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Updated: 2008-05-23 09:31:58 (2400)
Wichita KS HDTV

Hello all,
May 1 2002 is soon approching so I figured I would start a thread about our locals going digital.

I just got off of the phone with the engineer from the local WB station KWCV Digital CH. 31 and it looks like they WILL be broadcasting in Digital starting May 1. It will just be upconverted from 480I to 480P at first but it should be an improvement from the cable or OTA anaolog signal. It is too bad the WB doesn't have any HDTV programming yet. He did say they would go on full power for the first couple of months.

I think all of the rest of the stations filed for an extension except KPTS the PBS affiliate which doesn't have to be ready until next year anyway.

I think the next station to go digital will be KAKE the ABC affiliate on digital CH. 21 last I heard they were shooting for early spring. I have a call in to their head engineer and will post back when I hear something.

If anybody wants to read all of the extension requests they can be found here on the form just select service as digital TV select CP extension under application type and put KS for Kansas in the state box.

APPLICATION SEARCH HERE


I also have links to maps of where all of the towers will be located. It looks like they were all smart enough to put them in the same general direction from Wichita- NW. It looks like KWCH will have the furthest tower about 40 miles from Wichita but that still shouldn't be a problem. Here are the links.

KAKE ABC Digital CH. 21 digital tower link

KSAS FOX Digital CH. 26 Digital tower link

KWCV WB Digital CH. 31 Digital tower link

KSNW NBC Digital CH. 45 Digital tower link

KWCH CBS Digital CH. 19 Digital tower link

KPTS PBS Digital CH. 29 Digital tower link

KSCC UPN Digital CH. 35 Digital tower link

It looks like all of the extensions that were filed by our locals were granted so let's hope they are all online by 11/01/2002.

If anybody wants to call some other stations or has anything to add feel free to post it here. Maybe if there are enough people in Wichita we can get a newsletter going or something.


Thanks
Kevin C.

Answers: Wichita KS HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by HD in Wichita
Does anybody know which stations have sub-channels? For example, I show 3-1, 3-2, 3-3 & 3-4 in my program guide, but 3-1 is the only one I'm able to tune in. As well, do all of these transmit HD or only digital.

I understand WB & UPN are digital only.
Any takers?

HD in Wichita

Wichita KS HDTV

As far as I know, these are the known digital channels available over the air in the Wichita/Hutchinson metro area:

3-1: KSNW-DT (Physical Channel: 45) (NBC - 1080i HD)

8-1: KPTS-DT (Physical Channel: 29) (PBS - 1080i HD)

8-2: KPTS-DT (Physical Channel: 29) (PBS Kids - 480i SD, no HD)

10-1: KAKE-DT (Physical Channel: 21) (ABC - 720p HD)

12-1: KWCH-DT (Physical Channel: 19) (CBS - 1080i HD)

12-2: KWCH-DT (Physical Channel: 19) (KWCH Radar - 480i SD, no HD)

24-1: KSAS-DT (Physical Channel: 26) (FOX - 720p HD)

33-1: KWCV-DT (Physical Channel: 31) (WB - 480i SD only, no HD)

36-1: KSCC-DT (Physical Channel: 35) (UPN - 480i SD only, no HD)

schick81

Wichita KS HDTV

Thanks for the reply, Schick. That's exactly what I was looking for!

HD in Wichita

Wichita KS HDTV

I have a question for everybody out there. I live in Newton and have no problem getting Ch. 3, 8, 12, 33, 36 over the air. I can get a reception of about 50 (out of 100) for channel 10. I cannot even get weak signal from FOX. My question is...Does Fox broadcast a weaker signal than all of the others? Since I have to pick up channels in Wichita and Hutch I have my antenna pointed pretty much straight southwest. If it is weak signal do I need to get a better antenna? I bought my antenna at Don's. By the way I tried to point the antenna south and that didn't help. Thanks

jcroth

Wichita KS HDTV

jcroth-

It's odd that you can get 3 and 33 but not get us at all, because our tower is in between those. KSAS-DT 26 is transmitting high power 24/7, and I know it just reaches into McPherson.

You might try a little more SSW, the digital signals can be a little picky with direction. The fact that you can get 8 and 12 well might leads me to think you are aimed too far west.

I have a friend in Newton that just got an HD set, so I'll probably experiment with him a little bit, and if I have problems, I'll post or contact you.

But I can't see a reason beyond antenna direction for your problem.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Thank you for the quick reply. I'll try alittle more SSW and see what happens. I'll let you know if I am sucessful. It's sites like this and people like you that save alot of headaches.

jcroth

Wichita KS HDTV

jcroth,

What antenna do you have? Although I'm guessing you have the right type, you do want a fairly directional antenna. The digital signals are fairly sensitive to reflections. Depending on the receiver, the signal strength shown can be a function of signal strength as well as signal quality. Also, moving the antenna just a few feet one way or the other could make the difference.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Thanks again for the replys. The antenna I am using is a Channel Master 4 bay antenna. Here is a link for a picture...warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4221.htm. You may have to put WWW in there b/c AVS won't let me post a URL Right now I have it mounted in the attic of my single story house. Directly to the south of my house is a open field so nothing is really blocking any signals. I have a tree on the west side of my house that doesn't seem to blocking any signals. I just tried to move it more towards the southwest (from straight south) with little luck. Before I would get an in and out signal from ch. 10 but since I moved it more to the southwest i lost it completely. All my other channels come in great (all above 70 out of 100). Another thing I don't understand is that I am getting a signal strength of 94 on channel 3 which is the same direction as FOX. I am using the dish network 942 HD box as my reciever. I also tried to manually add the station but I wasn't getting anything. So if anybody can think of anything else to try let me know. Thanks

jcroth

Wichita KS HDTV

Our equipment is finally being updated for the new FCC rules. KSCC (UPN) is now updated, but it may have caused some receivers to lose track of it.

If you can't receive 36-1, try dialing in 35-1 directly to see if it updates, or do a channel scan.

If you still have problems feel free to post or contact me.

You shouldn't notice any differences, these changes are internal in the transport stream. In a week or so, we will be doing the same with KSAS, I'll post again then.

jcroth-
My friend was able to pick up Fox at least a little bit with an interior antenna, he's going to hook it up to his attic antenna later this week. I'll let you know what happens then. If you just aren't having any luck, I might get the basic area you live or your address(email that, don't post) and drive out with our signal strength test rig.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon why was 24 not in hd on 05-02-2005

gle1998

Wichita KS HDTV

gle1998-

Sadly the circuit that determines when to switch the splicer was hung up. I rebooted it this morning.

I will have to hear from the operator tonight why I wasn't called for it last night.

Thanks for alerting me,

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon
I tried a couple of things and the signal came in really good. All I did was move it about 2 feet one way and wow, now I am getting a signal of 99 out of 100. But with that I lost 10 and 12. Anyway I was happy to watch the Nascar race last weekend. I heard from somebody that I could get 2 antennas and get a "combiner" (opposite of a splitter) to get a better reception. Does anybody think that would work? I seems like I am having the hardest time with channel 10. 12 is hit and miss. I thought by pointing one towards wichita and the other towards Hutch I could get them all. Well something for you all to think about.
Justin

jcroth

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jcroth
Jon
I tried a couple of things and the signal came in really good. All I did was move it about 2 feet one way and wow, now I am getting a signal of 99 out of 100. But with that I lost 10 and 12. Anyway I was happy to watch the Nascar race last weekend. I heard from somebody that I could get 2 antennas and get a "combiner" (opposite of a splitter) to get a better reception. Does anybody think that would work? I seems like I am having the hardest time with channel 10. 12 is hit and miss. I thought by pointing one towards wichita and the other towards Hutch I could get them all. Well something for you all to think about.
Justin
Yep, that's what I suspected. I've had the same problem with my set top antenna. Moving it a couple of feet one way or the other makes a big difference. Two antenna's combined is probably a bad idea with digital signals. Like I said in my other post, it's very susceptible to reflections. 2 antenna's in different locations might do the same thing (2 signals slightly out of phase). If you want to try 2 antennas, then using a switch to flip between them would be a lot better than a combiner. Kinda a pain as you'd have to flip the switch when changing channels, but it would work.

That being said, if you have room to move your current antenna around more, I'd do that first and see if there's an optimal spot before spending more money.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Saw in the Eagle that on June 30th Cox is switching Starz-HD to channel 614 and adding Universal HD

jh3

Wichita KS HDTV

jcroth-

I agree with Dave, you will probably have better luck with a switch than a combiner. But you might have a splitter/combiner laying around, and you would have to do the same wiring anyways, so you could always experiment. And fall back on the switch if the combining doesn't work.

There is an old technique where the combiner works, but it involves calculating wavelength, and I don't know of anyone trying it with 8VSB signals. I wouldn't even waste the time trying. Maybe there's something out near the end of the internet about this?

You could just leave it pointed at us...

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

You might have a chance of making the combiner work if you do it right. Search the net for "antenna stacking" (and of course this forum). There are lots of sites with info on this, like this one:

http://www.atechfabrication.com/test...cking_test.htm

The switch would still be the best, but if you want to spend some time trying, this is the place to start.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Thanks guys for the info again. Last night I was able to pick every channel up with reasonable strength and without any cutout. I'm going to watch my signal strength but I think I might have it dialed in. I'll keep that combiner thing in mind but according to Talons link it might be alittle over my head and could lead to more headachs. I'll keep you guys posted. BTW Jon don't worry about me losing 24. No matter what I do with the antenna now, I stay locked with 100% signal. I still don't know why it didn't work before.
Justin

jcroth

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jcroth
Thanks guys for the info again. Last night I was able to pick every channel up with reasonable strength and without any cutout. I'm going to watch my signal strength but I think I might have it dialed in. I'll keep that combiner thing in mind but according to Talons link it might be alittle over my head and could lead to more headachs. I'll keep you guys posted. BTW Jon don't worry about me losing 24. No matter what I do with the antenna now, I stay locked with 100% signal. I still don't know why it didn't work before.
Justin
OTA = black magic

I know Jon has been making some changes on his end. He commented about it in an earlier post and I've had to re-scan twice now to keep 24-1 working correctly on my HDTV Wonder. I don't know why that would effect signal strength, but my statement above my apply...

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

jcroth,

Just wanted to pass along that I have a Dish Network DVR 921 HD box and have the same problem picking up KAKE-DT. I also have trouble with WB-DT. Both signals are weak, but I am able to receive them both on a Zenith HD420 STB. However, I only have one component input to the MITS HD television and don't like to switch back and forth between receivers all the time. It is very irritating that these stations are so cheap that they refuse to run enough power to let us pick them up decently. I'm only 8 airline miles (to the southwest) from the stations at Colwich and can't receive them with an 8 Bay antenna I jut purchased recently. It's ridiculous. I get DT from KSN, KPTS, KWCH, KSAS and KSCC perfectly All of these signals are strong and resolve well in the DVR 921. I think the ATSC chip used in the Dish DVRs is only first or second generation and just can't cut the mustard on a weak signal or a signal with multi-path. The Zenith receiver on the other hand has a fourth generation ATSC chip and does a good job detecting them. Would be interested to know if others have trouble receiving KAKE-DT and WB-DT. Thanks! Dale

dalepuckett

Wichita KS HDTV

So the actual Fox Widescreen is upconverted by the station to 1080i. I bet that actually looks pretty good.

Didn't I hear they were going to try to get the tower in Salina to the same as Wichita, by sending the 1080i and widescreen??

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Guys,
If any of you are Royals fans, make sure to call Cox this week and tell them you want them to pick up the Royals Television network. They will be talking this week and I sure hope I can see them on TV this year.

Also, I thought was funny:
I called and asked about the Royals and while I was on the phone, I asked about HDTV over cox. The guy said that he knew what it was, and they really want to offer it, but they were waiting on ALL the stations to go HD before rolling it out. I said all the stations in Wichita are digital, and he said, no, stations like USA, TNT, SciFI. I just had to laugh to myself, say thanks, and hang up.

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

The FOX broadcast does look pretty good. The 16x9 stuff (like Nascar) is about DVD quality which is a major improvement over normal 4x3. I'm not sure if they shoot that in 480i or 480p though.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

BTW, I can tell you guys how WB fixed the sound level problem you were having. They cranked it up twice as loud! How do I know that? Because while you guys were having low audio problems, it was fine on my setup. Now it's way too friggin' loud! Oh well, I can tweak the volume down, better than no audio at all. :-)

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

WB sound level

What Marty told me was he was in the setup menu on his encoder and discovered there was "padding" in the sound (whatever that means). He changed the setting back to what it was on his original encoder (this one is a loaner while his is being repaired), and bada bing, problem fixed. Only apparently not for everyone.

As to FOX, my brother saw last years Super Bowl and assumed it was in High Def because of how good it looked. He was surprised to learn it was not 1080i. I haven't personally seen anything in 480p, so I can't offer my opinion as to how 480p scaled to 1080i compares with, say, true 1080i on HDNet. Wide screen alone is a big deal, and I don't need to see it to know that digital 480p is lightyears better than 480i. Don't forget that a few years ago "line doublers" cost MAJOR bucks, and this is true 480p and not just "line doubled" 480i. It is precisely "DVD quality", which at it's best is pretty damn good. But you'd never mistake 480p for a really GOOD 1080i (or 720p), so there is still room for improvement, and I hope FOX eventually offers HD programming. I personally wish they would go to 720p, since it's a natural fit for plasma, LCD, and DLP technologies.

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

One thing to note though. DVD's are all 480i. They are either line doubled by the player or TV (on an HDTV). So if it's 480p, it's actually better. (although their broadcast doesn't look any better than a DVD, so maybe it's 480i)

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Hey guys, I am still unable to get FOX and UPN on my decoder, I have full strength on my signal, but my decoder says it has no signal, almost like fox and UPN broadcasting format is not compatable with my decoder, has anyone else experienced this problem, I have the Samsung T161 decoder

BRETSTER71

Wichita KS HDTV

Bret:

You have rescaned??

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Bretster, Contact station engineer Jon Cyphers and report the problem. Jon has been great about addressing various issues folks have had with FOX and UPN. These are "sister stations", so you will typically have problems with both, or neither. His email has been listed a time or two in this thread so I won't list it again here. Giving him a call would be better.

I am picking up FOX and UPN, but I have a different receiver. If you are getting a stong signal, then it's not an antenna pointing issue, although it could still be antenna related, possibly a multipath issue, where you are getting a strong reflected signal in addition to the primary one.

Good luck, and do report back on what works and doesn't work.

David

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Bretster,

If you haven't re-scanned, then definitely do that. I've had that problem with my TS-160. Re-scanning sometimes fixes it. If it doesn't, then it may be multi-path as Haysdb said. If your here in Wichita, you might try an indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor (Sears or Circuit City has them). I'm having really good luck with my RS Double Bowtie (I'm at Pawnee and Web). Also try rotating your existing antenna.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Bretster,

I too have been having problem receiving Fox and UPN with my Samsung Sir-t151. I stopped receiving both of them a while ago. I e-mailed Jon Cyphers at JonCyphers@clearchannel.com and he had the problem fixed within a couple of days. Its seems that it's caused by a software corruption on his side. If you are noticing problems like a no signal warning before you start get a picture, even though you have plenty of signal, rescanning will sometimes cause you to lose the channel entirely.
I recommend that you e-mail Jon. Because this problem only affects a small percentage of an already small group of HDTV viewers, he has no way of knowing about it unless somebody tells him.

Rob

robberry

Wichita KS HDTV

Hello bobfs,
Good to see you got a reply from KAKE. I emailed them last week with no reply. Great news on all the DT stations you can receive in Salina! It will be interesting how much the signals will be attenuated by the tree leaves. Can you tell me where you found your CM 4248 UHF antenna? Thanks!
Regards,
Chance in McPherson

Chance C.

Wichita KS HDTV

Hi Chance C,

Speaking of all the great chennels, check this out. I ran a scan today and here are my results.

03-1 KNSW Wichita
10-1 KAKE Wichita
12-1 KWCH Hutchinson
19-1 KAAS Salina
24-1 KSAS Wichita
33-1 KWCV Wichita
36-1 KSCC Wichita
52-1 KSBI Oklahoma City
52-2 KSBI Oklahoma City
56-1 KJRH Tulsa

Guess there must be some kind of skip going on!! I don't know what kind of problems trees will cause. I hope not much. BTW, I got my antenna from http://www.starkelectronics.com

On a related subject, is there any way to keep these channels in memory and add new stations to the memory list, without doing a new scan. A new scan erases the old list and starts a new one. I have a Hitachi 57XWX20B. Any help from anybody is appreciated.

Thanks for the reply and/or any info.

Bob

bobfs

Wichita KS HDTV

Try searching the "Rear Projection Unit" forum. There's probably quite a bit of info there on using the tuner in your set. If you don't turn up anything, then post the question. There are a bunch of guys there with that set.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

All,
We are coming into spring tropo with these temperature swings. I did some quick DXing before work and found 52-1 FN (in OKC?) and 56-1 KJRH in Tulsa. Found many other stations with signal readings in the 20's which is not sufficient for the Hughes E86. I find anything lower than 30 causes picture lockup.

bobfs - The E86 allows a person to step through each channel manually to find new or DX stations without doing a automatic rescan.

Regards,
Chance

Chance C.

Wichita KS HDTV

Hello Everyone,
My Channel Master CM-4248 UHF is in the air and working great! KAKE-DT signal went from 0-6 to 27-34 which allows the Hughes E86 to receive with a few drop outs. The time was 6:30pm when we finished the install and then a funny thing happened at 7:00pm. I did one last signal check on Ch 21(KAKE-DT) and the signal jumped from 30 to 93-100! So I tuned back to 10-1 to find a solid picture with NO drop outs! It looks like the engineers turned up the power. THANK YOU KAKE!!!

bobfs - After seeing your results with the 4248 in Salina I had to try one for myself. This antenna delivers the goods for people out in UHF fringe coverage areas!

My antenna configuration has the CM-4248 at 28ft with a Channel Master VHF (can't remember the model)at 25ft coupled to a Winegard AP-2870 preamp which has separate VHF(17dB) and UHF(19dB) inputs.

Regards,
Chance in McPherson

Chance C.

Wichita KS HDTV

Hey guys,
I know pretty much everyone in here already has a nice HDTV setup.
But I am selling my ECP 4500 CRT projector along with my RCA DTC-100 HD receiver for a very reasonable price.

These units work very well together on my homemade 92" screen which you could also have if you want. Feel free to E-mail me at cobra95kev@yahoo.com if you are interested or would like an eye popping demo.

I am asking 700.00 OBO and that includes me helping you set it up and learn the projector. I also have some switches and cables I can give you with it.


Thanks
Kevin Coleman

Kevin Coleman

Wichita KS HDTV

I am a Wichitan that is new to the HD world...this thread is great! I have a 55in Mitsubishi HDTV, Directv, a rooftop antenna, and I did have a Samsung TS160 HD receiver but I am returning it tonight. The one I had crashed often and was never able to receive an HD picture through Directv (only the locals channels). I also believe that my dish is not pointed correctly, which should be taken care of tomorrow evening.

I hope to have everything up and running by "the final four" games on Saturday...How does basketball look in HD?

Once it is in working order I will report back my results...

CWMCALL

Wichita KS HDTV

Has there been any news on KWCH upping their signal strength? It is the only channel I cannot get, and I thought they had talked about upping their signal.

chrisb25

Wichita KS HDTV

Hi chrisb25,

According to an email I received from Don Vest, "We (KWCH-DT) are transmitting at low power and we are scheduled to go to full power in 2005. The antenna is at near the top of the tower at the present time( 1350 FT)."

However, even at low power, KWCH-DT is the station I pick up the best from Salina. I may get minor pixelization or audio dropouts once every three or four days.

To haysdb: Many of the shows on FOX have the 'bug' at the bottom of the screen at the beginning of the program that says: Presented in Widescreen - High Definition.

bobfs

bobfs

Wichita KS HDTV

While watching the Final Four yesterday, I noticed that KWCH has added "Hutchinson" in bright white letters to their on-screen logo--it is not ghosted like the rest of it. I hate on-screen logos anyway, but not ghosting part of it will cause it to burn-in.

If you feel as strongly as I do about this, please contact KWCH's general manager...here is her email address (posted on KWCH's web site, so it's out their for the public to use):
kmohn@kwch.com

Maybe they intended for it to be ghosted, but until they hear from enough viewers, I doubt it will be changed.

Regards,

Mike

Update: I noticed "Hutchinson" was no longer in their logo on Monday. Still doesn't hurt to send 'em an email to let them know if you dislike on-screen logos in general and especially ones that aren't ghosted.

mwelli

Wichita KS HDTV

Does anyone know if or when KPTS (PBS Wichita) chan. 8 will begin broadcasting in HD? I am not a big PBS fan, but I have heard that they have an awesome HD demonstration that runs daily...it is perfect for showing off your set.

Thanks

CW

CWMCALL

Wichita KS HDTV

Hi CW,

According to <dmcclintock@KPTS.ORG> as of 2/21/03 "We have all necessary equipment on order, some of it here now and being installed. I don't necessarily expect to be broadcasting regularly until May. We are planning to have the digital system on the air during "prime time" evening hours initially. We will provide as much HD widescreen as we have available to us, the rest of the time it will be standard definition, some wide screen, some not. If all goes according to plan we will be broadcasting two channels, the second one being PBS Kids so the children will also have some programming available in prime time."

I have been scanning for their signal, but I have not found it yet. If you find a KPTS-DT signal, please post it to this forum. I will do the same.

Good luck,

bobfs

bobfs

Wichita KS HDTV

KPTS is supposed to be on UHF channel 29. I have emailed them asking if they are going to make their digital debut by May 1st. I'll report here if I hear back from them.

Is everyone out there getting digital 24 and 36? I was getting them but I no longer am able to pick up either one. I thought I heard they are both owned by the same company so I was thinking that maybe they are both down for maintenance.

F P Crazy

Wichita KS HDTV

Thought I would set up an account for when I see questions about our stations to give the forum members quick responses when possible.

All of our transmitters are on and at full power. If we take one down for scheduled maintenance, I will try to post here ahead of time. Not all maintenance is scheduled though

F P Crazy - Have your tried a rescan? Are you using a Samsung receiver?

Our master control operators monitor our signals (including digital) off air, 24 hours a day and notify the Engineering dept. of problems immediately.

While I'm on the subject, our transmitters are at full power and there are no plans for raising the power. You can see our power output ratings in my profile if you want.

Please feel free to post or email me any questions about our stations.
Thanks!

Jon Cyphers
Assistant Chief Engineer
FoxKansas and UPNKansas

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon Cyphers,

I appreciate you posting here (as does everyone else reading this thread - I'm sure).

I am using a Samsung TS-165 terrestrial only. I have a Samsung TS-160 DirecTV HD receiver but am only using this for DirecTV. I have a Winegard long range antenna mounted on a mast some 20' up in the air and am also amplifying the signal. I used to get 26 and 35 but since the trees sprang to life, I have lost them both . I also lost KAKE (21) but if I swing the antenna almost due West, I can pick it up, although it drops out horribly. I am mounted to the North side of a metal building (near old town) with a metal roof and I'm almost positive that I am getting some phase cancellation from the metal roof top reflections behind the antenna. I may some day look into a strictly directional antenna, as the one I currently have is a first rate antenna but does not reject side or rear reflections, a common antagonist of the ATSC (Zenith's VSB) reception system. No matter how I point the antenna I currently cannot pick anything from 26 or 35. That is why I thought maybe you were down. I am getting 45 (3-1), 19 (12-1 and 31 (33-1) wonderfully.

Not being able to get ABC is a drag as ABC is really starting to put a lot of HD out and I was looking forward to watching the NBA playoffs in HD. I thought I read somewhere that ABC has some of the NBA playoffs this year.

To Everyone else,

I heard back from Dave McClintock at KPTS and here are quotes from his reply to me:

"We will be broadcasting on channel 29 and probably will only be on the air from 3 PM to Midnight for awhile. Our intention is to provide the usual schedule of programs along with a second program stream of PBS KIDS programs for the children.

We expect to begin broadcasting May 1st and will pass along any HD programs that we can. Right now most are in standard definition however. The transmitter is being installed right now so we should begin testing it late this week or early next. Thanks for your interest. -Dave"

I hope this answers some of the questions on HD KPTS,

FP Crazy

F P Crazy

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon,
I always am impressed when guys in your position come on here and face both the good and bad. Thanks for doing that. I take it your UPN station is 1,000 watts, is that what 1MW is? Would that reach us all the way up here in Manhattan?? If not, have you guys ever thought of doing like KAAS for the UPN station? We do not have an UPN affiliate for the Topeka market.

Is your KSAS antenna directional?? I do not get KAAS here but do know a guy up on I70 that does.

thanks,

tim

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

FP Crazy-
I worked with another gentleman that had a Samsung terrestial only receiver who had the same problem. Seems that when the Samsung loses reception of a station it's hard to convince it to look at it again. His receiver was new enough he could exchange it at Best Buy. My guess is there is a lithium battery or a nonvolatile memory chip inside that saves the settings even when the power is pulled. If it is a battery theoretically it could be pulled to reset the box to factory, BUT I don't know this for sure, and would recommend talking to Samsung especially if the box is under warranty.

You're probably right on target about the metal roof, 8VSB doesn't handle reflections very well in my experience. If you can get 3-1 which is currently at a lower power and a higher frequency then us and their tower is literally across the field from us, you should at least get 24-1. So either you have a bad reflection at our frequency or your receiver is playing games with you.

So if a rescan and power plug disconnection doesn't get you working again, you might try working with your antenna. If you could get the antenna even a few more feet above or away from the metal roof it might help. The towers are all NW of Wichita for the most part with UPN being slightly farther North.

Timmy-
UPNKansas is 1MegaWatt as in 1,000,000 Watts ERP (Effective Radiated Power) due to a high gain antenna. As far as a transmitter in the Salina area, nothing is planned. We are trying to get UPNKansas on as many cable systems as possible though (not digital sorry). We just bought a brand new transmitter for going digital in Wichita, so that kind of tied up our budget. We would love to be transmitting up there, but we trust that decision to the 'bean counters', and several things factor in to the decision.

In addition our DMA (Direct Marketing Area) makes a line N to S in between Manhattan and Emporia. This is why Topeka and other eastern cities would get KC and Topeka stations vs Wichita stations. Also why Manhattan sometimes gets both KC and Wichita stations. We would not be able to put a transmitter in for the Topeka market because of our DMA, but someone else might.

Our KSAS tower is not exactly omnidirectional but close. It has a peanut shaped pattern that is focused on Wichita and Hutchinson so areas SW and NE of Wichita lose our signal faster then people SE and NW.
Our crossover point between our Salina and Wichita transmitters for FoxKansas on I-135 is McPherson.

If you have a good outdoor antenna pointed West you should be able to get analog 18 KAAS on a good day. Our KAAS-DT is only 1kW so it's just making it to Salina. Unless everything was just right, I would doubt that you could receive 18-1 in Manhattan because of those hill like things you have up that way (what do you call that? terrain?)

Hope this answers some questions

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

I tried a rescan. It didn't help. The Samsung TS160 (DirectV/ATSC combo)is the one with all the problems not the TS165. My 160 has really been problem free. I have sold several 160s and they seem to need to be occasionally unplugged and rescanned. It seems they are susceptible to bad PSIP code and that causes them problems - or so it has been reported to be the problem. But my 165 never locks up. I did notice that when I rescanned, it paused on channels 26 and 35, before putting up the "not added" baner - where all the other frequencies (where no station exists) immediatly come up as "not added" (with no pause). That tells me that it either is seeing something, or it remembers that there was a channel there at some time.

I will soon probably try a Winegard 7210 which is supposedly very directional and very good at rejecting side and rear reflections. I am waiting for Winegard's tech support to call back so I can discuss this with them, before I proceed.

BTW, I unplugged the power to my 165 for over an hour before tha last rescan. I also can't get the antenna up much higher. I have about 3-4 inches to go, before I run out of mast.

Funny I am getting analog 24 and 36 with a decent pic. The same can be said for analog 12. Even analog 3 looks okay (a few sparkles). Analog 10 is pretty soft and it usually is the easiest to get a decent picture with an antenna. I am pointed to the Northwest. Analog 33 is also okay. If anyone else has ideas, I'll listen. If I try the different Winegard 7210, I'll report my results

F P Crazy

Wichita KS HDTV

FP Crazy-
The other gentleman had the same exact problem, his box wasn't fixed, he got a virgin replacement that worked out of the box. His receiver did the same "pausing" thing when programming. Unplugging it will not help as I stated before, there is a battery or nonvolatile memory chip inside storing everything. If you are a dealer, have you tried a different 165 out of the box on your system?

PSIP seems to be the most problematic thing with the DTV transition. I have updated all of our encoders and PSIP equipment with the latest versions. I did this trying to fix the earlier gentleman's box, but nothing worked. I run a piece of test equipment that checks the timing and structure of the PSIP tables after they are broadcast, and everything checks out fine. I also trust that other people on the forum would be posting if they were having problems.

Our encoder company Tandberg tests their encoders with every new STB that comes out. They did report a small problem with the Samsung 165, but resolved it with a software upgrade, and I have been running that version for a month now.

If you can receive our analog channels, then I would say there is a 99% chance your antenna setup is fine. It's your STB locked up.

I hope you have the resources to try a new STB, there is nothing I can do on my end, wish there was.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Vern-

We were aware of the problem, we had a satellite receiver failure. While we have a backup for our 4x3 feed, we only have one receiver for our 16x9 feed.

It took some time, but I got things switched around to use the backup receiver on 16x9 for the Sunday game.

Sorry! Once DTV ramps up more, I'm sure they'll send us an extra receiver for the 16x9.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon,

Appreciate the info. It's good to know that you were on the problem and it's great that you were able to fix it by Sunday's game. Thanks.

Any news about when Fox Sports will start broadcasting in HD? The widescreen high res is better than analog but no where near the CBS/ABC HD. Hopefully, baseball and football next year will see Fox HD.

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon@KSAS/KSCC,

Sat afternoon and the StL-Car playoff game has started and the digital signal is 4:3 with gray bars. It's hard to believe that Fox isn't broadcasting this game in high resolution widescreen. Since there is no phone contact possible for KSAS on the weekends I can't verify/inform anyone of this possible problem. Oh well, back to the analog signal.

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

Some are, some aren't. I think Fox, UPN, and WB are all just 2.0. NBC, CBS, and ABC sometimes are doing DD5.1 I *think*. At least ABC does. Your receiver will always show 5.1 with ABC, although sometimes you're really only getting 2.0. It's a mix and probably not a problem on your end.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Hey guys I'm over here on the south side of wichita by the turnpike, and currently getting good reception from all channels. However, CBS and NBC are at about 40% according to the signal meter. My question is this, are these local stations sending out a full 5.1 DD or just 2.1? I'm getting 5.1 on ABC and dolby prologic on FOX but thats it.

quicksilver

Wichita KS HDTV

I'm at Pawnee and Web (southeast side). As I've stated before, I get all of the digital channels with a small set top antenna. I would think you could get them with a good outside/attic antenna. Derby isn't that much farther away.

I'll add also that the analog channels look like crap with that same antenna, so high signal strength isn't so necessary as a good reflection free signal (known as "ghosting" for analog channels).

Also, I have the Samsung TS-160. It's worked well since they did a couple of firmware upgrades. I do think the Sony/Zenith may have better PQ though. The one downside to the Sammy is the somewhat poorer black levels. Although not too bad, some dark images do lack some detail. I know this from comparing movies on HBOHD and the DVD version of the same movie. It's not terrible, but noticeable. The big plus of the Sammy though is the simultaneous s-video and component output.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Thanks for reply!
Good to know about reception. Pulled RG6 through this weekend. Original builder was compelled to use very large staples to hold rg59 cable. Have not heard of many people in Derby converting to OTA hdtv.

However stopped in at local Radio Shack Friday, they have sold in excess of 300 higher end antennas last year. 1 industutrious fellow strung two of Radio Shacks top end antenna together and is pulling down a signal from Udall. Of course on top off a very long pole.

How is the Samsung performing. Still have to make that decision.

Have buddy on Central south of Crestview using Antenna in attic, with Zenith Sat 520 and game Saturday night looked great.

All help is appreciated!

charlie schwarz

Wichita KS HDTV

Did you get either of the tech's names? I need to have them come out and unhook stuff too!!

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

About 3 months ago, I had COX come and drop my service from 'Standard' (all the normal channels, i.e History, USA, VH1 etc) to 'Limited Basic' (which is basically just the locals). Well, the tech came out, did something to the cable junction in the backyard and drove away without saying anything. When I checked it out, nothing had changed. I still got all the other channels.

Then, last week, I had them come to shut off the cable TV service completely, but leave my internet access intact. Again, a tech shows up (late) and plays with the cable junction in the backyard and drives away without saying anything. The first thing I checked was my internet access, and it was still operable. So far, so good. So, I checked out the TV and... you guessed it... I still have all the original channels!

I'm just letting off some steam here, I guess. This latest series of screw ups hasn't hurt me at all, of course. It just amazes me how consistently incompetent they can be.

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by charlie schwarz
Has anyone heard about reception of OTA in Derby Ks. Went to Primetime and they were pessimistic, although they have done no work in Derby

Any advice to this newby would be helpful. Hardware is perplexing - sounds like an industry needing top down shake down.
I am getting good reception in Derby. My antenna (old Weingard) is in my attic and I live in a low area East of Rock Road. The only time I have experienced any signal issues, it was usually from the source (based on the posts in this thread). I'm using the Samsung TS160 receiver.

themelon

Wichita KS HDTV

From a previous post, it should be obvious that I am no fan of Cox, but just for comparison sake could those of you that have DirecTV please list for me the channels that are available to you in HD.
Thanks!

dresf

Wichita KS HDTV

dresf,
Have a look at this link...
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/imagine/HDTV_pricing.dsp
Regards,
Chance

Chance C.

Wichita KS HDTV

Over Thanksgiving I punted the last service I had with Cox. DSL has been available in my area for a while and I finally just punted Cox all together and saved money in the procedure. Their internet service had gotten so bad in my area that I could not play XBox Live without getting dropped at least 50% of the time. Very frustrating. Goodbye cable company and Good Riddance!!!

Frazld

Wichita KS HDTV

Yea, I'd love to get rid of all their service, but the cable modem is the best deal for me right now, unfortunately. I canceled their cable TV service a long time ago in favor of DirecTV.

Dave G.

talon95

Wichita KS HDTV

Cox is the worst. I called like 5 months ago to see if I could get the special price on cable internet, they said NO. I call a month later to cancel all services, they say they can give me a much better deal than even what they were offering last month. SOB's. They cannot even get more than one local in HD.

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Called COX today to cancel my cable TV service, since I have access to locals on DISH. I had to argue with some CSR regarding the merits of Cable vs Satellite. She told me several falsehoods, like, with DISH locals I wouldn't get PBS, WB, or UPN. I told her this wasn't true, but she insisted (even though I have been getting those channels via DISH for a couple of weeks). I told her that the main reason for swithching from cable was PVR capability. She said, "Oh, we're getting that next year, so you should go ahead and keep your cable service now." This back and forth went on for 10 or 15 minutes.

I really hate to be rude with people, but I finally had to cut her off in the middle of her COX HD service talk and say, "Look, can you just do what I ask and shut it off?!!"

Still she told me that I was making a big mistake, but she would send someone out if that's really what I wanted to do.

Damn, that was frustrating.

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

Has anyone heard about reception of OTA in Derby Ks. Went to Primetime and they were pessimistic, although they have done no work in Derby

Any advice to this newby would be helpful. Hardware is perplexing - sounds like an industry needing top down shake down.

charlie schwarz

Wichita KS HDTV

Since I have become an HD addict, I went by the Cox office in Wichita today to inquire about an HD box. I was told that they had no boxes and were not expecting any until mid January. When I asked about the "free" HD offer that expires at the end of January, they indicated that the offer may be extended. It seems that since Motorola is no longer producing the 5100 STB, there doesn't seem to be a big supply of the 6100 units available. At least the customer rep indicated that the only local channel available was KAKE. As for the other channels, Cox is in "negotiations".

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

Well, I finally got my Superdish installed. I'm now online with local channels. So far, it's great! I can PVR local channels. Picture quality is decent (as good as any SD satellite channel and better than what I got from cable). Of course, I can still view all the local HD content OTA via my antenna.

Best part: I can tell Cox to stick it, except for internet, of course. But, hey my company pays for that.

Regards. Jay.

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

I've been in and out of the office at the end of last week, I can't believe it was bad from Thursday night on. Sorry. I didn't get a trouble call until Sunday at the beginning of the Chiefs game and had the problem fixed within 15 minutes of the call.

Our upconverter locked up on it's own. good ol computers...

As far as it not being noticed earlier, there is no excuse. The operator watches 7 monitors at a time, they should have noticed the problem. Since we (engineering) are not in the office during prime, we won't see the digital feed unless we are watching at home. I will figure out a way for them to pay more attention to it.

FYI, the grey bars mean you are watching our upconverted feed, if you see black bars you are watching Fox's widescreen and they are not providing a wide image at the time. Most of you had figured that out.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by vblyth
Jon@KSAS/KSCC,

I first noticed it Thursday night during Tru Calling and again tonight during Mad TV. Is this a problem on your end?

I noticed also Thursday during Tru Calling, I looked here for a number but IIRC there isn't a direct line to the control room. I noticed this afternoon that originally the KC/Detroit game had black bars on the sides plus the grey ones but in the last couple minutes they seem to have fixed it now I'm only getting the black ones on my 16:9 set.

edison

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon@KSAS/KSCC,

What's up with the Fox digital signal lately? The network feed is compressed into a 4:3 picture. If the network feed is the high resolution widescreen, it's shown as 4:3 with everything compressed vertically and grey bars on the sides filling out the 16:9. If the network feed is 4:3 it's compressed vertically with black bars on the left/right sides filling out the 4:3 and grey bars on the sides filling out the 16:9. Anything local is shown correctly in 4:3. I first noticed it Thursday night during Tru Calling and again tonight during Mad TV. Is this a problem on your end? Hopefully it will be cleared up for football on Sunday and Tuesday night for 24. Just wondering...

vblyth

Wichita KS HDTV

Good call, edison. I think I get a lot more enjoyment out of my OTA set up. Hell, just knowing that it's not costing me a monthly fee makes me feel like I'm getting away with something.

Anyway, I got my antenna from Primetime Communications on West St. I don't think they carry the Channel Master, but they do have a few Winegard models. I got an HD7210 from them. It may not be what you're looking for, as it's a VHF/UHF model, and it's pretty large. It did fit nicely in my attic, though.

Regards. Jay.

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisb25
Cox's ads also show both the cbs and abc logos. Last time I checked, only one of those stations was actually offered.
Well actually both are offered. ABC in Wichita. CBS in Topeka. Too bad because I rarely watch ABC, but I watch a ton of CBS.

klemsaba

Wichita KS HDTV

Cox's ads also show both the cbs and abc logos. Last time I checked, only one of those stations was actually offered.

chrisb25

Wichita KS HDTV

Does anyone know if any local retailers handle the Channel Master 4228? The Channel Master website says some ACE hardware's, and some Lowe's but niether did. My UHF RS works okay on my Samsung 150 but my HiPix only gets FOX, UPN, WB, and sometimes NBC. I'm assuming that the tuner in the Samsung is better that the HiPix but figured maybe a better UHF antenna would help also.

On another note I decided against the Cox "FREE" deal since it would cost me $20+ more a month, ($10.xx digital tier, $9.95 box rental).

edison

Wichita KS HDTV

I agree, dresf. Have you heard Cox's latest radio spot?

"HD Service from COX is FREE!! FREE!!. Including Local Channels!!"

I just about drove off the road when I heard that. How can they do that? Oh wait... they didn't say ALL local channels...they just said "including local channels.

Oh, those clever pigs.

XRay

Wichita KS HDTV

I am getting close to being frustrated enough to buy an OTA receiver, but I already have a $500 investment in the cox hd box, and adding another box at close to the same price to get 3 more channels is overkill...right now. When I signed up for the Cox HD pkg. their info to me and others was that the other locals were just a matter of days or weeks, back in October. In addition, to add another box would mean reprogramming my pronto pro, and the box would have to have a dvi out since I am out of component inputs on my dwin projector. I dont want to cut off my nose to spite my face-or my pocketbook. Like the rest of you, I'd just like to see some honesty and integrity in information that we get from the cable company and local networks. I think the Wichita Eagle needs to do a story on this to stir up the pot a bit, because at this point I don't think the pot is being stirred at all.

dresf

Wichita KS HDTV

To add to the above, I am not sure if most of you all know I live in Manhattan, but we only have PBS, CBS, and NBC in HD with ABC in SD. The NBC is broadcasting at a whopping 4kW and ABC at 25kW (neither with immediate plans to boost power). CBS rings in at 94kW with PBS in the 800's somewhere. No FOX, WB, or UPN. Heck, there not even an UPN or WB analog affiliate.

My point being that unless you live in a larger city, and you have good broadcasters that will actually put out a signal that covers more than their city of license, you might have trouble with OTA. If you were to look towards the PBS, FOX, and NBC towers from my house, you will see a hill that totally blocks me from even receiving the analog channel. ABC and CBS are better, but I cannot get them without major ghosting.

For me, it's cable for locals in HD or nothing.

timmy1376

Wichita KS HDTV

Fox announced Fall of 2004 they will begin 720p. We will switch from 1080i upconversion to 720p upconversion sometime before then, and will pass Fox through untouched once it is 720p. We also have money in the budget to add the necessary equipment to pass 5.1 audio sometime this year. Budgets can be changed though.

We are (along with all other affiliates) actually getting an extra dish for the Fox feed. It is being delivered today with installation not too far off. So this is a sure thing. There will be a long testing period, so I would not predict an earlier start time for 720p then the fall. The crews are working across the US installing the dishes.

Thanks for watching.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

FYI, according to Mark Schubin, as of last September, 681 of the 768 "high power" DTT stations nationwide are carried on cable (link to his source). That puts Cox a bit behind the curve, but not really by THAT much I guess, depending on how you count.

The reason I say that is that as of Nov 5, 2005, KSN (ABC, ch 3) was still operating on "temporary authority" and not yet licensed by the FCC. In other words, they aren't included in that '768' number.

And while I'm here, here is a link to the FCC's FAQ on DTV

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by haysdb
I'm with you though. If I end up having to put up an antenna to receive KSN (to watch the Olympics in HD), switching to satellite is a rather small step, and I believe the Dish and DirecTV DVR's will record the OTA channels, which the cable DVR will not. Cox is on a short leash.
I put an antenna in my attic over a year ago and receive great OTA signal strength. I'm not seeing a good reason to pay out money to Cox for something that I still need to fire up my computer to watch a digital signal from NBC and WB.

The only thing that has kept me from going straight to DirecTV is that they still require a dedicated phone line for some of their programming. I switched over to a cell phone as my only telephone a long time ago. I've read on some other forums that it's possible to use a Vonage setup for that now. Hmm, it may be time to see what's on the shelf at Best Buy.

WilECoyoT

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by haysdb
I think by law, everyone must be broadcasting in digital now. I could also swear that Smallville, which is on WB, is in HD.
-David
Congress continually pushes back the date that all stations must broadcast in digital. They recently moved it from Dec 31, 2006 to sometime in 2009.

There are plenty of stations that are still broadcasting only on analog. At least a couple in your area even... PAX-5 (KCTU) and TBN-59 .

Oh, and yes, Smallville and Everwood are HD on WB.

Jeff

jeffdb27

Wichita KS HDTV

Feb 17, 2009 is the analog cutoff date - the last day of analog broadcasts. On Feb 18, everyone without a digital tuner must get one. I believe something on the order of $1.5 Billion dollars has been earmarked by congress to subsidize the purchase of STB's when analog broadcasts are turned off. As noted, this date has repeatedly been pushed back. However, I think this latest date has some teeth in it:
Quote:
By the time of the 2009 switch, the government will have auctioned the remaining spectrum to companies interested in deploying wireless technologies. The proceeds are estimated at about $10 billion by the Congressional Budget Office. The auction is supposed to begin no later than Jan. 7, 2008.
I believe the date where stations must transmit in digital has long past (May 1, 2003 is what Google searches keep turning up), although it is true that there are exceptions, although I'm pretty certain that these are small non-commerical stations recieving some sort of exemption. I am trying to find specifics.

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Lagging far behind in this transition are the rural public television stations, which depend on viewer donations and public funds to buy the expensive digital equipment. A significant number of stations have not completed the transition, and many are rural stations that have no funding to proceed. The deadline for initiating digital broadcasting was May 2003, and all waivers of that date have expired. These stations are in violation of their FCC licenses.
Link

There appears to be a federal grant program (Public Television Station Digital Transition Grant Program) available to provide money to these small non-commercial stations to enable them to make the conversion.

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Anyone in Salina have COX cable and a PC Card or TV with a QAM tuner?
I am curious to know if the HD channel (currently only Fox) is available in the clear.

I am thinking of buying one of the HD capture cards that is QAM capable, and just wondered if anyone else here has tried this before I invest the funds.

Rumor has it that COX will finally be adding more HD channels here. I'm always looking for more HD!

Thanks,
Jeff

jeffdb27

Wichita KS HDTV

From CNN... http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/24/news...rner/index.htm

"Warner Brothers and CBS Corp. announced plans Tuesday for the creation of a new broadcast television network, called CW, that would replace the WB and UPN networks in the fall of this year."

Hippster

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippster
From CNN... http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/24/news...rner/index.htm

"Warner Brothers and CBS Corp. announced plans Tuesday for the creation of a new broadcast television network, called CW, that would replace the WB and UPN networks in the fall of this year."
With all the mergers, etc., it's hard to follow who owns who.
I can see CBS and WB doing something together, but how does UPN fit in?
UPN used to be owned by Paramount. Who owns Paramount? The article linked to never really says.

Jeff

jeffdb27

Wichita KS HDTV

This seems like a good thing to me. WB and UPN were both too small to make much of an impact. Combined, maybe they can become a legitimate network.

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by haysdb
Just to summarize...

NOT in HD on Cox:
  • NBC - NO WINTER OLYMPICS IN HD
  • WB - No Smallville
  • HDNet
  • HDNet Movies
I called Cox and expressed my extreme disatisfaction with no Winter Olympics in HD. The Cox representative (Teresa, a "supervisor") has promised to find out what the status is on NBC in particular, but also WB and additional HD channels like HD-Net, and call me back "within 48 hours." I can install an antenna if it's going to be awhile, although I won't be able to record anything since the Cox DVR does not have an antenna input.

If anyone can feed me a name of a VP, I'll happily call and chew on someone else.

Why mess with cox when OTA NBC AND WB work fine in Wichita?
One question I do have is about the Today show. It's "supposedly" broadcast in HD yet our local NBC doesn't show it. All other NBC HD programing is in HD....OTA.

Flyboy@39zero

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by haysdb
  1. With satellite, you will need an antenna to pick up ANY local channels. The up side of that is that you will get them all in HD, without any compression. DirecTV will eventually get around to offering our locals, but not for some time. They recently launched two new satellites, but those will provide local channels for just the top 24 (?) markets.
  2. I don't know that DirecTV's "digital" channels are anything more than digitized analog, although I could be wrong.
  3. DirecTV is downconverting 1080i HD content from 1920x horizontal to 1280x according to some posts I have read on this forum. I definitely see compression artifacts on DirecTV HD channels that I don't see from the local broadcast channels.
I'm with you though. If I end up having to put up an antenna to receive KSN (to watch the Olympics in HD), switching to satellite is a rather small step, and I believe the Dish and DirecTV DVR's will record the OTA channels, which the cable DVR will not. Cox is on a short leash.

I have DirectTv and the HD package. I also have waivers for some national feeds. I have done direct comparisons between DirecTV broadcasts and local OTA on CBS and FOX. (Yes, I know...fox....)
There is NO dicernable video difference on a 57 in HD set. The audio however, is more "robust" OTA.

Flyboy@39zero

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy@39zero
Why mess with cox when OTA NBC AND WB work fine in Wichita?
Because my HD-DVR does not have an antenna input and therefore I cannot record anything OTA. If nothing changes at Cox in two months (i.e. if there are no additional HD channels), I will consider installing a permanent antenna and switching to DirecTV. I am assuming the DirecTV DVR's can record OTA?

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by haysdb
Because my HD-DVR does not have an antenna input and therefore I cannot record anything OTA. If nothing changes at Cox in two months (i.e. if there are no additional HD channels), I will consider installing a permanent antenna and switching to DirecTV. I am assuming the DirecTV DVR's can record OTA?
I have an HD DirecTivo HR 10-250 which integrates and records OTA HD seemlessly...two OTA HD tunners actually. DirecTV had a new non Tivo HD DVR that I "believe" records OTA and you can get up to five of them for free with a two year agreement.
Also, I have an UHF only antenna in the attic (about 2ft x3ft) that gets excellent reception on all channels but PBS at Harry and Greenwich.

Flyboy@39zero

Wichita KS HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy@39zero
I have DirectTv and the HD package. I also have waivers for some national feeds. I have done direct comparisons between DirecTV broadcasts and local OTA on CBS and FOX. (Yes, I know...fox....)
There is NO dicernable video difference on a 57 in HD set.
DirecTV is downconverting 1080i from 1920x1080 to 1280x1080, but more importantly they are reducing the bit rate even further with additional compression, resulting in compression artifacts such as macroblocking.

How visible this will be is obviously dependent on a number of factors, including the amount of motion, viewing distance, the resolution of your TV, and so on. It was more than obvious to me on my brother's humongous 1080p 80" Mitsubishi LCoS.

For more details, search AVS for "HDLite" or "HD-Lite".

I do not know if Cox is doing this sort of thing, but I do not believe they are. Yet.

haysdb

Wichita KS HDTV

KSCC-DT OTA is back to HD.

For more info on LPTV becoming DTV stations, try this article :
http://www.tvtechnology.com/features...5-n_will.shtml

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Is anyone having problems with channel 36.1 sound? I have good HD picture but no sound. Standard Over-the-Air antenna and receiver. All other channels are working fine.

Thanks
--Ben

bghlim

Wichita KS HDTV

Ben -

Have you tried rescanning the channels? Due to our earlier microwave problems, we went from 1080i to 480i without extended PSIP then back to 1080i with extended PSIP. Sometimes that will confuse a receiver. Some receivers even require being unplugged from the wall for a bit, then plugging back in and rescanning.

If anyone else is having the same problem, please post or email me. We now have 5 different brands of receivers here, and they are all receiving audio fine.
Please include your brand of receiver, to see if there are certain brands with a problem, that gives me more to work with, especially when our equipment is working.

We also took a couple of calls from people with the same problem, but after suggesting a rescan we haven't heard back. (which doesn't necessarily mean it's fixed, but we hope it does).

Thanks
jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Hi Jon,

Any inside info on how the WB/UPN merger affects us locally?

More specifically, will the new "CW" network run on the UPN frequency (36.1) or will it be running on 33.1 (or a new frequency altogether)?

Either way, I'm really hoping the new channel will be in HD at launch and available on Cox's HD lineup.

WillieC

Wichita KS HDTV

WillieC-

If you find out let me know

Know one knows, as our GM (and WB33's GM) stated in the Eagle last week. It doesn't look like either station would go away, one would just become an independent. And since network is only 2 out of 24 hours in a day on UPN (although CW is offering more with a kids block daily and on Sat) it's not too big of a change. The loss would be the national publicity, and HD content for now for the independent station.

We learned about the big announcement with everyone else on CNN.

The decision should be announced soon, because programming for the fall is usually already planned out by now.

jon

Jon@KSAS/KSCC

Wichita KS HDTV

Jon,
I tried re-scanning and that did not work. Then I unplugged the box from the power for 10 minutes, then re-scan. That didn't work either. It didn't seem to "forget" any settings even when I unplugged it.

Still good picture with no sound (sometimes with staccatto sound).

It is a Samsung SIR-T451 box, if that helps.

Thanks
--Ben

bghlim

Wichita KS HDTV

FYI, I came across an interesting looking "small" (12"x19") antenna: DB2 from Antennas Direct. It's an outdoor antenna, but they say it's also their most popular INDOOR antenna. Intereresting.

A good and cheap (~$25) indoor antenna is the Zenith/Philips Silver Sensor, model ZHDTV1/ZHDTV1Z.

For a powered indoor antenna, there is the Winegard SharpShooter. (Note: Link goes to a .pdf file)

Comparing some commercially available antennas

I guess I'll try the Silver Sensor since it's the cheapest good indoor antenna available.

Edit: Actually, there do appear to be some other decent indoor antennas, including one or more from Radio Shack.

haysdb

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