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Question More news about HD on Time Warner Cable ( AVS Forum HDTV Programming )
Updated: 2008-05-23 09:31:26 (4289)
More news about HD on Time Warner Cable

Negotiations In Progress With TWC


NFL Network-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
Big Ten Network-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
IFC-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
AMC-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
WE-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
FUSE-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
USA-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
CNBC-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
Sci-Fi-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
Bravo-HD --- (Channel Available Now)
Chiller-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2008)
MSNBC-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2008)
MavTV-HD --- (Channel Launching in the Fall of 2008)



Negotiations Unknown With TWC


HD Channels Available Now

Rave-HD
Equator-HD
Gallery-HD
Animania-HD
Rush-HD
Ultra-HD
Monsters-HD
HD News
Film Fest-HD
Kung Fu-HD
WorldSport-HD
World Cinema-HD
Gameplay-HD
Family Room-HD
Treasure-HD
Sho Too-HD
Smithsonian-HD
Cartoon Network-HD
FX-HD
Fuel-HD
Nickelodeon East-HD
County Music Channel-HD
MTV-HD
VH1-HD
Spike-HD
WGN-HD
The Tennis Channel-HD
CBSCS-HD
TBN-HD
RFD-HD
HBO2-HD
HBO Family-HD
HBO Comedy-HD
HBO Signature-HD
HBO Zone-HD
MoreMax-HD
ActionMAX-HD
5StarMAX-HD
Lifetime Television-HD
QVC-HD
World Fishing Network-HD


HD Channels Launching

HBO Latino-HD --- (Channel Launching in June 2008)
ThrillerMAX-HD --- (Channel Launching in June 2008)
WMAX-HD --- (Channel Launching in June 2008)
@MAX-HD --- (Channel Launching in June 2008)
OuterMAX-HD --- (Channel Launching in June 2008)
Encore-HD --- (Channel Launching in July 2008)
ESPNU-HD --- (Channel Launching in August 2008)
Crime & Investigation HD --- (Channel Launching in Q4 2008)
TV One-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q4 2008)
HSN-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q4 2008)
ION TV-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2008)
SI TV-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2008)
BBC America-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2008)
OWN-HD (Discovery Health) --- (Channel Launching in 2009)
BTNC-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009)
Al Jazeera-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Soundtrack Channel-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Comedy Central-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)
BET-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)
MTV2-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)



Known Deals Done With TWC

HD Channels Available Now

HBO-HD
Cinemax-HD
Showtime-HD
The Movie Channel-HD
Starz-HD
Starz Comedy-HD
Starz Edge-HD
Starz Kids & Family-HD
ESPN-HD
ESPN2-HD
HDNet
HDNet Movies
MOJO
Universal-HD
TNT-HD
TBS-HD
DHDT
MHD
Golf/Versus-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
A&E-HD
History Channel-HD
National Geographic-HD
Lifetime Movie Network-HD
NHL Network-HD
CNN-HD
The Weather Channel-HD
The Science Channel-HD
The Discovery Channel-HD
The Learning Channel-HD
Animal Planet-HD
The Outdoor Channel-HD
Fox Business Network-HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
Travel Channel HD
ESPN News-HD
Disney Channel-HD
ABC Family-HD
Toon Disney-HD
Fox News-HD
Biography-HD
Game-HD (MLB Extra Innings & NHL Center Ice in HD)
Team-HD (NBA League Pass in HD)
WealthTV-HD --- (Currently TWC provides only HD-VOD content & only in San Antonio)

HD Channels Launching

Planet Green-HD (Discovery Home) --- (Coming soon to Bkyn, Qns & S.I.)
Speed-HD --- (Coming soon to Rochester, NY)
MGM-HD --- (Has the rights to, Launch TBA)
Sleuth-HD --- (Has the rights to, Channel Launching in 2008)



SDV Commercially Deployed for TWC

AS OF April 2008


Time Warner Cable Albany, N.Y.
Time Warner Cable Syracuse, N.Y.
Time Warner Cable Rochester, N.Y.
Time Warner Cable Binghamton, N.Y.
Time Warner Cable Southern Tier N.Y.
Time Warner Cable Austin, Texas
Time Warner Cable San Antonio, Texas
Time Warner Cable North Texas (Dallas-Fort Worth)
Time Warner Cable Oceanic Hawaii
Time Warner Cable Portland, Maine
Time Warner Cable Raleigh/Durham, N.C.
Time Warner Cable Charlotte, N.C.
Time Warner Cable Wilmington, N.C.
Time Warner Cable Greensboro, N.C.
Time Warner Cable Columbia, S.C.
Time Warner Cable Green Bay, Wis.
Time Warner Cable Milwaukee, Wis.
Time Warner Cable San Diego, Calif.
Time Warner Cable Kansas City, Mo.
Time Warner Cable Ohio Systems (Except North East Ohio)



Unknown SDV Deployment for TWC

Divisions with Passport need to Convert to Navigator in order to deploy SDV.
Divisions with SARA are fully capable now to deploy SDV.

Time Warner Cable Alabama
Time Warner Cable Barstow
Time Warner Cable Buffalo/Niagara (Early Summer)
Time Warner Cable Clarksburg
Time Warner Cable Desert Cities
Time Warner Cable Erie
Time Warner Cable Fort Benning
Time Warner Cable Hudson Valley
Time Warner Cable Jackson, MS/Monroe, LA
Time Warner Cable Los Angeles
Time Warner Cable National (non-clustered systems)
Time Warner Cable Nebraska (Lincoln) (Summer)
Time Warner Cable New York and New Jersey
Time Warner Cable North East Ohio
Time Warner Cable Southern California
Time Warner Cable Southwest (El Paso, Wichita Falls, Corpus Christi, Laredo, Border Corridor, Golden Triangle, Kerrville, Rio Grande Valley, and South Central)
Time Warner Cable Southwest Florida
Time Warner Cable St. John
Time Warner Cable Terre Haute


OCAP Deployment for TWC

Time Warner has deployed OpenCable-based set-tops in 13 divisions:

New York City and Northern New Jersey
Parts of Los Angeles (including Garden Grove, Chatsworth)
San Diego
Eastern North Carolina (Wilmington)
Raleigh, N.C.
Charlotte, N.C.
Lincoln, Neb.
Kansas City, Mo.
Milwaukee
Northeast Ohio
Cincinnati
Dayton, Ohio
Columbus, Ohio



Going All Digital

Staten Island, NY - Done
Queens, NY - Done
Brooklyn, NY - Done
Manhattan by June 2009



MPEG-4 TRANSCODING

Every TWC division has to install Transcoding equipment to convert MPEG-4 sent from programmers to MPEG-2 for broadcast (Programmers like HBO's Multiplex Channels will do MPEG-4)
It is currently unknown which TWC systems if any has done this yet.

Answers: More news about HD on Time Warner Cable ( AVS Forum HDTV Programming )
More news about HD on Time Warner Cable

Quote:
Originally Posted by dc10forlife
For cablecards, there is no need to scan for channels. All available channels, including HD channels, are automatically mapped for the TV. Most of the initial problems with cablecards were related to misconfiguration by the provider at the head end. If the cable providers had configured everything correctly from the start, it really is as simple as plug and play, and no "professional" installation is necessary.
Honest question: Is this true for all TV sets with CableCard? My customers have almost always had either satellite, or cable supplied STBs. I have dealt with a few QAM sets (including my own) and found the set-up process lengthy and a pain.

But, honest discussion of issues is what I prefer to engage in (while certain others do not).

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock

PS: I've never dealt with setting-up a CableCard set, but I've heard some of the horror stores and have delt with set-up of clear QAM, and with those, you spend 20 minutes trying to figure out the lousy translation from Chinese, or whatever, then wait 45 minutes for the scan to take place, followed by 2 hours manually deleting all the "junk" (OK, I exaggerate a little - but not too much!).
For cablecards, there is no need to scan for channels. All available channels, including HD channels, are automatically mapped for the TV. Most of the initial problems with cablecards were related to misconfiguration by the provider at the head end. If the cable providers had configured everything correctly from the start, it really is as simple as plug and play, and no "professional" installation is necessary.

dc10forlife

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Quote:
Originally Posted by optivity
Hence the (e.g.) accompanied my example. I guess you need another wiki authored refresher course.
or we could stop posting links to Wiki articles to state facts when any editorial professional could tell you that anything on Wikipedia is never used to prove a point or for fact checking, due to it's fluid nature and lack of consistency.

And then we could get back to discussing something actually relative to the topic.

VisionOn

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
There is nothing to indicate that TW (or any other cable company) will use the Samsung box. They are more likely to use the...
Hence the (e.g.) accompanied my example. I guess you need another wiki authored refresher course.

Dude... even Panasonic supports 4096 shades of gray.

optivity

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
and you posted a listing of HBO OnDemand programs.
which as was pointed out, was not relevant to the discussion of free VOD services, and ironically HBO VOD has quite a lot of content and is actually quite useful.

None of it is HD however, which is still disappointing.

VisionOn

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
PS: I've never dealt with setting-up a CableCard set, but I've heard some of the horror stores and have dealt with set-up of clear QAM, and with those, you spend 20 minutes trying to figure out the lousy translation from Chinese, or whatever, then wait 45 minutes for the scan to take place, followed by 2 hours manually deleting all the "junk" (OK, I exaggerate a little - but not too much!).
Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
Please: If you don't know what you are talking about - then don't
I know what I am but who are you, a "pot? or a ?kettle??

optivity

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Quote:
Originally Posted by optivity
Then we will be seeing a new STB (e.g. SMT-H3050) & a more expensive cable bill from Albany Time Warner.
There is nothing to indicate that TW (or any other cable company) will use the Samsung box. They are more likely to use the SA4240HDC as well as the beloved SA8300HDC (which you love to bash so much). Seeing that their costs are higher for these boxes, it certainly seems like the monthly charges could increase as a result.

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by optivity
Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
It (HBO) isn't free where optivity lives either - but he will always take the opportunity to trash TW when he can
You must be confused because I never said that:
Oh, Originally:
Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie33
On our service there isn't anything worth watching on free VOD
To which you responded:
Quote:
Originally Posted by optivity
That is not what Time Warner wants you to believe.
and you posted a listing of HBO OnDemand programs.

To which bernie33 responded:
Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie33
Ummm, HBO is not free where we live.
and I responded to that with:
Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
It (HBO) isn't free where optivity lives either - but he will always take the opportunity to trash TW when he can!

I think what Bernie33 meant were the stuff line CNN On Demand, Food Network OD, etc. Besides, who cares about OnDemand unless it is HD! But, I do know that some Comcast systems have a fair amount of free OnDemand HD stuff.
What I said (about your never missing an opportunity to trash TW) sure appears to be dead on!

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbanyHDTV
Albany TWC is trying to distribute all their old HD DVRs before the July 1st FCC deadline. The text below was sent via email to Albany TWC customers:
Quote:
Take advantage of our summer special on HD DVRs!

Don't have a digital video recorder? Stop by one of our payment centers by June 26, pick up an HD DVR, and we'll give you HD DVR service free for three months.

You must act quickly, however, because this offer ends Tuesday, June 26.

Some restrictions apply. Lease of a digital cable set-top box and remote control and subscription to Time Warner Cable digital cable service required. Available only to Time Warner Cable subscribers in the Capital/Saratoga/Berkshire region.
Then we will be seeing a new STB (e.g. SMT-H3050) & a more expensive cable bill from Albany Time Warner.

optivity

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
It (HBO) isn't free where optivity lives either - but he will always take the opportunity to trash TW when he can
You must be confused because I never said that:

Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie33
On our service there isn't anything worth watching on free VOD

Bernie
and:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich in ILMArre
Are you able to view all the free VOD channels? There is quite a bit of content on our system.
but thanks for putting those words into my mouth!

Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
PS: I've never dealt with setting-up a CableCard set, but I've heard some of the horror stores and have dealt with set-up of clear QAM, and with those, you spend 20 minutes trying to figure out the lousy translation from Chinese, or whatever, then wait 45 minutes for the scan to take place, followed by 2 hours manually deleting all the "junk" (OK, I exaggerate a little - but not too much!).
Ah ha!

Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
Please: If you don't know what you are talking about - then don't
Which all seems rather hypocritical to me.

optivity

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan54
I sat with the young man when he installed it and all he did was insert the card and call the office with the identification code. The girl in the office punched in the authorization code for what I have purchased and the community node and the card did the initial handshake. The node continues to recognize the card and use the proper service authorization. A miracle!
That's sounds easy enough! But, who took care of scanning the channels and all that? Lots of customers will expect the full scan and all that, and there are huge differences from brand to brand on that. If only part of the CableCard spec had a uniform procedure - but then the manufacturers probably wouldn't go along (product differentiation, control brand values, not dictated by cable, and all that stuff).

PS: I've never dealt with setting-up a CableCard set, but I've heard some of the horror stores and have delt with set-up of clear QAM, and with those, you spend 20 minutes trying to figure out the lousy translation from Chinese, or whatever, then wait 45 minutes for the scan to take place, followed by 2 hours manually deleting all the "junk" (OK, I exaggerate a little - but not too much!).

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
Their success may also be due to your particular display. The problem that cable companies have with either CableCards or clear QAM tuners is that the different set manufacturers (and even models withing a brand) have different set-up procedures. The cable techs are supposed to know their systems, but really are not in a position to master all the variations in set-up procedures that are out there.
I sat with the young man when he installed it and all he did was insert the card and call the office with the identification code. The girl in the office punched in the authorization code for what I have purchased and the community node and the card did the initial handshake. The node continues to recognize the card and use the proper service authorization. A miracle!

Stan54

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich in ILM
Arre you able to view all the free VOD channels? There is quite a bit of content on our system.

Also, how do you record HD channels for later viewing? For me being able to time shift and skip commercials on HD shows is a huge plus.

Just think cablecards are too little too late.
Yeah, free video on demand might make a box worthwhile. Personally, it doesn't matter, but another person might consider it important.

Someday, I think an HD recorder will be something I want. For now, however, I just watch what I want to see when it is on. On a few occasions I've recorded something in SD for later viewing.

Stan54

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Quote:
Originally Posted by optivity
Does my "twisted" ISP, Verizon, require SDV for it's FiOS program delivery?
But this thread is about HD on Time Warner - not Verizon. But I guess you didn't realize that?

davehancock

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Geez Dave... you're such a BIG fan of Time Warner... why don't you go & watch a rerun of "Sex In The City," on-Demand, with your $20 per month crappy old DVR right now?
Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
THE problem is that TW hasn't yet been motivated to add significantly more HD channels - SDV or Not
Because they have no competitive reason to do so, right Dude? This is the main reason that Verizon FiOS TV will be a good thing.

optivity

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pen15nv
Or reduction of the analog tier, or MPEG-4, or an upgrade of the system to 750MHz or 1GHz, or...

There are plenty of options for increasing bandwidth other than SDV, and all the other options I mentioned above GUARANTEE a bandwidth increase. SDV can easily be maxed out if all the SDV channels are being watched at once, thereby gaining nothing.
Like on Super Bowl Sunday?

optivity

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
If we want more HD channels (the subject of this thread - not your "twisted" opinion of the 8300) we will need SDV.
Does my "twisted" ISP, Verizon, require SDV for it's FiOS program delivery?

optivity

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pen15nv
Or reduction of the analog tier, or MPEG-4, or an upgrade of the system to 750MHz or 1GHz, or...
Most modern cable systems are at least 750MHz, and many are 1GHz. MPEG-4 would get us back to having cable supplied boxes as there are no MPEG-4 equipped sets, DVRs or any other cable connected equipment that can decode it (though it is interesting to note that HBO will be distributing all of their HD programs to cable & sat using MPEG-4).

SDV can easily be maxed out if all the SDV channels are being watched at once, thereby gaining nothing.[/quote]Not really (not in practice) as the SDV distribution is on a local (node) basis. Typically, 500 customers are connected to a node, so the odds all of those customers watching all the SDV channels at the same time are pretty minimal (at least that is what experience has shown).

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
If we want more HD channels...we will need SDV.
Or reduction of the analog tier, or MPEG-4, or an upgrade of the system to 750MHz or 1GHz, or...

There are plenty of options for increasing bandwidth other than SDV, and all the other options I mentioned above GUARANTEE a bandwidth increase. SDV can easily be maxed out if all the SDV channels are being watched at once, thereby gaining nothing.

pen15nv

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dc10forlife
What is the purpose of the integration ban? Its purpose is to encourage competition in the STB market so people aren't forced to rent a box from their cable company. SDV is an end run around the integration ban.
You are right on that (in terms of the purpose), but alas, the FCC simply did not pass their regulations that way.

The FCC has a history of reacting very slowly to mandates for change*. The real problem here is that they did not foresee the needs for two-way communication when they essentially jammed CableCards into existence.

IF the FCC were to take action, it would take so long to get things going that the "solution" (OCAP) would already be in place. As it is, they have been asking for updates on OCAP progress.

*Witness this whole business. Section 629 of the Communications Act (passed in 1996), which is titled ?Competitive Availability of Navigation Devices, requires the Commission to:
Quote:
adopt regulations to assure the commercial availability, to consumers of
multichannel video programming and other services offered over multichannel
video programming systems, of converter boxes, interactive communications
equipment, and other equipment used by consumers to access, multichannel video
programming and other services offered over multichannel video programming
systems, from manufacturers, retailers, and other vendors not affiliated with any
multichannel video programming distributor.
It has taken the FCC (thanks, some will note, to delays by the cable industry) to get to the point where cable companies have to use CableCards in their boxes. And that is ALL that has come out of the FCC on this matter (one also needs to note who appoints the head of the FCC to recognize the big-business friendly posture of that governmental body).

davehancock

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What free channels can you get from providers other than cable?

Gary J

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rick490
I find it a little troubling that the current trend with the cable companies is to encrypt everything except locals. In the past a huge advantage of cable was that it didn't require a box on each television, unless to receive premiums, etc.
It may be a trend to you, but we have been scrambled for 20 some odd years.

While I seem to be a well know TWC hater, it is not in this area. 20 years ago, I'd guess a good 60%+ of all cable TV customers never sent any monthly checks for that service. A good part of the issue was that the cable guys strung wire all over the place with not one thought to securing it in any way (i.e. they totally cheaped out, so it kinda was their fault to start with). In a large urban area, that made it real easy to steal. Get this, for the premiums they used to put a trap (small inch long mini "box" inline with the cable before it entered your apartment) on the line. Everyone knew all you had to do was replace that with a dual female connector and bingo, you got the premiums.

So it sure DOES make sense that they'd protect their revenue stream by scrambling. STILL, one CAN get a good assortment of channels around here that are not scrambled... AND a lot of wire is far better protected than before.

Riverside_Guy

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I find it a little troubling that the current trend with the cable companies is to encrypt everything except locals. In the past a huge advantage of cable was that it didn't require a box on each television, unless to receive premiums, etc.

I fully understand the necessity to conserve bandwidth, thus sdv should be used. I would, however, like to see a blend of sdv, unencrypted, and encrypted channels so that assuming we have digital tuners in our televisions, that we could receive say forty channels on any tv without any box.

rick490

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyG
A question came up in the Los Angeles local TWC thread that I thought I'd post here. What are the chances of SDV channels being also broadcast in the clear QAM? There are some parts of the country that already have SDV, so if you could let us know if the SDV channels are available in clear QAM that would be great.
It seems like a complete impossibility, but then again I know little to nothing about this, so thought I'd ask.
Believe you've reached the right conclusion. Putting SDV channels also on unencrypted QAM would defeat the purpose of switched digital video--leaving less frequently watched channels off the cable spectrum (boosting available bandwidth) until they're requested by one or more subscribers. As these articles point out, figuring which channels are suitable for SDV must be done carefully:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html
--John

John Mason

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If a cablecard is required to send the request, I am not sure why it would matter if a channel on SDV was on clear QAM. But if I recall correctly, someone (xnappo?) from Austin (in either the 8300 SARA or eSATA threads) reported viewing the SDV channels (similar to watching your neighbors On-Demand) which might indicate that they are not encrypted in at least one location.

I guess maybe if you had a CC STB tuned in the living room, you might find the SDV channel on a bedroom TV with QAM, but would you not have to re-scan to find the newly assigned channel every time? Or call your neighbor to tune the channel so it does not go away?

v/r,
C-F

CANNON-FODDER

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A question came up in the Los Angeles local TWC thread that I thought I'd post here. What are the chances of SDV channels being also broadcast in the clear QAM? There are some parts of the country that already have SDV, so if you could let us know if the SDV channels are available in clear QAM that would be great.
It seems like a complete impossibility, but then again I know little to nothing about this, so thought I'd ask.

Thanks.
Rudy

RudyG

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Amazing, we are 50 minutes from Greensboro (in Raleigh) and TWC here does not have History Channel HD

BigDawgQC

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Quote:
Originally Posted by davehancock
Here is the link: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

But please note: there are several exceptions. For example:
Basically the only way to keep a dish in a condo complex run by a-holes is if it's tripod mounted on your balcony so that it doesn't even stick out over the railing (if there is one). Since balconies are typically considered "exclusive use." If you are too cheap for a tripod you could try a 4x4, a bag of quickrete, a 5-gallon bucket and some lag screws. Just don't forget it's out there when/if it gets windy

twelvepbrs

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Quote:
Originally Posted by larrude
I don't remember the details, but it seems to me that there was a regulation passed about 10 years ago that condo's and home owner associations (HOA) could no longer restrict sat dishes. It is printed in our HOA bylaws, but hasn't been enforced as long as I have lived there (over 9 years).

I can't post links (less than 3 posts total), but if you Google satellite dish and condo associations, it will lead you to the fcc.gov.mb/facts/otard.html
Here is the link: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

But please note: there are several exceptions. For example:
Quote:
The rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners where the antenna user does not have an exclusive use area. Such common areas may include the roof or exterior wall of a multiple dwelling unit. Therefore, restrictions on antennas installed in or on such common areas are enforceable.

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by eric53110
So I got news that I need to take my Sat dish down from my condo board member. GRRR. Nothing like being lied to by my realtor.
Thanks in advance.
I don't remember the details, but it seems to me that there was a regulation passed about 10 years ago that condo's and home owner associations (HOA) could no longer restrict sat dishes. It is printed in our HOA bylaws, but hasn't been enforced as long as I have lived there (over 9 years).

I can't post links (less than 3 posts total), but if you Google satellite dish and condo associations, it will lead you to the fcc.gov.mb/facts/otard.html

larrude

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So I got news that I need to take my Sat dish down from my condo board member. GRRR. Nothing like being lied to by my realtor.

Any how, I am going back to TWC in Milwaukee, WI. I'm going to get their junky HD service and DVR. Something is better than nothing right!?

My question is, should I ask for a specific DVR receiver? Is one better than the other? I had one once before I got my dish that had that new Voyager guide on it. The only thing I liked about it was it told you how much space you had remaining on it. I also noticed that they put in 2 cable cards on it. It seemed buggy though. I had to hard boot it twice in a week before I got rid of it.

So any help would greatly be appreciated....unless they just give me what they give me and I have no choice.

Thanks in advance.

eric53110

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Animal Planet HD? Wow, I'm gussing it'll be 2010 here in NE Wisconsin before we see that one. Here's our exciting addtions (subtractions actually) for January 2008! Great way to start out the new year! (I never watched these channels, but I think it's funny they just keep taking away services and continue to put off HD)

In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

Effective January 30, 2008, Answers on Demand, channel 1999, and Answers on Demand en Espanol, channel 1998, will no longer be on our lineup. Effective February 2, 2008, VH Uno, channel 577 on our Nuestra Tele channel package, will no longer be available.

Lizardgi

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Animal Planet HD? Wow, I'm gussing it'll be 2010 here in NE Wisconsin before we see that one. Here's our exciting addtions (subtractions actually) for January 2008! Great way to start out the new year! (I never watched these channels, but I think it's funny they just keep taking away services and continue to put off HD)

In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

Effective January 30, 2008, Answers on Demand, channel 1999, and Answers on Demand en Espanol, channel 1998, will no longer be on our lineup. Effective February 2, 2008, VH Uno, channel 577 on our Nuestra Tele channel package, will no longer be available.
We are receiving the same "quality" service as you, except that they cannot even get the moving of channels right. They have been changing the dates for months as to when AZN will move to the digital tier (started in October, I believe). When they started announcing this move, I figured that it was a good sign - making room for more HD channels, but at this point, they are just playing with us.

In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

Jewelry TV (Ch. 69) will be moved to the Digital Variety tier on or after February 6th, 2008. VHUno will be terminating operations on or about February 2nd, 2008, and will be taken off air. Columbus, Circleville, Mt. Vernon, Delaware, Marysville, Lancaster, and Pataskala customers only: AZN Television (Ch. 11) will be moved to the Digital Variety tier on or after February 6th, 2008.


They have until the end of February to get their act together, or I am taking my measly $2,400/year and spending it elsewhere. They raised our prices this month, and have done nothing to justify it - oh, excuse me, we did get ESPN2 (about time) and TBSHD (they can have it back) and The Big Ten Network - oh wait a minute, we did NOT get BTN, why would I think that we should be able to watch Ohio State sports in Columbus, Ohio.

TivoSavedTV

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It seems as if TWC of San Antonio will Launch Animal Planet-HD on 01/31/2008.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/sanan...g/updates.html

AndyHDTV

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Happy times, Greensboro, NC-TWC subscribers, but many other TWC locations are still waiting for the many, if not most of the HD channels that you have and several other TWC locations around the country are still missing.

National HD channels such as FXHD, Sci-FiHD and USAHD would be excellent additions to TWC's national channel carriage; however, the only way our Wisconsin subscribers (among other TWC locations) will get what you have now, including those other mentioned HD channels, is to switch to DirectHD !

Yes...TWC Wisconsin is THAT backward.

So as for someone from TWC reading this (or even caring to), I don't honestly think they care about HD channel additions, even with the competition having so many of them.

-But please, keep "dreaming"!

gparris

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I actually thought 2007 was a great year for HD on TWC. Here in Greensboro we finally got:

Our 2 local Sinclair affiliates (including ABC) in HD
ESPN2-HD (this was, by far the worst omission for me)
Versus/Golf HD (I really wish this would be split or switched to just Versus. As is I never watch it)
A&E HD (almost completely useless)
Food HD (well, my wife loves it)
HGTV HD (I am shocked how much I watch this)
TBS HD (shockingly lacking in HD programming, but it's still a channel I watch frequently)
CNNHD
HistoryHD (not bad at all)
Nat Geo HD (not bad at all)

At the beginning of last year, I would have said that TWC's HD offerings were completely unacceptable. Now, I think they are very close to fully satisfying me. All I really want now are FX, Sci-Fi, USA, Fox Sports Net, and BBC America (when its HD channel launches) and I will be more than happy with the HD lineup. If 2008 is as good as 2007 for them adding channels, then I would expect to get nearly all of them. Of course, who knows if it will be that good a year....

pwrmetal

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I actually thought 2007 was a great year for HD on TWC. Here in Greensboro we finally got:

Our 2 local Sinclair affiliates (including ABC) in HD
ESPN2-HD (this was, by far the worst omission for me)
Versus/Golf HD (I really wish this would be split or switched to just Versus. As is I never watch it)
A&E HD (almost completely useless)
Food HD (well, my wife loves it)
HGTV HD (I am shocked how much I watch this)
TBS HD (shockingly lacking in HD programming, but it's still a channel I watch frequently)
CNNHD
HistoryHD (not bad at all)
Nat Geo HD (not bad at all)

At the beginning of last year, I would have said that TWC's HD offerings were completely unacceptable. Now, I think they are very close to fully satisfying me. All I really want now are FX, Sci-Fi, USA, Fox Sports Net, and BBC America (when its HD channel launches) and I will be more than happy with the HD lineup. If 2008 is as good as 2007 for them adding channels, then I would expect to get nearly all of them. Of course, who knows if it will be that good a year....
I sure hope someone from TWC is reading, because the channels that would make us all happy are pretty consistently listed as FX, Sci-fi, USA and then a small handful of others. I personally would like comedy and cartoon network, although I imagine that both will be stretchovision for at least a good year.

EDIT: Oh, and Speed HD would be nice, but it hasn't even launched yet I believe. F1, WSBK, etc in HD = pure goodness.

TexRob

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I've been with twc for over a year now, I have 2 8300's, and the quality of the hd chaneels I have are great, atleast on my system, they just gave us foodhd, nghd and hgtvhd last week

bennyt

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So someone correct me if I am wrong, or off-base here, But isn't this thread about more HD on TIME WARNER. Not about Brighthouse, DirecTV, or Dish.
I said the same thing a page or two back, but then got told that since TWC is so slow to add stuff, that nobody fought the idle chatter in the thread because it helped keep the thread from dissapearing. So, when the D* shill started ranting, I decided to stoke the fire a little

TexRob

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I would love to switch to D** but as of right now I have 3 HDTV's and one SDTV I also use On Demand almost on a daily bases as well as two DVR's. I am also purchasing Internet and Phone from TW. The costs for me to switch are just not worth it. By football season next year if TW has not reached an agreement with the NFL network and the HD channel availability is not up to par then I will definetly be making a switch. It is very depressing right now to continue to check forums, TW website, and HD channels on a daily basis to see absolutely nothing added. I beleive on my system their are more spanish channels than HD...
Where do you live? TX or CA? Oh, tex1080, yep. I would gladly trade some English speaking HD channels for good Mexican food...I miss it so badly.

TexRob

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I don't consider Sci-fi, FX, USA and Discovery fringe channels. TWC needs to get those like... NOW!

xnappo
Agreed. I think if they added those and just a handful of others, we'd have the core, important (to the mass market), HD channels. I fully except that D* smokes TWC for regional HD sports, in which case D* is the CLEAR winner. But if TWC can just get about 5-10 more HD channels, the right ones, and the rest of the premium HD versions, I would not consider D* again.

TexRob

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Bright House Networks is a cable television company owned by Advance/Newhouse, headquartered in Syracuse, New York. The company provides service to cities including Indianapolis, Central Florida (Orlando area), Daytona Beach area, Tampa Bay area, Birmingham-Hoover area, west suburban Detroit and Bakersfield. Most of its business is concentrated in Central Florida, where Bright House is the dominant cable system in the Tampa and Orlando TV markets.

These systems were all owned by the Time Warner Entertainment - Advance/Newhouse Partnership but, under a deal struck in 2003, Advance/Newhouse took direct management and operational responsibility for portion of the partnership cable systems roughly equal to their equity. Ostensibly, this was due to A/N's dissatisfaction with Time Warner Cable's strategic direction. Time Warner still owns a stake in Bright House Networks even though Advance/Newhouse runs the day to day operation of the company.

Brighthouse Networks currently offers TV Service (analog, digital and HD), high speed internet, wireless home networking, digital phone and Pivot cell phone service in most areas.

kevinivey

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Brighthouse is Time Warner.

So unless I am off-base here, its accepted that I report on new channels and line-ups as they pertain to Brighthouse, because it is relevant to the TWC subscribers in the nation.

tighr

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So someone correct me if I am wrong, or off-base here, But isn't this thread about more HD on TIME WARNER. Not about Brighthouse, DirecTV, or Dish.

davehancock

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They are all former TWC subs still trying to justify.

Gary J

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If all these cats are so in love with D*, why even post in this thread?

kevinivey

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I'm not in love with D*, I just am tired of hearing BHN tell me I'll get new HD channels, but not tell me what or when. My bill several months ago said "We just added TBS-HD, look out for more HD channels by the end of the year". I got National Geographic. Meanwhile, I hear about all these new channels that everyone else is getting on other services.

I'd gladly stay with BHN if they were more competitive, but sadly its the only cableco I can get in this apartment, and I don't want to sign up for satellite until I move.

tighr

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I'm in an apartment right now, and planning on buying a house in a few months. At that point, I'm dropping Brighthouse Networks and going for a few months without cable/satellite (why bother, everyone is on strike anyway, and I get the majors in HD OTA. Football season is over, I don't need ESPN anymore).

I think when I settle in, I'll order up either D* or E*, depending on which one is cheapest. As for internet, I'll have to figure something out. But there is no way I'm going to continue paying what I'm paying now for service.

tighr

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not to turn this into a D* vs TWC but pen, the things you listed as why Directvs DVR is better then TIme warner are all wrong (except the internal drive part)

HD channels has to do with capacity, and while yes D* has a leg up now Time warner will be there soon, google SDV.
No, mustn't fight. But still, D*'s DVR is much, much better. You can omit whatever channels you wish from the IPG. The IPG is widescreen. Recorded programs you've watched part of are shaded in the listing, and where you were is always remembered, so you can resume watching from that point. Recordings of series episodes are collected into folders. The IPG goes out 2 weeks. Marking a program to record takes one key stroke. The search functions work and are useful. I could go on and on.

TWC may, someday, get to where D* is now, but that doesn't mean it's going to catch D*. Google D11 launch.

GregLee

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I would love to switch to D** but as of right now I have 3 HDTV's and one SDTV I also use On Demand almost on a daily bases as well as two DVR's. I am also purchasing Internet and Phone from TW. The costs for me to switch are just not worth it. By football season next year if TW has not reached an agreement with the NFL network and the HD channel availability is not up to par then I will definetly be making a switch. It is very depressing right now to continue to check forums, TW website, and HD channels on a daily basis to see absolutely nothing added. I beleive on my system their are more spanish channels than HD...

tex1080

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Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER
Eventually, this balance between not encrypting QAM for consumer attraction and compatibility/simplicity, but lost revenue (not subscribing to Digital) from the attracted folks and the presumable analog maintenance/translation requirement: since this may mean boxes for almost everybody [who does not have one already] --- could a cable company walk the line and put the encryption device into a meterbox (only in the suburbs Riverside_Guy?) and just pump out everything authorized inside the house in the clear? Some standard message to request an SDV channel from those CE devices who wish to have that functionality? Probably does not fit the up-sale model. You want the combo with that?

v/r,
C-F
I think that some shifting technology is at play here. While I have TONS to be angry at TWC about (latest example... Apple announces the start of a HD download service, TWC immediately says it is having a trial to charge a lot more for IP connectivity based on usage, thus potentially stalling any chance HD movie downloads may have as being a viable business), I DO think they have a right to not get ripped off (although it sure is tempting to think of ripped them off if one really thinks WE have been ripped off, and paying more money for less content sure seems to indicate we in Manhattan ARE getting ripped off).

From what I've read so far, things may be looked at very differently when DCAS is a reality (as I understand it, DCAS accomplishes the whole security thing essentially from the head end, so cable cards and STBs can go away (in a manner of speaking).

Riverside_Guy

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Here in Austin on 1/31 we are getting:

National Geographic HD
The Movie Channel HD
Versus/Golf HD
Fox Business News HD
History Channel HD
Lifetime Movie Network HD
Weather Channel HD

Source: http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/?SecID=1 Right side below the weather.

AustinSTI

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Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER

Eventually, this balance between not encrypting QAM for consumer attraction and compatibility/simplicity, but lost revenue (not subscribing to Digital) from the attracted folks and the presumable analog maintenance/translation requirement: since this may mean boxes for almost everybody [who does not have one already] ---
v/r,
C-F
For me I can see myself using clear QAM for my 3rd, 4th, 5th TV.... But maybe by the time I replace my 3rd, 4th, 5th TV they will all be OCAP or networked to my DVR somehow.

xnappo

xnappo

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So basically you are asking for the basic cable package for free?

Gary J

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So basically you are asking for the basic cable package for free?
No, they could use traps on QAM frequencies just like they do now with analog channels. In fact I think the same traps they are using now for people subscribing to just the locals would work. I am asking for clear QAM == clear analog.

Why do you think it is okay for all TVs to require a box or cable card or OCAP cost to get the basic 80 channels in 2015 vs. getting them by just connecting the TV in 2005?

xnappo

xnappo

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Originally Posted by davehancock
The CableCARD does not (and never has) initiate a request for a channel. The CableCARD is only a security device. The request process requires 2-way communication, which can only come from the device housing the CableCARD.

This is a all too frequent misunderstanding. All CableCARDs have always been compatible with the 2-way process. It's just been that there were (till now) any two way consumer owned devices. The only devices capable of 2-way have been cable boxes till now.
Understand the concept part of security role and 2-way capability of the card vice STB/device (got it, a needs improvement for technical accuracy).

However, that lack of detail is not really pertinent unless there are non-cable provided devices that can request a SDV channel without a CableCARD. The unencrypted QAM tuner still needs a cable-box or some CE-device with a CableCARD to request the channel, and then a scan to find which channel it is on ...
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Originally Posted by xnappo
2. The next question is once someone in your neighborhood tunes an SDV channel, is it available 'in the clear'. I do remember someone reporting this to be the case, but it was not me. I do not use QAM (but might if #1 were to happen). This is interesting - but not very useful.

xnappo
I agree, which is the only reason I entered the fray. I did try QAM and got some channels, but it was a pain to map them, the cable company could change the QAM at any time. What I thought he was proposing was catching SDV like OnDemand, where the prospect of finding a neighbor who likes to watch what you do, when you do, FF/RW like you do, and pay like you do not is problematic for me, even absent the constant re-scans to find the channels (although potential to map all the available pool of channels exists) . A cable card was an extra $5 on a $118 bill, but I would be much happier if I could get the guide with it, and have debated returning the card as it really only adds HD for MOJO, HDNet, UHD (I do not watch sports) vice OTA...

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Originally Posted by xnappo
1. For NON-SDV channels (which are usually the most popular channels) why not petition the FCC to mandate non-premium channels be in the clear like the 'old' cable system. (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/14...clear-our-qam/)
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy
IMO, this is not worth a fight. Reason being that especially in urban environments, this makes it very easy to steal the service. Much as I detest TWC, I can't advocate making them do something that will result in substantially more theft of services for them (then again, I also feel they are stealing FROM us by making sure folks in Manhattan pay MPRE for LESS).

OTOH, once DCAS becomes a reality (hope I got the acronym correct) it becomes kind of moot.
Other than what I mentioned above, I can't argue the point or counter-point. I know there are folks here that are happy with the clear QAM HD and do not subscribe to Digital Cable. Others, like me either have a DVR (with digital cable) or find the mapping and potentially whimsical re-mapping too much trouble.

Eventually, this balance between not encrypting QAM for consumer attraction and compatibility/simplicity, but lost revenue (not subscribing to Digital) from the attracted folks and the presumable analog maintenance/translation requirement: since this may mean boxes for almost everybody [who does not have one already] --- could a cable company walk the line and put the encryption device into a meterbox (only in the suburbs Riverside_Guy?) and just pump out everything authorized inside the house in the clear? Some standard message to request an SDV channel from those CE devices who wish to have that functionality? Probably does not fit the up-sale model. You want the combo with that?

v/r,
C-F

CANNON-FODDER

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Originally Posted by xnappo
Guys,

I think there is some confusion here. There are a two points which are very different that I think are worth discussing:

1. For NON-SDV channels (which are usually the most popular channels) why not petition the FCC to mandate non-premium channels be in the clear like the 'old' cable system. (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/14...clear-our-qam/)
IMO, this is not worth a fight. Reason being that especially in urban environments, this makes it very easy to steal the service. Much as I detest TWC, I can't advocate making them do something that will result in substantially more theft of services for them (then again, I also feel they are stealing FROM us by making sure folks in Manhattan pay MPRE for LESS).

OTOH, once DCAS becomes a reality (hope I got the acronym correct) it becomes kind of moot.

Quote:
2. The next question is once someone in your neighborhood tunes an SDV channel, is it available 'in the clear'. I do remember someone reporting this to be the case, but it was not me. I do not use QAM (but might if #1 were to happen). This is interesting - but not very useful.

xnappo
I've heard this as well... I thought it was very much like when you swap a box for one with a possible new service, you may find some period of time where you get more than you pay for... my favorite was going from a 8000 to a 8000 DVR, I got 2 full weeks of EVERYTHING (and I mean everything, all PPV movies I could get without paying). Although when I went from the 8000 DVR top the 8300HD DVR, I got the 5 HDXtra HD channels (but NOT DiscHD). 3 days later it sorted itself pout and I got exactly what I paid for and not a drip more.

Riverside_Guy

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Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER

Eventually, this balance between not encrypting QAM for consumer attraction and compatibility/simplicity, but lost revenue (not subscribing to Digital) from the attracted folks and the presumable analog maintenance/translation requirement: since this may mean boxes for almost everybody [who does not have one already] ---
v/r,
C-F
For me I can see myself using clear QAM for my 3rd, 4th, 5th TV.... But maybe by the time I replace my 3rd, 4th, 5th TV they will all be OCAP or networked to my DVR somehow.

xnappo

xnappo

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Originally Posted by xnappo
For me I can see myself using clear QAM for my 3rd, 4th, 5th TV.... But maybe by the time I replace my 3rd, 4th, 5th TV they will all be OCAP or networked to my DVR somehow.

xnappo
That's exactly what I do for our 2nd (Kitchen) & 3rd (BR) HDTV. Only have a STB/DVR on the "main" TV.

davehancock

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Originally Posted by davehancock
The CableCARD does not (and never has) initiate a request for a channel. The CableCARD is only a security device. The request process requires 2-way communication, which can only come from the device housing the CableCARD.

This is a all too frequent misunderstanding. All CableCARDs have always been compatible with the 2-way process. It's just been that there were (till now) any two way consumer owned devices. The only devices capable of 2-way have been cable boxes till now.
Understand the concept part of security role and 2-way capability of the card vice STB/device (got it, a needs improvement for technical accuracy).

However, that lack of detail is not really pertinent unless there are non-cable provided devices that can request a SDV channel without a CableCARD. The unencrypted QAM tuner still needs a cable-box or some CE-device with a CableCARD to request the channel, and then a scan to find which channel it is on ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo
2. The next question is once someone in your neighborhood tunes an SDV channel, is it available 'in the clear'. I do remember someone reporting this to be the case, but it was not me. I do not use QAM (but might if #1 were to happen). This is interesting - but not very useful.

xnappo
I agree, which is the only reason I entered the fray. I did try QAM and got some channels, but it was a pain to map them, the cable company could change the QAM at any time. What I thought he was proposing was catching SDV like OnDemand, where the prospect of finding a neighbor who likes to watch what you do, when you do, FF/RW like you do, and pay like you do not is problematic for me, even absent the constant re-scans to find the channels (although potential to map all the available pool of channels exists) . A cable card was an extra $5 on a $118 bill, but I would be much happier if I could get the guide with it, and have debated returning the card as it really only adds HD for MOJO, HDNet, UHD (I do not watch sports) vice OTA...

Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo
1. For NON-SDV channels (which are usually the most popular channels) why not petition the FCC to mandate non-premium channels be in the clear like the 'old' cable system. (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/14...clear-our-qam/)
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy
IMO, this is not worth a fight. Reason being that especially in urban environments, this makes it very easy to steal the service. Much as I detest TWC, I can't advocate making them do something that will result in substantially more theft of services for them (then again, I also feel they are stealing FROM us by making sure folks in Manhattan pay MPRE for LESS).

OTOH, once DCAS becomes a reality (hope I got the acronym correct) it becomes kind of moot.
Other than what I mentioned above, I can't argue the point or counter-point. I know there are folks here that are happy with the clear QAM HD and do not subscribe to Digital Cable. Others, like me either have a DVR (with digital cable) or find the mapping and potentially whimsical re-mapping too much trouble.

Eventually, this balance between not encrypting QAM for consumer attraction and compatibility/simplicity, but lost revenue (not subscribing to Digital) from the attracted folks and the presumable analog maintenance/translation requirement: since this may mean boxes for almost everybody [who does not have one already] --- could a cable company walk the line and put the encryption device into a meterbox (only in the suburbs Riverside_Guy?) and just pump out everything authorized inside the house in the clear? Some standard message to request an SDV channel from those CE devices who wish to have that functionality? Probably does not fit the up-sale model. You want the combo with that?

v/r,
C-F

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Originally Posted by davehancock
That's exactly what I do for our 2nd (Kitchen) & 3rd (BR) HDTV. Only have a STB/DVR on the "main" TV.
Yeah - so it would be nice if clear QAM channels == clear analog channels. But I am not holding my breath.

xnappo

xnappo

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Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER
If you simply have a QAM tuner, maybe you could see them (based upon memory of the earlier posts), but to guarantee the channel you want to watch is broadcast, you must have a device to request the channel (i.e. CC or STB). Otherwise, you are at the mercy of whatever the other people on your local [node] desire to watch, and you may have to re-scan to find them.

v/r,
C-F
Guys,

I think there is some confusion here. There are a two points which are very different that I think are worth discussing:

1. For NON-SDV channels (which are usually the most popular channels) why not petition the FCC to mandate non-premium channels be in the clear like the 'old' cable system. (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/14...clear-our-qam/)

2. The next question is once someone in your neighborhood tunes an SDV channel, is it available 'in the clear'. I do remember someone reporting this to be the case, but it was not me. I do not use QAM (but might if #1 were to happen). This is interesting - but not very useful.

xnappo

xnappo

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Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER
But, as I understand it, a cablecard or STB is required to initiate the [instantiation] of a particular SDV channel -- which was my point.
The CableCARD does not (and never has) initiate a request for a channel. The CableCARD is only a security device. The request process requires 2-way communication, which can only come from the device housing the CableCARD.

This is a all too frequent misunderstanding. All CableCARDs have always been compatible with the 2-way process. It's just been that there were (till now) any two way consumer owned devices. The only devices capable of 2-way have been cable boxes till now.

davehancock

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Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo
Guys,

I think there is some confusion here. There are a two points which are very different that I think are worth discussing:

1. For NON-SDV channels (which are usually the most popular channels) why not petition the FCC to mandate non-premium channels be in the clear like the 'old' cable system. (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/14...clear-our-qam/)
IMO, this is not worth a fight. Reason being that especially in urban environments, this makes it very easy to steal the service. Much as I detest TWC, I can't advocate making them do something that will result in substantially more theft of services for them (then again, I also feel they are stealing FROM us by making sure folks in Manhattan pay MPRE for LESS).

OTOH, once DCAS becomes a reality (hope I got the acronym correct) it becomes kind of moot.

Quote:
2. The next question is once someone in your neighborhood tunes an SDV channel, is it available 'in the clear'. I do remember someone reporting this to be the case, but it was not me. I do not use QAM (but might if #1 were to happen). This is interesting - but not very useful.

xnappo
I've heard this as well... I thought it was very much like when you swap a box for one with a possible new service, you may find some period of time where you get more than you pay for... my favorite was going from a 8000 to a 8000 DVR, I got 2 full weeks of EVERYTHING (and I mean everything, all PPV movies I could get without paying). Although when I went from the 8000 DVR top the 8300HD DVR, I got the 5 HDXtra HD channels (but NOT DiscHD). 3 days later it sorted itself pout and I got exactly what I paid for and not a drip more.

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Originally Posted by RudyG
Hey C-F you kinda lost me on your points above. Cable card or STB are not required for clear QAM. That's kinda the whole point of QAM. That it is basically makes your TV cable ready but for digital channels. Many people like the technology because it saves them as much as $20 per month of renting the Cable company equipment and service charges for them. Especially since that equipment is proprietary and has been since its birth.
But, as I understand it, a cablecard or STB is required to initiate the [instantiation] of a particular SDV channel -- which was my point.

I am not an expert, nor visited Holiday Inn last night, YMMV, et. al. -- but the whole point of SDV is that if no one (that is able to talk back to the system) is watching, the channel will not be broadcast. [Someone] on your local [node] must have a two-way device asking to view the particular channel you wish to view. Once a request is made, the channel is usually assigned to a rotating pool of [QAM carriers] which the CC or STB then map to the displayed number.

If you simply have a QAM tuner, maybe you could see them (based upon memory of the earlier posts), but to guarantee the channel you want to watch is broadcast, you must have a device to request the channel (i.e. CC or STB). Otherwise, you are at the mercy of whatever the other people on your local [node] desire to watch, and you may have to re-scan to find them.

I just believe that is a lot to ask, uncertainty of channel availability, combined with the potential for numerous channel scans to find the channel you want.


v/r,
C-F

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If you simply have a QAM tuner, maybe you could see them (based upon memory of the earlier posts), but to guarantee the channel you want to watch is broadcast, you must have a device to request the channel (i.e. CC or STB). Otherwise, you are at the mercy of whatever the other people on your local [node] desire to watch, and you may have to re-scan to find them.

v/r,
C-F
Guys,

I think there is some confusion here. There are a two points which are very different that I think are worth discussing:

1. For NON-SDV channels (which are usually the most popular channels) why not petition the FCC to mandate non-premium channels be in the clear like the 'old' cable system. (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/14...clear-our-qam/)

2. The next question is once someone in your neighborhood tunes an SDV channel, is it available 'in the clear'. I do remember someone reporting this to be the case, but it was not me. I do not use QAM (but might if #1 were to happen). This is interesting - but not very useful.

xnappo

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But, as I understand it, a cablecard or STB is required to initiate the [instantiation] of a particular SDV channel -- which was my point.
The CableCARD does not (and never has) initiate a request for a channel. The CableCARD is only a security device. The request process requires 2-way communication, which can only come from the device housing the CableCARD.

This is a all too frequent misunderstanding. All CableCARDs have always been compatible with the 2-way process. It's just been that there were (till now) any two way consumer owned devices. The only devices capable of 2-way have been cable boxes till now.

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Hey C-F you kinda lost me on your points above. Cable card or STB are not required for clear QAM. That's kinda the whole point of QAM. That it is basically makes your TV cable ready but for digital channels. Many people like the technology because it saves them as much as $20 per month of renting the Cable company equipment and service charges for them. Especially since that equipment is proprietary and has been since its birth.
But, as I understand it, a cablecard or STB is required to initiate the [instantiation] of a particular SDV channel -- which was my point.

I am not an expert, nor visited Holiday Inn last night, YMMV, et. al. -- but the whole point of SDV is that if no one (that is able to talk back to the system) is watching, the channel will not be broadcast. [Someone] on your local [node] must have a two-way device asking to view the particular channel you wish to view. Once a request is made, the channel is usually assigned to a rotating pool of [QAM carriers] which the CC or STB then map to the displayed number.

If you simply have a QAM tuner, maybe you could see them (based upon memory of the earlier posts), but to guarantee the channel you want to watch is broadcast, you must have a device to request the channel (i.e. CC or STB). Otherwise, you are at the mercy of whatever the other people on your local [node] desire to watch, and you may have to re-scan to find them.

I just believe that is a lot to ask, uncertainty of channel availability, combined with the potential for numerous channel scans to find the channel you want.


v/r,
C-F

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Right. It's one advantage cable can have, since they can't keep up with satellite in total bandwidth.

rick490

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Right. It's one advantage cable can have, since they can't keep up with satellite in total bandwidth.

rick490

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If a cablecard is required to send the request, I am not sure why it would matter if a channel on SDV was on clear QAM. But if I recall correctly, someone (xnappo?) from Austin (in either the 8300 SARA or eSATA threads) reported viewing the SDV channels (similar to watching your neighbors On-Demand) which might indicate that they are not encrypted in at least one location.

I guess maybe if you had a CC STB tuned in the living room, you might find the SDV channel on a bedroom TV with QAM, but would you not have to re-scan to find the newly assigned channel every time? Or call your neighbor to tune the channel so it does not go away?

v/r,
C-F
Hey C-F you kinda lost me on your points above. Cable card or STB are not required for clear QAM. That's kinda the whole point of QAM. That it is basically makes your TV cable ready but for digital channels. Many people like the technology because it saves them as much as $20 per month of renting the Cable company equipment and service charges for them. Especially since that equipment is proprietary and has been since its birth.
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Originally Posted by John Mason
Believe you've reached the right conclusion. Putting SDV channels also on unencrypted QAM would defeat the purpose of switched digital video--leaving less frequently watched channels off the cable spectrum (boosting available bandwidth) until they're requested by one or more subscribers. As these articles point out, figuring which channels are suitable for SDV must be done carefully:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html
--John
Thank you John. I'll post the links for the articles in the LA thread. Some interesting points in there.

Rudy

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Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER
If a cablecard is required to send the request, I am not sure why it would matter if a channel on SDV was on clear QAM. But if I recall correctly, someone (xnappo?) from Austin (in either the 8300 SARA or eSATA threads) reported viewing the SDV channels (similar to watching your neighbors On-Demand) which might indicate that they are not encrypted in at least one location.

I guess maybe if you had a CC STB tuned in the living room, you might find the SDV channel on a bedroom TV with QAM, but would you not have to re-scan to find the newly assigned channel every time? Or call your neighbor to tune the channel so it does not go away?

v/r,
C-F
Hey C-F you kinda lost me on your points above. Cable card or STB are not required for clear QAM. That's kinda the whole point of QAM. That it is basically makes your TV cable ready but for digital channels. Many people like the technology because it saves them as much as $20 per month of renting the Cable company equipment and service charges for them. Especially since that equipment is proprietary and has been since its birth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mason
Believe you've reached the right conclusion. Putting SDV channels also on unencrypted QAM would defeat the purpose of switched digital video--leaving less frequently watched channels off the cable spectrum (boosting available bandwidth) until they're requested by one or more subscribers. As these articles point out, figuring which channels are suitable for SDV must be done carefully:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html
--John
Thank you John. I'll post the links for the articles in the LA thread. Some interesting points in there.

Rudy

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Still no TBS-HD for TWC-Syracuse. Is TWC contacting all of you when they add it, or did you all just go searching for it? Is the channel added close to your other HD channels? In my guide, I have a number of HD channels and then a LARGE number of channels with nothing on them. I'm assuming they are placeholders for future HD channels because way down the list they show the Science channel - HD, but the show is not yet being broadcast in HD. I also have a separate SD Science channel.
We almost had 2 home teams in the playoffs, but only one made it. The channel went live AND a press release was issued on the same day, 10/1/07. Those bastards COULD have told us a week earlier when they were telling a ton of cities who did NOT have a home team in the playoffs they would get TBS HD, but they obviously decided to really stick it to us.

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Old news.
The statement I said that in response to certainly implied that one got "uncompressed video" from a DVD. You may not have actually meant that, but I'm also quite sure that some would automatically assume DVD video was uncompressed.

Quote:
Turn on current news you'll find out you're getting FIOS.
Yes I caught that item in another thread... you can't imagine how utterly happy I am about that. Not that it isn't the be-all, end-all, but I feel that TWC has 100% very much taken unfair advantage of me and my neighbors for way too long KNOWING they had a total monopoly. One small neighborhood in my city gets 6 more HD channels AND can pay 10% less overall, all because FIOS TV service is closer for them than for me. Clearly this is something the franchising body SHOULD have prevented (a form of discrimination based on address). The city did NOT step up and take their responsibilities seriously, clearly because TWC has some form of lock on them. Which is further evidenced by the secret negotiations with the mayor's office, seemingly bypassing the body that was SUPPOSED to be watching out for the citizens.

Of course, my best guess is that I'm at least 2 years away from being able to purchase FIOS (phone, IP, and TV). So I expect by that time to have many more examples of TWC taking advantage of that very fact.

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TBS HD in Milwaukee, WI aparantly started 10/2

http://blogs.jsonline.com/cuprisin/a...ner-cable.aspx

I missed it, will check when I get home.

Pat

Edit:
The game is on right now, looks beautiful. Now if only we get food and HGTV, I'll be happy.

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TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417

Good to hear, as I'm in the So. Bay (Torrance). I'll check it out when I get home today.

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You know, I am always writing that I do not see on my TWC Augusta ME system the picture faults that others report. I must now say that I have seen some. NBC's Sunday night football the other day showed some issues caused by on screen motion. The same is true of TBS's baseball last night. It's not bad, but it grained - up or blurred a little on movement. I have never seen that watching Red Sox baseball on NESN.

Basically, however, my picture is consistently excellent which leads me to believe that most problems do not occur early in the process of bringing the picture to our sets. It happens later.

Stan54

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Discovery Channel HD is different than Discovery HD Theater. I think Dirty Jobs and Mythbusters are just on The Discovery Channel. I am in Huntington Beach, and as of yesterday I did not have Discovery Channel HD, just Discovery HD Theater.

Still on top of my Wish List - Versus/The Golf Channel HD
Discovery HD Theater was recently renamed to just HD Theater recently to try and avoid the confusion substance had. It obviously hasn't helped(they should have done it a month or two before Discovery HD launched)

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Discovery HD Theater was recently renamed to just HD Theater recently to try and avoid the confusion substance had. It obviously hasn't helped(they should have done it a month or two before Discovery HD launched)
Well then TWC never got the memo. Channel 416 still shows up as DISCHD, and up in the left corner as Discovery HD.

carljanderson

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I believe that the 2 discovery shows: dirty jobs and mythbusters are now in HD... yet in TWC: southbay (torrance)... discoveryHD doesn't have those shows. anyone know why?

oh we don't have TBS-HD yet either. Nor USA or scifi HD (first post says those channels are supposedly available now)
Discovery Channel HD is different than Discovery HD Theater. I think Dirty Jobs and Mythbusters are just on The Discovery Channel. I am in Huntington Beach, and as of yesterday I did not have Discovery Channel HD, just Discovery HD Theater.

Still on top of my Wish List - Versus/The Golf Channel HD

carljanderson

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TBS-HD also on in San Diego, CA on channel 712.

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I believe that the 2 discovery shows: dirty jobs and mythbusters are now in HD... yet in TWC: southbay (torrance)... discoveryHD doesn't have those shows. anyone know why?

oh we don't have TBS-HD yet either. Nor USA or scifi HD (first post says those channels are supposedly available now)

substance12

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yep The Angels/Sox game looks outstanding.Much more crisp than D* Ch.95.No surprise there,TWC has always looked much better than D* here on "most" channels.
Yes but does it look better than on D* channel 247? Channel 95 is an mpeg2 HDlite feed, while 247 is using the new mpeg4 1080i feed (by almost all accounts the new mpeg4 channels look MUCH better than the mpeg2 hdlite's), I'll post again once i get home from work to watch the cubbies, but congrats TW's on getting TBS-HD most places in time for the playoffs

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Still no TBS-HD for TWC-Syracuse. Is TWC contacting all of you when they add it, or did you all just go searching for it? Is the channel added close to your other HD channels? In my guide, I have a number of HD channels and then a LARGE number of channels with nothing on them. I'm assuming they are placeholders for future HD channels because way down the list they show the Science channel - HD, but the show is not yet being broadcast in HD. I also have a separate SD Science channel.
No announcement here, it just showed up. In fact, I spoke to a CSR two days ago (asking about TWC's new 15Mb high speed internet, which it turns out is not available in my area yet). I asked if there were any new HD channels coming (specifically TBS and CNN) and she said no new HD channels are expected in the short term.

It is located next to the TNT-HD channel, grouped with all the other HDs.

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Still no TBS-HD for TWC-Syracuse. Is TWC contacting all of you when they add it, or did you all just go searching for it? Is the channel added close to your other HD channels? In my guide, I have a number of HD channels and then a LARGE number of channels with nothing on them. I'm assuming they are placeholders for future HD channels because way down the list they show the Science channel - HD, but the show is not yet being broadcast in HD. I also have a separate SD Science channel.

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TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417
yep The Angels/Sox game looks outstanding.Much more crisp than D* Ch.95.No surprise there,TWC has always looked much better than D* here on "most" channels.

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I have always wondered why the messaging feature exists. I've never seen it actually being used here.
Most messages in the past have been to announce PPV boxing or wrestling events, so I pretty much considered it useless info before. The first useful message I got was when a local station, KCAL 9, added HD. Then last month, the free weekend preview for Showtime and Movie Channel was announced only through this message system. The previous HBO/Cinemax free preview was announced only on my monthly bill statement.

I think the message system is pretty cool and should be used more often, but I guess it depends on each local area determining whether it's a useful tool to send info.

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I live in NW Ohio and hearing that Directv now has all these new HD channels, I'm starting to feel real itchy to switch to satellite but I would rather keep Timewarner if I could just because I don't want to switch. So who do I have to call in Timewarner to get them to match Directv's HD offerings? Who do I email/petition?
Just call your local Time Warner Cable telephone number and tell the Customer Service Representative that you want the same one hundred high definition channels that DirectTV is getting and you want them now. Let us know how that works out for you.

Gary J

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Good to hear, as I'm in neighboring Costa Mesa. I'll check it out when I get home today. I did see the red dot lit up on my STB this morning, and TWC has been sending messages more often to indicate things going on, like the Showtime and Movie Channel free preview this past weekend. I was wondering if that message is indicating the addition of TBS-HD when I left home this morning.
I have always wondered why the messaging feature exists. I've never seen it actually being used here.

VisionOn

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TBS-HD also on in Dayton, OH on channel 752.

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TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417
Good to hear, as I'm in neighboring Costa Mesa. I'll check it out when I get home today. I did see the red dot lit up on my STB this morning, and TWC has been sending messages more often to indicate things going on, like the Showtime and Movie Channel free preview this past weekend. I was wondering if that message is indicating the addition of TBS-HD when I left home this morning.

I hope this means I can watch the TBS Office reruns in HD now.

limacharliewhisk

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TBS-HD is live on Oceanic Time Warner in Hawaii!

DeathRay

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TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417

carljanderson

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I live in NW Ohio and hearing that Directv now has all these new HD channels, I'm starting to feel real itchy to switch to satellite but I would rather keep Timewarner if I could just because I don't want to switch. So who do I have to call in Timewarner to get them to match Directv's HD offerings? Who do I email/petition?

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I live in NW Ohio and hearing that Directv now has all these new HD channels, I'm starting to feel real itchy to switch to satellite but I would rather keep Timewarner if I could just because I don't want to switch. So who do I have to call in Timewarner to get them to match Directv's HD offerings? Who do I email/petition?
It doesn't work that way.

archiguy

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Good for NY! For Columbus, OH, though, we have to settle for TW. Oh, and, btw, I just checked and TBS-HD is now live.

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FiOSTV Coming to NYC
15-year franchise agreement negotiated in secret...
01:00PM Wednesday Oct 03 2007 by Karl

Verizon has been conducting conversations with NYC leaders in secret, and are poised to strike a 15-year franchise agreement that could bring FiOSTV to the city, notes the NY Daily News. The paper complains that the secret negotiations leaves locals (and the city council) completely unsure if the deal includes any consumer protections:
Mayor Bloomberg's aides have conducted all the Verizon talks in virtual secrecy. They refuse to share their strategy with the City Council, which authorized the franchise talks in a resolution last year. "People keep calling me and asking, 'When are we getting a Verizon deal?' I tell them, I have no idea," said City Councilman Tony Avella (D-Queens), who heads the city's Franchise and Concessions Committee. Avella says he has tried for 18 months to schedule a City Council public hearing on the cable contracts, but Speaker Christine Quinn, who has built a close relationship with City Hall, has blocked his efforts.
The bit also mentions that NY State is looking into a statewide video franchise, but are including some consumer protections (including network neutrality) that Verizon isn't particularly fond of.
thank god.
lets get this competition going!!!

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FiOSTV Coming to NYC
15-year franchise agreement negotiated in secret...
01:00PM Wednesday Oct 03 2007 by Karl

Verizon has been conducting conversations with NYC leaders in secret, and are poised to strike a 15-year franchise agreement that could bring FiOSTV to the city, notes the NY Daily News. The paper complains that the secret negotiations leaves locals (and the city council) completely unsure if the deal includes any consumer protections:
Mayor Bloomberg's aides have conducted all the Verizon talks in virtual secrecy. They refuse to share their strategy with the City Council, which authorized the franchise talks in a resolution last year. "People keep calling me and asking, 'When are we getting a Verizon deal?' I tell them, I have no idea," said City Councilman Tony Avella (D-Queens), who heads the city's Franchise and Concessions Committee. Avella says he has tried for 18 months to schedule a City Council public hearing on the cable contracts, but Speaker Christine Quinn, who has built a close relationship with City Hall, has blocked his efforts.
The bit also mentions that NY State is looking into a statewide video franchise, but are including some consumer protections (including network neutrality) that Verizon isn't particularly fond of.

Gary J

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Time Warner Mid Ohio just announced TBS-HD to be added here as well:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MidOh...ighlight2.html

nicholc2

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First, DVD content very much IS compressed.
Old news.

Turn on current news you'll find out you're getting FIOS.

Gary J

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