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Question Phoenix AZ HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Updated: 2008-05-23 09:31:53 (5902)
Phoenix AZ HDTV

Digital/HD Channel Lineup for Metro Phoenix. Lloyd (from the AZ HDTV Forums - link in my profile) has developed a Google spreadsheet outling the digital and HD channels that are available from all providers to the Metro Phoenix area. This grid is much more useful than the list that was previously included in this post.

Metro Phoenix Digital/HD Channel Grid

Clear QAM Channel Lineup. The following is the clear QAM lineup available on standard Cox systems, which includes most of the Phoenix area except for some areas of Tempe and Glendale. A clear QAM tuner and subscription to basic cable are required to receive these channels.
Code:
RF Ch    Resolution  Cox  Name       Remap  Affiliation
072-5*   528x480i    14   AZNEWS            
076-1    1280x720p   710  KSAZ-DT    0.710  Fox HD
076-2    1920x1080i  706  KASW-DT    0.706  CW HD
080-4    544x480i    21   KPAZ              TBN
080-5    544x480i    06   KASW              CW
080-6    544x480i    17   KPPX              ION
080-7    544x480i    13   KAZT              AZ TV
080-8    544x480i    19   KTVW              Univision
081-77#  544x480i    07   Cox 7             
085-11   528x480i    2    CSPAN             
085-12   528x480i    125  CSPAN2            
086-24*  528x480i    96   HSN               
087-11*  528x480i    500  PPVPB             
087-15*  528x480i    1    CLIC              
088-1    528x480i    650  NBAB              
095-1%   544x480i    22   LEASED            
101-2    528x480i    115  MCTV              
101-12   528x480i    122  Pentagon          
102-8*   528x480i    16   TBS               
103-1    544x480i    9    KUTP              MNTV
103-3*   544x480i    99   know99            
103-4*   544x480i    11   PHX11             
103-5*   528x480i    8    KAET              PBS
103-6*   544x480i    15   KNXV              ABC
103-7*   544x480i    5    KPHO              CBS
103-8*   544x480i    12   KPNX              NBC
103-9*   544x480i    10   KSAZ              Fox
103-10*  544x480i    3    KTVK              Ind
105-1    1280x720p   708  KAET-DT-1  0.708  PBS HD
105-2    1920x1080i  712  KPNX-DT-1  0.712  NBC HD
105-3    704x480i    80   KAET-DT-2  0.80   KAET Create
105-4    704x480i    83   KPNX-DT-2  0.83   NBC Weather+
105-5    704x480i    88   KAET-DT-3  0.85   PBS World
106-1    1280x720p   715  KNXV-DT-1  0.715  ABC HD
106-2    1920x1080i  705  KPHO-DT-1  0.705  CBS HD
106-4*   704x480i    85   KPHO-DT-2  0.85   CBS 5 Weather Now
106-5*   704x480i    95   KNXV-DT-2  0.95   GoAZ.TV (traffic)
108-1    1920x1080i  703  KTVK-DT    1.703  KTVK HD
108-3*   1280x720p   709  KUTP-DT-1  0.709  MNTV HD
110-3    528x480i    97   TVGC              
110-4    528x480i    20   KTAZ              Telemundo
110-5    528x480i    18   WGN
* May show on a different subchannel due to nonsequential programs
# May not map on all tuners
% 64QAM modulation instead of the normal 256

Cable TV Channel Frequencies. Users of MythTV and other PC tuning cards can use the Cable TV Channel Frequency Chart in conjuction with the Clear QAM Channel Lineup above to calculate cable QAM frequencies needed to tune the unencrypted channels.

Cable TV Channel Frequeny Chart
  1. Use the Clear QAM List to find the desired Cox channel and locate the corresponding RF Channel number.
  2. Then locate that RF Channel number in the Channel Designation-EIA/NCTA column in the Cable TV Chart.
  3. Now look across to the Visual Carrier-Standard column to find the corresponding Base Frequency.
  4. Add 1.75 to this number to calculate the applicable cable frequency.
For example: Cox Channel 705 (CBS-KPHO) is RF Channel 106 in the Clear QAM List. This equates to a Base Frequency of 685.25 in the Cable TV Chart. Adding 1.75 results in a QAM Frequency of 687, the same number displayed in the Cox Diagnostics Display screens.

Cox SDV Channels.
Code:
109 Cox Real Estate 2
110 Daystar
112 INSP
113 EWTN
114 BYU-TV
125 C-SPAN 2
126 C-SPAN 3
133 DIY
144 Fox Reality Channel
155 BET Jazz
156 Great American Country
157 Fuse
158 G4
159 Logo
163 Fit TV
170 Fox College Sports Atlantic
172 Fox College Sports Pacific
173 Fuel
405 TV Chile
410 De Pelicula
411 De Pelicula Clasico
412 CineLatino
413 VeneMovies
417 History en Espanol
418 Discovery en Espanol
422 Discovery Familia
423 TOON Disney en Espanol
424 Boomerang en Espanol
425 Sorpresa
430 MTV Tres
432 Bandamax
433 VideoRola
434 mun2
438 ESPN Deportes
439 Fox Sports en Espanol
440 GoITV
444 CNN en Espanol
445 Canal Sur
449 EWTN Espanol
500 iNDEMAND Previews
601-606 ESPN Game Plan / ESPN Full Court
650 NBA League Pass Preview
651-659 NBA League Pass / MLS Direct Kick
671-684 MLB Extra Innings / NHL Center Ice
840 Public Safety
850 Public Safety
851 Public Safety
853 Public Safety
854 Public Safety
856 Public Safety
857 Public Safety
DTV Elections. All Phoenix stations have made their final DTV elections for the channels they will use once the trasnsition is complete and analaog channels are turned off. Here is the new lineup:

Code:
 8  KAET  PBS
10  KSAZ  Fox
12  KPNX  NBC
15  KNXV  ABC
17  KPHO  CBS
20  KPAZ  TBN
24  KTVK  Independent
26  KUTP  MN
33  KTVW  Univision
39  KTAZ  Telemundo
49  KASW  CW
51  KPPX  ion
Points of Contact

KTVK-DT (IND 3/24) POC:
Jim Cole: jim_cole@azfamily.com (602-207-3369)
http://www.azfamily.com/customerservice/HelpCenter.do

KPHO-DT (CBS 5/17) POC:
General Manager: cbs5gm@news5.tv
Technical: cbs5eng@news5.tv
Seth Parker (Programming Director): Seth.Parker@kpho.com
Jon Thorwaldson (Engineering Supervisor): Jon.Thorwaldson@kpho.com
Ed Sutton?? (Head Engineer): esutton@mdp.com

KAET-DT (PBS 8/29) POC:
kaet@asu.edu
Greg Giczi: Greg.Giczi@asu.edu
Dennis Poe (Viewer Services): Dennis.Poe@asu.edu
Viewer Services: 480-965-2308
Reception Problems: 480-965-3506
Reception Problems (after hours): 480-965-0155
Digital: digieight@asu.edu

KSAZ-DT (FOX 10/31) POC:
Gerry Grunig: ggrun926@foxtv.com (602-262-5106)
Jim McDermaid: jmcde276@foxtv.com (602-262-5122)
Tom Lewis: tom.lewis@foxtv.com
Master Control: 602-262-5119/5128

KPNX-DT (NBC 12/36) POC:
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/contact/
Karl Voss: kvoss@kpnx.com (602-261-6148)

KNXV-DT (ABC 15/56) POC:
Ryan Stewart: rstewart@abc15.com
Programming - Programming@abc15.com
Engineering - engineering@abc15.com
Charles Whitlatch (Transmission Systems Engineer): cwhitlatch@abc15.com

KUTP-DT (MN 45/26) POC:
Gerry Grunig: ggrun926@foxtv.com (602-262-5106)
Jim McDermaid: jmcde276@foxtv.com (602-262-5122)
Tom Lewis: tom.lewis@foxtv.com
Master Control: 602-262-5119/5128
http://www.upn45phoenix.com/about/contact.shtml

KASW-DT (CW 61/49) POC:
Jim Cole: jim_cole@azfamily.com (602-207-3369)
http://www.quick6.com/
NOTE: If program is not in HD, try calling the main number (602-207-3333, press 1 to get to the newsroom, then ask to be transferred to engineering.

Answers: Phoenix AZ HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by billsinaz
I still can't seem to get decent reception OTA. I have the winegard antenna with the Samsung TS-360 receiver. I live 8 miles from the towers and can see them from where my antenna is placed.

Can I be doing something wrong with my setup? The Dtv installer has the OTA cable plugged into my "cable" input on the TS-360. I changed it to the OTA connection, but I still can't get a signal.

I tried a RS amplifier and that didn't help either.

I'm stumped and the World Series is on Fox and I can't receive Channels 88 or 89 either. Watching the Series on regular Dtv.

Help....
I don't know about the winegard but you may want to try some of the other antennas that people have suggested. I live in Chandler near Queen Creek Rd. & Alma School and the I have a antenna sitting on top of my tv with a amp connected to it. That maybe something that you should try. Connecting a amp I mean. The RS antennas seem to be getting pretty good reviews.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by billsinaz
I still can't seem to get decent reception OTA. I have the winegard antenna with the Samsung TS-360 receiver. I live 8 miles from the towers and can see them from where my antenna is placed.

Can I be doing something wrong with my setup? The Dtv installer has the OTA cable plugged into my "cable" input on the TS-360. I changed it to the OTA connection, but I still can't get a signal.

I tried a RS amplifier and that didn't help either.

I'm stumped and the World Series is on Fox and I can't receive Channels 88 or 89 either. Watching the Series on regular Dtv.

Help....
I'm surprised you haven't been getting 88 or 89. I don't get 88, but I do get 89 in HD when the games were on the last week or so and I use the TS-360 too.

I don't think the TS-360 is your main problem, but I think it's a part of the problem for getting stations OTA, as that brand doesn't seem to be as reliable at pulling in stations as other brands like the Sony I had. But since you are only 8 miles away you should still be able to pull in the stations OTA with the TS-360 the majority of the time in my opinion, so I'm not sure what the deal is in your case. Hopefully some others here can give you some good ideas that will help. I'd call DirecTV about why you aren't getting 89 though when the game is being shown, because I've been getting it.

crashairlines

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I have heard of individuals using an attunuator. I guess sometimes the signal is too strong. It didnt work for me, but it might be worth a shot. Being real close to the towers MAY make the signals too strong. At lease it seems to make sense.

With that said, I have to rotate my antenna about 15 degrees depending upon which station I want to get. Im using a silver sensor, as that yeilds the best results. Even better than outdoor and amplified antennas. I live in Gilbert near Lindsay and Elliot.

Thanks

Steven

ntrprize

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I still can't seem to get decent reception OTA. I have the winegard antenna with the Samsung TS-360 receiver. I live 8 miles from the towers and can see them from where my antenna is placed.

Can I be doing something wrong with my setup? The Dtv installer has the OTA cable plugged into my "cable" input on the TS-360. I changed it to the OTA connection, but I still can't get a signal.

I tried a RS amplifier and that didn't help either.

I'm stumped and the World Series is on Fox and I can't receive Channels 88 or 89 either. Watching the Series on regular Dtv.

Help....

billsinaz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Hey all,

I'm also happy to see this thread.

I've live in way East Mesa, Crismon and Baseline to be exact. I just bought a 65" mits and I am using the samsung ts360 receiver and get all the SD and HD channels. I use the Zenith Silver Sensor and it works great. What's odd is when I lived in Tempe I actually got much worse reception (and the boucing around effect as mentioned earlier) but now it works nicely.

When I built my house I had them run an extra line to the roof for an antenna hookup but I haven't needed yet.

tj_angel_113

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by tj_angel_113
Hey all,

What's odd is when I lived in Tempe I actually got much worse reception (and the boucing around effect as mentioned earlier) but now it works nicely.
That's interesting. I live about 2 miles away from Tempe in Chandler, and only about 12 miles from the antenna towers on South Mountain, yet I had trouble at times with reception.

I also live about half a mile away from big power lines that run through Tempe and Mesa for several miles between Elliot and Guadalupe. I wonder if those power lines are part of the problem with reception?

My reception has improved a lot though the last 2 weeks since I put the Channel Master antenna in my attic. It's basically a 4 bowtie antenna instead of a 2 bowtie antenna like phxbruzer posted. I had the 2 bowtie antenna from Radio Shack and lost the signal more often compared to the channel master antenna. I didn't have much luck with any of the indoor antennas I tried. I always lost a couple of channels.

I haven't lost the signal as much since I installed the Channel Master. I hope it stays that way and that I didn't jinx myself. I still think there is something though in the area near I live that makes it harder to lock onto a signal.


crashairlines

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by LarryInAz
I will try and pay closer attention to the non HD broadcasts - though to be honest I rarely watch OTA 10.1 unless it is a HD broadcast. The nonHD stuff I usually watch the Sat feed.

As to your question about the audio - is this a recent issue you're asking about? For nearly 2 weeks last month after KSAZ got their splicer going they had major audio problems. About every 5-10 seconds the audio would drop out and then return. It made the channel unwatchable. This is the only audio problem I'm aware of but it has sounded good to me the last few weeks.
I haven't had any issues with Fox, since I got my set a couple weeks ago. At least I haven't since I found a good place for my antenna. I bought a cheap Radio Shack one that works great with an amp that Cox had left behind at one of the places I used to live. I have 90s on all channels now.

Here's the antenna I got (Radio Shack part number 930-0998):

I will be throwing it up in the attic soon. I just have to get motivated to go up and drop the cable down to my set. I can't put it on top of my TV or even have it in my living room as the wall behind my set is where a lot of the electrical and water pipes are and it causes way too much interference. Once I moved it to a clean spot, everything lit up beautifully. I still would like to do an antenna where I don't need the amp but, this works great for now. I have to do some research on the amp that I have though. The guy that came out and set up my DirecTV though said it was a really nice one. Heck it brings everything from the upper 60's low 70's up to mid 90's so I guess it's working great.

phxbruzer

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by phxbruzer
oops I guess 2 more.
Sorry last one

phxbruzer

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by phxbruzer
shoot! need another post so I can post urls
oops I guess 2 more.

phxbruzer

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Hi everyone.
I've also just found this thread.
I'm looking to purchase A Panasonic plasma in the next couple of months and would like to take advantage of the built in ASTC tuner. I have Dish Network, but not HD yet (still want to use my current Dish 508 PVR a little while longer). It seems like most of you live in the southeast valley. I live in central Phoenix (Central & Missouri) and I'm wondering about OTA reception in this part of town. Does anyone have any feed back?

bobaphx

Phoenix AZ HDTV

shoot! need another post so I can post urls

phxbruzer

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Thanks for the info guys.

crashairlines

Phoenix AZ HDTV

hey guys. I'm new to this HDTV thing. I just picked up a HDTV Monitor (Sony KP51WS520) and I signed up for the Cox HD service. Overall, im quite happy with the reception I get. However, being a deep down geek im attempting to build an HD PVR out of a spare PC I have with the ATI HD Wonder. The difference is that the HD Wonder doesn't support cable transmissions of HD signals, just OTA.

My question is how good is OTA reception compared to Cable? I live on the corner of Alma School and Chandler, but my apartment faces east (away from south mountain). Is investing in an OTA solution a good idea since I don't have any windows or openings facing south mountain or should I just stick with my cable provider for now? Are there any good indoor antennas that I could possibly use that I can look into?

Thanks for your help.

muldoonaz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I will try and pay closer attention to the non HD broadcasts - though to be honest I rarely watch OTA 10.1 unless it is a HD broadcast. The nonHD stuff I usually watch the Sat feed.

As to your question about the audio - is this a recent issue you're asking about? For nearly 2 weeks last month after KSAZ got their splicer going they had major audio problems. About every 5-10 seconds the audio would drop out and then return. It made the channel unwatchable. This is the only audio problem I'm aware of but it has sounded good to me the last few weeks.

LarryInAz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by crashairlines
Thanks for the info, but I don't understand why that makes a difference for being able to get Fox HD but not CBS HD or NBC HD over the satellite.
The networks can only allow the satellite providers to offer the HD feeds in markets where they own the station. Fox owns their Phoenix affiliate. NBC and CBS do not own their Phoenix affiliates. (The owned stations are usually called "O&O's" in the business...stands for "owned and operated".)

Since Fox controls Phoenix's Fox 10, they can pave the way for satellite subscribers to view the network feed in HD.

Inundated

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by LarryInAz
I'm not seeing what you're describing at this moment [presently watching the Dodgers v Cards game in HD]. The framing of the picture looks good on my 1080i. However about two weeks ago I did see a similar picture that was clipped on the top and bottom - turns out when the station returned from a local station break they did not return to HD but a streched out SD signal.
I should have clarified. It doesn't happen to me when they do HD or widescreen format, but the bottom gets chopped off in Fox in when they show SD. I notice it mostly during the news, as the Fox logo gets chopped off on the bottom.

crashairlines

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by LarryInAz
The way I understand it Phoenix will only be entitled to FOX HD since KSAZ Channel 10 is a Fox O&O station.
Thanks for the info, but I don't understand why that makes a difference for being able to get Fox HD but not CBS HD or NBC HD over the satellite.

crashairlines

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by crashairlines
I was curious if anyone knew if we in the Phoenix area will eventually be able to get CBS HD and NBC HD over the satellite any time soon? It's offered in other markets, but for some reason it's not currently offered in the Phoenix market.
The way I understand it Phoenix will only be entitled to FOX HD since KSAZ Channel 10 is a Fox O&O station.

LarryInAz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Do all of you who get digital Fox 10 OTA get the picture cut off at the top and bottom of the screen? At first I thought my GWIII was setup wrong, but it's the only station that does it, even when I shrink the picture.

Fox seems to have some problems. I also get some sound quality problems at times too with Fox for some reason.

crashairlines

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I'm not seeing what you're describing at this moment [presently watching the Dodgers v Cards game in HD]. The framing of the picture looks good on my 1080i. However about two weeks ago I did see a similar picture that was clipped on the top and bottom - turns out when the station returned from a local station break they did not return to HD but a streched out SD signal.

LarryInAz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I'm glad to see this thread too.

I'm no expert on any of this HDTV stuff, but it's been my observation that the Samsung TS360 is not as good as other receivers for picking up OTA broadcasts. Maybe that is the problem for a few of the other posters in this thread too.

I originally had a Sony SAT-HD300 HDTV receiver, and I was able to get all the digital stations no problem with a pair of rabbit ears on top of my set. But that receiver had a malfunction trying to get HDTV satellite signals, so DirecTV sent me the Samsung TS360 to replace it with which fixed my satellite problem, but it seems real finicky with OTA signals.

The TS360 couldn't lock onto some of the stations with rabbit ears, so I now put a Channel Master 4221 4-Bay antenna in the attic and locked onto 10 stations, but it still drops out of Fox 10, WB 61, and channel 5 on occasion. The weird part about channel 5, is that I got it strong all week without a problem, but when the HD football game was played on Sunday it would constantly lose the signal. Then after the game when normal SD was broadcast on channel 5, it picked it up no problem the rest of the day.

Is an HD signal somehow harder for a receiver to lock on and pick up compared to a regular SD signal? I wouldn't think so, but I can't figure out why channel 5 has been fine all week and all day today except during the HD football game when it constantly lost the signal and made it unwatchable. The weather didn't seem any different to me.

The signal strength meter on the TS360 is pretty much useless too compared to the Sony SAT-HD300 receiver, as the TS360 bounces around all over the place. So it's hard to tell what's going on there.

I live in Chandler near Alma School & Elliot, about 12 miles from all the towers. You'd think since most of the towers are in the same spot on top of a mountain, and close by, that we wouldn't have any trouble getting signals over the air. But I'm having grief with this TS360 that I wasn't with my Sony. I don't really want to spend money on a better receiver at the moment either to try to pick up OTA signals. I also wonder if we have some kind of interference in the area? Because I would think we should be able to pick up stations no problem with all the towers so close and on top of the mountain.

I was curious if anyone knew if we in the Phoenix area will eventually be able to get CBS HD and NBC HD over the satellite any time soon? It's offered in other markets, but for some reason it's not currently offered in the Phoenix market.

crashairlines

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by ned215
There is no Phoenix Cox thread so I'm posting my question here. I apologize if this is the wrong place.

My question is what is the minimum package that Cox offers that includes HD? Just the locals would be fine. Also, does it require digital cable or is analog sufficient?

btw, this will be for N. Scottsdale

Thanks
For future reference "HDTV" threads are for all HD issues in an area - OTA, Cable, etc. - so this is the right place.

CPanther95

Phoenix AZ HDTV

There is no Phoenix Cox thread so I'm posting my question here. I apologize if this is the wrong place.

My question is what is the minimum package that Cox offers that includes HD? Just the locals would be fine. Also, does it require digital cable or is analog sufficient?

btw, this will be for N. Scottsdale

Thanks

ned215

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I too am excited to see this PHX HD thread! I am expecting delivery of my first HD set on Saturday (Sony KDF-50WE655) and can't wait to try my hand at digital OTA reception! I have been researching the Winegard SquareShooter and I am also considering the use of a diplexer in order to avoid running another RG6 to the roof... Does anyone have experience with the SquareShooter?, any downside to using diplexers? I have a dual LNB dish feeding my Tivo Sat receiver - do I need to purchase a diplexer designed to combine the signal into both lines from the dish or can I just combine the OTA signal and one of the lines from the dish? Would love to hear about anyone elses experiences with the above. Thanks -- I'll post as I begin this new experience... Oh, I live near FLW and the 101 and have a generally clear view of S Mtn with exception of Camelback Mtn mid valley.

MatthewKH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Sheer Luck I live in dewey, about 16 miles south of prescott and am picking up 3-1,5-1,8-1,10-1,12-1,15-1 with just a cheep outside antenna, 4 ft. long and 12 elements and the antenna is a vhf. I do get some micro freezing on 15-1 when watching lost and mnf in HD, could be the wind shaking the antenna or I need a better one. frankie d

frankie d

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Glad to see this Pheonix thread as well. I currently live in St Louis, but plan to retire to the Prescott, Az area. Any one know what the OTA reception is like North of Phoenix?

SheerLuck_Homes

Phoenix AZ HDTV

This is great, a HD antenna thread specific for Phoenix. Exactly what I needed. PatrickM, I live in Gilbert too, I was looking at that Radio Shack antenna but the local Radio Shack didn't have it this weekend. If it works good for you, I'll give it a whirl. Gotta love this forum.

phxbruzer

Phoenix AZ HDTV

OMG, there is a Phoenix hd thread on AVS. Glad to see this thread. Bill I also leave in Chandler near Queen Creek Rd and Alma School. I'm in an apartment using Directivo but no Directv hd. I had Directv hd in Jacksonville where I lived a couple of months ago and I had the Samsung TS360. The TS360 is weird in the way the digital channels load so you may have to play with. Have you tried to load the channels digital channels yet?

I got a new Mits CRT about a month ago and I'm using the OTA tuner in it to get the OTA channels. I had to move the antenna around from spot to spot but I do get all of the available channels, but not all at the same time.

Have you tried to go to antennaweb.org and enter your address so that it gives the correct orientation that the antenna should be at? Try that b/c you should be able to get be able to at least get 10,15 and 61. You may have to turn the antenna a bit. I'm able to get those channels using a settop antenna connected to a amp and I live in an apartment, but I if I get 61 I may lose 15 and I have to turn the antenna again to get 15 so just be aware of that.

Also, if you want some suggestions for a indoor antenna, Home Theater Magazine did a test of the best indoor antennas a couple of months ago. I still have that issue if you're interested in what antennas they tested. Are you using and outdoor or indoor antenna? You also may want to try a variable gain amp depending on what antenna you get. I know Rat Shack has a couple of antennas that already have built in amps.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

CPanther95,

I and the others are not trying to steer anyone away from AVS. We are just trying to setup a forum like we once had. This was an outlet to figure out what we can do. I am not trying to break any rules or step on any toes but we were all taken by surprised that the old forum went down and this thread allowed all of us to regroup. I thought AVS was a forum to get the best/most correct info out to people. I can understand AVS not wanting people to go to other sites but I use to link people all the time to AVS for answers to their questions. I think AVS should try to link up with other forums in order to get the best/most correct info out to the masses. I apologize for linking people to the old forum but I was just trying to get people the best/correct info. I want to help people the best way that I can.

-Carter-

Soundmaster10.2

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Hello all,

I live in Gilbert and recently purchased a Magnavox EDTV. After reading through these threads I saw that an antenna can help with the reception of channels. I went to Radio shack to pick up a 15-1880 but I don't see how it helps.

I plugged it directly into my TV and all I got was fuzzy channels. I plugged my COX DVR into it and flipped the switch for EXT but everything looks the same.

I keep hearing about these 3.1, 5.1 channels but what does that mean? I don't see the dots (.) in the channels. Sorry for such newbie questions but i'm lost.

Thanks for any help.

mkbean

mkbean

Phoenix AZ HDTV

On a side note, do me a favor and handle any external forum discussion off-line. One thing the powers that be don't want is for AVS to simply be a recruiting ground for outside forums. Many members may head over to another forum, but those that want to make AVS their home for all things A/V will be left with no place to go to get their local questions answered.

CPanther95

Phoenix AZ HDTV

CP's last post is right on the money. Before I moved to Phoenix, I found AVS and always monitored and participated in the Jacksonville thread. They have alot of good participation over there. When I moved to Phoenix/Chandler in Sept I was surprised that we didn't have a thread on AVS. When I did find the Society website I felt that it was good, but for people who visit AVS on a regular basis like myself, going to two sites for info can be a little disjointing. We can make this thread our own just like you guys did at the other site. Now that the other site is down, now is the time to get everyone who was at the other site to get involved. As CP said, if someone comes to the local forum section of AVS looking for the Phoenix thread they can look in the FAQ section and find Phoenix.

If Tucson has a thread the size that they do even when there was a Tucson thread at the other site, I'm sure we can also have that same type of participation. We just have to be willing to give it a try.

Daz, I think you mentioned that you didn't like the notion of people from outside of Phoenix chiming into the thread b/c it makes it more difficult to read thru. If I misread your post excuse me. I think that having knowledgable people chime in is always a good thing. Now I must say that having been involved in the Jacksonville thread since 2002, there have only been about 3 or 4 posts from people outside of the area chiming in to lend there expertise. But even when that happened no one didn't have a problem with it b/c the person provided knowledge that we may not have had. If you look at the Miami, Orlando and Tampa threads and other threads, you will see the same thing. People from Boston don't just jump into the Jacksonville thread and starting chatting away unless they are getting ready to move area and they want to know what they hd options are for the area.

AVS is the forum that people who are new to hdtv probably come to first. That includes people from the Phoenix metro area. With that being the case, I think that it's only logical that we make this thread a one-stop shop for the Phoenix metro area. That way, newbies will not have to wonder why there isn't a Phoenix local thread on what is quite possibly the most popular site for hdtv. Everything we need is here and as CP mentioned, the first post can serve as our FAQ with OTA, Directv, Cox, Dish and information about the antenna location and info about the stations. If metro areas the size of Tucson and Fort Meyers can do it, so can we.

Just a thought.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

DAZ:

I'm not a big fan of links to various portions within the thread. I've been looking at the threads basically as having a First Post and a current post (at the end) since those are the two parts of the thread that are always One-Click away. The middle 10, 20, or 100 pages of posts are pretty much disregarded unless someone wants to read up on a bunch of discussion. Also all those posts are there if someone wants to do a search for something specific within the thread.

I think it is much more helpful to have all the pertinent info in the first post. If the originator of the thread is actively moderating the thread, instead of links to important posts, he could actually just add the info to the first post. Any important info that comes out of the general discussion is added to the first post so newbies can be told to review the first post before asking redundant questions. You can't expect someone to read the entire thread, but you can expect them to read one post.

That first post can be laid out however you choose to set it up.
Local Station Digital/HDTV Status
Tower Locations
Station Contact Info
Local Installers
OTA FAQ


A similar setup could be used for the cable threads with channel lineup, pricing packages, HD equipment offered, Cable FAQ, etc. The key is for whoever starts the thread needs to keep that first post current and basically act as a mini-moderator for that thread. The only reason I'm in this discussion is I'm keeping an eye on all low-post count threads to make sure questions are getting answered until there are enough members involved to take care of that. Generally, the only time I get involved with a thread is if there is a problem that was reported - so it's important for a local person to be involved to keep things productive.

Right now, you're correct, all threads re: Phoenix are rolled into a single thread. That's only the case because there isn't enough activity to separate it into sub-categories. That's to be determined by all of you. Wash/Balt. has a tremendous amount of members, yet they have no desire to have more than a single HDTV thread. Boston, OTOH, has it broken down. In fact there's a specific thread for a cable company that only services Shrewsbury, MA.

Personally, I don't really care how many threads there eventually are for Phoenix. My only criteria is that they be logically setup so newbies can look at the Phoenix, AZ part of the index and clearly determine which thread is the most appropriate for their question. I also want to make sure that there is enough activity/discussion to sustain the thread, and when the thread is started, a summary for that topic is placed in the first post.

Flagstaff, AZ - OTA may be a logical thread to have because they likely have their own reception issues - or a Flagstaff, AZ - Mediacom thread because Mediacom (just an example) only services the Flagstaff/Prescott area. However, there's no reason to setup a thread if there are not enough members to keep the thread active. Normally it progresses from a single HDTV thread that covers all issues until there is enough discussion to warrant splitting it up. The transition would be something like this:

Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ - HDTV


Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ - OTA
Phoenix, AZ - Cable


Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ - OTA
Phoenix, AZ - Comcast
Phoenix, AZ - Cox


Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ - OTA
Phoenix, AZ - OTA - Broadcast Engineering Thread
Northern, AZ - OTA
Phoenix, AZ - Comcast
Phoenix, AZ - Cox
Flagstaff, AZ - Mediacom


etc., etc., etc.

BTW, Norfolk has a Broadcast Engineering Thread with Rules established on the front page. The starter of the thread contacts me if someone violates the rules, and I'll delete the offending post. There's another post for general discussion, complaints etc., but the result of this thread is a tremendous amount of participation by most of the key broadcasters in Norfolk without fear of it becoming a bitch-fest.

CPanther95

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Soundmaster10.2
It looks like we have a number of options for new forums:

AVS
Lloyds Website
Carlos Website

The only down side of moving the forum to any new website is to get the word out to everyone.
Just to let you know...I have over 1500MB of disk space on my site server and 30GB of bandwith a month so handling images or heavy traffic would not be a problem.

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

CPanther95 thanks for the offer to tweak the AVS forums to accomodate those of us who have lost our HDTV home on the net....

digital0ne

Phoenix AZ HDTV

We can't do "sub-forums" or "threads within a thread", but we can make the threads more specific - if the activity warrants it. When I reorganized this particular forum, it was to make it more clean and easy to navigate. We eliminated all threads except for "Official" threads for each DMA. Tucson and Phoenix each have a thread. My goal wasn't necessarily to reduce the number of threads, although that was a side effect (there are only 213 active threads in this forum - all others are merged, moved, deleted or closed). The goal was more like pruning a bush - trim it, focus it, so it can grow bigger than before.

My goal is for the members of each DMA to take "ownership" of their area and create the threads that will be most helpful. NY has 6 different threads, Boston 5, etc. Those are based on the fact that there was enough activity to warrant separating the area into specific topics or geographic areas.

If you sort the forum threads in "ASCENDING" order and from "THE BEGINNING" - you see what the forum used to look like, and how many zero reply threads were on the front page at any given time. If people can't get their questions answered, they may not return.

We've used DMAs as our means of categorizing. As a result, Arizona is divided into Phoenix, Tuscon/Sierra Vista, and Yuma. Nobody has started a thread yet for Yuma. But all Phoenix or Tuscon threads started will be merged into their appropriate thread - and those threads are permanent so they will be there indefinitely.

If it were up to me, when someone entered the local forum, they'd go right into the thread index sticky, so they would be forced to locate their local thread. If they lived in Phoenix, they'd look under Arizona and the link to the thread is right there (they could also note that Phoenix is DMA #15, and next time just scroll down to #15 to find their home thread.) There really is no need to see the front page any longer.

It's up to you guys as far as what you want to see. For the past 4 months, anything regarding Arizona has been funneled into only 2 threads and it still hasn't yielded a tremendous amount of activity.

You can check out the Jacksonville and St. Louis threads. Jacksonville has a nice summary of the area on the first post. St. Louis uses the first three posts for station info, FAQ, etc.

CPanther95

Phoenix AZ HDTV

We really want to keep AVS a place for all your answers. If there's something we can setup here to make this more workable for you guys, let me know. Up to this point, AVS has simply been a recruiting ground for external Phoenix forums. As a result there hasn't been a need for more than 1 Phoenix thread. If you think you'll have the activity, feel free to startup separate threads for OTA, Comcast, etc.

If whoever starts the threads will commit to keeping the first post up-to-date and accurate, it should offset the lack of stickies. The first post can contain an FAQ, channel lineup, list of installers, etc. It's not perfect, but with 130,000 members to draw from, it should only be a matter of time before enough members are here to keep things productive.

CPanther95

Phoenix AZ HDTV

IMHO, 92% is a good signal. I wouldn't worry about installing an amp or anything. At that strength, you should be fine even in inclement weather. I'm pretty far away from S. Mountain as well, at int. of Tatum/Cave Creek. My signal strength is the same as yours.

TBN is a weak signal.

bkaz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Thanks for the response. Turns out my Channelmaster Distribution Amp went bad.

bkaz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Hey all.

I live in Far East Mesa in the square mile bordered by Baseline, Ellsworth, Crismon, and Guadalupe. Closer to the Baseline + Crismon intersection. Anyway, I just got the new DirecTV HR10-250 receiver. In the attic I have just installed a big RCA ANT3036X antenna (36 element 110" boom length). I have aimed the antenna as direct towards south mountain (252 degrees) as possible, but not possible to get exactly 252 degrees with all the attic framing in the way.

Anyway, I get almost all stations in 92-95% with a couple being 88-90% except for channel 21.1 (TBN, frequency 20) which I get about 60%. The channels I get are: PBS, IND (3), UNI, FOX, PAX, CBS, NBC, UPN, WB, ABC, TBN.

I'm just wondering why TBN is weak - it's in the same location as all the other antennas (south mountain, 25 1/2 miles away)... are they running at a lower power?

Another question I have - is the 92% good? Can I get better? Is it worth installing a preamp on the antenna if I can? Or should I just leave it alone?

Thanks all!

Marv

mherbold

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Yeah, with the big wind storm on Thursday night (12/16), we lost the digital reception to NBC. My wife was upset that she couldn't watch the final episode of "The Apprentice". I had my Voom receiver rescan for OTA channels, but RF 36 wasn't coming in at all. However, the next morning, everything was working again and we haven't had any problems since. The other interesting thing is, even though every other channel was working that night, the Voom receiver was showing my OTA signal strength of 0. Go figure.

Jon

Jon Komar

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Can someone verify that the QAM for Cox works?

eklee

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Is anyone else having problems with OTA Digital reception since last night (12/16)?

Just trying to figure out if my problem is equipment or with the networks. I am receiving PBS and NBC, but FOX, CBS, ABC, UPN, and WB are dark.

The power went out last night, so I think my receiver might have gotten fried despite the surge protector.

Thanks in advance.

bkaz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

HOA cannot forbid rooftop antennas if you own your home.

CPanther95

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Hey guys,

I've been reading on other forums that Cox-Phoenix wasn't supporting DVI on their set top boxes (3250HD). The messages I read were a little older, but I wanted to know if this problem has been fixed yet..

Anyone have any clues?

Snake Charmer

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by bradjames
I hope someone can help. I just installed the new Tivo HD system and I知 using a Radio Shack Amplified digital HDTV antenna (15-1880). I知 able to pick up all the HD programming, most channels I receive a rating of 85+. Channel 15.1, 15.2, and 15.3 I receive 73+. The problem is this, at night I lose channel 15.1, 15.2 and 15.3. The rating goes down to 15 to 40. Why at night do I lose this channel? (as soon as the sun goes down, so does channel 15 HD) What can I do to fix this?
I actually live in North Glendale and I was having similar problems with 15.1 until I switched to a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna. My previous antenna, which was an 8-bay hovermann (similar to an 8-bay bowtie) started to lose gain at about channel 50.

You need an antenna with really good gain at the highest UHF frequencies, because 15 is one of the highest (its actually 56).

The silver sensor has some problems with channel 21 (must be a dip in its gain at that frequency), but since 21 is just TBN, I didn't care that it's a little flaky.

[ed. fixed some typos and added some more info]

Mac The Knife

Phoenix AZ HDTV

BradJames,

During the evening hours the atmosphere changes as does the climate. Because of the weather changes in phoenix during this time you'll singal drops. I all of a sudden lost 45-1 this evening.

It should be back tomorrow. Depending on where you are at. I am in Desert Ridge near 101 Fwy & Tatum Blvd. Perhaps a larger antenna might help, try a TERK or Winguard antenna.

Regards,
Jim

iotp

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Thanks for the info. Now, I need to figure out how to get HD OTA. My HOA will not allow rooftop antennas. Do Phoenix HD broadcasts orginate from South Mountain? Maricopa is direct line to South Mountain, but is the distance too great?

gregoryharding

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I hope someone can help. I just installed the new Tivo HD system and I知 using a Radio Shack Amplified digital HDTV antenna (15-1880). I知 able to pick up all the HD programming, most channels I receive a rating of 85+. Channel 15.1, 15.2, and 15.3 I receive 73+. The problem is this, at night I lose channel 15.1, 15.2 and 15.3. The rating goes down to 15 to 40. Why at night do I lose this channel? (as soon as the sun goes down, so does channel 15 HD) What can I do to fix this?

bradjames

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Water1,

The Wingaurd antenna is the only one they send, send me a PM and I will take a e-picture and email it over. I was really amazed at the reception, and was wondering what I was really going to get. Upon the factory installation DTV brought out the RCA DTC210. A pretty good unit. Comes complete with RF remote (which was a bonus). The $149 installation came with the upgraded eliptical dishm wingaurd antenna installation, multiswitch if needed, and DTC210 receiver. It was basically a test.

Since I already had the newer upgraded dish. They didnt install it. I also had the Terk MS58 cascade multiswitch. So all they really installed was the wingaurd, and a couple of diplexers for the OTA locals.

I wasnt sure what I was going to get, and DTV guaranteed me that if I wasnt satisifed I could back out and pull the installation. Upon installation, the following HD channels came in: 3-1, 5-1, 8-1, 10-1, 12-1, 45-1, 51-1, and 61-1. NO 15-1 (ABC) feed.

I figured that was better then I was going to get, and kept the installation. I then went down to Showcase down on Camelback and picked up the HD-DVR. I've had TIVO for 4+ years and not without it wasn't an option. I plugged in the HD-DVR, and you know what? 15-1 came it. I was stoked.

Monday Night Football on 15-1 looked like XBOX NFL 2004. It looked amazing.

Check out the site www.antennaweb.org. You can punch in their address and see what results it gives you.

According to the HD-DVR my ANT-IN signal strength was 92%.

I have seen the COX HD setup at a friends house, I cannot remember what receiver they had, I wasn't too impressed with it comparitively with what my setup was. The hd monitors were pretty much the same. I have a Pioneer Elite Pro620HD, they had the Pro630HD. Both were plugged in component video feeds. I guess if you want simplistic installation,

I did notice that UltimateHD showed up on the DTV feed over the last few days. That was a bonus.

==========================

GregoryHarding: Remember they are the cable company. They make promises they cannot keep. Like digitial cable is so much better. You'll never pry my dish from my dead dying fingers.

Regards,
Jim

iotp

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I have been following the Satellite Guys thread on D*HD. There seems to be a widespread problem of very frequent pixelation on HD broadcasts. I'm trying to decide between Satellite HD or Cable HD for a new home under contstruction in Maricopa. The cable co. in Maricopa has a very limited HD offering now, but promises to have premium HD by the time the home is finished. Any advice on SAT HD vs Cable?

gregoryharding

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I have Cox cable and I love it. I have the 3250HD and I can record to a Mac using 1394 (Firewire).

Here is a list of the channels and products available..

COX HD Offeringss. Cox Cable in Phoenix offers the following High Definition (HD) channels (A/O 12/08/04):

Available to all subscribers:
705 - KPHO-5 (CBS)
706 - KASW-61 (WB)
708 - KAET-8 (PBS)
710 - KSAZ-10 (FOX)
712 - KPNX-12 (NBC)
715 - KNXV-15 (ABC)
720 - ESPN
721 - iNHD1
722 - iNHD2
724 - Universal HD (Coming Dec 8)

NOTE: From time to time, Cox will preempt iNHD2/722 programming for local sports teams being broadcast on Fox Sports Net in HD. The preemption will not always show in the IPG, so be sure to double-check iNHD2 on your own.

Available with subscription:
723 - Discovery HD

Available with subscription to specific movie package:
730 - HBO
740 - Showtime
750 - StarZ

Available with an integrated or stand-alone QAM capable receiver. Note: You must be a subscriber to at least basic cable service.
76-1 KSAZ-10 (FOX)
76-2 KASW-61 (WB)
79-1 KNXV-15 (ABC)
79-2 KPHO-5 (CBS)
82-1 KPNX-12 (NBC)
82-2 KAET-8 (PBS)
82-3 KAET-8 (PBS-Kids/PBS)

HD Receivers. Additionally, Cox Cable offers three HD receivers from Scientific Atlanta:

The SA3100HD is a first-generation HD receiver with limited capabilities. While there may still be some units in stock, most subscribers opt for a newer, more up-to-date receiver.

The SA3250HD is the standard HD receiver with mulitple audio/video outputs, including 1394 (Firewire). If you need Firewire support, this is the only unit currently offering such support.

The SA8300HD is an HD digital video recorder offering dual-tuners, multiple audio/video outputs, and up to 20 hours of HD recording capability. With it, you can record two programs while viewing a third previously recorded program, view one program while recording a second program, or view two programs using PIP features. Depending upon connections, you can also view a down-converted recorded program on one TV, view a second recorded program on another TV, and record two other programs. It costs $20/mo ($15 for the unit and $5 for the recording service).

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

iotp,
I am helping some friends in Carefree make a decision on upgrading to HD service with DirecTV. Do you know the model of the Winegard antenna? What did the $149 installation include? Have you checked the signal strength for the OTA channels?
Thanks,
John

water1

Phoenix AZ HDTV

IOTP,

I'm in Gilbert and 15-1 hasn't really impressed me except for Monday Night Football. Try to catch it and see what you think.

PatrickM

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I did catch the monday night football the day I got it. Man, that does look great. I watched other HD on 15-1 and wasnt all too impressed. Sporting events definately look awesome.

I watched the DEN .vs. OAK on ESPNHD tonight and man, it looks like an XBOX game.

Thanks,
Jim

iotp

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Well, I just jumped on the bandwagon for HDTV. I have a Pioneer Elite PRO620HD for the monitor. I get my locals OTA, and use Directv for the rest of it. Yes, I do have the HD service with directv and I got the standard wingaurd from DirecTV for $149 installed.

During the initial install, directv got me an RCA DTC210. All channels came in but one 15-1, even though I live near Desert Ridge 25.6 miles north of south mountain. Near 101 Fwy & Tatum Blvd.

As life would have it I decided to keep the installation and go forward. Not having my HDTV on 15-1 was a loss I was willing to take.

I then that evening went out and purchased an HD-DVR. Hooked it up, and everything came in. This time, I even got 15-1.

Question is though, after watching HD for the last 2 weeks, it looks really great. EXCEPT, my 15-1 looks really washed out. The signal strength is good.

Anyone else see that 15-1 DT signal really sucks or is it my location?

Ideas comments?

iotp

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Sorry, let me be a bit more verbose:


I have a stand-alone RCA HD tuner which picks up OTA HD just fine, MOST of the time. I'm about 30 miles from South Mountain, which means I get some signal fade occasionally, especially since I'm only using little rabbit ears.

I'm also a Cox Premium subscriber, so I have full blown cable here as well.

I read earlier in the thread where people were referring to the following chart:

Quote:
Available with an integrated or stand-alone QAM capable receiver. Note: You must be a subscriber to at least basic cable service.
76-1 KSAZ-10 (FOX)
76-2 KASW-61 (WB)
79-1 KNXV-15 (ABC)
79-2 KPHO-5 (CBS)
82-1 KPNX-12 (NBC)
82-2 KAET-8 (PBS)
82-3 KAET-8 (PBS-Kids/PBS)
However, I'm unable to get my tuner to lock on any of those channels, connected directly to my cable connection.

OTA works fine, Cable does not.

I was hoping someone could confirm it was working but now doesn't, or does but you called Cox and they unfiltered.. or something.

Blammo_doh

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Unless someone can confirm otherwise, it appears COX no longer rebroadcasts the HD channels on the XX.X channels listed above, for those of us not wanting to rent a cox HD cable box.

I've been unsuccessful with a Mitsibishi HD tuner getting any of the ones listed in the posts above. I called Cox, whose answer was "you have to have our tuner"

Anyone confirm otherwise?

Blammo_doh

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Blammo_doh
Unless someone can confirm otherwise, it appears COX no longer rebroadcasts the HD channels on the XX.X channels listed above, for those of us not wanting to rent a cox HD cable box.

I've been unsuccessful with a Mitsibishi HD tuner getting any of the ones listed in the posts above. I called Cox, whose answer was "you have to have our tuner"

Anyone confirm otherwise?
I don't quite understand your question! Are you saying that you have a tuner within your television that will allow you pickup the hd locals or a external tuner that allows you to pickup the locals? You don't have to have the Cox tuner to pickup the locals in hd.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I was able to boost my FOX HD signal from 60% to 80%(hi) - 70%(low) by moving the OTA just a few inches to the North. That is, reaiming it a few inches to the North.

While I have a direct view to south mountain at that location, my FOX HD OTA feed was a mess and unwathcable with signal strength of 60%.

But with that slight adjustment the FOX HD feed is now fantastic and was able to watch the football game in it's entirety without any loss of signal.

My other Local OTA remain at about 90% both before and after the slight redeirction of the antennae.

Noobie, should have tried this a long time ago.

PhdWho

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I've been reading hundreds of posts on AVS forum related to my following questions but I wanted to get some local answers. It seems there are many versions of this box depending on your market area. Here goes:

1) If I connect the SA 8300HD recorder to to my Sony KDF-55XS955 TV via HDMI for the video and to my audio amp via the S/PDIF for audio, will I get DD 5.1 for the digital broadcasts? Any specific settings on the SA box?

2) Is there a passthrough option for the video via the HDMI so the TV will do the conversion? My understanding is that this is preferred to get the best PQ. Any specific settings on the SA box?

3) In the future, if I buy a DVD recorder (non-HDD type) with a HDMI output and component inputs, can I record to DVD disk from the SA box hard drive? Would it be a HD recording? How would the audio be fed to the DVD recorder since I will be using the S/PDIF SA box output to the audio amp. I would then like to play this recorded disk as well as rented/purchased DVD's through the 2nd HDMI input on the Sony TV. Would there be a conflict with the passthrough setup from question 2?

Whew!! I'm not even a techie!!!

jamokebob

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by SunDevilPilot1
Question for you guys, if I went to CC and got a Samsung SIR-T451 OTH Set top Box, and a decent antenna can I expect to be able to receive HD content in Mesa (Baseline and Higley) and watch it on my projector. I really want to watch 24 in HD.

Phil (Mesa, AZ)
Everyone's situation is different. A indoor antenna may or may not work for your location. I'm in Chandler off Alma School on QC and I'm using an indoor antenna connected to my tv that has an internal tuner. I'm able to pickup all of the local hd stations but I do have to fumble around with the antenna sometimes. I think it will all depend on how sensitive the Samsung tuner is. I would say to go pick one up and try it. But before you do, you can do a test . Take a indoor antenna and connect it to a tv in your home and see how well you can receive the analog stations. If you can receive fairly decently then you should be able to receive the digital versions. Once again, it is trial and error.

The local stations have their antennas on top of South Mountain. Try aiming your antenna in that general direction.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Question for you guys, if I went to CC and got a Samsung SIR-T451 OTH Set top Box, and a decent antenna can I expect to be able to receive HD content in Mesa (Baseline and Higley) and watch it on my projector. I really want to watch 24 in HD.

Phil (Mesa, AZ)

SunDevilPilot1

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by AFH
Marge was looking good as usual in hd.
She was on Letterman last night and on Regis this morning...excuse me while I wipe off all this drool..this is one lady that just keep getting better with age.

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Group,

Just moved to the area from Orlando and just got my antennas up on the house and the HD set top box online and was a little shocked to see that UPN45 and UPN18 are both showing Star Trek in Standard Def. Is this correct or is this a mistake for the night? Just curious to know cause I've gotten used to watching ST in HD and this kinda blows!

lombana

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Well, I guess the CBS affil has everything completed b/c I was able to watch CSI last night in hd. Marge was looking good as usual in hd.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Carlos_Salcedo
That might be the case as Seth said that they were not done with the upgrade until Friday...but it also helps that I am less than 5 miles from the South Mountain towers with an absolutely open/clean line of sight.

I don't know what my signal strength was as I never look at the meter.

I'm over 20 miles away and 5-1 seemed to have about the signal level as usual for me.

OTOH, 12-1 did something last night (I think it must have been a PSIP change) that caused one of my receivers to stop receiving until after I rescanned. The other receiver worked fin.

Mac The Knife

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by AFH
They were? I couldn't get them last using an OTA that is connected to my Mits tv. They must be operating at a lower power than before.
That might be the case as Seth said that they were not done with the upgrade until Friday...but it also helps that I am less than 5 miles from the South Mountain towers with an absolutely open/clean line of sight.

I don't know what my signal strength was as I never look at the meter.

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Carlos_Salcedo
They were for me...I recorded CSI - NY on my OTA Samsung T-165 with no glitches and 5.1 audio...
They were? I couldn't get them last using an OTA that is connected to my Mits tv. They must be operating at a lower power than before.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by PhdWho
I also find it odd, that many of these HD OTA channels are not broadcasting in 5.1. Like LOST for example. Came in OK last night, sound drop on during the commercials and sometimes when the show came back on after the commercials.
It's weird, but the ABC affil is the only hd station that has constant audio drop outs right before a show comes back from commercial break. It happened last night as you said during Lost, but it also happened during Alias and it has been happening since Desperate Housewives began in Sept. It's aggrevating b/c I'll be sitting there watching a commercial that has sound and all of a sudden you get no sound. Then the last commercial before the show starts comes on and you hear this loud scratchy/pop noise. They need to get that fixed b/c it is a issue with our ABC affil's equipment.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by kjd2121
They weren't on last night...
They were for me...I recorded CSI - NY on my OTA Samsung T-165 with no glitches and 5.1 audio...

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
They are already back online during prime time and should be finished with the daytime work on Thurs or Friday...
They weren't on last night...

kjd2121

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I have a Winegard and the Samsung HD Unit sold by Direct TV.

OTA Fox, is perhaps my worst experience.

The sound constantly goes and and it's luck to flicker back in.

I will try to re-aim my antennae a bit more towards the South Mountain towers.

I also find it odd, that many of these HD OTA channels are not broadcasting in 5.1. Like LOST for example. Came in OK last night, sound drop on during the commercials and sometimes when the show came back on after the commercials.

I have yet to watch a Football game on FOX HD since I started with Direct about 6 weeks ago.

PhdWho

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by AFH
Seth's quote said back they'll be back in time for the divisional playoffs. If Jan 20th is the date they plan to finish we'll only be able to see the AFC championship game, not the divisional games. The Jan 20th date comes from a earlier post.
They are already back online during prime time and should be finished with the daytime work on Thurs or Friday...

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Carlos_Salcedo
They had an FCC permit for the upgrade and the deadline was this week only...

Here's Seth's explanation...
Seth's quote said back they'll be back in time for the divisional playoffs. If Jan 20th is the date they plan to finish we'll only be able to see the AFC championship game, not the divisional games. The Jan 20th date comes from a earlier post.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jgriffaz
Why in the name of God would they choose NOW to do the upgrade?
They had an FCC permit for the upgrade and the deadline was this week only...

Here's Seth's explanation...

Quote:
There痴 never a good time to do this kind of thing, and it has to be done on a schedule because the FCC issues Construction Permits for upgrades of this magnitude and they have expiration dates, meaning that the work has to be completed before the permit expires. We値l be back in action in time for the Divisional Playoffs.

Seth Parker
Program Director
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CBS5 News
"Your Valley News Station"

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

How odd - I posted a reply to jgriffaz's 12:26p post and yet my post/reply was time stamped with an earlier time and also posted ahead of jgriffaz's.

ESPn?

LarryInAz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Why in the name of God would they choose NOW to do the upgrade?

jgriffaz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I saw the post about CBS 5.1 being down - I tried to record CSI on Thursday and didn't get anything. I saw it was down today - any chance of it being up for the playoff game tomorrow?

rsingleton

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by rsingleton
I saw the post about CBS 5.1 being down - I tried to record CSI on Thursday and didn't get anything. I saw it was down today - any chance of it being up for the playoff game tomorrow?
I'm not getting a signal on 5.1 at the start of today's Colts v Broncos game guess we'll have to watch it the game in SD - Yuk!

It's a shame we Directv users can't complain and get them to enable the West Coast CBS HD feed.

LarryInAz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jgriffaz
Why in the name of God would they choose NOW to do the upgrade?
I agree - why could they have not waited a few more weeks after the NFL post season was over? Stoopid Stoopid Stupid!

LarryInAz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

With the apparent demise of the Arizona and Phoenix HDTV boards, is this THE place to be for reception info, etc?

Thanks,
Tom in Mesa

Tommie

Phoenix AZ HDTV

No playoff football on CBS HD? All I see on 705 is a message saying KPHO HD is down for upgrades?

jgriffaz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I just got a Sasem OnAir HD a couple of days ago and one of the interesting things I noticed about KPHO (before it went off the air) is that Sasem indicates it as 1080p (yes I intentinally typed 1080p not 1080i).

Fox and ABC are properly detected as 720p while NBC and PBS are properly detected as 1080i.

IIRC, ATSC does not support 1080p60, so I'm not sure what the Sasem means by 1080p. Does ATSC support 1080p24 or 1080p30?

Mac The Knife

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Mac The Knife
I just got a Sasem OnAir HD a couple of days ago and one of the interesting things I noticed about KPHO (before it went off the air) is that Sasem indicates it as 1080p (yes I intentinally typed 1080p not 1080i).
I have recorded enough stuff from KPHO to verify that it is 1080i and NOT 1080p...there must be some sort of glitch that it marks it as such.

I hope the new additions that KPHO are working on will not degrade their excellent signal. They are by far the cleanest OTA (and cable) 1080i signal in the Valley. If they can only get 5.1 on all primetime shows and I will be very happy.

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
If they can only get 5.1 on all primetime shows and I will be very happy.
Sorry Carlos, at the moment CBS is only offering 5.1 on the three CSIs and "selected" sports programming. It's sort of a test pushing Metadata down the feed with the HD Stream. If there is enough support, I'm sure they'll ask as many of their Program Providers as they can to try 5.1.

West Avra Wiz

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by DoubleDAZ
The generally install the SA3250HD without DVR, it is $10/mo. The SA8300HD with DVR is $15 plus $5 for the recording service, $20 total. Do not let thme give you an SA3100HD if you go without DVR and do not let them give you an SA8000HD if you go with DVR. You want either the 3250 or 8300.
Thanks DoubleDAZ... according to this spec sheet:
http://www.sciatl.com/customers/Source/4005304.pdf

the 3250HD has "optional" DVI and Firewire outputs. Does Cox support either of these, or do they go the usual YPbPr route? Since the HDTV monitor does not support CableCard, I would prefer the DVI connection over the YPbPr, if Cox provides it.

Pariah69

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by DoubleDAZ
The generally install the SA3250HD without DVR, it is $10/mo. The SA8300HD with DVR is $15 plus $5 for the recording service, $20 total. Do not let thme give you an SA3100HD if you go without DVR and do not let them give you an SA8000HD if you go with DVR. You want either the 3250 or 8300.
Just curious, what are the pros and cons that make you recommend those models over the others?

If I pull the trigger, I will probably go down to one of Cox's counter locations to turn in the digital STB and pick up the HD, so maybe I can make sure I get the one you suggest.

Vogon Poet

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jamokebob
I also like to know if any one is using the TV Guide on screen with COX Cable.
I use it every day when I set up my HD-DVR for archiving. It works great to change the channel in case I have forgotten.

Carlos_Salcedo

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Thanks for your input. I also called COX and received the same spiel. Actually, COX is raising their box rental rate in February so it may be even a better deal. I also like to know if any one is using the TV Guide on screen with COX Cable.

The card may be too new to the Phoenix Cox market so I may become the trailblazer. OH NO!!!

jamokebob

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Sorry not me, heck i've never even heard about it.

mkbean

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jamokebob
I'll assume nobody has experience with the above and I'm on my own!
I inquired about CableCard with Cox and they gave me the usual "I wouldn't recommend it" spiel. Which tells you that it's probably a good thing. But they said you couldn't do PPV or get the On-Screen Guide... and also said it doesn't work with all TVs. But it's $2 monthly vs $10 for the HD STB... I can live without the STB for that price. I think most TVs these days are compatible with "TV Guide On Screen", which would substitute for the Cableco's on-screen info. Can anyone confirm this?

I haven't seen CableCard in action though, so I can't confirm better picture quality. But by all accounts, most ATSC tuners in HDTVs are superior to STBs, and there's fewer analog-to-digital conversions for the signal to go through.

Pariah69

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jamokebob
I'll be receiving my new Sony KDF-55XS955 projection TV soon. Does anyone have experience with both the Cox HD box and the Cablecard? I do understand that with the CableCard I lose pay per view and the Cox channel guide. Oh well.

I've heard in other markets that the CableCard gives you a much better picture since the TV handles all the conversions, not the box. I also heard that it is hit and miss to get a perfect CableCard the first time. Anyone with actual Cox Cablecard experience in the valley?
I'll assume nobody has experience with the above and I'm on my own!

jamokebob

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I would recommend getting their HD DVR (8300) which is the exact same price as the standard digital tv DVR (8000).

If you are savy enough there really should be no need to have cox come out there and turn it on. All you will need to know is where to plug things in.


mkbean

mkbean

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by mkbean
I would recommend getting their HD DVR (8300) which is the exact same price as the standard digital tv DVR (8000).

If you are savy enough there really should be no need to have cox come out there and turn it on. All you will need to know is where to plug things in.


mkbean
Thanks for the response, mkbean. The only reason for a Cox install is since I believe it's free with a website code... Like most parents, mine are not the most savvy HD installers , so it may come in handy. Don't they need to activate the new services on the box, in any case?

What box do they install for HD service without DVR? What is the monthly price difference with and without?

Pariah69

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Hello all

I am remotely coordinating my parents' move into the world of HDTV

Their new Sony 34XBR910 is to be delivered this week, and I am trying to arrange Cox to come and install HD service... I want to know what to expect. They receive "standard" digital cable now.

From what I can gather, the Cox HD upgrade will install the SA8000-HD box, for an additional $5/month over their existing box (no Discovery HD). I believe I can get the "professional install" charge down to $5 using a website code. Are there other options available, e.g. HD DVRs, or alternate boxes with DVI inputs? If so, what are the costs involved? (I defy anyone to determine what Cox is charging from the information on their website )

Also, will Cox handle the existing connections & I/O on the TV, like the DVD, and stereo outputs? This is a 200 lb TV that is being installed into a recess in the wall that's "just big enough". I don't want to force my parents to have to access the back of the TV for anything... look out below!

I appreciate any feedback from anyone familiar with Cox's service!

Pariah69

Phoenix AZ HDTV

I'll be receiving my new Sony KDF-55XS955 projection TV soon. Does anyone have experience with both the Cox HD box and the Cablecard? I do understand that with the CableCard I lose pay per view and the Cox channel guide. Oh well.

I've heard in other markets that the CableCard gives you a much better picture since the TV handles all the conversions, not the box. I also heard that it is hit and miss to get a perfect CableCard the first time. Anyone with actual Cox Cablecard experience in the valley?

jamokebob

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Vogon Poet
Do the HD STBs from cox replace the digital cable STB or do you have both hooked up?


Yes, the hd stbs replace the digital cable stb and you do not need two of them.



Quote:
Originally posted by Vogon Poet
Can a sd crt tv be hooked up to the box for viewing regular channels, while our projector wouold be hooked up for HDTV?
I'm not sure on this one but check with Cox to make sure. I believe that you can connect a s-video cable from the hd stb to the sd crt and watch standard channels. I also believe that at the same time you can run a component cable from the hd stb to the projector. However, in order to watch one format or the other, you'll have to go into the stb menu and change the resolution setting to 480i for the sd crt and 480p/720p/1080i for the projector. That means that you couldn't have the a program on the sd crt and the projector at the same time b/c of the resolution issue.



Quote:
Originally posted by Vogon Poet
If so, can the dvr that Cox offers be used for both HD and SD recording?
Yes the dvr can record sd and hd. As stated above in the previous statement, the resolution issue may stop you from watching the stb on the sd crt and the projector at the same time.

AFH

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Thanks.

That helped a lot.

Vogon Poet

Phoenix AZ HDTV

Hey Dave,

What would be the correct order to do all of this stuff?

Thanks again

mkbean

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