i think this is the most controversial subject ever to be discussed...


whose side are u in ???

science or god????

i am an atheist....

whose line are u in???

definately God and what the hell is wrong with the thread starter lmao at athiest.

God cannot be seen in idols or pictures, its the mistake of humans to depict God in such forms. God cannot be seen, (put it this way, its a mysterious science to explain God).

you cannot estimate the power of God by what the people do.. you should estimate the power of God by what people cannot do...

Science on the other hand is trying to give explanations to everything on earth and beyond, but it misses out in one thing... why we humans think like that... This is called supernatural...

i have not watched matrix....just watched part 1 ....did not like it.....skipped all..., i liked LOTR far more ...in case of trilogy ...

God

where god man? everything is science

^^ I disagree to that.
You can establish the existence of almighty through logic and reasoning as well. I and a few others have already done that in this thread.

GOD IS MAIN COMPUTER AND WE R A COMPONENT AND WORLD NEVER SHUTDOWN ONLY GOD HAVING AUTHORITY TO CHANGE OS OR FORMAT EARTH HARD DISK HE MAKE NEW PROGRAM AND WHEN HE WANTS TO OR CHANGE HE CAN DO VERY EASILY NO BODY CAN STOP HIM OR SCIENCE.


MY VOTE GOES FOR GOD.

I believe that the the whole god thing is xplained very well by the matrix! infact matrix is the scientific explanation of the existence of god

Belief of god and path of science is required for a proper living . One cannot survive with out other . Too much god has created religion "the pure cause of war if wrongly used ". And science "nuclear weapons " a disaster if used wrong .both cannot survive with out another . We need scientist to get relief from religion and vice versa .we need both .

^^I agree to that

yaar tumne toh puri ramayan hi likh di.

@naveen
Thats old news for me, but appreciate your post.
But,wWait for the troll-stars to come up with all sorts of mindless crap.

Surely whoever created ramayana and mahabaratham must have had good sense of imagination.
I think in the present century...j.r.tolkein is the best...what a imaginative skill he has...

Science and Religion both cant be compared to each other in any sense.

Making fun of any religion and religious values is equally sin full, these things should not be given hype. Hurting anyone in a forum or a private chat is also not good. Everyone should think what he is saying.

Mediator--- Did you ever think of what are you saying.. Debate is always on good points, you cannot take any point to make other go crazy. Just think to this, You have repeated a word several times. this is not debate-this is real fight. A fight club does not mean that you can really fight in it. just look at the posts made in this thread, they show you how bad thinking is in minds of people.

^I know brother and I do think plenty of times before posting! And what r the "good points" in debate u r talking about? Who says "A fight club does not mean that you can really fight in it" ? Have u ever looked around in the FIGHT CLUB section before? Have u ever seen the reservation and similar threads which have people's sentiments attached to it? Disucssions can happen in any section of this forum, but then whats the relevance of FIGHT CLUB? Do I need to re-show the warning posted in front of this section?

And yes, I have been looking at the posts not only in this thread but the posts in the entire forums for the past 2 years. People do make fun of hinduism toooo, but shud I bash them all? Isn't it better to question them as to what makes them think that and then debate/FIGHT according to that instead of replying in a similar manner and calling him "lame"?

If u think the guy is a kid, then treat him like one. Forgive him! Why r u bashing him? If u think u need some respect, then think again kids also need respect and hate when they r ignored!

There's a saying in hindi that elders in my home say a lot that means " Treat a kid below, 13 (teenage) like a kid.....scold him,but dont ignore him. Then treat a teenager with respect.....don't even scold him, but respect his opinions and make him understand with love and then when he grows up......leave him to his will, but be there when he needs u"!

I can't understand..... If u really think the guy is acting lame, then y r u doing the same? Isn't it better to ignore and debate with someone who is really putting up the points? But I can't see the basher's gang doing that tooo! Did the guy say "u sukc or urs xyz sukc" in his first post? I don't understand y, even make an issue out of it?

@ mediator.... this is really a piece of wisedom(i too got d same idea but didnt post anything.... wanted to c how ppl think abt religion
no religion is perfect... guys... tat is all i can tell... so plz dont fight....
an argument never has an end... it keeps on growin point by point...

thaat was funny....

good imagination

I agree that !!

wow what a thinking !!!

Though i belive in GOD but i don't think that's true!!! We need someone who is close to us and capable enough to tak us out of our difficult times or help us. When no one is left with us we think of God, but this may depend on individual...

amol48
Yes bro, thats what i meant by..
See, i personally don't have anything against those who believe in "god", and i sincerely believe that as long as there is intelligent being, like humans, a concept of god is inevitable.

But at the same time questioning the existence of god is just as much necessary. It is through the process of "questioning", that we finally understand the "unknown". If we kept on attributing everything to god, we would not have made all the discoveries that surround us today.

All i am saying is that it is difficult to undo the "social brainwashing", but once u do that, there is immense possibility on the other side. And someday i hope to see u all there.

will take some time 2 read dis....doin it in easy installments

Enjoy~!

@chatterjeesayan

really a nice post

what about that things which are mentioned in God's Holy Book
before science invent that........?

^^But their existence has been proved....

^^^ there existence has been provd thats wat we study all in high school physics but there's no such microscope rght now cud soon (ill make it soon )

^^^^ right

such microscope does not exists yet.

yeah right dude.
no one can give a proof of existence of god.
But science-i daily study it.its quite boring but it exists at least.
Shradha wala kaam nahi hai.

then ur d only person who can see electrons, neutrons, protons.......

hhhmmm.....i actually meant the thing which havent been proved yet.
aare yaar samjha karo.
bachche ki jaan loge kya?
BTW neutrons,protons and electrons can be seen through some kinda microscope.

^
absolutely write....maybe you'll start beleivin in god when
they create a telescope with which you can watch heaven...
BTW i know one god satya shri sai baba....you can usaually
see him on ur tv

^^^ amen

i dont believe what i dont see.
so science for me.
god doesnt come and save a person who is suffering from TB.
they r the doctors who with the help of science care to treat the dying person.
moreover,god didnt invent ,TV,Comps,Microsscopes,telescopes,and even the internet through which we r connected.
So,..hhhmmm....we got no conclusions.
therefore,i belive in god and will keep believing.

i am an athiest.

no god for me

in my opinion
1. god could or could not exist
2. For now science have proof which we believe in
3. if we dont know anything we say god does
4. we pray to god so we can put tension aside, which is wrong and right
wrong because u shudnt place sometihng in the hands of sometihng which doesent exist or isnt proven for example i handed a problem to god also helping myself but nooooo god didnt want to help me anyways it is also good because a human mind cannot function properly with tension
its entirely upon us if we want to believe on god or not but we for now i dont think it is possible to proof, so i myself go with science
regarding all those aircraft proof, we dont have proof of the dates they cud be made after or before or theory who knows i personally am a atheist anyways its up to you but i follow some of the ten commandments like love thy neighbour as u love thyself and stuff so anyways this debate will never be over

explained by observations and calculations.

Science doesn't have proofs or explanations, only observations. Scientists don't even know what causes Gravity. A hypothetical particle named Graviton is supposed to exist, because "it is required by some mathematical equations".

No i think there is god in every thing
so we must not forget the one who created all things and science is also created by the one god

Once you realize that you are no more than a high-level abstraction, or an ordered collection, of other organisms and that your conciousness and the "self" is a by-product of electrical signals in brain - you cease to believe.

Are we really anything more than highly advanced bio-mechanical machines? Think about it.

^^ If I am understannding him right he (and I) means If we don't believe in god is that mean that we are missing something.
It means that does those who believe in God live a better life?

No naa. Why believe in god when there will be no effect in your life no matter you believe in god or not.

Why believe in anything who is indirectly the reason of all differences between human.

“Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. ......This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. ......Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

These are the famous words by Carl Marx, and although said in a political context, is just as much relevant in sociology. A brief explanation of the above quote is that:

U need God/religion if u r running low on self-belief, confidence and conviction.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an excuse or justification for all that u do or intend to do.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an easy explanation for all that u fail to explain by means of common sense, common knowledge and common understanding.

There is no doubt that science, with its own limitations, cannot disprove god, neither can it prove god. Although some scientific observations, most notably among them is “evolution”, actually provide enough basis to debunk the theory of God.

ABSOLUTELY

science can be proved.it has explanation.so for me science is the answer..

)guys.......
logic tells us that the universe started from something right? now one of the theories (i think i read it in a novel) is that the unvierse came from energy that a huge mass of energy did something and changed to matter. (i think this is from angels and demons), now this energy could in my definition be called god i dont think that there is honestly a ram, lakshmi or even vishnu looking down at us. but a lot of good things happen in the name of god and so how does it matter i mean as long as you dont go overboard in ure beliefs and kill ppl who believe the same thing you do i think u should just think about it. As of me i personally could be called agnostic as i think of god to be a mass of life (call it living energy) i know this is sounding stupid but i just dont belive that are actions are watched over by some dudes up in the sky (i wonder is the hve LCDs there lol). another intresting read is FOOTPRINTS OF GOD by Greg Iles, it is again sience fiction but is quite cool at the end of the day "yay to bande ki belief hai yaar aur doosre ki belief par kyo apna time waste kare? unki belief to change honi hi nahi"

I dont know, I dont care and it doesnt make a Difference (thats what einstein said...i s'pose he was asked the same question )

Well said buddy. You are the perfect example of the effect of the so called modern education system prevailing in India. We are not being told the greatness of our culture rather we are being shown the greatness of the west and the modern scientific society. Alas! you never thought of digging deep and delve into deciphering of the Indian science, once we were master of. Nevertheless, we fortunately have a great thread running in this forum(http://tinyurl.com/w2mj5). You must read it before making such remarks. Galileo made the Tlelescope.....isnt it? Yes, he did but how did indians knew of other planets since centuries ? You never thought of this question simply because you have not been given the education related to your root. The hierarchy to which you belong. The culture and the great trait of which you are a part. Try digging a bit deeper buddy. The mysticism you call are more factual than you have ever imagined. Open your eyes.


Now coming to this thread. Well, first of all the God has different meanings for different people. I dont believe in any idol worship but yes, there is something called god. He is the one who is everywhere and in everything. He is the one who has well defined the laws of nature and is the supreme cause behind any other cause. He is the one which is undefined and unattributed.
What is paranormal ? It is something which doesnt seem normal today but you can not guarantee if it would be paranormal tomorrow. As I have said before, something you dont know of is not necessarily what doesnt exist or might not have existed before.
I dont criticise modern science nor I am against any civilization or its distinct heroic identities but those who favour newton or any such other great persona at the cost of our civilisation and our great Philosophies which are the result of thousands of years of thinking and debate, should look at their understanding of Indian Philosophies. God is the one who is not the otherone(अद्वैत). Making blind remarks over the subject which you have no knowledge of the other side automatically nullifies your logic. Many consider GOD as a person/character who is being worshipped by millions.
It is really funny when there are people talking about something as complex as almighty, considering him something sort of a visible item. Dont compare him to what many of you have grown up with. He is not superman or Batman incase you are looking the definition in it.

i think u shouldnt even compare or think about americans with our country....

do u think thier system and ours is one???

no way...

there a boy starts his life when he enters the college itself...they leave them open to the society...and as a result..the survival of the fittest...they innovate,think,invent,improve,.....

thats why they are leading and we are following them...
yes i do agree...india too has brilliant students.../children....

whts the use???

are they been left to face the society alone??no they are spoon fed at all levels....
and one think that is hiundering young age children is the belief of GOD....
how many hours a week a child or parents spending in going to temple..or church..or mosque whtever it may be...LOADS OF `EM!!!!

yes i do believe TEMPLE,CHURCH,MOSQUE are place of relaxation, an outlet from this busy world...

but invovling too much and preaching others the wrong belief....person who take advantages of these really innocent people and takin money from them should be curbed with atmost punishment...

believe in science and realise many things than believing in something which doesnt not exist...
proof of nonexistence of god is its nonexistence itself!!!!!

SCIENCE IS GOD!!!

Obviously, you know nothing about America and born-again Christians.(Bush is a prime example). Practicing religion is not a bad thing, how can it be bad?

If you think a person who practices religion is somehow lower than you, then I wouldn't comment on you much.

bang on target .... dont americans go to church don world muslims go to mosques, i wonder y was the vatican built was it for Indians???

i think u remember the rhyms..... like twinkle twinkle....
things like that...why???

coz u were made to memorise right from ur childhood and u know one thing....those are the time when the brain of a child is growing in a rapid state and takes in and stores deeper into the unconsciuos state,,,wht i am saying is..

in our country from the childhood itself they preach...MAKE THEM PRACTICE(childrens) to love god(which doesnt exist) and worhship instead of teaching the child some good stuffs,innovative stuffs...or atleast leavbe the child to play!!!!!!

@koolbluez
cool story man...keep up.

God is the science behind science. It can't be seen, or felt by the 5 senses we have. It's difficult to believe in God because man doesn't believe in what he can't see, hear or feel. But the only way to know God is through faith and belief.

Can anyone explain the science behind will power or mind power. I mean have u seen someone bending a spoon or similar things with pure mind power??

Is there any science behind it?
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Is there any scientific explanation for hipnotisn, pranic healing or rayki? i dun think so. But these are accepted worldwide nd needs no proof for its existance.

my vote goes 2 GOD

Well I have a lot to say in this regard but it would better be iteractive.
So do notmind posting anything in this regard even via private messages.
I think we need both religion as well as science to survive.God for spiritual power and science for temporal.But if talked about a choice both of them lead to the same ultimate junction-God.Whether its the Big Bang or the genesis,T the place we finall y look for ig is God.Recent discoveries at CERN in Switzerland show that even after a significant revealation we find that God is indispensable whether you talk about creation of the uinverse in Scientific or in Religious parlance.
That is enough for now i guess.
Bye

answer of this question only can give a person named einstain
go and ask his theory of relativity where he say matter is wave and wave is matter so we cant see god

God for Me!
Science in its place and God at a place above it!

God rule.............................................. .........................

Science or God?

This sentence need to be reformulated to:
"G". God ?
"N". No God ?
&
"I". "No Science" (or science is an illusion) ?
"C". "Created Science" ?
"F". "Forever Pre-Existed Science" ?

And now, the right question is which of following combinations is right: "G"-"I", "G"-"C", "G"-"F", "N"-"I", "N"-"C", and "N"-"F"?

Moreover, Since the science we know in our days is not able to prove with physical evidences neither "A" nor "B" is the truth, Science need not to be comparable with God in the form of only "Science or God?"...

The science (we know) is too convincing due to our every day (material) needs. While, our soul is kind of too convinced that there is something out there (maybe a non-material) God.

So, the question could be rather:
- Does science (we know) be able to/will prove the existing/non-existing of God?
Or even maybe,
- Which one does science (we know) favor more: God or No God?

But, does it not look like if we are using something (such as science) based on our knowledge to prove something beyond our knowledge?

If God does exist based on the our actual reality, there is only his signs in this world that can be seen and interpreted, but not God HIMSelf.

Aberforth, there are a few credible scientific explanations already given here in this thread in support of the existence of almighty. I would like you to apply your logic against them.

The debate which will never be solved. For every atheist you have a hundred million believers.

@cvvikram : The Curiosity of Man

Agreed, science is not yet capable of explaining everything. But I think the keyword is "yet". I believe that it is only a matter of time before science is capable of giving reasons for what is not known today.

This is a big debatable and sensitive issue.
Science is not yet able to explain the formation of Universe. Big Bang theory which most trust now-a-days doesn't explain the formation of Universe completely. Till mankind probes into these deeply, we can't ignore the existence of supernatural powers. Atleast for now.

Lemme ask one question...Who is all behind this science ????

See, both sides must understand each other's points. People who believe in god i.e. the existence of the almighty have every reason to believe in what they do.

I think atheists(more prominently leftists) should accept this fact. If a person believes that there was a bridge between India and Lanka, you've got to accept his views. You, personally, have got no proof that such a bridge did not exist, have you?

Religion is something that comforts a person, and is entirely personal to him. I'm only talking about Hinduism here. I don't know enough about other religions to state whether it is considered personal by its followers.

I'd like you to read an excellent article on religion by Bhagat Singh.

http://www.punjabilok.com/misc/freedom/whyiam_ath.htm

As for science and darwinism, both have progressed, but aren't perfect. There are still loopholes in science, there is still no cure for AIDS etc.

Look at the human body as an example. Science, despite its progress, can't create something with such finesse as the human body has been created.

In the end, I'd like to point out that I'm more proud of the Indian culture that has accepted so many religions, both native and foreign than in god. Indian religions like Buddhism have spread to different parts of the world, without any bloodshed at all. That speaks volumes of our culture. It's really not important who created what; in the end, it's important that you be a good person in life. That's what Indian culture teaches us.
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That's because science isn't nearly as perfect. I'd again like to say that religion is a private affair.

The scientist may believe in god, but it is also possible that through research, he may look out for alternate theories for evolution.

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340...


i think this deals with great genius of our past century just like newton,einstien....they were able experiment....hence they showed results...our genius were not ablew to do anykind of these things hence they are just written forms...

i think we are talking about god here

a little late to the discussion and a little lazy to go thru it however my question ....

y havnt the scientists been able to proove tht God doesnt exist .... and besides dont most scientists visit holy places????

Coz thats how debate works. By facts, not by absurd reasoning,expert comments from someone ignorant about the topic or absurd examples!

And I request u not to eva bring this kind of absurd reasoning with an insane "but if" factor! If u have even a bit of intellect than u'll probably know what I'm talking about!

N what makes u think that? "What if" (like ur "but if") comet is twice the size of earth?

Are u kidding?? If u are a science student if u have even a little knowledge about science then u won't be saying such absurd things! Did nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki destroyed the earth?? Then how can it destroy a comet completely? Real things aren't as u see in movies or cartoon serials buddy!

Neways it all depends on the size of comet! If its small then it can be destroyed partially and be deflected ! If its big, then there's very very little chance of destroying it even partially. It may be deflected though and that too only marginally! Comet may be even more bigger that it may not be even possible to deflect it!

SO ur idea of "any kind of comet" being deflected is a little hard for even a superb scientist to understand! Now next don't say earth can be protected from Sun's Nova!

So I humbly request u to please either post facts, say something reasonable or quit posting ur expert comments coz later I can predict u'll be giving personal comments to me!


@Sykora, if u fail to see that, then I can make u see most of that. But did u read the link,sources n comments in those sources? Coz people like u have already made such comments and have been enlightened in those comments! U ask for scientific evidence? They r there. So read the link!

I fail to see how :

>>> You can accept Monkeys flying while carrying mountains, as a fact.

>>> A man's chariot will sink to the ground, having always been 1 inch above it, once the man has told a lie.

>>> An archer's arrows, however well shot, can carry a man's head to the lap of his father, miles away.

>>> One can learn a mantra, recital of which will allow a woman to bear a child, who is the son of a god.

>>> One can dig a hole to the "nether world", a place where you can find an elephant which holds the earth up.

>>> 60,000 men can be burnt up when a man utters a syllable when he is angry.

>>> A couple can have 60,000 sons in the first place.

>>> One can fabricate a chakra out of a lock of matted hair, which will pursue one wherever he goes.

>>> You can pray to a god to be reborn as a man, so that you can kill one you don't like, cast yourself into a pyre, burn to death, be reborn as a man, so that when you finally approach that man in battle, he knows who you are, who you were, and refuses to fight you.

>>> A man can be born in two pieces, be put together, and be killed by ripping him apart with equal facility.

I also remember a story of how a sage drunk an entire ocean so that the people hiding in it could be killed more easily.

I'm not going to believe these things until scientific evidence is brought to bear, and I don't mind who does it, Indians or otherwise.

Dude, why do you take each and every word literally? Removing water was just a hyperbole.
And well, if the forefathers were so intelligent, then they won't have extinct by a comet, because even we have the technology to get rid of any kind of a comet coming towards us!
And as far as my reasoning and believing in science goes, don't get to a conclusion on it, let the other forum members also decide. OK?

simply perfect.... mediator..

I accept that they were facts and only and an ignorant person who has evidences in front of him can think absurdly that they were stories!

Everyone who has a sense of judgement, spirit of questioning don't fit in ur category! If u think they r stories then it doesn't mean everyone's like u!

Don't mind, but that's the most absurd and stupid reason I have ever heard. Neways who will remove that water?? Will u? My dear if all the water is removed, then u wont be here to giving such an absurd reasoning as humans can't stay alive without water, u won't have fish to eat and many things.
The "but if" factor that u brought so insanely and absurdly can really make any one piss off in a debate of intellects! Likewise I can also say absurdly, that We ruled the earth in the past but what if a comet hit the earth n may have wiped off the most human race then? How can u prove u follow the bloodline of ur great great great great grandfather? What if u have been born as a test tube baby??

So u see its easy to make expert comments and its human nature too that one often makes expert comments when he doesn't know anything on the topic and is absolutely ignorant about it. So if u see clearly then u'll see the facts that the bridge is built by the same stones as mentioned in Ramayan.

I guess u also come in the category of those Indians who will tend to believe the foreigners but won't listen to his countrymen. I guess its because of people like u who tend to neglect their culture, their vedic knowledge because of which the theorams, formulae and the discoveries r named after foreigners. If people were aware of India's richness of the past in masses, then who r foreigners to name these things and discoveries after their name?? We wud have been leading by now if all the people like u wud have been proud of ur culture and knowledge of the past.

So I guess u'll believe the americans better. Here's the link n the sources in it read em in detail n carefully line by line+comments too!
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340

If the engineers were so good why did the plane crash in the first place.LOL

If the temple is attacked do you have any idea how much unrest will it create, Nehru center, if attacked will be a reason of what, minor criticism for security machinery, remember the IIT professor was killed, what happened?
The number of ppl having attachment to religious institutions is far greater than any elitist research or educational institution.

If you have any idea how many hungry people are fed by langars etc in the religious institutions, how many charity hospitals are run by them, you would not have raised this point. See the end is always the public welfare its only the means that differ.

@mediator, why should I not say that they were stories, please accept the fact that they are indeed stories, everyone knows that. And as far as the bridging of India and Sri-Lanka goes, thats how the earth is, some part of it is under water some part is above water, but if all the water is removed, then the whole earth is connected, so the bridge thing is just an elevated part of earth which is above water currently and looks like a bridge. And if you have a proof that monkeys made it, then show it to all of us.

proofs proofs proofs....... what makes humans so perfect??? wat makes humans think tht they are goddamn better thn any other creature in the universe...
arey yaar a simple example:

(1)
a human eye cant even see radiations other thn 400-700 nm (nanometers)... CAN WE SEE INFRARED RADIATIONS?... CAN WE SEE ULTRAVIOLET RAYS???
THT'S A LIMITATION OF A HUMAN EYE MADE OF SKIN....

(2)
our ears cant hear sounds more thn 20,000 db... while bats can???
WE HAVE TO BE LOGICAL yaar... there are certain incapabilities of a human being....

Why there are certain laws which we have studied have "ACCEPTED WITHOUT PROOF" tagged with it.

uptill 19 th century it was believed tht the earth is flat... so our great grand fathers died with a feeling tht the earth is flat... their life was not so long to get the actual fact.

Columbus found America in 1492 AD but untill he died in 1507 AD.. he was in tht impression tht he found India... poor guy...

Even in SCIENCE... certain phenomena occur which the scientist canno define in a scientific manner... MANY INVENTIONS ARE YET TO BE "DISCOVERED" (ya i wrote the word "discovered" intentionally"... and the moment they will get discoverd we all will have to believe in it..no other choice

can you see air.... what will happen to u if air is not there....

http://osaichella.blogspot.com/2007/...post_3913.html

found a inteersting article here....

thought of sharing...

Well, I presume ur a christian! Have u ever seen foreigners out there in europe and US and how much they make fun of the characters related to their own religion. I can give u links if u want. But I never ever saw any Indian Christian protesting to that in News channels or any friend of mine protesting like such. Do u think its alright if foreigners make fun like such? Also the sayian never pointed to any religion directly in his first post either! Why r u so concerned then? And if u really r concerned then u shud have reasoned as well! So what really is lame here is the hypocrisy of some Indians!!

So if u wanna debate, then please post reasonable points too. Neways there r more science vs religion related discussion out of this thread.
U may wanna read all those too!

So calling God sux is a good thing?. So that is not lame?. Ok fine. Keep that yourself.

Oh well. Back to real life.

ok azzu.
will never happen again.
i am with GOD.
Science exists but i am and will always be faithful to God.

@admin-please delete this post.

dont take any religion in here jus tell that ur on which side thats all
simple
no worries

It does not need any type of deep thinking and understanding it is written by a fool. It is bunch of nonsense which is written by people who does not have any work to do.

Also Karnivore. I have also read this coutless of times. So you were expecting someone thing. Let you tell you one thing clear God exist. He will prove that he exist in coming days. Be prepared.

By then Karl Marx will come and save you and what ever you wrote just disappers.

Take Care.

Dont try and act to be so intelligent.

This is blind faith at its extreme.

That must be you. Not me. Dont get me wrong. If i say it is blind faith i cant do anything. Iam sorry.

thunderbird.117
Expected. Anything that requires deep thinking and thorough understanding is of course boring for an armchair theorist.

cyberboy_kerala
True. What theory of "evolution" does is that it give us a glimpse into the making of modern man. It proves that modern man has evolved into what it is today through a natural process of adaptation and not through any divine intervention. Thats why the Church did the most sensible thing and debunked the theory of "evolution".

True, evolution is not a conclusive proof of absence of god, but, as i said, it provides a basis for a scientific understanding of life. A lot remains to be explained, but these scientific discoveries assure us that there are indeed rational and scientific "explanations" for everything.

strange point,You r successful does't mean ter is no god.



Agreed on first point,but evolution does't provide enough basis to debunk god,u need a first organism for evolution to work. Evolution hav not produced a credible scientific explanation for the origin of such immense complexities as DNA, human consciousness,and many other complex elements of the cosmos.We are far behind to claim that.

U need to read this thread in detail first.
Next, why was America named after Vespucci n not christopher columbus? Why is it that most of the mathetmatical formulae are named after foreigners when they were clearly mentioned in Vedic Mathematics since the era of Ramayan n before? Why is that people learn about foriegn textbooks and not the vedic textbooks? Why is it that Sanskrit inspite of being a complete language better than any other language in the world and acknowledged by all the reputed scientists n discovers is becoming dead or almost dead??

I hope u got mah point! Its obvious that people tend to name something after them when they did't explored the past and don't know that the technology existed in past too. The thing is accepted then by the world when most are ignorant about the past. But read the link I gave, people r getting aware about the past n have evidences that technology existed in the past too!

WHo knows what happened after that time! If people had known then I'm sure they wud also have known the complete knowledge embedded in India's past and we wud have been a 100 times more powerful and richer than US by now! Mughals came to India n destroyed Indian temples, scriptures,paintings and ruled for a big time, then came foreigners who ruled for a big time. From these facts, its quite clear no one can save his her past completely. If ur life's threatened, then a common man wont bother about his knowledge n texts, but his life!

I agree to that. Its human nature to do so because of which comes spirit of questioning n which leads to scientific evolution.
@shaunak the rest of the corresponding post of urs fits more appropriately in this thread http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38163

@zegulas, don't say they were stories. The path between srilanka n India bridged with stones shud be enough for u to believe that they were facts. There are more facts than this if u have read the mahabharat n ramayan fully n have searched the net.

First of all, weren't the Mahabharata and Ramayana epics?
As far as I know, some human being wrote them, they aren't true events!
And science has the capabilities to make all your dreams come true, whatever they may be. But it takes a long time to invent all the things that you have mentioned, like cloning and study of aerodynamics, thinking about them is very easy dear, everyone could do it, if they don't have anything else to do.
Don't just see dreams while you are in this world, try to make them real and worthy for the mankind.

Last note for all of you:

Sir Newton, during his last moments said: If I was able to see farther than the reach of others, was because I was standing on the shoulders of the giants.

Now GIANTS here mean vast knowledge, not God or anything!

If you can prove the existance of god, ill believe you. Why should i believe in something that cant be seen or felt.

If someone survive a plane crash, its all the credit goes to god, but who thinks of the thousand engeeneers at boieng/airbus who toiled day and night to ensure he/she survives in that scenario?

If you walk near the siddhivinayak temple you will see 'bout a score of CCTV cameras but just a few kilometers from it Nehru center stays defence less. This clearly shows the degradation of learing at the hands of religion.

Surely if lesser money was pupmed into the temple's upkeep, roads, hospitals and research facilities could be improved.
Lets evaluate the options, (a) save many lives by improving hospitals, (b)help the desolate by enriching charities (c)improve develiopment by improving infrastructure (d) please god by making a gold/marble/granite/diamond temple.
Now you decide

yes the good things like how we should live from the eipics and the rapidly growing knowledge on other side..........

can't decide

@jai_desai :

What happened to all your "proofs" after that time? Why do we recognize John Logie baird as the inventor of Radar and not Sanjeeva? Why are we not able to clone now, if ostensibly cloning was possible then?

They are proofs only if you believe that they took place at all, which will fall back to a decision of whether or not you believe in mysticism...

@jal_desai
Well said mate.

There is no point in considering science and paranormal science as two different entities.... they are same but what i think is .... paranormal science is forward than logical science....

Proofs to support me:

((1)). every thing tht we see today WAS there in the past... we know tht in mahabharata, dhritirashtra had 100 sons (kauravas)... a female cannot give birth to 100 sons and what about the age difference beetween the first and the last son (logic lagaao!) it should be minimum 100 yrs right?????? wrong... because they used some techniques in the form of rituals which we now know as --- CLONING..... Kauravas were the example of HUMAN CLONING

((2)) We also know tht Agatsya (a mahabharata character) was born in a pot... (ghada) .. --- A Perfect Example of TEST TUBE BABY.

((3)) In Ramayan, the evil RAVAN had a swan-like plane tht used to defy gravity and go in to the air.... so we have a proof tht the LAWS OF AERODYNAMICS WERE PRESENT AT THT TIME...

((4)) In Mahabharata and Ramayan it is written tht when, during a war, a person would shoot an arrow then various kinds of outcome would occur... they were using mantras to affect the other party.... AN EXAMPLE OF HAND-HELD MISSILES which are on the verge to become popular in military nowadays.

((5)) In mahabharata, during the final war, SANJEEV (--saarthi of dhritarashtra) was given a boon to SEE the war while sittin home and narrate it to blind rajah...... --- AN OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF RADAR/TELEVISION (DOORDARSHAN to be very precise)...... (and now we say tht JOHN LOGIE BAIRD was the inventor of TV...?? HUH)



so, these technologies were present thousands of yrs ago.... but they were rediscovered again...
OTHER INVENTION, THT I THINK, WILL TAKE PLACE IN FUTURE IS TO GET INVISIBLE....
In those epics there is a mention about ppl dissapering at one place and appearing at some other place the very moment.... tht technology is yet to be discovered...


LOGICAL SCIENCE is just lagging behind the PARANORMAL SCIENCE... else they both are on the VERY SAME TRACK.


Lets talk about LAWS.

Were not the Laws of Motion there before Newton????

Was not E=mc2 true before einstein actually found it????

Was not light a WAVE or PARTICLE at the time when dinosours roamed on this planet???

Would not 365 days make a year when man just learnt how to light fire???

A famous quote i wud like to put here from the film Men in Black: "1500 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY KNEW THT EARTH IS FLAT... 500 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY KNEW THT EARTH IS IN THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE... 5 MINS AGO WE ALL KNEW THT WE ARE ALONE...But we were wrong"

Aise to kitne saare laws honge jo abhi tak DISCOVER nahi huye.. they are there .... at this very moment while u are reading this... these undiscovered laws are affecting you.. but AS THEY ARE NOT LOGICALLY DISCOVERED,,,, WE CALL THEM A SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENA....


so as a matter of fact... PARANORMAL SCIENCE , which some of us call GOD... some may call a MATTER OF CHANCE.... or sometimes even LUCK.... this PARANORMAL SCIENCE which we call it today...... will be called LOGICAL SCIENCE in future....

Digitally yours,
Jal

We Need The Best Of Both Sides.......

God Made us (and science) and we re-fined Science ! Easy

The solution to all the problems is if you want to be religious dpn't subscribe to any religious institutions.



The christian should be first told that Jesus was a carpenter and who ironically got crucified on the cross. His mother was not a virgin and got did not come to earth and screw a Jewish woman. They deny the beauty of creation a "pole going inside a hole to create a new soul".! If he is god then he is a reincarnation of Vishnu!



Islam perhaps the greatest religion but muslim's the worst followers. They should first start drinking alcohol and abolish the viel or scarf etc. Imagine man "no alcohol all the women covered" even I would go violent, take a gun and start shooting everybody.



The Jew: leave Israel and go back where u all came from. You don't belong there.



The Hindu: Start eating the holy Indian cow after all it is holy meet and I am testimony to the fact that it is tasty. Perhaps it can poverty to a great extent.



The athiest: Which came first the egg or chicken? answer that? and don't be ignorant about religion.



Well I guess i am a skeptic or agnostic.

Take care

well said mate....u touched both the extremes.....

well done....

it is total upon you, even if you believe 10% of what is written there, it shows the presence of higher intelligent being watching us.

Another link of interesting site
http://www.2012.com.au/Site.A.html