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Updated: 2008-05-24 04:32:22 (2663)
Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

After some careful consideration, we have decided to pick up Focal, previously called JM Lab. I know their Utopias are considered a reference speaker worldwide. I would love some feedback on this speaker line from all you owners or perspective owners. Here in Southern California there seems to be a shortage of quality retailers that work with the product line.

I recently heard the Profile 918's at Tweeter the other day. They are gorgeous looking, and they sounded good, but I felt they wanted more. But, I attribute it to the Denon receiver, which are definately not the best for demonstrating a speakers performance. Hopefully our Parasound, Bryston, and Arcam gear will open them up.

I am interested in all your views on not only the Profile line, but also the Electra 1000 line, and beyond.

The new Chorus 800 line looks to be very promising as well. Thanks!

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Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I did not know you could bi-wire. the Cobalt S series. No, I thought that for bi-wiring what you did was take separate channels from the same amp for the tweeter and woofers. In my thought process you would need 4 channels to do this. I did not know that you can take just one 2ch amp and bi-wire 2 speakers. Thanks for the clarification. They say its a good day when you can learn something new .

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

No. You are just basically running 4 cables from the same speaker posts(2+2-) on back of the amp, to the 4 posts on the speakers, and eliminating the jumper between the 2 pair of posts on the speaker. So , in theory, the highs and lows get to have there own cable to run through.

Doc99

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Cool. My speakers can't do that. But I have heard that when other people have done similar things they did notice an improvement. Think my next improvement is going to happen when I get my dedicated Pre.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Which JM LABS do you have? The Cobalts have a cool feature on the back. It has a little window where you can view the crossover.

Doc99

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Doc,
I have the 1027be's, CC-901, and the SW900. That 900 is going to be upgraded to the Seaton SubMersive after CES. I had the 927Be's but I was offered a killer deal for the 1027's and I could not say no. These are simply incredible speakers. I can say with confidence that they are some of the best I have ever heard. With on tweak, I found allot more bass. But they are very sensitive to placement. In my small room, I really can't ask for more. Also I really can not get bigger speakers anyway. They would over power the room.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Does anyone on this thread have the Sib XL's?

I walked into Tweeter today pretty much not knowing a lot(I know basic stuff) and told them my budget for speakers(~$1500-$2000). Salesguy showed me the Focal Sib/Cub package which has 3 Sib XL's for L/R and center, 2 Sib's for rears, and the Cub^2 sub.

I was very impressed with the sound in the small footprint. I also like getting all 6 in one box. Same brand, all match, etc.

I did some quick googling and found generally positive things about the focal/JM name.

I'm going with the Denon AVR 2807 reciever. My space isn't very big, we are talking smallish apartment.

Any comments would be appreciated!

ak3883

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I have never heard them, but I have read about the newer Sibs. They seem to be very good speakers. The important thing is that you liked them. The only thing may be the sub. It may not give you the slam you are looking for. But you could always get the setup and then later upgrade the sub. But for an apartment it should be a nice setup. If you get them, please post your thoughts. Also, I have not heard to many user reports on them. So it would be nice to have some feedback on them.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke
I did not know you could bi-wire. the Cobalt S series. No, I thought that for bi-wiring what you did was take separate channels from the same amp for the tweeter and woofers. In my thought process you would need 4 channels to do this. I did not know that you can take just one 2ch amp and bi-wire 2 speakers. Thanks for the clarification. They say its a good day when you can learn something new .
You're confusing BI-AMPING with BI-WIRING. I've done both - I've run seperate amps from a bridged Parasound to my front speakers, and bi-wired them. Currently, I only Bi-wire; 2 sets of wires from 1 amp module. I had a very interesting set up, when I had 6 and 3 channel Parasound pwr amps, but I digress....

stacy11

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Thanks for the clarification. The reason why I thought that was I remember hearing that the Old Electra 900 series could not do anything like that. I could not bi-amp if I wanted to. I have no more space.

MIkeDuke

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Just some FYI for all perspective Focal owners. If you are considering Chorus 800 or Electra Be, best to purchase before Jan 1, because those lines will be experiencing a fairly signficant price increase. Most local dealers should have specifics.

AudioArchitect

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Audio, can you post what they are going to be? If not now, then after Jan 1?. I am basically set for the time being but I would like to look at the cc1000be later.
Thanks

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Well well well.
I just checked out a review of the 1027be's which had some helpful notes about the positioning of them - mainly: turn them inward so their forward axes cross about 1m in front of the listener.
So I gave the new positions a go, and lo and behold!
Punchy bass and expressively larger and deeper soundstage and more detail!
It's like my speakers have moved up another dimension!

Honestly, I'm flabbergasted - that's how much they improved in sound quality and staging.

ebunton

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thats great ebunton

i have heard someone commented the 1027be is one of the best from focal, so their next wave of utopias need to improve above that. this shall be a hard job for the design team. just wait and see.

cpu8088

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[quote=ebunton]KrisKeen,
I have the 1027BEs and an A5 CD player, pre and power amp.
I listened to the Krell 400 versus the A5 integrated, and the A5 sounded better, less electronic.
But when I listened to the Pre and power amp combo, it was noticeably better than the integrated, so I decided for those.
More detail and clarity came through. Timbre seemed more pleasant and rich.
I'm very happy with my setup.

The next step I guess would be the Alto Utopias ;-)
I demoed them with a Krell Evolution setup and they are wonderful. Great staging, deeper and clearer lows. Even closer to the real-life concert experience.[/QUOTEt

Thanks for the tip

The pre/power is just too much money, so im going with the A5i and A5 CD player

KrisKeen

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"Honestly, I'm flabbergasted"
ebunton,
That is what I want to hear. Like I said before, it took me almost 2 weeks to get it right. But when I did, Oh My. CPU, I have heard the same thing. I was told that they are the best that is in their line. The new Utopia's should be quite good.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

sgd

wizkid28

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Just an FYI - my local dealer said the new 700 V series is delayed until mid-end January 2007

badassfajita

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Hi guys,

I'm just wondering if I can use 2 CHORUS CC 800 V as left / right channel?

Thanks

frankies

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

frankies, can I assume that you will use that for your center as well? Many people say that you should use 3 of the same speakers up front. So given that fact it should be ok.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

@MikeDude thanks for your reply.

Actually I will be using them to listen to music only in my bedroom so stricly to 2-channels (Left and right) only. So it would work right?

frankies

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I just received an update from my salesman who is telling me that AudioPlus is telling him the new Chorus 836Vs are not shipping until maybe sometime in December. I placed my order back at the end of September in the Moka finish. I know the 826Vs have been out for several weeks. But I guess they are saying that with the increased size of the cabinets and the individual drivers that Focal wanted to make sure they got it just right before they are released. So I guess I will have to continue to wait somewhat patiently. Anyone hear anything different about the availability of the 836Vs?

HJJ

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankies
@MikeDude thanks for your reply.

Actually I will be using them to listen to music only in my bedroom so stricly to 2-channels (Left and right) only. So it would work right?
No reason why it can't. Make sure you post how it goes when you get them. What are you using for the other equipment?

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by HJJ
I just received an update from my salesman who is telling me that AudioPlus is telling him the new Chorus 836Vs are not shipping until maybe sometime in December. I placed my order back at the end of September in the Moka finish. I know the 826Vs have been out for several weeks. But I guess they are saying that with the increased size of the cabinets and the individual drivers that Focal wanted to make sure they got it just right before they are released. So I guess I will have to continue to wait somewhat patiently. Anyone hear anything different about the availability of the 836Vs?
What is the saying
If it is good.....
It is worth waiting for?
I think they will be worth it

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

See this post.

New house

The Focals are rocking and I couldn't be happier. I would say the powered monitors are definitely a good way to get into the Beryllium tweeter.

MegaFlop

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaFlop
See this post.

New house

The Focals are rocking and I couldn't be happier. I would say the powered monitors are definitely a good way to get into the Beryllium tweeter.
WOW.
I have to say, that is one fine looking room you have there. When ever I see a room like that I feel . Because mine is so tiny. But I am sure yours sounds great.

MIkeDuke

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Hey Mike, I have another question regarding that point you brought up regarding the balanced XLR connectors in that other thread. Due to the fact that I have already purchased the Parasound Halo A52 amp and will within the next 3 to 6 months purchase the Halo C2 Controller, I am thinking about switching my RCA cable order to balanced XLRs. My only problem is that in the interim I will be using my Onkyo reciever as my processor into the A52 amp. Of course the Onkyo only has RCA. So I am thinking it might be smarter to switch my RCA cable order with my salesman to the balanced XLRs. He told me he could swap them out for the same price. Do you think it makes sense to use the XLR cables with RCA adapters to the Onkyo so that I do not have to double purchase these cables? I still need to research the XLR to RCA conversion connectors. But I am sure they exist and hopefully at a descent price.

HJJ

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Guys,

Just a heads up. Focal is running special promotions on the Profile speakers. If you are considering these puppies now could be a great time. Check with your Focal dealer!

AudioArchitect

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by cpu8088
eventually existing utopias will be upgraded. focal is working on this project now.
Where do you have this information from? Focal has not said anything about this. The Utopia Be range is only a few years old, yes?

I have 1027Be with a Krell KAV 3-channel power-amp, and it sounds beautiful in every way. I also have the Utopia Be center, and it sounds better than the 1027`s IMHO. More of everything! If the Alto`s is as good/or better than the center, I can`t understand how some of you can think that 1027 is just as good as the Utopia Be`s. I love the 1027Be, but of course the Utopia is better. Everthing in Utopia is more expensive, filter, tweeter etc etc.

I know one guy that upgraded from 1027Be to Alto Utopia. They are helped with the monster Utopia subwoofer. This in a 3m X 4m room (!). The key word is placement and calibration.

2tropical

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AudioArchitect
Guys,

Just a heads up. Focal is running special promotions on the Profile speakers. If you are considering these puppies now could be a great time. Check with your Focal dealer!
Temptation, frustration so bad it makes me cry. What kind of promotion?

apodaca

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke
"The next step I guess would be the Alto Utopias ;-)"
Nah, Don't hold back Nova's all the way
For those of you who dream really big but can only afford just big, here's an idea that was passed along by a Focal dealer at Cedia. Buy a pair of L&R Be's and mate each one with a Sub Be and you have close to a performance equivalent of the Nova at half the price. They jokingly said it was a dirty little secret that Focal didn't want to get out. As an owner, hence, biased fan, of a pair of the old mini-Utopias, I am intrigued with the idea of trying this out if I can ever afford to upgrade. Any thoughts?

kevin

flynnflamman

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Quote:
Originally Posted by apodaca
Temptation, frustration so bad it makes me cry. What kind of promotion?
You can pm me for details. Thanks!

AudioArchitect

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2tropical
Where do you have this information from? Focal has not said anything about this. The Utopia Be range is only a few years old, yes?

I have 1027Be with a Krell KAV 3-channel power-amp, and it sounds beautiful in every way. I also have the Utopia Be center, and it sounds better than the 1027`s IMHO. More of everything! If the Alto`s is as good/or better than the center, I can`t understand how some of you can think that 1027 is just as good as the Utopia Be`s. I love the 1027Be, but of course the Utopia is better. Everthing in Utopia is more expensive, filter, tweeter etc etc.

I know one guy that upgraded from 1027Be to Alto Utopia. They are helped with the monster Utopia subwoofer. This in a 3m X 4m room (!). The key word is placement and calibration.
The current Utopia Be line is in fact being reworked but I would imagine it is still a ways off. The Utopia Be is between 3-5 years old. The Electra line comes so close to the Utopias that Focal probably feels they need to bring it up a notch. If I had to venture a guess Berrylium midrange!

AudioArchitect

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Flynn, that should be killer. I have never heard the L\R Utopia's. But I found the sub to a solid performer. A combo like that would certainly be a quality setup. I my self have the 1027's. These give you 90% of the Altos, if setup correctly. Considering what I paid for mine, my price/performance ratio is even greater.

MIkeDuke

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HJJ
Hey Mike, I have another question regarding that point you brought up regarding the balanced XLR connectors in that other thread. Due to the fact that I have already purchased the Parasound Halo A52 amp and will within the next 3 to 6 months purchase the Halo C2 Controller, I am thinking about switching my RCA cable order to balanced XLRs. My only problem is that in the interim I will be using my Onkyo reciever as my processor into the A52 amp. Of course the Onkyo only has RCA. So I am thinking it might be smarter to switch my RCA cable order with my salesman to the balanced XLRs. He told me he could swap them out for the same price. Do you think it makes sense to use the XLR cables with RCA adapters to the Onkyo so that I do not have to double purchase these cables? I still need to research the XLR to RCA conversion connectors. But I am sure they exist and hopefully at a descent price.
Yes. If you plan on going balanced some day but are still using a reciever, then getting the balanced and rca connectors would be a great idea. And they do exist. Just try a search on rca to xlr or xlr to rca.

MIkeDuke

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2tropical, I hear you. Yet I have heard every speaker in the Utopia line. I also have read every review and I talk to the east coast rep for them from time to time. This is a quote from him "The 1027's are the best speakers Focal has ever made". "In my setup" the sound I get is simply amazing. I really feel for the price, given what the Alto and 1027 cost, the Alto now seems over priced. There was a reason why Focal had to go back to the drawing board. The 1027 threw a monkey wrench into the system. Even though the Alto "may" do somethings better, for me I would need to go up to the Nova's to justify an upgrade. These speakers just have a ton of potential. They just need time and patients to get it right.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

My speaker order finally arrived late last week. I finally found the time to set them up yesterday afternoon. The hold up on my order from the end of September was the 836 fronts. I spent about 4 hours yesterday setting them up. The SR800V rear surrounds were a different size and shape than my previous Polk FX 500 rears. So I had to get the placement just right. They are all awesome looking speakers. The center channel CC800V is slightly smaller than my previous center so it had plenty of space on the bottom shelf of my TV stand. I felt like I was pulling a major appliance out of its box when I pulled the 836s out. They are a bit taller than the 826s. However, once I connected the base and stood them up they looked very stylish and sleek.

I am initially using my Onkyo receiver to push these speakers. I have already purchased a Parasound Halo A52 that I will be using for the Amp but the XLR cables I ordered have not arrived yet. After making all the speaker wire connections (AudioQuest Type 8) I turned on the receiver for the first time. I looked for an HD channel since I knew the sound should be in Dolby Digital. The Harry Potter movie was on HBO so it was a pretty good sound test. I immediately noticed the added depth and detail that did not quite exist with my old Polk RT1000's. And honestly those sounded really good.

A few minutes later after I walked away I ran into my first issue. I heard no sound. Upon further investigation, I noticed my Onkyo receiver had shut itself down and was in stand-by mode as if I cut it off. I turned it back on and things were fine again. But several minutes later it shut itself down again? I never had any issues with this receiver with my Polk setup but these speakers seemed to be causing problems for it. I changed channels and lowered the volume level to see if I could find a link to the issue. After lowering the volume, I never had any issues with the receiver shutting down. I also placed a concert DVD to test the sound and I cranked it back up a bit to about the same level as it was during the Harry Potter movie but the receiver never shut itself down again. I called my salesman to see if he had any ideas what is going on. He mentioned that it is possibe that with these speakers, the reciever might not have enough on the high end to push them and so it shuts itself down? It all will be a moot point soon since I will be connecting my Halo amp to it once the cables arrive. But I was curious if anyone has heard of an issue like this with the receiver shutting down itself at higher volumes becuase it can't push the speakers. This Onlkyo is supposed to be 110W x 7 channels.

HJJ

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Yes, I have seen this at Tweeter as well with a pioneer receiver. And yes it is because they just dont cut it for speakers that dip too low in impedance.

apodaca

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HJJ
My speaker order finally arrived late last week. I finally found the time to set them up yesterday afternoon. The hold up on my order from the end of September was the 836 fronts. I spent about 4 hours yesterday setting them up. The SR800V rear surrounds were a different size and shape than my previous Polk FX 500 rears. So I had to get the placement just right. They are all awesome looking speakers. The center channel CC800V is slightly smaller than my previous center so it had plenty of space on the bottom shelf of my TV stand. I felt like I was pulling a major appliance out of its box when I pulled the 836s out. They are a bit taller than the 826s. However, once I connected the base and stood them up they looked very stylish and sleek.

I am initially using my Onkyo receiver to push these speakers. I have already purchased a Parasound Halo A52 that I will be using for the Amp but the XLR cables I ordered have not arrived yet. After making all the speaker wire connections (AudioQuest Type 8) I turned on the receiver for the first time. I looked for an HD channel since I knew the sound should be in Dolby Digital. The Harry Potter movie was on HBO so it was a pretty good sound test. I immediately noticed the added depth and detail that did not quite exist with my old Polk RT1000's. And honestly those sounded really good.

A few minutes later after I walked away I ran into my first issue. I heard no sound. Upon further investigation, I noticed my Onkyo receiver had shut itself down and was in stand-by mode as if I cut it off. I turned it back on and things were fine again. But several minutes later it shut itself down again? I never had any issues with this receiver with my Polk setup but these speakers seemed to be causing problems for it. I changed channels and lowered the volume level to see if I could find a link to the issue. After lowering the volume, I never had any issues with the receiver shutting down. I also placed a concert DVD to test the sound and I cranked it back up a bit to about the same level as it was during the Harry Potter movie but the receiver never shut itself down again. I called my salesman to see if he had any ideas what is going on. He mentioned that it is possibe that with these speakers, the reciever might not have enough on the high end to push them and so it shuts itself down? It all will be a moot point soon since I will be connecting my Halo amp to it once the cables arrive. But I was curious if anyone has heard of an issue like this with the receiver shutting down itself at higher volumes becuase it can't push the speakers. This Onlkyo is supposed to be 110W x 7 channels.
That is called current limiting. The amplifier see a low impedance and goes into protection mode to avoid a "DC short".

BTW How are you using XLR cables, being that the Onkyo receiver doesnt have XLR preouts?

AudioArchitect

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AudioArchitect
That is called current limiting. The amplifier see a low impedance and goes into protection mode to avoid a "DC short".

BTW How are you using XLR cables, being that the Onkyo receiver doesnt have XLR preouts?

I decided to purchase XLR cables instead of RCAs because I already purchased the Halo Amp which has the balanced XLR connectors. In the interim, I was planning to get an XLR to RCA adapter to utilize my Onkyo as my processor until I purchase the Halo C2 processor which also has balanced inputs. I did not want to re-purchase the cables later. Right now I am leaning towards getting the C2 processor sooner than later.

Thanks for the input. I did not get this issue tonight either. Maybe it is the increased volume that forces the speaker impedance to drop. These speakers are supposed to be 8ohms but I read in the brochure that the minimal impedance is 3 ohms. So I am guessing I made a good decision in purchasing that dedicated amp.

HJJ

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HJJ, glad to hear that you got them. Even though the Onkyo says 110x7 it is probably a little bit less when more then 2ch are driven. Having an amp will certainly take care of this issue. Also, I have the C2 and can say without a doubt that it is a great processor. Hopefully when your situation stabilizes you can give us more of how they sound.

MIkeDuke

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"Maybe it is the increased volume that forces the speaker impedance to drop."
Usually impedance drops at different frequencies.
For ex the 826's say 2.9 ohms @ 118 Hz. That is pretty low I think. Allot of receivers would have a problem with that. As a comparison my speaker(1027Be) state 3.5 ohms at 200Hz.
I have 300 watts going to them. That is why I think the receiver was shutting down.

MIkeDuke

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke
"Maybe it is the increased volume that forces the speaker impedance to drop."
Usually impedance drops at different frequencies.
For ex the 826's say 2.9 ohms @ 118 Hz. That is pretty low I think. Allot of receivers would have a problem with that. As a comparison my speaker(1027Be) state 3.5 ohms at 200Hz.
I have 300 watts going to them. That is why I think the receiver was shutting down.
Mike,

I revisited my manual for the Onkyo TX-SR800 and I believe it actually is only rated at 100W x 7 channels. So that even points more to the issue.

I have a question about whether there is an Amp setting on my Halo A52 amp? I thought my salesman mentioned there is a setting for either 8 or 4 ohm speakers. Since these are 8 ohm speakers that can drop to around 3ohms, I assume I still would leave the setting at 8 ohms. Then the amp should have no issues when the impedance drops? If I had some RCA cables I could just connect the amp now but my XLR cables are not due in until the first week in December.

HJJ

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Their sensitivity is 91.5db. Their Nominal impendence is 8ohms. It is just that they have that dip. You should be fine with leaving it in the 8ohm mode. The Halo is a very good amp. The specs look pretty beefy on it. If they were 4ohm's nominal then you would need to make some changes. But you should be fine with that amp.

MIkeDuke

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Well surprisingly my special ordered XLR cables came in today. So I kind of did some scrambling to find an XLR to RCA adapter from a local guitar shop. They had the perfect adapter with the male RCA and femal XLR. So I was all excited to finally have a reason to open up my amp and get it connected to get a taste of what these speakers really can do. Luckily for me I decided to plug in my adapters into the back of the receiver before I completely unpackaged the amp and set it in my entertainment center. Because as I was afraid of after loocking at a diagram of the RCA connectors, the adapters where too wide to fit side by side.

So.... I can either buy some RCA cables. Look into a different sort of adapter. Or bite the bullet now and order the Parasound C2. Luckily I am single and have no dependents so the decision is all mine. Because I think based on the fact that I am wanting to get this C2 eventually anyway, I might as well get my system completed from the start.

Oh yeah, I had Saving Private Ryan on today and my receiver was cutting out ever minute or so at one point. It definitely was not volume related. I ended up just turning it off. So I guess certain movies and shows are off limits until I get my situation resolved.

HJJ

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"Or bite the bullet now and order the Parasound C2. Luckily I am single and have no dependents so the decision is all mine. Because I think based on the fact that I am wanting to get this C2 eventually anyway, I might as well get my system completed from the start."
That is what I am talking about. Do it now so you will not be wondering. As I said I have the C2 and it sounds fantastic. It is so much better then my Showcase was. Also, the menus are very easy to use. For me, music is important. The C2 has a bypass mode that you have to select from the menu. It is really good on music that way. But it is good for music all around.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Are there any reviews of the center channel in the Electra Be line?

Thinking about 5 1027Be's, but might have to go with 4 1027Be's and the center channel instead.

Esox50

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I haven't seen any, but I am sure it is a good center. I have the 901 and it works and sounds great. But 4 1027's will be quite a setup.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

the cc1000be is as smooth as baby's bottom. the unbelievable tweeter do smooth out the edges and integrate well with the mid and bass units. it can handle dynamics very well too.

what can you say!!!

suggest mike to trade 901 for this just as he traded up the 927be for the existing 1027be

cpu8088

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

CPU, I probably will, just a bit down the line. I have money commited else where for a different upgrade.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I am loving my 826V's I get a nagging feeling they are underpriced, they just sound & look real purdy. Anybody see any reviews yet? I know they are brand spanking new but I eager to see what someone might say about these amazing speakers...IMHO they are perhaps one of the best looking speakers in ANY price class!

Vampyro

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

AudioArchitect,how do the new Chorus speakers stack up against Dynaudios? Compared with the Focus and Contour series.

You sell both lines,can you give us your opinion on pros and cons of each.

Vampryo, I too am surprised at the cost of these speakers. Focal makes their own drivers and cabinets like Dynaudio and do not contract out. Amazing.

wgerman

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I just picked up the CC800v center and I heard the $8000 JMlabs and must say the 826V can really hold themselves proud compared to their more expensive siblings...I am convinced that nothing under $3000 can't stack up to the 826V

Vampyro

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That is really great to hear Vampyro. I am glad that JM has quality stuff at all levels. And if they are like other JM's with better equipment they can sound even better. Make sure to keep us posted on how everything progresses.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

What do you guys think of this 5.1 by focal?

http://www.tweeter.com/sm-focal-sibs...i-2138378.html

Its on sale for 999.99 dollars for this thanksgiving weekend. I heard it and liked it but i am a novice so let me know what you think please.

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Focal seems to be having a sale on the Profile Series
http://www.audioplusservices.com/frame.html
They look like good deals to me

Profile 908 : $2,295
Profile 918 : $3,995-$500
Profile 928 : $5,500-$800
Profile CC908 : $1,695-$200
Profile SW908 : $2,995-$200

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

hastley

get the sib and cub and join as owner of focal

cpu8088

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hastley
What do you guys think of this 5.1 by focal?

http://www.tweeter.com/sm-focal-sibs...i-2138378.html

Its on sale for 999.99 dollars for this thanksgiving weekend. I heard it and liked it but i am a novice so let me know what you think please.

I am sure it sounds alot bigger than it looks, ,you simply cant go wrong!

Vampyro

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I like the sound in fact i listened to alot of polks and such, and they dont even compare but alot of people on another thread are giving me doubts

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

of course they will give you doubts because they never ever lived with focal speakers
and their hearing preferences are different

cpu8088

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Hastley, don't doubt what you hear. Everyone else wont have to live with them, you will. If they sound good to you then there really is only one choice. Get them and join the Focal family.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Thanks for the comments on the Electra center channel.

Looking over Focal's lineup, I wonder if they're working on a 1017Be? Seems to be a gap there as compared to the other Focal lines.

Esox50

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Esox50, true that the other lines seem to have a few more options. Even more towers. Time will tell if they bring out a 1017Be. If they did, I wonder what it would be like?

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke
Esox50, true that the other lines seem to have a few more options. Even more towers. Time will tell if they bring out a 1017Be. If they did, I wonder what it would be like?
I could see the 1027Be getting a price increase to $7,998 (or even $8,498), and them releasing a 1017Be at around $5,998-6,498 (especially now that Paradigm just announced the Signature S6 with a Beryllium tweeter for $5,500).

What would it be like? Hmmm.
1-1" Pure Be IAL tweeter
1-6.5" W cone Midrange, 32mm voice coil (same as the Profile 918)
1-6.5" W cone Woofer, 40mm voice coil (same as the Profile 918)
FR: 42Hz-40,000kHz

And it would be maybe 2-3" shorter.

Just a thought, not saying it's going to happen. There just seems to be a gap there in the Electra range. I guess in that price range ($5,500) you got the Profile 928 but it does not have the Be tweeter (BTW, I haven't heard the 928 but it looks very stupendous in that new Diamond Black). The "gap" I speak of though is that every other line has a model that could be considered a "small tower", except the Electra Be line.

To be honest, I only thought of this because I'm not sure for a home theater that I need the bass extension of the 1027Be, since I'll most likely be installing two 15 subwoofers. Figured I could save a little dough with a 1017Be, if there were such a thing. I bet it would sell really well though, don't you guys think?

Esox50

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I can tell you that they will most likely have a newer model above the 1027's. But a lower model might be interesting. And I agree about HT. I am into music as well so I really like having the low bass that the 1027's give me. Maybe they will show something new at CES this year. But it does seem like a good idea.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esox50
I could see the 1027Be getting a price increase to $7,998 (or even $8,498), and them releasing a 1017Be at around $5,998-6,498 (especially now that Paradigm just announced the Signature S6 with a Beryllium tweeter for $5,500).

What would it be like? Hmmm.
1-1" Pure Be IAL tweeter
1-6.5" W cone Midrange, 32mm voice coil (same as the Profile 918)
1-6.5" W cone Woofer, 40mm voice coil (same as the Profile 918)
FR: 42Hz-40,000kHz

And it would be maybe 2-3" shorter.

Just a thought, not saying it's going to happen. There just seems to be a gap there in the Electra range. I guess in that price range ($5,500) you got the Profile 928 but it does not have the Be tweeter (BTW, I haven't heard the 928 but it looks very stupendous in that new Diamond Black). The "gap" I speak of though is that every other line has a model that could be considered a "small tower", except the Electra Be line.

To be honest, I only thought of this because I'm not sure for a home theater that I need the bass extension of the 1027Be, since I'll most likely be installing two 15 subwoofers. Figured I could save a little dough with a 1017Be, if there were such a thing. I bet it would sell really well though, don't you guys think?
Paradigm is probably using a substrate material and vapor depositing the Berrylium, hence the lower price point. Furthermore, Focal is 6 years ahead of anyone in Be tweeters and obviously has the inverted dome which no one else has.

As far as being a gap in the Electra product line, realistically the 1027 sells so well, from a manufacturing standpoint, a smaller floorstander wouldnt make sense. For many systems the 1007 with a sub just makes as much sense.

AudioArchitect

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

AudioArchitect, how do the Focal Chorus 816 and 826 V stack against Dynaudio products. Please give the pro and con since you sell both.

wgerman

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke
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That is what I am talking about. Do it now so you will not be wondering. As I said I have the C2 and it sounds fantastic. It is so much better then my Showcase was. Also, the menus are very easy to use. For me, music is important. The C2 has a bypass mode that you have to select from the menu. It is really good on music that way. But it is good for music all around.
Well, I placed my order for the C2 last Wednesday so I should definitely have it today or tomorrow at the latest. I was wondering for your setup if you are utilizing the component video switching capability of the C2 or if you purchased that seperate HDMI switching unit that they sell seperately? That is one of the few disappointing things about the C2 is that it does not provide HDMI switching out of the box. But I understand the designs for it were created a few years ago when HDMI was not in widespread use at the time. I do anticipate the sonic quality of this unit to offset my HDMI disappointment.

One other thing I noticed about this unit is the lack of an FM tuner. This is obviously not a deal breaker but it would have been nice since I usually listen to morning radio before work. But normally for music I am listening to satellite radio through direct tv or CDs or DVDs. Do you use an FM tuner with your system? I am contemplating eventually adding a low cost FM tuner for this system but obviously it is not high on the priority list.

I am still anticipating what my new Focal 836V surround system will sound like after adding the C2. It is very hit and miss with the shutdowns of my Onkyo receiver. I purchased the new Gears of War Xbox game and played it through the system. The sound effects were amazing for the quick momement before my Onkyo shuts itself down. Pretty much anything in dolby digital will eventually shut it down. So hopefuly in a day or so I will be able to release my new speakers from their shackles.

HJJ

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I don't need HDMI right now. I only have my TV connected to my player through a DVI cable. I also don't listen the the radio on this system so the lack of a tuner is not an issue for me. Did you mention what amp you are getting? I am sure that once you have everything in place it will sound great. I noticed an immediate difference. Again, congrats and be prepared to have a kick butt setup. Of course I know you will keep us updated.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke
I don't need HDMI right now. I only have my TV connected to my player through a DVI cable. I also don't listen the the radio on this system so the lack of a tuner is not an issue for me. Did you mention what amp you are getting? I am sure that once you have everything in place it will sound great. I noticed an immediate difference. Again, congrats and be prepared to have a kick butt setup. Of course I know you will keep us updated.
I have had the Parasound Halo A52 (125W x 5) amp for several weeks now but have been unable to use it due to my decision to go with XLR cables rather than RCAs. I was trying to go the the XLR to RCA adapter route but the connector configuration on the back of the Onkyo unit did not allow for enough space for the adapters.

I will initially go with the component switching as I still have some nice component cables. Honestly the video between component and DVI/HDMI is not that far apart. This whole HDMI thing really is all about copy protection. Although it would be great to eliminate the need for a seperate fiber or Coax digital audio cable.

HJJ

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

With that amp you will have a very nice sounding setup. I am sure of it. Right now I only have a 34 in TV. The picture I can get with my player is simply fantastic. If I had a projector I might consider a high def player, but not with this TV. It looks really impressive as it is.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Hi,

I am considering buying the 706 are these better than the focal sibs? I can get a pair of the 706s new for like 350/pair? Let me know

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Hastely
It may depend on what sibs you are talking about. The floor standing models I think got at least one nice write up. The 706 is a fine monitor I am sure. If you are talking about the sib and not the sib xl or xxl, then I might say the 706 is the way to go. It looks like a very fine monitor speaker. So I would say yes, they are better then the sib.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I was refering tot he Sib bookshelf (meaning the smallest one). They come out to be right around 300/pair whereas i can get the 706s for the 350 a pair new.

so i guess ill go ahead for the 706.

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Yea,
I definitely think that the 706's will outperform the sib bookshelf speaker. Congrats and please post what your feelings are about them. I haven't heard too much regarding them. Your insight will be valuable

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Also what are the difreences between the Chorus S and the CHorus V?

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

The tweeter and possibly the crossovers are different. I think the V is the newer model. The tweeter looks to be better in the V. They seem to have lowered the distortion in it.
Here is an explanation of it.
"After the experience we gained in the creation of the famous tweeter in pure Beryllium, we invented the TNC tweeter, the first tweeter with the aluminummagnesium alloy.This alloy proved to have excellent damping qualities too and resulted in the entirely new TNV of Chorus 700 V.

A new mousse for surround suspension with reinforced mechanical properties, new configuration of the neodymium motor, entirely reconceived design, this new tweeter benefits from all the latest Focal research. Harmonic distortion is divided by three at 1000Hz, by 6 at 500Hz: the sweetness of the reproduction in the medium is transformed. Also, we entirely ceased the use of ferro-fluid in the tweeter, as the new motor design improves the power handling: the dynamic behavior of the tweeter is improved with a rendering of details and an air in the extreme treble of the utmost quality."

"The TNV tweeter had capitalized on the immense experience and knowledge acquired with the pure Beryllium tweeter of the Grande Utopia Be concerning the reproduction of higher frequencies: importance of damping, elimination of the phase piece for standing distortion, emergence of the concept of optimization of performance at the source, which consists of obtaining the characteristics of ideal loudspeakers without having to return to mechanical or electrical corrections at the crossover, a very risky and dangerous approach."

MIkeDuke

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Thanks mike. I ended up getting a pair of Cobalt 806S. I chose this for a variety of reasons but at the top of the list was the metal grills look way nicer than cloth to me.

My new question is can i fully integrate these as my mains for home theatre (meaning is focal a good HT sound like klipsch) or should i stick to stereo music?

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

First off a big congrats. Glad to welcome you to the Focal family. Second, you can absolutely integrate them for HT. You would need a sub of course, but they would be just fine. Focal is great for HT. Basically one rule that some people follow is if it is good for music, it will be good for HT. Are you going to start out with 2 and then build a system slowly. What are you using to power them. We will need to hear your thoughts when they are connected.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Im going to get the 706S at 350/pair through some drop ship dealer for about the rear 2. For center im going to try to get a hold of the Cobalt 800 S Center (since i want the matching metal grills). Not sure what subw ould compliment that setup.

Also would accept any suggestions that you have for an reciever that would power these things.

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

806's for the fronts and the 800 S center with the 706's should be pretty good. For a receiver any Denon or Pioneer that has at least 85w should be fine. But if you can afford more, get it. It all depends on how much you want to spend.
For Denon I see:
AVR-787-$499
AVR-887-$699
AVR-1907-$549
AVR-2307CI $-799
For pioneer
VSX-816-K/S $299
VSX-80TXV- $650
For something else you may want to look at
Outlaw Audio Model 1070 $899
So again, it all depends on what you want to spend. But that should give you an idea. All you need to do is do some quick searches on them. How much did you want to spend for the sub? With a limit, I could give you a few options. Any other questions, just ask.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

go for the outlaw

Vampyro

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I dont have a set price, i just need a sub that will cause as minimal vibrations to the floor as possible. Simple ebcause i dont need my neighbors in my apt building complaining about it.

Hastley

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

all subs will do that unfortunately. But you could get a subdude.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SubDude/
Put that under your sub and it might limit the complaints.
If you are talking under or around $1000 the you will want to look at SVS HSU AXIOM.
www.av123.com may have some choices for you
also check out
http://www.audioc.com/speakers1/spea...#acisubwoofers
They are supposed to be very good.
Those are some choices to get you going.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Hi guys,

What do you think if I can get this center for 2k brand new in box? Is it a good deal compare to the discounted profile now at about 1.4k ? Has anyone listened and compared between electra cc1000be vs profile cc908 yet? b/c I want to upgrade all the way from cc700s.
Thanks all !

tritonstudio

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Get it before the dealer changes his mind. My guy at JM said it is just a fantastic speaker. I have the cc901 and I asked if I should upgrade or would there be a big difference. What do you think he said . Do it and you will have a fantastic center. If I could I would. Maybe sometime in the future for me. But I would jump on that one if I could.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I am currently building a dedicated home theater in a new home and have auditioned many speaker systems. The best two channel I have heard are the 826. The only place in my area that sells focal doesn't have a theater set up for listening, so I am looking for any opinions on how the center channel and surrounds sound. the 2 way center channel is probably my biggest hang up on pulling the trigger.

zingo59

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Mike, so you said that number is the best deal to get it in term of its value compare to many other top models center speaker out there. I can't wait to get it when my budget is about ready. I think this center should be very good. It's very close to the utopia center. I have not seen any review comment for the cc1000be yet !

tritonstudio

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Like I said, that should be a fantastic center. My guy at JM said that it is really good. One day I will upgrade to that. If there are no comments then you can be the first. Your accounts will be helpful. I think the retail is much higher then that. Other top centers are much higher then that. If you get it, you will surely take your HT to the next level. It will be great with the 927's that you have.

MIkeDuke

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zingo59
I am currently building a dedicated home theater in a new home and have auditioned many speaker systems. The best two channel I have heard are the 826. The only place in my area that sells focal doesn't have a theater set up for listening, so I am looking for any opinions on how the center channel and surrounds sound. the 2 way center channel is probably my biggest hang up on pulling the trigger.
Go for the center it matches seamlessly with 826V It images as good as the mains becasue it uses the same tweet and woofs, it images so good that it carves its own 3d space in the center of the soundstage, just pure...
You Cant go wrong with the center, it sounds very lifelike with voices crossedover at 60hz it will sing!, the surrounds I dont use

Vampyro

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i listened to the chorus 836v yesterday and loved it, my big concern is the cc800 center , it just seems so small, can it handle 80% of a movie . The size of the center is the only thing stopping me from buying focal

zest

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Here is a link to some pictures of my new home theater setup.
http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...8AaOWzJy0buGK7

My setup includes the new Focal Chorus 836V fronts, CC 800V center and SR800 surrounds. My amplifier is a Parasound Halo A52 with the C2 controller/processor.

It took a couple of days but I believe I finally have everthing sucessfully connected and configured. I initially thought I had a bad processor unit since upon setting up the auto-calibration, I got poping noise and the light on that channel was blinking on my amp. After some careful troubleshooting, I realized one of my brand new Audioquest Type 8 cables had a short in it. This was the absolute last step of my testing process as I was thinking I had a bad center speaker. So luckily I was able to use my previous monster bi-wire cable on this center by using a plug and spade to join the two appropriate ends to the positive and negative posts. With this temporary change in place I was finally in business and able to calibrate and setup my system.

The more I thought about this speaker cable issue, I believe that is the true reason my Onkyo receiver kept shutting down on me. The cable obviously had a short in it and was causing the receiver to go into protection mode.

My initial impressions of this completed system are very positive. I saw the comments previously about whether the CC 800 V speaker was beefy enough to handle center channel. I know it is slightly smaller than my Polk Center channel speaker it replaced but so far it is lacking nothing that I can detect. Overall my experience has been that the seperation of the channels is much sharper and more distinct than my previous system. This may partially be helped out by the inclusion of a dedicated amp. But so far these Focal speakers have an added level of clarity and distinction that my Polk system could not quite match. Even though that system was great also. At times I feel like I am back to when I intially setup my original surround system and finding myself turning around to notice the rear surround effects that seem new again. I know there is a break in period for both these speakers and the new amplifier. So I fully expect the sound quality to only get better.

HJJ

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Nice pics congrats! the system looks like its kicks a**
Polk is a great company but nothing it has out now can top the Chorus V line!

Vampyro

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Here are some Focal history/background reading links for all the Focal Fans...

France's Best Kept Secret
Jacques Mahul Stereophile Interveiw
Focal Video Interveiw (Cinenow)

Vampyro

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

HJJ.
A very nice looking setup indeed. I like the look of the Halo products in the wall unit . Very nice comments on how the whole system sounds. It is good to hear that you are satisfied. Please keep updating as you notice things in your system,
Vampyro, thanks for the links

MIkeDuke

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hello hjj i am very seriously considering getting the same focal combination, they look great
do you have the time to post some honest thoughts about your new system in regards to some popular movies, my only concern is that center. I wish my local dealer would allow a home trial.
thank you in advance

zest

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by zest
i listened to the chorus 836v yesterday and loved it, my big concern is the cc800 center , it just seems so small, can it handle 80% of a movie . The size of the center is the only thing stopping me from buying focal
I was really suprised at the sound it puts out. Don't let its size fool you.

KRiS1

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Great thread. I'm probably very close to purchasing either a pair of 806 V's or 807 V's for my stereo setup in my bedroom to match with my NAD components. The 807 V's might be visually dominating but I want to hear them as I've been told they're more open and dynamic. Currently I'm leaning towards the 807s.

emorphien

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

I recently had the opportunity to hear the much of the Focal line of speakers through the same setup. Overall, the new Chorus line is the sweetheart of the bunch. In particular I listened to the 816V and I found its sound to be better then the profile series. In fact, I thought its midrange warmth and presence was a a mite more enjoyable then the 1000Be series. Yet clarity and resolve was certainly a bit lower in quality compared to the 1000Be. I would avoid the Profile, this speaker unfortunately does not perform up the standards of its looks.

Comparing the Chorus to the Paradigm Studio 100 v.4, I would give the Chorus the nod. The midrange area seemed to have better body and focus. Mind that neither are amazing, but the Chorus represents its self extremely well at its price point.

mmeysarosh

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WOW . Look at all this great info on the Chorus line. It really seems that they hit a good mark with them. Please keep posting on what you experience. It is very helpful. You guys are really doing a great job on conveying your experiences. They look great in the pictures. I am sure that they look very nice up close as well.

MIkeDuke

Focal - JM Lab Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by zest
hello hjj i am very seriously considering getting the same focal combination, they look great
do you have the time to post some honest thoughts about your new system in regards to some popular movies, my only concern is that center. I wish my local dealer would allow a home trial.
thank you in advance
I am only at about day 3 or 4 of having my new system setup and configured so I am still in the early stages of seeing what this system can really do. I can say that I find myself looking for deficiencies in that center now but I honestly can not say any have been detected at this point. I guess it is all in what you are used to but I really doubt you will find a better center for the money. And I can confirm without a doubt it is better than my previous Polk center.

The biggest difference in this setup versus my previous setup is the separation of each channel and how clean it sounds. I had an Xbox 360 racing game demo playing through my system over the weekend. In an opening scene, they had a racing car zoom by on the screen. I literally tracked my head from left to right at the roar of the car zooming from my left front to the center and finally to the right front. I am looking forward to picking up that new HD DVD drive that Xbox just put on the market. It is the most cost effective path to HD DVD at this time since I believe it is only $199. But I will be trying out my new Mission Impossible 3 DVD on my existing DVD player soon. Along with some of my old favorites like the Matrix and Gladiator. Both of those have scenes that many salesmen use in their showrooms to show off their speakers.

HJJ

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