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Updated: 2008-05-17 13:54:34 (7916)
Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Hi all....I thought I'd start this thread for the handful of folks like myself who still use OTA to get HDTV.

I found out about the Philips DVDR3575H over in the "Summary of ATSC Recorders" thread.

There is also a good link in that thread to Wikipedia where they have a link to a preliminary data sheet. (I can't post links, so hopefully someone else will post them below.)

I was originally leaning toward the new Pansasonic DMR-EZ17 or EZ27, but then I saw this Philips with the HDD for a comparable price and I'm intrigued. I've read lots of posts where people swear that an HDD unit is the only way to go.

I currently have a Magnavox DVDR, so I'm well aware of some of the quirks and limitations of a DVDR. It's starting to have problems recognizing discs, and I sure don't want to go back to using a VCR.

I've considered a TIVO or some other DVR, but I'm just too cheap to pay that monthly recurring charge. I like to pay one time up front.

Just stopped at Wally World and saw an empty shelf with the price tag.

Hope to get my hands on one of these soon.

I've never owned a Philips before, so I'm a little leary (although, I think Magnavox and Philips are the same company?).

Looking forward to reading others experiences with this Philips DVDR3575H.

Thanks in advance......Mike

Answers: Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner ( AVS Forum DVD Recorders )
Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Does it record a B&W image or just show one on the TV?

Knowing this might isolate the problem better. To be sure, you'll need to record to DVD and play it on another machine.
Haven't tried this yet but will and see the result.

Thanks,

Henry

hmcewin

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by hmcewin
Yes, I am familiar with the selection of Video or Svideo for the input on the back of the Phillips. It is set to Svideo.

Thanks. Can you think of anything esle.
That's usually a sign of a bad svideo cable or loose connection.

TimSH

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

ditto on the cable.. look for recessed pin.

Oldemanphil

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Guys, thanks but it ain't the cables. They work perfectly when used on another recorder. Appreciate your comments though.

Henry

hmcewin

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by hmcewin
Again has anyone attempted a setup using the "line in" imput on the back of the Phillips from either a sat, or cable set top box with the Phillips 3575 HDD?
I'm running S-Video from a Motorola sat tuner to the rear S-Video input on the 3575. No problem. What the other guys said about a bad pin sounds likely to me, since it would have to be something that affects only the color signal. The only other possibility I can think of is that your Dish receiver is sending PAL, but that doesn't seem likely.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by hmcewin
Haven't tried this yet but will and see the result.

Thanks,

Henry
In addition to rec. something on a DVD to see if it's input or output, some other WAGs:

I've noticed that, even tho I set my clock manually, it often resets ITSELF to Auto when I do a channel scan...I've done lots lately. Maybe check your Video In setting to make sure it stayed on S-Video?

Also only have S-Video In connected, not Video In too?

Maybe add a "Reset All" in Setup and go thru options again (doesn't lose channels, mostly clock, Chapter and Video In changes return to factory settings).

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Well, as an experiment, I decided to hook up my laptop to my Philips unit through the Firewire input to see if it would do anything. To my surprise, the laptop detected the Philips unit. After connected it to my laptop, my screen had a pop-up called AV/C Monitor detected. Then, it popped up a window stating that a new hardware was detected and that a AV/C Monitor driver was needed for the new hardware device. So, I did an automated driver check and it found nothing. I did a search and found a forum where a guy is working on a workaround for his unit, which isn't a Philips model. From what I've read, he's been able to tweak a system file in windows dedicated to the firewire plugins and was able to display images on his dvd recorder. I would assume you would have to use something like Powerstrip to output a 720X480 resolution picture to the unit in order to record it at SD resolution to a DVD. It would be nice to have this feature because even though S-video gives you a full SD resolution picture, it would be nice to have no digital to analog conversion as well as no reduction in color quality since S-video has the color signals modulated onto one wire.

lilyarbie

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
In addition to rec. something on a DVD to see if it's input or output, some other WAGs:

I've noticed that, even tho I set my clock manually, it often resets ITSELF to Auto when I do a channel scan...I've done lots lately. Maybe check your Video In setting to make sure it stayed on S-Video?

Also only have S-Video In connected, not Video In too?

Maybe add a "Reset All" in Setup and go thru options again (doesn't lose channels, mostly clock, Chapter and Video In changes return to factory settings).
Well I got over my hard-headeness (is this a word?) and went out and bought two new svid cables, hooked up and reset all to factory defaults, reprogrammed my system settings and voila, now the SVid in from my Dish VIP 622 works very well and records an absolutely fantastic image. Close to HD and equal to or better than commercial DVD's.

So I will eat my crow and say thanks to all who suggested it is the cables!!
Thanks to those who persisted in their advice about the cables.

I do not know why the old cables worked fine with my Panasonic recorder. Mystery!!

I appreciate your patience and advice.

Henry

hmcewin

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by hmcewin
...I do not know why the old cables worked fine with my Panasonic recorder. Mystery!!...
Maybe the Philips requires better cables or maybe the cables
picked the time you switched recorders to fail.
Either way, congrats on getting it fixed.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I have been using my 3575 for 2 days now and like it except am having editing problems. I got it for the editing capabilities. Sometimes it won't let me do scene deletes (commercials). I recorded a block of shows last night; about 2 hours in length. I did the Title Divide. Broke the 2 hours into 2 separate shows. It won't let me do any scene deletes in either show. I did deletes one time and all was fine of selected commercials in another 2 hour block I recorded. But now it won't allow scene deletes at all. Any ideas?

Tommy

webteck

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by webteck
I have been using my 3575 for 2 days now and like it except am having editing problems. I got it for the editing capabilities. Sometimes it won't let me do scene deletes (commercials). I recorded a block of shows last night; about 2 hours in length. I did the Title Divide. Broke the 2 hours into 2 separate shows. It won't let me do any scene deletes in either show. I did deletes one time and all was fine of selected commercials in another 2 hour block I recorded. But now it won't allow scene deletes at all. Any ideas?

Tommy
That issue has been discussed earlier in this thread.
Sorry I can't tell you which page.
There's a workaround, plus a possible fix in a future
firmware update.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by webteck
I have been using my 3575 for 2 days now and like it except am having editing problems. I got it for the editing capabilities. Sometimes it won't let me do scene deletes (commercials). I recorded a block of shows last night; about 2 hours in length. I did the Title Divide. Broke the 2 hours into 2 separate shows. It won't let me do any scene deletes in either show. I did deletes one time and all was fine of selected commercials in another 2 hour block I recorded. But now it won't allow scene deletes at all. Any ideas?

Tommy
Post #537 of this thread discusses my experience and recommendations on this bug.
Post #716 of this thread, provided by ValVita, is a work-around that allows the use of Title Divide.

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenavs
Post #537 of this thread discusses my experience and recommendations on this bug.
Post #716 of this thread, provided by ValVita, is a work-around that allows the use of Title Divide.
Thanks for providing the info.
I couldn't remember where,
but knew it was in here somewhere.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

A couple things I would add to ValVita's excellent recommendations:
Most important is to do all of your Scene Delete before Title Divide. But in my experience, it's also important to choose the Title Divide point carefully. Here's why:

I did a scene delete with black frames flanking the deleted scene. I couldn't tell where the deletion cutpoint was, so I divided the title somewhere in the middle of the black frame sequence. When I tried to view one of the newly created titles, it would hang, and I couldn't dub it. With further experimentation, it seems this title included a very short segment (<1 sec) before the delete cutpoint and the drive was having a hard time reading it. I deleted this segment after some difficulty (can't remember exactly what I did), which solved the problem.

Subsequently, I have pretty much followed ValVita's sequence with the additional caveat that I Title Divide at a Scene Delete cutpoint (on the frame immediately after the cutpoint).


On a more positive note, I just discovered another feature of this unit - it records the closed caption signal to both the hard drive and disc and will record it when dubbing. Nice!

rex king

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I try to just do my scene deletes before I do any splitting and mostly I just put however much will fit on a disk in SP or high speed mode. Only had the no edit or split problem once and I just turned it off and unplugged it for a minute or so and was OK after that.
Now when they get the digital channel memory problem fixed we'll be just about there...

Dartman

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I have Verizon Fios as my Cable Company and the Set Top Box they provide me with is the Motorola QIP 2500. I connected the rear RCA Outputs directly to the Front RCA Inputs of the Philips 3575, and it will let me record anything.

What I am getting at is, even if I record something from HBO, it doesn't give me any restrictions on whether or not I can only watch it, but not dub it to DVD, or something like a "Copy Once", or "Copy Never" flag, and the cables I use to connect are not running through a Copyguard Eliminator.

Has anyone else experienced this?

suplex

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

@Rammitinski

Thanks! You're right. They're a lot cheaper.

-nfsmith

nfsmith

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by nfsmith
Hi,

Thanks for responding.

1) Of course. They wouldn't play at all otherwise on the DVB318.
2) TDK 16x (MID CMCMAG01)
3) +R

I haven't tried any other brands, but I will.

Have you observed that brands make any difference? Since the discs work perfectly when I burn them Real Time, I wasn't thinking brand might have anything to do with it.
Man, I hate asking those "obvious" and elementary questions, but somebody has to.

Anyway, CMCMAG01 doesn't seem to be one listed in these media guides (letter missing after MAG?):

digitalfaq.com... but ALL CMCMAG are either 3rd or 4th Class (landfill material).
or
videohelp.com... checked only first 3 pages of these 50 pages.

Not sure if poor media quality could produce the results you're seeing, but worth it to try a better brand/media.

TDK stopped making their own consumer DVDs about 2 years ago, and Imation is now "handling" TDK sales and service... prob. mfg too. Imation also bought out Memorex.

If interested in a better brand/media, look for Verbatim in B&M stores, or order Taiyo Yuden Premium brand on the internet from supermediastore.com. or rima.com. If you can find 8X, that might be best for the 3575.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhadar
Well I did some more testing on the September/Date code 38 3575 tonight. Tuner still seems to be better than the July unit however a new bug has surfaced. Analog channels 51-57 contain noise. It appears intermittently.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metra
I'm having a problem with a Philips 3575 (which aside from this problem, I love!) -- I'm getting horizontal static lines on some channels when watching or recording TV through the DVR. I notice it mostly on channel 55, and my 3575 has a pack date of August 2007.
There's some discussion on videohelp.com re: analog interference that might just apply to your problems with specific channels... channels they talk about are sort of in the range of your problem channels.

Here's one of the posts that adresses it and the following post suggests it's a cable/station problem.

Not sure it helps, but better than standin' round with your finger in your ear!?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
There's some discussion on videohelp.com re: analog interference that might just apply to your problems with specific channels... channels they talk about are sort of in the range of your problem channels.

Not sure it helps, but better than standin' round with your finger in your ear!?
Thanks for the heads up! "Analog modulation harmonic distortion" is a little over my head, but it's interesting that they mention the SciFi Channel, because that's my worst channel. The channel looks fine when the DVR is turned off, but maybe when the DVR is on it's boosting the distortion as well as the rest of the signal so the underlying distortion actually shows. Argh. If it's something Time Warner has to fix, I'm doomed!

Metra

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Hi,

Yep, I goofed on the ID and left out an 'M', so it's CMCMAGM01. I nearly didn't order it, but after looking around, I found some positive reports on it:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/f58/memorex...ot-u-s-135205/

I found others, and my sense was that CMC under TDK's name seems to be pretty good quality... as long as you burn it at 8x or less. I got the impression that CMC has raised its quality level considerably in recent years, particularly due to the big brands putting their names on the product.

I tried the TDK on my computer and got a 95 quality score with CDSpeed, so I think the "landfill" status is a bit harsh. My only qualms about it regard its longevity.

I really can't believe that the disc has anything to do with it, since the image is reproduced perfectly on the Zenith. It seems more likely to be a conflict between the way the sound is encoded on the Philips and decoded on the Zenith. Still, I'll try a more highly rated Sony disc just to rule this notion out altogether.

Let me ask an obvious question now: Have you personally burned DVDs on High and played them back successfully on another machine? (I can play them back fine on the Philips.) When I get a chance, I'll see if a High speed dub works on my Toshiba machine.

I have tried copying an OTA HD show (instead of the VHS source), and the results are the same. The audio has drop outs and it's out of sync.

-nfsmith



Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Man, I hate asking those "obvious" and elementary questions, but somebody has to.

Anyway, CMCMAG01 doesn't seem to be one listed in these media guides (letter missing after MAG?):

digitalfaq.com... but ALL CMCMAG are either 3rd or 4th Class (landfill material).
or
videohelp.com... checked only first 3 pages of these 50 pages.

Not sure if poor media quality could produce the results you're seeing, but worth it to try a better brand/media.

TDK stopped making their own consumer DVDs about 2 years ago, and Imation is now "handling" TDK sales and service... prob. mfg too. Imation also bought out Memorex.

If interested in a better brand/media, look for Verbatim in B&M stores, or order Taiyo Yuden Premium brand on the internet from supermediastore.com. or rima.com. If you can find 8X, that might be best for the 3575.

nfsmith

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metra
Thanks for the heads up! "Analog modulation harmonic distortion" is a little over my head, but it's interesting that they mention the SciFi Channel, because that's my worst channel. The channel looks fine when the DVR is turned off, but maybe when the DVR is on it's boosting the distortion as well as the rest of the signal so the underlying distortion actually shows. Argh. If it's something Time Warner has to fix, I'm doomed!
How are you connected from the cable coax to the TV with your 3575?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by nfsmith
Let me ask an obvious question now: Have you personally burned DVDs on High and played them back successfully on another machine? (I can play them back fine on the Philips.) When I get a chance, I'll see if a High speed dub works on my Toshiba machine.
Yes, I always play my 3575 DVDs in my Pio 640 and Panasonic combo unit to make sure they're playable elsewhere.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
How are you connected from the cable coax to the TV with your 3575?
I've got just a coax cable going from the wall to the 3575 (no cable converter box), then a coax cable from the 3575 to the television. Then I also have composite cables from the 3575 to the television. (I also tried S-video + stereo audio cables in place of the composite cables with the same result). Boy would I love to be able to fix this by buying new cables!

Metra

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metra
I've got just a coax cable going from the wall to the 3575 (no cable converter box), then a coax cable from the 3575 to the television. Then I also have composite cables from the 3575 to the television. (I also tried S-video + stereo audio cables in place of the composite cables with the same result). Boy would I love to be able to fix this by buying new cables!
Should have asked: what type of TV and what conections does it have?

Your problem could be coming from the stations, so there may be nothing you can do. But, if you want to make sure it's not something in your system, you'll have to switch cables out to "better" ones that'll eliminate some harmonics or feedback from those.

If you go to Wal-Mart, look for DIGITAL AV cables that look like better RCA cables. They're $18 or so and might have a name like Digital Stereo Audio and Video cables. I got some made by RCA but I noticed my Wal-Mart had only Philips now, same price. Those are what I use and get excellent results from. They're built for digital video, which requires better insulation, bandwidth and tighter tolerances on all things important to a good video signal.

If your TV has a HDMI connection, you can try that too. Wal-Mart again, ~$38. HDMI will give you a pure digital signal to your TV and may just make a diff. depending on what the problem is.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Should have asked: what type of TV and conections does it have?
It's a Sony Wega KV-27FV17, which is about a six-year-old tube tv. It's got composite, s-video and component connections. It also has three coax connections labeled "VHF/UHF" (this is the input I'm using), "To Converter" and "Aux".

I've also tried connecting to a 13" Sharp LCD TV (LC-13E1U). It also has composite, s-video and component connections, although I've only tried the composite on it. And it has one coax input labeled "Ant".

By the way, thank you so much for all your posts and all the guides you put up for the 3575!

Metra

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metra
It's a Sony Wega KV-27FV17, which is about a six-year-old tube tv. It's got composite, s-video and component connections. It also has three coax connections labeled "VHF/UHF" (this is the input I'm using), "To Converter" and "Aux".

I've also tried connecting to a 13" Sharp LCD TV (LC-13E1U). It also has composite, s-video and component connections, although I've only tried the composite on it. And it has one coax input labeled "Ant".

By the way, thank you so much for all your posts and all the guides you put up for the 3575!
Your welcome! I hope they helped you and maybe others as well.

Your coax connection must be OK since you see a good pic all the time w/o the 3575, BUT unless you have RG6 cable, it might be worthwhile to get new coax to see if it help get a better signal to the 3575. RG6 coax is thicker and better than the old RG59.

Hopefully, you can also get the Digital AV cables I mentioned above to see if they help deliver the pic from the 3575 to the TV.

I don't think it can be the station's signal since it doesn't occur just watching Tv thru the coax.

I think doing these things should eliminate anything in your system as the source of the problem, esp. since you've tried diff. TVs also (so it's unlikely to be a bad connector on BOTH TVs).

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Your welcome! I hope they helped you and maybe others as well.

Your coax connection must be OK since you see a good pic all the time w/o the 3575, BUT unless you have RG6 cable, it might be worthwhile to get new coax to see if it help get a better signal to the 3575. RG6 coax is thicker and better than the old RG59.

Hopefully, you can also get the Digital AV cables I mentioned above to see if they help deliver the pic from the 3575 to the TV.

I don't think it can be the station's signal since it doesn't occur just watching Tv thru the coax.

I think doing these things should eliminate anything in your system as the source of the problem, esp. since you've tried diff. TVs also (so it's unlikely to be a bad connector on BOTH TVs).
I do currently have RG59 coax cables - I'll try upgrading those to the R6, as well as the digital AV cables. Definitely worth a try - thanks!

Metra

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metra
I do currently have RG59 coax cables - I'll try upgrading those to the R6, as well as the digital AV cables. Definitely worth a try - thanks!
If you get the Digital AV (RCA) cables, the $18 I mentioned were for 9-foot cable. I think they also have 6-foot cables for less.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Hi, all,
I have some what of a technical question.
On this Philips unit (or any hard drive), in what format(?) is an analog signal, as from a VCR, recorded to the hard drive as opposed to a digital signal from say another DVD or digital camcorder?
The reason I ask is that I noticed that my digital video camera has a 'pass through' setting that 'converts' an analog signal to a digital signal. In other words I can have a VCR signal going into the camera's AV (yellow) input and the camera will 'convert' and pass that signal out trhough it's firewire (DV I) output. Would there be a quality advantage to doing this with a VCR signal for dubbing onto the Philips hard drive as opposed to sending the VCR signal directly into the Philips for dubbing onto its hard drive? Does this Philips do some sort of similar conversion when it receives any analog signal? I just don't know how this sort of thing works.

Also, I deleted an 'Empty Title' on a DVD I recorded by filling it up with content then choosing 'Delete Title' . Well, the 'Empty Title' is no longer on the disc menu, but, is there a way I can still access that available space to record or dub some content? (The disc is not finalized.)

Thanks for any information, Jim

jmsla

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Hm. Perhaps, you're just fortunate. Turns out that there is some kind of incompatibility between my Zenith DVB318 and discs that are made with High speed dubbing on the DVDR3575H.

It might be related to the connection between my Zenith and the TV, too.

I tested by playing a HS dubbed disc on my Toshiba, and it played fine. Aside from it being a different player, the connection to the analog TV is RCA composite while the connection to my HD TV is DVI. It's true that in both cases the audio is analog stereo (RCA), but in one case you have analog video and in the other, digital video. So, the systems have to do different things to display the image and audio. I'm just speculating, but that might affect what happens in terms of their timing and thus synchronization during playback.

When I get time, I'll try a high speed dubbed disc with the Zenith connected by component instead of DVI and see if it makes any difference. That way, both Video and Audio will be analog, like in the system with the Toshiba.

I'm going to try the 3575 with an HDMI/DVI converter, and if it's any better, I'll be reflashing the firmware in the Zenith so that it can upconvert via component. I know that connection works very well with the Zenith, and it's just possible that it could cure the incompatibility as well.

Incidentally, when I was testing different media to rule out the cause, I used a highly rated (http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm) Sony (SONYD11 MID), which didn't make any difference. However, the first disc I tried failed. That was the first disc failure I've had. That's a 50% failure rate so far for the Sony, and I've done a lot more TDK discs (12) with the CMC MID, and not one of them has failed to write. Both types of discs are in the Philip's manual's list of approved discs.

I'm not saying the Sony's are bad discs. A sample size of 2 doesn't mean much. I think they will probably have better longevity than the TDKs, though I have no firm evidence of that. They burn very well on my PC at 8X anyway... I guess only time will tell which disc lasts longer.

-nfsmith


PS: I've had a chance to change my cabling for the 3575 to HDMI/DVI, and that does improve the picture slightly. It's a little sharper and more saturated. It looks best upconverted to 1080i on my Samsung TV. So, I've dropped back to the old LG firmware for my DVB318 that allows upconverting over component connections. This allows me to upconvert to 1080i in both the DVD player (Zenith/LG DVB318) and in the Philips. Unfortunately, going to the digital connection does not eliminate the incompatibility between discs dubbed at High Speed on the Philips and the way my DVB318 plays them back. So, I am going to need to do all my dubbing at RT speed. Oh, well.

This incompatibility seems pretty odd, since the Zenith/LG has played every other kind of disc I've put in it, so far. Since the discs will play back on my Toshiba DVD player, it's hard to point both fingers at the Philips, though. Part of the blame appears to be with the Zenith...







Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Yes, I always play my 3575 DVDs in my Pio 640 and Panasonic combo unit to make sure they're playable elsewhere.

nfsmith

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Since the Philips uses a hard drive, anything recorded on it will be in digital format on the disc. The machine uses MPEG 2 as the specific type of digital format. Hard drives do not record anything in a truly analog format.

Since the 3575 has to convert an analog input to record it anyway, I see no reason to run it through another device first.

I don't know how you would restore the empty title... so just wait till you're sure you're not going to put anything else on the disc. Thanks for mentioning the procedure, though. I didn't think it could be removed, and it's kind of annoying to have an empty title on a disc you're done recording.

-nfsmith


Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsla
Hi, all,
I have some what of a technical question.
On this Philips unit (or any hard drive), in what format(?) is an analog signal, as from a VCR, recorded to the hard drive as opposed to a digital signal from say another DVD or digital camcorder?
The reason I ask is that I noticed that my digital video camera has a 'pass through' setting that 'converts' an analog signal to a digital signal. In other words I can have a VCR signal going into the camera's AV (yellow) input and the camera will 'convert' and pass that signal out trhough it's firewire (DV I) output. Would there be a quality advantage to doing this with a VCR signal for dubbing onto the Philips hard drive as opposed to sending the VCR signal directly into the Philips for dubbing onto its hard drive? Does this Philips do some sort of similar conversion when it receives any analog signal? I just don't know how this sort of thing works.

Also, I deleted an 'Empty Title' on a DVD I recorded by filling it up with content then choosing 'Delete Title' . Well, the 'Empty Title' is no longer on the disc menu, but, is there a way I can still access that available space to record or dub some content? (The disc is not finalized.)

Thanks for any information, Jim

nfsmith

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by nfsmith
Since the Philips uses a hard drive, anything recorded on it will be in digital format on the disc. The machine uses MPEG 2 as the specific type of digital format. Hard drives do not record anything in a truly analog format.

Since the 3575 has to convert an analog input to record it anyway, I see no reason to run it through another device first.

I don't know how you would restore the empty title... so just wait till you're sure you're not going to put anything else on the disc. Thanks for mentioning the procedure, though. I didn't think it could be removed, and it's kind of annoying to have an empty title on a disc you're done recording.

-nfsmith
nfsmith,
Thank you for the quick lesson on the hard drive format. So the video I have on the HD is a nice digital version of a grainy, edgy looking VHS tape perserved for all time. Did we know how bad even the best VHS looked before DVD? True what wabjxo has said several times: it all starts with the source material.

I have to give credit to this Philips unit that it does not noticably degrade the image but, is giving me about an exact copy in quality at HQ and darn near the same at SP. And the video I've dubbed through firewire from my digital camcorder onto hard drive and then onto diisc is fantastic looking.

As for the lost disc space after removing an 'empty title'; perhaps sone tech wiz will figure out a way to access it. It's still physically on the disc isn't it?

One follow-up: when I put a disc in for viewing, it first spends several (10 or more) seconds 'loading'. Do you experience the same? On other players it seems the disc is ready to play almost right away.

Thanks again for the reply,
-Jim

jmsla

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Glad you found my comments useful. I've been using mine to translate a few tapes to DVD. Glad I didn't have more than 3 I cared about though. I've found I have to record in Real Time to get full compatibility with my regular player, a Zenith DVB318.

With regard to the space on the disc, I am not sure whether the space is actually there anymore or not. When you overwrite the Empty Title, you are actually using up space that cannot be recovered. Still, if you overwrite with a file that occupies less than the available space, there should be some physical disc space left. However, when you delete that file, I think you are removing any way for the unit to access the directory structure of the disc's file system in order to write to the disc again. Unless you have access to some sort of disc authoring software that will allow you to recreate whatever is needed, then you can practically consider the disc full. This is getting into areas that I am merely speculating about. I am not intimately familiar with DVD disc structure, but I believe that what I am saying is correct. Bottom line, I think you'll need some other software to manipulate the disc structure in order to get any space back, IF that's even possible.

I would simply NOT bother to eliminate the empty title until you are sure that you don't want to put anything more on the disc.

I have not used another DVD recorder, so I cannot comment about the speed of other similar devices. I will note that it's not really fair to compare the speed a _recorder_ loads a disc with the speed a _player_ loads a disc. After all, the recorder needs to know more about the disc, in case you are going to write on it, for instance.

-nfsmith



Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsla
nfsmith,

As for the lost disc space after removing an 'empty title'; perhaps sone tech wiz will figure out a way to access it. It's still physically on the disc isn't it?

One follow-up: when I put a disc in for viewing, it first spends several (10 or more) seconds 'loading'. Do you experience the same? On other players it seems the disc is ready to play almost right away.

Thanks again for the reply,
-Jim

nfsmith

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by nfsmith
Glad you found my comments useful. I've been using mine to translate a few tapes to DVD. Glad I didn't have more than 3 I cared about though. I've found I have to record in Real Time to get full compatibility with my regular player, a Zenith DVB318.

With regard to the space on the disc, I am not sure whether the space is actually there anymore or not. When you overwrite the Empty Title, you are actually using up space that cannot be recovered. Still, if you overwrite with a file that occupies less than the available space, there should be some physical disc space left. However, when you delete that file, I think you are removing any way for the unit to access the directory structure of the disc's file system in order to write to the disc again. Unless you have access to some sort of disc authoring software that will allow you to recreate whatever is needed, then you can practically consider the disc full. This is getting into areas that I am merely speculating about. I am not intimately familiar with DVD disc structure, but I believe that what I am saying is correct. Bottom line, I think you'll need some other software to manipulate the disc structure in order to get any space back, IF that's even possible.

I would simply NOT bother to eliminate the empty title until you are sure that you don't want to put anything more on the disc.

I have not used another DVD recorder, so I cannot comment about the speed of other similar devices. I will note that it's not really fair to compare the speed a _recorder_ loads a disc with the speed a _player_ loads a disc. After all, the recorder needs to know more about the disc, in case you are going to write on it, for instance.

-nfsmith
Got it. I'm learning.
I do love the way the Philips User Manual advises about deleting titles. It warns only "Please be advised that the title once deleted cannot be brought back." and "Note...For DVD+RW/-RW, available disc space will increase only when the last recorded titlle in the title list is deleted. For DVD+R/-R, the disc space will not be affected"(emphasas added).
Yea, 'cause the space is gone forever! If you look at the illustration on page 84, Step 5 (examples of what you will see on the title screens after deleting titles) it should really show a blank box for the DVD title list screen. Instead, it shows 'empty titles' presumably where you have deleted content. Or am I missing something? Well, thankfully it's only a 40 cent lesson. (I guess you can tell I kind of new to the whole DVD burning experience.)
This is a great forum, you guys provide a lot of very helpfull information.
-Jm

jmsla

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Yeah, this is a good forum.

I think you're missing the HDD icon at the top left of page 84. That indicates it's only talking about the HDD at that point.

The material on pages 82 and 83 covers both HDD and DVD editing, but that's not so for page 84.

-nfsmith

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsla
If you look at the illustration on page 84, Step 5 (examples of what you will see on the title screens after deleting titles) it should really show a blank box for the DVD title list screen. Instead, it shows 'empty titles' presumably where you have deleted content. Or am I missing something?
-Jm

nfsmith

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I guess the 3575H was a real hit at Walmart. They are now in stock online. Now Walmart has raised the price from $298 to $329. I guess they did not check to see that Circuit City has them for $279. Still none in stock in my city. The link for the addy can be found here: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5663214.

I am going to hold off until the first of the year to decide if I want to RMA this thing or not. My concern is that I might get a refurb if I wait too long to RMA it. Trying to wait for Walmart to get some more in stock.

jimhadar

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhadar
...The link for the addy can be found here: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5663214. ...
On this page, it says Media Format - PAL.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by nfsmith
Yeah, this is a good forum.

I think you're missing the HDD icon at the top left of page 84. That indicates it's only talking about the HDD at that point.

The material on pages 82 and 83 covers both HDD and DVD editing, but that's not so for page 84.

-nfsmith
Our user manuals appear to be one page different in numbering. My page '85' has the HDD icon in the upper left and covers 'Editing Selected Titles' on the hard drive. Pages '83' and '84' cover 'Deleting A Title' and apply to both HDD and DVD. The 5th and last step on p. 84, which is selecting 'yes' and pressing 'OK' to complete the task, shows an illustration of both the HDD and DVD title list screens after titles are deleted. I wonder if they have changed the manual. My manual is not dated but the pack date on my unit is September 2007.

On another aspect, I have some feedback for wabjxo regarding his post from 11-23-07; *Using the RF/Coax Passthru as a Built-in No-Loss Splitter*. I'm one of the cable users with all scrambled channels who isn't using the tuner in the Philips unit. (Actually, my broadcast channels and some select others are not scrambled but look terrible unless they pass through the cable box first--thank you Time Warner.)

I followed your suggestion at the bottom of your post:
"On 2nd thought, even w/all scrambled channels, why not keep the 3575 1st in line for the incoming coax just for the "boost" in signal strength its active passthru will give to the box and other downstream components? Those downstream components won't even know the 3575 is there, but they might benefit from the active passthru!?"

I started out with a very good 'no complaints' TV picture on my 4 year old 27" analog Sony Trinatron Vega, KV-27FV310. As suggested, I moved the incoming coax for the cable to the 3575 first, then a short piece of coax out and into the cable box, (I use s-video from the cable box to the 3575 and then component cables to the TV). The improvement in the TV image was immediately apparent and significent. I'd say at least a 20% improvement in color saturation and sharpness of image and the picture is brighter. Your hunch about the coax active passthru boost was correct. People buy new televisions to get this much imropvement. Every one with 'all scrambled cable' should try this. Thanks for the new TV!
-Jim

jmsla

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsla
On another aspect, I have some feedback for wabjxo regarding his post from 11-23-07; *Using the RF/Coax Passthru as a Built-in No-Loss Splitter*. I'm one of the cable users with all scrambled channels who isn't using the tuner in the Philips unit. (Actually, my broadcast channels and some select others are not scrambled but look terrible unless they pass through the cable box first--thank you Time Warner.)

I followed your suggestion at the bottom of your post:
"On 2nd thought, even w/all scrambled channels, why not keep the 3575 1st in line for the incoming coax just for the "boost" in signal strength its active passthru will give to the box and other downstream components? Those downstream components won't even know the 3575 is there, but they might benefit from the active passthru!?"

I started out with a very good 'no complaints' TV picture on my 4 year old 27" analog Sony Trinatron Vega, KV-27FV310. As suggested, I moved the incoming coax for the cable to the 3575 first, then a short piece of coax out and into the cable box, (I use s-video from the cable box to the 3575 and then component cables to the TV). The improvement in the TV image was immediately apparent and significent. I'd say at least a 20% improvement in color saturation and sharpness of image and the picture is brighter. Your hunch about the coax active passthru boost was correct. People buy new televisions to get this much imropvement. Every one with 'all scrambled cable' should try this. Thanks for the new TV!
-Jim
It's pretty difficult to get positive feedback in forums like this, so I'm very grateful to YOU!

Now, you must know I plan to make use of your post to let others know about your actual results!?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
It's pretty difficult to get positive feedback in forums like this, so I'm very grateful to YOU!

Now, you must know I plan to make use of your post to let others know about your actual results!?

Absolutely, go right ahead. The alteration in hook-up was simple and took less than five minutes.

jmsla

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

wabjxo,

I've been reading forum for while and very impressed with your knowledge and willingness to help others. You da man!

You mentioned a couple times about the ext warranty from Wallmart for 18 bucks. How long is the warranty? and can I buy it any time before the 90 days expiration?

libertin56

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

If you have finalize grayed out after dubbing, turn off the unit and wait a while. It will come back.

What happened to cause it- I split the titles and renamed them. If I did nothing else, there was no problem finalizing them. If I deleted scenes, changed the icon picture, or renamed the disc or title, occasionally I would have finalized grayed out. I had no problem dubbing the titles. I decided to wait a bit and look at the problem in the morning and the next day, finalize was back and successfully completed.

I ran into the problem again and learned that it takes a while (not sure how long at this point) to clear the problem. It will not come back after a shutdown and quick re-start. It may come back if you swap disks and then put the offender back in. I have not tried all the possible fixes since it has only happened twice.

The key is, if it happens, it is not a dead end but fixable. You have to be patient.

beekeeper

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I've had that happen on a digital channel and it freezes there...no button seems to stop the scan. A couple of others have had the same problem on a digital channel. Not sure if anyone has found the reason. I'm on analog cable, which might be a cause...it's trying to cherry-pick digital channels out of an analog feed, where the cableco might not be sending the digital data (PSIP)???

The first person who reported this solved the problem by pulling the coax, so that's what I did. I think I remember, if you pull the coax while it's frozen on a problem channel, it will just pick up again with the scan. You may have to try to pull the cable before it hits the problem channel.

I think I tried several times after that and it finally passed thru the problem channel.

Anyone remember more exactly how to get by a problem digital channel?


wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Circuit City has the 3575 in stock now! $289.99 w/Free Shipping.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I'll give that a try.

BTW J&R has them too. I went with them because they double box (although they charge for shipping). So, of course they decided to stop doing that and just put the box in a gray plastic bag...Oh well....the dents aren't too bad and no damage to the player...

Lesson learned...

NoPlasmaYet

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Round and round we go. After being told by two different people in two different calls to Philips that a) there was no guarantee that a new boxed unit would have the problem fixed [digital tuner forgetting channels], regardless of pack date or serial number, and that b) the only way I could get the problem fixed for sure was to send the unit in for an actual repair, I just got a call today saying '...we won't have new units to ship till 10/29...'.

I said, gee, if all it took was an exchange to fix the problem, I had 90 days to exchange it at Walmart and I could have saved $20, a trip to UPS, and had the unit to use in the meantime.

Their response? '...Well you didn't talk to me... I'm just telling you what is written here...'.

But what about all the '...can only be fixed by a repair...' business?

Same answer.

So, bottom line, as friendly and helpful as the two folks I first talked to happend to be, they were, in fact, not stating the truth.

My advice, if you've got the problem, keep cycling units where you bought it... At least you'll save shipping.

Clay Schneider

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Or, "Lessons Learned from my recent experiences"

Iíve been getting some excellent TV recordings on the 3575 which Iím converting to XVid avi files to avoid taking up a whole DVDR for one or two programs. I thought Iíd share some lessons learned about the conversion process in case it helps someone else.

Background: My 3575 is connected to a digital HD satellite tuner via S-Video. I normally record TV programs to the HDD at SP quality, preferably from an HD channel with the tuner set to output anamorphic format for wide-screen programs (16:9 squeezed into the 4:3 SD frame). This give me best use of the maximum DVD resolution of 720 x 480. When an HD version is not available, I record from an SD channel, either 4:3 full screen or 16:9 embedded in a 4:3 frame with black bars above and below, depending on the program aspect ratio.

For recordings Iím going to convert to avi files on the computer, I donít bother editing them on the 3575 ? I just transfer them via High-Speed dub to DVD+RW, then import and edit them with TMPGEnc DVD Author on the computer. Itís not difficult to edit on the 3575, but TMPGEnc DVD Author is even more convenient, and itís frame-accurate on the cuts. If I'm going to save the resulting edited DVD title, and itís a wide-screen program, I would use IFOEdit to set the aspect ratio to 16:9 in the IFO file of the title set so that DVD players will display it automatically at the correct aspect ratio.

To convert to an avi file, I prefer to use one program that directly imports DVD titles and outputs an avi file in the final format. After experimenting with many alternatives, I usually come back to AutoGK. Itís slow because of the multiple passes it does, and it may seem quite complicated in operation because it invokes many separate background utility programs, but the quality and reliability is good. Some of the other DVD-to-avi converters I have tried are faster or simpler, but they have a lot of bugs and quirks, and the quality isnít always the best. I normally use the latest XVid codec (DivX-compatible) for a good balance of compression, speed and quality.

Using AutoGK to convert the edited DVD title to an avi file is straightforward enough, but there are some key settings which are very important, depending on what your source video looks like.

If the source is an anamorphic 16:9 program recorded in a 4:3 frame at 720 x 480, you want to preserve the full resolution with no resizing for best quality. The only way to get AutoGK to do this is to use the Hidden Options screen, which you can display with Ctrl-F9. Check the ?Override AR? box and select ?Original?. That causes AutoGK to keep the original 720:480 = 1.5:1 aspect ratio instead of attempting to convert it to 4:3. You also have to un-check the box ?Detect and force 4:3 when close?. The rest of the Hidden Options are fine, but on the Advanced settings from the main page you also need to select ?Fixed Width = 720? in order to keep the full 720 x 480 resolution. This is also where you select the XVid codec. I normally select the ?1/6 DVDR = 746 Mbyte? output file size for a one-hour TV program as a good compromise of size vs. quality with MPEG-4 compression if Iím going to keep the full 720 x 480 resolution. With these settings made, you can queue and start the conversion job. AutoGK will auto-detect whether the original source is 24 fps film or 30 fps video, and set the output frame rate appropriately. Iíve found that itís best to go with AutoGKís recommendation, as overriding it can produce very visible interlacing errors. On my system it takes about 2 hours to convert a 1 hour program, but I just leave it running in the background, or check the ?Shut down system when done? box if I have to leave.

This produces an XVid avi file with the following characteristics: 720 x 480, 23.97 fps (assuming film source detected), 4:3 aspect ratio assumed. The original resolution has been preserved, and this will play back correctly on the 3575, assuming that your TV will stretch it to fill a 16:9 display if necessary. PC video players will display it on your computer screen at 720:480 = 1:5:1 aspect ratio though, since avi files have no 16:9 flag to hint to the player what the correct display aspect ratio should be. If you use a player with flexible zoom ratios like Zoom Player, you can adjust this manually. You can also use MPEG4Modifier to set the aspect ratio of the XVid video data stream within the avi file, but unfortunately most simple video players (like WMP) that lack flexible zoom ratios also donít know anything about this embedded aspect ratio. The alternative is to let AutoGK resize the output to a true 16:9 aspect ratio like 720 x 416, but this would throw away some vertical resolution (remember that you canít go wider than 720 if you want to be able to play the resulting file on the 3575).

For programs recorded from an SD channel which are not anamorphic, forget the above special settings and go with the AutoGK defaults. If the program is 16:9 wide screen embedded in a 4:3 frame with black bars above and below, AutoGK will detect this correctly and resize the output to 720 x 416, cutting away the black bars, which is what you want. This will also play back correctly on the 3575, although you may have to use Zoom on your TV to display it properly.

Good luck!

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I just got the unit from Wally.com. I set it up, ran through the channel scan and now i'm having the follwing issues.

DTV channels
Some channels have video and no sound but when connected directly to my HD TV the channels are fine.

Some channels the programming doesn't match. ie: channel 62-1 on the TV shows a different program than channel 62-1 on the Philips.

Some times the channels will tune in and sometimes i just get a blue screen.

Video In S-Video
I'm using the inputs that i had connected to my Tosh which worked fine but on the Philips the picture is black and white. I double checked all the connections for proper fitting.

The unit has a July 2007 build date.

Any suggestions? I thought the tuner issue was resolved in the later build dates.

Burnerbum

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnerbum
I just got the unit from Wally.com. I set it up, ran through the channel scan and now i'm having the follwing issues.

DTV channels
Some channels have video and no sound but when connected directly to my HD TV the channels are fine.

Some channels the programming doesn't match. ie: channel 62-1 on the TV shows a different program than channel 62-1 on the Philips.

Some times the channels will tune in and sometimes i just get a blue screen.

Video In S-Video
I'm using the inputs that i had connected to my Tosh which worked fine but on the Philips the picture is black and white. I double checked all the connections for proper fitting.

The unit has a July 2007 build date.

Any suggestions? I thought the tuner issue was resolved in the later build dates.
Yes, you need to go to the SETUP > Video > Video Input menu and change it from Video In to S-Video In. Obvious but have to ask: you do have the audio R/W cables reqd with an S-Vid connection installed in the AV IN jacks?

Are you on analog cable, digital cable, OTA, ???

And how are you connected to the incoming coax and to other components in your system?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Are you on analog cable, digital cable, OTA, ???

And how are you connected to the incoming coax and to other components in your system?
I have the S-Video solved. I did have S-Video selected in setup and had audio cables connected. I disconnedted my cable box from the power and plugged it back in to reboot it and i had color. Must have gotten some glitch or something that messed it up. Weird, never had this happen before but it's a Motorola Box which are terrible. It freezes up frequently.

I am on (ADC) digital cable. The cable now comes into the house to the Philips and then out and split to the tv and cable box. I wanted the strongest possible signal on the Philips to test it out. Since it's an active pass through i figured it would be strong enough for the box and tv. They seem to be ok. No boxing.

What is also strange, i'm picking up a couple channels on the Philips that aren't even offered in my Digital package, not even shown in the lineup offered in my area. I'm not complaining, just confused on that one.

Burnerbum

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Burnerbum, so it sounds like everything's working OK now?

I'm glad to hear you tried, and are successful with, the 3575's active passthru.


wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

In the course of experimenting with creating XVid avi files for the 3575, I discovered that it can't erase DVD+RW data discs. The Disc Edit menu item is disabled for data discs, including the disc erase function - probably an accidental oversight. You have to erase data RW discs on your computer in order for the 3575 to be able to initialize them. Not so good if someone gives you a DVD+RW with temporary avi file on it to watch, and then you want to erase it and re-use the disc in the recorder.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I just received my replacement unit for the april build unit that has the QAM channel loss issue. This replacement unit says its an August build. I connected it up and did a channel search on my comcast cable looking for all the stations. It went through the analog search fine then proceeded to find the digital ones. The problem now is that it gets all the way to channel 135 and just sit there. It never finishes the search no matter how long I wait. If I power it off and back on there are no digital channels. I am able to directly enter the channel number and it does tune it but will not be in memory. I called Phillips and talked to 3 different service people. Finally they gave me another number that deals with the shipping part. The told me to send it back but they are backordered again until later this month. I reminded them that I have had these issues since I bought it in May and now we are going into November. They did offer me a refund minus taxes but I really like all this machine can do and should do once they fix it. I did check to see if it had the latest software and it does match what they offer on their site. Back it goes as I sit patiently waiting for the next batch of machines.

captainvid

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

It seems most people having problems are on Comcast and with analog cable (like me except TWC)...do you have analog or digital service?

ANyway, ch. 135 is the last digital channel. Several people have been getting "stuck" on a higher digital channel, incl. me (ch. 113), and the only way around it is to pull the coax before it gets to your problem digital channel.

When mine got stuck, I did that and it worked well enough to get the dig. channels up to that point. I repeated the scan one or more times (can't remember) and it finally got thru all the channels OK.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by amesdp
In the course of experimenting with creating XVid avi files for the 3575, I discovered that it can't erase DVD+RW data discs. The Disc Edit menu item is disabled for data discs, including the disc erase function - probably an accidental oversight. You have to erase data RW discs on your computer in order for the 3575 to be able to initialize them. Not so good if someone gives you a DVD+RW with temporary avi file on it to watch, and then you want to erase it and re-use the disc in the recorder.
I'm wondering if the computer program you used to create your +RW data disc might have "closed" the disc in a way that the 3575 interprets as "disc protection." That would deactivate the "Disc Erase" function.

Does the Disc Edit menu show "Disc Protect On > Off"? If so, it's Protected and can be changed easily to "Off > On"???

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
I'm wondering if the computer program you used to create your +RW data disc might have "closed" the disc in a way that the 3575 interprets as "disc protection." That would deactivate the "Disc Erase" function.

Does the Disc Edit menu show "Disc Protect On > Off"? If so, it's Protected and can be changed easily to "Off > On"???
As far as I am aware there is no such "protect disc" function on data DVDs - that feature is unique to the +VR video recording format.

In any case, as I said above, the Disc Edit menu item is disabled and cannot be selected or displayed at all for a data DVD+RW.

I think the designers at Funai decided that Disc Edit should be disabled for data DVDs, and both Funai and Philips just overlooked the problem that the Erase Disc function is on the Disc Edit menu, making it unavailable to erase data DVD+RWs. It does work for completely blank or computer-erased DVD+RWs, so only those with files on them can't be erased.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
It seems most people having problems are on Comcast and with analog cable (like me except TWC)...do you have analog or digital service?

ANyway, ch. 135 is the last digital channel. Several people have been getting "stuck" on a higher digital channel, incl. me (ch. 113), and the only way around it is to pull the coax before it gets to your problem digital channel.

When mine got stuck, I did that and it worked well enough to get the dig. channels up to that point. I repeated the scan one or more times (can't remember) and it finally got thru all the channels OK.
I suspect that this problem is not unique to this DTV tuner.

I have seen at least three similar examples with three different HDTV STB tuners locking up on a high-numbered Comcast cable channel. In two cases I was able to use the dialog box on-screen to stop the channel scan just before the "bad" channel. In the other case I pulled the coax. One tuner (Samsung 260) did not get stuck there, but its predecessor (Samsung 451) did.

This reminds me of my early days with my brand new HDTV and some of the incompatbilities that sprung up with OTA HDTV channels as they expanded their HD capabilities over time, e.g., began to supply program guide data in their PSIP data. I communicated a lot with local station engineers and technicians to report problems and subsequent successes. The issues varied between brands and models of HDTV tuners, and all were eventually solved by the stations adjusting their config options to get a workable combination.

I recently had an issue with the local PBS channel OTA broadcasts locking up my HD TiVo boxes as soon as I tuned to their HDTV channel. It happened with two boxes every time. Then the problem was somehow solved in a few days and all has been normal since. I suspect some options that were changed in their transition from 1080i to 720p brought on the problem.

HDTV is far from being a stable environment, but compared to my late 1999 experiences, when I was new even though HDTV was a few years old, things are pretty darn stable for the most part in the OTA world and moving that way in the cable world. Within the last year, cable here finally provided the PSIP channel mapping data to allow us to tune in the famiiliar nn.n channel numbers instead of the constantly-changing native channels assigned and used within each cable head end system.

I think the cable providers' learning curves are way behind the OTA brodacasters when it comes to setting up clean and compliant options for each channel they deliver. I have not found anyone at Comcast who can even understand the problem, much less be able to troubleshoot and solve it.

Budget_HT

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Budget, thanks for that great explanation and additional info.

Just to remind 3575 users, to cancel an Auto Channel Preset scan, you press the BACK or SETUP button before you get to a "problem" channel.

Unfortunately, once you get "stuck" no buttons seem to work and you might have to pull the coax, turn it off, and try again. On at least one occasion, my 3575 has tried to restart the channel scan from where it left off, but I don't remember the exact steps I took to get back to normal, with digital channels memorized.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I did try pulling out the cable on channel 116 (Ch 117 was the problem child). It did work, although I think I lost Ch 118...Although, when I hit Ch 135 if froze yet again....So I redid the scan, disconecting the cable before Ch 117 and then Ch 135...

For some reason I can't get the same digital channels I can on my Sony TV. Sometimes I get a blue screen, other times I get a message that says "scramble program". I did find one channel at 94.2 instead of 94.3.

The problem is I can't find a way to just go from digital channel to digital channel. The +/- key just sends me to E1, E2 or USB...
I find I have to input the channel number. Not a good way to try to find channels...

Strange interface...

BTW My cable is analog & digital on the same coax...

NoPlasmaYet

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Sounds as if you actually ended up with no channels in memory since the tuner only shows external inputs.

I'm assuming you subscribe to/pay for analog cable like me and getting some digital channels as a bonus? I think that may be one reason for freezing on a digital channel, plus what Budget_HT noted above re: the stability of cableco channels and freezing problems.

I'd like to see what happens when, instead of pulling the cable, you cancel the scan with the BACK or SETUP button just before it reaches your problem channel. Not sure if you'll end up with memorized channels (and ability to use the channel up/down buttons) or with NO digital channels. Worth a try, tho?

I know there's a way to get digital channels in memory even tho the scan freezes on a problem channel since I've done it...but I just can't remember all the steps I took to do that.

ANYONE ELSE WITH DIGITAL CHANNEL SCAN FREEZING WITH ADVICE THAT WORKS?

EDIT: I only get 6 digital video channels (+46 music channels not interested in) with my analog cable service, so I once or twice did an Analog (only) auto-scan, then Added my 6 digital video channels with the Manual Channel Preset menu (takes a few sec. for it to switch from "Delete" to "Add")...I believe that worked?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by amesdp
As far as I am aware there is no such "protect disc" function on data DVDs - that feature is unique to the +VR video recording format.

In any case, as I said above, the Disc Edit menu item is disabled and cannot be selected or displayed at all for a data DVD+RW.

I think the designers at Funai decided that Disc Edit should be disabled for data DVDs, and both Funai and Philips just overlooked the problem that the Erase Disc function is on the Disc Edit menu, making it unavailable to erase data DVD+RWs. It does work for completely blank or computer-erased DVD+RWs, so only those with files on them can't be erased.
Maybe you and Raphaelae should talk?

Raphaelae's post here talks about his DivX disc being locked/protected?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Maybe you and Raphaelae should talk?

Raphaelae's post here talks about his DivX disc being locked/protected?
He's talking about being unable to play a DVD-RAM disc with a DivX file on a Panasonic unit, not really a related problem I think.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

If I cancel the scan at channel 135 the when I look to see what channels it found all I get it the external input selections which means it didnt memorize any of them. I dont know what comcast could be doing to cause the unit to hang on scanning but I definately think its Philips' problem.

captainvid

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I've had the 3575 for 3 days now. It seems to want to display ONLY in kind of a stretched out mode.

On my HDTV I have control over the way a signal is displayed: Panoramic, Full, and 2 others. But, when I switch to the DVR's tuner, I no longer have control over this.

This DVR doesn't seem to have a way to change the aspect ratio--so it appears to be a bit too big. Is this a result of the upconvert process? Can it be changed?

Also, I read that you could turn a splitter around and use it as a signal combiner. This did not work for me. I lost channels. I have OTA for digital and also an analog cable feed. I screwed them into the spliiters 2 OUTs, and used the IN to go to the DVR.

Any suggestions? Thanks.

timroy7

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

On the pic size/aspect ratio, you can set the 3575 for your TV's aspect in the Setup > Video > TV Aspect menu.

I've tried splitters backwards and they don't work as combiners. Some people on OTA antennas have told me that combining signals from two sources is very "tricky" to do. Not sure what the answer is on that, but I'm on analog cable and I get a few excellent digital HD channels, as do several other 3575 users here. I'd try a single feed from your analog cable and see what you pick up with an Auto Channel Preset - Analog/Digital.

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by captainvid
If I cancel the scan at channel 135 the when I look to see what channels it found all I get it the external input selections which means it didnt memorize any of them. I dont know what comcast could be doing to cause the unit to hang on scanning but I definately think its Philips' problem.
Earlier you said you got analog channels but it hung on ch. 135 on the digital tuner, and you could tune the digital channels directly? But now are you saying you get NO channels, even analog?

Assuming you mean you don't get any DIGITAL channels in memory after an Auto Channel Preset - Analog/Digital, but you do get analog channels, try a manual preset of the digital channels you know you get. Open the Setup > Channel > Manual Channel Preset menu, tune each digital channel using the number buttons, then select the "Add" option box...wait a few sec cuz it takes a little while for the selection to change from "Delete" to "Add."

You do have the incoming coax going directly to the ANT IN (RF in) on the 3575???

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by timroy7
I've had the 3575 for 3 days now. It seems to want to display ONLY in kind of a stretched out mode.

On my HDTV I have control over the way a signal is displayed: Panoramic, Full, and 2 others. But, when I switch to the DVR's tuner, I no longer have control over this.

This DVR doesn't seem to have a way to change the aspect ratio--so it appears to be a bit too big. Is this a result of the upconvert process? Can it be changed?

Also, I read that you could turn a splitter around and use it as a signal combiner. This did not work for me. I lost channels. I have OTA for digital and also an analog cable feed. I screwed them into the spliiters 2 OUTs, and used the IN to go to the DVR.

Any suggestions? Thanks.
When you say OTA, I presume you mean an antenna signal.

I have a splitter connected backwards as a combiner for 2 antennas, but I do not think there is any way to combine the signals from an antenna and cable. They use different channel assignments. You can set the tuner to scan antenna channel assignments or cable channel assignments, but not both at the same time.

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I have a question. I am a total noob at this stuff.

I am looking to purchase something like this. Can someone tell me how they set it up to get all the digital cable channels? There is no cable card slot on this, so how would you set it up to record digital cable channels?

sansri88

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by timroy7
On my HDTV I have control over the way a signal is displayed: Panoramic, Full, and 2 others. But, when I switch to the DVR's tuner, I no longer have control over this.
You didn't mention what type of connection to the TV you are using, but keep in mind that many HDTVs have less control over aspect ratio for digital (HDMI) inputs compared to analog (composite/S-Video/component) inputs. If you aren't able to get the result you want by setting the TV aspect ratio in the 3575 settings, and you're using HDMI, try component input instead.

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by sansri88
I have a question. I am a total noob at this stuff.

I am looking to purchase something like this. Can someone tell me how they set it up to get all the digital cable channels? There is no cable card slot on this, so how would you set it up to record digital cable channels?
You connect the digital cable box to the recorder using either an S-Video cable with red/white audio cables, or yellow video cable wire + the red/white audio wires, and then record digital channels on the recorders' line input channel.
The ATSC tuner can receive digital channels if you use an HDTV antennae. Not sure if the free unscrambled digital signals from cable with be picked up. I'm thinking units with the QAM tuners only do that.

Westly-C

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

DVDR3575 Connecting Cables

Note: Satellite users need to consult their installation guide or setup manual for info. I think you can set up the same way as described here, but some people say you can't use the normal coax connection, while others say you can but it's "better" thru a line connection, like the "AV IN" connectors on the back of a DVDR.

Connecting to Antenna or Cable Coax

Over-the-air (OTA) antenna and cable TV users (no box) who have some or all unscrambled channels should start by connecting the incoming coax to the 3575, then continue the coax on to downstream components, such as a cable box and TV.

The 3575's coax ANTENNA IN/OUT loop acts as a built-in, no-loss splitter. It feeds the 3575's tuner for watching or recording, AND it passes the raw incoming signal thru to downstream components thru the ANTENNA OUT. It is different from your old VCR because you can't watch anything internal from the 3575 (menus, tuner, HDD, DVD) thru its coax connection, no matter what channel your TV is on...you must use a LINE CONNECTION (composite, S-Video, component, or HDMI).

The IN/OUT loop is an "active" passthru, which means it maintains signal strength (as opposed to a separate splitter which loses strength) as long as the 3575 is plugged in...but it doesn't have to be on. You also don't have to have the 3575 on to watch TV thru its normal coax connection.

With the coax "daisy-chain" as described, you'll have two separate tuners, one in the 3575 and one in the TV (a third in the cable box if you have one and it also passes the coax signal thru like the 3575).

My coax is daisy-chained from my 3575 to a Pioneer DVR-640, then on to my TV. (The Pio 640 has a passive passthru, so no extra signal boost thru it, and why it's 2nd in line on the coax.)

Connecting to a TV

For watching TV thru the 3575 and/or cable box tuners, make separate line connections (composite, S-Video, Component or HDMI) from each component to separate TV inputs. S-Video and Component cables only carry video, so you'll also need L/R audio cables for those connections.

HDMI cable carries both video and audio. The 3575 has a default Setup option to use the HDMI cable for audio, but you can either turn that off if you use a separate audio connection to a receiver or, the lazyman's option, leave it on and turn TV volume down to zero, like I do.

If you have to convert your HDMI to DVI, use an adapter, but remember that DVI only carries video, no audio.

The passthru coax connection allows you to watch TV independently from the 3575 and the box w/o the 3575 being on and w/o selecting a TV line input. To watch anything internal from the 3575, switch to its line input on the TV.

Connecting to a Cable Box

To record channels from a cable box, run a line connection (composite or S-Video+L/R audio) from the box to AV IN (E1) on the back of the 3575. You can also connect to VIDEO + L/R AUDIO on the front of the 3575 (E2).

Connecting to VCR or Camera for Copying

To copy your VHS home movies to DVD, connect composite RCA (Y/W/R) or S-Video+L/R audio cables from a VCR output to AV IN or S-Video IN on the back of the 3575 (E1), if a cable box is not already hooked up there. If already occupied, connect composite cables to the VIDEO/AUDIO inputs on the front of the 3575 (E2).

For temporary connection of a video camera, connect composite cables to E2 or a DV cable to E3 on the front of the 3575.

The front connectors (E2/E3) are good choices for a camera or even a VCR that will not be "permanently" connected to the 3575. Also, connecting to E2/E3 leaves your back connection (E1) open for other, more-permanent components, such as a sat or cable box/DVR.

Best Cables/Connections to Use?

If you're on straight cable TV (no box) with a standard definition (SDTV) DVDR, don't hesitate to try digital composite cables for your connection to the TV since the signal you receive over the cable's single center wire is a compressed Composite signal.

Component or HDMI WILL give you a better pic when watching commercial DVDs since those are produced with Component video... only here will a SDTV system have a pure component transfer from source (DVD) to TV.

If you have a cable box, try as many connection types as you can to see which is best in your system. Your particular box may separate the video components cleanly enough that you'll see a noticeable difference, but the cable signal is still Composite, at least in my area... to "upgrade" to digital TV, my cableco rents a $7/mo. box they say I need but they don't do anything different to the signal coming into my house... they just remove a trap on the feed line that's now blocking certain "extended basic" analog cable channels.

If you're using satellite or an outside antenna (OTA), your source will be sending a Component signal, but only your sat/OTA receiver or DVR will be able to keep the components separated all the way to your TV. If your SDTV recorder attached to the box doesn't have Component inputs (few do), you'll still be combining those components thru the recorder's analog Composite inputs. If you're lucky enough to have a SDTV DVDR with Component inputs, you should get a totally AWESOME picture. But, back in the real world, don't be surprised if your sat/OTA signal is "not quite as good" when passed thru your SDTV recorder's tuner or Composite/S-Video inputs.

Wal-Mart and other B&M stores have a good selection of cables. For online cable purchase, Monoprice and Blue Jeans Cable, both sponsors of the AVS Forums (click their ad at top), make excellent cable. In all your cable purchases, make sure they say they're for "digital" use since they should have better construction, tighter tolerances, broader bandwidth, etc.

Some people haven't heard of "digital" Composite cables. An article by Blue Jeans Cable helps explain why the tighter tolerances and performance standards of digital cable make them a better choice than an analog cable. The article says:

"Can analog cables be used in digital applications? Yes, up to a point; but the looser tolerances of older analog cable designs will limit their run lengths. Can digital cables be used in analog applications? Yes, absolutely; the same tight tolerances which make digital cables appropriate for digital applications make them superb for analog applications. One may not "need" the improvement, but it will never hurt, and can help."

For more info. on why composite cables may work well for our SDTV systems, here's an excerpt on composite video from projectorcentral.com:

"Composite video shows up everywhere these days. It is (except for HDTV) what comes over the air to your TV's antenna, or through the coaxial cable from your cable TV provider. The yellow "video" jacks on the back of your VCR, laserdisc player or DVD player all output composite video.

The good news is that it only takes one wire to carry a composite video signal. The bad news is that the display system, whether it's a television or projector, needs to un-compress the composite signal, restore it to its original three-signal component video format, and then derive from that the RGB information for final display.

The problem is that picture information is lost when component video is compressed into composite format. Furthermore, once you pack luminance (Y) and chrominance (C) information into one signal, it cannot ever be separated cleanly again. So when the television or projector tries to convert the composite signal back to component video, it can't recover the entire original signal. The result is that the final video image on the screen is diminishedóthe picture is not as crisp and clean, and the colors aren't as accurate and rich as they would have been had the composite video compression been avoided."

Notice that "HDTV" is excluded from the quote above since HDTV lives in the totally different world of Component TV... there is no valid or useful comparison between HDTV and SDTV except HDTV is better! ...duh!

Use a SMALL Wrench to Snug-Up Connector Nuts

On every connection that has a nut to tighten, use a SMALL wrench to add just a LITTLE extra tightening at the end. Especially important on all splitter connections.

Don't use a large wrench, pliers or any FORCE at all...just a final snug-up with finger tips on wrench.

I use a small, 6" Crescent wrench. (I had interference once that was caused by an RF/coax input line that I finger-tightened, but I moved the DVDR several times for tests, etc., and it had come loose only about 1/100 of a turn...just enough to cause interference ("scratchiness") in my picture.

For People with ALL Scrambled Channels

If ALL your channels are scambled, the 3575's tuner is useless, so you won't need a coax input on the 3575 and could start with the box. Then the line connection between the box and the 3575, mentioned above, is all you need to record a scambled channel on the 3575, plus its line connection to the TV to watch your recording on the 3575, also as mentioned above.

On 2nd thought, even w/all scrambled channels, why not keep the 3575 1st in line for the incoming coax just for the "boost" in signal strength its active passthru will give to the box and other downstream components? Those downstream components won't even know the 3575 is there, but they might benefit from the active passthru!


wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Ah ok, now it makes more sense. I have another question: This will work with an HDMI switch right? Because my TV has only 1 HDMI input, and it's being used by my Moto STB.

Also, my dad wants to convert our old VHS tapes to DVD. Do you still recommend this model? Or is there one other model that combines both a VHS and a DVD recorder, with DVR functionality? I know this is a lot, but I think one of these exists.

sansri88

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I think the 3575 does down convert the audio to 2 channel stereo. But based on my 5 year old Samsung set top box it is possible to down convert the OTA digital video to 480i while passing through the dolby digital audio.

I would suggest passing through dolby digital OTA as another improvement Philips should make in the 3575.

Postmoderndesign

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I'm pretty sure the 3575 downconverts to DD 2.0 on passthrough and of course for recording. I couldn't find it anywhere explicitly in the manual, but the Philips wouldn't be the only DVDR to do this. IIRC, there is only one of the new units which passes through the multichannel audio, but I forget which one (Samsung?), and I don't think any of them actually record the multichannel DD. From the recording standpoint, 2.0 vs 5.1 makes sense because otherwise it would take up more DVD space and you wouldn't get 2 hrs in SP mode.

chrisb0

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisb0
I'm pretty sure the 3575 downconverts to DD 2.0 on passthrough and of course for recording. I couldn't find it anywhere explicitly in the manual, but the Philips wouldn't be the only DVDR to do this. IIRC, there is only one of the new units which passes through the multichannel audio, but I forget which one (Samsung?), and I don't think any of them actually record the multichannel DD. From the recording standpoint, 2.0 vs 5.1 makes sense because otherwise it would take up more DVD space and you wouldn't get 2 hrs in SP mode.
There are NO current DVD recorders that record in 5.1 DD.

Everything is recorded in 2.0 DD, no matter the source or whatever.

I "think" at one time, about a couple of years ago, that a Lite-On model "may" have recorded in 5.1, but I am not sure.

It may have been a Sylvania model.

But it was definitely one of the cheapass models found at Radio Shack, that is for sure.

But it used up more disc space as noted, and became pointless, IIRC.

STEELERSRULE

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

It wasn't a Lite-On...

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I think, but would not swear in court, that the new Panasonic DMR-EZ47VK passes through and records in Dolby Digital from OTA digital. Maybe someone with that DVD recorder will write of his or her experience.

Of course the Panasonic does not have a hard drive.

Postmoderndesign

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I think we're talking about apples vs oranges.
They all record 2 channel Dolby Digital, just
not Dolby 5.1.

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Since the SD DVD-Video standard only allows DD2.0, I don't think any SD recorder would be able to record any "higher" DD std or those could not be dubbed to a DVD disc? Maybe pass-thru, but then wouldn't recording to disc be made more "difficult" in the tuner circuitry?

wajo

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Yes, I was incorrectly using the term dolby digital as interchangable with 5.1. For those of us who would value the DVD recorder as taking the place of a set top box while we get the last centimeter of use out of our ancient analogue televisions the 5.1 pass though is a desirable feature.

What is recorded is a second issue. It would be nice if 5.1 from OTA could be recorded. Since movies in 480i are recorded on DVD with 5.1 I know it is currently possible to fit the data on a disk. However, I do not know what is involved in getting the job done.

Postmoderndesign

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Did you try setting the Disc Audio > Dolby Digital setting to "PCM" instead of its default "Stream"? This setting controls the digital audio output jack, and PCM should make the DD compatible with your AV receiver. (You can also try changing the other 2 settings in that menu.)
From my experience, a "PCM" option for digital audio output usually means a 2-channel stereo output digitized as PCM. This is different than any DD output, whether DD2.0 (which is audio-content equivalent but encoded differently) or DD5.1.

PCM often means uncompressed "linear PCM" digital audio recording (2-channel stereo), which is an option on several DVD recorders as an alternative to DD2.0 recording, which is compressed and uses less bandwidth/storage space than the PCM alternative.

So, I don't think a PCM setting on a device will ever deliver any DD signal, but rather a linear PCM 2-channel stereo signal. I had to use the PCM setting on my HD TiVo (HR10-250) to get my LCD HDTV to acccept the digital audio included on the HDMI interface. The TV cannot process anything DD in its audio section.

I am not surprised that the DVD recorders with digital OTA/cable tuners do not pass through DD5.1. Although technically unrelated, it kind of goes hand-in-hand with not passing through true HDTV signals at 720p or 1080i.

Budget_HT

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by wabjxo
Please report your results after you hook up the HDMI connection...that's my next step -- a LCD or plasma 1080p!

What display/res will you be using?
I'm using a Toshiba 34hfx84 34" 16x9 CRT set, the one poor old Walter wanted so badly.
It looks good but tends to get some tiny edge sparklies on some channels< I haven't redone the component cables to see if it's any different and I have it set to 1080i
the highest the set supports.
I have tried the lower res as well and they all look pretty similar and same edge weirdness occasionally.
I spose it might be the cheap cables as well... It's not bad enough to make me not want to use it.
Was trying to get a smokin deal on a 500 gig IDE today as well but got shot down...

Dartman

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Kex, what is a tilt sensor on these remotes and what's it for?

deeta

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

The TS turns on the backlighting of the controls if you lift the remote. Some people complain if they are "too sensitive", turning on the light if they touch the remote at all (not good in a darkened room when watching a movie, and drains the battery faster). The Harmony tilt usually requires a more deliberate action, so you can move it without illuminating it if you want to. It really is a "tilt" sensor as opposed to a "motion" sensor.

Other remotes will have a "light" or "glow" button you would have to press, or no lighting at all.

If you have other "remote specific" questions, there is a whole area of threads dedicated to this.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...aysprune=&f=93

Kex

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I'm doing my once every 5 year technology upgrade and after reading much of this thread decided this was the DVR to get. I'm not into the monthly TIVO payments, so I ruled that out.

I received the 3575 yesterday and played with it for just a short while. Replaced the cables on my old RCA DVR into this one and quickly got going. Scanned Analog and Digital from my Comcast Basic cable and got all gigly when the QAM grabbed all those unscrambled DTV channels!

Don't have the new TV yet, waiting till Aug 20 to get the Visio 52 at Costco. Bit dissappointed to see the DTV channels not filling the screen of my 4:3 TV. Of course the wide HD has bars as one would expect, but the 4:3 HD has bars all 4 sides, YUK! I'm thinking safe to ignore this, and will get better when I get the 1080p Visio LDC.

Figuring out the channels is an experience. Thanks to the post about the Comcast TV Planner, it is getting much clearer as to what should be where. I've got a bunch of 80.1 80.x channels that appear to be the 800 series HD channels from comcast!

At the same time, I'm doing PVR on my HDPC with Windows Media Center and have a liitle Hauppage 950 USB plugged into a OTA antenna that gets 4 very clear Wide Screen HD channels (NFL ones!).

The Program Guide built into the Media Center rocks. It is the best and easiest thing I've ever used to record. I must admit that after seeing it, I don't know how much I'm going to want to mess with the 3575. That one feature alone is soo cool.

I only spent a few minutes trying to get the chase feature that is a requirement for someone who wants to digest 3 hour football games in less than 3 hours and I couldn't seem to get it working. I've searched this thread for chase and see that it must work and I'm sure I'll figure it out, but it wasn't nearly as intuitive as my old RCA DVR.

What will be the best Chase for the football scenarios. Again I haven't figure it out yet. If I have the thing on the channel when a game starts but get to it an hour later, how will I best rewind to the start. Do I have to do something at the start, or is there really a 6 hour buffer that is always kicking in with no action on my part except being tuned to the right channel? I saw one post that said the one click record was better than the live TV. Perhaps someone who has already figured it out can tell me in advance and I'll learn it your way.

BTW, the Media Center prospect with the guide is so cool that I've ordered a HDHomerun which will also QAM my Comcast into the Media Center. I'm thinking if I get all the same channels showing up in Media Center, that will be a much better viewing experience. Of course it requires a PC, but the HDHomerun is network based so I can have multiple PC's watching games. One to the Visio 52, another to my notebook, etc.

Thanks in advance for any chase suggestions that will put my on the best path.

Ken . . .

kwhiteseide_ga

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Ken, read the section on Pause Live TV in the manual.

The Pause Live TV button starts the buffering (up to 12 hr IIRC). Then you use it like regular chase play (FFW, REW, pause, etc.), using the Pause Live TV button to pause the buffering. To stop playing you press stop once, to stop buffering you press stop again.

You can't save the buffer to the HDD, so if you think you might want to save a recording, you have to use the one-touch recording or timer recording. You can do chase play with these - press play and navigate from there. Pressing stop once while playing will stop playing - careful, if you press stop twice, it will stop recording.

TBH, I still haven't figured out any advantage to the Pause Live TV function compared to one-touch recording for chase play unless you're absolutely sure you don't want to save the program.

rex king

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwhiteseide_ga
I only spent a few minutes trying to get the chase feature that is a requirement for someone who wants to digest 3 hour football games in less than 3 hours and I couldn't seem to get it working. I've searched this thread for chase and see that it must work and I'm sure I'll figure it out, but it wasn't nearly as intuitive as my old RCA DVR.
Actually it's too intuitive. I even spent a minute puzzling over it before I realized how easy it is.

The 6-hr. live TV buffer doesn't run automatically all the time. To start it, press Pause Live TV. Note that there's no way to save the live TV buffer if you decide that you want to keep it on the HDD to watch later - if you think you might want to save it, just press Record instead.

Either way, all you have to do to start chase playback is press Play. You can then use all the playback controls normally (Play, Stop, FF/RW, Ch +/-, pause, slowmo etc). You can even display the HDD title menu and play a different title. All while recording continues unaffected. To end recording, just press Stop a 2nd time while stopped (or in the case of Pause Live TV, press Pause Live TV again, then press Stop in response to the prompt message).

amesdp

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by deeta
So far so good with the unit. I love it but WHY does the remote not have a volume and a mute button!! Even the Polaroid 2001G remote had those.

I guess 'll have to spring for another universal remote to run my old Panasonic TV and my GoVideo DVD/VCR. Any suggestions?
I recommend Universal Remote Control's RF10 as a middle option - anywhere from $47-$70 online or at Fry's Electronics.

-8 components
-Can map 2 commands to a single button with Shift function
-43 configurable hard buttons - only had to map 4 commands from the 3575 as a Shift command
-6-character LCD
-Backlight button (no sensor)
-Won't run out of memory
-10 macros of up to 50 steps
-Setup is like traditional learning remotes - took me about 45 min for 6 components

It didn't have the 3575 in the database and isn't "upgradeable" via JP1, phone, or USB, so not a great option if you're missing original remotes or don't have a component's commands stored on another learning remote, but the RF10 learned every command for the 3575 and my non-Media Center based HTPC.

rex king

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Thanks for the response on the chase. Sounds like record is the way to go.

This Guide + site states that the DVDR3575H comes equipped with Guide +

Anybody know how to get this working??


GUIDE Plus+ models

GUIDE Plus+? models
The GUIDE Plus+ system is available in a variety of models from the world's leading home video brands. All products equipped with the GUIDE Plus+ system have the GUIDE Plus+ logo on the front panel.

The table below lists the models currently available.
Brand Model Number Available Since GUIDE Plus+ Grid
JVC DR-ED400 November 2005
DR-MH300
DR-MX10
Philips DVDR3577H June 2007
DVDR3595H
DVDR3597H
DVDR3575H
DVDR3570H

kwhiteseide_ga

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Title Navigation

I don't know if I just missed it, but I just figured out yesterday you can navigate the Title page using the Next and Previous buttons to go to the next or previous page. I know some people were a bit annoyed with having to advance title by title to navigate.

Title Divide/Scene Delete Issue

I called Philips a few days ago, and wasn't given much encouragement that they're working on a firmware fix for this. I was told to do a reset (which I've done) and upgrade to the current firmware, which I reluctantly did. Thankfully, it didn't screw anything up, but it didn't solve the problem. The tech I talked to didn't know whether or not they were working on a fix for this particular problem. I told him I knew there were others with the same issue, but this didn't register much of a response.

Has anyone had the Scene Delete issue resolved by the firmware posted on 6/18? I would encourage others having the same problem to call Philips and let them know to get cracking on it. Thanks.

rex king

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwhiteseide_ga
Thanks for the response on the chase. Sounds like record is the way to go.

This Guide + site states that the DVDR3575H comes equipped with Guide +

Anybody know how to get this working??

....Philips DVDR3577H June 2007

The US model doesn't have a programming guide or VCR+ type feature. Maybe they planned on including it, but left it out in the end.

BTW, what the heck is the 3577?

rex king

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Didn't catch that 3577 model. It is a direct cut and paste from the Guide+ Europe site.

kwhiteseide_ga

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I was attempting to dub 17 thirty minute edited programs (at SLP) from HDD to DVD. The dub speed was set at Auto. It would obviously take some time to dub. I had miscalculated how long it would take to dub. Two hours into the dubbing a Timer was scheduled. The dubbing stopped and the timer began recording without warning. Is this normal? I was hoping for some kind of warning and a choice of continuing the dub or letting the timer start as scheduled. Has anyone else run across this situation? A choice would have been nice. My old Phillips 3455 offered a choice of which to do; continue dubbing or cancel the timer. In a similar situation some of the earler Piooners gave a choice of stopping a scheduled timer for one time or permanently. I personally would like to see this feature added to the 3575 in a firmware upgrade.

Tommy

webteck

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I've had mine warn me (I think) 5 minutes before a timer recording starts,
giving me the option of cancelling the timer recording, but the times it's
happened I was either manually recording or just watching a previously
recorded title. I was not dubbing...

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by webteck
I was attempting to dub 17 thirty minute edited programs (at SLP) from HDD to DVD. The dub speed was set at Auto. It would obviously take some time to dub. I had miscalculated how long it would take to dub. Two hours into the dubbing a Timer was scheduled. The dubbing stopped and the timer began recording without warning. Is this normal? I was hoping for some kind of warning and a choice of continuing the dub or letting the timer start as scheduled. Has anyone else run across this situation? A choice would have been nice. My old Phillips 3455 offered a choice of which to do; continue dubbing or cancel the timer. In a similar situation some of the earler Piooners gave a choice of stopping a scheduled timer for one time or permanently. I personally would like to see this feature added to the 3575 in a firmware upgrade.

Tommy
Since I have been using mostly DVD+RW for my dubbing, I would certainly prefer that it suspend dubbing, rather than not perform the scheduled timer event. With the DVD+RW media, the media would not be damaged and I can always complete the rest of the dubbing at a later time. If the program was not recorded, it would be lost. I suppose it could ask me, but I believe I would always tell it to do the scheduled recording.
Were you using +R or -R media when this happened? If so, did you wind up with a partial title on the DVD? That would be the only possible issue for me (If the dubbing suspension caused a partial title, that I could not erase, so I could not complete the planned dubbing at a later time).

kenavs

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenavs
Since I have been using mostly DVD+RW for my dubbing, I would certainly prefer that it suspend dubbing, rather than not perform the scheduled timer event. With the DVD+RW media, the media would not be damaged and I can always complete the rest of the dubbing at a later time. If the program was not recorded, it would be lost. I suppose it could ask me, but I believe I would always tell it to do the scheduled recording.
Were you using +R or -R media when this happened? If so, did you wind up with a partial title on the DVD? That would be the only possible issue for me (If the dubbing suspension caused a partial title, that I could not erase, so I could not complete the planned dubbing at a later time).

I was using +R recording media and I haven't had a chance to see if it kept the dubs it had already done (6 of 17 were complted before timer started.

Tommy

webteck

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Day 2 of new 3575

Browsing through the digital channels trying to match them to some programming guide. Trying TV Planner for Comcast Atlanta, and Zap2IT. They both seem to match each other, but none of the channels actually match what they are supposed to be. Anybody got any advice for figuring out what is on??

Of course I might know before hand when my fav series is on, or that Football starts at 1pm and 4pm on Fox and CBS. Other than that, how do you grab movies during the middle of the night if you can't find a programming guide to match the channels up??

Being able to offload to DVD was part of the plan. But if I can't find enough programming to actually record, what is the point?

kwhiteseide_ga

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwhiteseide_ga
Day 2 of new 3575

Browsing through the digital channels trying to match them to some programming guide. Trying TV Planner for Comcast Atlanta, and Zap2IT. They both seem to match each other, but none of the channels actually match what they are supposed to be. Anybody got any advice for figuring out what is on??

Of course I might know before hand when my fav series is on, or that Football starts at 1pm and 4pm on Fox and CBS. Other than that, how do you grab movies during the middle of the night if you can't find a programming guide to match the channels up??

Being able to offload to DVD was part of the plan. But if I can't find enough programming to actually record, what is the point?
I'm not sure from your post if you're on cable or OTA.
For OTA I use TitanTV

Chuck44

Philips DVDR3575H 37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w ATSC tuner

I'm getting the Unscrambled Clear from my Comcast Cable

kwhiteseide_ga

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