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Question Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread. ( AVS Forum Digital Hi End Projectors $3,000 USD MSRP and Up )
Updated: 2008-05-20 23:45:16 (3482)
Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Note: the last thread on this topic got personal and nasty and was ultimately deleted. Please keep it mature or this thread will go the same way. Please do not even comment or refer to the non PJ specific issues from the old thread.


I thought I'd post my experiences with the Optoma HD7100. For reference, I have owned an 8" Electrohome CRT, NEC LT150, PLV60, and for the last 4 or so years, a Sharp 9000. For about a week, I also recently owned a Sony Ruby. I have a 100% light controlled theater with dark fabric walls. Iím currently using an original Stewart Grayhawk, but also have a piece of Ultramatte 200 microperf. Sources are Panasonic RP56 at 480p and Tivo HR10-250 HD Sat PVR. MSRP of the 7100 is currently $3999. I ordered the HD7100 from Jason at AVS for an amazing price that included a second bulb. I can't say enough about the positive experience I have had ordering through AVS. For some reason I always expected them to be more expensive than low cost options on the internet, but in addition to the great service, I got the best price I could find anywhere. The 7100 is easily the least expensive HD3 DLP PJ available. I set color temp to 6500, Gamma to 2.2, and did a relatively quick calibration with Avia. Bottom line is that the HD7100 produces an outstanding image for the money, and should be on anyoneís short list for consideration of a PJ in the 3k range. Of course, it was not without issue.

The Good
Black Levels and Contrast Ratio: Short of my old CRT, the 7100 had the best black levels I ever remember seeing, including the Ruby. The contrast ratio was also outstanding and probably better than any DLP not using an iris.

Detail: The 7100 produces an exceptionally sharp and well focused image. Some have claimed this is a result of outstanding optics.

Color: Out of the box, the color was as close to purpose as I could tell without a color analyzer.

Size: The 7100 is a very small unit, and will consume less space than most good HT PJs.

The "Not Good" and Bad
Noise: Noise is rated at 32db on Optimaís site. Some have indicated that this is for High Brightness mode. The PJ is definitely not as loud when it is not in High Brightness mode. I found the 7100 to be comparable in noise level to my Sharp 9000. The noise was tolerable, but as long as you have decent hearing, and the PJ is < 10 feet from your sitting position (which it will be), you WILL hear it. Still, it is not overly loud, and most will tune it out during the quiet scenes when it is audible. I would not have been as disappointed in this aspect of the PJ had I not just experienced the nearly silent Ruby.

Placement Flexibility:
Biggest issue for me is the short throw lens at 1.25-1. This put the PJ immediately above my first row of seating. My Sharp is mounted in the rear of the theater where it is less visibly obtrusive in the room, and also less audible. It is also my understand that the offset capabilities are relatively limited, but this was not an issue for me. While throw was a big issue for me, the PJ does have Horizontal and Vertical lens shift, which can be omitted in value projectors.

Shadow detail:
While this may be a gamma calibration issue, it has been noted by other as well. The shadow detail is not BAD, but it is where I'd expect it to be for this PJ. I tried to correct with different gamma, Contrast, an Brightness settings, but never got it looking very good. Again, it was not bad...

Screen Door Effect:
For some reason, this PJ seems to produce more SDE than other DLPs. It is significantly worse than my 1st gen Sharp. It was an issue at about 1.25 x screen width for me. I also noted it was WAY worse on the higher gain Ultramatte fabric, and nearly a non issue on the Grayhawk.

Rainbow Effect:
The 7100 uses a 4x/6 segment color wheel which is not as fast as most HT projectors these days. I did see rainbows on the 7100 if I tried, but did not find them any worse than many other HT projectors. The rainbows were significantly worse though than the BenQ 8720 which uses a 5x wheel.

My Situation:
Between the SDE, shadow detail, and mounting issues, I decided this PJ was not the best choice for me. The AVS "platinum guarantee" is amazing, and allows for full refunds (less shipping) if you are not satisfied. The nail in the 7100 coffin for me was the fact that the last time I powered it on, I hear a loud buzz, clicking, and the a load POP. It will not even power up now. I have decided to spend the extra $ and get the BenQ 8720. I don't think this is wise decision. I have a decent PJ and should wait for the 1080p DLPs to be released as they should cause the price on higher end 720p DLPs to fall fast.

Conclusion
The HD7100 is by far the cheapest DC3 DLP PJ available. It produces an exceptional image with outstanding black levels and detail. It does have some relatively minor issues; any of which could become a deal breaker depending on what is important to you.

Other HD7100 reviews:
http://www.avscience.com/reviews/pro...oma_hd7100.htm
http://www.projectorreviews.com/Manu...7100/index.asp
http://www.projectorcentral.com/optoma_hd7100.htm

Answers: Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread. ( AVS Forum Digital Hi End Projectors $3,000 USD MSRP and Up )
Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTROSE
I would also like to know if any of the new production units now shipping have the same issue with not wanting to come on every time unless you fiddle with it.

I think that guitarman said that fire up the projector and then send a signal not vice a versa.
THAT is not a viable option for a product such as this. The unit should fire up no matter the external situation. If I am switching from listening to cd's (projector off) to watching satellite (projector on) I should NOT have to shut everything down first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTROSE
Why would this be the case? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but in reality should it make a hill of beans difference? You should flip the switch and it should come on with out crossing your fingers.

guitarman, have you had any more problems with this issue? Anybody else?

I would really like to get this projector it meets my budget (barely) and I think if some of the initial glitches are worked out, could be a very good bang for the buck projector.

Regards,

RTROSE
I HAVE had the problem with my second unit. It is going back as soon as I figure out what to replace it with. I haven't found the replacement yet. Who knows, maybe I will give Optoma a third strike before giving up. At this point I don't trust them.

I agree on the bang for the buck which is why I haven't found an option.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I would also like to know if any of the new production units now shipping have the same issue with not wanting to come on every time unless you fiddle with it.

I think that guitarman said that fire up the projector and then send a signal not vice a versa.

Why would this be the case? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but in reality should it make a hill of beans difference? You should flip the switch and it should come on with out crossing your fingers.

guitarman, have you had any more problems with this issue? Anybody else?

I would really like to get this projector it meets my budget (barely) and I think if some of the initial glitches are worked out, could be a very good bang for the buck projector.

Regards,

RTROSE

RTROSE

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Guitarman, do you know if there are problems with any other HDMI sources (not too sure what else is available with HDMI, is the HD-A1 the only HDMI source out right now?)

I saw this on projectorcentral:

"Many have asked about the review of the Optoma HD7100. The first unit we received was a preproduction unit that produced a terrific picture, but had some trouble recognizing and synching on certain DVI source signals. This week we received a second production sample, and we do not see the problems on it that we were having with the original unit. So we will get that review posted next week."

Even though this says DVI I'm pretty sure he mentioned HDCP on a previous post.

I'm wondering whether currently shipping units have an issue or not. Would Optoma know?

sethk

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

WOW! This thread has been VERY QUIET compared to the other Optoma threads. Come on owners speak up and speak out!

Any other first impressions or concerns/problems. Those not having problems tells us. I want to hear all about this projector.

Regards,

RTROSE

RTROSE

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thpletcher
I just got my HD-A1 as well and it is a no go with the HDMI and the HD-7100. I canít even get a picture. But the component output works great at full 1080i. I also tried the HD-A1 out on my Samsung HDTV and the HDMI worked fine and I have upgraded the firmware but still no go with the 7100.
I talked to a tech on Friday and he said they have a few HDA1's that they test with their projectors and found the HDA1's to be quirky

Quirky alright, they asked how short of a cable? 15'/try shorter. Ok I tried a 6' HDMI/DVI cable and get the player to work every other time. I really can't live with using a 6' cable and still occasional HDMI errors. I'll talk to the Engineering Mgr. today since he's just back from Infocomm. I'll see what he says about using their HDA1's with the HD7100.
Hold off right now on picking up an HDA1 to use with this projector.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

No it doesn't do 1360x768 over DVI, 720p is ok.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I just got my HD-A1 as well and it is a no go with the HDMI and the HD-7100. I canít even get a picture. But the component output works great at full 1080i. I also tried the HD-A1 out on my Samsung HDTV and the HDMI worked fine and I have upgraded the firmware but still no go with the 7100.

thpletcher

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Will someone please tell me just how to post a message? I want to record a DVD from my DISH network DVD-R. to my Tru-Tech 1650. I can play the 1650, but cannot record from dvd to dvd.
Cannot figure how to post messages here.

jeb56

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I was having the EXACT same problem with my 7100. Almost like clockwork, every other startup, the blue light would go out, but no fans/bulb, and input selection did nothing. Unplug/re-plug would always solve. Until the last time when it went BOOM.

greenhut

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

If anyone is using a HD7100 with a HTPC, can you tell me if it syncs over DVI and / or VGA using a resolution of 1366x768 (or 1360x768 or 1368x768 if your video card doesn't support 1366).

Thanks!

sethk

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarman

Rking401, things to try, don't have any signals going to the projector until after the bulb fires. If it doesn't start super fast wait it out. I've noticed when I wait the blue LED flash will flash once and after that the projector will fire up. No need to unplug and retry, just wait a little longer. I think when the PJ sense signals when trying to fire up it gets confused. In the manual it does say not to have signals on when starting.
Thanks for the advice. I will give it one more chance (after alerting Jason of the problem) and see if firing it up first makes a difference (it shouldn't with a proper design). It is a slow starter, but this wasn't a case of slow starting (either time). When I hit the power button the blue light went off as normal, but the bulb never fired and the projector wouldn't respond to any remote control input. It was unresponsive until I unplugged and replugged.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

rking,

I have had the Epson 550 on my short list for some time now. Your first and second impressions are not making me feel any better. I have considered this projector from the first that I have read about it, but actual user in the field results are not sounding very promising and I'm thinking 550 again. I like you do not want to cross my fingers every time I flip the switch. I really can't go over $3,000 that is why I was so hopeful with this PJ because the street was much less than the MSRP. I was really hoping for a great bang for the buck kind of thing, but alas I thinks I'll still wait and see what others have to say and see if it gets any better.

Regards,

RTROSE

RTROSE

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Thanks, it's the projector because the HDA1 will work with my JVC/DLIA rptv. I know what's happening. The minute the player reads DVD-HD and play numbers start to move the projector try to re-sync to 1080i and the handshake is lost. I did get to watch Underworld 2 this afternoon on the Tosh and HD7100. I used S&V tuning DVD to set black/whites and 5.1 sound. The presentation was marvelous, love them blacks. Optoma does have the HDA1 so when Wing gets back I'll tell him about the slow starts and problems with the Toshiba.

Rking401, things to try, don't have any signals going to the projector until after the bulb fires. If it doesn't start super fast wait it out. I've noticed when I wait the blue LED flash will flash once and after that the projector will fire up. No need to unplug and retry, just wait a little longer. I think when the PJ sense signals when trying to fire up it gets confused. In the manual it does say not to have signals on when starting.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Tom,

I went through the same thing with my H57 and the HD-A1. Always 'HDMI Error 1' or 'HDMI Error 2' and never once was able to connect.

I sent the pj into Optoma Canada and bless their hearts they went out and purchased the Toshiba HD-A1 player specifically so that they could test it's performance over HDMI with my H57.

Wonder of wonders, it wouldn't work for them either so they replaced the main board on the projector and after that...VOILA!! The got the HD-A1 player to sync with the H57 so this may be an issue with the HD7100 as well.

Wayne

mystery

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTROSE
rking,

I would like to hear about your "second first impression" with this PJ. Just remember that duct tape fixes anything!

Regards,

RTROSE
Well, second first impression is not good. I have had two events in two days where the unit has gone dead at turn on and I have had to climb up and unplug the power to get the bulb to fire. I guess I will be taking to Jason about another return. I haven't tried the computer input yet, and as of now see no reason to try it. I think I will have to look at something else. I am NOT pleased at all. This thing is not ready for prime time. If it were reliable I could fall in love with it, but I'd rather not have a unit that I will have to worry about how long it will last while watching it. I am open to suggestions for another unit in the same price rane. What do you guys say? It has to be able to project a 4' high image from about 11' throw distance so that I don't have to put more holes in the ceiling.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by phisch
Tom, did your HDA1 have the new firmware update? The new update is supposed to take care of the HDMI error problem. I have an H77 connected with a 30' DVI cabel, and I have no problems with the hand shake.
It has 1.2/1.09/2.0p which I think is the latest and greatest. The Tosh worked well last night with the HT1000 though the image looked super soft compared to the HD7100. I'll test it more with the HD7100 today and if I get the same problems I'll hv to take it back. The HDA1 is really a waste to use it with the HT1000.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Greenhut-
Great write-up. Thanks for the insights.

vigga

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

No white segment it's RGB/RGB 4x. WP makes the whites more pure and increased contrast. This one doesn't crush out white like others I've tested. You could use it for Football games.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I see in the manual (downloaded from optomausa.com) that there is a "White Peaking" (p. 31) or "White Enhance" (p. 45) setting. So does the HD7100's color wheel have a white segment?

-- Peter

pjones

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I think the problem may be the projectors ability to pull the signal. Plus the HD7100 goes into find the signal once the Toshiba start sending 1080i. I tried the HDa1 with my HT1000 tonight and go no handshake problems, just sparlies from the 35' DVI cable. The NEC is also noted for low pull levels. More testing needed.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarman
Plus the Tosh has a low level signal you'll need a very short cable or digital amplifier. Only my 15' cable would work, no 25' or 35'.
The weak HDMI transmitter may be specific to your individual unit. My HDA1 works without problem over a 33' copper DVI cable, Lindys SLAC DVI cable. I do have problems with rented disks not playing because of very minor disk damage, which seems to be a common experience with this player.

Glenn

glenned

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I mentioned on the deleted thread that I received one with a defect. In switching sources it would shut down and the "lamp overheat" light would come on. I just got the replacement from Jason installed this evening and haven't had the time to mess with it much yet. As is my usual situation, I had to rework my homebrew ceiling mount about three times before I was confident in it's capablities to hold the thing. So far (tonight) so good.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

rking,

I would like to hear about your "second first impression" with this PJ. Just remember that duct tape fixes anything!

Regards,

RTROSE

RTROSE

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Tom, did your HDA1 have the new firmware update? The new update is supposed to take care of the HDMI error problem. I have an H77 connected with a 30' DVI cabel, and I have no problems with the hand shake.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I'll check for it but Fry's just got this in yesterday. I was ready to slam it, remindes me of Vinc Bravo times, reboot reboot.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

greenhut,

Thanks for having the fortitue to start an "Official" 7100 thread. Sounds like there are some initial issues with the PJ. I hear you on the picture, but I don't want to feel like I have to cross my fingers every time I "flip the switch". I unlike you can't pop the extra $ for the 8720 (although I'd like to) I have been looking hard at the Epson 550 and then this little critter came along and is also on my short list too. I've got to stay under 3g's for my price point so I thought that this little PJ may just be the answer.

Still for me the jury's out, still doing a lot of searching and reading.

Again thanks for going out on a limb.

Any other owners want to chime in?

Regards,

RTROSE

RTROSE

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Thanks for the review Greenhut. I think you are right when you say to wait for the 1080p projectors to come out. I just noticed that Optoma is offering a $300 rebate on the 7100 now.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I couldn't get the Toshiba HDA1 to work to well with the HD7100, just got one yesterday. It worked a couple of times but mainly loses the HDMI hand shake. The player will be recognized at first but the projector goes into re-sync when the player goes into play and 1080i is sent. The hand shake is lost and you get HDMI error. For the three times I got it to work I got 25 times when it didn't. So back goes the Tosh, I'll wait for the next series. Plus the Tosh has a low level signal you'll need a very short cable or digital amplifier. Only my 15' cable would work, no 25' or 35'.

greenhut, sounds like your bulb blew up. If the glass didn't shatter inside you should hv tried your other bulb. I have a couple of new tips. Trying Color Temp/Native it's brighter, also set the Y/C coordinates to X 16 and Y -9.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

This morning I had no bulb fire with everything turned off. So, cancel the thought that sources have to be turned on last. On the second attempt it fired with sources turned on.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sethk
Guitarman, do you know if there are problems with any other HDMI sources (not too sure what else is available with HDMI, is the HD-A1 the only HDMI source out right now?)

I saw this on projectorcentral:

"Many have asked about the review of the Optoma HD7100. The first unit we received was a preproduction unit that produced a terrific picture, but had some trouble recognizing and synching on certain DVI source signals. This week we received a second production sample, and we do not see the problems on it that we were having with the original unit. So we will get that review posted next week."

Even though this says DVI I'm pretty sure he mentioned HDCP on a previous post.

I'm wondering whether currently shipping units have an issue or not. Would Optoma know?
No HDMI problem it's just the HDA1. I run a Pany S97 with HDMI and I'm testing the Optoma HD3000 which is HDMI. I can run components from my Comcast HD with the HD3000 and have scale it to 720p out of HDMI with no problem.

I was at the factory yesterday and their Engineer Mgr. is aware of the problem. He tried the HDA1 with many other Optoma models and there's no problem. Wing talked to Toshiba and they're sending him a firmware. I thought that just may be the 1.2 which mine has. He thought it might be different, we'll see.

On my HD7100 I've never pulled the plug to get it to fire up. Early on it was slow a few times and waiting or hitting the direct signal button on the remote made it fire up. In these last several weeks it has started fast every time. You know there are a number of other owners that aren't having problems and are enjoying the projector, they pm'ed me but don't post in the public forum. The projector comes with a 3year warranty so you're covered. If you have a problem all can be made well.

I'll do a review on the HD3000 with the HD7100/HD7300 soon. So far it's looking like an incredible device and a must have for the HD7100.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

guitarman,

I understand what you are saying in regards to the warranty, and yes three years is a very good warranty IMO. I know that you have been beaten up around here a few times and I admire you for continuing to provide us with some very good info, but I would like to state that if I do purchase this pj I don't WANT to use the warranty. It is good insurance, but not having to use it is even better. I'm glad that my vehicle came with a 36,000 mile warranty, but I don't WANT to use it either. Good insurance, but it would be better if I wasn't bothered with HAVING to use it at all!

It seems that you have a pretty steady rapport with Optoma, are they aware of the issue? Is this issue just a few of the first pj's and now it has been worked out? You state that for the past few weeks that there has not been a problem with your pj. Can you give us any idea what the problem may be?

Lots of questions I know but your answers are greatly appricaiated.

Regards,

RTROSE

RTROSE

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

RTROSE,

In the few times I've used my 7100, I've not had any startup problems. HDMI from my Denon 2910 has worked flawlessly, too. I'll post if I do experience problems in the future.

Good luck,
Don

db13

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

guitarman,

glad to hear you have the hd3000. I'm anxiously awaiting your review. what has you most impressed so far? also, do you know what the differences are between the 7100 and 7300. What I've found is 6000:1 contrast and HDMI. your comments are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Don

db13

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

"I do purchase this pj I don't WANT to use the warranty".

I know what you mean. better wait for more of a track record.

On the scaler box. There's a ton of adjustments and features available. Maybe the contrast enhancement boosts the CR level. It certainly can brighten up an image. Anybody that needed more black detail the scaler can fill the bill.

I sent a 480i signal from the HDA1 and noticed the Gennum chip could do the HQV motion detail test better than the Faroudja chipped players I have. The test where the race car passes the stands. There's absolutely no lag time on the frame pickup. With the Faroudja chip there's a split second of lag time. More testing needed ugh.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTROSE
if I do purchase this pj I don't WANT to use the warranty. It is good insurance, but not having to use it is even better. I'm glad that my vehicle came with a 36,000 mile warranty, but I don't WANT to use it either. Good insurance, but it would be better if I wasn't bothered with HAVING to use it at all!
Agree with your philosophy on warranties. I have a feeling that if you purchase this projector the warranty will be something that you will use. Thankfully, AVS is sending me a second RA# so that I can return the one I now have. Still have to decide what to buy to replace it. I LOVE the picture quality, but I don't like being a beta (alpha) tester unless I am being compensated for being so.

I recently spent $8-9k for hurricane shutters for some commercial property. Just as with warranties, I hope I never have to use them.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Ugh, I'm upgrading two H77's today and the Toshiba HD player works flawlessly with both of them. I don't have to worry about the HDMI handshake no matter how I try to foul it up. PJ/display off, HD player on first nothing fouls up the connection. Plus I can use my long HDMI cables. Still no easy go with the HD7100.

For anybody having trouble with the HDMI handshake and the HDA1. You don't have to unplug it or turn it off. What works best for me is to open the tray door and while it's open pull the HDMI cable out of the player and then replace it, no waiting needed. Then close the tray. I have it working right now on the first re-try with the procedure above. Also using a 35' HDMI cable and the picture is clean with no sparklies. I hope the engineers at Optoma can figure out the problem or work with Toshiba on the problem, because the player displays stellar images for HD and SD DVD's.

I wanna be able to use this puppy with the HD7100.

For HD7100 owners I didn't get around to tuning the grayscale for the Toshiba with colorfacts but do have the correct black and white settings from using the Accupel at RGB DVI-V/1080i

Brightness -2
Contrast 15
Sharpness / Sharpest
Gamma 2.2
Color Temp 6500k
(gray patterns look excellent with these settings)

Do not use the Toshiba's Enhanced black level, stick with normal video level. Which matches up well with the Accupels reference DVI-V/1080i (video reference black level).

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

A quick ? on the 7100 and the HDa1...

If you put a processor in the chain between the 7100 and HDa1 will the proper handshake occur? That is HDa1 to iScan VPwhatever to Optoma 7100 = a picture...

Also, currently trying to decide between the 7100 and the Benq 8270....any thoughts?

Thanks,
-Alex-

bairda

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

projector central has the review up (7100) so guitarman is justified,lol

Sunstone

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Tom have you ever mentioned your preference between this and the H79?

I e-mailed projectorcentral re the color accuracy and Evan said that it wasnít an issue on their unit. When also asked re his preference compared to the Samsung 710, he thinks the Sammy is better in color precision but the HD7100 is more superior in contrast and saturation. While other may have a preference for the more precise color and be willing to sacrifice contrast and saturation to get it, his personal preference is the HD7100 in terms of overall image quality.

Ximori

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Anybody that needed more black detail the scaler can fill the bill.
Is this accomplished via gamma adjustments with the external scaler? This would definitely be a good feature.

Quote:
Ugh, I'm upgrading two H77's today and the Toshiba HD player works flawlessly with both of them. I don't have to worry about the HDMI handshake no matter how I try to foul it up.
The HD-A1 has always worked perfectly with my H77 from day 1.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
I e-mailed projectorcentral re the color accuracy and Evan said that it wasnít an issue on their unit. When also asked re his preference compared to the Samsung 710, he thinks the Sammy is better in color precision but the HD7100 is more superior in contrast and saturation. While other may have a preference for the more precise color and be willing to sacrifice contrast and saturation to get it, his personal preference is the HD7100 in terms of overall image quality.
This is a pretty good endorsement for the 7100. I haven't had time to read Evan's review yet, did he comment on shadow detail at all?

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Re Processor and HDA1, It can but I'm still testing things. Didn't work thru HDMI but component at 480i to the scaler worked. I had the scaler output 1080i thru it's HDMI out. There has to be a better way. Plus I'm still testing how the scaler/pj can handle longer cables. I've been having trouble with some of my cheaper 25' cables. Still have more to do.

Yes the scalers gamma control is awesome and can work great with the 7100.

I'l have to read PC review of the HD7100, I bet he mentioned the Optic's are special. If he didn't notice the clarity this lens does he missed a major plus the projector has.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Just finished reading Evan Powell's review of the 7100, and it is interesting to note that he thinks shadow detail on the 7100 is superior to the H79 in a side by side comparison, although others have criticized the 7100 in this regard.

He also mentions the high quality of the lens system used by the 7100, so it looks like you nailed that one Tom.

Also, interesting to note that there is no mention of screen door in his review. If he noticed it at all, he must not have been bothered by it. So overall Tom, it seems like your review of the 7100 in your original thread may have been right on the money.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

It's too bad about the problems that the 7100 has with the Toshiba HD-A1. This is a real deal breaker for me until they get this resolved, since I sold my Denon 2910 and replaced it with the Toshiba.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I do find it interesting though that the 7100 did not receive the "HIGHLY RATED" endorsement from PC.

I does look as though Tom/guitarman did "git it right" with his review. There is also a mention about the noise level of this projector, but it did not seem to be an issue in the review as some around here have made it to be.

The sync issues were also addressed briefly but no mention the other startup issue that is being seen. I guess that if you don't experience it, you can't report it.

I just hope the bugs get worked out and I can find a way around this projectors mounting requirements for my installation situation.

Regards,

RTROSE

RTROSE

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I am in the process of substituting out a SE 50HD (DLP Darkchip 2+) for a client and replacing it with this puppy. In looking for an inexpensive solution with a short throw distance comparable to the SE 50HD there just aren't many products available. So, when I ran across this one I naturally wanted to get something that throws a quality image. Not too many people have had a chance to review this projector and there wasn't much insight on the web so I took the chance and proceeded with it as the replacement. After receiving it and setting it up to see if my selection was a correct one I offer these insights to this unit.

1. It is no lie that the image out of the box is outstanding. First, what stands out is the color saturation. Simply they are vibrant and realistic. Second, the clarity of the image (480p from the source) is sharp and crisp. There is no need to turn the sharpness up (adding unwanted edge enhancement) to improve the image. In fact, the Normal setting seems ideal. Third, no screen door effect or Moire. The screen I set it up on was a high contrast gray, perforated, 106" diagonal.

2. Turning the Bright mode off puts the projector in the low brightness with the lower fan speed. Turning the Bright mode on puts it into high brightness and a louder fan speed. With bright mode off the image has plenty of punch to it, even with a small amount of light on. Like low accent lighting that does not interfere with the light path of the projector. The fan speed at this level is no problem whatsoever. I have not viewed it for any length of time with the bright mode on to really see if the fan noise is annoying. Although as soon as you go from bright mode off to on you notice the fan pick up speed immediately.

3. One problem I did notice was some mosquito noise mostly on video based material that has dark action scenes or fields of solid color like blue skies. I think this is why the 7300 was created. The 7300 appears to be the exact same projector with the addition of a scaler. This projector even has the model name 7300. The scaler provided seems to be one that is ideal for removing mosquito noise.

These are just a few observations fresh out of the box in a known test environment. Setup and Calibration at the clients house must still be done. But for all intensive purposes this is a step up from the SE 50HD for a lot less money. DLP projector price/performance just took a huge leap with this projector.

One thing to note about the short throw lens is that long lengths of cable become unncessary, if the equipment is located up front (as many DIY do it). The shorter length cables provide a less chance of degrading the image.

David Guill

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

David, did you see any RBE with the slower color wheel? Also does anyone know if the engine is sealed on this unit?

Thanks,
-Alex-

bairda

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David, did you see any RBE with the slower color wheel? Also does anyone know if the engine is sealed on this unit?

Thanks,
-Alex-
No, I did not see any RBE with this projector. Although, to tell you the truth I have only seen RBE in the first generation Sharp DLPs when they came out several years ago. The faster, multi-subdivided color wheels have done wonders for mitigating this effect for me and my clients. I have not looked under the cover to see if it has a sealed light path internal to the projector. That is a good point for dust collection. Earlier projectors (especially the SE 50HD) required frequent cleaning of the the filters. In looking over the documentation, cleaning the filters is not an issue, the documentation indicates that the projectors filters can be cleaned in place while ceiling mounted. This is pretty big issue for DIYers, making it a simpler DIY task rather than paying for the service.

David Guill

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Just received my HD7100 today and my HT is now nearly complete. I'm frustrated because all my toys (projector, receiver, xbox 360...) came within 1 day of each other so I haven't had time to set everything up yet. My problem is that Directv is coming tomorrow to hook up my HD service and they need for me to actually have an HD capable display working for them. I temporarily hooked up my HD7100 to the xbox 360, placed the PJ on a snack tray on my riser and played LOTR:Return of The King for a few scenes to test it out (no sound yet ). Now granted, I'm projecting onto 4x8 white panneling which is kind of glossy from Lowes but I was blown away by the picture. This is my first PJ so I don't have the frame of refrence that some of you do but I can say that so far, I'm very impressed. More reviews will follow after I'm fully set up.

I have one question. I've looked through the manual and some posts here but want to be absolutely certain of my next step. I'm planning on a 106" screen from Carada. My ceiling which is a drop ceiling is 86" off the ground. There is a 3" vailance that runs along the top of my screen wall. That leaves me with 83" from the top of the screen to the floor and I would like to keep the screen as high as possible. The Carada Criterion screens have a 3.5" frame around them so the actual screen material would start 79.5" off the floor or 6.5" off the ceiling. I should be receiving my Chief RPA-U mount tomorrow and want to know the height which I should mount the PJ. I need to run the mounting pipe through the drop ceiling and would like the PJ mounted as tight to the ceiling as possible but don't want to sacrifice having to angle the PJ or diminish PQ in anyway. With the offset capabilities in this PJ how far down off the ceiling should the center of my lense be? If the PJ is flush w/ the ceilng, the center of the lense would be 3 3/8" from the ceiling. Would this work? Do I have flexibilitiy to lower the PJ or does it need to be lower or higher, although I don't know if I can do higher. I'm a bit confused on how the math from the owners manual plays out in the real world.

Flyhigh

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I have one question. I've looked through the manual and some posts here but want to be absolutely certain of my next step. I'm planning on a 106" screen from Carada. My ceiling which is a drop ceiling is 86" off the ground. There is a 3" vailance that runs along the top of my screen wall. That leaves me with 83" from the top of the screen to the floor and I would like to keep the screen as high as possible. The Carada Criterion screens have a 3.5" frame around them so the actual screen material would start 79.5" off the floor or 6.5" off the ceiling. I should be receiving my Chief RPA-U mount tomorrow and want to know the height which I should mount the PJ. I need to run the mounting pipe through the drop ceiling and would like the PJ mounted as tight to the ceiling as possible but don't want to sacrifice having to angle the PJ or diminish PQ in anyway. With the offset capabilities in this PJ how far down off the ceiling should the center of my lense be? If the PJ is flush w/ the ceilng, the center of the lense would be 3 3/8" from the ceiling. Would this work? Do I have flexibilitiy to lower the PJ or does it need to be lower or higher, although I don't know if I can do higher. I'm a bit confused on how the math from the owners manual plays out in the real world.
Go with the projector flush to the drop cieling and you should be all right. with the manual lens shift on 106" diagonal screen you have 4.4" to play with. So 6 1/2 - 3 3/8 gives you a lens shift of 3 1/8. You are within the 4.4" lens shift for a 106" screen. The manual states there is a +- 3% on the 4.4". So in this scenario by mounting the projector upside down flush with the drop cieling you have to use the lens shift to adjust the image down to the top of the screen.

David Guill

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I'm fairly new to this stuff so bear with me.

I will be putting a dedicated home theater in my new house which will be finished this fall. The HD7100 really peaked my interest as the reviews state an unmatched picture quality for the price range.

Now all the problems that this projecter has seem to be directly linked to the introduction of a scalar or DVI to HDMI switch correct? I have a Denon 2910, upconverts to 720p and 1080i, that will move from my family room to the HT when I move, that has both DVI and HDMI outs. If I go DVI direct from the player to the projector will there be a problem? (This room will be for movies and nothing else) Do I need a scalar if my DVD player does it for me?

Also why is converting DVI to HDMI so common? I've read that the only difference is that HDMI carries audio as well which shouldn't matter if you're going to a projector. Also doesn't DVI sustain the signal over a greater length of cable than HDMI?

heney

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Heney

You should not have any issues with the Denon 2910 connected to the optoma. The problems that Guitarman talks about in previous posts are strictly related to the Toshiba HD DVD player.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Good to hear, I've still got a ways before I make a final decision, but that recent article on projectorcentral sold me. I was just about to consider forking out the extra for the h79, but to hear that the hd7100 looks as good, if not better than the h79, for a fraction of the price in music to my ears.

Anyone know how this projector would work as Constant Height? Would I need a scalar for the squeeze?

heney

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Title pretty much says it all -- I am on 6100 feet elevation and I know that HD7100 is not altitude rated (at least no mention of it in the manual) -- PJ will be used in dedicated HT room in the basement where the temp is never higher than 70 F -- will that make a difference since temperature is pretty low to start with ?

Thanks, Davie.

eclipse98

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Anyone know how this projector would work as Constant Height?
Due to the short throw, the 7100 is not a good candidate for constant height.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Eclipse

I am in Denver also and I use an H77 in a basement HT with no problems. I would think the 7100 would be fine also.

phisch

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

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Anyone know how this projector would work as Constant Height? Would I need a scalar for the squeeze?
phisch got right to the point. Short throw PJs suffer notable pincushioning of the image. Depending on the anamorphic lens you may also suffer unwanted vignetting. The only way I know to combat these issues is to collapse the image inside a border, which is just the opposite direction you want to go. Many PJs support this option, so no scaler is required.

CMRA

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Hmmm.... well the constant height issue may turn problematic. I'm not 100% sold on them yet, as a lot of my collection is old animated flicks in 1.33:1. I love the look of it, and agree that 2.35:1 should be the largest format, but this projectors reviews are tough to beat for the money.

How long of a throw would you need to get rid of all that "pincushioning"?

heney

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

great thread on the hd7100 and the scaler that we all will probably be buying in a month...

http://aving.hankooki.com/news/defau...16105&BTE_num=

FlawlessOne

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Eclipse

I am in Denver also and I use an H77 in a basement HT with no problems. I would think the 7100 would be fine also.
phisch,

There are lots of PJs that work fine on elevation -- I use Sharp Z2000 and have no problems -- I am afraid that one can't make a conclusion on how well HD7100 works on elevation based on a completely different PJ, even if it comes from the same manufacturer.

Davie.

eclipse98

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

There is a $300 rebate on the 7100 until 6/30!
What to do?!?!


Dave Mack

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Like I have mentioned, I have given up on this one and am ordering either the Mitsubishi WD2000U or the BenQ 8720. I will be ordering tomorrow. After two failed 7100 units I am looking elsewhere. It's really a shame because I loved the picture quality. I hope which ever one I end up with compares closely. I can't help but think that they are doing the rebate because word is out on the reliability and problems.

rking401

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Like I have mentioned, I have given up on this one and am ordering either the Mitsubishi WD2000U or the BenQ 8720. I will be ordering tomorrow. After two failed 7100 units I am looking elsewhere. It's really a shame because I loved the picture quality. I hope which ever one I end up with compares closely. I can't help but think that they are doing the rebate because word is out on the reliability and problems.
I am in the same boat...got a 7100 and love the picture....BUT I notice a variance between the left and right side screen brightness, had failure (twice so far) for ignition of the lamp on power up (had to pull the cord to correct), and I have seen some rainbows that I normally don't see with my current benq 8700. I have also noticed a weird flickering in a DVI connection to my HTPC which may or may not be a problem with the projector (I haven't noticed it with my 8700+ so I suspect the PJ).

It is really too bad that this projector has these problems. When the projector is working correctly...especially with an HD signal, the view is stunning. Dark blacks, vibrant color, sharp as a tack, and very bright (even in low mode on a 118" screen). It exceeds the darkchip 2, 8700+ in picture quality by a good third to a half (IMHO).

Why can't companies like Optoma and Samsung (with the 710) fix these deal killers? This is such a good projector when it is working correctly. Is there a curse with the 710x model #'s?

I am considering a Benq 8720. My other benq has been super reliable and I hear great things about this model.

-Alex-

bairda

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Quote:
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I can't help but think that they are doing the rebate because word is out on the reliability and problems.
Hmmm, interesting. I have not heard word out there that this projector is having problems. Not much word on the thread or others of problems. Just you two. Are there others?

David Guill

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Hmmm, interesting. I have not heard word out there that this projector is having problems. Not much word on the thread or others of problems. Just you two. Are there others?
You are correct that two bad experiences don't necessarily indicate a endemic fault in the projector model. I could have gotten a lemon.

I would be very interested in hearing more opinions on the 7100. The price for the image is unbeliveable. I would love it if the build quality and reliability is of the same caliber.

Since it is generally agreed that the image quality is excellent, lets hear from some owners on the lamp strike, reliability and other features of the projector.

-Alex-

bairda

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Actually, I have had two of two units fail on me, so, between the two of us we have three failures. I agree on the picture quality. I hate to let it go, but I want something reliable.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I've been watching mine with no problems, heading up to the 400hr level. Deadwood tonight, very CRT like.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I am a little unnerved to read about the reliability problems given that I'm wondering about the HD7100 after having been scared off by the problems so many have reported with the Samsung SP-H710AE.

Has anyone measured the accuracy of the HD7100's primaries and secondaries, using ColorFacts or equivalent? One of the aspects of the Samsung 710 that had interested me was its automated service menu calibration procedure. And on my NEC HT1000 I use the "Color Correction" adjustments to get each of RGBCYM to be as close to their ideal coordinates as I can manage (I've found this most especially helpful for yellow with the HT1000). I don't see any adjustments like this in the HD7100's online manual (although I haven't read anything about its service menu?). So, I'm wondering if anyone has measured how accurate the HD7100's RGBCYM are out of the box (or rather after its grayscale has been optimized).

-- Peter

pjones

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Guitarman, any idea why they are doing the rebate since this PJ is already way cheaper than the competition or even the HD78 or 79?
And what will happen after 6/30? Price drop? Free lamp or another rebate?

d

I assume that this will look considerably better than the IN76, yes?

Dave Mack

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Guitarman, any idea why they are doing the rebate since this PJ is already way cheaper than the competition or even the HD78 or 79?
I've never seen any numbers, but I suspect that this projector does not sell very well for Optoma - hence the rebates and continued price reductions. Not nearly as many people talk about this projector as they did about the H77-79 pj's.

phisch

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I've never seen any numbers, but I suspect that this projector does not sell very well for Optoma - hence the rebates and continued price reductions. Not nearly as many people talk about this projector as they did about the H77-79 pj's.
Which is odd since this is clearly a better projector. Are the other lower cost DLPs (IN76, HD72,) selling well? Could slower sales be indicating that there is saturation in the projector market?

Rking401 could you be having power problems that are causing the lamps to misfire? What projector did you have in there originally?

David Guill

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

This was an upgrade from the InFocus X1 which I never had a problem with. There was someone else who had a similar problem who posted in a thread that was deleted a while back. I wish that person would show up and post here also.

rking401

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Guitarman, any idea why they are doing the rebate since this PJ is already way cheaper than the competition or even the HD78 or 79?
And what will happen after 6/30? Price drop? Free lamp or another rebate?

d

I assume that this will look considerably better than the IN76, yes?

Actually the free bulb promo passed by already and the rebate has just started. The free bulb was probably a better deal. My guess is the bulb is expensive, it comes from Germany not Phillips this time. Anyway at least there's a $300 cash rebate, started to speed up sales.

The HD7100 looks extremely good next to the HD72 HD2+ chip, isn't that model similar to the IN76? I was able to compare these many times. Twice the contrast, twice the black level, way better optics clarity. The 7100 is a DC3 and a darn good one at that. I was able to test out a much higher CR on the HD7100 than the HD72 (2000.1), H77 (2300.1), H79 (2900.1), HD7100 (4300.1).

The 4300.1 measurement is the highest CR any projector ever tested at in my home. The CR, blacks and this Lens I keep talking about is the reason I asked to buy the projector for myself. The 30day trial was running out and after comparing it to what I had (HT1000 & HD72) I just didn't want to go back down.

I'm hoping this 720p machine can keep me from spending six or seven thousand on a 1080p machine.

As far as track record, I bet we can do some searching on the HD2 model this platform used over in Europe. Maybe we can find out how well the machine performed reliability wise. For sure the bulb should be better.

Thought you would like to know. I just tested the light output at 370hrs. I got 18.00ftc in bright mode and 14.50ftc in econo. Pretty sure when it was new I got 18.50ftc in bright mode so the bulb is holding up very good.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I wonder how much more performance you'd be getting from a HD7300 when this HD7100 already surpasses the H79.

But then, for a couple of thousands more you can own either a HD81 or any other 1080p in competition.

I'm still deciding wether to spend an under 2.5K pj upgrade soon or just wait towards the end of the year for a 6K 1080p.

Ximori

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Thought you would like to know. I just tested the light output at 370hrs. I got 18.00ftc in bright mode and 14.50ftc in econo. Pretty sure when it was new I got 18.50ftc in bright mode so the bulb is holding up very good.
Tom, isn't 1 ftc = 1 ftL for a 1.0 gain screen, or is there a factor I'm leaving out? If not, this seems like a pretty dim pic.

millerwill

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Thanks for the info. Tom.
What to do?!?!?
(well, until someone buys my old PJ, I can't do squat!)


Dave Mack

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Originally Posted by millerwill
Tom, isn't 1 ftc = 1 ftL for a 1.0 gain screen, or is there a factor I'm leaving out? If not, this seems like a pretty dim pic.
My screen a 92"X52" 106" diag.
18.50ftc X 33.222221 (33.222221 is my screens sqft) = 615.6 lumens

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

This is wierd I can't get the HDA1 not to work with the HD7100 and Scaler combo. Everything I throw at it today works. That's the HDA1's HDMI out to the Scaler by a 6' HDMI cable, the player's set at 1080i, 1080i is converted to 720p and sent to the PJ via 25' HDMI cable w/HDMI to DVI adaptor. Trying to figure what changed.

1. I start up the projector.
2. I power up the Gennum scaler
3. I power up the Tosh HDA1
No problems at all today, but can it last.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

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My screen a 92"X52" 106" diag.
18.50ftc X 33.222221 (33.222221 is my screens sqft) = 615.6 lumens
Thanks, Tom. So with a 119" Highpower I calculate 616 Lumens x 2.8 (gain)/42 ft^2 = 41 ftL, or 32ftL in low power mode. Should be nice and bright!

millerwill

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

You'll have ft-lamberts to spare.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pjones
I am a little unnerved to read about the reliability problems given that I'm wondering about the HD7100 after having been scared off by the problems so many have reported with the Samsung SP-H710AE.

Has anyone measured the accuracy of the HD7100's primaries and secondaries, using ColorFacts or equivalent? One of the aspects of the Samsung 710 that had interested me was its automated service menu calibration procedure. And on my NEC HT1000 I use the "Color Correction" adjustments to get each of RGBCYM to be as close to their ideal coordinates as I can manage (I've found this most especially helpful for yellow with the HT1000). I don't see any adjustments like this in the HD7100's online manual (although I haven't read anything about its service menu?). So, I'm wondering if anyone has measured how accurate the HD7100's RGBCYM are out of the box (or rather after its grayscale has been optimized).

-- Peter
Ok the scaler does have control over RGBCYM. In the Advanced menu's under Color Vividness User there's 15 steps of control over RGBCYM, a color like Magenta can be controled in 15 steps under Saturation and Hue, each with 15 steps.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

This thread REALLY needs to be moved to the >$3500 forum now as the MSRP has dropped to $3499 and it's streeting for under $3K.

Dave Mack

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This thread REALLY needs to be moved to the >$3500 forum now as the MSRP has dropped to $3499 and it's streeting for under $3K.
I think you really mean <$3500.

FremontRich

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Whoops! Yes. duh

Dave Mack

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Finally good news, I posted earlier that the HD-A1 would not work with the Optoma HD7100, no matter what I did I could not get the two to work together with the HDMI hookup, not knowing whether it was the Toshiba or the Optoma I bought a Samsung Blu-Ray player tonight and it worked perfect with the Optoma the first time without any problems. So Blu-Ray works, HD-DVD donít.

thpletcher

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

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Originally Posted by guitarman
Ok the scaler does have control over RGBCYM. In the Advanced menu's under Color Vividness User there's 15 steps of control over RGBCYM, a color like Magenta can be controled in 15 steps under Saturation and Hue, each with 15 steps.
Interesting-- but you know of no such controls on the HD7100 itself? (I would be using a different scaler, DVDO VP30.) And if the scaler->projector link is 8-bit RGB, I would think that I would rather make such corrections on the projector side.

So have you happened to measure the accuracy of the HD7100's native RGBCYM colors with ColorFacts (compared to the SMPTE-C standard)?

-- Peter

pjones

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Ok the scaler does have control over RGBCYM. In the Advanced menu's under Color Vividness User there's 15 steps of control over RGBCYM, a color like Magenta can be controled in 15 steps under Saturation and Hue, each with 15 steps.
Have you had a chance to play around with this any? If it works as advertised, this promises virtually perfect color decoding for any display the scaler is feeding. Sounds nice.

TomHuffman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

There are a lot of projectors that have their MSRP dropped (in fact it happens to most projectors) but I haven't seen a lot of threads moved to the other forum. Any particular reason why these threads REALLY need to be moved?

sethk

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Haven't tried the item yet. Here's some views of the menu system.

http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000menu1.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000menu2.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000menu3.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000menu4.jpg

http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000remote.jpg

guitarman

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There are a lot of projectors that have their MSRP dropped (in fact it happens to most projectors) but I haven't seen a lot of threads moved to the other forum. Any particular reason why these threads REALLY need to be moved?
We typically move threads up to this forum when they jump out of our category, so I would expect the same to happen. Saves multiple threads discussing the exact same thing. Typically we only count the MSRP of when the projector premiers when sorting it.

madpoet

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We typically move threads up to this forum when they jump out of our category, so I would expect the same to happen. Saves multiple threads discussing the exact same thing. Typically we only count the MSRP of when the projector premiers when sorting it.
That's what I though, that the initial MSRP is considered, which is why I was surprised that several people were asking for thread moves.

Regarding the 7100, I have a question:
Can any owners tell me if it will sync a 48hz signal (at 720p) over VGA or DVI? How about 50hz?

Thanks!

sethk

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

The thread should be moved IMHO because people who aren't willing to even look at any PJs in this thread due to the $3500 and up price won't see it.


Dave Mack

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Guitarman, Obviously the processor will really clean up the image but do you find that the HD3000 brings out more shadow detail in this projector that wasn't there before?

yocozuna55

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Is the 7100 + processor identical to the 7300?

millerwill

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

I've just purchased an HD7100, and I love the picture. But I've been having some synching problems too--plus another problem I wondered about: There's a streak of light in the lower left corner of the screen, as if the pj is reflecting extra light there--it spills outside the image, but it's on the image too. It comes from the lens--not ambient light or light spillage from the unit--it's an extra streak of light. It's invisible during bright scenes, but it pops out in dark scenes and is quite visible when I project no input.

Am I being too fussy, and will all units have some quirk like this, or is this unusual?

Thanks!
--johnmn

johnmn

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Can you post a pic johnmn?

I don't think that a NEW projector costing several thousand dollars should have ANY gross problems such as:
  • lamp failure or ignition problems
  • sync problems for common sources and sync rates
  • lens problems of any kind
  • unusual noise

Any of these I would consider defects and send the projector back for either replacement or refund.

-Alex-

bairda

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by yocozuna55
Guitarman, Obviously the processor will really clean up the image but do you find that the HD3000 brings out more shadow detail in this projector that wasn't there before?
There's much more control to open up images with the scaler which is not just a deinterlacer scaler a large part of it is video related. I didn't have a hard time getting a 2.2gamma out of the HD7100 but the scaler can open up shadow detail much more effectively. Plus the B&W Extension feature can turn the image light up very high. It can create much more pop, great for daytime viewing. The manual claims B&W Extension can stretch the black and white levels to automatically increase the contrast of the input image.

Here's a look at an image with BW extension plus some Edge ehancement. Took this last night from a House re-run (Fox)
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000bwextension1.jpg

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Who is the OEM for the Optoma HD3000 video processor? What chip set does it use?

David Guill

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

It's made by Optoma in Taiwan, the deinterlacing chip is made by the Gennum Corp.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000box1.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd3000box2.jpg
http://www.gennum.com/ip/index.html

Tons of those boxes are lining up at the Optoma Factory launch s/b very soon.

guitarman

Official Optoma HD7100 HD7300 HD3000 Scaler thread.

Tom

Is this the same processor that is going to be used with the HD81?

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