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Question Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump ( AVS Forum DVD Players (Standard Def) )
Updated: 2008-05-17 14:15:28 (6549)
Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump

Updated 07/12/2008: Playback Magazine Review
Updated 06/27/2008: DV983H-07-0619 Firmware Released
Updated 06/25/2008: Audioholics (Clint DeBoer) Review
Updated 06/02/2008: DVD Times (David Mackenzie) Review
Updated 05/09/2008: DV983H-06-0430 Firmware released
Updated 04/18/2008: CNET (David Katzmaier) Review
Updated 04/10/2008: HDTV Solutions (Dick De Jong) Review
Updated 04/07/2008: DV983H-06-0406 Firmware Released
Updated 03/25/2008: About.com (Robert Silva) Review
Updated 03/20/2008: Jeffhdz DV-983H Versus PS3 Comparison
Updated 03/20/2008: HDTVPodcast Review
Updated 03/20/2008: Darthfunk Mini Review (Singapore)
Updated 03/10/2008: wmcclain (Bill McClain) Beta Wrapup
Updated 03/10/2008: Gonk's DV-983H Review

OPPO Receives First Ever 100/100 on Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity DVD Player Benchmark

DV-983H Universal DVD Player

DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, Redbook CD and HDCD Universal Playback with Precision Track 3™ Drive Mechanism

VRS™ by Anchor Bay (Video Reference Series) Video Processing Technologies – Precision De-interlacing™ and Precision Video Scaling™ to 1080p

Optimized Power Supply and Audio Circuitry, High Resolution Audio Digital-to-Analog Converters, 7.1CH Surround Sound and Audiophile-Level Sound Quality



Feature Highlights


Great Picture:
  • Advanced video processing featuring "VRS™ by Anchor Bay" technologies: Precision De-interlacing™ Precision Video Scaling™ Progressive Cadence Detection™, and AutoCUE-C™
  • High definition up-conversion with film-like picture quality and up to 1080p “Full HD” resolution
  • HDMI output with exceptional core video performance
  • Component video output with 108MHz 12-bit D/A converters

Great Sound:
  • 7.1-channel audio with Dolby Digital Surround EX decoding
  • Digital audio output via optical, coaxial and HDMI with DTS Digital Surround, Dolby Digital and Dolby Pro-Logic II support
  • HDMI audio output supporting bit-stream and uncompressed multi-channel high resolution audio
  • 24-bit, 192kHz, 8-channel high resolution audio D/A converters
  • Optimized analog audio stage and isolated audio power supply

Broad Compatibility:
  • PAL and NTSC compatible with multiple output formats – NTSC: 1080p/1080i/720p/480p, PAL: 1080p/1080i/720p/576p
  • Compatible with Kodak Picture CD, Windows Media Audio and other digital audio/video/picture on CD-R/RW and DVD?R/RW, DVD?R DL discs*
  • Precision Track 3™ drive mechanism with dual-laser optical pickup head and excellent error correction
  • Wide range universal power supply (~100-240V, 50/60Hz AC)

Ultimate Convenience:
  • USB 2.0 interface for video, picture and music playback
  • High resolution photo slide show
  • RS232 and external IR in/out remote control integration
  • Multi-disc resume, various play mode (repeat, A-B repeat, shuffle, random and bookmark)

* Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best effort basis with no guarantee due to the variation of media, software and techniques used.


Details of Features


Universal DVD Player Features:
  • DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD-Video universal playback
  • Compatible with Audio CD, HDCD, WMA, Kodak Picture CD, and other digital audio/video/picture media and formats* (*Note: The DV-983H does not play Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD discs)
  • High resolution picture slide show
  • Plays XviD and .SRT, .SMI, .IDX and .SUB format
  • Compatible with CD-R/RW, DVD?R/RW and DVD?R DL* (*Note: Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best effort basis with no guarantee due to the variation of media, software and techniques used. For example, Discs recorded on some stand-alone DVD recorders or DVD camcorders may not exhibit smooth playback.)

Video Up-Conversion Features:
  • High definition up-conversion with increased picture clarity. Up-converts standard definition video on DVD discs to 480p/720p/1080i and 1080p Full HD resolutions.
  • Motion-adaptive, edge-adaptive and inverse telecine progressive scan technology to produce a smooth and natural looking image.
  • High-quality pure digital video and audio through a single HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) cable
  • Multiple high definition output formats – NTSC: 1080p/1080i/720p/480p, PAL: 1080p/1080i/720p/576p
  • Compatible with HDTV, HD-Ready TV, HDTV monitors and projectors with an HDMI or DVI input (HDCP support is required)
  • PAL and NTSC compatible with system conversion
  • Supports screen aspect ratio 4:3 (standard) and 16:9 (wide-screen)
  • User adjustable video controls: Sharpness, Contrast, Brightness, Hue, Saturation, Gamma and Y/C Delay
  • Component video output with progressive scan (Up-converting over component output is only available for unencrypted DVD discs such as home video and consumer-created contents. Most commercially pressed DVD discs are CSS-encrypted and will be limited to 480i/480p output over component. HDMI output is protected with HDCP and has no such restriction.)
  • Composite video and S-Video outputs (standard-definition output only)

Convenience Features:
  • User selectable aspect ratio control modes: 1:1, stretch, letterbox, pillarbox, underscan, and various zoom levels
  • USB 2.0 interface for video, picture and music playback
  • Smooth and easy navigation of photo albums, music collections and video files on DVD and CD
  • Selectable subtitle and audio tracks
  • Discrete ON/OFF remote control IR code for programmable universal remote controls
  • 10-disc memory resume

Optimized Audio Features:
  • High-resolution multi-channel digital audio output through HDMI supporting CD, DVD-Audio, SACD, Dolby Digital and DTS sound tracks. (Requires compatible A/V receiver)
  • Individual analog 7.1-channel surround outputs, compatible with 5.1-channel and down-mixed stereo.
  • Dolby Digital Surround EX decoding
  • 24-bit, 192kHz, 8-channel high resolution audio D/A converters
  • Optical and coaxial digital audio outputs with DTS, Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro-Logic II and Linear PCM support
  • Built-in equalizer, channel trim, channel delay and lip-sync (audio delay) functions

Connectors:
  • HDMI - High Definition Multimedia Interface: 1
  • Component Video (YPbPr/YCbCr): 1 group (3 RCA connectors)
  • Analog 7.1-Channel Audio: 1 group (8 RCA connectors, may be configured as 5.1-channel or stereo)
  • S/PDIF (IEC-958) Coaxial Digital Audio: 1 (RCA connector)
  • S/PDIF (IEC-958) Optical Digital Audio: 1 (TOSLINK connector)
  • Composite Video: 1 (RCA connector)
  • S-Video: 1 (S-Video connector)
  • USB 2.0: 1
  • AC Power Inlet: 1 (IEC60-320 C18 type)

Compatibility Features:
  • Dual-laser optical pickup head with excellent error correction
  • Enhanced dual-layer disc support with fast layer change
  • Wide range universal power supply (~100V-240V, 50/60Hz AC)

Package Contents:
  • DV-983H DVD player
  • Remote control with glow in the dark keypad (batteries included)
  • High-quality certified HDMI cable with gold-plated HDMI connectors
  • Heavy gauge power cord
  • A/V cable
  • User manual and warranty information

USER MANUAL

REVIEWS

Kris Deering (Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity)
"The tentative release date of the Oppo DV-983H is March 10, 2008, and if you’re looking for reference video playback performance, this is it. Oppo has produced one heck of a machine. Its performance matches any design I’ve tested to date, and its performance via HDMI with both video and audio is outstanding. My highest recommendation."
John E. Johnson, Jr. (Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity)
"First of all, while I was testing the audio, I took the opportunity to enjoy DVDs as well, and I must say, I have not seen SD DVD look any better than this. I did not see any problems at all. So, it looks like this will be our reference DVD player for reviewing SD DVDs in the Movie Renter's Guide."

"While it is likely we will all be using HDMI from our DVD players to send both audio and video to our SSPs or receivers in the near future, measurement of the analog performance of players is still an indicator of build quality, and the Oppo DV-983H is excellent in this regard."
CNET (David Katzmaier) Review - 8.4/10 Score
The good: Excellent image quality on DVDs; can upscale to 1080p; plays DVD-Audio and SACD discs over HDMI output; 7.1 analog outputs; USB port for playing DivX, MP3 and JPEG files; excellent aspect-ratio controls and zooming; can be made region-free with a simple hack; also plays PAL discs.

The bad: Very expensive for a standard-definition disc player; remote is cluttered with buttons; Blu-ray discs look much better than DVDs.

The bottom line: The Oppo DV-983H is pretty much the ultimate standard-def disc player, but its high price means videophiles on a budget can get a better bang for their buck.
Audioholics (Clint DeBoer) - Performance Rating: 4/5 Value Rating: 5/5
Pros
* Pristine video performance
* Bargain upconverting player
* Standard power cable

Cons
* Tough sell in current marketplace
* Rudimentary bass management
* Fixed crossover (when engaged)
PlayBack Magazine - 9/10 Overall Value
Thumbs Up
  • Killer DVD image quality that really shows what a good upscaling player can do.
  • Sound quality hinges on good resolution, vibrant tonal colors, and terrific three-dimensionality -- a sweet combination if ever we heard one
  • Excellent user interface

Thumbs Down
  • Can sometimes sound slightly brihgt on CD playback
  • Makes more costly players nervous -- very nervous
Gonk's DV-983H Review
After over a year and a half of turmoil, posturing, and conflict, we have come to the end of the HD format war. As a side-effect of the war and Blu-ray's final victory, there has been something of a decline in effort being put into standard DVD players by some manufacturers. It is into that environment that OPPO Digital is introducing a statement piece: a universal DVD player with a potent video processing section and a bit more polish than earlier OPPO players. At a price point of $399 for a DVD player in 2008, it's clear that OPPO doesn't expect this to be a player that sets sales records for them (that's what the 980H is for). Instead, it has been developed as a flagship player, and in that role it excels. If you aren't ready to buy into Blu-ray or if you want a player that will wring the most performance possible out of your existing DVD library, the 983H is a player that could serve you well for many years to come.
HDTVPodcast Review
We really liked the Oppo Digital DV-983H. So who should spend $399 on it? If you are really into movies and have a large collection of DVDs this is the player that will do the best with everything you have. If you have a front projector and don't want to spend $3000 on a video processor this player will do the same thing, at least for your DVDs, for a fraction of the cost. If you are a videophile and you want the absolute best video performance the 983 is for you. Finally, if you just can't bring yourself to buying a Blu Ray Player this is the unit for you.
About.com (Robert Silva)
... the DV-983H produced excellent results in terms of detail, color, video noise reduction, moire pattern detection and elimination, and frame cadence detection. The video quality also bore out in real world DVD playback as well ...

Audio performance of the DV-983H was also excellent. Dolby Digital/DTS surround sound options worked well, with excellent imaging. CD, DVD-Audio, and SACD playback audio reproduction was solid. I did not sense any shortcomings that could be attributed to the DV-983H.
HDTV Solutions (Dick De Jong) Review
In the world of upconverting DVD players, the OPPO DV-983H is a videophile's dream machine
DVD Times (David Mackenzie) Review
Oppo’s DV-983H is one hell of a DVD player. If you don’t already have a Blu-ray Disc player, I’d advise that you put one of those on your shopping list before you go after DVD near-perfection ... When the time comes to squeeze more performance out of your standard-def back catalogue – or if you aren’t ready to take the Blu plunge just yet – then put the 983 at the top of your list. I would be lying if I were to say the player was perfect (in particular I’d like to see it’s auto-detection for PAL film content improved). But I’d also be lying if I were to say I could think of a better overall DVD player than this.
REGION UNLOCKING

Press Setup.
Press "9210" in quick succession. A new window will appear.
Press "0". Your region is now multi-region.
Press Setup to Exit.

FIRMWARE
Version: DV983H-05-0303
Category: Initial Firmware Release
Release Date: March 10, 2008
Release Notes: Initial Firmware Release

Version: DV983H-06-0406
Category: Minor Update
Release Date: April 7, 2008
Release Notes:

1. Improvement for Audio Drop-out Issue with Certain HDMI A/V Receiver Models
This version contains adjustment to HDMI audio information exchange with A/V receivers equipped with HDMI ports. The improvement solves the audio drop-out issue that a few users experience with their Pioneer VSX-94TXi and VSX-84TXSi receivers at 1080p resolution.
2. More Reliable Detection of DVD Aspect Ratio (4:3 or 16:9)
This version enhances the detection of DVD aspect ratio. OPPO beta test participants and some users have identified a limited number of DVD discs that contain inconsistent aspect ratio flags. When played on a DV-983H with previous firmware versions, these discs could be displayed with an incorrect aspect ratio. For example, a 16:9 movie could be displayed as 4:3. This version resolves the issue. The issue only affects users who set the "TV Display" setup menu option is set to "16:9 Wide/Auto". With this setting, the DV-983H automatically detects the aspect ratio of the DVD video program. If the program is 4:3 aspect ratio, the player adds borders in order to display the video correctly on a 16:9 screen.
3. Bass Management for 96k Source
This firmware version optimizes the DSP (Digital Signal Processor) usage and adds bass management for audio sources that are encoded in 96kHz sample rate. When the front speakers are set to "Small" and subwoofer is set to "On", the DV-983H can redirect bass from the front channels to the LFE subwoofer channel. This improvement applies to DVD-Video and DVD-Audio discs. It is in addition to bass management already supported in previous firmware releases for sources with less than 96k sample rate (CD, DVD-Audio/Video and SACD).
4. Improved Transition between CD Audio Tracks
This firmware version improves the transition between CD audio tracks. The improvement is noticeable on certain discs that have very tight transition between two tracks, and discs that start with a very strong note.
5. Improvements Based on User Provided Materials
This firmware version includes improvements made to enhance compatibility with some user provided materials. Although the product specification disclaims "Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best effort basis with no guarantee due to the variation of media, software and techniques used," OPPO tries very hard to accommodate customers' reasonable compatibility requests. This firmware version enhances compatibility to some DVD+R and DVD-R media, large Xvid files on USB drives, visibility/color of SRT subtitles, and recorded DVD with MPEG2 audio. These improvements are based on materials submitted by users. Thanks to all who provided materials for testing.
Version: DV983H-06-0430
Category: Minor Update
Release Date: May 9, 2008
Release Notes:

1. Improvement for Audio/Video Drop-out Issue with Certain Combination of HDMI A/V Receivers and Displays
This version contains adjustment to HDMI video clock timing to enhance compatibility with certain combination of HDMI A/V receivers and displays. By adjusting the relative timing between the video clock and video data, the new firmware leaves more safety margin for clock and data time variation along the HDMI signal chain. As a result, the audio/video drop-out issue that some users reported has been fixed.
Version: DV983H-07-0619, 07-0709, 08-0709
(All three batch numbers correspond to the same firmware release and contain the same feature/improvement set. Different batch numbers are used in different production runs.)
Category: Minor Update
Release Date: June 25, 2008
Release Notes:

1. SACD Priority
With this version, when a user selects an SACD layer (Multi-channel, Stereo, CD Mode) using the "AUDIO" button during SACD playback, the selection is no longer permanently stored as the "SACD Priority" setup menu choice. The change also resolves a problem of inadvertently changing "SACD Priority" when an SACD disc without a certain layer is played. Users can use the "SACD Priority" setup menu to specify a general preference of which layer to play by default, and can temporarily change the selection by pressing the "AUDIO" button during SACD playback.
2. Sample Rate for 176.4kHz DVD-Audio Discs
Previous firmware versions down-samples 176.4kHz DVD-Audio to 44.1kHz. This version no longer does it. When a connected HDMI receiver can handle 176.4kHz sample rate, the audio is sent over HDMI at 176.4kHz sample rate. Other sample rates do not have the down-sample problem, and are not affected by this version. DVD-Audio discs using 176.4kHz sample rate are rare but a few titles were released this way.
Firmware Upgrade Instructions
USB Upgrade Instructions
1. Download *.BIN from OPPO Digital.
2. Copy the downloaded file to a USB thumb drive (or a flash memory card if you have a compatible card reader). Rename the file to 983.BIN. It is important that you must rename the file and use upper-case characters for the file name.
3. Turn on your TV display and the OPPO player. Insert the USB thumb drive or flash memory card reader to the USB slot. Open the player tray, and then close the tray with no disc in it.
4. The player will find the firmware file on the USB thumb drive or flash memory card. You will see "Press Play To Start" on your TV display. Press the PLAY key on the remote or the player once. The TV display shows "File Copying" and then "UPGRADING."
5. When the front panel display of the OPPO player starts counting "01/32", "02/32" and so on, remove the USB thumb drive or flash memory card reader from the USB slot. DO NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE. What follows is the process when the player will reboot itself.
6. DO NOT PRESS ANY BUTTONS NOR ATTEMPT TO CLOSE THE TRAY NOR UNPLUG THE POWER DURING THE REMAINING UPGRADE PROCESS.
7. After approximately 1 - 2 minutes, the player reboots itself to complete the process. The update process is completed when the front panel of the DVD player shows "No Disc".
8. Press the "OSD" button on the remote control to verify the new firmware version.
9. The new firmware may affect your HDMI output resolution and setup menu settings. To ensure you have the correct settings, turn off and then turn on the player. Press the HDMI button on the remote control to set the desired output resolution. Adjust the setup menu settings if necessary.
10. Congratulations! You have just completed the firmware upgrade.

CD-R Upgrade Instructions
1. Download the firmware ISO.
2. Burn a CD from the downloaded ISO image file. Be sure to burn the CD as an ISO image file, not a data file. The CD should contain a 983.BIN file if you burned it successfully. Please consult your CD burning software's help/instruction manual for more information on how to do this. Some general instruction for common CD burning software is listed below.
3. Turn on your TV display and the OPPO player. Open the player tray and insert the firmware CD, and then close the tray.
4. As soon as the CD is loaded, you will see "Press Play To Start" on your TV display. Press the PLAY key on the remote or the player once. The TV display shows "File Copying" and then "UPGRADING"
5. In about 8 seconds, the CD will be ejected. Remove the CD quickly; DO NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE. What follows is the process when the player will reboot itself.
6. DO NOT PRESS ANY BUTTONS NOR ATTEMPT TO CLOSE THE TRAY NOR UNPLUG THE POWER DURING THE REMAINING UPGRADE PROCESS.
7. After approximately 1 - 2 minutes, the player reboots itself and closes the tray automatically to complete the process. The update process is completed when the front panel of the DVD player shows "No Disc".
8. Press the "OSD" button on the remote control to verify the new firmware version.
9. The new firmware may affect your HDMI output resolution and setup menu settings. To ensure you have the correct settings, turn off and then turn on the player. Press the HDMI button on the remote control to set the desired output resolution. Adjust the setup menu settings if necessary.
10. Congratulations! You have just completed the firmware upgrade.

The Big Four Caveats: Or Why We Should Never See These Features Asked For Again

No 1080p/24Hz Support
Many of you asked about a 1080p 24Hz mode. The ABT1018 scaler and frame rate converter in the 983H is capable of generating the 1080p24Hz timing and converting 50Hz or 60Hz input to 24Hz. However the frame rate conversion is not locked to the original cadence of the program. This is due to the ABT1018 scaler/frame rate converter is a separate chip from the ABT102 de-interlacer, and there is no cadence information passed between the two chips. As a result, the 1080p 24Hz output will have judder. This defeats the purpose of having a 24Hz output for film-based material. We decide not to offer 1080p 24Hz output on the 983H.
No SACD DSD
Due to the insertion of the ABT video processor chipset in the signal path, the DV-983H cannot output DSD in its native format via HDMI. This is because adding the video processor chipset requires an external HDMI transmitter, but the decoder chip does not have native DSD output to feed into an external HDMI transmitter. The DV-980H uses the HDMI transmitter built into the decoder chip, and can get DSD data internally.
No 480i/576i Over HDMI
Again due to the insertion of the ABT video processor chip, 480i/576i over HDMI is not possible on the DV-983H. 480i/576i over HDMI requires pixel repetition and double clocking. This is not possible because the output from the decoder chip is not pixel repeated.

Beyond this, 480i/576i is not necessary for this product. You are purchasing the DV-983H for its ABT de-interlacing and scaling prowess. If you are looking for a video transport, there are cheaper alternatives, such as the DV-980H.
No Custom Resolutions
The ABT1018 scaler has some potential to support custom resolution. A major limitation is that the video timing clock must be derived from the input video clock using a PLL, which has a limited range. Due to the variation of custom resolution timing in different display devices, we will not officially offer custom resolution support. The DV-983H will initially offer no custom resolution support. After we get the standard features released, we will work with ABT to develop output timing for a limited set of custom resolution. Some custom resolutions may not be support due to the PLL cannot generate the required clock. The DVDO VP30/50 series video processor uses an external clock synthesizer chip to generate clock for custom resolutions. The external clock synthesizer solution is too expensive to put into the DV-983H. It is also too difficult to set up for non-expert users.

Answers: Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump ( AVS Forum DVD Players (Standard Def) )
Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer
For us Integra DTC-9.8 users the output should be set to RGB anyways. The Integra DTC-9.8 does not like YCbCr at upscaled resolutions.

mjmbond, which colorspace did you have your DV-983H set to previously, and what colorspace is your current DVD player set to?
Ok, back to problem solving!

It's set to YCbCr 4:4:4. The 9.8 is set to "Through" with the "Immediate Display" set to "Off." The 9.8 is not performing any video processing.

mjmbond

Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump

Quote:
Originally Posted by GSB
Now we're getting some thorough, constructive observations for the diagnostics database. Have any of you further explored the overheating scenario that was raised recently?

Gary
When I first experienced A/V dropouts my 983 had been on for a few hours, and my first thought was overheating. The next time I experienced dropouts, it was from a cold start.

For the record, the 983 sits on an open rack shelf with a BD30 below it, nothing to the sides and another shelf about 10" above it. Plenty of airspace.

mjmbond

Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump

Quote:
Originally Posted by mjmbond
It make perfect sense if you appreciate, as I have said, that the problem was intermittent. Are you suggesting that I lied to go through the hassle of returning a perfectly good unit for another?
I am not saying that you are lying or that you just wanted a replacement unit. I have better things to do with my free time then to insinuate this.

The purpose of my posts is to isolate as much as possible the cause of these purported errors. As we have determined it can't be a compatibility issue, as both Kal and I have DTC-9.8 units and have not had issues. We can't rule out the possibility of it being hardware related (as your unit is not exhibiting anymore problems). But the fact that your first unit is not giving OPPO problems eliminates the direct link to hardware defects at this current stage of testing.

So this leads me to media compatibility, as it is possible that something within the media used can be causing the issue. OPPO may not be using media which can introduce the problem. This is analogous to the DV-980H and CD track truncation. You can't presume anything.

As a matter of diagnostic we are trying to weed out the problem. This is why I always mention using new cables, bypassing the receiver, or changing output resolutions. You can't pre-assume anything.

Quote:
If my replacement 983 continues to work w/o dropouts, then I will have found the root of my problem: the first 983.
No, this thinking does not help isolate the problem. If your first unit was indeed hardware defective, then OPPO should be able to reproduce the problem. If there is no reproduction of the problem, then there is some other factor which is prohibit OPPO from experiencing the same errors as you. Without knowing this factor, and just saying your first unit was defective, is poisonous, as it does not help OPPO resolve issues which may be inherent to the design or other integration of the DV-983H.

Quote:
I hope that reports of dropouts go away. Do you think they are about to?
Am I here to squash the reports; to sweep them under the rug? No. I am here to help fine tune the diagnostics to determine exactly what is causing the issue.

Quote:
Well, I'm sorry to be part of the quagmire. Perhaps I should have just lived with the audio and video dropouts associated with my brand new DVD player and kept my bad experience to myself.
Once again, did I ever once say that you should have lived with the problem? My statements are a rebuttal of a rebuttal. Just because "a" exists does not mean that "b" exists. That is, with OPPO having your exact player back at their office, and this player not producing errors, then you can't define your original unit as defective. Purpose of discourse is synthesis; we are here to synthesize the cause of the these problems.

Quote:
Neuromancer, your assistance to Oppo users has been invaluable. However, your tendency to shoot the messenger of "bad" news relating to their products is not serving anyone well.
I am not shooting the messenger. I am offering more comprehensive diagnostics. If hardware (your unit) is not reproducing artifacts on OPPOs setup, then there is another factor which we need to explore. Right now we are exploring media, as several users have stated tendencies for some media to be more problematic than others. Why is it the concert DVDs are causing more errors then Film contents? Why are PAL more problematic than NTSC? We need to properly explore all possibilities.

My harshness is more aimed at your immediate discouragement that the problem is media related. You don't begin a statement with "My situation refutes your premise" without being aligned against a different approach.

Neuromancer

Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump

Summation: Let's give OPPO the best date we can give them. It can't hurt to tell them what DVD-Video titles you have attempted to playback that produced audio and video synchronization errors.

Neuromancer

Official OPPO DV 983H w ABT VRS FAQ Dump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer
I am not saying that you are lying or that you just wanted a replacement unit. I have better things to do with my free time then to insinuate this.
I have no interest in how you spend your free time, only about what you have said. Your inference about what makes "sense" about my situation was an insult to me, but I doubt that you'll understand why.

Quote:
The purpose of my posts is to isolate as much as possible the cause of these purported errors. As we have determined it can't be a compatibility issue, as both Kal and I have DTC-9.8 units and have not had issues. We can't rule out the possibility of it being hardware related (as your unit is not exhibiting anymore problems). But the fact that your first unit is not giving OPPO problems eliminates the direct link to hardware defects at this current stage of testing.
Your deductive reasoning does not serve your self stated purpose of isolating the cause of the real problems. You continue to draw conclusions based on Oppo's inability to reproduce my dropouts thus far, and you do so though I have stated that the problems were intermittent.

Quote:
So this leads me to media compatibility, as it is possible that something within the media used can be causing the issue. OPPO may not be using media which can introduce the problem. This is analogous to the DV-980H and CD track truncation. You can't presume anything.
You have led yourself to media compatibility, not the facts. No, it is not analogous to the CD truncation. That problem is reliably replicable. As I am compelled to state again, the very same media that gave the 983 fits one day played fine the next. If you can't explain why this would occur with the same media, then stop positing that hypothesis.

Quote:
As a matter of diagnostic we are trying to weed out the problem. This is why I always mention using new cables, bypassing the receiver, or changing output resolutions. You can't pre-assume anything.
Finally, some sound deductive reasoning.

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No, this thinking does not help isolate the problem. If your first unit was indeed hardware defective, then OPPO should be able to reproduce the problem. If there is no reproduction of the problem, then there is some other factor which is prohibit OPPO from experiencing the same errors as you. Without knowing this factor, and just saying your first unit was defective, is poisonous, as it does not help OPPO resolve issues which may be inherent to the design or other integration of the DV-983H.
My stating that my first unit had dropouts and that my second unit (thus far), has none is "poisonous?" Who do you think you are to attempt to arbitrate the terms of deduction, discussion and discourse?! No, it is your apparent supposition that if anecdotes reported here don't make "sense" to you or that Oppo has not experienced dropouts on a unit with which I did that you are entitled to draw conclusions of your own, which often attempt to invalidate the experiences of others, often in a derogatory way. That has little to do with your stated goal here. Perhaps the "factor" prohibiting Oppo form experiencing intermittent dropouts is simply time.

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Am I here to squash the reports; to sweep them under the rug? No. I am here to help fine tune the diagnostics to determine exactly what is causing the issue.
Then open your mind to the possibility that your "fine tuning" maybe hurting the process, at least in this case.

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Once again, did I ever once say that you should have lived with the problem?
What does sarcasm sound like as it sails above you head?

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My statements are a rebuttal of a rebuttal. Just because "a" exists does not mean that "b" exists. That is, with OPPO having your exact player back at their office, and this player not producing errors, then you can't define your original unit as defective. Purpose of discourse is synthesis; we are here to synthesize the cause of the these problems.
I do not need a lecture from you on semantics. You seem completely incapable of appreciating that a unit which gave me dropouts but has shown Oppo none as of yet could still be defective. I don't know either way, and neither do you.

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I am not shooting the messenger. I am offering more comprehensive diagnostics. If hardware (your unit) is not reproducing artifacts on OPPOs setup, then there is another factor which we need to explore. Right now we are exploring media, as several users have stated tendencies for some media to be more problematic than others. Why is it the concert DVDs are causing more errors then Film contents? Why are PAL more problematic than NTSC? We need to properly explore all possibilities.
Then continue to explore the media. In my situation, the dropouts were not replicable with the same media. Something else was causing the dropouts. But I understand that doesn't help you with your comprehensive diagnostics.

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My harshness is more aimed at your immediate discouragement that the problem is media related. You don't begin a statement with "My situation refutes your premise" without being aligned against a different approach.
Spoken from the true master of discouragement. I guess your harshness was earned...

Neuromancer, I'm sure that on balance you'll help more than hurt here in diagnosing the dropouts, but I'm tired of having my experiences filtered by you; I'll continue to work with Oppo directly.

mjmbond

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The thing I don't understand, if the dropouts were caused by media incompatibility, why would changing the output to 720p, or 1080i solve the issue for most?

WilliamZX11

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I will not turn this thread into a pissing match. But I will post one more response:
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What does sarcasm sound like as it sails above you head?
I am here to help you and everyone else on the forums. If you want to alienate me, do it in PMs. This is a place for discourse and discussion. Sarcasm is not necessary nor is it called for.

Neuromancer

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The thing I don't understand, if the dropouts were caused by media incompatibility, why would changing the output to 720p, or 1080i solve the issue for most?
This can relate completely to a decoding and transmission problem which is a part of the media compatibility. The higher the resolution, the higher the bandwidth for both audio and video. Presuppose that the Dolby Digital 5.1 encoding on the disc is causing a buffering, memory leak, or a general decoding and transmission error. This error then becomes a part of the HDMI transmission (remember, audio and video are part of the same signal with HDMI). At the higher resolution this may cause visual manifestations (video dropouts) or loss of the audio signal (audio dropout) as there is more data in the signal to cause data mixups.

At a lower resolution the bandwidth is smaller, so the tolerances for the errors may be tighter or ignored completely.

You can take the same example but for video instead of audio. At 1080p your bandwidth is twice as much as 1080i. Suppose a sequence of cadences causes a scaling error with the ABT-1018, which results in a corrupt signal when the solution tries to scale to 1080p. The corruption leads to a video drop. On most receiving equipment, if the video drops, the audio will drop as well when using HDMI.

This is why I am now asking if the errors occur on specific media and if changing the audio tracks had any effect on the performance of the player. If we find that the errors are more frequent (or only occur, even on a random basis) with select media, we can further isolate what is the causing the error. Isolation can result in a simple software solution (see: Pioneer Elite receivers and 1080p audio drops), to something as drastic as hardware replacement.

Neuromancer

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1) The same media had problems one minute and played fine the next.
Did you find that some media had no problems at all with your previous DVD player? Your first DVD player may not have had issues on a completely random basis.

It is random in the sense that it may or may not happen with a disc (time, heat, and other factor considerations); it may not be random in the sense that specific discs cause the issue, while others are immune.

Neuromancer

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Perhaps the "factor" prohibiting Oppo form experiencing intermittent dropouts is simply time.
While there may have been a number of variables affecting your intermittent dropouts, the one variable proven to affect it, is bandwidth. The problem only exists at 1080p. The problem also seems to show up more often with certain material. That's no surprise, because every disk has a different audio and video bit-rate... and the combined bit-rate at the output (bandwidth) is highly variable, even spiky in nature. Therefore, the likelihood of dropouts would be higher during the spikes on a high bit-rate disk, or on a disk with particularly challenging material.
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...the very same media that gave the 983 fits one day played fine the next.
That's where other, more subtle (and changing) variables at your local installation, like electrical noise, temperature, humidity, etc, can push the electrical tolerances of your equipment one way or another, and increase or decrease the chances of susceptibility to bandwidth-related errors.

So, perhaps the "factor" prohibiting Oppo from experiencing intermittent dropouts is time AND media.

Gary

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When I asked OPPO about this many moons ago they said that 88.2KHz sampling was the nominal specification for SACD DSD->PCM conversions for DVD hardware.
That's unfortunate...I didn't realize that not passing DSD created such a tremendous loss in sampling rate. It's also unfortunate that they don't use 176.4kHz. I know that my receiver and many others would be able to handle such resolution just fine.

Does using the analog outs on the 983 also give only 88.2 resolution?

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Did you at any time press the Audio button to change the SACD layer selection? Pressing the Audio button will change the SACD Priority option as well.

Try pressing the Audio button to select Multi-Channel. Turn Off the player then turn it back on. Does the disc still play as Stereo or is not Multi-Channel?
After confirming my SACD priority was set to Multi-Channel and turning off the player entirely, the Mahler SACD correctly picked up the Multi-Channel layer and autoplayed it. I will do further testing with my Boston SACD (which is only stereo) to see if the 983 will correctly pick up the Multi-Channel layer after playing a Stereo-only SACD.

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Set the player to 5.1. 5.1 will playback the source as it was originally encoded. So if it is Stereo, only the Left and Right channels will be active.
Thank you for that information. Does the 983 not pass DTS ES 6.1? I have a DVD-A disc which contains a 5.1 DVD-A mix, as well as a 6.1 DTS ES mix, but selecting the DTS ES version only sent 5.1 PCM to my receiver - even when setting the "Down-Mix" option to 7.1. Why would it not send the raw bitstream over HDMI? (HDMI Audio set to Auto)

For reference (so someone doesn't say the DVD-A track is better anyways), both the 5.1 DVD-A track and the 6.1 DTS-ES are 48kHz, 24 bit.

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I too have had problems with video drop-outs with my 983. I've switched cables to no avail. I connect the 983 to a Denon 3808 AVR.

For me, it happens more frequently on PAL material than NTSC material.
I just received a new 983 from the second charge that will be connected to my Denon 3808 AVR using HDMI / 1080p. Since I'm living in germany most of my DVDs are PAL. Thus I have a great chance to reproduce the drop-out problems if my configuration is affected. Currently the system isn't configured since I'm quite busy.

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Well I can elimate my overheating theory as I played a dvd from cold last night with the player well ventilated and the dropouts started straight away.

Tonight I'm going to hook the 983 upto my 1080p Samsung LCD and see if I experience any dropouts, at least that may point the problem in a certain direction, ie maybe a HDCP problem between the 983 and my Pioneer Plasma.

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Now I feel vindicated. I was one of the first to receive the new 983 and report dropout problems. It is obvious that there is something wrong with this unit but reporting it on this forum got the betas on me like ducks on a june bug I have no idea what is causing it, perhaps faulty hdmi boards or whatever. Hopefully Oppo will get it fixed soon so I can get another one.

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(Bizarrely, echoing what I mentioned in post 1441), I followed the advice of changing the colour space setting last night and got the following...

Mine was set as the default of Auto, but when I swapped it to RGB TV, it was dropping out constantly and couldn't display the image for more than a fraction of a second, which seemed odd. I switched to the other settings and Auto and then went back to RGB TV and it was OK. I only played around for another 15 minutes, but I'd changed it back to Auto and didn't experience any dropouts. I'll try and start fresh tonight and test it for longer.

Anyone know why the RGB TV setting should cause it to freak out so much the first time it's chosen, but then be OK?


Re: Neuromancer. Anyone with a foot in the official door is more than useful, so I appreciate your involvement.

Mark or me?

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Slightly OT, but still as help:

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...panasonic AE100 which is a 720p projector.
I take it you mean AX100. The ol' AE100 (used to have one) was 480.

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This was running the oppo at 1080p (yes I know that's illogical given the projector resolution limits but to my eyes it looks better and I know from running blu ray through it that it hiccups by occassional purple lines that flicker and then go away, so it was not the projector that was getting throttled.
The purple flash of the AX100 when running 1080p via HDMI is a well known issue with that projector. Your AX100 needs a firmware upgrade. I used to have it on mine, but with the latest firmware all flashes are gone.

Back on topic...

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I meant to mention earlier that when testing to see if running too hot was the problem for my dropouts I had the sound coming thru the TV via HDMI rather than the amp via Coaxial and the sound was dropping out also which I don't get normally thru the amp.

So it looks like I'm getting picture and sound dropouts thru HDMI, is this a common issue?

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While there may have been a number of variables affecting your intermittent dropouts, the one proven variable, is bandwidth. The problem only exists at 1080p. The problem also seems to show up more often with certain material. That's no surprise, because every disk has a different audio and video bit-rate... and the combined bit-rate at the output (bandwidth) is highly variable, even spiky in nature. Therefore, the likelihood of dropouts would be higher during the spikes on a high bit-rate disk, or on a disk with particularly challenging material.
That's where other, more subtle (and changing) variables at your local installation, like electrical noise, temperature, humidity, etc, can push the electrical tolerances of your equipment one way or another, and increase or decrease the chances of susceptibility to bandwidth-related errors.

So, perhaps the "factor" prohibiting Oppo from experiencing intermittent dropouts is time AND media.

Gary
I (fortunately) am not having any problems at all with my Oppo 983H, but I can comment on the truth of what is said above. Some time ago I did have problems with video dropouts (before I even bought the Oppp) but these were from all my sources. Interestingly, if I changed down to 1080i from 1080p the dropouts would disappear. As soon as I changed back to 1080p they would reappear. The problem in the end turned out to be a faulty HDMI cable - it seemed able to pass the bandwidth of 1080i without problems but could not handle the increased bandwidth needs of 1080p. Changing the cable solved the problem.

I know this doesn't directly help with the Oppo 983H dropout issues being reported here and for the sake of the guys who are experiencing problems, I hope it's soon sorted - but my experience does show directly that it van be a bandwidth issue 'overloading' something along the signal chain.

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So it looks like I'm getting picture and sound dropouts thru HDMI, is this a common issue?
Yes, HDMI dropouts are for both audio and video.

I hate to comment on the issue without certain data, and just as Oppo has a hard time replicating the problem, so do I.

It seems to me:

Heat related: no.

Color space related: no.

Cable and connection related: not in this case. I've tried two cables, HDMI and HDMI-DVI and wiggle the connectors fiercely while testing.

Bandwith related: yes, happens only at 1080p.

Hardware component variation: don't know. That would explain why some units have it and others not.

Media or programming related: maybe.

I found a spot on LOST season 2 last night which seemed to give a consistent dropout.. I could even see the dropout during fast forward and reverse. If I stopped playback at that point the logo screen would shimmer and show static.

Then power off and try again: no more dropout at that point. Went to bed.

This experiment put the machine into a "state" where dropouts started happening continually. Power off cleared that state.

HDMI is hard to debug because an A/V system is not like a deterministic computer program where every event is exactly the same every time. The video signal comes from a spinning disc and is going to be different every time; the display responds to handshakes by it's own schedule. So timing is everything and some timing events must sometimes be revealing a flaw not otherwise seen, which may in fact be intertwined with factors I discounted above: heat, cables, etc.

-Bill

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Does the 983 not pass DTS ES 6.1? I have a DVD-A disc which contains a 5.1 DVD-A mix, as well as a 6.1 DTS ES mix, but selecting the DTS ES version only sent 5.1 PCM to my receiver - even when setting the "Down-Mix" option to 7.1. Why would it not send the raw bitstream over HDMI? (HDMI Audio set to Auto)
The 983H cannot internally decode DTS-ES Discrete, all it can do is the basic DTS 5.1. Having said that, though, setting HDMI Audio to Auto should allow DTS tracks to be output over HDMI as bitstreams. The bigger problem is probably the fact that it's a DVD-Audio disc: I've used discs that include both DVD-Audio MLP tracks and DTS tracks on the same side (Blue Man Group's "The Complex" comes to mind) and have found that many DVD-A players will not select the DTS track if the player is set to use DVD-A. I'm pretty sure that my Yamaha S1500 was this way. It's sort of a guess, but just in case this is the problem, you might try setting the "DVD-Audio Mode" on the 983H (general setup menu) to "DVD-Video" and trying again.

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Now I feel vindicated. I was one of the first to receive the new 983 and report dropout problems. It is obvious that there is something wrong with this unit but reporting it on this forum got the betas on me like ducks on a june bug I have no idea what is causing it, perhaps faulty hdmi boards or whatever. Hopefully Oppo will get it fixed soon so I can get another one.
It is not obvious to me that "there is something wrong with this unit." There may have been something wrong with your unit.

I would like to note for those reading this thread and possibly considering purchasing a 983 that I have no dropouts, no colorspace problems, no overheating problems, no problems at all with my 983 playing NTSC and PAL Region 2 DVDs (with the exception of a minor aspect ratio glitch when using Auto and playing 4:3 Region 2 DVDs easily corrected with a press of the INFO button).

Let's not generalize from very small samples. Those of us who read the 981 thread may recall a long exchange of early posts from a fellow in Norway who was convinced that the 981 had "green push." That was because he apparently had green push on his expensive Panasonic plasma display. He didn't want to calibrate his display because he was convinced it was a problem with the 981. And support from Panasonic was nonexistent. So he elected to pound on the OPPO 981. He made such a stink about it that new posters began to ask if the 981 "known green push problem" had been fixed. Meanwhile, I didn't have any "green push" nor did lots of others either, based on the lack of "me too" posts. His wasn't a very constructive approach to problem-solving, IMHO.

This is not to say that the 983 is perfect. Nothing is perfect. There undoubtedly will be 983s that will exhibit idiosyncrasies. There may be component failures. (The Apple eMac is still plagued with a batch of bad capacitors for which Apple has extended its warranty although Apple didn't make the capacitors. But, not all eMacs are affected. And the machine remains widely in use in schools.)

That's why these probing questions asked by Neuromancer, Gary and others are so valuable. They are trying to identify the causal variables among the many that aren't. For those familar with the Pareto's Principle aka the 80-20 Rule, this is a classic exercise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

This process is not personal. There is no blame; there is no vindication. There are simply facts to be gathered. And assistance offered in the process.

Dana

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I post my contribution to the A/V dropouts issue.
I own a 983 (one of the first, sn VD0803702176 v.2.13) usually set at 1080p to feed a Sanyo Z4 through Oppo HDMI cable, then Oppo HM-31 HDMI switch and then 10m Atlona Ultra series HDMI cable.
I've not experienced any video dropout (audio via coaxial) in over a month I own it, with pressed PAL R2 DVDs and DVD-R5 (usually Verbatim 16X recorded at max 2x) as well.

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I was just going to pull the trigger on one of these, guess I'll wait until I see how all with the dropout problem make out. Has Oppo even acknowlegded that there is a problem?

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It is not obvious to me that "there is something wrong with this unit." There may have been something wrong with your unit.

I would like to note for those reading this thread and possibly considering purchasing a 983 that I have no dropouts, no colorspace problems, no overheating problems, no problems at all with my 983 playing NTSC and PAL Region 2 DVDs (with the exception of a minor aspect ratio glitch when using Auto and playing 4:3 Region 2 DVDs easily corrected with a press of the INFO button).

Dana
Same here. I am in the UK and use both R1 NTSC and R2 PAL discs and I have had NO problems of ANY kind with my Oppo 983H. Whatever is causing these problems others are having, it's not something simple that is easily replicated or discovered.

People come onto forums usually because they have problems. Not very many people seek out help from the forums when everything is working fine, so you rarely see posts that say 'hey guess what - I have bought XYZ and it is working just fine...". This can therefore give a biased view of the reliablity etc of some equipment. The majority of people who have bought Oppo players will never use a forum in their life and I'd bet that most are 100% happy with their purchase.

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Has Oppo even acknowlegded that there is a problem?
I'm not sure they can acknowledge what can't be reproduced. They could acknowledge getting reports and replacing some units.

-Bill

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Originally Posted by GSB
While there may have been a number of variables affecting your intermittent dropouts, the one proven variable, is bandwidth. The problem only exists at 1080p. The problem also seems to show up more often with certain material. That's no surprise, because every disk has a different audio and video bit-rate... and the combined bit-rate at the output (bandwidth) is highly variable, even spiky in nature. Therefore, the likelihood of dropouts would be higher during the spikes on a high bit-rate disk, or on a disk with particularly challenging material.
That's where other, more subtle (and changing) variables at your local installation, like electrical noise, temperature, humidity, etc, can push the electrical tolerances of your equipment one way or another, and increase or decrease the chances of susceptibility to bandwidth-related errors.

So, perhaps the "factor" prohibiting Oppo from experiencing intermittent dropouts is time AND media.

Gary
Based on my experience, I do not I believe media is a factor.

First, with my original 983, the exact same discs played fine at one moment, then had problems the next, only to play fine on another attempt. (You can read my previous post on the trouble shooting I attempted at that time.)

Second, I have not had a dropout on the replacement 983 (yet) using the same discs, same bit rates, same bandwidth, same location, cable, electrical noise, temperature, humidity, etc.

It's possible I'm tempting fate here and that the replacement unit is about to explode, but one thing I know for sure is that 983 #1, dropouts, 983 #2, no dropouts (yet).

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Hello. I just received my Oppo 983 and set it up. I am using an old TV which does not even accept progressive scan (I can hear the groans already) so the Oppo is connected using component cables. No HDMI here. I am straight 480i. I have the latest firmware. However there is a strange issue with the player.

I set up and calibrated the player for a TV type of 4:3 letterbox etc. Standard stuff. I put in my first DVD (the new beowulf) and I see that everything is stretched vertically. So I tried another DVD (I am legend). Same thing. Then I tried the Bee Movie DVD and it was full screen (even though its anamorphic widescreen material).

After an hour checking and changing settings in the menus, I discovered that the player DOES NOT keep my TV type setting. It likes to go back to the default of 16:9. Could be 16:9/auto.

Even when I just stop the movie and then resume the TV type goes back to 16:9. My setting is lost.

I checked the DVD info screen and it correctly says 16:9 material but looking at the video window on top of the DVD info screen it is pillarboxed not the correct 16:9 aspect ratio. It is stretched vertically.

The only way I can correct this issue is to select the TV type of 4:3 letterbox as I am watching the movie. Then it goes back to its correct aspect ratio and everything looks normal. When I check the DVD info screen the video window on top is also the correct aspect ratio 16:9 (no pillarboxing).

The strange thing is it says its 4:3 letterbox even though it is clearly on a 16:9 setting. I have to select 16:9 then reselect 4:3 letterbox.

Is there a way to have the player keep my TV type setting even after stopping and resuming a movie??

Is this a defect??

I have an old Sony that keeps my TV type settings just fine even after power cycles so I thought this is kind of wierd for a player of this calibre.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Got mine this morning, FedEx delivered it just as I was leaving for work. I did have time to pull it out of the box and take a look. It has a scrape in the finish on the front lower edge of the unit. This is not shipping damage, as the box was in perfect condition, and the unit is wrapped in a cloth bag. Oppo definitely needs to work on quality control. This is unacceptable on a $400 unit, and will destroy the re-sale value.

So this unit is going to be returned, and there are no replacements available, so I will probably not get another, as I have already been without a player for weeks, and I need a replacement now. But I will still hook it up this evening, and see if I have any issues with audio or video dropouts. It will be connected to an Onkyo PR-SC885, and from there to a 42" Toshiba LCD.

WilliamZX11

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My 983 has studdered on a couple of clean, scratch-free commerical DVDs which were clean...the studdering was also non-repeatable. It sort of raises a question as I've hardly even used the unit that much yet.

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After an hour checking and changing settings in the menus, I discovered that the player DOES NOT keep my TV type setting. It likes to go back to the default of 16:9. Could be 16:9/auto.
Is your Video Out setting under Video Preference set to Component or HDMI? Is HDMI connected at all to the DVD player?

Have you attempted to re-install the firmware and try the player again. I have never set the player to 4:3/LB or 4:3/PN, but I know for a fact 16:9 Wide and 16:9/Auto will be remembered correctly.

Neuromancer

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Just curious, why isn't the Oppo 983 offered on Amazon? Or when will it be offered on Amazon?

Possibly when or if the drop-out problem is fixed?
I believe it's just a matter of supply and demand at this point, Oppo seems to have their hands full with all of the direct orders.

The report of dropout problems on this thread does make me wonder what is happening with all of the 983s out in the general public. Just how wide spread is this problem.

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Well after all my drop out problems across 2 different screens I've decided to return the player to CRT Projectors and they are going to test it to see if I have a faulty player rather than it being problem across all the players.

I'm kind hoping there is a batch of faulty players that can be replaced with a different batch and the problems will be resolved rather than Oppo having to try and find a cure and fix it by firmware as there just seems to be so many different variants on the go here, attributing it to a faulty component may be an easier fix.
I got one in the first release (at the preorder price) from CRT Projectors and mine is 100% OK - no dropouts from the HDMI video at all (I use coax for the 5.1 as I have run out of HDMI inputs on my Onkyo for the moment).

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I got one in the first release (at the preorder price) from CRT Projectors and mine is 100% OK - no dropouts from the HDMI video at all (I use coax for the 5.1 as I have run out of HDMI inputs on my Onkyo for the moment).
When did yours arrive? I'm currently testing one from the batch released the second week of April but haven't gotten to trying it with 1080p. There are some bugs playing UK PAL discs on an 1080i screen, but those appear to be firmware related.

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Just curious, why isn't the Oppo 983 offered on Amazon? Or when will it be offered on Amazon?

Possibly when or if the drop-out problem is fixed?
Probably never. The margins for Amazon.com are too small for an expensive item such as this. Add to the fact that Amazon.com purchases may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, you risk having a lot of product returned due to expectations being too high.

Neuromancer

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The report of dropout problems on this thread does make me wonder what is happening with all of the 983s out in the general public. Just how wide spread is this problem.
Look at it this way. The DV-983H is geared towards people who are video/audiophiles. Most of these people are members of forums, such as AVS. If you are only seeing a small fraction of the users complain about dropouts, then only a small percentage of units are at least "verified" to have problems.

It is not epidemic.

Neuromancer

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Good to hear! I am loving my modded 983. The transport can be a little noisy at start-up and when searching. I have had absolutely no problems with my unit since receiving it last saturday. It has been in use constantly since then.
May I ask who did your mods? Impressions?

bearchan

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Probably never. The margins for Amazon.com are too small for an expensive item such as this. Add to the fact that Amazon.com purchases may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, you risk having a lot of product returned due to expectations being too high.
That may be the case now, but the question on Amazon probably comes from the fact that they used to carry the 970, 980, and 981...and I think there were some HDMI switches on there too. The 983 may be the exception.

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If I was OPPO I would not be selling these players to Amazon.com.

Neuromancer

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Probably never. The margins for Amazon.com are too small for an expensive item such as this. Add to the fact that Amazon.com purchases may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, you risk having a lot of product returned due to expectations being too high.
I like ordering through Amazon because of the protection but also because of the free shipping. All of Oppo's previous units have sold or are listed on Amazon.

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Good to hear! I am loving my modded 983. The transport can be a little noisy at start-up and when searching. I have had absolutely no problems with my unit since receiving it last saturday. It has been in use constantly since then.
My question is, did you have drop-out issues with yours before it was modded? and do you still have the issues? What did the Mods improve or make better?

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I did a test like this last night. Once my video dropouts started, I kept returning to the same timecode in playback, each time cycling the Colorspace.

The dropout occurred on the Auto setting, which was choosing YCbCr according to my AVR's HDMI status screen.
I ran into an unrelated issue with the color space setting where the oppo was automatically selecting YCbCr. That is Auto and YCbCr produced the same output. When using either mode I lost blacker than black detail on my display, so I chose RGB Video manually and fixed it. I happen to connect the oppo directly to my Sharp LCD via the included HDMI cable. The audio is fed to my Pioneer VSX-1014 receiver using a coaxial lead. I haven't experienced any dropouts, but my LCD is an older model and only supports up to 1080i. I normally run it at 720p which is closer to its native resolution.

I know Neuromancer already brought this up earlier in the thread, but I wanted to note one case where the display's age was a factor in how the 983H configured certain automated settings. Some options may require a little bit of tinkering by the end user.

~ david

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When did yours arrive? I'm currently testing one from the batch released the second week of April but haven't gotten to trying it with 1080p. There are some bugs playing UK PAL discs on an 1080i screen, but those appear to be firmware related.
Mine arrived 15th or 16th April. Serial number is 2790024641 if you want to compare it with yours. I'm using it 1080p direct into HDMI 2 of my screen with the audio going via coax to my AVR. I haven't tried it at any other resolution than 1080p but I have a mixture of PAL R2 and NTSC R1 discs and every one plays with no problems of any kind. I am running the latest firmware as installed by CRT before despatch. TV type is set to AUTO. I am still totally in awe of the PQ on every disc I have watched since getting it. It's a shame that people seem to be having so many problems with these dropouts. I have no idea why mine should play perfectly but I sure am glad it does! Oh yeah, one final thing, I am using a high quality HDMI cable - can't recall the name, not the Oppo one that came with the unit (only because the spare cable was pre-installed in my setup - the Oppo one looks pretty good to me too).

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Is it possible Oppo underestimated the demand for the DV-983H and rushed their supplier who in turn became rushed and subsequently released faulty players? We all know the consequence of trying to meet a deadline and making stupid mistakes, the proverbial chain is only as strong as its weakest link and that link could be anywhere down the line from the parts sub contractors which could be from the Asian Pacific rim all the way to the assembly plant wherever that is to the workers that actually put the parts together to Oppo and out to distributors and finally consumers.

I wouldn't want to be in this business if you gave it to me, too many people handling a delicate electronic component and God only knows who screwed up. If you think about it, it's amazing so many products function as advertised, just look at the problems forum members are having with the new Denon 3800 $2000.00 bluray player. I rest my case.

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Is it possible Oppo underestimated the demand for the DV-983H and rushed their supplier who in turn became rushed and subsequently released faulty players?
No, if they rushed the player they would not be shipping their product in one month blocks.

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I think that Oppo did an excellent overall job with this player despite some inevitable early bugs.

I think we should all be indebted to the beta testers and the early adopters on this thread who have been helping Oppo to shake out the bugs.

Having said that, and being too busy at work to become an early adopter (really, I am not being lazy, just crazy busy), I am hesitant to order the player until the major bugs have been fixed.

I *will* buy one, but probably between 6 months to a year from now. Hopefully by then Oppo will shake out most of the bugs (and there will be inventory!).

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I ran into an unrelated issue with the color space setting where the oppo was automatically selecting YCbCr. That is Auto and YCbCr produced the same output. When using either mode I lost blacker than black detail on my display, so I chose RGB Video manually and fixed it.
The "AUTO" colorspace setting is designed to select YCbCr if the display accepts it, and RGB if it does not. Some of the first HDMI devices had trouble with YCbCr not passing Blacker-than-Black.

Gary

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May I ask who did your mods? Impressions?
I bought my 983 direct from ASi Tek, they did the mods. The 983 is fantastic! Dougs work is very well done, it looks oem. They give a 1 year warranty on their products.

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My question is, did you have drop-out issues with yours before it was modded? and do you still have the issues? What did the Mods improve or make better?
I bought my 983 direct from ASi Tek and they tested every unit before doing the mods. I was told that in their shipment two units had problems and were returned for replacement. The remaining units appeared to have no problems so they went ahead with the mods. I have had no dropout or any other problem with this player. Maybe I am just lucky,time will tell.

I use my 983s stereo analog audio output to my 2 channel setup so I was most interested in getting the best audio possible. I wanted to be able to use one player for all of my media and the 983 does just that. I will be comparing it to a stock unit this Sunday but mine sounds fantastic. I really couldn't be any happier.

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I haven't tried it at any other resolution than 1080p but I have a mixture of PAL R2 and NTSC R1 discs and every one plays with no problems of any kind. I am running the latest firmware as installed by CRT before despatch. TV type is set to AUTO. I am still totally in awe of the PQ on every disc I have watched since getting it.
Same here. I have used 3 of these players (2 beta models and a production model), feeding 1080p to a Sony 1080p LCD, with different cables, and I have also connected it through the OPPO HM-31 switch. I have played countless PAL R2 and NTSC R1 disks, including Superbit DTS versions and some particularly nasty/challenging disks. I have switched the colorspace and other settings, and never seen a single dropout with any of these 3 players.

OPPO is working really hard to find the cause of this maddeningly intermittent fault. They have succeeded in their efforts to find and fix frustrating issues in past... and they will succeed again. Keep the faith people... its worth it!

Gary

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I bought my 983 direct from ASi Tek and they tested every unit before doing the mods. I was told that in their shipment two units had problems and were returned for replacement. The remaining units appeared to have no problems so they went ahead with the mods.
Did ASi Tek say what the problems were?

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Did ASi Tek say what the problems were?
From what they said I took it to be the same dropout problem being discussed. I am very glad I bought my 983 from a company that thoroughly tests all of the players they get before and after their work is done.

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Same here. I have used 3 of these players (2 beta models and a production model), feeding 1080p to a Sony 1080p LCD, with different cables, and I have also connected it through the OPPO HM-31 switch. I have played countless PAL R2 and NTSC R1 disks, including Superbit DTS versions and some particularly nasty/challenging disks. I have switched the colorspace and other settings, and never seen a single dropout with any of these 3 players.

OPPO is working really hard to find the cause of this maddeningly intermittent fault. They have succeeded in their efforts to find and fix frustrating issues in past... and they will succeed again. Keep the faith people... its worth it!

Gary
It sure is. I watched I Robot again tonight and I have never seen it look so good. The image is so filmlike too. In fact, since getting the 983 I have watched more SD DVDs than HD - and this is despite having a Toshiba A35 and a Panasonic DM10A. This is such good news for me because I have hundreds of SD discs (like most people on here probably) and the 983 has given them all a new lease of life. I just can't believe how good they look.

Keith

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It sure is. I watched I Robot again tonight and I have never seen it look so good. The image is so filmlike too. In fact, since getting the 983 I have watched more SD DVDs than HD - and this is despite having a Toshiba A35 and a Panasonic DM10A. This is such good news for me because I have hundreds of SD discs (like most people on here probably) and the 983 has given them all a new lease of life. I just can't believe how good they look.

Keith

Man that is fantastic to hear! I have 600 movie and concert SD DVDs and will be picking this up in the near future to go with my 9G Pioneer when they are released. I don't want to double dip and many won't ever be released on BD, or will be a long time coming.

John

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I would probably buy this player if it wasn't for the dropouts some users are experiencing. Still I don't know how widespread this problem actually is. But I don't want to be playing roulette when buying something. But then again, you have at least 14 days to return it, so I guess you could order it, test it thoroughly and just send it back if dropouts are a problem?

The 983 sells for €388 or about $588 here in Europe, you can get the ps3 for about $670. That's my other option, but 983 seem to be superior to the ps3, and I think I'm quite picky with PQ. I've watched just a couple of DVD's upscaled on the ps3, so I can't really give a fair judgment, but they sure looked better than my panny dvd-s52 (which suffered from macro-blocking, that really bothered me). I own about 60 SD-DVD’s (more incoming ) and I really want those to look the best they can. I might buy some blu-ray discs in the future, as I would love to have the sopranos and some other stuff in HD. I would probably buy 3-4 games a year, so I wouldn't use the ps3 for a whole lot of gaming.

Any input?

Also a big thank you to all of the posters contributing to this thread!

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Man that is fantastic to hear! I have 600 movie and concert SD DVDs and will be picking this up in the near future to go with my 9G Pioneer when they are released. I don't want to double dip and many won't ever be released on BD, or will be a long time coming.

John
Exactly my thoughts. I can't stress how good this player makes SD discs look. They are smooth, with excellent contrast and superb colours. Motion artifacts are more or less non-existent - the best I have ever seen during slow camera pans for example. There is a real, almost HD 'pop' on well-mastered DVDs and the best ones really do approach HD quality - they're just lacking that last ounce of detail of course, but from normal viewing distances they are very, very close. Like you I have hundreds of SD discs and was coming around to thinking I'd need to double dip on my favourites if and when they became available - think of the cost of that and the 983 looks like the bargain of the century! But the best thing I can say about this player is that it renders the image in such a 'film-like' way, something that HD doesn't always do IMO (because sometimes it makes movies look like video if you know what I mean). Even when the SD image is a little soft, as it sometimes is, this smooth, film-like quality makes it look fantastic. I just hope they resolve this problem that some people are having with dropouts and so forth - personally my player is 100% OK as you will have guessed and I just want everyone to get theirs to 100% so they can truly appreciate what a fantastic machine this is for anyone with a big SD collection.

Keith

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Originally Posted by zecn

The 983 sells for €388 or about $588 here in Europe, you can get the ps3 for about $670. That's my other option, but 983 seem to be superior to the ps3, and I think I'm quite picky with PQ. I've watched just a couple of DVD's upscaled on the ps3, so I can't really give a fair judgment, but they sure looked better than my panny dvd-s52 (which suffered from macro-blocking, that really bothered me). I own about 60 SD-DVD’s (more incoming ) and I really want those to look the best they can. I might buy some blu-ray discs in the future, as I would love to have the sopranos and some other stuff in HD. I would probably buy 3-4 games a year, so I wouldn't use the ps3 for a whole lot of gaming.

Any input?

Also a big thank you to all of the posters contributing to this thread!
Hi. I am very picky about PQ as well. Over the years I must have owned dozens of different DVD players in the search for the ultimate quality. I have bought players that have cost almost $2000 and players that have cost less than $100 over this time. Lately I have bought a Toshiba A35 and a Panasonic DM10A and I can tell you without fear of contradiction that the 983 just totally blows these players away in terms of rendering SD discs. As soon as I got my 983 and got it set up and adjusted, I got out a dozen of my favourite DVDs - discs that I know really well - and ran them through the Panasonic, then the Toshiba and then the 983, being really careful to look out for all the things that make a picture great (I'm retired so I have time to do this! )

In every case, the 983 made a substantially better job of playing SD DVDs than either of my HD players. And I do read reviews etc where the reviewer says the A35 and the DM10A do a good job of upscaling SD discs. The 983 scores in terms of its 'film-like' presentation, its incredible colour and contrast performance, its lack of artefacts, general picture sharpness and smoothness, skin tone rendering and so on. It wrings the last drop of performance from your SD discs and makes the best of them close to HD quality. I say close because obviously they will never have the resolution of an HD disc and if you compare the same movies side by side this is self-evident. But, HST, the PQ from the 983 is just sensational and I have never seen any of my SD discs look so good.

Obviously I haven't tested every upconverting HD player with SD discs, and I have no personal knowledge at all of the PS3's capabilities in this area. But I can honestly tell you that the 983 blows away both my HD players for SD and I can't really imagine how the PQ could be any better.

HTH.

Keith

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Received mine yesterday and watched about 3 hours on it. Left all settings on default and connected with a 3 ft hdmi cable to my optoma hd65 projector. Got to do some calibration but first impression is very good.
Watched a pal dvd (superb picture and sound quality) and then Forrest Gump -ntsc- (definitly not as clear as the pal dvd). Do pal dvds in general produce sharper pictures or is the quality of the transfer more significant?
No drop outs to report.
With the pj I received also an optimizing dvd from anchor bay but no manual. Anbody here can explain how best to interpret these test patterns?
Will play around with the machine tonight and will report back. Anything I should watch out for especially?

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Received mine yesterday and watched about 3 hours on it. Left all settings on default and connected with a 3 ft hdmi cable to my optoma hd65 projector. Got to do some calibration but first impression is very good.
Watched a pal dvd (superb picture and sound quality) and then Forrest Gump -ntsc- (definitly not as clear as the pal dvd). Do pal dvds in general produce sharper pictures or is the quality of the transfer more significant?
No drop outs to report.
How have you got the TV Type set up? If you're in Europe, you need to set it to AUTO because your screen can do the PAL/NTSC conversion itself. I've not noticed any PQ differences between PAL and NTSC - the transfer is the significant factor not the technology for displaying it IOW.

Keith

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Obviously I haven't tested every upconverting HD player with SD discs, and I have no personal knowledge at all of the PS3's capabilities in this area. But I can honestly tell you that the 983 blows away both my HD players for SD and I can't really imagine how the PQ could be any better.

HTH.

Keith

When I recieved my 983 I did back to back tests against the Toshiba EP35 HD DVD player and the PS3 for Standard Def 1080p dutys and the 983 severly kicks their backsides into touch. when watching the 983 I'm constantly amazed at the picture it can produce, there is so much depth and sharpness to the picture, and the colour reproduction is awesome, it has to be seen to be believed. When the same dvd is watched on either the PS3 or EP35, well it just looks like a dvd, there is no WOW factor, it just looks flat.

I just hope CRT can get my 983 sorted as I'm not sure that any other DVD player can match the 983's performance. They have got a new board comming over from Oppo which they are swapping over early next week, hopefully that will fix the problem, Oppo are then having my old board back to test, hopefully assisting them in fixing the Problem.

Although it's been a load of grief, both CRT (over here in the UK) and Oppo have been great in trying to get to the bottom of the problem.

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Exactly my thoughts. I can't stress how good this player makes SD discs look. They are smooth, with excellent contrast and superb colours. Motion artifacts are more or less non-existent - the best I have ever seen during slow camera pans for example. There is a real, almost HD 'pop' on well-mastered DVDs and the best ones really do approach HD quality - they're just lacking that last ounce of detail of course, but from normal viewing distances they are very, very close. Like you I have hundreds of SD discs and was coming around to thinking I'd need to double dip on my favourites if and when they became available - think of the cost of that and the 983 looks like the bargain of the century! But the best thing I can say about this player is that it renders the image in such a 'film-like' way, something that HD doesn't always do IMO (because sometimes it makes movies look like video if you know what I mean). Even when the SD image is a little soft, as it sometimes is, this smooth, film-like quality makes it look fantastic. I just hope they resolve this problem that some people are having with dropouts and so forth - personally my player is 100% OK as you will have guessed and I just want everyone to get theirs to 100% so they can truly appreciate what a fantastic machine this is for anyone with a big SD collection.

Keith

"There is a real, almost HD 'pop' on well-mastered DVDs and the best ones really do approach HD quality - they're just lacking that last ounce of detail of course, but from normal viewing distances they are very, very close."

As most current movies are very well shot today, and mastered in HD, the SD DVD downconvert is the benificiery of the HD format, compared to the early days of SD. Since my primary theater plasma is/will be a 50" size, the picture quality with the 983 makes a strong financial argument as well ........... pay $5 to $7 for a SD DVD on sale, or spring for $25 to $30 for the BD version. If I had a bigger screen or a projector, this argument isn't as valid, but prices for BD need to drop some for me to adopt it on all new releases, when the 983 is so good.

John

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Hi Blade.

I don't have a Samsung bd-p1200 so I can't give you a direct A-B comparison unfortunately. But I do have the Panasonic BD10A and the Toshiba A35 and I can definitely say the PQ from the 983H is in a different league to either of those when playing SD. I have also had a lot of experience of various upscaling DVD players over the past few years and I can definitely say, again, that the 983H beats all of them that I have tried - including players that have cost around 1000 bucks!

I have *never* seen DVDs look this good (on a 50 inch screen). I have been watching one after another and marvelling at the smoothness, the film-like nature of the image, the colour, the contrast and also the sound, which is also superb. I have seen no artefacts or PQ problems at all on the dozens of DVDs I have watched since getting the player just over a month ago.

Out of the tens of thousands of bucks I have spent on AV gear over the years, the 983 is one of the very best buys I have ever made. For the revitalisation of your SD library, this player is *cheap*. If it was twice the price, I'd still say it was good value because I have several hundred SD DVDs and now I can continue to enjoy them even more than I did in the past. Not to mention being able to snap up the bargains.

If I were you I'd try to get a proper comparison between your Samsung and the 983H so you can see for yourself if the investment is worth it. I'd suspect it was - if the Sammy played SD DVDs as well as the Oppo, I think we'd have heard about it before now!

HTH

Keith
Keith,
I hear ya. I am very close pulling the trigger. The Sammy did score a 96 on the Benchmark, close to OPPO, and it does have an awsome picture. I remember when I 1st got the Sammy, had no Blu-ray disks yet, and I wanted to rewatch all my dvd's again, until Blu came.
I'd love to get a note from KrisDerring since he has worked closely with both. Gotta make sure since I am using a 60" screen but Oppo does sound like they'll reel me in. I appreciate the feedback. I am interested in any product that makes me wanna rewatch all my std dvds.
Blade

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Can you 'teach' the Harmony to learn the pause control from the Oppo remote?

Keith
I dont know. I never had Harmony, but as far I was read about Harmony it seems easier than UR remotes programming.

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Hi guys,

Has anybody retired an s97 for the 983h? If so, are you happy with that move, was it worth it and what are the benefits and diferences between the 2?
Just recently replaced an S97 with a 983H, and I'm quite happy with the purchase. Of course, in my case it was because the Panasonic had locked up completely and had turned into an overpriced doorstop, but that just allowed me to justify an upgrade that I was tempted to make anyway.

Comparing the two, the big improvement was in the area of macroblocking. I generally liked the picture from the Panasonic, but the Faroudja chipset in the S97 never did play nicely with my Sony SXRD display, and the result was noticable macroblocking on a number of movies. With the Oppo, no more macroblocking, and the overall image quality is outstanding.

Hope this helps.

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I've uncovered a minor (yet annoying) issue. I'm using a RF universal remote with a IR blaster, about 5ft away, to control all the AV equipment.

It appears the Oppo's IR receiver is easily overloaded, as I can't get reliable operation with the blaster. If I set the universal remote for IR instead of RF, it works great. I've tried placing the blaster further away - that also seems to help, but then the other equipment does not respond.

Is there some kind of filter I can put in front of the Oppo's detector to attenuate the IR signal?

-Dave
Try cutting a little piece of paper masking tape, you know the inexpensive beige stuff, and putting it between the receiver and emitter.

I know, I thought it sounded like a rinky dink fix too but it worked great on my boxes with a repeater.

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The Hue adjustment is disabled in the projector when you use DVI, but I was happy that the Oppo had this control.
HUE only works for the analog outputs. And even then, the controls are too rough to be of any use to the end user.

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Got my 983 yesterday and had fun trying it out.

I watched Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (uncut version), a non-anamorphic disc which suffers from ICP (interlaced chroma problem). The 983's zoom mode worked great on it, and the auto CUE correction setting perfectly detected and eliminated the ICP.

On the downside, I was not happy to discover how the 983 handles subtitles when zooming non-anamorphic discs. It generates the subtitles first, then zooms, so if the subtitles are below the area that gets zoomed, they get cut off. That is exactly what happens in the Star Wars theatrical versions, which use player-generated subtitles for alien dialog (Greedo in the cantina, Jabba in Return of the Jedi).

Jason One

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Zooming is done through the ABT, which is post decoding and subtitle muxing. In the Beta phase of the player they had adjustable subtitle support, but it didn't work well, so it was scrapped from all current firmware designs.

Neuromancer

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Heard from FedEx that my 983 is waiting at home to be installed, so a question about connections. I'll be connecting the 983 to a Denon AVS-2807; my question is for audio fidelity, should there be any difference between HDMI and analogue connections? I know that I could hook up both ways and listen for any differences, but with my setup it is a huge pain in the neck for me to access the analogue inputs on the 2807; I would have to disconnect the entire unit which I would like to avoid.

From a "theoretical" perspective, would anyone expect there to be a difference? I listen to mostly CD's, but also have a few SACD's and DVD-A's.

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Sure. Using analog, the signals are decoded and converted to analog in the player. Then, the AVR has limited ability to process the signals and cannot apply room EQ. If the AVR does redigitize the signals so that one can use the room EQ, then the burden of redundant conversions is incurred. Stick with HDMI.

Kal Rubinson

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Just what I was looking for, thanks for the response

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Zooming is done through the ABT, which is post decoding and subtitle muxing. In the Beta phase of the player they had adjustable subtitle support, but it didn't work well, so it was scrapped from all current firmware designs.
Do you know if there's any chance they will revisit this in the future?

Jason One

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Do you know if there's any chance they will revisit this in the future?
They said they would research it, but made no promises. The Constant Image Height people need it also.

If it is an important feature for you, you should contact Oppo and cast your vote.

As Neuromancer said, subtitles come from the Mediatek decoder stage, early in the process.

-Bill

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One more thing to mention. I know others mentioned this, but there is a very slight amount more EE built into the 983 compared to the 980. This can be seen on the test patterns, however, I can't say if this affects real life viewing too much as so many DVDs are riddled with EE anyway.
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Don't forget to try the "-1" and "-2" sharpness settings. They make a significant difference. I think "-1" seems to be the best compromise for real-world viewing.
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I've been using -1 and I agree it seems best.
I also agree. From looking at DVE's resolution pattern, setting sharpness to -1 seems to bring my 983's output more in line with my 971 and PS3. I think I'll be sticking to -1 from now on.

Jason One

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They said they would research it, but made no promises. The Constant Image Height people need it also.

If it is an important feature for you, you should contact Oppo and cast your vote.

As Neuromancer said, subtitles come from the Mediatek decoder stage, early in the process.
Thank you. I'll be sure to send them an e-mail.

Jason One

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I have a great picture with my 983, however I'm getting some random horizontal lines under subtitles. I tried setting the Y/C setting +2 and seems to have helped, but not sure this is what I should do. I think I need to run the test disc that came with player and see if I can figure out what to do. I have to use subtitles because of my lack of hearing. Anyone got a clue!

billymerritt

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I received my 983 yesterday and hooked it up this morning. My thanks to Gonk for the helpful notes in his review regarding setup. I had a brief cable glitch that probably had to do with my SonySTRDA5300ES receiver(the connection would intermittently cut out when connecting the OPPO-supplied cable to HDMI IN 1 but the problem was resolved as soon as I plugged the same cable into the receiver's HDMI IN 2). The picture is clearly improved compared to my Panasonic DMR ES40V DVD recorder/VCR recorder(which does it's own interlacing, not up to Anchor Bay's standard). Of course, there is no comparison to Blu Ray(nor would I ever expect it to be comparable to Blu Ray).

What I wasn't prepared for was the marked improvement in the sound quality. The Panasonic doesn't have a speaker setup menu, though I would have expected that to have more of an effect on DVD-Audio and SACD's. Nonetheless, the improvement in the bass output and quality was quite impressive.

Speaking of multi-channel audio, this was my first in-home exposure to DVD-Audio and SACD. The Who's "Tommy"(DVD-Audio) and Peter Gabriel's "So"(SACD) both made for incredible listening experiences. I prefer the music in "Tommy," but the sound quality of "So" (with music not to everyone's taste)was just as amazing. I also listened to Joni Mitchell's HDCD of "Court and Spark." I couldn't honestly compare the HDCD versus the CD sound during my brief listening session since my CD player is a Rega Saturn which is of higher quality (and costs more) than anything else in my HT system(well, it's about equal in price to my 40 inch Sony Bravia XBR5).

I should also point out that the sound via HDMI 1.3a versus multichannel analog was not significant during my early and admittedly quite limited listening session.

All in all, based on initial impressions, I was more than happy with the 983. Given the improvement in picture quality(even with my 40 inch Sony) plus the addition of DVD-Audio, SACD and HDCD capability, it was clearly right up my alley. It did leave me wondering if OPPO will choose to go with the Anchor Bay deinterlacing and upconversion systems when they inevitably come out with a Blu Ray player. I would vote in favor of that choice if they can do it at a competitive price point. Since OPPO reads this forum, I would also take a page from Sony Playstation 3's book by also voting in favor of including a wireless connection and maybe even a hard drive in the OPPO Blu Ray(again, if they can do it at a reasonable price point - I don't expect them to come out with a loss leader product like the PS3). Even with those upgrades, though, a flagship OPPO Blu Ray player could still be brought to the market at a lower price point than some of Denon's offerings.

Well, enough rambling for now. It's time to load in my Super Bit DVD of "The Fifth Element."
- Esau

esimms86

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However, the differences are not dramatic on film. I didn't bother with video material as I watch so little of it.
Thanks for all your comments regarding the 983 vs. 980, David. If it's not too much trouble, please let us know what you think about the differences on video material. Neuromancer pointed out earlier in this thread that the higher improvements would be observed on animation and video-based material.

Regards,

Fernando

FernandoF

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voting in favor of including a wireless connection
Really. Really. Bad. Idea.

You want your neighbor's kid hacking into your DVD player to see what you're watching?

Can you say, Marketing nightmare?

Ethernet port, sure. Run cat 5e patch cord between wireless router and player if you must. But wifi in the player, that's a deal killer for me.

Taylor26

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Really. Really. Bad. Idea.

You want your neighbor's kid hacking into your DVD player to see what you're watching?

Can you say, Marketing nightmare?

Ethernet port, sure. Run cat 5e patch cord between wireless router and player if you must. But wifi in the player, that's a deal killer for me.
LOL, you must watch a lot of porn...

Smarty-pants

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Can you say, Marketing nightmare?
It is more of a technical nightmare. Even an ethernet connection can cause major havoc with people not assigning ports or IP addresses. It is a pain in the ass trying to help people set up their DNS correctly for media devices.

Neuromancer

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Originally Posted by FernandoF
Thanks for all your comments regarding the 983 vs. 980, David. If it's not too much trouble, please let us know what you think about the differences on video material. Neuromancer pointed out earlier in this thread that the higher improvements would be observed on animation and video-based material.

Regards,

Fernando
I'll try to post some video-based material feedback this weekend. I also have some follow-up comments on some more film-based comparisons I want to post.

DavidHir

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Try cutting a little piece of paper masking tape, you know the inexpensive beige stuff, and putting it between the receiver and emitter.

I know, I thought it sounded like a rinky dink fix too but it worked great on my boxes with a repeater.
Just wanted you to know - the idea worked like a champ! But - it took 4 layers of masking tape for it to just to start to work ok.

So, I took black electrical tape and cut a small slit in it. Works like a charm, and the black tape matches up enough with the black 983 such that it's not too obvious.

-Dave

Dbower

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Just wanted you to know - the idea worked like a champ! But - it took 4 layers of masking tape for it to just to start to work ok.

So, I took black electrical tape and cut a small slit in it. Works like a charm, and the black tape matches up enough with the black 983 such that it's not too obvious.

-Dave
Also the electrical tape will come off easily if you ever want it to (if you sell the player for example) whereas the masking tape just gets a firmer and firmer grip the longer you leave it until eventually it's a real pig to remove, if it's possible at all. IME of course - YMMV.

Keith

kbarnes701

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I have a great picture with my 983, however I'm getting some random horizontal lines under subtitles. I tried setting the Y/C setting +2 and seems to have helped, but not sure this is what I should do. I think I need to run the test disc that came with player and see if I can figure out what to do. I have to use subtitles because of my lack of hearing. Anyone got a clue!
Y/C is probably not the adjustment to change for this. It controls the synchronization of the color and b&w video and will degrade image quality if not set correctly. Calibration discs have Y/C test patterns.

Are you seeing subtitle lines frequently? I use subtitles also and from time to time see lines, combing and breakup of the text, but it has been the same for many different players. The mechanism of authoring subtitles on DVD is a bit quirky and I think not entirely robust.

-Bill

wmcclain

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Taylor26, I appreciate your concern but we can, of course, respectfully disagree with each other. We're talking about a DVD player that remembers the last 5 discs that you played. No one would(or could) use this device to make credit card purchases over the internet. Anyway, based on Neuromancer's comments, it looks unlikely that there will be ethernet or wireless connectivity in any future OPPO BR player.
- Esau

esimms86

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I've owned far too many DVD players and was never 100% satisfied with any of them for whatever reasons. Three of those were expensive Denons, two of which failed shortly after installation, while the other was the infamous 5900 with it's unacceptable macroblocking (fortunately I got my money back on all three of those pigs). Up to this point my favorite player was a Pioneer unit which I should have never sold. But, all that aside, the 983 looks to be the end of my quest for a DVD player. The PQ is terrific and so is usability. It's amazing how a $400 unit can deliver top shelf PQ which equals or exceeds any Denon sDVD PQ yet gets so many little things right (like remembering where the last 5 disks were stopped, bookmarks, single button subtitles, personalized screensaver, etc). I wanted Blu Ray with decent/great deinterlacing for sDVD but when the Denon 3800 crapped out halfway thru the first movie I vowed to never again consider anything Denon. I may consider the forthcoming Pioneer BD player but what is now apparent is that I need to wait for an Oppo entry. If they can do DVD this well then they can surely excel with Blu Ray too. Oppo I hope you're already into the design phase of what I'm sure would be a killer BD player!! I'm a sale waiting to happen.

Geof

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Well, my 30day re-turn option has just expired!!
So what- i ain't giving it back! For the last 30 days i have viewed about 12 full movies and peeked at another dozen just to see how they looked. 70 hours(who counts) of music- some times loud. I couldn't be happier. The wife stated after about the 3 movie, the PQ has vastly improved and we could hear the voice and sound effects more accurately (i have always calibrated my gear). very happy. I passed the WAF with flying colors....
** also, i haven't had any drop out or disk issue- but i just play standard DVD, and SACD/dvd-a

DAB

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Can I use hdmi for the video and an optical cable for the audio? (I have an older tuner with no hdmi ports) Would there be any issues with this hookup, like you see mouths moving before the sounds hits you, like a bit of a lag, or anything like that? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

billnopus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbower
Just wanted you to know - the idea worked like a champ! But - it took 4 layers of masking tape for it to just to start to work ok.

So, I took black electrical tape and cut a small slit in it. Works like a charm, and the black tape matches up enough with the black 983 such that it's not too obvious.

-Dave
Sorry, I had forgotten and should have mentioned that I had played with the number of layers to get the best result. Glad you thought of it and it worked.

Harrypt

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Originally Posted by billnopus
Can I use hdmi for the video and an optical cable for the audio? (I have an older tuner with no hdmi ports) Would there be any issues with this hookup, like you see mouths moving before the sounds hits you, like a bit of a lag, or anything like that? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Shouldn't be an issue at all to have HDMI to TV for video only and either Toslink or Coax digital audio to AVR for sound! That's exactly they way I have it setup.

This player seems to have a much more accurate audio/video sync than my old model, but that's not saying much. I've actually had to adapt to seeing it more in sync. The audio delay setting (for fixing A/V sync) in the 983's setup does _not_ affect digital audio output (only analog).

So short answers:

Yes it'll work great
It'll depend on your equipment (If TV rescales the image, AVR has a delay setting wrong/if an option), I'm happy with it on mine.

PS Just realized you were thinking A/V sync issues with different connection paths. never though of that but I do not believe that's where any "out of sync" can/will happen. I always thought (slightly educated guess) that it was an internal DVD player thing, not at all related to connection options or as mentioned the TV rescaling and AVR being wierd.

Beaker1024

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Originally Posted by esimms86
Anyway, based on Neuromancer's comments, it looks unlikely that there will be ethernet or wireless connectivity in any future OPPO BR player.
No, they will need to have Eternet on the back of a BD player for the simple reason that profile 1.2 and 2.0 require this for BD Live functionality.

What becomes an issue is if OPPO will allow for other interactions with the player, and say, a PC for streaming video and audio.

Neuromancer

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Originally Posted by Beaker1024
Shouldn't be an issue at all to have HDMI to TV for video only and either Toslink or Coax digital audio to AVR for sound! That's exactly they way I have it setup.

This player seems to have a much more accurate audio/video sync than my old model, but that's not saying much. I've actually had to adapt to seeing it more in sync. The audio delay setting (for fixing A/V sync) in the 983's setup does _not_ affect digital audio output (only analog).

So short answers:

Yes it'll work great
It'll depend on your equipment (If TV rescales the image, AVR has a delay setting wrong/if an option), I'm happy with it on mine.

PS Just realized you were thinking A/V sync issues with different connection paths. never though of that but I do not believe that's where any "out of sync" can/will happen. I always thought (slightly educated guess) that it was an internal DVD player thing, not at all related to connection options or as mentioned the TV rescaling and AVR being wierd.

Wow, thanks for that detailed answer. Nice to know that it should work out the way I want it. I appreciate the info.

billnopus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geof
I've owned far too many DVD players and was never 100% satisfied with any of them for whatever reasons. Three of those were expensive Denons, two of which failed shortly after installation, while the other was the infamous 5900 with it's unacceptable macroblocking (fortunately I got my money back on all three of those pigs). Up to this point my favorite player was a Pioneer unit which I should have never sold. But, all that aside, the 983 looks to be the end of my quest for a DVD player. The PQ is terrific and so is usability. It's amazing how a $400 unit can deliver top shelf PQ which equals or exceeds any Denon sDVD PQ yet gets so many little things right (like remembering where the last 5 disks were stopped, bookmarks, single button subtitles, personalized screensaver, etc). I wanted Blu Ray with decent/great deinterlacing for sDVD but when the Denon 3800 crapped out halfway thru the first movie I vowed to never again consider anything Denon. I may consider the forthcoming Pioneer BD player but what is now apparent is that I need to wait for an Oppo entry. If they can do DVD this well then they can surely excel with Blu Ray too. Oppo I hope you're already into the design phase of what I'm sure would be a killer BD player!! I'm a sale waiting to happen.
A good reference for those who are curious about how well the OPPO stacks up against the big boys! Thanks for posting.

Gary

GSB

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Upgraded my firmware, and I will echo the statement that that was the EASIEST firmware upgrade I've ever done. From pc's to servers to other dvd players, that was the easiest.

My last player was a Yamaha DVD-S2500, that I replaced with this Oppo 983H. On the Yamaha, after doing the ONE firmware upgrade they released... the player was put into PAL mode. So talk about a nightmare/heart attack.. the upgrade makes the player un-usable.. until you set it to NTSC.. which you have to do blindly, following the directions verbatim... basically re-entering your country code, over a squiggly unreadable screen. THAT is a cautious upgrade.

This was easy. Put the cd in, hit play... it ejects itself.. then you just wait. And done.
NICE NICE NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My only "complaint" is that after doing it, you have to re-enter all of your settings. Of course, this led to me reading the manual to go over them all again.. and realized that I had set it up incorrectly the first time. So actually, I'm glad it wipes the settings back to default, otherwise I'd still be wrong.
What I had done before was left the downmix audio as stereo.. whereas the book clearly states if you do HDMI to a receiver, to set to 5.1 and set speakers to large, etc...
so I did that.. before I just had it all at default.

brianhahne

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Customizable background screen?

While my unit is in the capable hands of FedEX I was skimming through the user manual. I see that the unit has a feature that you can substitute a captured image for the Oppo background screen. (see page 44)

Has anyone tried this out? seems like an opportunity to create a theater specific sign with the name of your theater etc.

BIGmouthinDC

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Customizable background screen?

While my unit is in the capable hands of FedEX I was skimming through the user manual. I see that the unit has a feature that you can substitute a captured image for the Oppo background screen. (see page 44)

Has anyone tried this out? seems like an opportunity to create a theater specific sign with the name of your theater etc.
Of course . You can make it whatever you want. All you have to do is get the image on the screen with a DVD or via USB. Then hit capture on the remote and 'VOILA', your own personalized screen. Now when all your friends and/or family see what you did and say "How did you do that?!?". You can tell them how complicated it is .

Smarty-pants

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC
Customizable background screen?

While my unit is in the capable hands of FedEX I was skimming through the user manual. I see that the unit has a feature that you can substitute a captured image for the Oppo background screen. (see page 44)

Has anyone tried this out? seems like an opportunity to create a theater specific sign with the name of your theater etc.
It works on the 980; I haven't tried it on the 983. I presume it works the same.

-Bill

wmcclain

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quick question can anyone give me an idea about how long till the DV-983H is back in stock? I hoping to buy it as soon as possible. I see that if you buy it from HKFlix.com they will throw in two dvds free which is kool but I going to buy from the first place it becomes available.

PuddNheadPete

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Probably completely sold out. Last I heard they were selling to people who signed up for the E-Mail Notification on a first come, first serve basis. Depending on how much stock they received, how many e-mails and purchases were made, they could be out of stock completely again.

Neuromancer

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Shoot I've signed up to be notified but I hven't heard anything. I'm just hoping they are in stock within a week or two three at most. Oh well thanks for the reply

PuddNheadPete

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