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Updated: 2008-05-23 09:31:58 (2400)
Wichita KS HDTV

Hello all,
May 1 2002 is soon approching so I figured I would start a thread about our locals going digital.

I just got off of the phone with the engineer from the local WB station KWCV Digital CH. 31 and it looks like they WILL be broadcasting in Digital starting May 1. It will just be upconverted from 480I to 480P at first but it should be an improvement from the cable or OTA anaolog signal. It is too bad the WB doesn't have any HDTV programming yet. He did say they would go on full power for the first couple of months.

I think all of the rest of the stations filed for an extension except KPTS the PBS affiliate which doesn't have to be ready until next year anyway.

I think the next station to go digital will be KAKE the ABC affiliate on digital CH. 21 last I heard they were shooting for early spring. I have a call in to their head engineer and will post back when I hear something.

If anybody wants to read all of the extension requests they can be found here on the form just select service as digital TV select CP extension under application type and put KS for Kansas in the state box.

APPLICATION SEARCH HERE


I also have links to maps of where all of the towers will be located. It looks like they were all smart enough to put them in the same general direction from Wichita- NW. It looks like KWCH will have the furthest tower about 40 miles from Wichita but that still shouldn't be a problem. Here are the links.

KAKE ABC Digital CH. 21 digital tower link

KSAS FOX Digital CH. 26 Digital tower link

KWCV WB Digital CH. 31 Digital tower link

KSNW NBC Digital CH. 45 Digital tower link

KWCH CBS Digital CH. 19 Digital tower link

KPTS PBS Digital CH. 29 Digital tower link

KSCC UPN Digital CH. 35 Digital tower link

It looks like all of the extensions that were filed by our locals were granted so let's hope they are all online by 11/01/2002.

If anybody wants to call some other stations or has anything to add feel free to post it here. Maybe if there are enough people in Wichita we can get a newsletter going or something.


Thanks
Kevin C.

Answers: Wichita KS HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Wichita KS HDTV

Besides the gray vs. blacks bars in determining if you're watching a "straight" HDTV feed from the network or a local station upconversion, your ears can also tell by the type of audio feed you're receiving as well.

For example, on both KSAS (Fox) and KAKE (ABC), whenever they're passing the network HD feed, the audio is ALWAYS Dolby Digital 5.1, even if the show happens to be fed in Dolby Digital 2.0. KWCH and KSNW have to turn on the Dolby 5.1 audio, which has we all know has been a problem in the past for KWCH, in particular.

So, just to reiterate for KAKE and KSAS: Dolby Digital 5.1 audio ON=Network HD Feed pass through; Dolby 2.0 ON=Local station network upconversion...

schick81

Wichita KS HDTV

This is probably the wrong forum for this but I wanted local experience if it's available. I bought a Mistubishi HDTV about a year ago - poor picture quality with Cox standard cable. I tried Cox digital cable for a couple months and digital channels were much better but the "standard" non-digital channels actually looked worse than basic cable. Thinking digitial signal was the answer, I had Dish satellite installed. Picture quality was fine on standard TV's but the HDTV was worse than standard cable - about the same as non-digital channels when I had digital cable. Dish blamed my TV and I read lots of things about poor picture quality with Dish (too late) but ended up having the system removed. The HD channels looked good for both digital cable and satellite.

Anyone had any experience of DirecTV vs Dish to know if it might work out any better?
Thanks.

planestress

Wichita KS HDTV

Check the Mits tweak section of the forums.Popular Threads..or have it calibrated....SD will never though look as good as HD...Thats why in the future this is where we are going.

G.B.

Wichita KS HDTV

Also realize that good displays tend to show all the faults of poor signals.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

You hit it on the head...never has television had so many signals....inputs & timings as we do today....

G.B.

Wichita KS HDTV

Greetings,

The below quote was posted on January 18, 2005. I have cox and get the "free" hd of Cox, ABC, KPTS, and no others. I checked this evening and don't pick up any other HD channels on Cox. I was just wondering if anyone could comment on the accuracy of this report. It doesn't seem that it happened today, but is it really scheduled to happen?

Carl


Good News!

Effective Feb 15, DiscoveryHD will be moved to Cox's "Free HD Tier" along with ESPNHD, iNHD1 and iNHD2. I have found myself watching this channel quite often. One of the best HD channels IMHO.

__________________
Vern

doodah

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by doodah
Greetings,

The below quote was posted on January 18, 2005. I have cox and get the "free" hd of Cox, ABC, KPTS, and no others. I checked this evening and don't pick up any other HD channels on Cox. I was just wondering if anyone could comment on the accuracy of this report. It doesn't seem that it happened today, but is it really scheduled to happen?

Carl
Make sure you call Cox and have them activate the box if you haven't already done it. The channels are there.

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

I have (own) an LST-4200 STB which gets the few unscrambled Cox HD channels, as well as OTA hd. I didn't think activiation would be required, or even be possible. I don't have an "HD" account with cox, just their analog service plus tier that gives me 69 analog channels, including HBO. With this, I get some unscrambled digital HD broadcasts, as indicated in my prior post. I interpreted the prior post to mean Discover, ESPN would be added to the unscrambled hd tier that I could get. Just wondering.

Carl

doodah

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by doodah
I have (own) an LST-4200 STB which gets the few unscrambled Cox HD channels, as well as OTA hd. I didn't think activiation would be required, or even be possible. I don't have an "HD" account with cox, just their analog service plus tier that gives me 69 analog channels, including HBO. With this, I get some unscrambled digital HD broadcasts, as indicated in my prior post. I interpreted the prior post to mean Discover, ESPN would be added to the unscrambled hd tier that I could get. Just wondering.

Carl
If you don't mind, could you list the channels you get unscrambled?

As far as I know, when they say free, they basically mean you do not have to pay extra for it like you would starz. If you have a Cox box, they you will get them. Only the local HD channels will come through with your box.

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

The unscrambled digital channels that I get over Cox are indemand, seasonpass, Fox, ABC, KPTS (2 channels) and about 60 audio channels. OTA I get NBC, ABC, CBS, KPTS, Fox in HD and UPN and ??? can't recall the other one or two, in SD. I find I watch the first 5 OTA the most. I really like the HD concerts they have broadcast on KPTS on Saturday nights at about 9:00. The other digital channels on Cox show up as scrambled on my box.

Carl

doodah

Wichita KS HDTV

Do you get InHD? or an indemand channel? Is it HD?

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

The channel comes up as 90-2. It is standard digital InDemand - Pay Per View. I havent tried to watch anything on it. It's not in HD.

doodah

Wichita KS HDTV

Article in the Wichita Eagel today said that WB and UPN OTA are HD now, but that's not right, is it? I'm getting just SD on those channels.

Carl

doodah

Wichita KS HDTV

There was plenty of misleading information in the Eagle article. The article should have stated that all local networks are currently broadcasting digital OTA. Digital however does not necessary mean HD. WB and UPN are currently broadcasting digital OTA but not HD.

The article also states that Cox carries 11 HD channels including 4 premium movie channels. WRONG, Cox only carries 10 HD channels including 3 premium movie channels. Maybe Bob has some inside info on an additional channel being added in the future but I doubt it.

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

Vern's got it right, the Eagle was all over the place. But we have the FCC to thank for not sticking to one format resolution (1080 or 720), and for mandating the same modulation scheme for OTA and cable, so you have to have to 2 tuners to get both, and no matter what you can't have every channel in native resolution (unless you buy a monitor for each resolution).

UPN Kansas is SD until we can slide enough money from the budget to pay for the upgrade. Marty from WB was quoted earlier in this thread about his plans. At least the WB part was corrected by their GM later in the article.

It's a hard thing to explain to normal people.
At least the article might make more people get out and buy HD sets, so the price keeps dropping, and we might have some hope of shutting down our analogs before 2015.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon - I know this issue has been discussed in the past but I wanted to ask about getting rid of the grey bars with SD material.

Right now you have large grey bars with a thin black bar... so the grey bars aren't saving any TVs right now. Plus having 2 different bars is really distracting.

Thanks for you time!

klemsaba

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Jon@KSAS/KSCC
Vern's got it right, the Eagle was all over the place. But we have the FCC to thank for not sticking to one format resolution (1080 or 720), and for mandating the same modulation scheme for OTA and cable, so you have to have to 2 tuners to get both, and no matter what you can't have every channel in native resolution (unless you buy a monitor for each resolution).

jon
Actually, if someone would make a 720p analog set, 720p and 1080i could be native, but the digital sets seem to be the trend now. I'll admit they do have advantages (I do like my DLP projector), but they'll always be stuck with one native res.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

BTW, it appears NBC (3-1) is only transmitting SD right now. Is everyone else seeing the same thing? If so, anyone know when they will be transmitting HD again?

Thanks,
Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

I've noticed that also. I don't watch any NBC shows since Friends ended, so I didn't bother to post.

lakaw

Wichita KS HDTV

Klemsaba-

We're going to wait for a bit to take down the grey bars. I could have gone either way, but my boss decided for us.

Our operators know to look for them when in prime, and I use them for checks when at home. If I flip it to Fox during prime or Fox coverage and see grey bars, I grab the phone and find out what's going on.

If the bars were black, I wouldn't know if I'm watching a 4x3 show from Fox, or if the splicer didn't switch and is stuck on our upconversion.

They don't bother me when I'm watching, the only time they come up and down is when we do a local break during network programming, otherwise they are up solid. But we humans are all different, and I respect your irritation.

We will take them down eventually, once the splicer and everything has settled down for awhile. We all agree that it looks better with them black.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

===KSNW which is owned by Emmis wont allow KSNW on Cox Cable Update=====

The Cox cable regional manage meet in Omaha with a Emmis Manager.

Emmis is still demanding to be paid for there over the air signal that is free.
Emmis is also still planning on dropping to 480P and starting there new USDTV service.

http://www.usdtv.com/

In the meeting the Emmis manager said that ALL station managers will be meeting in March to talk about the HD on Cable issue.

Folks, your Emails to the stations are working keep emailing and calling your Emmis station.

ScottChez

Wichita KS HDTV

According to recent filings, this is what the channel map will look like after 2007.

KSNW 3 (45)
KPTS 8 (8)
KAKE 10 (10)
KWCH 12 (12)
KSAS 24 (26)
KWCV 33 (31)
KSCC 36 (35)

As you can see, everyone with a high vhf channel will revert back to that. So you will indeed require a VHF and a UHF (or VHF/UHF combo) antenna after the switchover.

FCC filings Click "Application List" then "BFRECT".

gfgray

Wichita KS HDTV

I received this from KSN today regarding the HD being out at KSN.

Jason,

I do not know the delivery date, but our Chief Engineer says he has
ordered the Up Converter that broke. It has been on order about a
week.

Betty Erickson
KSN Programming

jasonb

Wichita KS HDTV

Noticed 12-2 in my guide a couple of nights ago. Looks like a KWCH weather channel. I don't know if it's 24 hrs, but it's on everytime I've tuned in.

lakaw

Wichita KS HDTV

lakaw, I noticed it too. OKC already has 3 stations broadcasting 24 hour weather and/or radar. Very handy.

gfgray

Wichita KS HDTV

Yes, I have told them on our forum that, why do we need that many weather on the extra channels http://www.hdtvok.com does Kansas have a web sight like this ? Some have told them to not use the extra & use the full bandwidth for H D ...

G.B.

Wichita KS HDTV

What sucks is that they are taking bandwidth from the HD channels. Anyone that had DirecTV when they started putting 2 channels on 1 transponder knows how bad that sucks. DirecTV's HD channels aren't much better than a good DVD now.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Yes , this is true....Do you have a H D web for Kansas ?

G.B.

Wichita KS HDTV

Is there any news on KSNW broadcasting in HD? Just this week I started receiving this station up here in Salina, but everything appears to be 480p.

I have heard two possible reasons that they aren't broadcasting HD. One is that Emmis is going to start their USDTV service. I can't imagine Wichita being one of the early stations to get this service. The other reason some problems with an up-converter or something discussed back in a March 2nd post. Hopefully the latter is the reason.

Anyone have an update?

Thanks,
Jeff

jeffdb27

Wichita KS HDTV

Jeff:

Pretty sure it's still a technical problem with hardware on their side.

I can't fathom a USDTV service here that would involve them being that they have proven to be rather tech-challenged and far from the forefront in HD capability and know how. I'd expect the USDTV to be available in Mayberry, Pixley, and Petticoat Junction long before it gets here. I still think Sara runs the phones at KSN, and I am sure I have seen their people climbing the poles to pick up the incoming calls there.

dresf

Wichita KS HDTV

Man the grammy's were looking so good until they took off the hdtv prolly so they can show the freaking cancellations. What about all those cbs commercials. Kinda cool. Just wish I could see college ball in HDTV...well At least ku games....

Hessman

Hessman

Wichita KS HDTV

Another quick question...has anybody noticed a difference in the sound on channel 19-1? It shows that it is in DD 5.1, but I can't get any sound from my center channel. Every other station sounds fine.

chrisb25

Wichita KS HDTV

I have been having that same problem. Kinda like everything is kinda echoing. I thought I might of had a loose wire on my receiver or something. Not for sure what the deal is..

Hessman

Hessman

Wichita KS HDTV

The Director of Engineering at KWCH (19-1) is Don Vest, dvest@kwch.com

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

CBS always broadcasts DD5.1, but most of the time there is only audio on the front l/r channels. When they show something that has full 5.1 encoding, you get sound from all 6 channels (like movies shown in HD). I think it's been that way since they started broadcasting.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Response from Don Vest:

CBS is only transmitting in 2 channels on the HDTV. They plan to update to
> 5.1 this year.

Also, if you have an attic mounted antenna, does it have to be grounded?

chrisb25

Wichita KS HDTV

Did you guys see that Cox in Oklahoma City is now offering HDTV. They are making you buy the box though, but still, it makes me think it will come here in not too long.

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Timmy, Cox coming online in OKC is certainly a good sign. Making the customer buy the decoder box is certainly one way to minimize their investment. As long as they use standard cable boxes, which a person could buy and sell just like any other HD receiver, I don't have a problem with it. I'd prefer to choose my own STB anyway since I might want something different than the cable company is providing. I wonder if they are requiring a particular make and model of cable box? Even that wouldn't be bad, so long as it's a good box and they are selling it directly at somewhere near their cost, and not trying to make a big profit from it.

Chris, I'd suggest that an attic antenna should be grounded. HOW to ground it is another story. I grounded mine to the cold water pipe where it enters my house, but not every "expert" source likes this idea. If you have a grounding rod already, such as for cable or DirecTV, it'd be pretty safe to add your ground to that. In my reading there was a lot of talk about having a SINGLE ground. Since my antenna is at the other end of the house from the existing ground rod, I was originally going to drive a second grounding rod, but everything I read said this would be a bad idea. I'm not sure the water pipe is any better idea, but the fact is, there seemed to be about as many opinions on the subject as sources.

One other point. The grounding rod should be driven quite deep into the ground. I think sometimes the cable company uses a rather shorter grounding rod than the more conservative recommendations. Unfortunately, short of pulling it out of the ground, there's no way to know how long it is.

There are probably threads in this forum dedicated to antenna grounding.

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

I wonder why the HDTV launch schedule for Cox Cable has to be such a secret. I've emailed them a couple of times, and they just respond by cutting and pasting the blurb from the web site.

"...Cox has not released a specific system-by-system launch schedule at this time, but we will keep you informed about exciting new offerings in your area."

I know that I'm just frustrated by my own impatience, but, damn, I know they have a tentative date for Wichita. Why can't they just keep me informed about that?

I've just read all about the HD service available in OKC. It looks like they are not renting the STBs, the customer has to purchase one from an authorized dealer for $500. I'd be OK with that. I'd rather rent one, but I understand the need to keep their initial investment down.

Anyway, I'll stop whining now. I've been waiting (im)patiently, because I really believe that receiving my HD broadcasts over cable is ultimately the best way to go for me.

Regards. Jay.

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by XRay
I've been waiting (im)patiently, because I really believe that receiving my HD broadcasts over cable is ultimately the best way to go for me.

Regards. Jay.
As it is for me as I cannot get any OTA HDTV. I hope Cox get it in gear.

tim

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Here's the response I received to my most recent email re:HDTV. Thanks, Marty!

Quote:
Dear Mr. Forbes:

Thank you for your inquiry.

At this time we do not have a tentative date as to when we will be
launching the HDTV. You will be notified by mail as soon as this
becomes available.

We hope that we have been able to provide you with the information you
requested. If we have not, or if we can be of any additional service
to you, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Regards,

Marty
The E-Care Team
Cox Communications, Kansas

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

I called COX to ask when they plan on offering HDTV. I spoke with a "customer care representative". In a nutshell the answer was "end of this year", but the reason for the delay was interesting. COX is waiting for all local stations to offer HD. I pointed out that ABC,CBS,NBS,FOX,WB, and UPN already are broadcasting in digital. The clever reply was that COX was also offering digital service. The rep pointed out that not all of these stations were offering High Definition. I said "you can't be waiting on FOX because they aren't offering HD ANYWHERE, and the only other station not offering anything in HD is UPN, and they will be this fall." He said "FOX will be offering High Definition by 2006." I guess that gives COX until 2006 to offer HD. The only other thing of note was that he confirmed COX is ready in terms of their infrastructure. In other words, they could offer it now, they are simply making a business decision not to.

The other "interesting" thing was their voicemail system which, after pressing 1 for English, says "I'm sorry, I was unable to find a Social Security Number or PIN...". I asked the customer care rep about that and he said I don't have a SSN on file. I asked how to fix that and he said "come down to the main office and bring your social security card".

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

I,m new here here does anyone here familiar with a Samsung TS-T151 receiver and if they have had any problem with get channels I am only able to get 19-1 and 45-1 and not able to get any other channels I have an outside antenna, I can get a sinal from fox but it still shows up a black screen

BRETSTER71

Wichita KS HDTV

David, that just sucks. I'm trying not to whine too much about it, because I really have no control over this situation at all.

It's just this attitude from COX that everyone in the community is clueless about HDTV until they choose to unveil this 'fantastic new service' at some future super-double-top-secret date that, frankly, pisses me off.

I know that the majority of people in this area haven't even begun to think about HDTV. (Maybe that's a failure of Cox's marketing division). However, when I make a specific request for information, I think they should be a little more forthcoming. You know, if it's a business decision that they've made (and I'm sure it is), then fine, just tell me. I'm not an idiot. If a reasonably informed person at COX would tell me, "You know what, we don't think the market in this area can support HDTV right now.", I'd feel a lot better about waiting.

Sorry, I try not to get on personal rants on these boards, I just needed to vent a little.

Regards. Jay.

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

Jay,

FWIW, I agree 100%, but then I suspect everyone who comes here would agree with you. The reason given was, I suspect, calculated to appeas the ignorant. It sounds plausible to those who don't know you can put up a $2.99 antenna and pick up SIX local digital stations, FOUR of which offer at least SOME programming in High Definition.

If I get the urge, I may call and try to talk to someone besides "customer service," but to be honest, other than doing this as a public service, I personally don't care if COX looses market share or not. At this point, HD cable wouldn't offer me anything I don't already have with DirecTV and an OTA antenna. In other words, unless I just feel like my blood pressure is too low, I think I'll leave this "an exercise for the reader."

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Hello Everyone,

I would like to report which DTV stations can be received in the city of McPherson and what gear I use.

I have the RS VU-60 with a 20db gain preamp at 25 ft feeding a Hughes E86 receiver. This antenna provides Digital signal readings in the mid 90's
for KWCH,KSAS,KWCV and KSCC. I can't receive KAKE's digital at the current ERP level (Hopefully they will go to full power soon!). The overall quality is great for the OTA channels I can receive! I found some info about KSNW that indicated they are running 3 KW which would provide a very small coverage area. Can anybody receive them?

Regards,
Chance

Chance C.

Wichita KS HDTV

David:
Try calling headquarters and ask for Don Karell. If you want, I can give you his direct line, just PM me. I really don't want to put it out in the open. He is the VP of Cox Kansas.

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Chance,

I was under the impression that KAKE (21-1, 10-1) was at full power. I don't believe I have ever had a problem with KAKE. They really have their act together. Getting KSNW (45-1, 3-1) has been a challenge from time to time. KWCH (19-1, 12-1) has been pretty consistantly good, just a little lower in signal than the other Wichita stations.

As a by-the-way, I haven't had any problems with sound on WB lately so whatever my problem was has quietly gone away.

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Hi David,

I found the data on the FCC site. There are two entrys and one of them does say 1000 KW. The other entry says 87 KW with the antenna azimuth set at 65 degrees which would be pointed right into Wichita, away from McPherson (Why they did this I have no idea when the other stations are 0 degrees making them Omni directional). See this link...

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=KAKE-TV

Keep in mind I'm not a stones throw away for the towers like most of the people on this forum. My path is 42 miles to the Colwich site which makes using outside antennas to maintain any kind of fade margin.So I performed some tests with my IFR 120B Spec An to see the field strengths of each station. Measurments taken at the end of the coax pigtail.

Ch 19 KWCH -68dBm
Ch 21 KAKE -98dBm
Ch 26 KSAS -71dBm
Ch 31 KWCV -64dBm
Ch 35 KSCC -65dBm

As you can see Ch 21 KAKE is approximately 30 dB down compared to the other stations in the same location. This led me to believe they are running low power. Dave, can you describe your Channel Master UHF antenna. Is it one of those BIG grid type antennas they made back in the 60's-70's?

Regards,
Chance

Chance C.

Wichita KS HDTV

Chance,

The fact that you are so far away and on the opposite side of the towers from those of us in Wichita makes it a whole new ballgame for you. I have it super easy since I'm only a stones throw from most of the towers. As I've said before, I can pick up four of the stations with a Radio Shack bowtie, which is little more than a coat hanger.

My antenna is a Channel Master 4-way bowtie/screen antenna. It's not terribly large, and doesn't need to be for my location.

Thanks for sharing. Your input is a valuable addition to this thread.

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Chance,

I am on the East side of Wichita, and can get all channels except KSNW. I had KSNW for one evening out of the last two weeks. I sent a note to Dave Rickels, their tech, on 2/24 and he said:

"KSN's DTV transmitter is not operating correctly at present.
The factory is working on the problem, I'm not sure when they will
have a fix for it."

I haven't heard back if they have fixed the problem or not.

chrisb25

Wichita KS HDTV

Alright guys, I've made it into my new house (was in an apartment). I can get all 6 stations now with my RS double bowtie, even 3-1! Woohoo! I'm still on the east side of Wichita, about 1 mile south of my old apartment. The amazing thing is that my family room is 3 feet below ground level (the house is a quad), so my antenna on top the the entertainment center is only 3 or 4 feet above ground level.

I was surprised it works even better than before (apartment was at ground level). I guess getting away from all the large apartment buildings helped a lot.

BRETSTER71:

I have the TS-160 which is also a Samsung. What type of antenna do you have? Not all outdoor antenna's work well for DTV. The newer style multi-directional antennas are the worst. The one Haysdb has is one of the best. A good multi-bowtie UHF only antenna is a very good choice.

Check your connections and tweak the antenna direction (if it's directional). Also be sure to do a channel rescan.

Chance:

KSNW is the only station transmitting at low power levels. For those of us on the east side of Wichita, CBS (12-1) is a little hard to receive also since their tower is in Hutch.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Thanks Talon I have just a cheap Radio Shack antenna, one day I can get 12 & 3 the next I can't, I extened my antenna to 8' above my house trying to get better reception, but I'm beginning to thank about moving it because I have power lines 50' away do you thank that could cause reception problems

BRETSTER71

Wichita KS HDTV

Hi Everybody, great thread,

My name is Bob and I am writing from Salina, KS, which is about 70 miles North of the Wichita TV towers (KAKE 10-1, FOX 24-1, KSNW 3-1 and WB KSCV 33-1). The UPN tower (KSCC 36-1) is about 60 miles away, and I am nearly 50 miles away from the Hutchinson towers (KWCH 19-1 and KPTS 29-1).

I am using a ChannelMaster 4248 long range 'UHF-only' yagi antenna, with a ChannelMaster 7775 pre-amplifier. I am getting good, constant reception on KWCH, WB, and UPN 99 plus % of the time, with a signal strength of 80-90.

I get FOX about 60-70% of the time, but I get pixelization and dropouts too much of the time to make it watchable. Since I am picking up WB consistently, and the two towers are near each other, I presume (FOX is not too good about answering e-mails) that FOX is running lower transmit power and/or lower antenna height. Some of their transmissions are in Hi Def Widescreen, however, such as "24", "Fast Lane", and "John Doe".

I have only seen KAKE & KSNW briefly, on a few occasions. Return e-mail from KAKE says "current transmit antenna is already near the top of the tower at 930 feet, but the current effective radiated power is only 87,000 watts." KSNW says that it is ?operating its DTV transmitter at only 1,000-watts, but expects to have a high power transmitter up and running by the end of this year.?

As far as I know, KPTS has not yet began to broadcast a DTV signal yet.

All the stations that have replied via e-mail have been a little surprised that I can receive their stations at all from this distance. I just hope that my reception of KAKE & KSNW will improve shortly, if/when they raise their transmit power.

Just thought I'd add a little to the thread,

Bob
(Hatachi 57XWX20B)

bobfs

Wichita KS HDTV

Bob,
Try channel 17 for Fox. That is the same as 24 in Wichita and 17 comes from north of Salina. I know a guy south of Manhattan getting 17 very good.

tim

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Hi timmy1376,

Thank you for your suggestion. Actually, KAAS-DT, ch. 17-1, was the very first DTV signal I received on my TV when I ran a scan with a RS bowtie antenna. The main reason that I'm holding out hope for the Wichita is that they recently started broadcasting in 1080i format, sometimes in Widescreen. The Salina tower is still broadcasting in 480i.

Also, my antenna (4248) is so directional that when it's pointed south toward Wichita, I can't pick up the Salina KAAS tower. Besides, I also have HDTVless (at least so far) Cox Cable. FOX is on cable channel 4.

Maybe, before too long, COX will begin HDTV transmissions.

On another note, I wish that there was a way to manually tune DVT channels on my 57XWX20B without having run a new scan every time to find new channels.

Thanks again,

Bob

bobfs

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by bobfs
Hi timmy1376,

Thank you for your suggestion. Actually, KAAS-DT, ch. 17-1, was the very first DTV signal I received on my TV when I ran a scan with a RS bowtie antenna. The main reason that I'm holding out hope for the Wichita is that they recently started broadcasting in 1080i format, sometimes in Widescreen. The Salina tower is still broadcasting in 480i.
Thanks again,

Bob
Are you sure they are doing 1080i? I know all the fox stuff is 480p, no 1080i, but perhaps KSAS is upconverting. I thought that they were going to try to get the KAAS sending out widescreen, but I may be wrong.

tim

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Yes, I'm 99.9% positive. My TV has a readout of the format being sent. Up until about three weeks ago, it read 480i, I believe, not 480p. Now it reads 1080i. Also, only 16:9 aspect ratio is available on the screen, even when displaying a 4:3 ratio picture (with grey bars). Finally, the picture is obviously HDTV. I have watched "24", "Fast Lane", and "John Doe" in HiRes Wide-screen. "24" is probably one of the three best shows on TV , if not the best. I just wish FOX would increase their broadcast power to the same output as WB, so I could watch without blackouts. On a good night, though, I can watch the whole program. Wow!!

Bob

bobfs

Wichita KS HDTV

If FOX is offering anything in HD, it's a well kept secret. I just did a Google search, looking for any indication that FOX had started offering High Def programming, but I didn't find anything. TitanTV.com doesn't list any FOX programs as HD.

Fox euphamistically calls their 480p 16:9 programming "Fox Widescreen". It is widescreen, but it's "enhanced definition" and not, strictly speaking, "high definition", which is a term reserved for native 720p and 1080i programming.

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Our local FOX station is broadcasting 1080i 100% of the time, but there is no true HD content offered by FOX. Everything is either 4x3 480i or 16x9 480i/p. The local station is simply upconverting the signal to 1080i.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy
Is it turn that TiVo records stuff, even if you don't have it programed to record? Someone says their TiVo will record shows, thinking they would like that show and then they have to go through and erase the shows they didn't ask to record. I'm guessing this is a feature and can be turned off????
The Tivo comes factory defaulted to record shows based on your viewing habits. Most of us turn this feature off.

ehardman

Wichita KS HDTV

I have Cox Cable in Wichita. When I have looked at the History Channel HD, the picture is elongated (left to right) and doesn't fill the screen vertically, with a result that the picture is heavily distorted. What gives with that, and given a wide variety of ways for my TV to handle images (4:3, 16:9, and several "zoom" options), what settings might correct that image?

KHarper

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KHarper
I have Cox Cable in Wichita. When I have looked at the History Channel HD, the picture is elongated (left to right) and doesn't fill the screen vertically, with a result that the picture is heavily distorted. What gives with that, and given a wide variety of ways for my TV to handle images (4:3, 16:9, and several "zoom" options), what settings might correct that image?

They are taking a 4:3 image and stretching it as the programing was not origianally recorded in HD. You can not change it to fill your screen as it is coming to you as a 16:9 image.

ehardman

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy
The Cox DVR isn't made to be an archive device.

Is it turn that TiVo records stuff, even if you don't have it programed to record? Someone says their TiVo will record shows, thinking they would like that show and then they have to go through and erase the shows they didn't ask to record. I'm guessing this is a feature and can be turned off????
Except 160g won't handle recording WAR on PBS-HD for me to watch later and have room for anything else.

I really wish there was a way for people to let COX know that we want these features.

ilrosewood

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilrosewood
Except 160g won't handle recording WAR on PBS-HD for me to watch later and have room for anything else.

I really wish there was a way for people to let COX know that we want these features.
160gb is way too small even for those of us who only time shift. HD just takes up too much space on the HD.

ehardman

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by ehardman
160gb is way too small even for those of us who only time shift. HD just takes up too much space on the HD.
I second that. When new computers are coming with Terabyte hard drives, and most people aren't recording HDTV on their computers, you know it's time for DVRs to need some heavy duty (ha, another HD) hard drive storage.

So, I guess we need HD HD HD... (That is, Heavy Duty, High-Def, Hard Drives.)

moreinc

Wichita KS HDTV

I still don't understand why COX won't program their DVR to interface with a USB
external hard drive. I think the software change would be simple enough to do. Maybe
it's a copyright reason. There are so many shows I would like to keep to use as
a reference on how great a movie can look AND sound.

drcwks

Wichita KS HDTV

Have we determined yet if the eSATA connection on the DCH3416 is active for Cox-Wichita? Does anyone have one of these units yet? Has anyone talked to a knowledgable Cox rep?

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueNgu
KScableguy,
Do you know when M-Card cablecards will be available. I think they are inside the new DVRs but the tech told me they don't have the M-cards seperately yet. Supposedly the Series3 Tivos are now capable of using the M-cards with the latest 9.1 firmware.

Anyone have any idea about this?

BlueNgu

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueNgu
Anyone have any idea about this?
From TiVo's web site: Currently, the Series3 HD DVR will support M-Cards in single-stream mode, which means that the DVR requires two (2) CableCARDs to run in dual-tuner mode. The DVR must also be running software version 8.0.1c or later. The TiVo HD DVR supports multi-stream mode for M-Cards. This means that the TiVo HD DVR requires only one (1) M-Card to receive two digital cable channels at once.

Not sure why the cheaper of the two new TiVo would support the M-Card in the way they were made to work.

So if you put a M-Card in both slots on the TiVo, would you have 4 tuners?

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by drcwks
I still don't understand why COX won't program their DVR to interface with a USB external hard drive. I think the software change would be simple enough to do. Maybe it's a copyright reason. There are so many shows I would like to keep to use as a reference on how great a movie can look AND sound.
I was told by a Cox CSR that the firewire port on my HD DVR (Moto 6416, I think) was active, but that they couldn't say anything else and wouldn't offer any tech support.

Was that bad information? I've never actually tried to use it that way.

moreinc

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy
From TiVo's web site: Currently, the Series3 HD DVR will support M-Cards in single-stream mode, which means that the DVR requires two (2) CableCARDs to run in dual-tuner mode. The DVR must also be running software version 8.0.1c or later. The TiVo HD DVR supports multi-stream mode for M-Cards. This means that the TiVo HD DVR requires only one (1) M-Card to receive two digital cable channels at once.

Not sure why the cheaper of the two new TiVo would support the M-Card in the way they were made to work.

So if you put a M-Card in both slots on the TiVo, would you have 4 tuners?
Both the Series 3 and the new HD Tivo support the multi-stream card meaning only one card is necessary.

You can only receive two channels at once as there are only two tuners. Two M-cards get you nothing but a higher bill.

ehardman

Wichita KS HDTV

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Bonanza55D

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by moreinc
I was told by a Cox CSR that the firewire port on my HD DVR (Moto 6416, I think) was active, but that they couldn't say anything else and wouldn't offer any tech support.

Was that bad information? I've never actually tried to use it that way.
It works on my inlaws box, but it was VERY crashy as their box is in general. However, it didn't work on my DVR box. Go figure.

The new ones? No clue.

ilrosewood

Wichita KS HDTV

I have not been able to receive History HD on Ch 616. I have rescanned the tv for new channels and so far no luck. Is 616 still available for everyone else? I have a cablecard in the tv so I don't think that should make a difference. I was able to get TNT HD right away on 618 without a rescan. Anybody help me on this one??

JohnsonBrewer

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by ehardman
Both the Series 3 and the new HD Tivo support the multi-stream card meaning only one card is necessary.
Nope...'fraid not yet. This is straight from the horse's mouth:

Tivo Community Forum

TivoJerry is one of the Customer Service Engineers who keeps an eye on the forums.

The S3 will take an M-Card, but only utilize it as a single stream card. The TivoHD currently supports M-Cards, and utilizes 2 streams from the card (which will then disable the second slot of the Tivo).

pfunky

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by moreinc
I was told by a Cox CSR that the firewire port on my HD DVR (Moto 6416, I think) was active, but that they couldn't say anything else and wouldn't offer any tech support.

Was that bad information? I've never actually tried to use it that way.
Yes they work and there is a post some where on this site that tell's you how to get it to work. But I think all it is good for is to transfer data to your computer. But if you are transfering a 1 hour program, it will take 1 hour to transfer, so not a great fix.

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnsonBrewer
I have not been able to receive History HD on Ch 616. I have rescanned the tv for new channels and so far no luck. Is 616 still available for everyone else? I have a cablecard in the tv so I don't think that should make a difference. I was able to get TNT HD right away on 618 without a rescan. Anybody help me on this one??
What type of TV do you have?

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy
Yes they work and there is a post some where on this site that tell's you how to get it to work. But I think all it is good for is to transfer data to your computer. But if you are transfering a 1 hour program, it will take 1 hour to transfer, so not a great fix.
I have used it before. The computer, with a few tweaks, sees it as a Firewire DV camera basically. A video capture device. So like KScableguy said, you can capture exactly what you see on the TV, or in a DVR situation, what is playing, it basically puts out exactly what you get on the HDMI out. Including menu's and such. Be careful though, it is RAW footage, so HD stuff... It would take up a few gigs, exactly what you save on the DVR's Hard Drive. Anyways, just google something like "How to use the (Model Number) Firewire port" Thats how I figured it out.

Squid7085

Wichita KS HDTV

I was told today that COX can do nothing about the poor signal I am getting whilst using my QAM tuner on my Samsung TV. Is there something I should check / change? My connection has one splitter, the one COX installed that splits it to a jack that isn't in use, my cable modem, and the jack upstairs for this TV. I've been told many times that my cable modem reads max signal so I wouldn't think that it would be that splitter.

Often I would have this same loss of signal, choppy stuff happening when I had the Moto box. When the CSR suggested swapping that box out as it was likely bad, that is when I found out that I could just use the QAM tuner and we ditched the box all together.

ilrosewood

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilrosewood
I was told today that COX can do nothing about the poor signal I am getting whilst using my QAM tuner on my Samsung TV. Is there something I should check / change? My connection has one splitter, the one COX installed that splits it to a jack that isn't in use, my cable modem, and the jack upstairs for this TV. I've been told many times that my cable modem reads max signal so I wouldn't think that it would be that splitter.

Often I would have this same loss of signal, choppy stuff happening when I had the Moto box. When the CSR suggested swapping that box out as it was likely bad, that is when I found out that I could just use the QAM tuner and we ditched the box all together.
One of my HDTVs is a Samsung HDTV and I'm using its QAM tuner. (my other HDTV is hooked up to a Cox HD DVR).

I'm picking up all the local channels and a several other channels that I don't think are supposed to be passed thru unencrypted, but are.

I think Cox only controls which channels are allowed to pass thru, but the signal strength is controlled by other factors, such as the splitter, the quality of the cable line, etc. Since you were having similar problems with your Cox Box, it could be that your main line into your house (the coax cable wire) is faulty somehow. If you're getting a clear and strong signal to your Internet Modem, that wouldn't seem to be the problem. Well, good luck with that. I'm fresh out of ideas.

moreinc

Wichita KS HDTV

Does anybody have any information on TBS HD and CNN HD? I read on Engadget HD that Cox signed a deal with them, and that it has shown up in many other Cox markets. Also, does anybody know if any of our local TV news stations are going to go HD anytime soon, or even have plans to? Its killing me. Watching the SD version of channel 10 looks better than the HD version when 10 PM rolls around.

Squid7085

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilrosewood
I was told today that COX can do nothing about the poor signal I am getting whilst using my QAM tuner on my Samsung TV.
Who told you this? A person on the phone or a tech at your house? If on the phone, just ask for a tech to come out to your house to check stuff anway. If it was a tech at your house, then there is a reason for his/her answer.

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by moreinc
I'm picking up all the local channels and a several other channels that I don't think are supposed to be passed thru unencrypted, but are.

I think Cox only controls which channels are allowed to pass thru
What channels are you getting that you think you shouldn't...you can send a private message if you want to answer that way.

You are correct on the second part, that Cox can encrypted any channel or leave them in the 'clear' if need be.....

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy
What channels are you getting that you think you shouldn't...you can send a private message if you want to answer that way.
No problem. Here they are:

83.008 -- Appears to be some Spanish channel. Unsure of name.
118.005 -- The Weather Channel
119.005 -- HGTV

So, are these just digital channels -- but not in HD?

Am I committing a crime by getting these channels unencryped? (I worry about being caught, you know... since you're a Cox Mole!) :-)

moreinc

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by moreinc
No problem. Here they are:

83.008 -- Appears to be some Spanish channel. Unsure of name.
118.005 -- The Weather Channel
119.005 -- HGTV

So, are these just digital channels -- but not in HD?

Am I committing a crime by getting these channels unencryped? (I worry about being caught, you know... since you're a Cox Mole!) :-)

As said above, if they are in the clear, free game.

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by vblyth
Have we determined yet if the eSATA connection on the DCH3416 is active for Cox-Wichita? Does anyone have one of these units yet? Has anyone talked to a knowledgable Cox rep?
Not active at this time...

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

What happened to the HD signal on 612? I watched the first half in HD, went up, made a sandwich, and came back to crap. Anyone know the phone number to the KWCH control room? Or is this a Cox issue?

frankfurter

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankfurter
What happened to the HD signal on 612? I watched the first half in HD, went up, made a sandwich, and came back to crap. Anyone know the phone number to the KWCH control room? Or is this a Cox issue?
Today's Chief's game is not being broadcast in HD. They ran a ticker several times at the beginning of the game. I know... Low-Def Sucks for NFL games, let me tell ya.

moreinc

Wichita KS HDTV

Off-Topic -- regarding Cox DVRs...

I had to record today's Chiefs game until into the 2nd QTR. So, I fast-foward during the commercials to get caught up. What sucks is that there's no good way to come out of fast-forwarding at an exact spot. It seems to always jump backwards to the nearest minute; 28:00, for example, instead of 28:47. If a commercial break happens to end at 58 seconds past the whole minute, it backs way up into the commercial break (back to the last whole minute) and dumps me there.

Is this a common problem with the Cox DVRs -- or ALL DVRs? I think my model is the 6416 160-Gig unit.

moreinc

Wichita KS HDTV

The stations could choose to move back to their original channel slot after the transition.

I believe up here in the Topeka market, KTWU will go back to their channel 11 from digital 23, and WIBW will go back to 13 from digital 44.

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy1376
The stations could choose to move back to their original channel slot after the transition.
This is information I obtained at www.hdtvexpert.com ...

DTV broadcasts use exactly the same channels as regular analog television. While many DTV stations are now occupying UHF broadcast channels, broadcasters are allowed to move back to their original VHF or UHF TV channel once the transition to DTV is complete.

The only caveat is that TV channels 51 through 69 will be auctioned off for other uses at the end of the transition to digital TV on February 17, 2009. Stations who originally had analog channels in this band will have to move, no matter what.

One potential problem with re-using low VHF (2-6) TV channels for DTV is the possibility of interference from other signals during certain times of the year. "Skip" may bring in distant broadcasts on the same channel and create interference. Impulse noise is also a problem on low VHF channels. What’s more, the physical size of low VHF and high VHF antennas is much larger than that of a UHF antenna.

Tests so far seem to indicate that high VHF channels (7-13) are quite well suited for DTV broadcasts, and many broadcasters plan to move back to their high VHF channels at the end of the transition. VHF transmitters also cost much less money to operate than UHF transmitters.


As you can see, those TV stations whose analog channel was in the high VHF range will most likely go back to the old analog channel, KAKE on channel 10 and KWCH on channel 12 for instance. KSNW will probably remain on channel 45 because of all the interference problems on channel 3.

Notice how the valuable spectrum to be auctioned off lies from UHF channels 51 through 69, not the VHF channels 2 through 13 as most people think...

schick81

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidEC
The whole reason for the digital signals was to free up the VHF band for other uses so why would the FCC allow the stations to move their signals back to the VHF band in 2009??
I don't think that was the whole reason, as you state. But in any event, I think you have it wrong on which frequencies are being freed up. I think it's the high end of the UHF spectrum, but I'm not certain about that.

Jeff

jeffdb27

Wichita KS HDTV

Since Friday night, my Cox HD-DVR has been very sloooow changing HD channels (even slower then usual) and I have been getting "Channel Unavailable. Check Back Later" on some of the local HD channels. A reboot did not help. Anyone else with the same problems?

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

Last week my receiver did something similar and after I tried rebooting it a couple of times it started flashing "dl" and when I called Cox they said that sometimes they do that and brought me a new one. The new one works fine but I lost all the shows I had recorded on the old one. At least they didn't have a problem with switching them out.

A-Dawg

Wichita KS HDTV

Does anybody here have a DirecTV DVR+HD model HR20-100S?

If so can you tune in KPTS-8.1??

I can tune in 8.2 & 8.3 with a 75% signal... and 8.1 is showing a 75% signal but always showing "searching for signal".

My Tosh TV and USDigital/Wal-Mart set top box also show a 75ish signal and turn in 8.1 with no trouble.. (now that I have tweeked by antenna)

--David

DavidEC

Wichita KS HDTV

TNT will be in HD on Cox starting tomorrow.

KScableguy

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy
TNT will be in HD on Cox starting tomorrow.
Channel #? Will that be all KS markets?

ehardman

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy
TNT will be in HD on Cox starting tomorrow.
618 in Wichita though my cablecards are not showing a name for the channel.

Hippster

Wichita KS HDTV

TNT HD is available in Salina on 618 via Series 3 Tivo (uses two cablecards). No channel name on the channel banner and no guide data.

ehardman

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