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Question San Antonio TX HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Updated: 2008-05-23 09:30:16 (3375)
San Antonio TX HDTV

KSAT(ABC 48-1) joined KENS(CBS 55-1&2) and KMOL(NBC 58-1) on the air this morning. In order of received signal strength at my house it's 48-58-55.

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San Antonio TX HDTV

What is the point of the ksym channel I have yet to see an hd programming on this station the only thing that I think that it might be good for is the spurs.

Shunopoli

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shunopoli
What is the point of the ksym channel I have yet to see an hd programming on this station the only thing that I think that it might be good for is the spurs.
They told me last year that starting with this season they would be broadcasting their Spurs games in HD. I haven't had a chance to see if they are carrying any pre-season games to verify.

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

HI all,
First post, I'm a newbe but have been in the electronics industry for over 30
years but am confused when I look at the antenna suggestions on antennaWeb.

This is what I see on AntennaWeb after giving my street address in universal city.
DTV Antenna
Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live Date Compass Orientation Miles From Frequenc Assignment
* yellow - uhf KABB-DT 29.1 FOX SAN ANTONIO TX 168? 18.4 30
* yellow - uhf KSAT-DT 12.1 ABC SAN ANTONIO TX 166? 19.9 48
* yellow - uhf KWEX-DT 41.1 UNI SAN ANTONIO TX 165? 18.3 39
* yellow - uhf KVDA-DT 38.1 TEL SAN ANTONIO TX 165? 18.3 38
* yellow - uhf WOAI-DT 4.1 NBC SAN ANTONIO TX 167? 19.9 58
* green - vhf KLRN-DT 9.1 PBS SAN ANTONIO TX 185? 16.1 8
* red - uhf KHCE-DT 16.1 TBN SAN ANTONIO TX 165? 18.6 16
* red - vhf KCWX-DT 2.1 CW FREDERICKSBURG TX 01-09 330? 44.1 5
* red - uhf KENS-DT 5.1 CBS SAN ANTONIO TX 167? 19.9 55
* violet - uhf KMYS-DT 35.1 MNT KERRVILLE TX 270? 35.5 32

ABC, NBC and FOX are all about 19 miles away and the antenna suggestion is "yellow", a small multi-directional unit.

CBS looks to share the same antenna location with ABC and NBC (all are 19.9 miles away at 166/167 degrees) but the recommendation for CBS is red, medium directional unit which is 3 steps up
from the Yellow?
What am I missing? I'm assuming that the stations are transmitting at the same power and they appear to be at the same location.

Anybody have any ideas why the "red" recommendation for CBS but "yellow'
antenna for the rest?

Just about the only tv we watch is on CBS and I would like to break the TW
connection. I don't want to put up a lot more antenna than I need to get the job done but also don't want to buy one that is not up to getting CBS.

I'm interested in the digital HDTV signal only, we don't watch any Std Def tv anymore so analog is not a concern.

Second question:
Is the channel mapping for SA finalized yet? From what I've read, I think
that only PBS may still be on a VHF with everything else on UHF.

Thanks in advance.

jacobplittleman

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobplittleman
HI all,
...I'm a newbe but have been in the electronics industry for over 30
years but am confused when I look at the antenna suggestions on antennaWeb...ABC, NBC and FOX are all about 19 miles away and the antenna suggestion is "yellow," a small multi-directional unit.

CBS looks to share the same antenna location with ABC and NBC...but the recommendation for CBS is "red," medium directional unit which is 3 steps up
from the Yellow?
What am I missing? I'm assuming that the stations are transmitting at the same power and they appear to be at the same location.

I'm interested in the digital HDTV signal only, we don't watch any Std Def tv anymore so analog is not a concern.

Second question:
Is the channel mapping for SA finalized yet? From what I've read, I think
that only PBS may still be on a VHF with everything else on UHF.

Thanks in advance.
Jacob,
first, KENS-DT shares a tower with WOAI-DT just east of Elmendorf, Texas. We are 3/4 mile from KABB-DT and about a mile from KSAT-DT. All of the DTV stations are operating with nearly the same amount of power, (800 - 1000 Kw) so the antenna that works for one of us should work for all of us. From Universal City I would use a small directional UHF/VHF combo antenna if I could find one. A medium Directional (red) UHF/VHF antenna will afford better gain in the direction it is pointed and better resistance to multipath.

I have no idea why the antenna selector recommends a red antenna only for KENS, unless you have two-story buildings or obstructions nearby in the path - but that will affect all stations, not just KENS.

Next, the final DTV allocations for San Antonio were announced a while back. Coolriver shared this data on some of the local DTV channels in his October 3 post:

KABB 30 same uhf 30
KWEX 39 uhf 41
KENS 55 uhf 39
KLRN 8 vhf 9
KSAT 48 uhf drops to vhf 12
WOAI 58 uhf 48

You can look up other DTV allocations here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=823166

I added the KWEX info since KENS will operate on their interim channel after Feb. 18, 2009. As you can see, there will be quite a bit of coordinating going on. KLRN and KSAT both will return to their VHF channels. KCWX, which already is difficult to receive in San Antonio, will move to DTV channel 5 (VHF,) but it is questionable as to whether we will be able to receive the DTV station here.

Realthogue

San Antonio TX HDTV

You're a very astute listener, Chris.

We have been experimenting with light compression on the analog microphone inputs to our new digital audio console. Our goal is to eliminate the digital clipping that has occurred at times when the a-to-d converters are overdriven. We didn't want to limit the levels too severely but we intend to stop the distortion and maintain sufficient headroom for good dynamic range.

We'll continue to fine-tune our audio until we get the sound we want with consistent results.

Realthogue

San Antonio TX HDTV

Ah! That's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying that. In one of my past lives I was a part time audio mixer for a studio. I pick on on stuff like that fairly quickly.

Like I said before, it does sound different but definitely not worse. Actually for the early morning broadcast (at 5am) the compression helps. My ears don't usually wake up until about 7. LOL

Chris Blount

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
I talked to them recently about this and they just said in the next few months. I asked how would we know and they said something in the mail. I hope 'major' includes FOX. So AFAIK the answer is not yet.

I've heard that Direct-TV went live with local HD's as of Wednesday, Sept. 13.

sanewsdude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanewsdude
I've heard that Direct-TV went live with local HD's as of Wednesday, Sept. 13.
I checked DirecTV's website and it appears that KENS, KABB & KSAT are now available in HD. One thing that is curious to me...If Sinclair will allow their "precious" Fox HD signal to be carried, why not WOAI?

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley_Dude
I checked DirecTV's website and it appears that KENS, KABB & KSAT are now available in HD. One thing that is curious to me...If Sinclair will allow their "precious" Fox HD signal to be carried, why not WOAI?
And those transponders would be????

I am obviously so confused. Coming from the LA area I expected the channels to be some abc or xyz or qfr. The LA stations are NOT transmitted in HD on their original numbers like 2,4,7&11. They are up in the 80s. I expected SA HD to have their own set.

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
And those transponders would be????
Not sure on transponders...the channels are 5, 12 and 29 just like their current location on DirecTV's guide.

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley_Dude
Not sure on transponders...the channels are 5, 12 and 29 just like their current location on DirecTV's guide.
Now I know I'm confused. If SA HD signals are now transmitted on 5, 12 & 29 then those that do not have an HD receiver will not see the picture. But obviously I don't understand the whole picture. There is more to this than 5,12 & 29.

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
Now I know I'm confused. If SA HD signals are now transmitted on 5, 12 & 29 then those that do not have an HD receiver will not see the picture. But obviously I don't understand the whole picture. There is more to this than 5,12 & 29.
DirecTV is pretty much plug and play. I'm guessing if you have an HD receiver, you will get the locals in HD and if you have an SD receiver, you will see them in SD.

When I was a customer, all I had to do was enter a channel into my remote. That's not saying things haven't changed in the past 9 months though

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Don't HD Locals require the 5 LNB dish and an MPEG4 receiver?

joealtus

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley_Dude
I checked DirecTV's website and it appears that KENS, KABB & KSAT are now available in HD. One thing that is curious to me...If Sinclair will allow their "precious" Fox HD signal to be carried, why not WOAI?
Where did you see that on the website? I've only found this page:

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packPr...ssetId=1100086

joealtus

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by joealtus
Don't HD Locals require the 5 LNB dish and an MPEG4 receiver?
I believe that be so. I have the 5LNB dish and the new DTV HD is getting FOX in HD. However the ole DTC-100 isn't. I still wonder how they transmit both.

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

I am sorry if this has been addressed on this thread, but I want to try and get the most up to date info on my 2 questions. Thanks for any help you can provide!!!

I am a current Dish customer, and Dish has had the SA locals since May 2006. Dish only has Fox, ABC, and CBS. Dish claims the hold up is b/c NBC hasn't signed the re-broadcast agreement. This make no sense to me b/c TWC has had it for a long time.

1. Does DTV have NBC/WOAI in HDTV?


More importantly, if you have DISH or DTV, please provide feedback on the quality of your FOX HD broadcast. My FOX HD looks worse than the SD version. It is extremely obvious when watching footlball on Sundays. Dish claims it is not their problem b/c they are just rebroadcasting the poor signal that the local affiliate sends them. Therefore, the only solution is an OTA antenna. I just moved from Houson, and the the picture there on FOX was awesone.

2. Is anyone on Dish or DTV having this problem??

If so, please call DISH or DTV to let them know. They claimed that I was the only one with this issue, but I read a few posts on satellitegus.us that had similar issues. Maybe if enough people complain, KABB might do something. Otherwise, they will think their PQ is just fine.

Playmaker

San Antonio TX HDTV

I have contacted DISH and just contacted KABB by email. I agree the KABB HD signal is real bad and unacceptable. I will keep bugging DISH and KABB until it is resolved. I switched from TWC to DISH for the extra HD and because they had KABB so I will not rest until it is fixed and the OTA antenna idea sucks. I don't want to do that. That is a pain and I should not have to do that. Keep calling DISH and KABB if you have this problem.

jmjunkin

San Antonio TX HDTV

Which do you guys think is better... Dish or Direct TV? I'm looking to possibly switch from TWC. I wonder which is better.

sanewsdude

San Antonio TX HDTV

I have a question. A little off topic but here it is.

Does TWC San Antonio serve any HD channels that can be picked up with a QAM tuner? I am in the market for a new TV however it does not have a QAM tuner. I figure as I have for the last three years just use my antenna outside to pick up HD channels but if TWC does offer digitally unencrypted channels, then maybe I should reconsider.

Alexmm

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmjunkin
I have contacted DISH and just contacted KABB by email. I agree the KABB HD signal is real bad and unacceptable. I will keep bugging DISH and KABB until it is resolved. I switched from TWC to DISH for the extra HD and because they had KABB so I will not rest until it is fixed and the OTA antenna idea sucks. I don't want to do that. That is a pain and I should not have to do that. Keep calling DISH and KABB if you have this problem.
Who did you email at KABB? I have contacted DISH 3 times this week, and everytime I call they act like it is a new complaint.

Playmaker

San Antonio TX HDTV

I just went to the KABB website and emailed their Enginerring Dept. and then I just emailed the regular KABB site. THey have not emailed me back yet but I will keep it up and call if I have too.

jmjunkin

San Antonio TX HDTV

What kind of signal strength are you guys picking up for KABB compared to FOX? I always thought they were on the same tower but I have never picked up a signal for KABB while FOX is at 60% or so (just guessing, it isn't the strongest though).

Alexmm

San Antonio TX HDTV

I just called KABB's engineering Dept. They told me they were unaware of this problem. He took my number and told me he would call DISH and investigate it. Everyone with this problem should call KABB's engineering Dept. and tell them the same thing I did and also call DISH too. Eventually, one of them will figure it out if we keep at them about it.

jmjunkin

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanewsdude
Which do you guys think is better... Dish or Direct TV? I'm looking to possibly switch from TWC. I wonder which is better.
I recommend going to http://www.dbstalk.com and posting your question there. You should find the answers you need.

Chris Blount

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmjunkin
I just called KABB's engineering Dept. They told me they were unaware of this problem. He took my number and told me he would call DISH and investigate it. Everyone with this problem should call KABB's engineering Dept. and tell them the same thing I did and also call DISH too. Eventually, one of them will figure it out if we keep at them about it.
I emailed KABB this morning, and I just received a response. Basically, Dish says it is KABB poor signal they are sending to DISH. KABB says their signal is fine, and it is DISH's rebroadcast! The only good news so far is that KABB has formally complained to DISH about the poor signal.

I also just called DISH for the forth time this week. They have no updates, and I do not even know if they are taking my complaint seriously.

Playmaker

San Antonio TX HDTV

After getting some clarification from KABB, here is some more accurate information I found out today....

KABB is not reactively pointing fingers at DISH. DISH does not have a direct fiber optic line to obtain the signal directly from the KABB Master Control. They are rebroadcasting KABB's OTA HD signal. Anyone with an OTA tuner can verify that the OTA signal is not poor quality. It is very obvious who has the problem. Secondly, KABB seems very willing and responsive to help DISH and the viewers with this issue.

I have called DISH 5 times, and get the same b.s. from the customer service rep, and can not get anyone form the DISH engineering department to talk to me. I have no idea how seriously they are taking this issue. On the other hand, after one email to KABB, I have received 3 responses in less than 4 hours with very explanatory information.

The part that upsets me the most is that DISH gets my $120+ every month, and I can not get a decent response from the company I personally fund.

I would recommend that everyone continue to complain about the quality of service DISH is providing. Tell other DISH subscribers to likewise call and complain.

Playmaker

San Antonio TX HDTV

Have you tried sending an e-mail to ceo@echostar.com?

rad

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by joealtus
Where did you see that on the website? I've only found this page:

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packPr...ssetId=1100086
It's on the main page under "Packages & Programming" and then "Locals". Put in a San Antonio zipcode and it will show you the locals currently available.

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Cowboys game on Sunday Night (NBC):

I've got macro blocking on TWC and OTA. Anybody else seeing this?

Ken I.

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken I.
Cowboys game on Sunday Night (NBC):

I've got macro blocking on TWC and OTA. Anybody else seeing this?
WOAI had bad macroblocking last week on the Sunday Night game, and on the season opener too. Same with tonight. They've also got some weird echo sound on some of the commercials, like the Peyton Manning Sprint commercial.

I've emailed WOAI before about the quality of their broadcast, but they go ignored.

joealtus

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken I.
Cowboys game on Sunday Night (NBC):
I've got macro blocking on TWC and OTA. Anybody else seeing this?
There's a bit of an overcast left from the storm and that means from 75 miles away my old 93" Winegard is providing a beautiful HD picture. Unfortunately the Redskins just ran a kickoff back for a touchdown.

This Wed they are pouring the pad and putting in the first section of a 40' tower. Hopefully I won't have to rely on bad weather to get HD.

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
There's a bit of an overcast left from the storm and that means from 75 miles away my old 93" Winegard is providing a beautiful HD picture. Unfortunately the Redskins just ran a kickoff back for a touchdown.

This Wed they are pouring the pad and putting in the first section of a 40' tower. Hopefully I won't have to rely on bad weather to get HD.
I'm glad you're getting a great picture - odd since my OTA signal was no better than cable. A lot of people are complaining in the national thread, too; so, it seems like it's not just WOAI.

Ken I.

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken I.
I'm glad you're getting a great picture - odd since my OTA signal was no better than cable. A lot of people are complaining in the national thread, too; so, it seems like it's not just WOAI.
Being new here, what is macroblocking? And since there is bad macroblocking is there good macroblocking?

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
Being new here, what is macroblocking? And since there is bad macroblocking is there good macroblocking?
Portions of the screen are broken up into blocks causing a distortion to the picture.

I don't think there is any "good" macroblocking but I'm no expert. I think the only "good" is when it's not visible.

Nice of WOAI to lose our signal.

Ken I.

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmjunkin
I emailed ceo@echostar.com and asked about this and complained and would suggest more of you do the same then maybe it will help.
I would also email Eric Sahl, Sr VP of Programming at DISH directly at eric.sahl@echostar.com and voice your concern.

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley_Dude
I would also email Eric Sahl, Sr VP of Programming at DISH directly at eric.sahl@echostar.com and voice your concern.

I did. I take it you did also?

jmjunkin

San Antonio TX HDTV

Remember that WOAI-TV is for sale, along with the other Clear Channel TV stations. Maybe the station's next owner will be able to cut a deal with Echostar.

BarsAntone

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmjunkin
I did. I take it you did also?
I did and have still heard nothing back. It would be great if everyone reading this thread would take time to send him an email asking for status on WOAI in HD, even if you are not an Echostar subscriber

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

My note sent:

Dear Mr. Sahl:

I live about 75 miles from the antenna farm for San Antonio located at Elmendorf, TX. I use a powerful OTA setup to receive HD on WOAI channel 4 simply because Dish doesn't offer that local channel. Quite often, however, weather or atmospheric problems cause me to miss important shows.

I have been a Dish subscriber for years and years and would like to know, please, if you have the time, if there are plans to add WOAI to your local channel HD service that I pay extra to have. WOAI carries many programs in HD and I would prefer to see them with full quality video and audio.

I was told that WOAI does want to be offered through Dish, but that it is you who are holding up the negotiations! If this is true, can you please suggest ways that I and other HD subscribers in the area can help resolve the situation?

Respectful Thanks,

Edward Scott
Utopia, TX 78884

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

Isn't Dish just going to blame the thing on WOAI? Who knows who is really at fault here. Rewording the WOAI reply from DISH's view:

"We share your frustration. The "hold up" is with WOAI. They have failed to reach a satisfactory carriage agreement with our company. As a local resident, you should express your frustration to them and demand that they lower their demands so that the local NBC affiliate station that YOU wish to watch will be a part of your package!

We appreciate your comments and desire to watch WOAI-TV. Please assist us in encouraging WOAI to reach an agreement to be carried on DISH."

joealtus

San Antonio TX HDTV

Possibly, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. If the executives on both sides start getting enough complaints to their personal email at the company, then it becomes top of mind awareness for them.

I've got more done with a 2 paragraph email to an executive within a company than I did with 3 months of going back and forth with their front line of customer service.

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by joealtus
Isn't Dish just going to blame the thing on WOAI? Who knows who is really at fault here. Rewording the WOAI reply from DISH's view:

"We share your frustration. The "hold up" is with WOAI. They have failed to reach a satisfactory carriage agreement with our company. As a local resident, you should express your frustration to them and demand that they lower their demands so that the local NBC affiliate station that YOU wish to watch will be a part of your package!

We appreciate your comments and desire to watch WOAI-TV. Please assist us in encouraging WOAI to reach an agreement to be carried on DISH."

That is why I sent an email to both companies. I asked WOAI if they got the same offer DISH gave to the other networks in S.A. If they did then it is WOAI that is at fault. If DISH lowballed them compared to the other 3 then the blame belongs on DISH. In my opinion of course. I have gotten no response as of yet from either side on this but will keep at it. We had a problem last year with the FOX feed on DISh as it was grainy compared to KENS and KSAT. It took a while but myself and others that complained finally got them to fix it and it looks great now.

jmjunkin

San Antonio TX HDTV

Yes both sides are pretty unrelenting it seems, and anxious to use the customer as a tool against the opposition. But as you guys said, squeaky wheels... probably helped with our KSAT stretchovision problem and the WOAI dropouts as well.

Jerry, I have a question for you... you said KENS plans to go HD on the news broadcasts soon and it occurred to me that this probably means a LOT of new cameras and equipment... just how many HD cameras would be needed if you plan to equip your remote crews as well? I mean I guess it's possible to jump back and forth or to blow up the old camera framing to fill the HD screens, but is it allowed for you to educate us on things like that?

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Scott

...KENS plans to go HD on the news broadcasts soon and it occurred to me that this probably means a LOT of new cameras and equipment... just how many HD cameras would be needed if you plan to equip your remote crews as well?
Ed,

Soon is a relative term, but if all goes well we will do news in HD within 18 months. All of our studio cameras already are HD. What remains to be replaced are the expensive bits: HD production switcher, HD router and a handful of other things. I cannot lay ALL our cards oin the table just now, but suffice it to say that new HD ENG cameras will be phased in gradually. We will use our best SD cameras in a wide screen mode to minimize "aspect shock" as we introduce HD field cameras.

569 days 'til digital sunrise

Realthogue

San Antonio TX HDTV

Thanks, Jerry... it's really exciting to me to watch you guys beat the 'sunrise' as you call it. Exciting also to know that you'll soon thereafter be doing local sports in HD!

and as for the Dish/WOAI negotiations, here's the pretty much as expected response from dish:

Edward,



Thanks for your interest in DISH network. We are unfortunately unable to offer WOAI in HD at this time because we do not have digital carriage rights with the Stationís ownership entity. We are however, in negotiations and hope to reach an agreement for such rights. Please know that both sides are working diligently to come to a fair agreement. Again thank you for your subscription to DISH. Please contact me with any questions. Thanks,



Erin



Erin McIlvain

General Manager of Programming

EchoStar Satellite, LLC - DISH Network

9601S. Meridian Boulevard

Englewood, CO 80112

Tel: 303.723.1833 Fax: 303.723.1999

Email: erin.mcilvain@echostar.com

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

I called that number and spoke to Erin. She said that negotiations with Clear Channel were actively moving along and that they hoped to have something to announce soon. At first she thought I was a reporter because I was asking specifics on digital carriage agreements and how DISH's offer compared to those that WOAI was getting from TWC, DirecTV, etc. I told her that I was a concerned future customer that would make the switch from TWC as soon as WOAI was in HD

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Thanks! I should have thought to do that, but you knew exactly the right things to ask.

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

Sorry to keep chiming in with such random questions guys, but I can never seem to get answers straight from the source...my question is are there any local providers that offer a HD only viewing package?

After going HD I cannot bring myself to watch SD (except for Spurs) and it seems like a waste to spend 50-60 bux on a bunch of channels I don't watch when the HD pack is only $6 a month more. According to TWC the answer is no, but I'm sure if I called 5 more times I'd get 5 different answers...is OTA my only choice?

Mw182006

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mw182006
"...are there any local providers that offer a HD only viewing package...is OTA my only choice?
Mw, I don't think so. At this stage of the technology, HDTV remains an option to most MSO providers' packages.

Ironically, in a few years we'll probably have to pay extra to get certain legacy SD channels!

I am not personally aware of any HD-only packages available from any service - but perhaps my brethren in the Forum and the MSO's will add their comments.

561 days to Digital Sunrise

Realthogue

San Antonio TX HDTV

Mw... I only have experience with ota and dish, but the VooM offerings on dish, though repeated a few too many times, provide a lot of unusual HD entertainment, not only in movies I would have rented in blu-ray, but also good Xtreme sports and music concerts. I believe I only pay $5 a month for the VooMs, but also get UniHD and some others that provide occasional movies I like. The packages are so complex now it's hard to decide the most economical... I just make sure I have all the ones that ever have a spurs game.

and btw, speaking of basketball... how bout them SASS!!!!

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

I was just watching the "fund raiser" on KLRN and my goodness they have beaten the commercial stations. The local material is in HD.

We are moving now!

Abner

San Antonio TX HDTV

The most upsetting part to me is that AT&T uverse, TWC, and DTV all have WOAI in HD. It will probably be another disappointing football season without Sunday night football in HD!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Scott
Thanks, Jerry... it's really exciting to me to watch you guys beat the 'sunrise' as you call it. Exciting also to know that you'll soon thereafter be doing local sports in HD!

and as for the Dish/WOAI negotiations, here's the pretty much as expected response from dish:

Edward,



Thanks for your interest in DISH network. We are unfortunately unable to offer WOAI in HD at this time because we do not have digital carriage rights with the Stationís ownership entity. We are however, in negotiations and hope to reach an agreement for such rights. Please know that both sides are working diligently to come to a fair agreement. Again thank you for your subscription to DISH. Please contact me with any questions. Thanks,



Erin



Erin McIlvain

General Manager of Programming

EchoStar Satellite, LLC - DISH Network

9601S. Meridian Boulevard

Englewood, CO 80112

Tel: 303.723.1833 Fax: 303.723.1999

Email: erin.mcilvain@echostar.com

Playmaker

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Playmaker
The most upsetting part to me is that AT&T uverse, TWC, and DTV all have WOAI in HD. It will probably be another disappointing football season without Sunday night football in HD!!
You should still call the listed number and voice your concern. Remember the squeaky wheel always gets the grease, it sure didn't hurt that everyone from this forum was calling and emailing executives on both sides during the Sinclair/TWC dispute.

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

I sent an email last night. My initial 18 month agreement is up in a month, and if nothing is resolved at that time, I will switch to DTV. DTV has alot of HD channels coming in the near future, and it is not worth staying with DISH if they are not committed to providing WOAI when everyone else can.

Playmaker

San Antonio TX HDTV

Dear all,

Re OTA of channel 12.
Does anybody know why I read 90% signal strength on 12-1 and 12-2 but all i see is a black screen. All the other stations come in like usual. This happended during heavy rains and i thought it would resolve as I am OTA only. I live between Hondo and Castroville in Medina County and have always recived 12 fine. Anybody know what my problem is, I have a vizio 32 with a Humax digital descrambler. The tech guys at KSAT 12 said to rescan, which i did to no avail. Anybody getting KSAt 12 OTA HD? Or is it just lucky me--then what do I do? Any help appreciated.

Hoover

McHoover

San Antonio TX HDTV

Just checked mine and all is good with 12 OTA. I live inside 1604 though.

ElusivEmu

San Antonio TX HDTV

Hello All,
The last month or so (maybe 6 weeks) on WOAI HD I've noted an audio "stutter" for lack of a better term.

It's on the Off-air setup I have as well as TWC. Really irrititating. When I record the MPG2 stream has dropped frames of audio needing resync in VideoReDo, so I know it's not just my ears.

Anyone know what's going on?

THanks in DTV!
Chris Wallace

CLWallace

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by McHoover
Dear all,

Re OTA of channel 12.
Does anybody know why I read 90% signal strength on 12-1 and 12-2 but all i see is a black screen....

Hoover
Receiving KSAT from 75 miles out with a perfect 90 strength picture. Sounds like you have some other problem... sorry.

Ed Scott... Utopia

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

Thanks Geoge and ED,

I just unpluggged my UPS, LCD TV and STB and replugged it all 20 seconds later and viola, 12 is back. Everthing else and all the other channles were working so I figured something needed reset. I lost 12 in heavyrains and thought moisture might have been a problem that would spiontaneously resolve but, it must have just been an electrical gremlin. But I'm all back all OTA with over 24 channles, even way out in Medina County. I'm really only 45 miles from the 4,5, 12 antennas south of SA and get reception at 90% And 35 and 29 come in at 100% thanks to a high antenna and amp booster.

Hoover

McHoover

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by CLWallace
Hello All,
The last month or so (maybe 6 weeks) on WOAI HD I've noted an audio "stutter" for lack of a better term.

It's on the Off-air setup I have as well as TWC. Really irrititating. When I record the MPG2 stream has dropped frames of audio needing resync in VideoReDo, so I know it's not just my ears.

Anyone know what's going on?

THanks in DTV!
Chris Wallace
Chris,

I've had the same problem using an HDDirecTivo. I went back to recording the news broadcasts from analog. Haven't checked lately.

Sherrill

sfmartin

San Antonio TX HDTV

I live in Lockhart which is in the Austin DMA, still no locals in HD through Dish. I took matters in my own hands and went through the "trouble" of putting an OTA antenna in my attic. I will be able to watch every NFL game in HD available to me through Dish via ESPN HD and NFL Network HD. I will watch all NFL games in HD OTA on CBS, Fox, and yes Sunday Night Football on NBC either on WOAI or KXAN, my choice...all because I went through the "trouble" of putting an OTA antenna in my attic. If I could have gotten by with a set of $10 rabbit ears, I would have. But I don't live in the city.

destrada

San Antonio TX HDTV

Do my eyes deceive me or do we have the NFL Network currently broadcasting on channel 108 here in San Antonio??? That would mean it is in HD as well!!

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

False alarm, the car dealership where I am watching has GVTC and not TWC. They are using the same 8300HD DVR and a non-branded remote. Guess TWC customers are still doing without...

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

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Originally Posted by Harley_Dude
Guess TWC customers are still doing without...
I like the headline in today's Express-News, which mentions the $0.61/month/subscriber that the NFL Network wants to charge TW to put the channel on basic cable. TW isn't going to just eat that charge, they'll pass it on to the subscribers in the next rate increase.

Since I am a TW subscriber and I have almost zero interest in the NFL, I'd rather keep that $7/year in my pocket than see it added to my cable bill for a channel I won't watch. I don't begrudge anyone who wants it from paying out of their pocket for the channel, but I don't want to subsidize your viewing habit. TW has my interests at heart in their current bargaining position.

BarsAntone

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Realthogue
At the risk of appearing vain by quoting myself, here's my explanation:

[In short, WOAI can do nothing to resolve multipath issues because they are a phenomenon of your location and environment. Also, WOAI's DTV transmitting antenna, like the one used by KENS-DT, is omnidirectional - they emit a more or less equal signal in all directions, so there is nothing in their technical plant that should cause dropouts in one quadrant or another.

Help me with this. What part of town do you live in (Schertz, right?) and what are you using for an antenna? If you do live in Schertz, your antenna should be aimed ever-so-slightly east of straight south. Please don't take this as an insult, but make certain the smaller elements of your antenna are at the south-pointing end. You'd be amazed how many installations I have seen pointing in the opposite direction of the transmitters. At your distance you shouldn't need a preamp; sometimes overboosting the signal results in degraded reception. If you are using a preamp, try removing it. (I read that you have experimented with attenuators - you should't need them if you have no amplifier.) Are you using good quality RG-6 coaxial cable between the antenna and your receiver? Is the little matching transformer at the antenna new, or in rust-free good shape?
Fully understand the issue - I am familar with the multi-pathing problem as I read it first in one of your responses on this site. My concern was not being able to understand the shots from the scope you had on the signal. It would take a EE to decode everything.

I am using a Winegard HD8200P mounted on a two-story roof. Location is the NE side of Schertz with a clear shot at the transmitter sites. Yes, I have the correct end of the antenna pointed just about exactly where you have mentioned. The antenna does not have any rust on it since I just put it back up after one year in storage.

I can accept the multi-pathing problems in receiving WOAI. I am not going to play the antenna roulette to see if one antenna will be better than the other. And I sure are not going to move just to see if the drop outs improve. All I can wait for is WOAI-HD to be on the Dish.

elbyj

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by elbyj
All I can wait for is WOAI-HD to be on the Dish.

That will be a LONG time. Charlie Ergen is a pretty good poker player and stubborn to boot. WOAI will blink long before he does.

ibglowin

San Antonio TX HDTV

I guess we will have to wait to see what happens if the sale of WOAI is approved by the FCC. Maybe the new owners will be better sales people!

elbyj

San Antonio TX HDTV

Jerry,

Thanks for the patient explanation. I am just using rabbit ears (being on a hill between SA and Bulverde makes it easy). I am sure there is a sweet spot some place in my living room because at times the multi path issue with WOAI has disappeared. This usually coincided with my moving the entertainment rack to clean up wires. Strange that it affects WOAI only, but I honestly don't watch many of the other locals OTA since I can get them via Dish.

I have sent my plea to the ceo email address at Dish and received the canned response. Hopefully they work out the issue, but I admit that recording from OTA is needed to accomodate recording 3 programs at once on the 622.

SoonerSteve

San Antonio TX HDTV

Somebody posed the question today that isn't it strange that the one channel that dish doesn't carry is the one that drops out when you watch on their STB OTA... it seems even stranger when you read the other forums and find that it's other channels that drop out on the 622 elsewhere... just coincidence I'm sure, but still, makes you kind of scratch your head.

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

Also, I want to join in loudly thanking Jerry Paonessa for the really unselfish way he helps with so many problems. There aren't many people in this world like him, and darn it there should be. You're the best, Jerry.

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

For what its worth I live in Northern NM just outside of Santa Fe, but I hang out here as well as the Albuquerque, NM HDTV thread as I am the electronics geek in the family and I help out with my parents HDTV setup in San Antonio. I am a native Texan who escaped 20 odd years ago after graduating from UTSA. Humidity and me just never liked each other you could say!

The local NBC affiliate in Albuquerque, NM had the exact same problems you all are experiencing for just about the last year. Could this be more than just a coincidence that both were an NBC affiliate with a dropout problem on the 622? It could be something in the specific digital transmitters they are using that needs tweaking. We were lucky in that our local NBC station was also being carried through Dish in HD so I could always watch and record that channel. It was pointless to try and watch it OTA because even though it was a strong 85% signal it dropped out and stuttered every 5-10 seconds making it unwatchable.

Somehow with the L4.01 update on the 622 the problem went away totally. That software update increased the sensitivity on the OTA tuner and bumped up all the stations into the 90-100% range. Somehow the problem vanished overnight with that update and we are all now able to watch and record NBC OTA as well as through Dish in HD.

Perhaps someone at WOAI needs to contact the station enginneer (Sean Anker) at KOB-TV in Albuquerque, NM and see if they could trade notes on the problems and possible solutions found for the 622 NBC dropouts.

ibglowin

San Antonio TX HDTV

Not having procured an OTA digital meter I'm wondering if an analog OTA meter will suffice. If I align my antenna on the FOX 29 analog signal using and analog meter will it also be the correct alignment for the digital signal? Or to put it simply, does FOX use the same tower to transmit both signals? It would seem they probably do.

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
...does FOX use the same tower to transmit both signals? It would seem they probably do.
Allen,

FOX 29 and FOX 29 DT use the same tower, as do most of the San Antonio HD locals. Without regard to method and content of modulation, RF is RF. If you peak the signal on 29's analog signal, your antenna is at least pointed in the correct direction.

653 days to analog sundown.

Realthogue

San Antonio TX HDTV

This is a site that may help you answer questions from your friends and other viewers ? as well as clarify in your own minds what is to come of Feb. 17, 2009:

http://dtvanswers.com/

653 days to analog sundown.

Realthogue

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quick Noob question.

Are there ota channels you can't get with a timewarner hd set top box?

tiredofchex

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by tiredofchex
Quick Noob question.

Are there ota channels you can't get with a timewarner hd set top box?
Yes, there are. In the case of KENS-DT you can receive 5-2 over the air. That is a continuous feed of our Vipir doppler radar. On Sunday mornings from 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM we also broadcast a children's offering called "At The Zoo," a series made in St. Louis MO.

WOAI-DT transmits their Weather Plus channel on 4-2, but that is available on TWC already. KSAT-DT promises a "new channel (LATV) coming soon" on 12-2, but that has not yet happened. KHCE-DT has a main channel and four multicasts, 23-1,2,3,4 and-5.

Your question raises interesting ramifications for "must carry" rulings and the services TWC has chosen to carry. Stay tuned.

Realthogue

San Antonio TX HDTV

WOAI dropout:

OK well here's some new (possible) twists. Upon reading Jerry's list of non-cable OTA programming I felt like I got a few more than that so I turned on my set and began switching with the channel up button on the 622 remote rather than going directly to the HD channel like I usually do. I started at channel 2 and clicked up, which put me on WOAI HD... yellow screen. I clicked to channel up and it took me to their -2 digital signal... perfect picture! Switched back and got a yellow screen... then back to -2 (their weather program) and got the perfect digital SD picture. I scratched my head but had to get back to whatever else I was doing at the time.

This morning I turned on the TV to check further into it. WOAI is broadcasting the soaps in SD.... and I've had it on three hours now (muted) without a single dropout.

HMMMMMM??!!

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

I will echo Ed's statement. My WOAI dropouts have virtually ceased. I did tweak the rabbit ears a little so I may have found the sweet spot again. I will keep an eye on it for the next few days see what happens.

SoonerSteve

San Antonio TX HDTV

And I thought I was asleep and dreaming tonight when I was able to watch an entire hour show on WOAI without one single drop in audio or video? Like the others, what happened? Did WOAI hear our plea and adjust something or will the technical experts tell us the atmosphere has been different for the past few days and that is the reason we are getting a good signal! I even checked the software version on the 622 just to make sure I didn't get a new version in the past few days. Now it upsets me that we could have taped ER last night in HD vice the satellite SD version!!! I am going to make sure we watch 4-1 more to see if it comes back!

elbyj

San Antonio TX HDTV

WOAI SOLID!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually what I was hinting at in my last message was that I was "suspecting" that only the HD signals were dropping out and that possibly there could be some sort of "something" happening within the 622 to somehow confuse the one HD channel offair signal that didn't subscribe to the dish service... however that could happen... and there are possiblilities...

But now I suspect that possibly Jerry spoke to his counterpart at channel 4 who in turn saw those possiblilities and called dish... and voila!!

I wanted to wait for the bad weather to pass, so recording "Heroes" last night yielded absolutely perfect, consistent HD.

I thank EVERYONE who had anything at all to do with this... I know it wasn't just a freak of nature.

Oh and GO SPURS GO! bash nash... squelch stupidliar Stoudemire

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

Ed ---

Yes, we are getting it Rock Solid! Can't wait to tape ER this Thursday night. However, don't know if you noticed it or not -- but now I am seeing the wonderful YELLOW screen popping up on 5-1 (KENS). It has happened a couple of times in the past two days. Just hope this isn't going to start a revolution in the signals!

Just like you I would like to thank whomever did something to whatever to make WOAI just like new!

elbyj

San Antonio TX HDTV

Solid here too! I recored the Players TPC at Sawgrass over the weekend and was pleasantly surprised that both days recordings had absolutely no dropouts. So, whether WOAI or DISH did something, I'm a happy camper.

borfhead

San Antonio TX HDTV

I am using OTA and I am missing the bottom part of my screen on 4.1. Anyone else having these problems?

DopeCracker

San Antonio TX HDTV

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Originally Posted by DopeCracker
I am using OTA and I am missing the bottom part of my screen on 4.1. Anyone else having these problems?
Same here. I have time warner cable and missing bottom part of my screen on all shows (hd and non hd). I checked my over the air antenna (bunny ears) and have the same problem. So it must be a WOAI problem??

niembre

San Antonio TX HDTV

I hope WOAI is reading the forum now so we can keep them on top of their problems... yup you're right, black line across the bottom... more like 8x16

Ed Scott

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Scott
I hope WOAI is reading the forum now so we can keep them on top of their problems... yup you're right, black line across the bottom... more like 8x16
From past history, I wouldn't count on reps from any station other than KENS and KLRN being regular visitors. Here's a link with contacts at WOAI-TV .

BarsAntone

San Antonio TX HDTV

Timewarner cable (TW) Is it just my tv,or has TW dropped or moved the QAM (in the clear) channels WOAI & ABC that they are required to carry by law? I have been very patient as they have been gone for at least two weeks.

COOLRIVER

San Antonio TX HDTV

TWC in SA has just realigned most of their unencrypted (in the clear) QAM channels. Do not know why but discovered it this am when I wanted to watch GMA in HD on a set not hooked up to an antenna or to their Set top box. Had to rescan the tv's tuner. Read elsewhere that TWC does this without warning just to get you to use another settop for all your TVs, OTA gives the best Picture sometimes) but then you cannot watch ESPN, HDNET etc

paulbehnke

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbehnke
TWC in SA has just realigned most of their unencrypted (in the clear) QAM channels. Do not know why but discovered it this am when I wanted to watch GMA in HD on a set not hooked up to an antenna or to their Set top box. Had to rescan the tv's tuner. Read elsewhere that TWC does this without warning just to get you to use another settop for all your TVs, OTA gives the best Picture sometimes) but then you cannot watch ESPN, HDNET etc
Other than the locals, what channels does TWC-SA have in the clear?

Harley_Dude

San Antonio TX HDTV

Is scanning/trial-and-error the only to find out what's what OR does anybody know of some reference on the Internet whereby somebody can get a channel list showing what TWC-SA has in the clear on QAM?

My hp TV locks in tons of "blank" channels whenever I try to scan. Don't know if it's the encrypted stuff or what, but sure is a pain in the backside.

MikeZinSAT

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley_Dude
Other than the locals, what channels does TWC-SA have in the clear?
At least three weeks and counting of no WOAI or ABC in the clear Paul, thanks for the conformation there gone. I have two Qam TV's and watch everything I can in the clear, as the HD picture (and the SD for that matter) is noticeably better than the box.(no antenna ) Harley_dude , other than the locals (when they work) thats pretty much it. I scanned tonight and got 9 channels= 2 pbs, cbs, my35, fox, woai weather plus, Create, V-me, and what looks like a public access channel. Mike, as far as I known there is no list or rhyme or reason where these channels go in the clear. If you scan on the weekend when all the pay for view sports are active you will get a lot more scrambled channels, but then again you also might get something you want to watch Time to call TW and ask them why my channels are gone

COOLRIVER

San Antonio TX HDTV

COOLRIVER, here is what my little Magnavox 19inch set picked up:

110.104 WOAI, 110.112 KSAT

111.21 public access? 111.91, 111.93, 111.94 all PBS and 111. 111 KABB

112.107 ??infomercials and junk, 112.108 KLRN and 112.155 KENS

Not all are HD some show 5.1 sound others Stereo...its a mixed bag of tricks

Hope this helps. Many tuners pck up all the channels but this little Magnavox seems to pick uponly those in the clear.

paulbehnke

San Antonio TX HDTV

I set up to record the Ella Fitzgerald special on 9-1 last night, and got nothing. I tried all of the digital KLRN channels and got no signal. Anyone else have this happen? Same this morning, very weak signal, if any.

sfmartin

San Antonio TX HDTV

Signal strength was awfull...I too gave up after five min of the blockies.

paulbehnke

San Antonio TX HDTV

Thanks Jerry,
That's exactly the info I was looking for. It look like KENS will have a jump on the other stations being in the vhf range as the lower frequency should penetrate buildings better than the uhf ones do.

jacobplittleman

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Realthogue
KABB 30 same uhf 30
KWEX 39 uhf 41
KENS 55 uhf 39
KLRN 8 vhf 9
KSAT 48 uhf drops to vhf 12
WOAI 58 uhf 48
If I read this correctly/literally I will stop receiving ABC when the switch is made. Somebody tell me I'm wrong. I didn't go thru 4 UHF antennas just to see all go by by in 2009.

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
If I read this correctly/literally I will stop receiving ABC when the switch is made. Somebody tell me I'm wrong. I didn't go thru 4 UHF antennas just to see all go by by in 2009.
I now believe these changes have been confirmed (Thanks Realthogue & Petegon). Time for you to start looking at VHF anttennas

COOLRIVER

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobplittleman
HI all,
First post, I'm a newbe but have been in the electronics industry for over 30
years but am confused when I look at the antenna suggestions on antennaWeb.

This is what I see on AntennaWeb after giving my street address in universal city.
DTV Antenna
Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live Date Compass Orientation Miles From Frequenc Assignment
* yellow - uhf KABB-DT 29.1 FOX SAN ANTONIO TX 168? 18.4 30
* yellow - uhf KSAT-DT 12.1 ABC SAN ANTONIO TX 166? 19.9 48
* yellow - uhf KWEX-DT 41.1 UNI SAN ANTONIO TX 165? 18.3 39
* yellow - uhf KVDA-DT 38.1 TEL SAN ANTONIO TX 165? 18.3 38
* yellow - uhf WOAI-DT 4.1 NBC SAN ANTONIO TX 167? 19.9 58
* green - vhf KLRN-DT 9.1 PBS SAN ANTONIO TX 185? 16.1 8
* red - uhf KHCE-DT 16.1 TBN SAN ANTONIO TX 165? 18.6 16
* red - vhf KCWX-DT 2.1 CW FREDERICKSBURG TX 01-09 330? 44.1 5
* red - uhf KENS-DT 5.1 CBS SAN ANTONIO TX 167? 19.9 55
* violet - uhf KMYS-DT 35.1 MNT KERRVILLE TX 270? 35.5 32

ABC, NBC and FOX are all about 19 miles away and the antenna suggestion is "yellow", a small multi-directional unit.

CBS looks to share the same antenna location with ABC and NBC (all are 19.9 miles away at 166/167 degrees) but the recommendation for CBS is red, medium directional unit which is 3 steps up
from the Yellow?
What am I missing? I'm assuming that the stations are transmitting at the same power and they appear to be at the same location.

Anybody have any ideas why the "red" recommendation for CBS but "yellow'
antenna for the rest?

Just about the only tv we watch is on CBS and I would like to break the TW
connection. I don't want to put up a lot more antenna than I need to get the job done but also don't want to buy one that is not up to getting CBS.

I'm interested in the digital HDTV signal only, we don't watch any Std Def tv anymore so analog is not a concern.

Second question:
Is the channel mapping for SA finalized yet? From what I've read, I think
that only PBS may still be on a VHF with everything else on UHF.

Thanks in advance.
I am above you in New Braunfels (approx 30 miles from towers) and was surprised to pick up all stations steadily with a small loop/rabbit ears antenna (except PBS which is at a lower power for now). I suggest you stop by RadioShack and pick it up for 12 bucks and see what you think ABC will change to VHF #12, but you and I should be able to pick it up with the rabbit ears when this happens and PBS when they increase power

COOLRIVER

San Antonio TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenDB
If I read this correctly/literally I will stop receiving ABC when the switch is made. Somebody tell me I'm wrong. I didn't go thru 4 UHF antennas just to see all go by by in 2009.
Actually this comes as quite a shock. As I have known for the last 4 or more years, (I've had HD since 2001) in 2009, analog TV transmission will cease. And somewhere along that way I understood that the VHF frequencies were going to be turned over/used for other purpose. Its been said that hundreds, if not thousands of different industries, want access to those frequencies. That VHF frequencies were never going to be used for digital TV. It was never mentioned.

When I first moved to Texas and I saw many people referring to VHF channel this for HD ABC viewing and VHF that for HD CBS viewing I knew that 2 different languages were being used. There were NO VHF channels that carried HD. The commercial HD transmission were all UHF since late 2000 (maybe a tad earlier) thru today as far as I know.

So now I'm wondering again. Was that a misspeak or VHF really is going to be used for digital HD transmissions? And it really doesn't make sense to force people to have multiple antennas to receive all network TV.

AllenDB

San Antonio TX HDTV

[quote=So now I'm wondering again. Was that a misspeak or VHF really is going to be used for digital HD transmissions? And it really doesn't make sense to force people to have multiple antennas to receive all network TV.[/QUOTE]


I was surprised as well as you, but glad to find out now instead of 2009.

More info here http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-06-1082A2.pdf

Info confirmed for SA stations.

COOLRIVER

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