it. Sometimes I discover that I would have chopped off a few bars of the closing music, or included a few frames of the commercial following the end of the program. If you are careful when you set the Start Point, you probably do not need worry.

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenavs
I also use the method you describe, and it works fine. The only thing I would point out is that if you select the Preview, by using the OK button, it will display the last 5 seconds that will be on the final recording. I usually do that to make certain I set the Start Point of the Scene Delete where I wanted it. Sometimes I discover that I would have chopped off a few bars of the closing music, or included a few frames of the commercial following the end of the program. If you are careful when you set the Start Point, you probably do not need worry.
Since you can move frame-by-frame to select a Start point, not sure why you'd miss the point you wanted. The only thing that might move/change the point you select is a High-speed dub (I haven't checked an end-cut for that HS-dub movement!?)

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Since you can move frame-by-frame to select a Start point, not sure why you'd miss the point you wanted. The only thing that might move/change the point you select is a High-speed dub (I haven't checked an end-cut for that HS-dub movement!?)
I sometimes just hit the pause button at normal play speed, rather than stepping frame by frame, so I use Preview to check that I paused where I wanted to. Also, with frame by frame, I am sometimes concerned that I may chop off desired audio, or include undesired audio of frames that have identical video.

Obviously, whatever works for you.

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Well we just got our new 3575h all up and running here. The channel scan for our off air antennas ran great and grapped all of the channels that we wanted. Now we just have to learn all of the features.
Steve

satellitesteve

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
To delete the end of a title is very easy.

Select the START point (make sure you set it w/the OK button, menu selection will switch to End), then FF to the end and the bar will STICK on the end even tho you might see an auto-Preview start if you wait long enough. The menu selection automatically goes to Preview after a sec or two, but END point remains at the END, so don't be "confused" by what might be playing on screen. The end cut is so accurate and repeatable, just arrow down and select DELETE. The end will be cut perfectly...made many of these cuts and don't even preview anymore. Don't worry about what it's playing before you select Delete, it's going back to beginning on Preview cause that's all it can play from-to...if you're fast enough, it won't even start a Preview.

To recover from a Divide problem/freeze, I've had success just BACKing out to the TV pic, then re-entering the Title menu, letting the index pics regenerate fully, then go back in to edit. I've also found a possible solution: delete all chapter marks before starting to edit...deletes create new chapter marks and those that get too close to existing chapter marks cause confusion. I now record to the HDD with Chapter Marking set to OFF.

ANother solution to the Divide/Delete problem is to always make your Scene Deletes first, then Divide the title. Also, while deleting scenes, try to avoid getting new chapter marks being set by each Scene Delete on top of auto-chapter marks (if you have them set). That seems to prevent any freezes or other problems.
Thanks, wabxjo. Great information. I thought the end-point was not sticking because it went to 'preview' before I could hit 'end.' I'll check out what you're saying as soon as my HDD isn't busy (recording right now).

Do you have any advice for cutting off the very beginning of a scene? I've paused and then backed-up frame by frame, but that is a frustrating process since if you go to far, it again goes into preview. So I just title-divide.

Chris

opieandy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

One glaring weakness (at least until wabxjo chimes in with ways around it!) of the Philips 3575 is the archaic editing mode. The only way to move around in the title is by skipping or fast-forward / rewind (and, as wabxjo has noted, chapter marks can be a problem when editing, but if I don't have them, it will really take me a long time to move around in my 3-hour + football games).

Why not allow the user to bring up the 'info' bar and select a specific time-oriented point in the title?

I guess if I were more sophisticated, I would figure out how to get the titles to my PC, and buy some software to edit them on the PC. But I'm not that sophisticated (and/or don't have that much time!).

Chris

opieandy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Here's another frustration, while I'm in the grumbling mood.

The 'scene delete' on my unit is extremely tempermental. That's why I'm using title-divide so much. 'Scene delete' seems to only work one time before needing to 'reboot.' Title-divide has not failed to work yet.

Chris

opieandy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

NOTE: For procedure on deleting front and back of a title, see Post #1907 above. This post combines other notes from that post not related to front- or end-cuts.

Freezing can occur if you Divide then Delete esp. if you have auto-set chapters and are deleting near those chapter marks (which sets new chapter marks at each delete point). A way to avoid the Divide/Delete problem is to always make your Scene Deletes first, then Divide the title.

Also, while deleting scenes, try to avoid getting new chapter marks being set by each Scene Delete on top of auto-chapter marks (if you have them set). That seems to prevent any freezes or other problems.

I had a problem with colliding chapter marks on a title with 5-min suto-chapter setting. If you need chapter marks to help edit long titles, like football games, a 10-min setting should be the min... 15 minutes might be better? That may help reduce the possibility of new chapter marks set by editing from being too close to the auto-set ones.

In case you get into a Divide problem/freeze, I've had success just BACKing out to the TV pic, then re-entering the Title menu, letting the index pics regenerate fully, then going back in to Edit. At that point, I've had success deleting all chapter marks before re-starting the Scene Deletes. Deletes create new chapter marks and those that get too close to existing chapter marks might cause confusion. I now record to the HDD with Chapter Marking set to OFF.

Sometimes Scene Delete doesn't "take" on the first try, so always try at least once more to be sure.

You can't use the INFO bar to get to a time-point while in the EDIT menu, so it's up to SKIP/REPLAY, FF/REW, and PREV/NEXT for long, short, and frame moves, with positional help from the time counter at bottom right of the menu.

The SKIP and REPLAY buttons could be more help if their setting wasn't more important for skipping commercial during normal playback. A std SKIP setting of 1-min. works best for watching so you can get 1, 2, 3 min. skips to fit the new, irregular timing of commercials. A longer setting would work best for editing, but it's too much trouble to change the setting just for editing. So I just settle for 1-min skips.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I found out that mine was built in May 2007, so I guess it is going back. Will ordering this from Walmart.com necessarily guarantee the most recent manufacture?

Jim1348

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim1348
I found out that mine was built in May 2007, so I guess it is going back. Will ordering this from Walmart.com necessarily guarantee the most recent manufacture?
The only way to guarantee a July or later build is to call Philips and tell them you have the digital channel loss problem and get a factory replacement. (Tho I think your "A-B Switch" has more to do with that...as soon as you throw the switch, you lose channels...hmmm!? Feed it a stable, single-source signal and then see if you still have a "clunker"?)

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
I just tested a Scene Delete front-cut and it's as easy as an end-cut:

1. Select EDIT > SCENE DELETE. Menu has "Start" highlighted.
2. While it's auto-playing, REW backwards to beginning (any speed) and it will auto-PAUSE at the first frame.
3. Press OK to set the Start point.
4. Go to desired End point...where you want the title to start... with FF/NEXT and press OK.

If you're already in the Scene Delete menu doing other cuts, make sure "Start" is highlighted, then get back to front w/REPLAY, REW or PREV. These buttons won't Pause on 1st frame, so let it play from beginning again and use the same REW procedure to go backwards to auto-PAUSE on 1st frame. Press OK to set Start point, etc.

For this procedure to work, you MUST be in the Scene Delete menu, must have START highlighted, and must use the REW button to get it to auto-Pause on 1st frame. Also, if it refuses to REW (can happen), press the PREV button to force it back to the beginning, let it play a few sec, then press the REW button, etc.

On your "temperamental" scene deletes, it sounds as if you're Dividing to get what you want, but then trying to Scene Delete? If so, that will become fussy and could even freeze, esp. if you have auto-set chapters and are deleting near those chapter marks (which sets new chapter marks at each delete point).

I had a problem with colliding chapter marks on a title with 5-min suto-chapter setting. I think if you need chapter marks to help edit long titles, like football games, a 10-min setting should be the min. setting...15 minutes might be better? That may help reduce the possibility of new chapter marks set by editing from being too close to the auto-set ones.

I found that Scene Delete sometimes doesn't "take" on first try, so always try at least once more to be sure. If you get a fussy or frozen title, esp. if you've Divided first (a real no-no), BACK out of menus to a normal TV pic, then go back to Title list and let index pics regenerate. Select title and EDIT, and try again. Another thing to try is deleting all Chapter Marks before editing.

To avoid Divide/Delete problems, always make Scene Deletes before dividing a title...Dividing should be the last thing you do.

As you noted, you can't use the INFO bar to get to a time-point, so it's up to SKIP/REPLAY, FF/REW, and PREV/NEXT for long, short, and frame moves, with positional help from the time counter at bottom right of the menu.

The SKIP and REPLAY buttons could be more help if their setting wasn't more important for skipping commercial during normal playback. A std SKIP setting of 1-min. works best for watching so you can get 1, 2, 3 min. skips to fit the new, irregular timing of commercials. A longer setting would work best for editing, but it's too much trouble to change the setting just for editing. So I just settle for 1-min skips.
Thanks, wabxjo. I always try scene-delete before title-divide, so that is not an issue. Often, I scene-delete, then after previewing it and selecting delete, I get the dreaded red circle with slash through it. I turn the unit off and back on, and it works fine. This seems most prevalent when deleting the at the very beginning or end. I don't think it has ever happened when deleting in the middle.

Now, I'm back to the issue of DVD's not being able to finalize ('finalize' is greyed out). Reboot isn't working.

As you noted, there are workarounds to almost everything. It just amazes me that, in 2007, the editing capabilities provided by the manufacturer are so unuser-friendly. We sent a man to the moon in 1969...

Chris

opieandy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by opieandy
Thanks, wabxjo. I always try scene-delete before title-divide, so that is not an issue. Often, I scene-delete, then after previewing it and selecting delete, I get the dreaded red circle with slash through it.
Do you have Auto-Chapter on and, if so, what interval are you using?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelson
Frankly, if I were the owner of a 3575 I would find it far more desirable that they fix the glaring editing bugs and substandard tuner issues first. I find it amazing that people are buying this DVDR with the presumption, and even expectation, that they will probably have to exchange it a couple times or send it back to the factory for a refurb before they get a unit that functions correctly.

I know, I know . . . what else is there.
I tend to agree with almost everything you said. I definetely agree that the priority should definetly be fixing the known issues.

I have not heard anything to indicate that Philps plans to do anything about the "Title Split"/"Scene Delete" issues. If they will not work on that, why would they invest effort in adding new features that were never promised to a purchaser. I have found that I can live with the "Title Split"/"Scene Delete" issues, but it would be nice if they fixed them (if a firmware update can do that).

I have never seen a channel memory loss, but I am OTA only. Philips seems to have made some efforts in this area, but I suspect that they may be trying to hit moving targets. Cable systems are changing all the time, and I do not know if there are any standards that the cable companies are required to follow. Actually, I have not noticed anything in the Philips specifications that even mentions a QAM tuner. The only thing I am aware of that implies that it has one is the user manual info on selecting digital or analog cable during scanning. Has anyone seen QAM in any Philips documentation for this unit? I often see people talking about the ATSC tuner and cable, but an ATSC tuner has nothing to do with cable systems.

I wanted a next generation VCR. I got what I wanted. My unit has an ATSC tuner that does a good job receiving my local channels over my antenna and I find the picture quality to be quite acceptable for watching most TV programs. Personally, I am not willing to spend the money to record HD.

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenavs
One possibility is that your friendly local cable company is testing or converting to dynamic channel assignment or dynamic channel change or dynamic channel management. I have noticed some discusions in other forums and blogs. It does not effect me since I do not have cable, but, based on what I read, conversion to dynamic channel will cause big problems for most simple QAM tuners. As I understand it, the cable company assigns channels to a distribution area on an "as needed" basis. If no one is watching a channel, the cable spectrum it was using may get reassigned to another channel. The cable company provided cable boxes and cable cards know about this. They send a signal that a customer wants a specific channel. The system tells the cable box where to tune to receive it.
Those of you experiencing funny things with your cable may want to do a little research. I don't know whether you can get a straight answer from your local cable, but you could give them a call.
Thanks for the info. If this is the case, that will be really bad for me. I bought 3575 mostly because my TV doesn't have a tuner and I don't want to pay over $50/month to Comcast when all I want is local HD broadcast. Of course, DVDR is another reason I want 3575.

If what you said is true, those standalone HD tuner wouldn't work either, right?

TheBigGuy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigGuy
...My 3575 has a January 2008 manufacture date. Is there anyway I can check the firmware version?...
On the remote, press Skip, then 1 2 3.
The screen that comes up will show the firmware version.
If you have a blank disc in the drive you can then
press the right arrow key to see if the MID of the
disc is supported by the firmware.
Caution: To get out of the info screens do not press
the OK key - that will reset everything back to the default.
Instead, press the Back key.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhjellen
I recently purchased a Philips 3575 after my LG dvd recorder died. I must say that the Philips has more features which is nice, but the picture is horrible. There are noticible vertical lines and the brightness is horrible. I literally have had to turn the brightness up all the way on my display in order to get a viewable picture. This obviously distorts the other aspects of the picture (contrast, color, sharpness, etc) and essentially makes the picture imperfections so distracting that I cannot enjoy watching television.
The problem with the picture includes all information that is output throught the HDMI. I have tried varying the settings on the DVR and other obvious modifications/tests to make sure it is the DVR. It is certainly the DVR. I had called Phillips and the (first level) tech response had no idea what I was talking about and he suggested I send it in to Philips. I was within 30 days of the purchase, so I returned it and got another thinking it may have been a problem with that specific DVR. I was very dissapointed to find that the problem persisted with the next one I got.
How do pre-recorded DVDs look? Do they have sufficient brightness?
I have commented in the past on how anything that is viewed/recorded to the HDD/DVDR through the ATSC tuner on the 3575 looks dark to me, but regular DVDs look fine. I don't see much difference between the component and HDMI in terms of darkness; they're both dark. Seems that the conversion from ATSC to NTSC for recording does not quite preserve the levels.

Note though that there is an option in the HDMI menu that lets you use expanded RGB colorspace. Have you tried enabling/disabling this option or trying to match it with a similar option on your display?

chrisb0

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigGuy
What I'm thinking now is, is it possible that I can't view some channels (expecially HD ones) because the signal strength on my cable is not high enough? I was able to view these channel for a few hours because signal strength for the channels fluctuate from time to time? If that's the case, maybe I can either add a signal booster, or have Comcast re-adjust my signal strength. I guess this is easier to test out before returning 3575. BTW, my house is 7 years old, so the cable should be in good shape.
I have two Comcast OTA HD stations that give me problems but not on the 3575 but on my TV. One is related to signal strength (dropped picture, tearing) and I have no idea what causes the other (short freeze). I got rid of the dropped picture problem with a new cable run, but still have the freeze problem on ABC.

If your Comcast signal is like mine, the low channel numbers are OTA stations with most of the correct numbers. It seems you have lost these but retain the upper numbers.

My guess is it may be the 3575. But with Comcast you can never be sure. It would be nice to have a TV with an ATSC tuner, since that would confirm either a problem or not. You might not get the same channels but they would be close ( a couple might be different).

But before you return it, I would suggest the standard reset of the unit and re-scan the channels. If you have scheduled programs, write them down. Go to set-up and reset to factory defaults. Turn it off, unplug it for at least several minutes and then plug it back in and go through the initial set-up again.

Also, if you get the blue screen again, try shifting back to analog and then to digital. Sometimes this fixes the problem.

beekeeper

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisb0
How do pre-recorded DVDs look? Do they have sufficient brightness?
I have commented in the past on how anything that is viewed/recorded to the HDD/DVDR through the ATSC tuner on the 3575 looks dark to me, but regular DVDs look fine. I don't see much difference between the component and HDMI in terms of darkness; they're both dark. Seems that the conversion from ATSC to NTSC for recording does not quite preserve the levels.
From my experience with the 3575 pre-recorded DVD's looked fine. It was only DVD's recorded on the 3575 that looked dark on it, and other DVD players.
Note if I turned the brightness up almost all the way it did look better, but then if I played the DVD on another unit/input on my TV, I would need to crank up the brightness on that input, and if I played a pre-recorded DVD on the Philips I would have to turn the brightness way back down.
I do not have this brightness problem with my Panasonic EZ-17 which also has a ATSC tuner, so I don't think the darkness is inherent to the conversion, but unique to the 3575, and it seems not everyone has the problem. I used HDMI for my output and the setting you spoke of didn't really effect the darkness much. Maybe it's more of a DVDR/TV incompatibility thing. I have a Panny LCD TV.

jjeff

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck44
On the remote, press Skip, then 1 2 3.
The screen that comes up will show the firmware version.
If you have a blank disc in the drive you can then
press the right arrow key to see if the MID of the
disc is supported by the firmware.
Caution: To get out of the info screens do not press
the OK key - that will reset everything back to the default.
Instead, press the Back key.
Thanks for the info. Now the question, what is the latest version of firmware reported here? I will check mine tonight and report back.

TheBigGuy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by beekeeper
I have two Comcast OTA HD stations that give me problems but not on the 3575 but on my TV. One is related to signal strength (dropped picture, tearing) and I have no idea what causes the other (short freeze). I got rid of the dropped picture problem with a new cable run, but still have the freeze problem on ABC.
When I had signal strength issue with Comcast STB, it was with a couple of HD stations too, not all. I understand that you got new cable run. Did you try a signal booster? Is it possible that the new cable makes the signal strong enough for the other station, but not ABC?

Quote:
But before you return it, I would suggest the standard reset of the unit and re-scan the channels. If you have scheduled programs, write them down. Go to set-up and reset to factory defaults. Turn it off, unplug it for at least several minutes and then plug it back in and go through the initial set-up again.
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried reset once but didn't do turn-off and unplug after the reset. I noticed that all settings except date/time were reset to default. I will try the "standard reset" tonight. Fingers crossed...

Also, is this unit firmware updatable? I'd hate to have to return it and wait for a new one...

Quote:
Also, if you get the blue screen again, try shifting back to analog and then to digital. Sometimes this fixes the problem.
Thanks for the tip. I already learned this one for the channels that I can view now. It didn't help with those channels I was once able to view but not anymore.

TheBigGuy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigGuy
Thanks for the info. Now the question, what is the latest version of firmware reported here? I will check mine tonight and report back.
Current FW:
BE Version: HD4P3374EH1E
FE Version: R40_016_000

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by jjeff
I do not have this brightness problem with my Panasonic EZ-17 which also has a ATSC tuner, so I don't think the darkness is inherent to the conversion, but unique to the 3575, and it seems not everyone has the problem. I used HDMI for my output and the setting you spoke of didn't really effect the darkness much. Maybe it's more of a DVDR/TV incompatibility thing. I have a Panny LCD TV.
I wasn't very clear in saying it, but you're right that is a problem with the Philip's ATSC-NTSC conversion, not the conversion in general. I have also seen mention of similar issues over in the "New Walmart HDD/DVDR-Magnavox H2080MW8" thread, the unit also being made by Funai and essentially the Philips with a smaller HD (not sure if it has HDMI).

chrisb0

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Is this a black-level problem? Is there a menu setting on the Phillips that allows selection of black-level. Early Toshibas had problems with black-level that persisted through several generations.

Kelson

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wajo
Current FW:
BE Version: HD4P3374EH1E
FE Version: R40_016_000
Here is what I got with Skip 123:

Model Name: E2H4OUD
DTV-S Version: 0x90
FE Version: R40_026_000
BE Version: HD4P3374EH1E
TT Version: T4015RDU

Looks like I do have a newer version of FE. Maybe this newer version is buggy?

TheBigGuy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigGuy

Thanks for the suggestion. I tried reset once but didn't do turn-off and unplug after the reset. I noticed that all settings except date/time were reset to default. I will try the "standard reset" tonight. Fingers crossed...
OK, I did the reset: since I was doing "Skip 123" to check the firmware version, I chose to press "OK" after that to get default setting. 3575 turned off, and clock setting went away -- I guess reset worked... Then I unplug it for 15-20 minutes, power on, rescan. Still no luck. Scan didn't pickup lower number channels, manually changing to those channels still gets blue screen.

TheBigGuy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I am on my 4th unit. This is a December build. Looks like it has the latest software. This unit finally can do a full channel scan without getting hung up on DTV 135. Channels stay put in memory. I have mentioned before that viewing the same channel feed on analog vs digital there definately is a large difference in black level (digital is way too dark). Viewind a DVD seems ok so it a level translation issue on the digital tuner side. Every time I call Philips and talk to various people there they always say that they have never heard of this problem before. They appearently have never seen this forum or have been sworn to never acknowledge it. This unit has been in production for 10 months now and its obvious that they do not care to address any outstanding issues at this point. Europe has several new models but no news of any US models appearing here. I guess we live with what we got or ebay it and find something else that can do the job.

captainvid

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigGuy
When I had signal strength issue with Comcast STB, it was with a couple of HD stations too, not all. I understand that you got new cable run. Did you try a signal booster? Is it possible that the new cable makes the signal strong enough for the other station, but not ABC?
I ran the cable, not Comcast. Got rid of a splitter and ran it directly. That did fix my CBS problem but not ABC. Even with a signal booster, I still have occasional jitter on ABC. I think it is a combo station/Comcast problem that probably does not show up on a Comcast box but does in the clear. However, the 3575 records ABC HD just fine, so it is my TV's problem. When I get the jitter, I just shift to the 3575 and put up with a 480i "HD" input.

It is unfortunate you do not have a TV with a digital tuner as it would show where the problem is. Right now, you can only assume that it is the 3575, but that is a fair assumption since the problem is classic (the loss of lower numbered channels but not the higher ones). In many earlier posts the reason was probably Comcast's remapping of the stations.

beekeeper

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by captainvid
I have mentioned before that viewing the same channel feed on analog vs digital there definately is a large difference in black level (digital is way too dark).
The input from component is (in my eyes) is as good as HDMI as far as pq, but the HDMI picture is definitely darker. So I leave the input as component. My Vizio does a better job of up-converting than the 3575 anyway.

When I used the HDMI input, I had to set up the TV to handle the darker picture. I still have that setting (and HDMI cable from the 3575), but component is fine and has the same setting as the coax input. Plus, my Vizio does not handle 1080p in PIP (does handle 1080i) so the HDMI feed from the 3575 is fine until I use PIP (which I use a lot with sports).

I also found that there is probably some sort of handshake protocol between the 3575 and TV with HDMI and when I shifted from HDMI to component (to make PIP work) while recording, the 3575 would freeze up, another reason for me to stay with component all the time.

Long answer to say that, yes, HDMI is darker with the 3575, but most of us just live with it or stay with component or other TV inputs.

beekeeper

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

With my video setup the HDMI output of the 3575 produces about the same black level as the HDMI output of my Motorola satellite receiver, when set to YCbCr or RGB Standard. It's significantly darker when set to RGB Enhanced. In theory I should be able to compensate for that with the Black Level = Light/Dark input setting on my Pansonic TV, but in practice that adjustment goes the wrong way, which probably means that I chose the wrong reference standard in my earlier system setup.

It's a little difficult to figure out which source to use as the reference standard in a system with several sources, since most manufacturers seem to think that consumers won't understand black levels and don't publish any information on their settings. But in the end I don't really care as long as I'm getting a good picture and I don't have to keep changing the black level setting between inputs.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I compensate for the darker picture with HDD recordings by upping the brightness significantly. I use component to view my recordings and HDMI for my rented DVDs (so that my calibrations don't have to be constantly changed). But no matter how much I tinker with brightness and contrast, my recordings still suffer from a very noticeable loss of shadow detail. Since I am OTA only, there's nothing I can tune in as a static "calibration" picture since, sadly, most shows have those pesky moving images instead of static ones.

chrisb0

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wajo
Do you have some ref. on the 3597 playing "video" files thru its USB port.

Everything I've read so far by users says it plays only DivX files thru USB.

Here's one ref. discussing that.

P.S. Not sure if anyone has tried playing DivX on a stick thru the USB port on the 3575, but maybe it too can do that? You'd have to read the linked posts cuz I think there's some info there on how they need to be prepared for play.

It could be one of those "undocumented" features, like the one found by a user that it does play Xvid files, even tho no mention in the manual.
http://www.consumer.philips.com/cons...5&compare=true

Specifications tab --> Video Playback section near the bottom:
"Playback Media: CD-R/CD-RW , DVD+R/+RW , DVD-R/-RW , DVD-Video , Video CD/SVCD , DVD+R DL , DVD-R DL , USB flash drive"

Oh, and I believe I was the first one to recognize and post that the 3575 played XviD's although no mention of it ANYWHERE in any documention nor posts which I had previously seen...

BurntPixlz

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

BurntPixlz, I'm not sure that necessarily means that the 3597 plays DivX files from USB. Manufacturers like Philips are often vague and misleading in these feature lists - they could list that same specification for the 3575 without it technically being a lie. I'd want to see a specific statement that it plays ALL types of media files from ALL playback media before I would rely on it. Or a report from someone who has actually tried it with this unit.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Many units offer a USB port-in option as a way of viewing jpegs or playing MP3's. The USB option may have noting to do with video.

Kelson

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by beekeeper
It is unfortunate you do not have a TV with a digital tuner as it would show where the problem is. Right now, you can only assume that it is the 3575, but that is a fair assumption since the problem is classic (the loss of lower numbered channels but not the higher ones). In many earlier posts the reason was probably Comcast's remapping of the stations.
Sorry I'm a little confused. If the problem is caused by Comcast's remapping, it is not 3575's problem, right?

Does Comcast's remapping of the stations frequently happen? As I've scanned (and tried manually changing stations) close to 10 times in the past 3 days, is what I experienced below classic?

1. My very first scan got all lower numbered channels (local HD broadcast and some DTV stations), and at least 15 higher numbered channels.
2. I started the 2nd scan when I was watching a lower numbered channel. The scan got only some (not all from 1st scan) higher numbered channels, and none lower numbered channels. Manually changing to the lowered numbered channel I was watching didn't work.
3. All my later scans could only get higher numbered channels -- sometimes as many as 15 channels, sometimes as little as 2 channels, and sometimes in between, such as 5-7 channels.
4. Every time after a scan, I can't manually get to a channel that worked after some other scans but was not discovered by the latest scan.

From what I observed, it looks to me, either my 3575 (Jan 2008 version) is bad, or Comcast constantly re-map the stations.

BTW, I tried with a signal booster too. It didn't help with lower numbered channels.

TheBigGuy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigGuy
Sorry I'm a little confused. If the problem is caused by Comcast's remapping, it is not 3575's problem, right?

Does Comcast's remapping of the stations frequently happen? As I've scanned (and tried manually changing stations) close to 10 times in the past 3 days, is what I experienced below classic?

1. My very first scan got all lower numbered channels (local HD broadcast and some DTV stations), and at least 15 higher numbered channels.
2. I started the 2nd scan when I was watching a lower numbered channel. The scan got only some (not all from 1st scan) higher numbered channels, and none lower numbered channels. Manually changing to the lowered numbered channel I was watching didn't work.
3. All my later scans could only get higher numbered channels -- sometimes as many as 15 channels, sometimes as little as 2 channels, and sometimes in between, such as 5-7 channels.
4. Every time after a scan, I can't manually get to a channel that worked after some other scans but was not discovered by the latest scan.

From what I observed, it looks to me, either my 3575 (Jan 2008 version) is bad, or Comcast constantly re-map the stations.

BTW, I tried with a signal booster too. It didn't help with lower numbered channels.
You just might be a victim of "Switched Video"!

Here's an article on Comcast rolling it out in 2nd half of 2007 after a 2-market test (Denver and New Jersey).

Here's a Wiki entry on Switched Video for more info.

I think that, if you don't tune the cableco's signal with their box, a standalone device won't be able to maintain a signal on its own... depends entirely on what your neighbors with boxes are watching?

THIS MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY I'VE READ ABOUT THIS PROBLEM MOSTLY FROM COMCAST SUBSCRIBERS... sort of wondered why so many of them had a tuning problem!?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Seems like having a QAM tuner is rapidly becoming a "nothing" feature.

Kelson

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I think this is why DVDR's really down play the QAM thing. Panasonic doesn't even mention the word QAM on it's EZ series DVDR's. And looking at the title of this thread, it also doesn't mention QAM?

jjeff

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Follwoing Comcast's lead, Cox and Cablevision have also done the SDV rollout in some or all their markets, as mentioned in this article.

Time Warner (TW) started in Austin and has rolled "Switched Digital Video" (SDV) out to 50% of its markets, as mentioned in this article...

I subscribe to TW w/o a box and haven't seen loss of digital tuning... YET.

Probably cuz they started with only 50% of their market in late 2007 and just haven't gotten to my small podunk market yet!?

All QAM tuners beware!

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wajo
Follwoing Comcast's lead, Cox and Cablevision have also done the SDV rollout in some or all their markets, as mentioned in this article.

Time Warner (TW) started in Austin and has rolled "Switched Digital Video" (SDV) out to 50% of its markets, as mentioned in this article...

I subscribe to TW w/o a box and haven't seen loss of digital tuning... YET.

Probably cuz they started with only 50% of their market in late 2007 and just haven't gotten to my small podunk market yet!?

All QAM tuners beware!
I believe this new "Feature" may go by quite a few names. In article 3360 I pointed out that:
Quote:
One possibility is that your friendly local cable company is testing or converting to dynamic channel assignment or dynamic channel change or dynamic channel management. I have noticed some discusions in other forums and blogs. It does not effect me since I do not have cable, but, based on what I read, conversion to dynamic channel will cause big problems for most simple QAM tuners. As I understand it, the cable company assigns channels to a distribution area on an "as needed" basis. If no one is watching a channel, the cable spectrum it was using may get reassigned to another channel. The cable company provided cable boxes and cable cards know about this. They send a signal that a customer wants a specific channel. The system tells the cable box where to tune to receive it.

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

IMHO, it is highly unlikely that OTA HD channels carried on cable will ever see SDV. SDV candidates tend to be less popular channels and definitely not channels that could otherwise be received via an antenna. ... IMHO

Budget_HT

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

They've been doing this with the on demand channels for a long time here. You'll be watching one you've snagged and it will suddenly jump a channel up or down.
They have never, as of yet, done it with the locals and main big channels that happen to be on digital. They do every so often reassign main channels though so PBS might go from 90 to 14 like it did here. The network channels except for PBS have stayed at 63 and 91 with subs for the different ones. It works a lot like Cell phones do, it jumps to a unused frequency as needed, and the tuner has the brains to follow unnoticed to the viewer.

Dartman

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wajo
You just might be a victim of "Switched Video"!

Here's an article on Comcast rolling it out in 2nd half of 2007 after a 2-market test (Denver and New Jersey).

Here's a Wiki entry on Switched Video for more info.

I think that, if you don't tune the cableco's signal with their box, a standalone device won't be able to maintain a signal on its own... depends entirely on what your neighbors with boxes are watching?

THIS MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY I'VE READ ABOUT THIS PROBLEM MOSTLY FROM COMCAST SUBSCRIBERS... sort of wondered why so many of them had a tuning problem!?
I'm not really convinced that this is the problem I'm seeing. My last scan from 24 hours ago got about 20+ higher numbered channels, including CNN (I subscribe to very basic cable only). Today I'm still able to watch all these channels. Any other channels (local HD and DTV stations) that were not picked up by the scan, I still get blue screen when manually tuning to it. I checked during dinner time, 10pm, and at 1am. All the same.

If "Switched Video" is deployed in my area (SF Bay Area), and for all channels, it would be pretty strange that no one in my neighborhood with digital cable watches any local channel at all; and there are people always watching those 20 channels, including HSN even at 1am.

So I think the problem I have is, if a channel can be picked up by auto scan, I'm able to watch it; if not, I can't even manually switch to it. And the auto scan is buggy, resulting different channels each scan. I guess it's time to give Philips a call.

On a separate note, if "Switched Video" applies to all channels when deployed, I don't really know if I want to keep 3575 even if it's bug free.

What Budget_HT and Dartman said makes sense to me. I hope this would be the case when Comcast deploys "Switched Video".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Budget_HT
IMHO, it is highly unlikely that OTA HD channels carried on cable will ever see SDV. SDV candidates tend to be less popular channels and definitely not channels that could otherwise be received via an antenna. ... IMHO

TheBigGuy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
A milestone for this Philips 3575 thread:

The Most Viewed, Most Replied thread in DVD Recorder Forum history!

Might be a milestone but not a good one. In any AVS forum the most posts go to the unit with the most problems. A good unit has this curse, since it will be buried by all the bad ones that have continual questions and concerns. In the beginning, there will be a lot of posts, but these are all from first users and questions about the unit. As it goes along, the problems keep the thread going. So the good ones drop further down the page until they get to page two and are forgotten.

My flat screen is in this category. On the LCD flat screen forum it has disappeared, even though it was the #1 42" 1080p flat screen reviewed by CNET.

beekeeper

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by beekeeper
Might be a milestone but not a good one. In any AVS forum the most posts go to the unit with the most problems. A good unit has this curse, since it will be buried by all the bad ones that have continual questions and concerns. In the beginning, there will be a lot of posts, but these are all from first users and questions about the unit. As it goes along, the problems keep the thread going. So the good ones drop further down the page until they get to page two and are forgotten.

My flat screen is in this category. On the LCD flat screen forum it has disappeared, even though it was the #1 42" 1080p flat screen reviewed by CNET.
WOW, thanks for pointing that out... another record for this thread and the Philips 3575:

Most Viewed, Most Replied thread in DVD Recorder forum history...

WITH LEAST AMOUNT OF SERIOUS PROBLEMS!

Thanks, again!

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I disagree(with beekeeper). If you look at most of the posts on the 3575 you will see most are questions about features/operation of the unit. Not problems.
From what I've seen with this unit is that it is MORE reliable than anything currently out there. That's not saying it never breaks, but compared to the norm in digital tuner DVDR's, it's defiantly more reliable. I personally know I've had better luck with my 3575 than with my Panny's.

jjeff

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I tried some experiments with DivX discs to see if I could see anything like the copying functions jj025 reported, but no dice. If he did see some function to copy to HDD or USB on the 3575, it must have been some kind of fluke to do with a strange DVD format. Or perhaps he's mistaken about it being a DivX disc?

BTW, I always notice a few new things when I'm experimenting or scanning the manual:

- I belatedly noticed that the Chapter +/- buttons skip to the end/beginning of the HDD title list (not mentioned in the manual). Too bad they weren't a little smarter to provide a page +/- function instead of forcing us to cursor-arrow through the titles one at a time!

- I see that HDD recordings which are flagged "Copy Once" are supposed to have a special icon that appears on the index image in the HDD title list. Has anyone ever seen that?

- Hey, the manual says that you can start overwriting an existing DVD recording at an arbitrary point in the middle of a title. Wow, a DVD recorder that can overdub existing recordings!

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by jj025
Hope I,m on the right thread my DVD recorder has DVDR3575H/31 on bottom of machine. On my remote I have 4 coloured buttons. I purchased mine December 2007.
Quote:
Originally Posted by amesdp
I tried some experiments with DivX discs to see if I could see anything like the copying functions jj025 reported, but no dice. If he did see some function to copy to HDD or USB on the 3575, it must have been some kind of fluke to do with a strange DVD format. Or perhaps he's mistaken about it being a DivX disc?
Note the model no. in jj025's post: 3575H/31, a EU/UK version.

The U.S. model is 3575H/37.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Note the model no. in jj025's post: 3575H/31, a EU/UK version.
Ah, that explains it. The European models often have extra features or fewer copy protection restrictions than U.S. models. For example the UK model of my Panasonic plasma TV can record digital HD directly to an SD card - but that feature is removed from the firmware here.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Note the model no. in jj025's post: 3575H/31, a EU/UK version.

The U.S. model is 3575H/37.
Beat me to it wabjxo. I was just trying to search the Philips site to find the /31 model and found it mentioned on one page, but could never find any other links. That's because I was on the US site not the UK. I googled it and was finding it on european sites. I looked it up and sure enough his remote has some colored buttons on the 2nd row from the top.
Too bad I still have no idea how to help.

chrisb0

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I would like to be able to put a new, simple menu on DVDs I have created with the Philips recorder (and get rid of the empty title) before finalizing the disc. Is there a DVD authoring software which does the basics, nothing fancy, which is free or inexpensive? Anyone here who has used what I am looking for?

Fussy viewer

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
A milestone for this Philips 3575 thread:

The Most Viewed, Most Replied thread in DVD Recorder Forum history!

Thanks wabjxo for all your helpful posts. I've been following this thread ever since I started it and have been AMAZED about how much I can learn from other users.

I finally broke down and bought one in Oct and have no major complaints. An occasional lip-sync problem when playing from the HDD, but haven't had a chance to figure out what might cause it. Might be an issue with my TV?!?!

After some initial skepticism, the 3575 has even passed the wife test. One use of that PAUSE LIVE TV button and she was sold.

Thanks again to everyone for all the helpful posts.....Mike

mfm99

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfm99
Thanks wabjxo for all your helpful posts. I've been following this thread ever since I started it and have been AMAZED about how much I can learn from other users.

I finally broke down and bought one in Oct and have no major complaints. An occasional lip-sync problem when playing from the HDD, but haven't had a chance to figure out what might cause it. Might be an issue with my TV?!?!

After some initial skepticism, the 3575 has even passed the wife test. One use of that PAUSE LIVE TV button and she was sold.

Thanks again to everyone for all the helpful posts.....Mike
HEY, MFM99... the originator of this MONSTER thread!

Just look at all the fun you started. It seems like only yesterday.

Remember the first 5 pages or so of speculation, comparing the 3575 to all the other Philips of the past? I think they got this one right!


wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfm99
...An occasional lip-sync problem when playing from the HDD, but haven't had a chance to figure out what might cause it. Might be an issue with my TV?!?!...
I've had that problem a couple of times in the past.
It was always with recordings made from the local
PBS DTV station, so I figured it was the station and
not my 3575.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Hey All,

First, I'm glad to have made numerous contributions (mostly questions that were answered by wabxjo and others!) to this amazing thread.

Second, my unit is WORKING!!!!!!!!!

I got everything dubbed, leaving commercials in the last two shows that just would not cooperate, deleted everything off the HDD, went through the reset as described earlier, and recorded, edited and dubbed several football games. Works great! No problems at all! No red circles with a slash through it on Scene Delete!

Now, I haven't taped any 30-minute, back-to-back shows yet, but I will soon. But I haven't seen any buggy behavior at all in the past three days. I'm very encourage. So encouraged, in fact, that I went to Wal-Mart and picked up my third 3575. If that's not an endorsement, I don't know what is!

I'm so reformed that I'm dubbing shows as soon as possible, keeping the HDD empty if possible. It's pretty easy right now since I'm off work for the holidays. We'll see what happens when real life kicks back in. After what I went through, I think I will be reformed permanently!

This is only my second brand of DVD recorder. I bought a Sanyo about four years ago, and it was/is horrible. I still use it as an emergency backup (when there are 3-4 football games on at the same time), but it's just not nearly as easy to use. The menus are horrid, the features are poor, it's just not a great unit. Though it still works, so I shouldn't complain too much. But I'm really impressed with the Philips' unit. I have used my two for dozens and dozens of shows over the past three months, and other than me messing things up by filling up the HDD, they've worked beautifully. Sure, there are a few things I'd change if I could, but overall, it's a great machine. Thanks, Philips!

And I'd like to thank wabxjo for providing SO MUCH help to me and many others. Much better, more insightful support than I got from the FAQ-readers at Philips (who generally did try to help and I didn't have to sit on hold at all, so kudos to them). I'd also like to thank my parents, the Academy, and my fans, without whom none of this would be possible.



Chris

opieandy

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Which stores carry this philips and how much is it?
thanks

Kingram

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingram
Which stores carry this philips and how much is it?
thanks
See this page for some links to purchase, plus lots other info.

My local Wal-Mart just had six units on the shelf, most with October 2007 pack dates, one with April 2007. Usually, they one or two and they're gone before I leave the store!

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by opieandy
I'd also like to thank my parents, the Academy, and my fans, without whom none of this would be possible.



Chris
Well, for your gripping, real-life story of grit and determination, you deserve whatever award you've won!


wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Bump.

Has anyone got this unit to work with the G-Link (like on a Samsung DLP) for one touch recording using the TV's EPG and IR Blaster?

Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Okay, I've had this HDD/DVD recorder for a while now, and I find that I really am not using it to anywhere close to it's potential for one primary reason: The lack of an electronic program guide that would allow me to search through the TV listings and program my shows with 1 touch...


yesterday however, I had a cool idea... I have a Samsung DLP tv that has the built in "TV GUIDE" feature that also interfaces with their "G-Link" so that you can have one touch recording of shows that you're looking at on the DLP TV Guide using your VCR. I was thinking that it'd be wicked cool if I could somehow get the Philips HDD recorder to work with Samsung's D-Link.

Unfortunately, it's been a no-go so far. I tried to program the Philips HDD recorder using the methodology that Samsung has for controlling the VCR's with their D-link and so far I've not been able to get my DVDR3575 to respond to the DLink's I/R with any of the Philips codes or with any of the "brand not listed" codes.

I am sure that if we could get this feature to work, that MANY of us would be much happier with our units!!!

(or if you can suggest a comperable unit that does have the ability to record from an on-screen guide, I'm still within my return window since I bought this unit from wal-mart).

Thanks a ton,

Trayson

trayson

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I doubt if it will. There aren't even any remotes out which contain the code for it yet. It's too new.

Rammitinski

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
See this page for some links to purchase, plus lots other info.

My local Wal-Mart just had six units on the shelf, most with October 2007 pack dates, one with April 2007. Usually, they one or two and they're gone before I leave the store!
Wabjxo,

My sincere compliment for a very comprehensive list of features and usages. That's my idea of excellent technical writing (humorous and to the point). Are you a technology writer? Thanks for helping everybody on this forum.

I have a question about the topic "PQ for Watching TV thru the Tuner" on your list:

"I'm on Time Warner (TW) basic analog cable .......
You really don't have to try ALL the TV connection types possible in your system, it's your source that determines which type is best. HDMI is not better for watching TV in my composite system. Same for Component and S-Video. My system works better preserving my Composite feed all the way to the TV, rather than trying to split out its original, separate components (chroma, luma, sync, etc.).

For normal TV watching, OTA and satellite users should get a better pic from Component, S-Video or HDMI to their TV since their signal source is Component, not Composite like my cable feed."

Does that mean all cables transmit a Composite feed? (I also have Time Warner basic analog, my area is Southern California). Suppose I only watch TV with the TV tuner, would the Digital Composite give me any benefit with this DVDR, as far as watching recorded program or other usages?

Thanks,
MoP

mythofpower

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Mop, Your system is prob. identical to mine... composite cable feed, don't know what TV type. Depending on your TV, you should get your best PQ with digital composite cables. (I notice Wal-Mart is again stocking the same RCA cables I'm using, $17.88.)

There's some discussion and references in that post you read about using digital cables even for an analog signal cuz of their superior construction and tolerances, and the loss of pic detail in trying to separate the Component elements of a signal once it's compressed into a composite feed.

I'm not advising anyone to NOT try all connections possible in their system, but from a monetary $$$ standpoint, you can narrow down the most likely candidates based on the type of TV signal you receive.

My point in selecting cable/connection types to your TV is, if you feed a composite signal thru composite cables, the original signal is preserved. If you try to send the same composite signal thru the 3575's Component connections, the 3575 then has to separate or re-configure the composite signal into its Component elements, i.e., break it apart again. According to experts and maybe even logic, there's some loss of picture detail in trying to do the separation.

On the other hand, if you feed your TV a Component video signal, like from OTA or a commercial DVD, you'll want to preserve those components by using the S-Video, Component or HDMI connections and cables. (HDMI is awesome for comm. DVDs!)

I've never seen a clearer example of this than with my new LCD TV and the 3575... I get my best tuner and HDD pic out of my composite cable feed with digital composite cables to the TV, but I get a softer pic using S-Video, Component or HDMI for tuner or HDD rec. watching.

I do get my best commercial DVD pic with HDMI. I've also got my 3575 set for YCbCr in the HDMI menu cuz comm. DVDs are produced with YCbCR. Not sure if it matters but can't argue with the results... I don't think PQ can get any better in a SDTV system!.

P.S. FYI: I did use Component cables for my Composite connections for awhile, until I found the RCA Digital AV cables at Wal-Mart, so there's no magic in cables, except for digital vs analog and for interlaced and progressive, but that's another subject.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Mop, Your system is prob. identical to mine... composite cable feed, don't know what TV type. Depending on your TV, you should get your best PQ with digital composite cables. (I notice Wal-Mart is again stocking the same RCA cables I'm using, $17.88.)

There's some discussion and references in that post you read about using digital cables even for an analog signal cuz of their superior construction and tolerances, and the loss of pic detail in trying to separate the Component elements of a signal once it's compressed into a composite feed.

I'm not advising anyone to NOT try all connections possible in their system, but from a monetary $$$ standpoint, you can narrow down the most likely candidates based on the type of TV signal you receive.

My point in selecting cable/connection types to your TV is, if you feed a composite signal thru composite cables, the original signal is preserved. If you try to send the same composite signal thru the 3575's Component connections, the 3575 then has to separate or re-configure the composite signal into its Component elements, i.e., break it apart again. According to experts and maybe even logic, there's some loss of picture detail in trying to do the separation.

On the other hand, if you feed your TV a Component video signal, like from OTA or a commercial DVD, you'll want to preserve those components by using the S-Video, Component or HDMI connections and cables. (HDMI is awesome for comm. DVDs!)

I've never seen a clearer example of this than with my new LCD TV and the 3575... I get my best tuner and HDD pic out of my composite cable feed with digital composite cables to the TV, but I get a softer pic using S-Video, Component or HDMI for tuner or HDD rec. watching.

I do get my best commercial DVD pic with HDMI. I've also got my 3575 set for YCbCr in the HDMI menu cuz comm. DVDs are produced with YCbCR. Not sure if it matters but can't argue with the results... I don't think PQ can get any better in a SDTV system!.

P.S. FYI: I did use Component cables for my Composite connections for awhile, until I found the RCA Digital AV cables at Wal-Mart, so there's no magic in cables, except for digital vs analog and for interlaced and progressive, but that's another subject.
Wabxjo, thanks for your explanation. Yes, it seems we have almost identical identical system I'm connecting the 3575 to a Sharp LC42D64U.

It sounds like you're connecting all these outputs from the 3575 to the LCD, and use the LCD Input selector to switch to the best type of connection depending on the source?

mythofpower

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

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Originally Posted by mythofpower
Wabxjo, thanks for your explanation. Yes, it seems we have almost identical identical system I'm connecting the 3575 to a Sharp LC42D64U.

It sounds like you're connecting all these outputs from the 3575 to the LCD, and use the LCD Input selector to switch to the best type of connection depending on the source?
You got it! I've only got my two best sources connected: composite and HDMI, each for a specific purpose, as explained above.

I did customize my LCD settings for the 3575... "Standard" was OK but I found a great forum for my Vizio LCD where someone had collected a bunch of settings from various users and put them in a table. I cherry-picked that table and used the most-used settings, and it worked great.

In case you haven't been there, here's the LCD forum where you might find some "best" custom settings for your LCD.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

This is a copy/paste of a post I made in the sticky thread...maybe I should have made it here first but I hope someone can help before I throw this thing out the window..

Oh wow...I am almost beside myself right now.

After horrible experiences with Sony, Samsung and Panasonic dvd recorders I finally coughed up the dough for a 3575H as a last ditch effort. The setup went smoothly...the PQ from the tuner rivals the quality of the internal tuner in my Panny plasma (but not quite) so I was fairly pleased until...

I tried a recording tonight.
During playback I get this bright "flashing" that almost looks like a white band about 4 inches high and extending across the length of the screen near the bottom. I switch to the tuner to see if it is something with the broadcast and I notice the same thing happening. AHA! my local Fox affiliate is having trouble with their equipment tonight! Not so fast..

I switch to the internal tuner in the tv and get none of this on the same station...switch back to the tuner on the Philips and I still have the flashing (almost like some strange menu trying to pop up) on the very same channel that is fine with the internal Panny tuner.

Any ideas? Did I miss something in setup? Is the tuner bad and I'll get to experience the customer service of yet another wonderful company?

Don't get me wrong...I am not overly picky about my electronics, and over the years most everything I have bought works like it should right out of the box...I am either going through a very unlucky phase or there is some conspiracy to keep me from simply recording tv shows that I miss.

joemama127

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

If you are using HDMI, make sure the DVR is set to output at 1080i unless your TV is capable of 1080p, I made that mistake once and got a weird result with a FP. I think the HDMI is defaulted to 1080p for some odd reason.

PhiloT

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

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Originally Posted by PhiloT
If you are using HDMI, make sure the DVR is set to output at 1080i unless your TV is capable of 1080p, I made that mistake once and got a weird result with a FP. I think the HDMI is defaulted to 1080p for some odd reason.
My tv is 1080p....I pushed the "HDMI" button and the flashing went away. Does that button determine the resolution output?

joemama127

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Yes, that button activates HDMI for first time, then each press ups the res from 480p to 720p, 1080i and 1080p. Your display and the 3575 front panel should show which res your on.

wajo

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