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Updated: 2008-05-23 09:32:02 (3567)
Roanoke VA HDTV

Here we go, a new thread for Roanoke/Lynchburg!

First, a link to the old thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=277399

Now, the normal information about the local stations.

07-1 18 CBS WDBJ-DT 1080i "WDBJ-7"
07-2 18 MY. WDBJ-DT 480i "My Network TV"
10-1 30 NBC WSLS-DT 1080i "Newschannel 10"
10-2 30 WXC WSLS-DT 480i
13-1 34 ABC WSET-DT 720p "ABC13"
13-2 34 RTN WSET-DT 480i
15-1 03 PBS WBRA-DT 1080i "PBS HD"
15-2 03 PBS WBRA-DT 480i "Blue Ridge PBS"
15-5 03 PBW WBRA-DT 1080i "PBS World"
21-1 20 FOX WWCW-DT 480i "Fox 21/27"
21-2 20 CW. WWCW-DT 1080i "CW5"
27-1 17 FOX WFXR-DT 720p "Fox 21/27"
27-2 17 CW. WFXR-DT 480i "CW5"
38-1 36 Ion WPXR-DT 480i
38-2 36 Qbo WPXR-DT 480i
38-3 36 Ion WPXR-DT 480i
38-4 36 WHP WPXR-DT 480i
41-1 41 REL WDRL-DT 480i "DRL 24"

05 W05AA-D .CP 0.00' 3.000 kW DA Will cover Roanoke and little else.
18 WDBJ-DT LIC 1988' 460.0 kW ND No known problems.
30 WSLS-DT LIC 1942' 950.0 kW DA No known problems.
34 WSET-DT LIC 1863' 200.0 kW ND Trouble with signal in Roanoke and New River Valley.
13 WSET-DT APP 1863' 19.60 kW ND Won't sign on until 2009.
03 WBRA-DT LIC 2057' 7.250 kW DA Impulse noise, e-skip, low bandwidth on HD.
20 WWCW-DT STA 1641' 186.3 kW DA Trouble with signal in Roanoke and New River Valley.
........... CP 1641' 400.0 kW DA
41 WDRL-DT LIC 1240' 43.00 kW DA Weak signal.
41 WDRL-DT APP 1089' 141.0 kW ND Won't sign on until 2009.
28 W54BT-D APP 0.00' 5.00 kW DA
17 WFXR-DT LIC 1948' 400.0 kW DA No known problems.
36 WPXR-DT LIC 2043' 700.0 kW DA No known problems.
47 W40BM-D .CP 0.00' 3.000 kW ND Limited coverage.
22 WRKV-CA APP 0.00' 3.000 kW DA
51 W44CL-D APP 0.00' 4.000 kW DA
49 W49AP-D .CP 0.00' 15.00 kW ND Limited coverage.
43 WTLU-CA APP 0.00' 15.00 kW ND

WDBJ-TV 07 -- (540) 344-7000
WSLS-TV 10 -- (540) 981-9110
WSET-TV 13 -- (434) 528-1313
WBRA-TV 15 -- (888) 332-7788
WWCW-TV 21
WFXR-TV 27 -- (540) 344-2127
WDRL-TV 24 -- (540) 366-2424
WPXR-TV 38 -- (540) 857-0038

Some people may have luck with certain fringe stations listed below in no particular order:

52-1 42 PBS WMSY-DT 1080i
52-2 42 PBS WMSY-DT 480i
52-5 42 PBW WMSY-DT 480i
11-1 11 PBS WVPT-DT 1080i
11-2 11 PBS WVPT-DT 480i
11-3 11 KID WVPT-DT 480i
11-4 11 YOU WVPT-DT 480i
29-1 32 NBC WVIR-DT 1080i "NBC29"
29-2 32 WXC WVIR-DT 480i "Weather Plus"
29-3 32 CW+ WVIR-DT 480i "CW29"
41-1 46 PBS WHTJ-DT 1080i "PBS HD"
41-2 46 PBS WHTJ-DT 480i "WHTJ"
41-3 46 WVW WHTJ-DT 480i "World View"
04-1 59 PBS WUNC-DT 480i
04-2 59 PBS WUNC-DT 1080i 8-11PM ONLY
04-3 59 KID WUNC-DT 480i SHUT DOWN 8PM-11PM
04-4 59 YOU WUNC-DT 480i SHUT DOWN 8PM-11PM
04-5 59 APB WUNC-DT 480i SHUT DOWN 8PM-11PM
12-1 31 NBC WXII-DT 1080i
12-2 31 WXC WXII-DT 480i
26-1 32 PBS WUNL-DT 480i
26-2 32 PBS WUNL-DT 1080i 8-11PM ONLY
26-3 32 KID WUNL-DT 480i SHUT DOWN 8PM-11PM
26-4 32 YOU WUNL-DT 480i SHUT DOWN 8PM-11PM
26-5 32 APB WUNL-DT 480i SHUT DOWN 8PM-11PM

42 WMSY-DT LIC 1469' 100.0 kW ND From Marion; best in New River Valley.
11 WVPT-DT LIC 2113' 3.200 kW DA From Staunton; best north of Lynchburg.
32 WVIR-DT LIC 1184' 1000. kW DA From Charlottesville; best in Lynchburg/Appomattox area.
46 WHTJ-DT LIC 1088' 165.0 kW DA From Charlottesville; best in Lynchburg/Appomattox area.
59 WUNC-DT LIC 1469' 893.2 kW ND From Chapel Hill; best in Danville/South Boston area.
25 WUNC-DT APP 1469' 300.0 kW DA From Chapel Hill; likely to lose most Virginia coverage; will not sign on until 2009.
31 WXII-DT LIC 1876' 815.0 kW ND From Winston-Salem; best in Danville/Martinsville area.
32 WUNL-DT LIC 1571' 197.5 kW DA From Winston-Salem; best in Danville/Martinsville area.


Have fun!

- Trip
Charlotte Co., 79 miles from Poor Mountain

Answers: Roanoke VA HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by texmex
You mean ugly, compressed, stepped-on images like these:

Image 1
Image 2
Image 3
Image 4

Oh wait - those are images from WDBJ OTA!

Sorry Bob - couldn't resist getting in a dig at multi-casting. The sat and cable co's aren't the only ones guilty of over-compressing an HDTV signal...
Wow... Those are horrible!

VARTV

Roanoke VA HDTV

Just being curious here.

What parts of the newscast are HD other than the studio cameras?

Maybe I saw them on an off night.

Alan



Quote:
Originally Posted by va tech hokie
wdbjalan,

Can you give any information as to when WDBJ News will be HD?

WSLS HD News looks very good and I would think WDBJ would not
be far behind.

Thanks, Hokie

wdbjalan

Roanoke VA HDTV

wdbjalan - This is the text of the news story Channel 10 did on itself describing what they can do in HD now and what they will be adding in the next two years.

Reprinted from Channel 10's website:

WSLS Premiers HDTV, Makes Local History
By Jay Warren / jwarren@wsls.com
Dec 12, 2007

The big debut finally happened. Wednesday, WSLS was the first television station in the Roanoke/Lynchburg market to air a half hour, local newscast in high definition. Starting with its noon newscast, all newscasts will now be high def.

HD is the next wave in technology with incredible picture quality. And even if you have an analog television your picture will now be better thanks to the conversion and new studio cameras.

Not all parts of our newscasts are HD yet. For instance, the weather graphics haven’t changed over. So when you see Ros Runner or the other Storm Team Ten members, the screen will have bars on either side of the picture. WSLS hopes to transition those weather graphics to HD in 2008.

And for the time being, when we go from the anchor to video you'll see the bars. The reason: we have to transition all of our cameras and the editing equipment to HD. That's a one million dollar project that will happen over the next couple of years. But, by the end of the year we will be able to stretch the video to fit the HD screen. That means the video won't be high def but you won't have to see these bars.

Our team has been working on this conversion for months. We may have some hiccups along the way. It's live television, television you are now seeing with much more clarity. The picture is crystal clear.

meinva

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxeng
...
The second issue, which is what prompted my reply in the first place, is how the post transition local SD will be handled by satellite.
...
I guess I'm really out of it. Analog cable ready already means nothing for those using only satellite receivers. DirecTV already trashes most of the SD and some of the HD. That is an issue now, not in the future. Dish & DirecTV could just make everybody buy new MPEG4 receivers (DirecTV is already getting ready to make HD subscribers do that in the spring), toss the SD channels entirely, and have scads of bandwidth (for the near future anyway).

Quote:
...
The FCC has now said cable can't do that, they have to provide TWO signals, one in SD, one in HD if the station presents HD content, bit for bit.
I thought that had said that a signal must be available for anlog receivers, not that it be an actual additional signal. Your next sentence sorta says that, so I guess I'm splitting hairs.
Quote:
Subchannels have yet to be decided on. How the cableco does it, down resing at the headend with two channels or down resing with a STB, is left up to the cableco.
...
The rest will get worked out post transition because quite honestly, no one has the time to deal with them right now with the transition date 14 months away and people trying to figure out how to just keep a signal available on Feb 18, 2009.
Since you'll be shifting your digital frequency that week and will likely be rather busy, I'll toast you.

Quote:
Still friends?
Sure.

Good luck in figuring out bit-for-biy equiality when DirecTV is taking your MPEG2 HD signal and converting it to MPEG4.

vstone

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdbjbob
Ouch! That's ugly. Is it always that bad at your house?
Any game on CBS still looks much better than Sunday Night Football on NBC.

darekd

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by vstone
I guess I'm really out of it. Analog cable ready already means nothing for those using only satellite receivers. DirecTV already trashes most of the SD and some of the HD. That is an issue now, not in the future. Dish & DirecTV could just make everybody buy new MPEG4 receivers (DirecTV is already getting ready to make HD subscribers do that in the spring), toss the SD channels entirely, and have scads of bandwidth (for the near future anyway).
Actually D* nor E* have said exactly how they plan on dealing with the lack of an "analog" signal post transition other than they don't have enough ATSC receivers in the field for all SD LIL markets since not all D* and E* SD LIL markets have HD LIL in them and there is a logistics issue of getting enough manpower to get them installed before Feb 17, 2009. It would appear that with about 30 million MPEG2 only DBS receivers between D* and E*, they will have to continue to provide a SD MPEG2 signal for the foreseeable future for all of those receivers while they phase MPEG2 out so both services will not be able to reclaim the MPEG2 bandwidth until well after the transition date. DBS will have to down res any HD signal to SD to keep those legacy receivers running unless they want to change them all out wholesale and neither one seems to want to spend that kind of money or to force 30 million receivers to go dark at one time like that would spell subscriber revolt and they aren't going to do that while maintaining their separate HD MPEG4 streams.

Quote:
Since you'll be shifting your digital frequency that week and will likely be rather busy, I'll toast you.
Well honestly, anyone who waits until the week of Feb 17, 2009 to do the conversions will be about 6 months too late in starting. I know in my own case, we have been thinking about the transition time well before the Feb 17, 2009 date was even announced. Even though at this time we do not have a finalized time frame when piece A goes into equipment B yet, but we have a framework in place of we know what has to take place and how we can do it and stay on the air so on Feb 17, 2009 so it is just a "simple process" of just flipping one switch off and flip another switch on. In practice it isn't quite that simple, but that is the goal and I think we have the builidng blocks in place to make that happen, but I suspect things will get busy starting next spring to make the Feb 17, 2009 date for everyone.

Even stations who are staying on their digital channels will have things to do as well. Some stations will have to change location of the digital antenna from below the analog antenna to where the analog antenna is currently located or other items that will improve the digital signal on their digital channel. All stations will be removing old analog equipment post Feb 17, 2009 so it is a process that could run over a year in cases. As the old saying goes, the devil is in the details!

Quote:
Good luck in figuring out bit-for-biy equiality when DirecTV is taking your MPEG2 HD signal and converting it to MPEG4.
So far they are. When comparing the OTA versus the MPEG4 conversion, it is extremely close. They are doing a better job than I had excepted and they seem to be staying on top of any problems that develop. On several occassions we had some issues develop on our end and they were on the phone asking if we had a problem or did they. So far I am pretty happy with the HD LIL service.

foxeng

Roanoke VA HDTV

Well Comcast here in Lexington/Buena Vista added the HD channels that were rumored today.

I think I counted 32 total we now have.

kantonburg

Roanoke VA HDTV

Comcast in Blacksburg has added the new HD channels to it's line-up.

Here's the updated channel list:

WBRA - 704 (PBSHD)
CBSHD - 707 (local CBS)
FOXHD - 708 (local FOX)
NBCHD - 710 (local NBC)
ABCHD - 712 (local ABC)
CWHD - 713 (local CW)
HBOHD - 750 (HBO)
SHOHD - 751 (Showtime)
STRHD - 752 (Starz)
MAXHD - 753 (Cinemax)
CNNHD - 756 (CNN News)
USAHD - 758 (USA Network)
SCIHD - 759 (Sci-Fi Channel)
HISHD - 761 (History Channel)
DSCHD - 763 (Discovery Channel)
APLHD - 764 (Animal Planet)
TLCHD - 765 (The Learning Channel)
FNHD - 767 (Food Network)
HGTVD - 768 (Home & Garden)
AEHD - 769 (A&E)
MHD - 770 (Music: HD)
UNIHD - 771 (Universal HD)
ESPHD - 772 (ESPN)
ESPH2 - 773 (ESPN 2)
MOJO - 774 (Mojo)
TNTHD - 775 (TNT)
DSCHD - 776 (Discovery HD)
HGCHD - 777 (National Geographic Channel)
NFLHD - 778 (NFL Network)
CSNHD - 779 (Comcast SportsNet)
TBSHD - 780 (TBS)
VSHD - 781 (Golf Channel)

Reverenddave

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jgurley
I went back on the roof this past weekend trying to find a location where I could pull in Fox 27 and wasn't successful. I'm beginning to think I'm the only person who gets his best signals from my attic mount. On the roof (all the areas I could reach without risking life and limb) I either lost or greatly reduced the signals I currently receive from the other networks. This time the only difference I tried was to reduce the length of my cable run from about 120 feet to 50 feet. If I remember correctly, the only difference this time was I was able to get a signals from 7, 10 and 15 at one area of the roof where last time there were none.

A signal for Fox is out there for me, just not strong enough to lock on. My old receiver measured Fox in the low to mid 60s and needed 80 to lock on. My new receiver, while having a scale of 0 - 100 apparently doesn't show signals below 50 (at least I've never seen one) but will lock on at 50 or above. Also, on the night when Boston College played at Tech if you remember it was really raining and surprise, surprise I got a lock on Fox for the first time. As soon as the weather cleared I lost the signal.

What would cause this? If the rain was attenuating the signal allowing me to pick it up, then I'm in trouble because I've tried attenuating by 6db and lost everything. On the other hand if the bad weather caused the Fox signal to bounce off the clouds in some way allowing me to pick it up, there may be some hope.

Here's my main question. I came across one web site with a chart showing signal loss cause by cable length and according to it I'm loosing about 7-8 db because of the 120 feet of cable I'm using. If I reduce this to about 60 feet (the best I can do) what's the chance this would work for me?

Once again, any help would be appreciated.

P.S. I've tried other antennas (yagi and 8-bay) and nothing works better than the one I have. Channel Master Stealthtenna 3010, amplified 15db.
Joel,
You using an inline amp? Or an antenna preamp??

Inline prolly wont help. I got a CM7777 at the store for sale,

fred

fredinva

Roanoke VA HDTV

All new Comcast HD channels verified in Martinsville, but no picture on Comcast Sports HD. Is that a premium channel?

vstone

Roanoke VA HDTV

All of those HD channels were added in Pulaski yesterday as well. Although we are having some problems with some. No sound on Comcast sports, and some pixel's on most of the others. I did notice that the local channel is now very snowy to the point it you can't watch it, I know why would you want to. I just wonder if they are taking that channel off the analog to free up more spectrum.

abx

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by vstone
All new Comcast HD channels verified in Martinsville, but no picture on Comcast Sports HD. Is that a premium channel?
I got picture but no sound on Comcast Sports HD in Blacksburg.

Reverenddave

Roanoke VA HDTV

I think WDBJ-DT is off the air. I'm getting nothing out of them or WBRA analog. Weather-related?

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA
I think WDBJ-DT is off the air. I'm getting nothing out of them or WBRA analog. Weather-related?

- Trip

In Lynchburg, Im not getting WDBJ or WSLS HD channels. Getting all of the FOX and WB channels (17 and 20) as well as WSET and PAX. So I wouldn't think it would be an antena problem.

crockem

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by crockem
In Lynchburg, Im not getting WDBJ or WSLS HD channels. Getting all of the FOX and WB channels (17 and 20) as well as WSET and PAX. So I wouldn't think it would be an antena problem.
WDBJ is back. I never lost WSLS, not that I checked frequently.

WBRA analog is still out, digital is still on.

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

I'm getting both DBJ and SLS...and FOX in HD...but bad break-ups on them all, here in Lynchburg. I figure it must be the wind and weather playing havoc with the signal.

jtcrusader

Roanoke VA HDTV

hey Trip.

As I understand we had 2 problems.

1- Ice. My TX engineer Steve was reducing power all night and into the morning. Ice on the antenna. Ice makes VSWR ( or reflected power _ more or less ) go way up. The only way to stay on the air is to reduce power.

2- Power. The power (AEP) has been up and down since last night.

Weather related. Snow is usually not bad. Ice just KILLS all of us on the Mountain. I would safely say WSLS's problems are the same as ours.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA
I think WDBJ-DT is off the air. I'm getting nothing out of them or WBRA analog. Weather-related?

- Trip

wdbjalan

Roanoke VA HDTV

Great explanation. Thanks for letting us know.

jtcrusader

Roanoke VA HDTV

Don't you guys have a generator, though, for outages like that? Or is it only for the analog?

I don't think I caught it when the power was being turned down, because the signal was gone completely. In fact, my WinTV-D was giving a carrier offset which implied an analog was present.

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

I know this isn't a tv technical help forum ( I already posted on the AVS technical forum for rear projection http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=956408), but if anyone understands picture quality issues with rear projection please let me know so I can contact you offline or email you pictures to describe my issue.

Sorry for posting it on the Reception site, but I am very frustrated and I alot of you have more knowlege than I do.

PLEASE HELP

It would be greatly appreciated.

Also I did get WDBJ and WSLS back later last night

Thanks
Lew B

crockem

Roanoke VA HDTV

Hey Fred, thanks for the offer but my antenna has an internal (built in) preamp (15db) so I don't know how I would get the 7777 to work.

jgurley

Roanoke VA HDTV

Yes, I noticed them too this weekend. So far they look great. I've been experiencing some audio dropouts lately on MusicHD.

I went to a friends house the other day and they just have the 'expanded basic' cable on Comcast. I thought for sure they would still be able to pull in the HD channels via their clear QAM tuner. We tried tuning them in every which way but loose, and it was totally unsuccessful. I have the Digital Basic package and I can pull these in without my SciAtl 8300HD box even connected, simply using my built in LG HDTV tuner.

Does anyone know what could be the problem? I was under the impression you were allowed to get clear QAM HDTV channels with just the basic cable subscription.

Thanks!

onestep

Roanoke VA HDTV

Finally had a chance to see WSLS news over the weekend (I normally always watch WDBJ7 as I find them more informative and less sensationalized).

Anyhow looked very good. Only strange thing was where the weather forecast had side bars on the map graphics - the meteorologist actually stood in front of the side bars. Very strange. But I'm sure the only way they can currently do it and have the weather map fit in the 4:3 area for the SD version of the broadcast.

Its great seeing WSLS finally em brassing HDTV more.

Chris Loker

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Loker
Anyhow looked very good. Only strange thing was where the weather forecast had side bars on the map graphics - the meteorologist actually stood in front of the side bars. Very strange. But I'm sure the only way they can currently do it and have the weather map fit in the 4:3 area for the SD version of the broadcast.
You are correct.

Up here in the Cleveland market, a couple of the HD news stations (all four major operations have HD studios) that haven't updated their graphics to HD do the same thing. It's a bit unnerving, but you get used to it.

I'm glad to see HD news start lighting up the Roanoke/Lynchburg market, too - which has been a leader in HD for a market its size for a long time.

Inundated

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by meinva
Reprinted from Channel 10's website:
But, by the end of the year we will be able to stretch the video to fit the HD screen. That means the video won't be high def but you won't have to see these bars.
Uggh, I wish they wouldn't do that. Don't stretch SD, it'll just confuse people. Leave aspect ratios alone.

appleye1

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdbjalan
hey Trip.

As I understand we had 2 problems.

1- Ice. My TX engineer Steve was reducing power all night and into the morning. Ice on the antenna. Ice makes VSWR ( or reflected power _ more or less ) go way up. The only way to stay on the air is to reduce power.

2- Power. The power (AEP) has been up and down since last night.

Weather related. Snow is usually not bad. Ice just KILLS all of us on the Mountain. I would safely say WSLS's problems are the same as ours.
Ice Follow Up....

For those of you who have never seen how thick the ice gets on top of POOR MOUNTAIN, here are a few pictures from "The Archive" of POOR MOUNTAIN ice pictures. The "poor mtn 4.jpg" picture was featured as a "Weather Picture of the Day" on that same web site back in 2003. And yes..WFXR was at reduced power until 2:00 PM on Sunday for both analog and digital.

FOX TV

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quick question for you guys.

I live in Blacksburg, and I'm sick and tired of not being able to watch NBC in HD thru Adelphia Cable. How much would I have to spend on an antenna so I could pull the over the air signal?

mmorasch

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA
That puts WBVA out of the picture for technical reasons. It might put WDRL out for financial reasons (although, I recall being told that they wanted to do HD when the Smith Mountain signal came on, so who knows).
Don't count out WBVA. Remember, they do have two full-power sticks, and they could do that once-planned split between 21 and 27...one of them carrying FOX and one carrying the CW/WBVA.

(No, this isn't a question to our resident FOX 21/27 engineer...I know it's not your department. )

And obviously, the CW folks are gonna have to affiliate with SOMEONE in the market. If neither provider can do HD, they'll have to land somewhere. Roanoke/Lynchburg isn't the only market in this position.

Inundated

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inundated
Don't count out WBVA. Remember, they do have two full-power sticks, and they could do that once-planned split between 21 and 27...one of them carrying FOX and one carrying the CW/WBVA...
I did forget about WJPR/21. I'm not too familiar with the area... Is it because of terrain???

VARTV

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by VARTV
I did forget about WJPR/21. I'm not too familiar with the area... Is it because of terrain???
I'd presume so. 27's on Poor Mountain and aimed at Roanoke...21's in Bedford, I think (Thaxton?) and aimed at Lynchburg.

At one point a couple of years or three ago, they were planning on splitting the simulcast, keeping 27 with FOX, and launching WB on 21. They abandoned the idea after starting up "WBVA" via cable and DTV.

Inundated

Roanoke VA HDTV

(copied and pasted from my message at Radio-Info)

They claim that there are places where WJPR can be seen that WFXR can't. I have yet to find one of those places. WFXR (then-WVFT) was originally bought to repeat the poor signal of WJPR.

Some will say otherwise, but WJPR's signal is awful. Running a peanut-shaped directional pattern that puts too much signal over Lynchburg (signal from WFXR looks better in Lynchburg to me due to WJPR ghosting and such) and doesn't totally cover Roanoke due to mountains, puts almost no signal toward Danville, or north into the mountains where a signal boost might actually be needed.

WFXR should be the Fox station as Fox 27, as the original split plan indicated. However, I think it would violate FCC rules to split them up. WDBJ can't buy WPXR due to those rules. Right now, Grant Media has a waiver of the rules because they claim that WJPR and WFXR fill in each others holes in coverage.

=====

For the record, here's some Recnet predicted coverage maps:

WFXR-DT from Poor Mountain at full power (on the air soon)
http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/goo_curves.php?data=37.196|80.154|400|594|DT|71182|17|0|3

WJPR-DS from Thaxton Mountain (STA)
http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/goo_curves.php?data=37.321|79.633|186.3|500.3|DT|42446|20|0| 3

WDRL-DT's new transmitter from Smith Mountain (on the air soon)
http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/goo_curves.php?data=37.01|79.571|43|378|DT|70854|41|0|3

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

"HOLY DIGITAL PIXELS, BATMAN"!!!

Normally I get a 49% digital signal from FOX 27 - no picture with my 811 and CM 4228.

For some reason, this morning I'm getting an 85% very watchable signal.
Is FOX testing full power, OR is the light snow playing/helping my digital pixels??

fred

fredinva

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
"HOLY DIGITAL PIXELS, BATMAN"!!!

Normally I get a 49% digital signal from FOX 27 - no picture with my 811 and CM 4228.

For some reason, this morning I'm getting an 85% very watchable signal.
Is FOX testing full power, OR is the light snow playing/helping my digital pixels??

fred
Fox 27 must be full power now. I was getting 70-75 signal, now I am getting 125 which is maxed out.

chopkins

Roanoke VA HDTV

Hello DTV fans,


Yes, it is true...FOX 21/27 Poor Mountain "FULL POWER" digital is now online. The beam on command was sent at 10:32 am, Feb 18. We are not yet at full legal power, in fact we are only running about 85 % for a few days until we see if there are any interference complaints, before we go "FULL POWER".

We normally run our analog transmitters at 90 to 95 %, so this will be the set power level for the digital also, unless we see a reason to go higher. The transmitter is capable of much more than our assigned power level.

I would love to get signal strength reports from anyone who cares to take the time to do so. Send reports via e-mail to robert@fox2127.com . Please include your location, type of antenna used, and relative signal strength, as compared to your previous levels. You may also mention what type of receiving equipment you use. Your informational input will be appreciated

FOX TV

Roanoke VA HDTV

As of 4:21, I have a medium strength signal on WFXR-DT using a CM 4228 roof mounted with a 15db pre-amp on the north side of Greensboro. Good job, FOX TV!!

EDIT- Spoke too soon. At 6:56pm WFXR-DT is breaking up pretty bad now in Greensboro. It is out more than it is in.

foxeng

Roanoke VA HDTV

Sitting here in Charlotte County, 79 miles out...

All of these are attached to my Winegard PR-8800 roof antenna with 25db amp.

Hauppauge WinTV-D
BEFORE = Often borderline at 15.5 db (that's pretty much the cut off). Would break up or be downright unwatchable most of the time
AFTER = Meter's maxed out at 21.4 db
(note that it measures the SNR in db on a 27-point scale, from -10.9 db to 21.4 db, so a 16 db, the minimum, is ACTUALLY 27 db)

Zenith HDV420
BEFORE = Sat at 30% most of the time, unwatchable (33% was the minimum)
AFTER = Meter is maxed out.
(also tested with Zenith Silver Sensor and no amp, which used to provide 0% signal, now provides 40% without doing more than aiming it in the general direction of the west)

DVICO FusionHDTV5-USB (with LG fifth-gen chip!)
BEFORE = Borderline. Would sit between 60-70% (which means it would decode with lots of breakups).
AFTER = Have yet to test. I don't feel like getting into Windows to check.

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

Hi all,
I'm brand spanking new to HD, just found this awesome site and am looking for some advice. I have a Toshiba 56H80 set that is about 4 years old, been a subscriber to D* with a regular DVR for 3.5 years and have been very happy with the picture. I got bitten by the HD bug after watching the Super Bowl on a friends setup, so I ordered the D* H10-250 HD-DVR with an OTA antenna. The installers came yesterday and immediatly said that I should forget the antenna, because it was useless. It was disc-shaped and attached to the D* dish. Anyways, a few observations:
The Hd picture is good, not mind-blowing but definitely crisper. The local channels are much worse, not sure why. The rest of the D* channels appear to not be as clear as before.
I went to BestBuy today and bought an OTA antenna, specifically the TERK HDTVa. I can get WBRA 15 thru 15.5 at about 75%. WBRA 15.5 looks amazing, the rest of the locals are unrecievable at between 8-20%. The TERK will be returned tomorrow.

Now, for my questions. Should I exchange the TERK for another indoor antenna, or just plan on putting up an outside antenna? I live in North Roanoke county and the results from antennaweb are as follows:

Poor Mountain transmitters are 229 degrees at between 11.7 and 12.4 miles.
WSET in Thaxton is 100 degrees at 20.5 miles.

I live in a slight valley without line of sight to either location. I'm an air traffic controller and understand how LOS works with radar and radio transmissions, but not with TV signals. Could anyone here give me some advice as to whether I'll have any luck at all with an indoor antenna, and if not, what outdoor antennas would be adequate?

Thanx for any and all suggestions in advance. BTW the BestBuy salespeople in ROA are completely clueless and no help at all.

WD

Wolfdog

Roanoke VA HDTV

Welcome WD,

But first, A BIG THANK YOU TO FOX27 and all their work!!!!!!

WD - yep the clip on dish antenna is junk. Any indoor in North Cty-Roanoke is hit-or-miss.

You might try a RS fringe combo uhf/vhf in your attic, (but attics do tend to lose 20 to 40 percent of signal. I suggest a combo in order to get 7, 10, 15, and 27 in HD - WBRA is on ch 3 vhf, the rest on uhf. If it doesn't work, take it back too. You will probably never get WSET13 from where you are w/o a rotor.

Or, go to Jerry at M&W Electronics on Williamson rd and get a CM 4228 for UHF only.

fred

fredinva

Roanoke VA HDTV

FOX TV

I live in Salem near Hidden Valley CC
Use a VOOM receiver for OTA only (this receiver needs a reading of 85 or better for reception)
Stealthtenna 3010 mounted in attic
Previous strength was in the low 20s
New strength in the low 70s and still not getting picture

Very interesting for me to note that prior to FOX27 powering up, I was consistently getting 86-88 from both WSLS and WDBJ even in poor weather. Tonight both of these channels have dropped out or with much pixilation with signals in the low to mid 80s for me. I'm hoping this is purely coincidental and will return to "normal" strength for me, but wonder if FOX27 in somehow effecting the signals from these other networks.

P.S. I'm really going to be POd if I no longer can receive WSLS/WDBJ because of your station!

jgurley

Roanoke VA HDTV

Regarding the Fox power boost....

I have had mixed results. My HD DirectTivo went from 72-75 to 92-95 on signal strength and is working great.

I have a windows media center with two tuners, ATI HD Wonder and an Avermedia A180. Media center show signal strenght from 1 to 5 green bars. I was getting 4 bars, sometimes 3 before the power boost. I am not getting 5 bars but neither of the tuners will lock on the signal. I am getting an error stating:

No TV signal
There is currently no TV signal detected for this channel. The channel may be temporarily off-the-air, or you may need to adjust or reconnect you TV antenna.

NBC, CBS, PAX (I), are still coming in fine but I can't tune in Fox anymore, which really stinks with 24 coming on Monday night.

I sent an email to the address on the post from the Fox rep.

Is there anyone else tuning HD with media centers having the same problem?

Thanks,

Jeff

jeffscott72

Roanoke VA HDTV

Just thought I'd inform everyone that I get the Fox OTA signal GREAT here in Radford. I'm getting around 85% this morning.

I'm as giddy as a child on Xmas morning...I get Fox HD and TNT HD (DirecTV) in one weekend!

BigEHokie

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffscott72
NBC, CBS, PAX (I), are still coming in fine but I can't tune in Fox anymore, which really stinks with 24 coming on Monday night.
Offhand thought - have you tried rescanning on the computers that don't get the signal? I don't *think* they changed anything PSIP wise with the power upgrade, but maybe they did earlier, and you didn't see it until now.

The "5 bar signal but no lock" phenomenon looks like that to me.

Inundated

Roanoke VA HDTV

I ran through the MCE TV setup several times last night. I also downloaded the lastest drivers for the ATI and Avermedia tuner. I orderded the DVICO FusionHDTV Gold USB tuner today. I will see if it does any better once it comes in.

I guess in a worst case scenerio I can reload the pc from scratch again. This idea doesn't really excite me too much as it such a paing to get it setup right.
I can't do anything drastic like that until the olympics is over.

Am I the only one here using MCE to record OTA signals. I'm just curious is someone else's mce box can still get Fox. It so strange, NBC, CBS and PAX are working fine.

I havent changed a thing on the computer. The only new software that get loaded on it is windows/antivirus/antispyware updates.

Any input is appreciated. I'll post again if something changes or if the DVICO works when I get it. I plan on using it on my notebook too, since it is portable.

Jeff

jeffscott72

Roanoke VA HDTV

After sleeping on this thing I've a bit of a different attitude today. It's certainly good that more people in the Valley (and NRV too) will be able to receive FOX now that you're powering up on Poor Mtn.

Now I don't understand why my signals from WSLS/WDBJ went down; and it just happened for me I lost those pictures altogether. The worst that is going to happen is from my end I'll have to do some readjusting.

Here's the latest update:

FOX27...66 (last night it was 70-72) and no picture

WSLS...85 and I have my picture back

WDBJ...87 and I have my picture back

It's interesting again to note that as the FOX signal went down, the other Poor Mtn. signals went up. Wonder what's going on?

jgurley

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jgurley
It's interesting again to note that as the FOX signal went down, the other Poor Mtn. signals went up. Wonder what's going on?
I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that it's antenna placement, combined with the fact that DT 17 is directional. (See the FOX guy's explanation on that earlier in the thread.)

If you can get that thing out of the attic and on the roof somehow (I know, may not be possible), you'll probably be golden for all the stations. Or heck, even out a window or something. You just haven't found the "sweet spot" yet.

Inundated

Roanoke VA HDTV

No WFXR-DT in Greensboro.

foxeng

Roanoke VA HDTV

I live in Forest. I have a Terk TV-5 in my basement and up until today have been able to get and can still get WDBJ, WSLS, WSET, never have been able to get WBRA. I don't know when this started but my set (Samsung TXR-3079WH) keeps bouncing between 17.3, 21-1, 21-3 and 27-1 so I can't get a stable picture on WFXR or WJPR, don't know if it's my set, my antenna or the fact that the power has been boosted.

curly67

Roanoke VA HDTV

One more time, with feeling... try rescanning for WFXR. (No, not you, foxeng...you're likely on the edge of even the upgraded signal. )

As far as the Terk goes...it's likely a piece of junk, and putting the antenna in the basement is never, ever a good idea. If you can, somehow, get it outside or at very least out the highest window in your home, you'll get MUCH better reception.

Inundated

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inundated
One more time, with feeling... try rescanning for WFXR. (No, not you, foxeng...you're likely on the edge of even the upgraded signal. )
I KNOW I am BEYOND the 41 dBu signal!! If I get anything, that is a success.

foxeng

Roanoke VA HDTV

jeffscott72, Im having the same problem you are, black screen on 27-1 and 27-2. After the fox antenna went up, signal jumped from around max of 65 to 91%. was getting both 27-1 and 27-2 fine before. Im using an ati hdtv wonder with a 16 element no name yagi antenna indoors (using indoors for now because its too cold to get the chimney mount installed). Im using win xp pro, not using mce so the only thing I think we have in common is the ati hdtv wonder. Tried rescanning. Tried using watchhdtv software and can only get a picture when I tune in 27-1, but it actually tunes in picture from 27-2, tried tuning 27-2 and get a black screen. Anyone here using a ati hdtv wonder that can actually tune in fox hd after the upgrade?

edit: I rebooted, erased channels.txt from watchhdtv folder, tried tuning in 17-1 from setup screen and got fox hd in perfect, closed watchhdtv and tried opening with dtv app from ati, black screen on both. Tried opening watchhdtv again, it started tuning in 17-2 picture on 17-1, no pic on 17-2. Tried rebooting and deleting channels.txt again, still tuning in WB as 17-1 so not sure why it tuned in fox that one time but havent gotten it to work again.

brooksto

Roanoke VA HDTV

This may sound stupid, but I wonder if has anything to do with the broadcast flag. Last I heard it was temporarily shot down. Both my tuners were purchased before June of 2005 which I believe was the month the BF was going to be enforced.

I decided to reload anyway. I'm in the middle of the process right now. If I get fox back I'll let everyone know.

Jeff

jeffscott72

Roanoke VA HDTV

interesting thought, my hdtv wonder is pre 6/05 as well, but I thought that fact would prevent issues like this.

brooksto

Roanoke VA HDTV

Still does the samething after a new install and running through the setup wizard for the firsrt time. I'll have to call Fox tomorrow and see what they have to say.

jeffscott72

Roanoke VA HDTV

did you try using watchhdtv program to tune 17-1? I could at least get a picture from wb that way. Can get same from the ati dtv application when adding 17-1, but no pic from the 27-1 and 27-2 channels it adds after I click on 17-1, presumably it detects those two from the psip info. Im going to try installing the original ati drivers and see if that makes a difference.

edit: installed original ati wonder drivers, tried tuning in 17-1 and got fox. tried tuning in 17-2 and no picture, tried going back to 17-1 and now its showing the wb feed. tried reinstalling drivers again but its still just bringing up the wb feed. Im not sure why its correctly brought up fox twice now but as soon as you tune away and try going back its gone and its not repeatable the times ive gotten fox to come in. Im thinking they changed somthing in the psip info and it cant determine between the two feeds.

brooksto

Roanoke VA HDTV

I had the same results with watchhdtv.

jeffscott72

Roanoke VA HDTV

Maybe FOX 21/27/17/20 ( ) is struggling with non-related PSIP issues. You'll notice we haven't seen their representative here since the power went up!

Drop Robert an E-Mail note at that address above, and let him know all this. I don't think it's a signal issue here.

Inundated

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jgurley
bluemoonshine, Welcome to the forum and the world of HD. I live in Salem, across the city from you near Hidden Valley CC and can get all OTAs except 27. It's a little surprising you can pick up ABC and not CW since the antennas are next to each other in Thaxton. But then again, that's part of the wonderful world of OTA.
As I've mentioned (and FOX TV clarified), the WWCW-DT signal is much weaker than the WSET-DT signal, despite the similar location and power. Where I live (when I'm not at UVA), I can get WSET-DT with my Silver Sensor antenna indoors, but not WWCW-DT. In fact, WWCW-DT is the only of the UHF digitals in the market that I cannot receive with my indoor antenna aside from WDRL-DT, which I can't get with my roof antenna either.

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA
As I've mentioned (and FOX TV clarified), the WWCW-DT signal is much weaker than the WSET-DT signal, despite the similar location and power.
Well, that just proves the hit and miss aspect of OTA reception. I get both ABC and WWCW at the same signal strengh. Go figure.

jgurley

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by FOX TV
The answer to that depends on which transmitter site you are receiving from. The Thaxton site ( WWCW 21-2 ) is the only source for CW in HD. If you were receiving the CW signal from POOR MOUINTAIN, then you would be receiving the CW SD feed.

Here is a guide to our signals which are arranged as follows; from POOR MOUNTAIN you would be able to receive channel 27 analog with FOX programming. From the POOR MOUNTAIN digital realm you can receive FOX network programming in HD 720P on 27-1 virtual channel ( RF channel is 17, which yields 17-3 FOX HD and 17-4 CW SD ).


From the Thaxton / Bedford transmitter you would be able to receive channel 21 analog with FOX programming. From the Thaxton / Bedford digital realm you can receive CW network programming in HD 1080 I on 21-2 virtual channel ( RF channel is 20, which yields 20-3 FOX SD and 20-4 CW HD 1080 I ).

I hope this clears up any confusion that our channel arrangement may cause.
I'm receiving CW on 21-2 and I know that some other shows are in HD on this channel.

Thank you for taking time to respond to my message.

darekd

Roanoke VA HDTV

Hope this is the right forum for this question. In short - DirecTV w/HR20-700. Audio only drop outs on OTA 7-1. 10-1 and 13-1 are fine. The drop outs may once a minute for about 2 - 3 seconds. Just enough to be annoying.

According to Alan Novitsky of WDBJ, "Hi. Your question about the audio being different from the video.. No, EVERYTHING, including our 7.2 channel is in ONE bit stream. That's what didn't make any sense to me - you said the video was fine. Yep, all in one stream. You are either going to reliably decode the bit pattern or not"

"The only thing I remember reading was a number of years ago, I seem to recall an issue with certain Direct TV HD receivers and problems related to stations using Harmonic ( company ) encoders. We use Harmonic encoders, and so does WBRA. I don't believe anyone else in this market does."

Any idea on why the audio only dropout on only 7-1 HD OTA?

Thanks in advance,
Rob @ Lynchburg

cage22

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cage22
Hope this is the right forum for this question. In short - DirecTV w/HR20-700. Audio only drop outs on OTA 7-1. 10-1 and 13-1 are fine. The drop outs may once a minute for about 2 - 3 seconds. Just enough to be annoying.

According to Alan Novitsky of WDBJ, "Hi. Your question about the audio being different from the video.. No, EVERYTHING, including our 7.2 channel is in ONE bit stream. That's what didn't make any sense to me - you said the video was fine. Yep, all in one stream. You are either going to reliably decode the bit pattern or not"

"The only thing I remember reading was a number of years ago, I seem to recall an issue with certain Direct TV HD receivers and problems related to stations using Harmonic ( company ) encoders. We use Harmonic encoders, and so does WBRA. I don't believe anyone else in this market does."

Any idea on why the audio only dropout on only 7-1 HD OTA?

Thanks in advance,
Rob @ Lynchburg
Have you tried bypassing the DTV box to see if the problem persists?

I had severe tiling / dropouts this week watching some of the new shows on Jetbroadband HD. I had recorded the shows, and found when replaying them that the picture is fine off the HDD. The broadcast was fine, box output was screwed up.

stevenmh

Roanoke VA HDTV

Thanks Steve. Didn't think of that. I'll try it and let you know. Probably tomorrow. Any others with suggestions - I'll try anything twice.

cage22

Roanoke VA HDTV

What's going on with CW-HD?

Just finished watching the Smallville premier on 21.2, except it WASN'T IN HD. I mean, broadcast info still says 1080i, but the broadcast had about 6" black bar all around, and was obviously SD. Toggled between 21.2 and 27.2, and there's no difference ?? !!

I'm getting all the locals in HD through Jetbroadband except CW... spent a Saturday moving the antenna from the attic to the roof and routing coax... then several evenings last week getting it grounded per NEC requirements... all for Smallville and Supernatural. Oh, how this hurts. Can someone explain what's going on? Is Supernatural going to be SD-picture-via-1080i-signal next week as well? Both these shows were HD when I watched last season's finales... what happened?

*weeps bitterly*

stevenmh

Roanoke VA HDTV

It seems that the problem with CW HD has been going for over a week. Gossip Girls last week and this week were in SD. Reaper today was also in SD. Yes, I do watch HD version of CW on 21-2.

darekd

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cage22
Hope this is the right forum for this question. In short - DirecTV w/HR20-700. Audio only drop outs on OTA 7-1. 10-1 and 13-1 are fine. The drop outs may once a minute for about 2 - 3 seconds. Just enough to be annoying.

According to Alan Novitsky of WDBJ, "Hi. Your question about the audio being different from the video.. No, EVERYTHING, including our 7.2 channel is in ONE bit stream. That's what didn't make any sense to me - you said the video was fine. Yep, all in one stream. You are either going to reliably decode the bit pattern or not"

"The only thing I remember reading was a number of years ago, I seem to recall an issue with certain Direct TV HD receivers and problems related to stations using Harmonic ( company ) encoders. We use Harmonic encoders, and so does WBRA. I don't believe anyone else in this market does."

Any idea on why the audio only dropout on only 7-1 HD OTA?

Thanks in advance,
Rob @ Lynchburg
I have HR20-100 and I don't have any problems with 7-1 and I do watch this channel very often - all CSIs, NCIS, football and more.

darekd

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by darekd
I have HR20-100 and I don't have any problems with 7-1 and I do watch this channel very often - all CSIs, NCIS, football and more.
Darek - Thanks for the input. I'm going to try what Steve said connecting straight to my TV bypassing the box.

I think I have the HR20-700. Anyone out there can attest to getting 7-1 audio dropouts with a HR20-700.

cage22

Roanoke VA HDTV

Does anyone know if Raycom is broadcasting football in HD this year. I guess this is the only time I have thought about it since Tech is playing on there today.

Thanks

crockem

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by crockem
Does anyone know if Raycom is broadcasting football in HD this year. I guess this is the only time I have thought about it since Tech is playing on there today.

Thanks
Hmm.. That's a good question. I remember I did a Raycom HD test and everything was fine on our end. But I don't know if enough stations were able to get it. I have been so busy with our news conversion to tapeless, I can't remember if Raycom was going to offer HD or not. I would assume if they did we would carry it. We take everything in HD that we can. I'll try to find out when I get back - I am in the Portland Or. airport as I type this.

Alan

wdbjalan

Roanoke VA HDTV

wdbjalan,
Is it just me, or is WDBJ broadcasting 4:3 programming with grey bars on the digital channel?

Also, does anyone else have NTC in the Blacksburg area? I just bought a HDTV for my apartment and am only getting NBC and CBS local HD channels. I could expect them to not provide HBO HD or ESPN HD, but how could they leave out Fox and ABC local digital channels... Lack of HD on top of crappy internet; how could they get any worse?

hypoh

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypoh
wdbjalan,
Is it just me, or is WDBJ broadcasting 4:3 programming with grey bars on the digital channel?

Also, does anyone else have NTC in the Blacksburg area? I just bought a HDTV for my apartment and am only getting NBC and CBS local HD channels. I could expect them to not provide HBO HD or ESPN HD, but how could they leave out Fox and ABC local digital channels... Lack of HD on top of crappy internet; how could they get any worse?
I had them until they switched the tv service from adelphia to Dish Network in my apartment. You could get the four main networks plus a few other hd channels with a qam tuner. Now I have an antenna in the attic above my apartment and get all four main networks over the air.

If your hdtv has a atsc tuner you can try hooking up a uhf antenna and see if you can get fox and abc. It will depend on what floor you are on and what direction you are facing if you can receive them.

begglest

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by begglest
I had them until they switched the tv service from adelphia to Dish Network in my apartment. You could get the four main networks plus a few other hd channels with a qam tuner. Now I have an antenna in the attic above my apartment and get all four main networks over the air.

If your hdtv has a atsc tuner you can try hooking up a uhf antenna and see if you can get fox and abc. It will depend on what floor you are on and what direction you are facing if you can receive them.
Bahh... filtered Dish Network is the worst. I doubt my roomates would be willing to spend the extra for satellite. If I move next year, it is definitely to a place with Comcast. I'll try buying a UHF antenna, but I'm on the first floor. I also have my coax connected directly to the TV now, and having two inputs might be a problem unless I can find a way to have them both connected at once.

My TV has NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners btw.

hypoh

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypoh
Bahh... filtered Dish Network is the worst. I doubt my roomates would be willing to spend the extra for satellite. If I move next year, it is definitely to a place with Comcast. I'll try buying a UHF antenna, but I'm on the first floor. I also have my coax connected directly to the TV now, and having two inputs might be a problem unless I can find a way to have them both connected at once.

My TV has NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners btw.
Do you have an antenna input and a cable input on your tv. I have a button on my remote to switch between the two inputs.

begglest

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by begglest
Do you have an antenna input and a cable input on your tv. I have a button on my remote to switch between the two inputs.
Nope, only one input for both.

hypoh

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypoh
wdbjalan,
Is it just me, or is WDBJ broadcasting 4:3 programming with grey bars on the digital channel?

No, it's just not you. This is the *upconverter*. HD content will be broadcast in HD 16:9 whenever available. The rest of the time, it is the 7.0 ( NTSC 7 ) upconverted. Programming on 7.0 and 7.1 are mirrored. ( 99 % of the time ).
There are occasionally some discrepancies. What you are seeing is the programming we are airing in SD that is NOT AVAILABLE in HD for any number of reasons. This must go thru what is called an Upconverter to change 480 NTSC into a 1080i format. It's NOT 1080i but it is a 1080i format.
The grey bars represent 50% average picture. Back 5+ years ago when we built the new building and launched HD before the mandated F.C.C. deadline - in which many stations ignored - there was primarily still *CRT* HD sets, projection or CRT. The grey comes from our decision to follow *consumer* HDTV's that placed GREY on the sides ( again 50% average picture level ) to help REDUCE the CRT burn-in factor with either black ( 0% ave pix ) or white (100% ave pix ) on CRT based sets. 5 years later there are all kinds of new *nifty* upconverters that will place non-static moving graphics in this area. Obviously as NTSC nears it's end and HD/ATSC becomes redundant/on air 100% of the time, this 5-6 yr old gear will be replaced.

Coming to a set near you soon.

Alan

wdbjalan

Roanoke VA HDTV

Ah, now I see why grey was chosen instead of black. I have always seen black bars used in other places. Thanks.

hypoh

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by crockem
Does anyone know if Raycom is broadcasting football in HD this year. I guess this is the only time I have thought about it since Tech is playing on there today.

Thanks
It wasn't for the UVA@UNC game a few weeks ago

wokisan

Roanoke VA HDTV

Only on 7-1 WDBJ 7 - audio dropouts on HD programming. Interesting news. I plugged the OTA cable straight into the TV (Panasonic with tuner TH-50PX60U). The sound was perfect - no audio drop outs. Plugged the cable (RG6) back into the DirecTV box - and back to audio dropouts.

Another interesting thing - there was a football game on this afternoon (Sunday Sept 31) (I think Browns) that ended at 4 EST. The DirecTV box said 1080i by the front panel lights, but it didn't look it at all. And everything was pillar-box (had gray bars on left/right sides). No audio drop outs though. Hmmm...

At 4 p.m. - now, 6p.m and on, (I think scheduled through to 7:30 pm.) there's a game that truly looks HD - Steelers vs. Cardinals. Audio dropouts constantly - varying, but approximately 25 seconds and other random times. Very annoying. Just now it did it 5 times in less than 15 seconds. Same old problem.

I wrote to DirecTV a few days ago about the problem. Their response, " Thanks for writing. I apologize that you are not able to receive a clear over-the-air HD signal for CBS. I have submitted a waiver request, with your information, to the local CBS station on your behalf asking for permission to provide you with the national CBS HDTV feed. Federal law allows your local TV stations 45 days from the date that they receive your waiver request to grant or deny it. Please keep in mind that federal law -- not DIRECTV -- sets strict guidelines for receiving non-local broadcast channels, so we can't give you any guarantee that your local stations will grant the waiver request. In fact, only 1 in 5 waiver requests are granted.

As soon as we receive news - good or bad - from your local TV stations, we will mail you a post card notification. If you have the correct equipment (HD television, DIRECTV HD Receiver and a Multi-Satellite Dish) and local channels from DIRECTV, we will immediately turn on the HD network of any local station that grants you a waiver.

Thanks again for writing.

Sincerely,

John M. W2019
DIRECTV Customer Service"

I asked for the DirecTV feeds when I first got the HD DVR and was rejected by all networks.

Rob
Lynchburg, VA 24504-4380

If any of you have any further suggestions, please let me know.

cage22

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cage22
Only on 7-1 WDBJ 7 - audio dropouts on HD programming. Interesting news. I plugged the OTA cable straight into the TV (Panasonic with tuner TH-50PX60U). The sound was perfect - no audio drop outs. Plugged the cable (RG6) back into the DirecTV box - and back to audio dropouts.

Another interesting thing - there was a football game on this afternoon (Sunday Sept 31) (I think Browns) that ended at 4 EST. The DirecTV box said 1080i by the front panel lights, but it didn't look it at all. And everything was pillar-box (had gray bars on left/right sides). No audio drop outs though. Hmmm...

At 4 p.m. - now, 6p.m and on, (I think scheduled through to 7:30 pm.) there's a game that truly looks HD - Steelers vs. Cardinals. Audio dropouts constantly - varying, but approximately 25 seconds and other random times. Very annoying. Just now it did it 5 times in less than 15 seconds. Same old problem.

I wrote to DirecTV a few days ago about the problem. Their response, " Thanks for writing. I apologize that you are not able to receive a clear over-the-air HD signal for CBS. I have submitted a waiver request, with your information, to the local CBS station on your behalf asking for permission to provide you with the national CBS HDTV feed. Federal law allows your local TV stations 45 days from the date that they receive your waiver request to grant or deny it. Please keep in mind that federal law -- not DIRECTV -- sets strict guidelines for receiving non-local broadcast channels, so we can't give you any guarantee that your local stations will grant the waiver request. In fact, only 1 in 5 waiver requests are granted.

As soon as we receive news - good or bad - from your local TV stations, we will mail you a post card notification. If you have the correct equipment (HD television, DIRECTV HD Receiver and a Multi-Satellite Dish) and local channels from DIRECTV, we will immediately turn on the HD network of any local station that grants you a waiver.

Thanks again for writing.

Sincerely,

John M. W2019
DIRECTV Customer Service"

I asked for the DirecTV feeds when I first got the HD DVR and was rejected by all networks.

Rob
Lynchburg, VA 24504-4380

If any of you have any further suggestions, please let me know.
If I'm reading that right, they're suggesting the problem is your signal rather than their box. Did you inform them that there's no problem when their box is bypassed?

stevenmh

Roanoke VA HDTV

Does anyone know if Comcast in Blacksburg carries the digital locals unencrypted/in-the-clear?

Due to various factors, OTA TV reception would be difficult for me. I'm curious if I could receive the local channels' digital streams with a QAM tuner on my existing cable plan (analog 2-18 + cable modem), but not curious enough to buy a tuner without being reasonably sure it will work.

The people I've asked at Comcast don't seem to know, or they know but would really rather I just pay them more money for a digital cable package and set-top box.

Thanks.

rgodbee

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevenmh
If I'm reading that right, they're suggesting the problem is your signal rather than their box. Did you inform them that there's no problem when their box is bypassed?
Steve,

I just found this information/did this test and as a result, I e-mailed DirecTV with the results as well.

There's something about this HR20-700 box's innability to decode this somehow different audio track.

Can they fix the box? - I don't want to swap out boxes as I have a bunch recorded and programmed in my to-do list. Can they get me the national feed? Time will tell. Steve, if you have any suggestions, I'll try anything twice. : )

cage22

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cage22
Only on 7-1 WDBJ 7 - audio dropouts on HD programming. Interesting news. I plugged the OTA cable straight into the TV (Panasonic with tuner TH-50PX60U). The sound was perfect - no audio drop outs. Plugged the cable (RG6) back into the DirecTV box - and back to audio dropouts.

Another interesting thing - there was a football game on this afternoon (Sunday Sept 31) (I think Browns) that ended at 4 EST. The DirecTV box said 1080i by the front panel lights, but it didn't look it at all. And everything was pillar-box (had gray bars on left/right sides). No audio drop outs though. Hmmm...

At 4 p.m. - now, 6p.m and on, (I think scheduled through to 7:30 pm.) there's a game that truly looks HD - Steelers vs. Cardinals. Audio dropouts constantly - varying, but approximately 25 seconds and other random times. Very annoying. Just now it did it 5 times in less than 15 seconds. Same old problem.

I wrote to DirecTV a few days ago about the problem. Their response, " Thanks for writing. I apologize that you are not able to receive a clear over-the-air HD signal for CBS. I have submitted a waiver request, with your information, to the local CBS station on your behalf asking for permission to provide you with the national CBS HDTV feed. Federal law allows your local TV stations 45 days from the date that they receive your waiver request to grant or deny it. Please keep in mind that federal law -- not DIRECTV -- sets strict guidelines for receiving non-local broadcast channels, so we can't give you any guarantee that your local stations will grant the waiver request. In fact, only 1 in 5 waiver requests are granted.

As soon as we receive news - good or bad - from your local TV stations, we will mail you a post card notification. If you have the correct equipment (HD television, DIRECTV HD Receiver and a Multi-Satellite Dish) and local channels from DIRECTV, we will immediately turn on the HD network of any local station that grants you a waiver.

Thanks again for writing.

Sincerely,

John M. W2019
DIRECTV Customer Service"

I asked for the DirecTV feeds when I first got the HD DVR and was rejected by all networks.

Rob
Lynchburg, VA 24504-4380

If any of you have any further suggestions, please let me know.
I'm with NTC cable and got the football game as 4:3 a few times today as well. I assume it's just a problem on WDBJ's end and not the cable/satellite provider.

hypoh

Roanoke VA HDTV

cage22: For some reason, the HR20-100 has been consistently better at avoiding dropouts like that than the HR20-700. It could be a box issue. Once you watch all you want to, you might want to switch boxes out and see what happens.

mikemikeb

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemikeb
cage22: For some reason, the HR20-100 has been consistently better at avoiding dropouts like that than the HR20-700. It could be a box issue. Once you watch all you want to, you might want to switch boxes out and see what happens.
Mike,
Thanks for the feedback.
Is the 100 series newer?
What's the difference betwen the two?
So audio dropouts on the 700 is a known issue?

cage22

Roanoke VA HDTV

Yeah, the 100 series is apparently newer, from what I've read. D* officialy states that it runs cooler than the 700 series, but that's pretty much it. Apparently, there are other mods there that make it better.

Some with 700s have experienced periodic dropouts where they don't with other MPEG2 decoders, and others with 100's don't. It has something to do with how the MPEG stream's encoded at some stations that operate some older encoders. Here's a post that explains it further.

mikemikeb

Roanoke VA HDTV

Mike,

I just printed that link you mentioned. Thanks for the info. I think I'll be spending a few hours on hold today trying to reach 2nd level support at DirecTV.

cage22

Roanoke VA HDTV

The audio dropouts started when D* uploaded the new software for the new HD channels a couple of weeks ago. It also drops out on WFMY here in Greensboro during network and other threads are reporting the dropout as well. It appears to be a software issue and not a hardware issue and it is only on the CBS affiliates so don't let D* talk you into a new box. That isn't the problem.

foxeng

Roanoke VA HDTV

Also, it would appear that W40BM has applied to go digital at 3 kW nondirectional, on channel 47 (I'm guessing channel 40 wouldn't work due to WDRL-DT).

--

And what's going on at W54BT? I'm looking at the CDBS explanation of why a new STA is wanted...

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...ility_id=65129

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...ility_id=65129

What on Earth is going on over there?

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

Thanks for the update on WSET-DT. I wondered what happened to my 13-1 and 13-2. Don't they ever TELL anyone these things (communication....HELLO?!?!?!?) - like in this forum? Also, very very disappointed in their story on 5.1. I'm ready to abandon the channel altogether even if I live in Forest, but there are a few shows in HD i like, so what do you do? Also wish their newscast was better. I don't know why they went to a whole hour at 6 - torture maybe? (Noreen - NOT YOU - you're the best!!!

fine_tuned

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA
Under normal circumstances, I'd call it a bone-headed move to leave it on channel 5, but since WBRA-DT is on channel 3, it kinda makes sense.

What IS a boneheaded move, is not moving it to the top of Poor Mountain, where it would cover the NRV.

But yes, all it means is they want to change the channel 5 transmitter they have now to digital operation.

- Trip
Who is to say that there may not be any channels available, now? Certainly after Feb 17, 2009, there will be VHF high channels available and who is to say this translator will not move to one of the vacated channels (channel 7? Channel 9? channel 10? Channel 12? On channel 13?) at that time?

More here than meets the eye.

foxeng

Roanoke VA HDTV

Thanks Sweets and texmex for the info. I'm not sure what route I'll go as far as the dish is concerned. I just finished up wiring in my house and to run a 3rd coax to my equipment closet for the OTA is not feasible. I understand I can diplex on the new dish until the new beam is turned on for our area, but I'm not sure at that point if I'll be ready to part with my HR10-250; I don't want to lose HD locals until I do convert to the HR20.

Decisions, decisions...well at least I have a couple of months to decide exactly what I'm going to do.

FYI, I have read other threads denouncing that nasty rumor of owned equipment turning over to leased with the Mover's Connection. I think if that were the case, my mind would have been made up for me and I would have switched to cable.

Thanks again everyone.

BigEHokie

Roanoke VA HDTV

I'm located in Christiansburg. I have a Samsung HPR4252, Dish Network with 811 HD receiver. I just installed a Antennas Direct DB4. I have no problem receiving WDBJ WSLS WFXR and PAX. However, I am unable to get a signal from WSET or WJPR. Is this because they're in Lynchburg ? Do I need to get a different antenna ? I read in a previous post that WSET was having "technical difficulties". Is that the reason I cannot get their digital signal ? Thanks to anyone who can provide some insight into this. BTW great forum !!

since1963

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by since1963
I'm located in Christiansburg. I have a Samsung HPR4252, Dish Network with 811 HD receiver. I just installed a Antennas Direct DB4. I have no problem receiving WDBJ WSLS WFXR and PAX. However, I am unable to get a signal from WSET or WJPR. Is this because they're in Lynchburg ? Do I need to get a different antenna ? I read in a previous post that WSET was having "technical difficulties". Is that the reason I cannot get their digital signal ? Thanks to anyone who can provide some insight into this. BTW great forum !!
WSET is indeed having technical difficulties - at this moment there is no signal to be found. They've indicated that the signal should be back sometime today. I'm sure someone will post a message when the signal returns. As for WJPR, I don't think any of us down here in the valley have any chance at that one - has to do with the strength and direction of the broadcast signal I think.

Once WSET is back up, let us know if you can pull it in with that DB4 - I've heard good things about it and it's big brother (DB8). Welcome aboard...

texmex

Roanoke VA HDTV

WSET DT is back on the air.

chopkins

Roanoke VA HDTV

From MediaWeek...

VARTV

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by since1963
I'm located in Christiansburg. I have a Samsung HPR4252, Dish Network with 811 HD receiver. I just installed a Antennas Direct DB4. I have no problem receiving WDBJ WSLS WFXR and PAX. However, I am unable to get a signal from WSET or WJPR. Is this because they're in Lynchburg ? Do I need to get a different antenna ? I read in a previous post that WSET was having "technical difficulties". Is that the reason I cannot get their digital signal ? Thanks to anyone who can provide some insight into this. BTW great forum !!
Not sure you'll be able to get WSET-DT in C'burg, as Poor Mtn. casts a pretty big shadow over the signal in that area. Let us know how it goes. JPR would be a real long shot. Isn't it the same as FXR though?

riga

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by riga
Not sure you'll be able to get WSET-DT in C'burg, as Poor Mtn. casts a pretty big shadow over the signal in that area. Let us know how it goes. JPR would be a real long shot. Isn't it the same as FXR though?
I'll find out tonight when I get home about WSET and I'll post a message as to if I'm successful or not. . As far as WJPR is concerned, I believe they're in Lynchburg and WFXR is in Roanoke(someone correct me if I'm wrong here).

since1963

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
I'll find out tonight when I get home about WSET and I'll post a message as to if I'm successful or not. . As far as WJPR is concerned, I believe they're in Lynchburg and WFXR is in Roanoke(someone correct me if I'm wrong here).
The content on WJPR is identical to WFXR so if you can get one there is no need to get the other.

chopkins

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by texmex
WSET is indeed having technical difficulties - at this moment there is no signal to be found. They've indicated that the signal should be back sometime today. I'm sure someone will post a message when the signal returns. As for WJPR, I don't think any of us down here in the valley have any chance at that one - has to do with the strength and direction of the broadcast signal I think.

Once WSET is back up, let us know if you can pull it in with that DB4 - I've heard good things about it and it's big brother (DB8). Welcome aboard...

Well, sadly no luck on the WSET. I get a sniff at about 50% for 1 sec. then back to zero. All in all I'm quite happy with the DB4. I'm consistently getting 85% - 90% on WDBJ, WFXR, WSLS and PAX. I will consider the DB8, but that'll take some doing getting it through the "requisitions officer"

since1963

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxeng
Who is to say that there may not be any channels available, now? Certainly after Feb 17, 2009, there will be VHF high channels available and who is to say this translator will not move to one of the vacated channels (channel 7? Channel 9? channel 10? Channel 12? On channel 13?) at that time?

More here than meets the eye.
Channel 13 is out of the question, as WSET-DT is there, and that probably throws out channel 12 as well.

(While I'm thinking about it, WSWP-DT today elected to move on to Round Three)

I agree it's a possibility, but I would have thought that WSET would take the opportunity to get the signal up on Poor Mountain where it would have a chance of being received in the NRV.

- Trip

Trip in VA

Roanoke VA HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by emilesVT
Question about Adelphia HD in Blacksburg, any of you guys have this service? How many channels do they have? Are there HD DVRs available? Are there any plans for Comcast to gobble up their service in this area? Is the service any good and how is Adelphia in general?

The reason I ask is, I'm currently a DirecTV customer in Radford and will be moving to Bburg in June. I have heard a nasty rumor that DirecTV will force people using their Mover's Connection to turn their pre-owned hardware into leased hardware. That means the $1000+ of my own cash I have put towards these receivers is lost. If that is true, I might look at other options in Blacksburg.
I hear from Adelphia HD customers pretty regularly. They love the service.

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