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Question Greensboro, NC - HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Updated: 2008-05-23 09:31:41 (5901)
Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Here's the status from the 44th TV Market

WFMY-DT 51 - limited on-air (appears to be Prime Time only)
WGHP-DT 35 - unable to recieve
WXII-DT 31 - unable to receive
WGPX-DT 14 - filed extension to build
WTWB-TV 19 - filed extension to build
WUNL-DT 32 - multicasting, reception OK
WXLV-DT 29 - reception great
WUPN-DT 33 - reception great, some problems at station
WLXI-DT 43 - filed extension to build

My location - just east of Guildford College Campus
My Receiver - RCA DTC100
My Antenna - Radio Shack VU-120XR (largest sold)
Rotor - Full 360
Antenna Height - 25 Feet
My Downlead - 100ft RG-6

Analog Reception - 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 20, 26, 36, 45, 48, 61 (granted some reception is marginal)

Answers: Greensboro, NC - HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxeng
Anyone who has HD LIL on D*, what does it look like? I don't have mine installed so I haven't seen it yet.
It appears that D*TV might be having some issues with HD. When I look at the program list, programs in HD have the HD beside them, but that appears to maybe be on the regular stations guide. Then while watching the HD channel the picture is being published in 16x9 fashion but is most definatley not in HD. However on the regular stations the image is broadcast with the bars on the side and the picture is Amazing, but yet not 16x9.

I would call but who wants to talk to a phone rep that only reads from the computer monitor and has no idea what they are talking about.

Anyone else seeing this?

Will check some more today during the day though

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Can you be a little more specific like which stations and programs you saw this on?

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Does anyone know if they have fixed the issue with the OTA antenna input on this yet?

Last I heard, you couldn't input the OTA antenna for HD broadcasts, right?

Thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MilChad
I've read on dbstalk.com that people in the Triad are very pleased with the HD LiL PQ. I'm glad we are getting all the major locals. I figured ABC would try and be the spoiler like they are on cable. After my wife talked to the D* CSR, I'm getting the HR-20 installed for $69.00. She can negotiate like nobody I've ever seen.

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

No PBS in HD through DirecTV?

atoner

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JKimrey
Does anyone know if they have fixed the issue with the OTA antenna input on this yet?

Last I heard, you couldn't input the OTA antenna for HD broadcasts, right?

Thanks!
You can get OTA with the H20 but not the HR20 (HD-DVR) Some say that the OTA feature on the HR20 wll be activated Dec. 1st. We'll see.

MilChad

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by atoner
No PBS in HD through DirecTV?
Nobody that I know of is getting PBS via D* LiL. You'll still need your OTA antenna if you want to watch PBS in HD.

MilChad

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by MilChad
I figured ABC would try and be the spoiler like they are on cable.
Sinclair and D* came to an agreement for carriage of all of Sinclair's local channels across the country a long time ago. Back at the beginning of the year during the time leading up to the Super Bowl, TWC and Sinclair's dispute over carriage of ABC-45 HD was a hot topic in these parts. Sinclair was boasting then how they already had a deal in place with D*.

uncrules

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by MilChad
So did anybody in the Triad score any sweet electronics deals on Black Friday?
Picked up the 42 inch Panasonic Plasma TH-42PX60U for less than a grand at BB way early Friday morning. Was expecting to get HD channels through standard Time Warner cable since it has the QAM tuner built in, but got nothing . Actually, I did pick up 1 digital channel (not HD).

The OTA tuner does work very well, however, and I can pick up all locals (Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC) with a Terk HDTVi antenna.

yw8465

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by MilChad
I've read on dbstalk that people in the Triad are very pleased with the HD LiL PQ. I'm glad we are getting all the major locals. I figured ABC would try and be the spoiler like they are on cable. After my wife talked to the D* CSR, I'm getting the HR-20 installed for $69.00. She can negotiate like nobody I've ever seen.
I watched some of the football games last night for the first time on D* HD LIL. The ND vs. USC game looked really good, especially compared to how poor ABC's analog football broadcasts typically look. The only bad looking shots was the one from the Goodyear blimp...wonder if they haven't upgraded to a HD camera for the blimp?

MilChad, curious what your wife said to get the cheap upgrade to the HR-20. Any hints?? Would love to consolidate my Series 2 Tivo & HD D* receiver into one box and be able to record in HD on top of it. My wife & kids wouldn't complain about the simpler setup either!

sws-gso

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I just recently got a HDTV. Right now I have an indoor antenna and seem to get all the locals ok. None are full strength and 2 and 45 seem to go out totally some times, or when cars drive by.

I live downtown Winston (4th street). I was wondering if anyone has experience on the best method of picking up OTA HD from all the stations, and maybe even Charlotte too if it's possible.

nborton

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I have heard this antenna is about the best for indoor reception you can get, though
I do not have any first hand experience. Check out Electronic Dist., right down the
street from you at 920 Brookstown Ave. They carry Winegard and Antennas Direct last
time I checked.

C Snyder

bigsnyder

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

AHHH! I missed it.

Thanks for the input UNC.

EdgyPixel

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by atoner
I'm trying to re-establish TWC cable internet after moving back to the area. The web site shows a minimum 2 week wait for installation, and the wait for help on the phone is ridiculous. Does anyone know if there is a quicker way to get installation, e.g. flag down a service van, stop by the local office, etc.? They just need to give me the damn modem and possibly re-connect the cable at the road, if they even disconnected it 6 months ago. Thanks.
You should go to the local office and sign up, especially if you've had service before. The TWC office on Regional road is hardly ever busy. They should give you a modem and send you on your way. They'll have to schedule someone to come out and turn it on at the street but that takes two seconds, and they'll do that ASAP because then they can start billing you.

GSOcanesfan

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

It looks like they're adding HD Showcase On Demand today (ch. 612) which finally means Mad Men in HD. Didn't see it this morning when I checked, anyone else notice if it came up yet?

From the website:

Effective November 27, 2007, the following On Demand channels will be added:
? Election 08 On Demand on channel 1103
? HD Showcase On Demand on channel 612
? Movies On Demand Drama on channel 609

xiandeath

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by xiandeath
It looks like they're adding HD Showcase On Demand today (ch. 612) which finally means Mad Men in HD. Didn't see it this morning when I checked, anyone else notice if it came up yet?

From the website:

Effective November 27, 2007, the following On Demand channels will be added:
? Election 08 On Demand on channel 1103
? HD Showcase On Demand on channel 612
? Movies On Demand Drama on channel 609
612 is up and running here. Lots of short, free HD clips.

Joe L.

J. L.

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Never heard of HD Showcase On Demand. I have a box downstairs, but gotta wait for the TiVo dongle next year to watch on my big screen in the theater.

jacksonian

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Hey guys. I've got some questions about setting up an OTA antenna to pick up some HD channels. I have a 37" Polaroid LCD television with NTSC/ATSC tuners (I'm not real sure what that means). I have Direct TV's HD package, but would like to pick up some additional channels OTA. My zip code is 28670 and I am about 34 miles from the TV towers in Winston-Salem. I am looking for an effective INDOOR antenna. What kind of hardware are we talking about here? Suggestions?

docwatsonrules

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by docwatsonrules
Hey guys. I've got some questions about setting up an OTA antenna to pick up some HD channels. I have a 37" Polaroid LCD television with NTSC/ATSC tuners (I'm not real sure what that means). I have Direct TV's HD package, but would like to pick up some additional channels OTA. My zip code is 28670 and I am about 34 miles from the TV towers in Winston-Salem. I am looking for an effective INDOOR antenna. What kind of hardware are we talking about here? Suggestions?
First, welcome to the forum and to HD TV!

NTSC refers to analog and ATSC refers to OTA digital. QAM refers to digital cable.

Your Zip Code looks to be Ronda in Wilkes County. With an indoor antenna, you won't get much from there. You will more than likely get NBC (WXII) and PBS (UNC) from Sauratown Mt and not much else. Everyone else are on towers in a north south line from Greensboro to Asheboro. From Ronda you will need an outside antenna I am afraid.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by GSOcanesfan
You should go to the local office and sign up, especially if you've had service before. The TWC office on Regional road is hardly ever busy. They should give you a modem and send you on your way. They'll have to schedule someone to come out and turn it on at the street but that takes two seconds, and they'll do that ASAP because then they can start billing you.
Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like their web site just starts at +2 weeks for lead time. When I finally got through on the phone, I was able to get an appointment the next day.

Regarding the "two seconds" comment, this was my assumption too - they would only have to screw in a cable and give me the modem. However, the installers (yes, there were two installers for a cable modem reconnect) felt the need to trace back to my distribution box, cut off the connector and crimp on a new one, discuss needing some slack in the cable to get more on the other end (presumably for a new connector there, forgetting the cable is burried for at least 100'), and fool around up at the street for a good 5 minutes. All of this, and someone forgot to enable to turbo charge 8 Mbps / 512 kbps requiring another call.

atoner

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by xmitterengineer
Originally Posted by wiloliwad

My general advice is to try the outdoor antenna without a preamp first.
I have dealt with many situations where a preamp resulted in overloading the receiver's front end with poorer reception being the result.

Just last week a WFMY viewer who called with OTA reception issues was surprised to find that he recieved more stations with reliability after removing his preamp. This type of problem is more common than most folks realize IMHO.


Rickey
I'm in Kernersville, about 25 miles from each of the local antenna clusters, and have NBC/PBS and FOX/ABC/CBS 180 degrees apart from each other. I want to put an antenna outside or possibly in the attic out of the way. I'm considering a multidirectional antenna with a pre-amp mounted on my dish mast. The dish is about 5 feet off the ground on the side of my house, so there would be a reasonable view of NBC/PBS but the house would block FOX/ABC/CBS.

I'm currently using a "silver sensor" style inside, directly connected to my Dish ViP 622 receiver. Despite the directional design and being pointed at NBC/PBS, it receives FOX/ABC/CBS just fine. When I go outside I would have a couple dB more cable loss (maybe 30 feet), may loose some strength with the multidirectional design, but should gain strength with the reduced path loss.

Any suggestion on this setup, antenna style, attic vs mast, preamp at this distance, chance of getting Charlotte/Roanoke/Raleigh, etc.?

Can anyone suggest a local shop selling antennas and offering advice? My Dish installer was very unthusiastic about anything to do with OTA. The Dish web site suggests the following as a local retailler:
ADVANCED ELECTRONICS INC
806 HWY 66
KERNERSVILLE, NC 27284
(336) 667-2090

Thanks,
Adam

atoner

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Check out Dow Electronics on Phoenix Rd off of Bus 85/Holden in Greensboro.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I was going to say the same thing. Just remember Dow is only M-F open until 5. Wouldn't want you to drive out there to find that out.

gregchak

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I rewired the cable coming form the main splitter to the cable box. The box is an Explorer 3250HD and now certain channels do not show at all or are very choppy. The splitter is one from TW that they used when they installed the cable modem and it worked before so I know its not the splitter. Why would some channels work while others dont even though everything is digital? I realize I must have done something since the only thing that changed is the wire and will troubleshoot but first I would like to know why its doing it in the first place.

earl grey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Did you use the old style F connectors or the new compression F connectors?

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

They were just some screw on connectors made of brass I think. Is there a difference? I used these same connectors for the cable modem and it works great.

earl grey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Update

I got into the service menu and the tuner frequencies power are around like -14dB/mV. From this information can I find out anything? Im using RG-6 cable and the supplied splitter they used for the cable modem.

earl grey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by earl grey
They were just some screw on connectors made of brass I think. Is there a difference? I used these same connectors for the cable modem and it works great.
Absolutely. You ALWAYS want to use a crimp and not a screw. Too much loss. They have compression connectors now that give the best performance and they are not too much more than the old crimp on. Both sat and cable now installs the compression. I bought a bag of 100 compression for about $20. The tool was about $50 but the performance difference is worth it. Also be sure you use RG-6 and not RG-59. With digital cable or OTA, you need the best you can afford. It does make a difference in performance.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Has anyone been having intermittent reception problems with TWC? My Digital box will just cut to black, my other TVs will show complete static, for any length of time between about 2-15 minutes. They're completely random, but this didn't happen until a day or two ago.

Haven't tried calling TWC Support yet, just wondering if anyone else was seeing this.

itsah2

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

@atoner

If downtown W-S is more convenient, then check out Electronic Distributing on Brookstown Ave. They are also only open M-F 8-5.

bigsnyder

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Hi everybody, how's things?

I have TWC's HD service and generally get v. good quality pictures. I was disappointed during yesterday's ACC championship game VT vs BC, seems like the picture came and went. (meaning good quality to pixeled and back). I'm pretty certain it wasn't a TWC issue, or my TV issue. In fact it seemed like it could have been a specific camera. Anybody else see this? opinions?

ColfaxMac

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Yeah I saw that too during the ACC championship. One of the sideline cameras appeared to have pixellation issues.

pwrmetal

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsnyder
@atoner

If downtown W-S is more convenient, then check out Electronic Distributing on Brookstown Ave. They are also only open M-F 8-5.
Thanks. I couldn't find the store on HWY 66. I ended up buying this antenna at Lowe's, and it actually works pretty well:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/u/u...40_pss_aen.pdf

I'm getting mid-70's for signal strength as reported by the Dish ViP622 receiver for the major locals.

I also picked up the larger omni-directional antenna from Radio Shack, which I intend to try also.

Very infrequently, the recever will report "off air signal lost" for about 1-2 seconds. I can't pinpoint if the signal strength is going to 0 during this time, but I don't think it is a reception problem. I had the same problem in San Diego with similar signal strength.

atoner

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Has anyone had any experience with the local Mastec Direct TV installers? They are scheduled to come to my house Saturday to install a slimline and an upgrade to an HR-20 Hi-Def reciever. I have read of some horrror stories from other forums about Mastec installers in other sections of the country. Just wondering if anyone had used them locally and if they were reliable about showing up on time and doing good work. Previously, I installed all the wiring and dishes for my satellite setup myself, but since this is a freebie, and the slimline is more complicated to hit all the sats, I am going to trust them to do it.

cbutcher

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

My install was done by someone else, though I can't remember the name. Mastec would have stood out since I too have heard the bad stories about them. Just double-check everything before they leave. You have to sign off on their work. Don't let them quickly click through the setup screens. Get them to verify signal strengths, etc.

I had mine done in January and although I told the guy that installing the dish where he did would give me problems when the trees had leaves he insured that there wouldn't be a problem. I had to move my dish in May.

gregchak

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I have a clear line of sight- my dish is currently installed on a pole in my yard and I know that the new slimline takes a bigger diameter pole to mount. Guess I'm going to have to call them to determine how they will handle that-new larger pole, or a slieve over the existing pole.

cbutcher

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Hi,
I have Directv, and I'm having problems receiving some HD stations. I'm wondering if the high winds today moved my dish. Reception is fine on the SD receiver. Is anyone else having reception problems?

mocha2

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Nevermind. It finally occurred to me to try a reset of the HR20-700, and all is well now.
Thanks.

mocha2

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

The SlimeLine dish uses a 2 in EXACTLY OD pipe. There is no fudge factor on that. 2 3/8 in pole is too large and the 1 7/8 in used on older dishes are too small. They will sink a new pole for the SlimeLine.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Once again, CBS in the Triad won't let me watch the Victoria Secret fashon show. Now's the time I really like OTA antennas that receive signals from other markets!

MilChad

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I'm much more pissed at CBS for running Rudolph beyond 9pm and my DVR missing the final scene. (I like it when the misfit toys get delivered to children. I am not sure how the children who are stuck with the defective toys feel about it.)

Thank goodness WFMY can protect me from pr0n!

pwrmetal

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Question for Jason at Sinclair (or anybody else that might know)

The Raleigh MYTV affiliate has stopped passing HD network programming. Anybody know why??? It's been that way for quite a while now. Just curious.

posg

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

try just hitting numbers in the system until you get somewhere. 0, 9, and 5 are usually good places to start.

roland6465

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I *hate* WXLV.

pwrmetal

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

for those of you with access to abc in durham and charlotte: can u verify that those affiliates are broadcasting ucla at sc in HD? thanks (just wanted to be absolutely certain before speaking with wxlv's station manager on monday morning-i hope u will join me lest this is repeated for the Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, and Rose Bowls! do not let their oafish approach to broadcasting go unnoticed!)

4theheelz

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I don't when it was done, but somebody at WXLV finally woke up and switched on the HD feed.

uncrules

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4theheelz
for those of you with access to abc in durham and charlotte: can u verify that those affiliates are broadcasting ucla at sc in HD? thanks (just wanted to be absolutely certain before speaking with wxlv's station manager on monday morning-i hope u will join me lest this is repeated for the Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, and Rose Bowls! do not let their oafish approach to broadcasting go unnoticed!)
How about posting some contact info for whoever you speak to, and I'll be glad to give them a call as well.

sbarrier

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

So if I'm reading the map correctly, channels 2 and 8 towers are actually in northern randolph county (as opposed to guilford)? If so, they're closer to my house than I thought...

According to antennaweb.org, I'm 15 miles from the towers. Will getting a 4228 antenna and a 777 pre-amp be okay for the 2 (cbs) and 8 (fox) receptions?

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxeng
The potential problem you run into with two antennas is that the antenna that is pointed away from the station you wish to watch may have enough signal to interfere with the other antenna, causing multipath and therefore cancelling out the signal from the other antenna and you receive nothing.

You would actually do better with putting in two complete antenna installations with one antenna pointed to Sauratown Mt and the other down south and putting a switch in to switch between the two. Now if you live westerly of the towers down US 220, You will need three antennas to pick up all of the stations (one toward Randleman and one toward Level Cross as well as Sauratown Mt). See, this can get complicated if you are not careful.


Map courtesy of Triad HDTV Users Group

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JKimrey
So if I'm reading the map correctly, channels 2 and 8 towers are actually in northern randolph county (as opposed to guilford)?
Channel 2, 20, 45, 48 are at Level Cross and Channel 8 is at Randleman.

Quote:
According to antennaweb.org, I'm 15 miles from the towers. Will getting a 4228 antenna and a 777 pre-amp be okay for the 2 (cbs) and 8 (fox) receptions?
The 7777 pre-amp would not be needed for 2 and 8.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I have DirecTV with a HD Tivo and I am currently using rabbit ears with (mostly) good results. But I would like to avoid the occasional dropout I get now--So I am looking at a CM 4221 and using a Winegard DS-1000 or DS-1111 to mount onto my existing dish. Does anyone have any first hand impressions of these mounts. Especially--how difficult is it to realign the dish after attaching the DS-1111?

Bill

uncrph90

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by uncrph90
I have DirecTV with a HD Tivo and I am currently using rabbit ears with (mostly) good results. But I would like to avoid the occasional dropout I get now--So I am looking at a CM 4221 and using a Winegard DS-1000 or DS-1111 to mount onto my existing dish. Does anyone have any first hand impressions of these mounts. Especially--how difficult is it to realign the dish after attaching the DS-1111?

Bill
Everyone that I have talked to who has tried any dish mounted antenna has not had good results. They have ranged anywhere fromnot working to only able to pick up a few stations. Most people recommend a good outside antenna not mounted on a dish.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Thanks Foxeng,

But just to be clear--I am looking at a good outside antenna (I think!--Channel Master 4221) I just was interested in the Winegard mounts that can use my existing satellite mount to minimize more holes in my shingles--seems easier than just mounting another mast several feet away. I do realize that the "clip-on" antennas are junk. Does your advice still hold?

Bill

uncrph90

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JKimrey
I guess having two antennas into an amp would prevent the need for a rotator.

Any unforseen benefits of one over the other?

thanks
I've found that these U75R UHF only anntennas are very directional (I helped a buddy with the exact same setup). If you are close to any tower I could see how this could cause multi path issues. In Mebane I don't seem to have multi path issues. I very seldom get breakup on any station (except WB22 Raleigh, people in Raleigh have a hard time with WB22)
I've got an HD Tivo so a rotor is a no go for me.

Greg T

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by uncrph90
Thanks Foxeng,

But just to be clear--I am looking at a good outside antenna (I think!--Channel Master 4221) I just was interested in the Winegard mounts that can use my existing satellite mount to minimize more holes in my shingles--seems easier than just mounting another mast several feet away. I do realize that the "clip-on" antennas are junk. Does your advice still hold?

Bill
I have never tried that mount, but any outside antenna that is not a dish clip on will do noticablely better than rabbit ears.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I am fully aware of the "rotator" but do can not use one effectivley with pre-set recordings.

any rule of thumb to how far apart to mount the antennas if you go with a "two antenna" solution?

also what was the piece of equipment used to combine the signals from both antennas to feed to the tuner? Also a link would be great.

should you try out your OTA without an amp first and only add if needed or do u have to install from the get go?

Thanks in advance.

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by itms1022
I am fully aware of the "rotator" but do can not use one effectivley with pre-set recordings.

any rule of thumb to how far apart to mount the antennas if you go with a "two antenna" solution?
There is no hard and fast and rule. It is trial and error since the signal levels from all stations are different at each location.

Quote:
also what was the piece of equipment used to combine the signals from both antennas to feed to the tuner? Also a link would be great.
Just a regular 2 way splitter will work.

Quote:
should you try out your OTA without an amp first and only add if needed or do u have to install from the get go?

Thanks in advance.
You should bring both antenna leads into the building before you combine them and if you filnd you need a pre-amp, you will know which antenna you need it on to reduce multipath as much as possible. If you don't need a pre-amp on an antenna, then don't put one on.

The way you really need to do this is put bandpass filters for the channels you want on the antennas in their direction to cut out the unwanted signals, but those filters can be expensive (>$75 per channel). This is how cable companies and MATV systems do it. But for a home install, it could run you well over $1500 just for the filters not counting the 12 port combiner, and MATV pre-amp that would be required, another $500 to $1000 plus antennas, feedline and installation.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Great. Thanks!

If I install the 4228 antenna w/o the pre-amp, and cannot receive signals on other stations I would like to, could I then add the 777 pre-amp? Would this cause any issues with 2 and 8 (too close)?

Also, can anyone recommend a good rotator I can purchase to use with the 4228?

Thanks again!

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxeng
Channel 2, 20, 45, 48 are at Level Cross and Channel 8 is at Randleman.



The 7777 pre-amp would not be needed for 2 and 8.

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I need to get a 25' HDMI cable, any suggestions?

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

"How about posting some contact info for whoever you speak to, and I'll be glad to give them a call as well."

station manager:rinman@sbgnet.com
corporate headquarters:comments@sbgi.net

4theheelz

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Check out www.monoprice.com. I ordered a smaller HDMI cable; great price and quick shipping (received it in a couple days).

Quote:
Originally Posted by itms1022
I need to get a 25' HDMI cable, any suggestions?

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Will you guys look at this particular cable and tell me what you think:

http://store.homeavcables.com/33010-25.html

It is manufacturered by QVS, their site is www.qvs.com

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JKimrey
Check out www.monoprice.com. I ordered a smaller HDMI cable; great price and quick shipping (received it in a couple days).

I went to their site, they have an awesome price for the 25' cable. Hardly any specs though, apparently the 25' cable got 2 really good reviews.

I will probably order from here.

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JKimrey
Great. Thanks!

If I install the 4228 antenna w/o the pre-amp, and cannot receive signals on other stations I would like to, could I then add the 777 pre-amp? Would this cause any issues with 2 and 8 (too close)?
You will not know until you try.

Quote:
Also, can anyone recommend a good rotator I can purchase to use with the 4228?

Thanks again!
Channel Master makes a nice remote control rotator for about $60 bucks. I have seen them at Lowes on Battleground and Dow sells them too for about the same price.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Thanks 4thheels. I just emailed the station mgr @ WXLV. Hopefully they'll be quicker to flip the switch in the future!

sbarrier

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Anyone else having problems with TWC 540 NBC tonite?

jabajet

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jabajet
Anyone else having problems with TWC 540 NBC tonite?
Just like last week, NBC NY was having trouble with their HD signal. Las Vegas wasn't in HD for cable or OTA tonight. Hopefully they'll get this issue fixed soon.

MR12

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

It looks the QAM channels are different tonight. CBS is now 116-1, instead of 80-1. Not sure where NBC is tonight. Not sure what is going on.

DaveWolf

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Thanks.

So has anyone had any experiences with running RG6 coax under ground for 60-70 feet?

Will lightning be a problem with this? Any other potential problems? Bad idea?

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Originally Posted by foxeng
You will not know until you try.



Channel Master makes a nice remote control rotator for about $60 bucks. I have seen them at Lowes on Battleground and Dow sells them too for about the same price.

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Here is the response that I received from the mgr of WXLV.

"Shon,

Thanks for your note. Indeed you are correct, our master control operator forgot to switch to HD when the games started. ABC was broadcasting in analog before the games and we manually flip the switch
(literally) to HD. She just forgot the games are in HD and it didn't get switched until the next shift started.

I apologize for the inconvenience, corrective measures have been taking with this employee.

Ron Inman"

About as good as we can expect I guess.

sbarrier

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by sbarrier
Here is the response that I received from the mgr of WXLV.

"Shon,

Thanks for your note. Indeed you are correct, our master control operator forgot to switch to HD when the games started. ABC was broadcasting in analog before the games and we manually flip the switch
(literally) to HD. She just forgot the games are in HD and it didn't get switched until the next shift started.

I apologize for the inconvenience, corrective measures have been taking with this employee.

Ron Inman"

About as good as we can expect I guess.
Women just don't understand the importance of sports let alone sports in Hi-Def....LOL

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

"Women just don't understand the importance of sports let alone sports in Hi-Def....LOL "

Who is the woman in my post?

sbarrier

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

"She just forgot the games are in HD and it didn't get switched until the next shift started."

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Yeah, that sounds like a she to me.

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Originally Posted by itms1022
"She just forgot the games are in HD and it didn't get switched until the next shift started."

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

So how much does an automated HD switch cost anyway?


Quote:
Originally Posted by sbarrier
Here is the response that I received from the mgr of WXLV.

"Shon,

Thanks for your note. Indeed you are correct, our master control operator forgot to switch to HD when the games started. ABC was broadcasting in analog before the games and we manually flip the switch
(literally) to HD. She just forgot the games are in HD and it didn't get switched until the next shift started.

I apologize for the inconvenience, corrective measures have been taking with this employee.

Ron Inman"

About as good as we can expect I guess.

catdaddy

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by catdaddy
So how much does an automated HD switch cost anyway?
It has nothing to do with an automatic switch. I do not think ABC broadcasts all of its programming SD and HD on the HD link so the station has to keep switching and someone has to keep up with that HD schedule and then pass it along to the master control operator.

FOX sends all of their programming, SD, widescreen and HD down the HD link to the splicer so we have just hardwired the splicer into the "network" button on the analog switcher so if network is on the air, we are taking the HD link no matter what FOX is sending us.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by JKimrey
Thanks.

So has anyone had any experiences with running RG6 coax under ground for 60-70 feet?

Will lightning be a problem with this? Any other potential problems? Bad idea?
Time Warner Cable runs there RG6 underground all the time. I run it also but I make sure I use a grounding block. It is a female to female connecter that has a place to screw in a ground wire. If you are in the area of lexington, nc, stop by, I will give you a grounding block and a grounding wire, I have several in the shed.

FloCobra

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I have a Dish Network 811 receiver and was wondering if anyone else with this receiver was having issue with WFMY2's digital station. It was flickering in and out very bad this evening and it's not a signal issue because I always get 90-95% on this channel.

pti711

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Excellent. Thanks for the info.

I got the antenna (4228) today and tried it out in the attic. Basically i just leaned it against the main beams going down the middle of the house, and pointed it toward the nw.

I'm getting a reception on 2 (cbs) and 45 (abc) digitals, as well as some 4 (pbs) stations.

Unfortunately, I'm still not picking up 8 (fox) or 12 (nbc). Of course, that doesn't surprise me considering I didn't really aim the antenna yet, and it's up in the attic.

I ran the coax cable down the same hole I drilled for my cat 5e ethernet network. Will having the same cables going down the wall together cause any interference (reception loss)?

Also, would a pre-amp help with reception on the stations I'm not receiving at all?

It sure would be nice to be able to keep the antenna in the attic. No fights with the wife on location.

BTW - if these questions are off-topic, please let me know a more appropriate thread.

Thanks again!!

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Originally Posted by FloCobra
Time Warner Cable runs there RG6 underground all the time. I run it also but I make sure I use a grounding block. It is a female to female connecter that has a place to screw in a ground wire. If you are in the area of lexington, nc, stop by, I will give you a grounding block and a grounding wire, I have several in the shed.

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by JKimrey
I ran the coax cable down the same hole I drilled for my cat 5e ethernet network. Will having the same cables going down the wall together cause any interference (reception loss)?
It should be fine.

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Also, would a pre-amp help with reception on the stations I'm not receiving at all?
If you want to use the preamp to pull in stations in the direction that the antenna is not pointed in, the answer is no.
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BTW - if these questions are off-topic, please let me know a more appropriate thread.

Thanks again!!
No, this is the correct thread for those questions or any questions dealing with local digital issues.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Where are some local places to purchase the OTA antennas other than Radio Shack. Also, what online sites are you guys using to get your OTA antennas and equipment?

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by JKimrey
Check out www.monoprice.com. I ordered a smaller HDMI cable; great price and quick shipping (received it in a couple days).

Thanks! I just ordered my HDMI cable for my projector. Can't wait until next week, finally I will have HD!!!!


itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Per suggestions here, I purchased my 4228 Channel Master from Dow Electronics www.dowelectronics.com (Greensboro).

Everything else I got from Radio Shack and Lowes. (rotator, wiring, mast, etc).

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Originally Posted by itms1022
Where are some local places to purchase the OTA antennas other than Radio Shack. Also, what online sites are you guys using to get your OTA antennas and equipment?

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Let me know what you think of the cable. I ordered one from there and received it quick. Shockingly, the DirecTV receiver I got for HD came with a HDMI cable, so I haven't used the one I ordered yet.

Yeah, it's sort of like being a kid at Christmas again. Couldn't wait for the DTV guy to come out and install the HD last weekend. Now if I could just get my OTA HD set up, I'll be ready to sit down and watch something.

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Originally Posted by itms1022
Thanks! I just ordered my HDMI cable for my projector. Can't wait until next week, finally I will have HD!!!!


JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Thanks for the info. I quickly realized that I'm never going to be satisfied until I get the antenna outside and see what it can really do, so I took it down from the attic, and went to Lowes and RS to get everything I need (and spent a fortune btw!)

Just for kicks, I propped the antenna up outside to see what I could get. Best I could do was CBS, ABC, PBS (from Chapel Hill - 4), and 48. Still couldn't get the prize - channel 8, nor UPN, NBC, etc.

Hopefully when I mount it up on the roof of the storage building, that'll help.

I purchased the Channel Master rotator (thanks for the suggestion), and bought a tripod mount from RS. I'm hoping to get it mounted up there soon (weekend maybe).

Curious as to why I could get those other channels but not 8, as that's the closest to where I live, and should be in the same direction as 2...

Does height make a lot of difference with reception?

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Originally Posted by foxeng
It should be fine.



If you want to use the preamp to pull in stations in the direction that the antenna is not pointed in, the answer is no.


No, this is the correct thread for those questions or any questions dealing with local digital issues.

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by JKimrey
Thanks for the info. I quickly realized that I'm never going to be satisfied until I get the antenna outside and see what it can really do, so I took it down from the attic, and went to Lowes and RS to get everything I need (and spent a fortune btw!)

Just for kicks, I propped the antenna up outside to see what I could get. Best I could do was CBS, ABC, PBS (from Chapel Hill - 4), and 48. Still couldn't get the prize - channel 8, nor UPN, NBC, etc.

Hopefully when I mount it up on the roof of the storage building, that'll help.

I purchased the Channel Master rotator (thanks for the suggestion), and bought a tripod mount from RS. I'm hoping to get it mounted up there soon (weekend maybe).

Curious as to why I could get those other channels but not 8, as that's the closest to where I live, and should be in the same direction as 2...

Does height make a lot of difference with reception?
As noted in previous posts, you'll need a preamp if you plan to get 8. Also, it's strange that you can't get NBC as WXII has pretty good penetration in the Triad market. I get NBC with no problem from an indoor set top antenna in Greensboro. I'll bet a preamp would do the trick though. BTW, FOXENG will verify that you should have no problem picking them up after they go full power.

MR12

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Yeah, guess I might need the 777 preamp. I was hoping I wouldn't need it for 8, as I'm only about 15 miles away.

Oh well. Looks like I can pick up a preamp online for around $50. Could be worse I guess.

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Originally Posted by MR12
As noted in previous posts, you'll need a preamp if you plan to get 8. Also, it's strange that you can't get NBC as WXII has pretty good penetration in the Triad market. I get NBC with no problem from an indoor set top antenna in Greensboro. I'll bet a preamp would do the trick though. BTW, FOXENG will verify that you should have no problem picking them up after they go full power.

JKimrey

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by JKimrey
Yeah, guess I might need the 777 preamp. I was hoping I wouldn't need it for 8, as I'm only about 15 miles away.
It also depends on what you are looking through as well. When we power up in a month or so you shouldn't have a problem at all.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

FWIW, I noticed last night that TWC was testing the mystery channels in the 900's and 1000's. It appeared that they were testing digital (non-HD) versions of many of the analog channels (i.e. Weather Channel, ESPN2, WXLV, etc.) I watched the UNC-St. Louis b'ball game on the experimental ESPN2 channel, and it looked and sounded much better than the analog channel 16 that ESPN2 is on.

fairtomiddlin

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

From Experience, TW will have to do something with their analog channels. They simply can not stand next to Sattelite.

I received my Dish 942 HD DVR yesterday, but the UPS guy put it outside hidden behind my garbage can and my wife forgot he came by.

You could imagine my frustration this morning to learn that it was outside all night. I hope the cold didn't do anything to it, I'm pretty sure it's ok.

S*cks to wait until next week to get it hooked up.

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

First of all, I'm a new member and have been reading your posts a few weeks now and decided to join today. Anyway, I currently have 3 antennas in my attic all combined together with a splitter reversed and get everything great (except Fox, I only get that some of the time). I have a Winegard Sensar outside that can get Fox 8.1 with no problems. It's attached to a switch so I can switch between my attic setup and my Winegard. I live in southern Forsyth county near the Davidson line just to let you know where I am. Here's my question... I was playing around with my amplified Sensar (Batwing-looking) antenna just to see if I could get any Charlotte stations. When I first started playing with it, I got the usual 2, 12, 45 but no Charlotte channels. I got the signal meter to jump a little on 3, 9, and 18, but nothing would lock. I didn't play with it any more until I went to bed around 11:00 yesterday evening. I figured what the heck, let's see if I can get anything, and what do you know, 3-1 and 9-1 came in at about 60-70% signal strength. I checked it again this morning and they are gone again. Why is it the stations came in late at night, but I couldn't get them any other time?

Thanks,
-Chad

MilChad

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I am inquiring on behalf of my parents, as my mom is trying to purchase a new TV for my dad for Christmas. They currently have analog TWC. If they purchase a TV with a cable card slot, will they still have to upgrade their subscription to digital cable? I know they will have to pay ~$2 a month to rent the cable card, but I'm not sure they want to pay $10-15 more per month for digital channels they won't watch.

My dad will probably want to get the HD pack of channels ($5-6 per month?), but is there any way to keep their analog subscription, get the cable card and still get the HD pack channels on the TV?

Figured I would ask here, as it appears with TWC you get a different answer every time you call. Thanks for any help.

DaveWolf

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Question about OTA reception...

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First of all, I'm a new member and have been reading your posts a few weeks now and decided to join today. Anyway, I currently have 3 antennas in my attic all combined together with a splitter reversed and get everything great (except Fox, I only get that some of the time). I have a Winegard Sensar outside that can get Fox 8.1 with no problems. It's attached to a switch so I can switch between my attic setup and my Winegard. I live in southern Forsyth county near the Davidson line just to let you know where I am. Here's my question... I was playing around with my amplified Sensar (Batwing-looking) antenna just to see if I could get any Charlotte stations. When I first started playing with it, I got the usual 2, 12, 45 but no Charlotte channels. I got the signal meter to jump a little on 3, 9, and 18, but nothing would lock. I didn't play with it any more until I went to bed around 11:00 yesterday evening. I figured what the heck, let's see if I can get anything, and what do you know, 3-1 and 9-1 came in at about 60-70% signal strength. I checked it again this morning and they are gone again. Why is it the stations came in late at night, but I couldn't get them any other time?

Thanks,
-Chad






Easy....Less interference...No Sunspot acvtivity. You will see the same in am/fm reception.

MagicMixR

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

We'll I'll be. That's all there is to it. I've pondered that question for about a year now but never asked. Thanks for the info. I know this is a Triad forum, but does anybody know if any of the Charlotte channels are running at reduced power? If so, which ones? I'm into getting all I can get with this whole HD thing...

Thanks,
Chad

MilChad

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

Not quite that simple. Differing atmospheric conditions "bend" signals, sometimes to your advantage, sometimes to your disadvantage, occasionally causing freak long distance reception. Local weather, leaves blowing on trees, even where your next door neighbor parks his SUV, will cause variations of received signal strength and quality. TV reception is as much art as science, and results can never be fully predited. and are constantly changing. Cable is a more consistant signal source if available, not always better, but more consistant.

posg

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

You guys may not believe this but last fall when I got my Samsung SIR-TS360 HD receiver, I had one of those crappy Terk clip-on antennas attached to my dish. Anyway, I was able to get Fox 18-1, and CBS 3-1 out of Charlotte with that thing! I would have never believed it had I not seen it. As of last night, I'm lucky to get 30% signal strength from 18-1 with my Winegard. Any idea what time of year is good for "sunspot activity" and what time of year is bad? It seems like we're in a time period where it affects signal strength considerably.

MilChad

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by MilChad
You guys may not believe this but last fall when I got my Samsung SIR-TS360 HD receiver, I had one of those crappy Terk clip-on antennas attached to my dish. Anyway, I was able to get Fox 18-1, and CBS 3-1 out of Charlotte with that thing! I would have never believed it had I not seen it. As of last night, I'm lucky to get 30% signal strength from 18-1 with my Winegard. Any idea what time of year is good for "sunspot activity" and what time of year is bad? It seems like we're in a time period where it affects signal strength considerably.
About the sunspot activity, early to mid Oct. last year saw extremely few sunspots for the USA.

If you would like to read on sunspots and see actual calendars with qty mappings of sunspots, follow some of these links:

1. Nasa site: http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/sunspots.htm

2. NOAA site on Sunspots: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/ssn.html

3. links to charts/graphs that show actual numbers of sunspots by geographic region plotted by year/month/days http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/f...potnumber.html

4. plotted calendar for USA 2004: ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DA...N_NUMBERS/2004

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by itms1022
About the sunspot activity, early to mid Oct. last year saw extremely few sunspots for the USA.

Well.............. that isn't quite right.

The sunspots run in 11 year cycles that do enhance radio signals and can also degrade signals and disrupt the power grid and other nasty things. We are actually moving through a low in the cycle now.

The summer and winter yearly enhancement is caused by atmospheric changes from cold to hot and hot to cold. When you have radically different day and night temperatures, it sets up what is called tropospheric ducting. Imagine a heating duct in the sky where you have a layer of warm air, a layer of cold air and then another layer of warm air, like a duct. Radio waves get trapped in this duct and can be transported many miles, up to a 1000 miles on ocassion and then drop out of the duct when a hold develops in the bottom layer.

There is also a phemomena called Sporadic E that is triggered by the sun and the weather affects it also. That is also a yearly event with the maximum effect in June, July and August and a milder "season" in the month of December.

Tropo is basically short distances of several hundred miles and Sporadic E averages around 1500 miles on a single hop but on rare occassions, you can get double hops out to 3000 miles.

Here is a URL of a site in Lexington, Ky of a guy who DX's (or distance listens) for FM and TV signals. He has screen caps of analog and DTV stations he has received at his home in Lexington, Ky. For about a year he held the DTV DX distance record of about 110 miles. Interesting stuff. http://www.dxfm.com

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I'm not sure what is not quite right. I am no sunspot expert, that is for sure, in fact, I know nothing about them. I was not trying to give reasons as to the reception of signal last fall.

I simply made an observation that during the dates of Oct. 8 - 15 last year there was apparently little sunspot activity according to the chart at the URL below. If I am reading the chart right and understanding the chart right, then that was actually the least amount of activity all year last year.

Did I read it wrong or misunderstand,?

ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DA...N_NUMBERS/2004

Thanks in advance, just wanted to make sure so I didn't do it again.

itms1022

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

I appreciate it. The guy in Lexington, KY is taking DTV to a whole new level isn't he? Quite impressive! Once Fox 8-1 is full power, I'll be a happy man, that's for sure. It sounds like it won't be long before it's up and running at full strength.

MilChad

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by itms1022
I'm not sure what is not quite right. I am no sunspot expert, that is for sure, in fact, I know nothing about them. I was not trying to give reasons as to the reception of signal last fall.

I simply made an observation that during the dates of Oct. 8 - 15 last year there was apparently little sunspot activity according to the chart at the URL below. If I am reading the chart right and understanding the chart right, then that was actually the least amount of activity all year last year.

Did I read it wrong or misunderstand,?
You can have sunspot activity at anytime. But the sun produces more sunspots in an 11 year cycle and we are in the lower output of the cycle. That doesn't mean that there are no sunspots, it just means that the number and intensity of the sunspots are much lower than the highs of the cycle. When we are at the high point, you get much more consistent DX stations than when there is a low in the cycle.

Check out http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/prop/ for the current solar update from Tad Cook, K7RA. He has all of the numbers and also predicts trends and recaps recent history of all major frequency ranges.

foxeng

Greensboro, NC - HDTV

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Originally Posted by MilChad
Once Fox 8-1 is full power, I'll be a happy man, that's for sure. It sounds like it won't be long before it's up and running at full strength.
To say that we are busting hump to get it up at full power would be an understatement! But it looks like everything is coming together at the right time and we are on schedule for middle to late next month. We are just waiting for one final piece of paper from the FCC to give us the actual permission to energize the antenna and we expect that any day now. We get that and it should be smooth sailing to completion next month.

foxeng

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