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Question Birmingham AL HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Updated: 2008-05-23 09:30:27 (3886)
Birmingham AL HDTV

Since the Red Tower thread was several hundred pages and two years old, I have started this new official thread. Please post all comments related to Birmingham, AL (and surrounding areas) digital television issues here.

Answers: Birmingham AL HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Birmingham AL HDTV

I am getting abc 33/40 (chan 33-1) in pelham with an attic install. The problem I am having is a 60% signal strength but lots of dropouts. I am using the CM 2001 VHF model. I have the antenna hanging straight down - it works best this way. I am going to move the antenna again when I have another hour to fool with it.

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

Outside VHF is Plan B. I spent part of yest afternoon literally cutting my antenna in half, separating the U from the V for aiming reasons. Now that they're not 'conjoined at the back', I can play with the aiming of the VHF half. May also try a different/hotter preamp. I need to wrap all this up before it gets too hot to be in the attic for more than a few minutes! And I'm having flashbacks to when color TV was first available and the antenna story was 'location-location-location'.

SteveHorn

Birmingham AL HDTV

Finally had enough time to get the antenna aimed correctly and combined with the internal silver sensor so now I have everything but Fox(low signal strength).
The one issue I have is that the SS is lower (35ft) and indoors so I have to play with direction more when changing to some stations. PBS seems to give me the most trouble but they all work well enough to enjoy them.

These preamps you guys keep suggesting, how do they make the signal stronger without making the noise worse?

danog

Birmingham AL HDTV

Success. I finally found one (after eliminating four other antennas) antenna that worked at pulling in ABC. I bought a VHF only Channel Master 3614 from Forbes and, though it required a sweet spot and a very stange angle, and when paired with the CM 7777 preamp, I was able to get an 86% signal strength. I guess that I will now try to combine the two antennas. For those of you that want to try it, Forbes had several and it was around $30.

tclove

Birmingham AL HDTV

Tim, do they carry the preamps too? I have one on-loan from Hooper's, but it may go back. I need to fiddle with the VHF ant. a bit more to see if I can pull in ABC 5.

Btw, can you update the station status at the beginning of this thread? Also, from bearmur, I read that ABC Anniston is going to be chan 9, right?... Someday.

SteveHorn

Birmingham AL HDTV

Steve,

They do sell pre-amps, but they don't have the CM 7777 in stock. I ordered mine from www.warrenelectronics. com. They had lots of them and were extremely friendly and helpful. I will work on updating the station status. Thanks for the reminder.

tclove

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by tclove
Will there be anyone in the control room on the weekends to flip the switch? If they forget, is there a number that we should call to remind them?

Thanks!

Tim
Sat night 4/17 at 9:15PM, on the Mummy Returns, they forgot to switch it back to HD after the commercial break for about 10 minutes ... I imagine it's easy to miss the manual switchover...

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

Station status - waiting on the FCC. We are working to find a way for the automation to make the switch.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

Steve,

I ordered a CM 7777 last Friday week from:
http://www.spectravox.com/7777.html
for just under $59.00 SHIPPED.

Ordered on Friday and received it the following Tuesday.

Dennis

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
These preamps you guys keep suggesting, how do they make the signal stronger without making the noise worse? [/b]
When an antenna is connected to the first active detector in a receiving system via coax, the loss in the coax is added directly to the overall noise figure of the receiving system. By locating a preamp at the antenna, it places the first active detector before the coax loss, thereby removing that loss from the overall system noise figure. Additionally, quality preamps have low noise figures themselves, and therefore are virtually equivalent to locating a high quality, low noise receiver stage right at the antenna.

Cheers,

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

Dennis, thanks for the preamp info. I looked at that site and the preamp I currently have from Hooper's (Winegard AP8275) specs out a bit better than the CM. So I'll probably stay with what I've got. But the site link is a keeper for future reference. At least now I know that I can concentrate on antenna position and location.... and pay Hooper's.

Steve

SteveHorn

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by SteveHorn
Dennis, thanks for the preamp info. I looked at that site and the preamp I currently have from Hooper's (Winegard AP8275) specs out a bit better than the CM.
You are welcome, Steve...

I noticed the following when looking up the preamp specs:

Amp--------VHF Gain-----VHF Noise-----UHF Gain-----UHF Noise
CM 7777------23 dB--------2.8 dB-------26 dB--------2.0 dB
AP 8275------29 dB--------2.9 dB-------28 dB--------2.8 dB

In general, the gain provided by a preamp must only be enough to overcome transmission line losses and downstream splitter losses between it and the next active stage. The Winegard does provide considerably more gain at VHF, but unless you are overcoming huge downstream losses, it's probably not important. What may be more important is the UHF noise figure of the preamp. The 1st preamp's noise figure adds directly into the system noise figure, therefore while the VHF noise specs are virtually identical for the two amps, the CM has almost a dB less noise at UHF.

This is, of course, splitting hairs... Most TV receive systems don't run on 1 dB noise margins... I'm more acustomed to designing systems for satellite reception and for moon bounce reception... ;-)

Good luck!! (Picture quality on The Mummy Returns on ABC last night was great! The audio sync was still a tad off, but not enough to be a big bother.)

Dennis

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

Thanks for the information. I must have gotten really lucky or by buying the right equipment because I've not had any trouble getting a signal without a preamp or by adjusting the antenna.

Hooper's is a great source. The AntennaCraft antenna I got form them has performed excellent although it is only used now for the ABC (VHF) feed. The little SilverSensor handles the UHF. We're about 20-25 miles from the towers in Birmingham and 25-30 from Tuscaloosa. Even with the new growth on the trees we haven't lost signal.

danog

Birmingham AL HDTV

Location, location, location !

David Richardson

Birmingham AL HDTV

Bearmur,

I called the Newsroom and asked for someone in Engineering so I could ask them to flip the switch, but no one answered. Tonight was my first chance to see something in HD as "Alias" is on. Can you tell us what is the best way to contact someone to flip the switch? I know that you are trying to find a way to automate it, but in the meantime what should we do?

Thanks!!!

tclove

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by tclove
Can you tell us what is the best way to contact someone to flip the switch? I know that you are trying to find a way to automate it, but in the meantime what should we do?
My wife just asked me the same question... Alias is a favorite show of her's and she was looking forward to seeing it in HD tonight ...

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

Hey Broadband-
It's best just to call the station and asked to be transferred to the station engineer. That's what I did on Saturday when the CBS telecast of the PGA tournament was in SD. The station engineer was great, he told me he didn't realize it was in HD and told me to hold on for one second, and voila, a flip of a switch is all it took, total of 30 seconds. I hope the same can be said of the other broadcast affiliates in Birmingham.

By the way, what kind of Radio Shack antenna are you using for VHF? I'm in Tuscaloosa, so I bet it will work easily for me if it does for you in Pelham.

auburn97

Birmingham AL HDTV

Auburn97,

I did call ABC 33/40 and asked to speak to the engineering department, but no one answered the phone. That's why I posted the question to Bearmur (see post above the one you replied to Broadand about). In general, stations ARE very good about flipping the switch if they forget to. Neither of the two programs that were supposed to be in HD last night were. It was my first chance to see ABC in hi def after spending about 8 hours on the roof trying to get the signal. Needless to say, I was bummed when the HD was not passed through.

tclove

Birmingham AL HDTV

Call news and ask for mcr on weekendsor at night.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

Thanks Bearmur. I did call the news department and asked to be transferred to somone in Engineering, but noone ever picked up. I will try asking for mcr in the future (I hope I don't have to)...smile.

I know that Brad had asked this, but I will as well. Do you have any plans for the gray bars on 4x3 content to be black? I prefer black (especially at night).

Thanks again for keeping us all in the loop.

tclove

Birmingham AL HDTV

8 hours on the roof?

Man, I'm feeling guilty as it only took 5 minutes to grab the signal. I know you're much further out but what problems did you run into?

Dano

danog

Birmingham AL HDTV

When will Titantv and antennaweb update their information to show ABC HD is now available in Birmingham? I've emailed their sites and hope to get the new information added soon.

danog

Birmingham AL HDTV

Danog,

I wish I knew why it was so hard. Dave Richardson has seen my house and was surprised I could get anything when HD first went live in Bham. I live in Inverness at the bottom of a huge hill with HUGE trees surrounding my house. I tried 5-6 different antennas and only the VHF only antenna in one specific spot was able to pull in the signal. Then I had to mount it and adjust it, etc. It was a LONG day!!! None of the other antennas in the same spot would work at all.

tclove

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by auburn97
By the way, what kind of Radio Shack antenna are you using for VHF? I'm in Tuscaloosa, so I bet it will work easily for me if it does for you in Pelham.
Almost anything should work in Tuscaloosa for channel 5.

Mine is below:

http://dease.net/tv/tv_antennas.jpg

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

Automation is working to make the switch. If the log is right then the hd should be there.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

E-mail ABC3340.com about the gray bars.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

BroadBand Labrat - its no wonder you pull in ABC in Pelham; I suspect your antenna is ABOVE most of Pelham! It also explains why my attic antenna doesn't cut it. I'm not done with it yet though! BTW, thanks for the clarifying info on the pre-amps, but I squared up with Hooper's today. Sounds like it won't matter - I just need to find the antenna sweet spot.

SteveHorn

Birmingham AL HDTV

Bearmur,

I will e-mail the station. It appears that the 4x3 content (network commercials, etc) have black bars and look significantly better than the 4x3 content with gray bars (as happens for local spots and programming). Can you shed any light on the technicals of what is being broadcast? It looks like the 4x3 with gray bars is just 480i and the 4x3 with black bars is 720p. Am I mistaken?

Also, any idea when the PSIP guide information will be available?

Thanks again!

tclove

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev4Bama
Heard today on AM690 that Raycom/formerly Lincoln Financial Sports will start broadcasting the 11:30am football games in HD on channel 17/21 here in Birmingham. Now we need to see if we can get Charter to pick up 21 in HD on their line up.Seems as though with the demand that will be there they will almost have to. I guess worst case i will have to break out the HD antenna. I would think the pressure would be too great on them though if a local channel is carrying SEC football in HD and Charter is not providing the channel.
That is some good news. The 11:30 LFS game was the worst looking TV broadcast known to man. I can't believe they even got a company to put there name on that game.

Smacky

Birmingham AL HDTV

Agreed.

This fall, Dish provided a free preview of the Big Ten Network in HD. On game days, multiple HD channels were used to broadcast those low priority games (ex. Penn State vs. Pittsburgh Elementary School) that were not carried on a major network - i.e. their equivalent of our games carried on WTTO. I believe Fox is involved in the production. While I wasn't familiar with the commentators, the HD production was quite a contrast to our crap.

slowmo

Birmingham AL HDTV

Anyone having issues with Peachtree TV? I can see the program guide, but the programs do not come through (except Braves baseball). I know that it is a new HD channel on Charter, so it may be that they are experiencing issues.

adbedus

Birmingham AL HDTV

It's great to see that CW is going to have the SEC games in HD this year. For those that have not, make sure you request that Charter add the channel for this fall. If they find out now that people want it, maybe they can have it ready by the fall.


About Peachtree HD, what part of town are you in and when did that show up? My lowest HD is FSN at 760.

newma022

Birmingham AL HDTV

I live in Riverchase. It started showing up about a month ago, with Braves games only (which work). During the evenings, other programming shows up on the program guide (example tonight at 6:00, Family Guy is supposed to be on). However if I click on the channel at 6:00, nothing comes up. Braves games, which there is one on tonight, work fine.

adbedus

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by adbedus
Anyone having issues with Peachtree TV? I can see the program guide, but the programs do not come through (except Braves baseball). I know that it is a new HD channel on Charter, so it may be that they are experiencing issues.
Channel 759 (CHRHD) on the Charter channel-lineup isn't the full Peachtree TV channel. With the exception of the Braves games, the other programming from Peachtree TV is not available on ch. 759.

The guide data for ch. 759 should show "Sign Off" if the Braves aren't scheduled to be shown.

If the guide data for the non-Braves Peachtree TV programs are being show on your cable set-top box, then an error is occurring somewhere. What type of set-top do you have?

Regards.

charter_hsd

Birmingham AL HDTV

I have a Motorola DCH 6416. It shows program guide for Peachtree at primetime hours. For example, after the Braves game tonight it shows Seinfeld and Family Guy.

Any word on when more HD channels will be added?

adbedus

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by adbedus
I have a Motorola DCH 6416. It shows program guide for Peachtree at primetime hours. For example, after the Braves game tonight it shows Seinfeld and Family Guy.

Any word on when more HD channels will be added?
Thanks for the info. I'll let the Cable TV Engineers know that they need to take a look at the guide date.

Sorry, I have no information to report as it relates to new HD channels.

Regards.

charter_hsd

Birmingham AL HDTV

I just noticed yesterday that both ESPN HD (103-3) and ESPN2 HD (85-1) are available over QAM. Were these added recently?

conorj

Birmingham AL HDTV

I rescanned mine twice and got the ESPN2 but couldn't get ESPN. Hmm

Smacky

Birmingham AL HDTV

It looks like the engineers solution to the problem was to completely remove Peachtree TV. I guess we shouldn't have said anything.....at least I was getting the Braves games before.

adbedus

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by adbedus
It looks like the engineers solution to the problem was to completely remove Peachtree TV. I guess we shouldn't have said anything.....at least I was getting the Braves games before.

LOL, I noticed that. I have the Motorola Moxi 9012 and my guide never showed the Peachtree programming at all. But it did show the Braves games.

Charter is so far behind in the HD programming.

Smacky

Birmingham AL HDTV

Has anyone else noticed some blurps or like freezing on some of the Charter HD channels over the weekend. I have especially noticed on ESPN HD as well as Discovery HD.

Kev4Bama

Birmingham AL HDTV

This has been happening (and getting progressively worse) for about six months now.

dlathem

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlathem
This has been happening (and getting progressively worse) for about six months now.
Pops, pauses and brief freezes on the HD channels are all indications of local RF problems.

If they are getting worse or more frequent then there is likely a problem either in your node or in your neighborhood. A system technician should be able to track down the cause and correct it.

Regards.

charter_hsd

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by adbedus
It looks like the engineers solution to the problem was to completely remove Peachtree TV. I guess we shouldn't have said anything.....at least I was getting the Braves games before.
I asked the engineers about the channel removal, and they explained to me that it had nothing to do with the guide data issue. I've been told that the channel was added back to the lineup yesterday.

FWIW, the Moto set-tops receive their guide data from Gemstar/TV Guide. Since TV Guide hasn't created a unique channel ID for the Braves only programing we are stuck using the channel ID for the local Peachtree affiliate in Atlanta. Because of this, guide data for some of the other Peachtree TV programs are included in the program guide.

This issue doesn't affect the MOXI or SA set-tops because their guide data is provided by Tribune. Tribune created a unique channel ID for the Braves only programing, therefore the guide data shows only the Braves games.

I hope this explanation makes sense. If it doesn't, please let me know.

Regards.

charter_hsd

Birmingham AL HDTV

Thanks - I noticed that Peachtree was back up yesterday. By the way, I have noticed that some of the posters have referenced Discovery Channel in HD. Is this available anywhere in the B'ham area? I just get Discovery Theater, but no Discovery Channel in HD (unfortunately).

Thanks!

adbedus

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Smacky

My WVTM channel 783 is giving me the blue screen telling me I don't subscribe to this or check cable connection. Is this the same problem or something different?
I got my Motorola MOXI DVR yesterday and now I don't have 783 either. I get the same error message. I never had this problem before. Charter customer support was not able to identify the problem. Let me know if you get a fix.

coymacoy

Birmingham AL HDTV

I don't have 783 through my regular SA HD charter box. Suspect it is just not on for some reason.

jwoodward

Birmingham AL HDTV

nbc hd down for me

kwatson1

Birmingham AL HDTV

NBC's digital OTA is down ....

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

My HD NBC channel 783 with Charter is back on now. Got home and all my HD channels were gone. Rebooted the Moxi for the 10th time in a week and they all came back.

Smacky

Birmingham AL HDTV

NBC channel 783 was OK tonight watching and recording Las Vegas in HD. Didn't see anything yesterday so can't say it was up or down here.

Dano

danog

Birmingham AL HDTV

NBC still off air.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by bearmur
NBC still off air.
Thank God for network feeds from Directv! I never watch Nbc13 because it is always down.

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by bhambrad
Thank God for network feeds from Directv! I never watch Nbc13 because it is always down.
Amen....and the AAA battery that Fox uses to power their antenna just doesn't cut it. Glad I'll be able to watch the Super Bowl in HD over the satellite.

n8dagr8

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by n8dagr8
Amen....and the AAA battery that Fox uses to power their antenna just doesn't cut it. Glad I'll be able to watch the Super Bowl in HD over the satellite.
There is nothing like programming a wishlist on the HDtivo and having it set to record on nbc 13-1 and you go to watch the program and realize that there is no signal and nothing tivoed. That has happened so many times - it's crazy. Not to mention all of the motion artifacts from NBC 13 - they say it is because of trees & hills. Yeah we aren't engineers but not that stupid either.

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

NBC 13 HD back up.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by n8dagr8
Amen....and the AAA battery that Fox uses to power their antenna just doesn't cut it.
Darn... I had not considered it was on FOX... Guess I better fine tune my antenna... when things are just right, I can get fox OTA...

I received an email from fox engineering about 6 months ago... said no plans to increase power back then. They said they were running 750 watts then.

Has anyone received anything from fox about increased power?

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

I have heard they will we be at full power around July. Hope it happens!

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

bearmur,

Can we get an update on channel 9?

Was the equipment delivered at the end of January?

Are you still shooting for an end of February live date?

mwgiii

Birmingham AL HDTV

Antenna on ground at Xmitter today. Tower guys are here but need a week of dry days to install the antenna. Xmitter delayed until next Tuesday.Xmitter install will start then? Check out by Harris will come after install the following week I hope.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by bearmur
Antenna on ground at Xmitter today. Tower guys are here but need a week of dry days to install the antenna. Xmitter delayed until next Tuesday.Xmitter install will start then? Check out by Harris will come after install the following week I hope.
Thanks for the update Bman!
I am pretty sure some of us in Pelham will have an easier time with channel 9. Looking forward to it going live!

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

Was 6-1 down last night?

I had a good signal but no picture or sound on my 921.

mwgiii

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by bhambrad
I have heard they will we be at full power around July. Hope it happens!
i got an email from fox a few months ago stating the essentially the same thing. somewhere in the june/july range.

jafo9

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by mwgiii
Was 6-1 down last night?

I had a good signal but no picture or sound on my 921.
I was at work, but I tried to record The O.C. tonight and came home to nothing. Could have just been my FusionHDTV card being buggy again......

Anyone else notice anything? (if 6-1 was down I'll know why it didn't record!)

antitime

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jafo9
i got an email from fox a few months ago stating the essentially the same thing. somewhere in the june/july range.
I believe they have to go full power in June, as the big 4 networks in the top 100 markets have to, set by the FCC.

taz291819

Birmingham AL HDTV

what exactly is the point of staying at low power? does it save a lot of money to only operate at half-power?

darthtater

Birmingham AL HDTV

yeah, it does. From what I've read, it costs around $9000/mo. to pay the power bill to operate a typical tower at full power. The stations don't see this as a profitable investment, as they're gaining no new customers from this, only splitting some customers off from their analog station to the new digital station.

I see their point, but darnit, I want my HDTV.

thatguy79

Birmingham AL HDTV

if the FCC requires full power on DTV towers in June, will they allow the Analog towers to reduce power to compensate at some point?

darthtater

Birmingham AL HDTV

I am moving to Birmingham from Denver in two weeks. I have searched a lilttle bit of this thread but I have not seen anyone who lives where I will be moving. I bought a house off of Overton Rd. half way between the Liberty Park and Grants Mill exits. The house is high on a hill and has a several mile view to the northwest. The current owners say they can see the fireworks off of Red Mountaion on the Fourth. Antennaweb says I will need a medium to large antenna. I only have a silver sensor now and that picks up everything in Denver, but Denver is much flatter and my house is in area that is higher than the city. Does anyone live in this area that can give me an idea of what to expect. I have D* now and will probably stay with them especially since this house has now cable run to it.

Thanks,

Hal

avsfan42

Birmingham AL HDTV

Hal -

A Prewelcome to B'ham!


We (I work in the custom AV field) have installed several HD antennas in Liberty Park. As long as you are not on the back side of the mountain you should be able to receive FOX, NBC, PBS, WB, UPN. The closer ABC tower should be up in the next few months. See a few posts above. I would use a more powerful antenna than the SS but since you already have it give it a try first.


Dave

David Richardson

Birmingham AL HDTV

Hal,

I predict that if you can see the fireworks on Red Mountain, then you should receive everything except ABC 5 with the small antenna. Try it!

Broadband LabRat

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by darthtater
if the FCC requires full power on DTV towers in June, will they allow the Analog towers to reduce power to compensate at some point?
I'm not 100%, but I don't think the FCC will allow that, though they should.

Also, a station can throttle back to within 20% of FP and still stay legal with the FCC. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for stations to do this, assuming they don't get too much negative feedback from viewers (or a cable head-end).

taz291819

Birmingham AL HDTV

Thanks for the advice guys. I will try out the silver sensor first and see what I get before getting into a serious attic antenna installation.

Hal

avsfan42

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by avsfan42
Thanks for the advice guys. I will try out the silver sensor first and see what I get before getting into a serious attic antenna installation.

Hal
check your pm

jafo9

Birmingham AL HDTV

[A Prewelcome to B'ham!


We (I work in the custom AV field) have installed several HD antennas in Liberty Park. As long as you are not on the back side of the mountain you should be able to receive FOX, NBC, PBS, WB, UPN. The closer ABC tower should be up in the next few months. See a few posts above. I would use a more powerful antenna than the SS but since you already have it give it a try first.





Hey Dave,

Check your PM.

jgoatley

Birmingham AL HDTV

robo, does your box have any other outputs, other than the RCA?

mwgiii

Birmingham AL HDTV

I think it has S-Video

robodude2

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by hilljec
Did you have good luck with the calibration?? Just wanted to know if you can tell any difference? Did he calibrate each input on your TV?

Thanks,
JEFF

Yes. He calibrated two inputs (one for HD sat and the other for std DVD), plus the internal ATSC tuner. He calibrated the Pure picture for my TV because it is the closest to perfect to begin with, however it cannot be set differently for each input. Becasue my Pioneer Elite panel provides controls for color temp and color managment in the user menu, there was no real reason to go into the service menu, unless I wanted him to hijack another pic mode for use with the DVD setting, which I did not necessarily care for. Since I watch HDTV via the tuner and the HD Sat box, there's no problem with having the same settings, but I have to adjust the DVD a little when I watch it. That's if I feel like doing so - the settings for the HD picture looks pretty good even for the DVD input. Overall, I think my picture looks better. Because the panel looks so good to begin with, and because I had already calibrated it myself using DVE, the resulting difference is not as much as it might be with a TV that is set to Torch Mode from the factory and doesn't have a pure/cinema/theater mode that is toned down already. The thing he did that I could not is setting the grayscale to 6500 Kelvin. That's what ISF is really about. Once you get D65 for gray, everything else starts to fall into place and the other calibrations are easier to make.

Jediphish

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhambrad
We should have the update by the end of the month. It's still not available in our area...yet. The new dvr rocks...there are things i miss about the hd tivos but the guide is very fast and it seems to get better with each update. the design of the case is awesome and it is so much smaller than the tivo as well. if you have been a customer for over a year they can offer you an upgrade. bad news is that there won't be any more of the hr20's for 2-3 weeks.

*** UPDATE ***
My HR20 will be here the first week of Jan. They called me last night but couldn't get an appointment util Jan.
Thanks very much for the info, bhambrad. I just called D* and after getting someone who could offer me an upgrade (the 1st CSR couldn't do anything for me) I was able to get the HR20 basically for free!! I guess being a good customer for 11 years helped with that. The install is scheduled for Jan. 3rd.

hartwise

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by hartwise
Thanks very much for the info, bhambrad. I just called D* and after getting someone who could offer me an upgrade (the 1st CSR couldn't do anything for me) I was able to get the HR20 basically for free!! I guess being a good customer for 11 years helped with that. The install is scheduled for Jan. 3rd.
AWESOME! More good news...both of my HR20's got the OTA update. I'm redy to test it! I can't wait for #3 to get here and finish off my install!

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

The setup is very easy and much better than the HR10-250 IMO. I have listed some problems below. Please advise if you have luck with these channels.

Problems:
13-1 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide
13-2 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide
40-2 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide (40-1 works fines though)

Are any of these networks being fed to directv directly from fiber from the stations?

Thanks,
Brad

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhvaughn
i'm hoping that someone can help me here. i just received my new wd52631 hdtv, and have so many questions. i live in helena and don't know where to begin. i have charter cable and am disappointed at their hd channel selection. i was thinking of switching to satellite. looks like dish has more hd channels, but doesn't offer locals in hd

does anyone have a preference b/w direct and dish (based on personal experience, etc)? just from what i've read dish may be the better of the two. if so, that brings me to my next problem...local hd. is it possible for me to get local hd channels in helena and if so what antenna(s) do i need to do this? please forgive me, but i'm new to all of this and somewhat overwhelmed.

any help will be greatly appreciated!
I live in Alabaster on CR17 near the Fox Valley Restaurant. I have a cheapo set of RCA rabbit ears with the UHF loop and pull in all HD locals except ABC. I put the rabbit ears behind the TV, and have not had many problems. Some days depending on the weather the signal will stutter but I just rotate the antenna a bit. I have looked at getting Direct TV with the HD locals, but Charter would charge me way to much for the internet access (No DSL in my area) without their cable package.

AU Chevy

Birmingham AL HDTV

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Originally Posted by AU Chevy
I have looked at getting Direct TV with the HD locals, but Charter would charge me way to much for the internet access (No DSL in my area) without their cable package.
Have you checked with Charter re: internet only?

This fall I went from Charter to Dish but retained Charter internet (3MG). Even though I was an existing customer, they gave me 6 mos at $43/month (w/ tax) which includes the mandatory basic cable (locals only). Not cheap, but not excessive compared to BellSouth FastAccess.

Given the advantages of Dish over Charter (significantly more HD channels, dramatically better DVR's, OTA integration, Sirius radio channels outputting to home stereo), I've been happy with the move. Furthermore, I was able to cancel separate subscriptions for old Tivos (had been retained to supplement crappy Charter DVR) and XM radio; thus, our total monthly outlay is slightly less.

slowmo

Birmingham AL HDTV

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Originally Posted by bhambrad
The setup is very easy and much better than the HR10-250 IMO. I have listed some problems below. Please advise if you have luck with these channels.

Problems:
13-1 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide
13-2 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide
40-2 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide (40-1 works fines though)

Are any of these networks being fed to directv directly from fiber from the stations?

Thanks,
Brad
33 is fed by fiber to direct. If you get 40-1 you should get 40-2 . Direct does not feed their guide data for 40-2. That may be a problem for this dvr.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhambrad
The setup is very easy and much better than the HR10-250 IMO. I have listed some problems below. Please advise if you have luck with these channels.

Problems:
13-1 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide
13-2 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide
40-2 Not showing picture or signal but shows in guide (40-1 works fines though)

Are any of these networks being fed to directv directly from fiber from the stations?

Thanks,
Brad

Brad,
Have you checked this thread at dbstalk: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=73643 ? Others are having similar experiences all over the country.

Also, I am assuming your second question, regarding fiber, is not necessarily related to the first issue, right? 13-1, 13-2, 40-2 all indicate OTA transmissions, whereas the MPEG-4 channels are not shown in the guide with sub-channel numbers (at least, from what I've heard). They just show 6, 13, 33, etc. Thus, fiber feeds would not be relevant to whether you can receive the OTA channels on the HR20. I'm pretty certain you know this already, which is why I asked if the two were supposed to be connected.

Jediphish

Birmingham AL HDTV

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Originally Posted by slowmo
Have you checked with Charter re: internet only?

This fall I went from Charter to Dish but retained Charter internet (3MG). Even though I was an existing customer, they gave me 6 mos at $43/month (w/ tax) which includes the mandatory basic cable (locals only). Not cheap, but not excessive compared to BellSouth FastAccess.

Given the advantages of Dish over Charter (significantly more HD channels, dramatically better DVR's, OTA integration, Sirius radio channels outputting to home stereo), I've been happy with the move. Furthermore, I was able to cancel separate subscriptions for old Tivos (had been retained to supplement crappy Charter DVR) and XM radio; thus, our total monthly outlay is slightly less.
Having the basic service is NOT a requirement and requiring it would be illegal.

You can have a Internet only connection. The price is $10 more a month. I have the 3Mbit service and and pay $52.99 per month.

The basic serice tier is more than $10/month.

kapeman

Birmingham AL HDTV

Bearmur,
I noticed a while back that 40.2 (and I assume 33.2) are anamorphically squeezed, so that if I have my 16:9 television set to stretch 480i images linearly, the images on the ABC weather channel are shown in their correct proportion. This is easily seen when looking at the ABC logo, which if the channel is displayed in normal 4:3 mode, appears squeezed, but when stretched to full, is perfectly round.

I'm just curious how the decision got made at the station to do something like this. Was it the general consensus that most people with widescreen TVs are stretching their 4:3 content? It works great on my plasma, on which I stretch all non-HD content, but on my direct-view crt it gets squeezed because I watch everything it is proper OAR.

Not saying its better one way or the other. Just interesting that it was given anamorphic treatment. Thanks in advance for any response.

Jediphish

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kapeman
Having the basic service is NOT a requirement and requiring it would be illegal.

You can have a Internet only connection. The price is $10 more a month. I have the 3Mbit service and and pay $52.99 per month.

The basic serice tier is more than $10/month.
When I checked (over a year ago), the cheapest (non-advertised) package was $15, which included less than 20 channels I believe (all analog).

Jediphish

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kapeman
Having the basic service is NOT a requirement and requiring it would be illegal.

You can have a Internet only connection. The price is $10 more a month. I have the 3Mbit service and and pay $52.99 per month.

The basic serice tier is more than $10/month.
In September, Charter included its published rate sheet in effect as of 8/1/06 for my area (mt brook). That sheet listed basic cable service for only $6.87 / month. Note that this is the local channels only (channels 2-13 for me) and is not "expanded basic" (adds channels 14-77 and 99) and costs $47 / month.

That sheet also noted that "customers are not required to subscribe to any tier of service, other than the basic service tier, in order to purchase premium channels, PPV and video-on-demand". While that language may not also address internet, I thought I had seen separate language on their website noting that basic service was needed for internet.

Regardless, as you note, you do have to pay a $10 "access fee" for non-TV internet service. In effect, we are paying for basic cable!

slowmo

Birmingham AL HDTV

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Originally Posted by Jediphish
Bearmur,
I noticed a while back that 40.2 (and I assume 33.2) are anamorphically squeezed, so that if I have my 16:9 television set to stretch 480i images linearly, the images on the ABC weather channel are shown in their correct proportion. This is easily seen when looking at the ABC logo, which if the channel is displayed in normal 4:3 mode, appears squeezed, but when stretched to full, is perfectly round.

I'm just curious how the decision got made at the station to do something like this. Was it the general consensus that most people with widescreen TVs are stretching their 4:3 content? It works great on my plasma, on which I stretch all non-HD content, but on my direct-view crt it gets squeezed because I watch everything it is proper OAR.

Not saying its better one way or the other. Just interesting that it was given anamorphic treatment. Thanks in advance for any response.
That channel was set up by Washington IT guy. My guess is he used a widescreen monitor.

bearmur

Birmingham AL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowmo
In September, Charter included its published rate sheet in effect as of 8/1/06 for my area (mt brook). That sheet listed basic cable service for only $6.87 / month. Note that this is the local channels only (channels 2-13 for me) and is not "expanded basic" (adds channels 14-77 and 99) and costs $47 / month.

That sheet also noted that "customers are not required to subscribe to any tier of service, other than the basic service tier, in order to purchase premium channels, PPV and video-on-demand". While that language may not also address internet, I thought I had seen separate language on their website noting that basic service was needed for internet.

Regardless, as you note, you do have to pay a $10 "access fee" for non-TV internet service. In effect, we are paying for basic cable!
That's interesting. Until about a 6 months ago or so we had lifeline basic cable at around $14.

I live in the Meadowbrook/280 area.

I'll check back with them. Thanks for the info!


edit: Why do they insist on making it so difficult to get pricing information on their website?
I don't get it. Isn't a webpage supposed to decrease support calls?

I just completed a chat on charter.com and they quoted me $15.95 for basic.

kapeman

Birmingham AL HDTV

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Originally Posted by kapeman

I just completed a chat on charter.com and they quoted me $15.95 for basic.

That's where I got the $15 amount that I mentioned above. I lived in Cahaba Heights at the time, so I think I was either part of Charter's Vestavia or Hoover service areas. I chose not to get Lifeline at that amount, kept paying the additional $10 non-cable-service fee, and watched HD locals via QAM whenever my antenna acted up without feeling bad about it.

Jediphish

Birmingham AL HDTV

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Originally Posted by Jediphish
Brad,
Have you checked this thread at dbstalk: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=73643 ? Others are having similar experiences all over the country.

Also, I am assuming your second question, regarding fiber, is not necessarily related to the first issue, right? 13-1, 13-2, 40-2 all indicate OTA transmissions, whereas the MPEG-4 channels are not shown in the guide with sub-channel numbers (at least, from what I've heard). They just show 6, 13, 33, etc. Thus, fiber feeds would not be relevant to whether you can receive the OTA channels on the HR20. I'm pretty certain you know this already, which is why I asked if the two were supposed to be connected.

I assumed it was a problem with the software. I reported it to level 2 support and hopefully they will address it.

As for the fiber - I noticed that abc 33/40 looks awesome and if Directv would feed NBC directly bypassing the multicasting and sucky outdated encoder the video quality would be a lot better. My 2nd question wasn't related to the first.

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

Looking for any recent news, info, or rumors out there re: when or if Charter will offer additional HD channels in Bham.

Jones4AU

Birmingham AL HDTV

because my charter cable sucks and i have a tech out here several days a week....a lot of techs claim you will have a ton on hd around the first of the year. these techs no nothing about hd so i wouldn't hold my breath.

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Originally Posted by Jones4AU
Looking for any recent news, info, or rumors out there re: when or if Charter will offer additional HD channels in Bham.

bhambrad

Birmingham AL HDTV

I am new to this HD stuff....I have an H20 from directv and get most locals ota....but the audio is really low on fox local HD as compared to the satallite SD....in fact the mpeg4 hd audio is a lot lower than the SD audio...

does anyone else have this issue or is it an issue with my television....espn hd and all the other hd channels sound fine...just mainly the locals?/

cstewa

Birmingham AL HDTV

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Originally Posted by cstewa
I am new to this HD stuff....I have an H20 from directv and get most locals ota....but the audio is really low on fox local HD as compared to the satallite SD....in fact the mpeg4 hd audio is a lot lower than the SD audio...

does anyone else have this issue or is it an issue with my television....espn hd and all the other hd channels sound fine...just mainly the locals?/
This is normal and not with your TV.

David Richardson

Birmingham AL HDTV

cstewa - This is copied from Dolby's website:

I'm tired of having to adjust the volume every time the
program changes or I switch sources or TV channels. Can Dolby
Digital help?

Yes. Conventional program sources often force you to readjust the volume when you change channels or play a different video. With Dolby Digital program sources, a feature called dialogue normalization lets you set playback volume and forget it.

Dialogue normalization automatically adjusts the volume when you change Dolby Digital programs so that the level of the dialogue remains constant. It does not alter the dynamic range, only the overall playback level, based on data about the dialogue that is coded into the program signal.

With dialogue normalization, you can "channel surf" when watching digital TV without having to adjust the volume each time you change channels. Those extra-loud commercials will be tamed. And you can play an evening's worth of DVD-Video discs without ever touching the volume control.

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The MPEG4 channels utlize DialNorm. I'm pretty sure the SD channels don't. Thus, its the lack of standardization that causes the volume differences.

Jediphish

Birmingham AL HDTV

Yep! Since I don't see all the channels being Dolby Digital any time soon the only option left will be receiving hardware handling this deviation.

David Richardson

Birmingham AL HDTV

thanks...a local friend confirmed he has the same issues...mainly with the local HD programs.

cstewa

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