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Question Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer ( AVS Forum Home Theater Computers )
Updated: 2008-05-24 05:10:17 (98)
Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Ok folks, here it is.
My First public version of Wunko Media Virtual Changer for Sony XL1B, I hope that you enjoy it.

This is version .01 and I'm sure (based on feedback) more will come.

Please download and run the setup.
I have only tested this with XP SP2 I don't know about it running on other OS'es.

Description :

This application simulates a network server.
The selected sony changers ( currently supporting XL1b1,XL1b2 or XL1B3) appear as folder underneath the NAS server and each disc and disc-contents appears as sub folder under each changers, this allows you to view the entire content of these changers (regardless of which disc is currently loaded).
Once you select a file that you want to play the virtual server will load the disk into the drive and begin
sending the data back seamlessly.


For XBMC this works great, it allow me to view and play files off these changers as if it was a network shared drive (when the file requires the changer to change the disk, it does so automatically), like a big Jukebox
in automatic mode. (configure up a playlist with all your music CD's in several or one changers and let it play and stream music continously all day long within XBMC).

In order to get XBMC to work you will have to update the network timeout for samba (advancedsettings.xml), but this is the only change necessary in order to enjoy these changers on XBMC.
to see how to make that adjustment you can read more about the advancedsettings.xml at the following link.
http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=Advanced...ml#.3Csamba.3E


You will need to have .net Framework 2.0 in order to run this app.
You can obtain that from here.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en


Here's a screenshot of the application.



If you should any issues or comments, please post them here.

Thanks
ZorroB

Answers: Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer ( AVS Forum Home Theater Computers )
Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
Thats the issue. I cant get the interface up at all. I click on the .exe and it crashes with the Im sorry for the Inconvenience error. So no combo box.

I get no errors in the event log of the system.

Not sure what to do next...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
use the combobox in the interface "Logging Level" Default is "OFF".
Duh, stupid of me... if you could get into the app.. then it wouldn't be an issue..
Sorry about that.. must'a been sleeping..

yes, you're correct edit the config (wunkomedialoader.exe.config) section = appsettings entry = loglevel and change the value to "INFO"

Once thats done try running the application and see if it provides you with a logfile.txt in the logs directory.

also, can you try running it as Adiministrator.

Sorry about that...

ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

is there anything i can help out with in getting this thing working for vista64?

cganesh75

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
use the combobox in the interface "Logging Level" Default is "OFF".
Duh, stupid of me... if you could get into the app.. then it wouldn't be an issue..
Sorry about that.. must'a been sleeping..

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by clint999
I was not able to make it work in visat so I installed XP, disabled RSA, installed NET 2.0, extract GU-055 to c:\gui-055 and installed dvd DECRYPTER IN THE DEFAULT DIRECTORY.
(Try to make this work first before I try your program)
If I start the batch file I receive "dvd decrypter cannot open file %4 error"
If I ignore the error message it will copy the mounted DVD but only one .. no batch copy

Any help would be great.
I have reported this suspicious post to Admin.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I was not able to make it work in visat so I installed XP, disabled RSA, installed NET 2.0, extract GU-055 to c:\gui-055 and installed dvd DECRYPTER IN THE DEFAULT DIRECTORY.
(Try to make this work first before I try your program)
If I start the batch file I receive "dvd decrypter cannot open file %4 error"
If I ignore the error message it will copy the mounted DVD but only one .. no batch copy

Any help would be great.

clint999

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
use the combobox in the interface "Logging Level" Default is "OFF".
Thats the issue. I cant get the interface up at all. I click on the .exe and it crashes with the Im sorry for the Inconvenience error. So no combo box.

I get no errors in the event log of the system.

Not sure what to do next...

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Yes sir,

SP2 installed.

I am assuming turing on the log file I need to set the value to "on" in the exe.config file? (default is "off")

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

use the combobox in the interface "Logging Level" Default is "OFF".

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
I love the idea behind this program.

Some info about my machine.

My machine is a Windows MCE 2005 fully patched up.

I have it joined to a 2003 Ent. Domain.

I installed this program, but it crashes everytime I try to open it.

Gives me the Sorry for the inconvience error. But thats it.

I have .NET 1.1 thru 3.5 loaded. So I think im covered there. The Changer is fully functional and used regularly...just sucks having to log in to change the DVD all the time.

The Remote Storage service is disabled. (Was by default)

So not sure where to go from here. Any tips or ideas would be greatly appreciated...and IM sure the kids and GF would greatly appreciate it aswell.

Take it easy.

-Cutty

Edit: It is an MCE machine...but I use SageTV if that matters. (The HD Extender rocks.)

Hi,
can you tell me if you have SP2 Installed... some components needs sp2 to be installed.

if that doesn't work, please set logging level to information or error and post me the log (logFile.txt, in the Logs directory) so that I can see it.

ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I love the idea behind this program.

Some info about my machine.

My machine is a Windows MCE 2005 fully patched up.

I have it joined to a 2003 Ent. Domain.

I installed this program, but it crashes everytime I try to open it.

Gives me the Sorry for the inconvience error. But thats it.

I have .NET 1.1 thru 3.5 loaded. So I think im covered there. The Changer is fully functional and used regularly...just sucks having to log in to change the DVD all the time.

The Remote Storage service is disabled. (Was by default)

So not sure where to go from here. Any tips or ideas would be greatly appreciated...and IM sure the kids and GF would greatly appreciate it aswell.

Take it easy.

-Cutty

Edit: It is an MCE machine...but I use SageTV if that matters. (The HD Extender rocks.)

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I have an update to my previously posted problem. I ran the program "as administrator" in Vista Premium and was able to start the NAS Server. However, I am not sure where to look for the server. It is not showing up in Computers or Networks. I looked in Drive Management as well and do not see it there.

Can anyone explain what I'm missing?

Thanks,
JBW

brent_wallis

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_wallis
I have an update to my previously posted problem. I ran the program "as administrator" in Vista Premium and was able to start the NAS Server. However, I am not sure where to look for the server. It is not showing up in Computers or Networks. I looked in Drive Management as well and do not see it there.

Can anyone explain what I'm missing?

Thanks,
JBW
Hi brent_wallis,

thanks for checking out the program.

When you start the server it will be started as if it was a nas server, and the name of the server will be what was entered in the edit box for Virtual NAS Server (default servername is WunkoMedia).

This "Virtual Nas server" is viewable under network explorer and is attached under the same domain as the host that started it.

Hope this helps...

Let me know if you have any other issues.

Thanks.
ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Hello,

First off, this is a great concept for controlling the Sony MediaChanger. I had no problem caching the drives, but I have been unable to start the server. When I click the button, nothing happens. I saw a comment about enabling network sharing, but since this is an Ethernet connected computer to a router, I cannot share anything.

Can you elaborate on how to proceed? How do the drives show up on the computer - under Network Places or My Computer?

Thanks in advance for the help.

JBW

brent_wallis

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Hi,
You mentioned Batch file ? do you mean the command line MediaChanger ?
normally imgburn (not dvd Decrypt) should show a log where it error'd and if the error was when it was attempting to read the changer or not.

if you have installed XP, make sure you have SP2... for there's some differences between driver versions when using SP2 and not.
I installed XP with all 54 updates and SP2. I did an upgrade from Net1.1 to net2.0 and disabled RSA.
After installing DVD decrypter in default directory and GUI-055 in c:\GUI-055 I edit the Scanbatch.bat
to :
IF %1 == 0 (
IF %2 GEQ 1 (
IF %2 LEQ 199 (
"c:\Program Files\DVD Decrypter"\DVDDecrypter.exe /MODE ISOREAD /SRC %4 /OVERWRITE YES /START /CLOSE /DEST c:\DVDISOS\[DISC_LABEL].iso
)
)
)

and copied it to the temp folder hoping that it will work. I have about 200 DVD's so I thought after I did the "full slot" scan and select the DVD's (in this case all) click on mount and close the full slot pop up window and hit "scan batch" but that does not work. It shows the progress bar with not "looking whats in the changer" than 2 quick dos windows pop up and that's it ....

I can manual do it by selecting in the gui the DVD slot, pus the start button and than start the scanbatch.bat manual with only :
"c:\Program Files\DVD Decrypter"\DVDDecrypter.exe /MODE ISOREAD /SRC %4 /OVERWRITE YES /START /CLOSE /DEST c:\DVDISOS\[DISC_LABEL].iso
in it with :

IF %1 == 0 (
IF %2 GEQ 1 (
IF %2 LEQ 199 (
))) removed.
But this is kinda slow because I do it one by one :-(

********************************************

it never passes the the lable (%4) because it breaks at "IF %1 == 0 (" with error message ", was unexpected at this time
c:\gui-055\temp\>IF == 0 <

it looks like that %1 is not pass from the GUI

sky-chicken

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by dougmuir
This looks pretty cool. Has anyone tried it with MCE/MyMovies? Or does the delay from mounting the disk cause things to timeout (and can you adjust the timeouts in MCE the way you can with XBMC)? Also, any chance of releasing the sources?

Thanks, I certainly enjoy it with XBMC. I haven't tried it with MCE/mymovies or attempted to adjust the network timeout for any other clients, but it should work as I have used it with WMP and MPC (media player classic) to play music off different CD's using a playlist and it has worked (slower on MPC then WMP to load and swap disc), but does work.

Regarding the source code, I'm not finished with some of the features I would like and it may change the structure dramatically, once I have a stable version that works across other OS's and such I will up the source, MediaDogg already up'd the changer source code to which this is derived from so if you want to start seeing what's written I would suggest you start there first.


Thanks for checking it out, let me know if you have any issues with it.
ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by sky-chicken
I was not able to make it work in visat so I installed XP, disabled RSA, installed NET 2.0, extract GU-055 to c:\gui-055 and installed dvd DECRYPTER IN THE DEFAULT DIRECTORY.
(Try to make this work first before I try your program)
If I start the batch file I receive "dvd decrypter cannot open file %4 error"
If I ignore the error message it will copy the mounted DVD but only one .. no batch copy

Any help would be great.
Hi,
You mentioned Batch file ? do you mean the command line MediaChanger ?
normally imgburn (not dvd Decrypt) should show a log where it error'd and if the error was when it was attempting to read the changer or not.

if you have installed XP, make sure you have SP2... for there's some differences between driver versions when using SP2 and not.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

This looks pretty cool. Has anyone tried it with MCE/MyMovies? Or does the delay from mounting the disk cause things to timeout (and can you adjust the timeouts in MCE the way you can with XBMC)? Also, any chance of releasing the sources?

dougmuir

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I was not able to make it work in visat so I installed XP, disabled RSA, installed NET 2.0, extract GU-055 to c:\gui-055 and installed dvd DECRYPTER IN THE DEFAULT DIRECTORY.
(Try to make this work first before I try your program)
If I start the batch file I receive "dvd decrypter cannot open file %4 error"
If I ignore the error message it will copy the mounted DVD but only one .. no batch copy

Any help would be great.

sky-chicken

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I checked services and it is not even there (RSM) (Vista Profesional)

sky-chicken

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by sky-chicken
I checked services and it is not even there (RSM) (Vista Profesional)
Are you running in compatibility mode for xp ?
or "Run as Administrator " ?

also, can you tell me if imgburn finds the devices.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

To get the drives visible but other applications (in XP), the Removable Storage needs to be disabled. I suspect the same holds true for vista... Not having the Vista OS intalled on any of my machines I can't confirm this.

Perhaps you can temporarily stop this service and see if the application does find the drives ?

Thanks
ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by sky-chicken
I can see all 4 changers in windows explorer and I use the changer in Media center so it has to be enabled. Also I use mymovies what needs FW 2.0

Donotknow what elso could that be ??
Did you perhaps misunderstand? RSM must be DISabled. You might find it already disabled in Vista. For XP and XP/MCE, you have to go to the services menu and disable it (not just stop). Are you sure that RSM must be enabled for Media Center?

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Sorry I haven't got vista.. so I didn't try it on that OS .. but for vista 32 it should work... I dunno about 64.

I know you probably already know this stuff, but for vista have you got the removable storage service disabled ?

The app needs to be able to read the deviceIO directly and removable storage always seems to lock it... please try this and let me know.

Thanks
ZorroB
I can see all 4 changers in windows explorer and I use the changer in Media center so it has to be enabled. Also I use mymovies what needs FW 2.0

Donotknow what elso could that be ??

sky-chicken

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by sky-chicken
does not work with Windows Vista :-(
Have 4 changers and not one shows up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cganesh75
same here. i am on vista64 and i have 1 changer. its not showing up. that link for .net 2.0 doesnt work for vista 64 either.

Sorry I haven't got vista.. so I didn't try it on that OS .. but for vista 32 it should work... I dunno about 64.

I know you probably already know this stuff, but for vista have you got the removable storage service disabled ?

The app needs to be able to read the deviceIO directly and removable storage always seems to lock it... please try this and let me know.

Thanks
ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

same here. i am on vista64 and i have 1 changer. its not showing up. that link for .net 2.0 doesnt work for vista 64 either.

cganesh75

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

does not work with Windows Vista :-(
Have 4 changers and not one shows up.

sky-chicken

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

wow finally, i will give it a try later today. i have a xl1b3 hooked to my vista64 pc.

cganesh75

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

so everytime you add/remove a disk you have to recreate the cache ?

cganesh75

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by cganesh75
so everytime you add/remove a disk you have to recreate the cache ?
Yes, that's correct... in the next version I'll try to have it where you can specify just to have the disc itself scanned.
But for now you have to recreate the cache everytime you insert/change a disc.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
This is why one of the features I'm gonna be adding into this app is to have it do a backup using selected computer drive/folder(s) and have it span/split and burn the files (un-compressed) across a set of available blank disc in the changer (got it kinda working now, but only for DVD +/- RW's, DL is incnosistent) .
Just fill up the changers with blanks, select the folder(s) from your pc that you want "copied" and click the burn button, the rest is taken care of by the app.
Yes, yes, yes! I bought an R200 with just this in mind. (On loan to Mediadogg right now, completing his dual drive support. Hope you'll do a merge with his latest code so we can have easy backup to dual drive changers with restores as easy as copying a file!)

peterd

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by HemiCuda70
I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on one of these from ebay. However, my LAN/RAS situation dictates static IPs. I have a second NIC dedicated to an HDHR that's using DHCP (169.254.x.x subnet). Will your software bind to it instead of my LAN NIC?
The software does a broadcast on all cards, so it should work... not tested.. but I'm certain it shd work.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on one of these from ebay. However, my LAN/RAS situation dictates static IPs. I have a second NIC dedicated to an HDHR that's using DHCP (169.254.x.x subnet). Will your software bind to it instead of my LAN NIC?

HemiCuda70

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
OMG bad sign. You had one but got rid of it ... Now maybe I'm sorry I got one. I thought having 2 drives would be cool - and there is always that faint hope of replacing the drives with more modern ones.

it's a good idea of having two drives, the issue was that the c200 was very picky at what media was put into the drives. I liked it, just back then when I got it I couldn't burn stuff like I do today (xl1b), I'm waiting for a good deal on the R200DL, those I don't mind having (dual layer, double DVD drive burner).

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Yes, that looks like it is... I don't have the c200 anymore (sold it on ebay).
but it does look like the battery you needing for it to remember.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Yes, that looks like it is... I don't have the c200 anymore (sold it on ebay).
but it does look like the battery you needing for it to remember.
OMG bad sign. You had one but got rid of it ... Now maybe I'm sorry I got one. I thought having 2 drives would be cool - and there is always that faint hope of replacing the drives with more modern ones.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Yep, thats correct.. it will once you get the battery replaced.
It is definitely dead. Seems to be 3.6V. I found one at Radio Shack - does this seem ok, or do you have any specific recommendations?

http://www.radioshack.com/sm-tadiran...i-2104707.html

Actually, I think it is, except that it does not have PCB leads. The old one has markings ER 14250 and "1/2 AA" that seem consistent with the Radio Shack replacement list and others I have since found using Google. Still wouldn't mind having your expert confirmation.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
@ZorroB
Hey man you are amazing. And it sounds like you have some awesome experience with these changers. I bought a Powerfile C200 on eBay, but it is sick. I also just bought the Sony maintenance manual, and I noticed what appeared to be a battery in a socket on the logic PCB. Sounds like you are saying that the C200 battery is soldered in. No problem for me. Will it come back to life when / if I replace the battery? (Now the turntable will spin, load / eject works, but it will not mount a disc, and it does not remember what is in the slots).
Yep, thats correct.. it will once you get the battery replaced.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

@ZorroB
Hey man you are amazing. And it sounds like you have some awesome experience with these changers. I bought a Powerfile C200 on eBay, but it is sick. I also just bought the Sony maintenance manual, and I noticed what appeared to be a battery in a socket on the logic PCB. Sounds like you are saying that the C200 battery is soldered in. No problem for me. Will it come back to life when / if I replace the battery? (Now the turntable will spin, load / eject works, but it will not mount a disc, and it does not remember what is in the slots).

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

hmmm wierd. i downloaded the driver, tried to install the changer utility in my vista 64 home premium machine and it says that i need to install vista first. wtf

cganesh75

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

ZorroB,

Where are you wanting to take this Program? You mentioned backup, and by the way it looks now long term file storage/retrieval.


I guess are you looking to make this a one stop program for the Changer? DVD library/Data repository/Backup? Or are you focusing on one appraoch?

Just dreaming of the possibilities, but realized that its more important to know where you are going with this then where I want you too..LOL.

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
ZorroB,

Where are you wanting to take this Program? You mentioned backup, and by the way it looks now long term file storage/retrieval.


I guess are you looking to make this a one stop program for the Changer? DVD library/Data repository/Backup? Or are you focusing on one appraoch?

Just dreaming of the possibilities, but realized that its more important to know where you are going with this then where I want you too..LOL.
Glad you asked..

What I currently use it for, is a way to access and stream movies/CDs/series to my XBOX (using XBMC as the F/E), which it does well.

Propose future of the app is to have one gigantic virtual drive (with upto 5 Changers appearing as one drive)...
The app will have the ability to take selected folders (via a user interface) and back them up (in un-compressed state, or Rar'd for large files like HD-MKV's) something similiar to Size-me and have these files readily available for transparent streaming (yeah, streaming of Videos within RAR is really cool).

another feature is to allow you re-organize your folder and files virtually, althou different in the changers, you will be able to create a virtual view of what / how you want the client to see your folders and files.
(for example you could create a virtual folder that holds all your action movies even thou the files are on different slots and changers or all your jazz music or all your favorite top 10 songs across a bunch of cd's spread on 3 different changer, just reorganize the virtual folders and have them appear as one folder oppose to multi discs and sub-folder thereof or oppose to re-mastering/burning new DVD's or moving the DVD's from one changer to another changer)

What's the point of storing all files burnt across changers/discs and can't use/reorganize titles seamlessly depending on how you use it.

The next feature is to have the app feel like a NAS server, which means that movies and CD's etc... start streaming within a couple seconds of requesting it, by doing/building a prefecth cache (during first scan of discs in drive) to help aid in feed'n the stream until the changer has switched to the appropiate drive and is ready to begin streaming the real file ( this will take some space on the local PC's drive, but will speed up the streaming process and that your data is really backed up in the changers whenever your PC drive dies and/or you need to switch, the cache / virtual drive can be recreated again without loss of the real files).

But those are some of my goals, these changers have become pretty cheap (althou discontinued - a major negative, but not as bad as the c200's which had a soldered battery and it had to be replaced every 5 years -yeah job security, hope I don't have this issue with the XL1Bx).

Anyways, it makes for an excellent NAS storage as long as you just feeding one stream at a time to the client (this is using firewire 400, I'm certain 800 does better but.. so far I only have used firewire 400) these changers will work fine.

Of course if you (or any avid XL1Bx owners) have some ideas, let me know, would love to hear about your thought as to how you would like to use your XL1Bx and WunkoMediaLoader.

...Again, this is just something I work/do in my spare time (shorter and shorter everyday) so it will not happen overnite (nor all features at once).

So for now the current app will allow you to enjoy streaming what you already have.


ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

brent, are you using vista 32 or 64? can you link to the latest driver?

cganesh75

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I found the new drivers here:

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...1B&region_id=1

You have to select Vista from the drop down. Hope this helps.

brent_wallis

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
Either way...keep on keeping on...this program (and the changer) is something I have been dreaming of for YEARS. (Always afraid my HDD will crash and will loose my MP3 collection/Program Collection)
Thanks for the input.

Yes, I do agree.
I didn't like the approach powerexplorer took, seems to much work on the user to do a backup/rip of what they have.

This is why one of the features I'm gonna be adding into this app is to have it do a backup using selected computer drive/folder(s) and have it span/split and burn the files (un-compressed) across a set of available blank disc in the changer (got it kinda working now, but only for DVD +/- RW's, DL is incnosistent) .
Just fill up the changers with blanks, select the folder(s) from your pc that you want "copied" and click the burn button, the rest is taken care of by the app.

Hopefully soon this will happen.

... almost there.. just feeling the pain of development without funds and time (so it's only when I can).

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Yeah another fault, I don't let you label the disc slots.... however.. if you use windows explorer and drill down to the cache folder / device serial no., you can change the slot names to whatever you wish, I don't depend on that to load the disc so you can name it whatever you wish.. I just don't have an interface for it other then let you use the windows explorer and prune the tree structure that way.
Ok that rocks. While it would be time consuming to do it for...200 Discs....Having the option is very nice. Wonder if there is a way to auto name via disc Name on the actual disc. So a Disc titled "42" would auto name the Folder in the cache "42".

Either way...keep on keeping on...this program (and the changer) is something I have been dreaming of for YEARS. (Always afraid my HDD will crash and will loose my MP3 collection/Program Collection)

Im still trying to figure out why my other PC wont load it...its not a Domain thing. Tested it on a 3rd machine running XP SP2 and loaded just fine. hmmm...Wonder if I killed something I shouldnt have. Oh well..ill figure it out someday...or just reload the thing...again.

Sorry for the rambling...alittle tired, and alittle sick so meds making me feel no pain.

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
First Impressions:

For Mp3's: This is sweet.
For Data Discs: This is sweet.
For DVDs: Not sure yet. How do you handle knowing which disk is in which slot? All I see when accessing DVDs are the TS_Video or whatever is on the dvds. But how do you know that disc 1 is Harry Potter, Disc 2 is Lord of the rings? For example.
Yeah another fault, I don't let you label the disc slots.... however.. if you use windows explorer and drill down to the cache folder / device serial no., you can change the slot names to whatever you wish, I don't depend on folder names (ex. disc 1,disc 2) in order to load the proper disc and file, so you can name it whatever you wish (ex Harry Potter oppose to Disc1).

(NOTE : if you redo cache via the interface..your directory names and layout will be replaced/overwritten to disc1/disc2 and so on) .

Eventually there should be an interface that allows you to prune/tweak/re-adjust slots, folders and files in the way you wish to see them via the share or drive, just that currently I don't have that interface ; but you can do currently thru windows explorers for now, just remember to not refresh cache from the f/e anymore or your changes will be lost.

ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
Well I actually have a second MCE 2005 SP2 machine...my Game machine. Just loaded it up on that one. Works good. Program opened...started a cache refresh. (Though I canceled after a few discs...Not patient atm.)

Observation 1: Virtual Server does NOT like static IP addresses. Could not see the server until I enabled DHCP.

I see it in the my Network Places now...but still trying to access it.

Edit: Everytime I try to connect to it wont let me. Dont have Permissions and such. Is this the part where I have to run it as Administrator regardless if I have Admin rights?

A couple things you can try, I know it's a pain but first thing is to try disabling the firewall, or granting an exception in the firewall to WunkoMediaLoader.exe.

As for running as Admin, I haven't had todo this.. but if the firewall exception/disabling doesn't work, I would say to please try running it as admin and let me know.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

First Impressions:

For Mp3's: This is sweet.
For Data Discs: This is sweet.
For DVDs: Not sure yet. How do you handle knowing which disk is in which slot? All I see when accessing DVDs are the TS_Video or whatever is on the dvds. But how do you know that disc 1 is Harry Potter, Disc 2 is Lord of the rings? For example.

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark

Observation 1: Virtual Server does NOT like static IP addresses. Could not see the server until I enabled DHCP. (On my physical NIC card)
Yeah, I'm so use to playing thru DHCP, I didn't realize that others might have it configured differently.

Well anyhow.. I'm hoping to do another version of this in the near future, it's gonna change from being a NAS share to an actually drive on the computer so that you can do the sharing either by using Windows Media Player or Tversity or ORB (this approach allows the xbox 360 and other devices to switch and play the movies directly) and/or let you do sharing under your computer that way it takes your 'puter settings , whatever perms and configuration that maybe.

Having a little bit of difficulties with it at the moment, so I won't give a timeline... but it will be done.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_wallis
Hello,

Well, everything is up and running fine. The NAS finds both MediaChangers and caches fine. I see Wunko in My Network Places and can browse the Disks without problems. However, I haven't been able to load a DVD. I'm probably stupid, but what is the best program to use to do this. And what file on the DVD do you run to watch?

I actually use SageTV and have been wanting to use this NAS program with Sage to browse DVDs on the changers. No luck so far.

Anyone with ideas?
Great to hear you have it working on Vista.

I normally only stream .MP3's, .flac and .AVI's, however for DVD's to work properly and have them streamed thru the virtual NAS you will need to have then (the mounted drive) appear as un-encrypted, a product such as anydvd has been doing the trick for me.

Let me know if this also works for you.

ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Hello,

Well, everything is up and running fine. The NAS finds both MediaChangers and caches fine. I see Wunko in My Network Places and can browse the Disks without problems. However, I haven't been able to load a DVD. I'm probably stupid, but what is the best program to use to do this. And what file on the DVD do you run to watch?

I actually use SageTV and have been wanting to use this NAS program with Sage to browse DVDs on the changers. No luck so far.

Anyone with ideas?

brent_wallis

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Sorry, I don't have a vista machine to do the proper testing, most of what I did was under XP sp2...

So it fails even if you run it as administrator...?

Seems really weird, at start up I don't ask for much.. so I can only think that it's missing a proper assembly, or.. something else with the framework.

anyways, let me know if you get it running in the VR machine.

ZorroB
Well I actually have a second MCE 2005 SP2 machine...my Game machine. Just loaded it up on that one. Works good. Program opened...started a cache refresh. (Though I canceled after a few discs...Not patient atm.)

Observation 1: Virtual Server does NOT like static IP addresses. Could not see the server until I enabled DHCP. (On my physical NIC card)

I see it in the my Network Places now...but still trying to access it.

Edit: Everytime I try to connect to it wont let me. Dont have Permissions and such. Is this the part where I have to run it as Administrator regardless if I have Admin rights?

Edit x2. I was looking in the wrong place found it as a shared folder. Was trying to access via the Network Places area (connecting directly to the Virt Server.)

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

FYI - If you are running Vista, there are updated drivers for the Sony MediaChangers on their website. I finally got mine working once these were installed.

brent_wallis

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Well, I went into the exe.config file and used all those switches. And nothing. Not 1 log file was generated....think im gonna try a VR machine to see if its my machine. I figure it wont work with the Changer...but hey..if i can get it to load its a step.

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
Well, I went into the exe.config file and used all those switches. And nothing. Not 1 log file was generated....think im gonna try a VR machine to see if its my machine. I figure it wont work with the Changer...but hey..if i can get it to load its a step.
Sorry, I don't have a vista machine to do the proper testing, most of what I did was under XP sp2...

So it fails even if you run it as administrator...?

Seems really weird, at start up I don't ask for much.. so I can only think that it's missing a proper assembly, or.. something else with the framework.

anyways, let me know if you get it running in the VR machine.

ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cutty Shark
rgr. At work atm...so cant check it out.

What are the switches for the log file? (I.E. OFF, INFO, ?, ?,etc)
Switches are :

"ALL", "ERROR", "INFO","INFO2"

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Hey,
You're actually able to get into the application, correct ?
was there anything that you did in order to get the application to show ?
all i did was install it, go into properties of the app and change compatibility to 32 bit mode and started it. it showed the first screen where you list what all needs to be done and stuff, but i dont see any changers to select.

cganesh75

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by cganesh75
is there anything i can help out with in getting this thing working for vista64?
Hey,
You're actually able to get into the application, correct ?
was there anything that you did in order to get the application to show ?

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

rgr. At work atm...so cant check it out.

What are the switches for the log file? (I.E. OFF, INFO, ?, ?,etc)

Cutty Shark

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Thanks but the problem appears to be on the Server side.... which in my case is xp, so i expect UAC will not apply.

Correct me if I'm wrong

bjassal

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by bjassal
Thanks but the problem appears to be on the Server side.... which in my case is xp, so i expect UAC will not apply.

Correct me if I'm wrong
If the client is Vista, try it anyway. I've been sharing files and streaming for a long time across multiple versions of windows. I recall needing to make sure that: (1) each system was in the same Workgroup, and (2) there needs to be an account on each shared machine with the same user name and password. So, long ago I set up a dummy user with admin access and password that I actually never log onto - it sits there as a way for each machine to validate media access to the others. Haven't had any sharing problems since. If I map a remote changer drive, I can double click it and watch the DVD - but with the bandwidth issues we are all aware of. (Actually I can't complain - I have a wireless bridge between servers, and I can still watch a DVD - stutters every now and then but I ignore it since I'm usually coding and testing anyway!)

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by bjassal
Again... I'd like to hear about other users experiences... And workarounds!

Thanks
Coincidentally, a user of my LoadDVD plugin was having similar trouble with external disk drives. He turned on User Account Control, and that solved it for him. Maybe give it a try.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

- An update -

My Problem No.1 from above isn't resolved, despite upgrading to AnyDVD 6.4.2.2 - The latest version.

So, if I want to switch from Disc X -> Disk Y, AnyDVD needs to be disabled and re-enabled on the Server machine for the client to receive the DVD stream.

I couldn't see any obvious configuration within AnyDVD to make it auto-detect a DVD Change.

In my case :
- Disk 0 - Family Guy
- Disk 1 - Finding Nemo

When switching from Disk 0 to Disk 1, Explorer correctly showed Finding Nemo; whereas AnyDVD showed Family Guy. Only when AnyDVD is 'bounced' then Finding Nemo is detected.

Again... I'd like to hear about other users experiences... And workarounds!

Thanks

bjassal

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Hi,

I finally got the Virutal NAS up and running and thought I'd share my experiences.

I've owned my XL1B2 for 1 week now (in the UK, so no Sony support!), so I'm very new to this and all the other forums discussed on AVS.

ADVICE :
I had the XL1B attached to XP MCE with the Virtual Media Server running across my LAN to Vista Home Premium x86. After enabling Network File Sharing on my XP MCE PC, I noticed that I wasn't able to stream the content to my Vista PC. Upon clicking on a Disc in the Virutal NAS Network drive (on Vista), the DVD Changer did kick in and change the disk but the calling application seemed stuck.

I read elsewhere in this thread that you need to have AnyDVD running... However it wasn't clear. Make sure you have AnyDVD running on your Server PC i.e. the one physically Firewired to the DVD Changer. This did the trick.

If you're still experiencing problems I would recommend the following :
- Disable your Server PC's local firewall
- Disable any AntiVirus / SPam software running
- Enable Windows File Sharing
- Ensure you both Server and Client PC's can ping each other
- If your content is DVD, ensure AnyDVD is enabled on the Server PC
- If you still have problems, try accessing the Virtual Network drive on the Server PC itself. (So normally, you would have it available as a physical DVD drive, say E, but try accessing it using the UNC convention (\\<ServerName>\etc... ) for your DVD Changer

PROBLEMS :
  1. I've run into one problem that, I can only play the current active slotted DVD. So if I click on an alternative disk, the DVD Changer will kick in, but I will not see an content playback on the Client PC. However, if I 'bounce' AnyDVD on the Server PC (i.e. Right Click the Tray Icon and Disable it, then re-enable it), then it will play back the new disk on the client PC. I expect this may be related to the fact that I'm running an older version of AnyDVD (v.5.4.1.1) and it's not re-scanning on DVD Change. I'll update AnyDVD to the latest version tonight and let you know if it works.
  2. I've found that DVD playback is incredibly stuttered. Both Video and Audio are broken with continuous intermittent pauses. I would like to hear from other users if they've experienced the same problem. My gut feeling is that my Server PC is underpowered. (Out of interest, why is this so demanding on the PC ?- Is your tool effectivly acting as a streaming server ?). Playing back a DVD on the Server itself is fine. My LAN is Gigabit and my HTPC is highly specced, hence why I'm suspicious about my Server's hardware. Any advice would be much appreciated
  3. Quite soon after I had run the intial set up, I wanted to modify my Changers name. Originally it was call aXXXX (X=digit, can't remember what!), but I changed it to 'DVD Changer'. Upon doing this, I noticed I could still see the aXXX folder. My Virutal NAS is called 'DVD Server', so now I can see :
    • \\DVDServer\media\aXXXX\ .... Disks...... <-- This one should have disappeared
    • \\DVDServer\media\DVD Changer\ ... Disks....

    Would I need to delete the cache to remove the old folder ?

SUGGESTIONS :
Firstly, let me say that this a great tool. I'm kinda glad that I bought my DVD Changer just recently, because my wife would have gone balistic if she saw that beast on my main lounge! With this tool, I'm able to hide it away in my 'Node Zero' under the stairs.

I can see this tool going a long way, so let me just say ZorroB (and in part MediaDogg as well)... Keep it going. You guys are doing amazing stuff with these scripts. Not everyone will give feedback, but trust me... .It is most appreciated.
  1. It sounds like ZorroB is running this on a XP SP2 Server to an XP SP2 Client. I would like to know if this application would run on Windows Server, particularly Windows Home Server. Has anyone out there tried it ? We should pass back our feedback on our OS as this will improve the application development.
  2. A major show stopper for me is the inability to know what disk is which slot across the LAN interface. Any chance the Disc foldr names could be renamed to actual DVD name, in a future release ?
  3. When building the folder and file list of the Virtual NAS, what is the possibility of creating a virtual Eject file ? So, Say I browse into VIDEO_TS for any given disk... Could a file be placed there called say '+Eject', which would Eject that specific slot ?
  4. I only had 10 disks in my DVD Changer but noted that during the scan, it has to go through all 200 disks. Is there any possibility of having a Cancel button, so that you can Start the Virtual NAS based on how far it's scanned so far ? The 10 disks got scanned quite quick, but I had to go through the motions of the other blank slots. So eventually, I had to Quit the application, re-start it and then enable the NAS. It would be nice if this Cancelling could be built into the application


This is amazing work guys. I'm looking forward to hearing about a succssive release!

bjassal

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Keep us updated if you able to get any further with your research...

ZorroB
Unless I'm missing something that others see, I am now of the opinion that any hopes of being able to substitute drives is near impossible. I tore apart an old DVD drive and compared the physical assemby. I didn't see any way to adapt it, and I could also tell that the physical arrangement of the changer drive was custom. For example, the disc enters from the side and is clamped in place by the action of solenoids, whereas the stock drive has discs entering from the front, and the clamping is triggered by the sliding of the tray. Probably the thing which allows them to assign a stock drive number to it is the electronics board and firmware. Theose indeed appear to be stock items, with extra long flat wiring to snake under the chassis to the mechanics.

I purposely chose an old drive - I wouldn't be surprised if a modern one was built differently, but mine was made in 2003.

Back to the drawing board. At least I'll stay busiy until Sony dumps the HES on the market.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
You are every kind. And thanks so much for the tip you PM'ed me. The beast is slowly coming back to life. I would love to get the latest firmware. What I've heard is that these old ones can't be flashed. You have to actually swap out the eprom. Oh well, it's worth a try to ask them. I also found some firmware upgrades for the drives that I will try later down the road. So far, neither the R200 nor the C200 do well reading recent burned DVDs, but they read commercial DVDs and CDs ok. I'm hoping that the drive firmware upgrade will solve that.

Check your private email, I sent you something.

DVD incompatibility, slowness of spin-up and the way in how service goes about maintenance of these (swaps only no repairs).. these are some of the reasons I had abandoned the c200. It was random trying to read burnt dvd's, on the other hand it work fairly well with the dvd-rams if you willing to stick with just that media.

Keep us updated if you able to get any further with your research...

ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Hey, first off... you never a clutter and never will be bother.
bummer that the c200 isn't wanting to come back from retirement, but I'm certain if you keep at it .. it will make it back.
you maybe need'n a firmware upgrade, but the tech guys at the powerfile shd be able to assist you with that.
You are every kind. And thanks so much for the tip you PM'ed me. The beast is slowly coming back to life. I would love to get the latest firmware. What I've heard is that these old ones can't be flashed. You have to actually swap out the eprom. Oh well, it's worth a try to ask them. I also found some firmware upgrades for the drives that I will try later down the road. So far, neither the R200 nor the C200 do well reading recent burned DVDs, but they read commercial DVDs and CDs ok. I'm hoping that the drive firmware upgrade will solve that.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by bjassal
Thanks for the feedback. Fingers crossed - XP finds the right driver when I try it out tonight.

I guess the same would apply to MediaDogg's suite of software ?
Good luck.

MediaDogg's suite of software should work just fine for sure, the masters software was tested first before the apprentice.

ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
I have used Virtual NAS with just XP sp2, and it worked with the drivers that came from microsoft just fine.
some others in th forum has had to install the drivers from sony in order to have it working, but in my experience is it does work using the xp sp2 and the default drivers provided by MSFT just fine.

Thanks for the feedback. Fingers crossed - XP finds the right driver when I try it out tonight.

I guess the same would apply to MediaDogg's suite of software ?

bjassal

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
I'm using the ones Vista loads automatically. earlier today I tried instaling the (unsigned) C200 driver from the Powerfile website. Doesn't work at all now. I have to back the driver off. The more I think about it, the more I think that it is most likely hardware (or firmware). The "move" command is obviously working for the IEport element. With the battery replacement, I now can do slot queries OK. It's only the move to or from a drive that doesn't work. I know the drives are ok, 'cause it came with discs loaded in the drives and I could see them and play them. For the price I paid, it is equivalent to one of these USB carousels - load / eject. By the way, I don't mean to clutter your NAS thread with this topic. If you have another question or comment, I'll see it, even if you post in the other thread. Your choice.
Hey, first off... you never a clutter and never will be bother.
bummer that the c200 isn't wanting to come back from retirement, but I'm certain if you keep at it .. it will make it back.
you maybe need'n a firmware upgrade, but the tech guys at the powerfile shd be able to assist you with that.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by bjassal
Hi,

I have some XL1B newbie questions, I'm afraid.

I only just bought one second hand in the UK a few days ago. I'm eager to have it networked and available to my Vista HTPC as well as other Media Players have around the house.

The questions I have is : Does this Virtual NAS software have to have the Sony software pre-installed, or just the driver ?

I was planning to install this on a regular XP PC (without MCE installed) but I'm concious the sony software would demand that it's installed on XP MCE or Vista Home Premium.

I fugured that XP would find the driver using the Web, so provided this Virtual NAS software isn't dependent on 'My Changer' or anything else, then it should work fine.

Could someone cofirm, please ?

Thanks
I have used Virtual NAS with just XP sp2, and it worked with the drivers that came from microsoft just fine.
some others in th forum has had to install the drivers from sony in order to have it working, but in my experience is it does work using the xp sp2 and the default drivers provided by MSFT just fine.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Hi,

I have some XL1B newbie questions, I'm afraid.

I only just bought one second hand in the UK a few days ago. I'm eager to have it networked and available to my Vista HTPC as well as other Media Players have around the house.

The questions I have is : Does this Virtual NAS software have to have the Sony software pre-installed, or just the driver ?

I was planning to install this on a regular XP PC (without MCE installed) but I'm concious the sony software would demand that it's installed on XP MCE or Vista Home Premium.

I fugured that XP would find the driver using the Web, so provided this Virtual NAS software isn't dependent on 'My Changer' or anything else, then it should work fine.

Could someone cofirm, please ?

Thanks

bjassal

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
That's not sounding good... can you tell me what are the version of the drivers you are using, are they the same for the XL1B ?
I'm using the ones Vista loads automatically. earlier today I tried instaling the (unsigned) C200 driver from the Powerfile website. Doesn't work at all now. I have to back the driver off. The more I think about it, the more I think that it is most likely hardware (or firmware). The "move" command is obviously working for the IEport element. With the battery replacement, I now can do slot queries OK. It's only the move to or from a drive that doesn't work. I know the drives are ok, 'cause it came with discs loaded in the drives and I could see them and play them. For the price I paid, it is equivalent to one of these USB carousels - load / eject. By the way, I don't mean to clutter your NAS thread with this topic. If you have another question or comment, I'll see it, even if you post in the other thread. Your choice.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
Oh well, my C200 didn't make it. Changing the battery did in fact bring back the memory of what is in the slots. I can load and eject under program control, but mount / unmount don't work. Maybe it's software. I've seen vague references to changes that had to be made to the IO commands for MS to finalize its driver - but they did not complete C200 testing. I will try to get some info from a former Powerfile engineer.

Meanwhile, I am snapping pictures as I go along, so I can eventually post some do's and don'ts based on my successes or failures.
That's not sounding good... can you tell me what are the version of the drivers you are using, are they the same for the XL1B ?

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I'd love to see the source code at some point -- I'm very curious how you've implemented the filesystem (I'm already somewhat familiar with controlling the changers). Under linux I'd use something like FUSE to build the filesystem, or VFS in Samba, but I'm not aware of anything similar for Windows. If you open up the source, I'm sure you'd get a number of people willing to contribute.

dougmuir

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Oh well, my C200 didn't make it. Changing the battery did in fact bring back the memory of what is in the slots. I can load and eject under program control, but mount / unmount don't work. Maybe it's software. I've seen vague references to changes that had to be made to the IO commands for MS to finalize its driver - but they did not complete C200 testing. I will try to get some info from a former Powerfile engineer.

Meanwhile, I am snapping pictures as I go along, so I can eventually post some do's and don'ts based on my successes or failures.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
you have to insert 500 ms. or so delay before destroying the handle for the Powerfiles. Sony doesn't seem to need that. Not sure which technique you use. You have the option of both in a long-running server.
Trully you're an AVID "Powerfile/XL1b" dude!... as incentive to get this done.... when you get this lib done with dual drive support I personally will donate and I hope the rest of the aficionados will do the same..

You're right with the delay, this is one of the reasons i went with the server approach as most clients have an in-built wait time, A couple back I downloaded something from some-one that checks to see when the drive has the stuff inserted / removed codeproject .

it says for USB, but works for any CD/DVD-ROM as long as you check for the drive you have mapped to the changer.

This is great that you have already gotten this far with this, so I have to ask being that I haven't done it.. have you had any issue daisy chaining the c200/xl1bx and r200 jointly on the same firewire, and if not "who's on first" ?

If you can do the timings while you have all the 3 devices ( I know you still working on getting the c200 going), I'm curious if there's any degradation of speed when 2 DVD's and "X" devices are playing at once (I know certainly for writing there's conflict).

I have two changers (both xl1b), I haven't tried running both at the same time for streaming, but in a couple I'm gonna turn them on and start pumping out multiple streams see what gives.

if you have the c# proj of this, please PM it to me.

Thanks
ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

@ZorroB
Good timing! I was upstairs doing some rudimentary testing while you were sending your last post.

Ok, my Gateway ML6703 Core Duo Laptap (2x 1.6 GHZ with 2 GB memory) has a Windows Experience base score of 3.1 due to poor graphics performance, but memory, CPU and disk are at 4.5. My firewire port is 4-pin.

Using VLC player and sometimes WMP, I had both drives of the R200 playing dual layer DVDs. Both CPU and memory ran between 30 and 40% with the video maximized and about 10% lower with the windows minimized. There was enough gas left over to do Internet Explorer and other non-intense windows tasks.

Adding the VGP playing an .mpg file from a data disk, the CPU and memory both went up to about 50% with all videos maximized, and again about 10% lower when minimized.

Alll videos played normally with no stutter, although as you might guess, sometimes double-clicking on the window was a bit sluggish.

No matter the order of wiring, the R200 always seems to come up as changer0, and the Sony as changer1. So, I have taken to attaching the Powerfile first. Have not done nearly enough testing to know whether it matters yet. Both the C200 and R200 show up as C200 changers in device manager.

Boy, that was fun. I was watching a 3 choice titles at once - don't ask.

Edit: Oh yeah, I use Code Project stuff a lot as well. Since you have a server, you miight want to look into WMI (if you haven't already). You can get to anything / everything you need. Only problem is that is asynchronous under the covers, so it is not good for real-time. But great for setting up server parameters. I've seen horrendous examples of how to use it, but I finally found and adpated a code snippet that gets the drive letter and anything else you want to know, very easily. Only issue - you have to wait 10 - 20 seconds! Again, that's ok when initializing a server.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZorroB
Dual drives sound cool...

However, right off the bat.. there's some limitation with dual drives and attempting to read from drive "A" and write/burn to drive "B" using the same device control to lock driveb thru the firewire chain, I suspect this is one of the reasons why Sony took and used one drive in the xl1bx oppose to two.. the issue is performance and reliability.

peterd and MediaDogg can you share your experiences with some timings (accessing both drives at once , watching two movies across both drives simul).

Just curious if your getting good performance or not.

Thanks,
ZorroB
Oh, you'll be the first to get any and all data. Not that far along yet. My code is just stabilizing. Next step is to package a dll or exe file that everybody can play with. In general, I'm finding that if you close a file handle after each operation instead of holding the handle for mutiple operations, you have to insert 500 ms. or so delay before destroying the handle for the Powerfiles. Sony doesn't seem to need that. Not sure which technique you use. You have the option of both in a long-running server.

If I get my C200 working, I need to validate whether the R200 timings work for that one.

Then I can play with dual drive scenarios. Actually I hadn't thought about streaming video from both drives at once. I can try that today or tomorrow. On the surface I don't see why it would be any worse than daisy-chaining two external firewire drives.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by peterd
Yes, yes, yes! I bought an R200 with just this in mind. (On loan to Mediadogg right now, completing his dual drive support. Hope you'll do a merge with his latest code so we can have easy backup to dual drive changers with restores as easy as copying a file!)
Ha! I doubt he needs any help on dual drive! What I meant about sharing was my experiences with timing issues for R200 / C200. Anyway, of course I would help in any way, but I suspect dual drive will not be an issue for the mighty ZorroB! ...

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
Ha! I doubt he needs any help on dual drive! What I meant about sharing was my experiences with timing issues for R200 / C200. Anyway, of course I would help in any way, but I suspect dual drive will not be an issue for the mighty ZorroB! ...
Dual drives sound cool...

However, right off the bat.. there's some limitation with dual drives and attempting to read from drive "A" and write/burn to drive "B" using the same device control to lock driveb thru the firewire chain, I suspect this is one of the reasons why Sony took and used one drive in the xl1bx oppose to two.. the issue is performance and reliability.

peterd and MediaDogg can you share your experiences with some timings (accessing both drives at once , watching two movies across both drives simul).

Just curious if your getting good performance or not.

Thanks,
ZorroB

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Hello ZorroB,

We exchanged messages some time ago, but I was wondering something. My Delphi app includes some metadata lookup features, and it sounds like that might be useful for your application. I don't know if you would be interested, but there might be a way to use a metadata lookup to name the disk folders automatically. The lookup process is web based so it should be possible to add code for it into your server. I am not sure what language your application is coded in, but if you are interested I could send you more details about the lookup.

PS: Does your application actually stream out material, or does it use file sharing to let the client retreive it directly ?

shizzle

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by shizzle
Hello ZorroB,

We exchanged messages some time ago, but I was wondering something. My Delphi app includes some metadata lookup features, and it sounds like that might be useful for your application. I don't know if you would be interested, but there might be a way to use a metadata lookup to name the disk folders automatically. The lookup process is web based so it should be possible to add code for it into your server. I am not sure what language your application is coded in, but if you are interested I could send you more details about the lookup.

PS: Does your application actually stream out material, or does it use file sharing to let the client retreive it directly ?
Shizzle... For sure... please pass it on so that I can accomodate it within my app.
I use c#, but can read (atleast a while back) delphi code.

yeah I do stream, but file blocks only.

ZorroB

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Hi folks.

Let me first send a warm thank you to ZorroB, Shizzle & MediaDogg for their joint efforts to enhance batch-use of the XL1B Changer !

I played around with FreeChng, MediaChanger.exe and the WunkoMedia Virtual Server with some luck -on a non-MCE WinXP SP2- with some success despite a slow start on it.

My aim is to start with batch-transferring a collection of data-only CDs/DVDs to some HDs. Working on a BeyondCompare or KillCopy commandline scripting solution that would mirror (& verify copy success) each disc into a HD folder named after the Disc's volume label (can this variable be retrieved from MediaChanger.exe or else ?), resetting read-only attribute but preserving the copied folders original timestamp using BC's "Touch" capabilities.

Yet it seems the Changer i just got off of eBay suffers of misalignement. I noticed after the full scan needed to initialize the Wunko tool (result was 2 discs' virtual folders had the same content). The very comprehensive re-alignement guidelines to do so look quite scary that i wish there were some screenshots to it :-). I undertsood from the related forum thread that it might be the prolonged rotating activity that could induce the misaligning, i.e. 2 hours of rotating/scanning could be too much some models can take :-(

Some questions to you guys:

- does any of your tool actually manage to edit/amend the Changer's internal database. I would like to reset the 170+ ghost DVDs entries in there when i received it. Seems to have no incidence on the WunkoNas cataloguing, but had no luck to force refreshing it with the MediaCHanger GUI or FreeChg. Anyone has the "Changer Diagnostic Tool" from Sony support or similar supposed to allow for that ?

- Anyone tried leveraging the MTX SCSI Media Changer drivers supposed to support the XL1b ? Anything desirable built on top of this yet ?

- I have no idea which XL1B model i have (B, B2, B3...). How can i figure ? Despite extensive AVS read-through I couldnt determine if it was of any importance to upgrade the firmware to B2 or B3 if i'm lagging. Is it ?

- To MediaDogg, please allow me for one comment: the box in the GUI where you type the slot number to act upon generally gets blanked after use, had generally to retype it before every button. I probably get it the wrong way though, and the 056x you just released maybe makes it irrelevant when using the enhance "FullSlots" list.
Imho, some mouseover balloon-tips on each big button explicitly stating what action each is supposed to trigger would be quite helpful if you have some time for that.


Anyways, thought i'd let you know that your work & tweaking IS very useful to me, and much appreciated, despite the many hours of browsing through the AVS and other places i had to go through to figure which way to go about the XL1B for batch-ripping and find out what tools were out there to put it to good use :-)
I'd be glad to put my 2 cents into a practical wiki if there is any around already and contribute to build-up a simple KB from all of passes through the forums and elsewhere.

Bests,

DMBoxer

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

@ DMBoxer

Wow, thanks for all the kind words and good info. Now we are getting on the right track.

I like the tooltips option, and it would be very easy to not blank out the slot entry. I think the original rationale was that it was an easy way (for me) to show that the operation was complete without writing some kind of message. Let me think about it.

MTX: tried it a long time ago. I don't remember why I didn't continue using it.

B2/B3, etc. Not aware of any major issues. I'm not even sure what models I have. The only thing I have done is to upgrade the Matshita DVD drive firmware. You can find it with Google.

Volume labels are what mc/GUI calls "Titles" and appear in Fullslots after an ID/Scan Auto operation.

Great suggestion about the wiki. I'm sure you have many better things to do right now, especially since your box is sick, but if and when you have time, let me know, and I will be glad to host it for you on my web site. I'll give you access to do whatever you want with it.

Drive label and batch scripting with the GUI: Here is a link to the forum post with the information on ScanBatch:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post10450388

mediachanger.exe does not retrieve disk label (I guess it could, but any script can just as easily also get it, since you know the drive letter).

One last thing: ZorroB shared with me the diagnostic sequence for the Powerfiles using the front panel menu. But the Sony does not have that menu. I will look to see if there is a way to do it under program control. @ZorroB, Shizzle - any ideas?

If you have to take off the bottom cover, you could remove the memory backup battery I guess for a few minutes - maybe that would do it. CAUTION: I have never tried this.

Edit: If the box actually thinks there are discs in the machine that aren't there, then pressing "Eject" twice should cause it to sequentially unload the box of the phantom discs. If that doesn't work, you might have a bad or weak battery (used for memory backup - they should last at least 5 years). You will have to remove the bottom cover and replace the battery. You can get them for about $10. I'll post a link later.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Thanks for the info & link above. To retrieve the Disc Label i can actually use argument %4 in ScanBatch.bat to pass it on to the BeyondCompare commandline script. Point covered :-)

The most surprising finding was how i could realign the carrousel in a simple manner (thus for now evading the dreadful instructions involving extensive disassembling of the Changer :-) :
- remove the top cover
- turn power off: the critical step, as it's only when power is OFF that the carrousel wheel really freely slips on its base.
- Align the reference internal slot with a black mark precisely with the loading opening.

This seemed to restore alignement after testing with loading a dozen discs across the 200 slots. We'll see if it stands the test of batch transferring 200 discs in a row. Could be that it isnt suitable for all possible misalignement issues as well anyway.

[edit] misalignement back since, i guess i'll have to go for the full cure :-|

DMBoxer

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I have searched and searched.... has anyone tried to put a BlueRay DVD drive in one of these and have a BlueRay Changer?

ellisr63

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by DMBoxer
Thanks for the info & link above. To retrieve the Disc Label i can actually use argument %4 in ScanBatch.bat to pass it on to the BeyondCompare commandline script. Point covered :-)

The most surprising finding was how i could realign the carrousel in a simple manner (thus for now evading the dreadful instructions involving extensive disassembling of the Changer :-) :
- remove the top cover
- turn power off: the critical step, as it's only when power is OFF that the carrousel wheel really freely slips on its base.
- Align the reference internal slot with a black mark precisely with the loading opening.

This seemed to restore alignement after testing with loading a dozen discs across the 200 slots. We'll see if it stands the test of batch transferring 200 discs in a row. Could be that it isnt suitable for all possible misalignement issues as well anyway.

[edit] misalignement back since, i guess i'll have to go for the full cure :-|
I have the same misalignment with my R200. I have been searching for hours and can not find the instructions for cureing the alignment. Could you please post a link to it.

Thanks,
Steve

sredmyer

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by sredmyer
I have the same misalignment with my R200. I have been searching for hours and can not find the instructions for cureing the alignment. Could you please post a link to it.

Thanks,
Steve
Ok I found the instructions for doing the realignment. Here is the link
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post10415037

Hope this prevent the next guy from having to spend das reading that incredibly long thred to find those instructions

sredmyer

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ellisr63
I have searched and searched.... has anyone tried to put a BlueRay DVD drive in one of these and have a BlueRay Changer?
Funny, I thought of the same thing, as I'm sure many others have.
There's a Matsushuita (aka Panasonic, right?) drive in the the Sony Changer--I'll be it has special firmware to talk to the changer, and may even be hardware modded to work with a special eject and such...

If you really like blu-ray, you can donate some money to sony in exchange for this--
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644516277

HES-V1000 Home Entertainment ServerProvide endless home entertainment with this unique multimedia server. Equipped with a 200-disc Blu-ray Disc? changer and a 500GB hard-drive, it is the ultimate media organization solution for your digital movies, music and photos in one attractive, stand-alone device.

Ok, now I have a question--

I have 3 sony changers--can't get them all to work at the same time via daisy-chaining--any pointers??

is it possible to use multiple firewire ports from the PC or from a Firewire hub?
thanks!

adam99

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by adam99
I have 3 sony changers--can't get them all to work at the same time via daisy-chaining--any pointers??

is it possible to use multiple firewire ports from the PC or from a Firewire hub?
thanks!
All the points in your post and all your questions are discussed many times over in the VGPXL1B "Unofficial" Thread and in the VGP-XL1B Software Support thread. I hope you are not asking because you don't want to do the work of reasearching what others have already said.

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaDogg
All the points in your post and all your questions are discussed many times over in the VGPXL1B "Unofficial" Thread and in the VGP-XL1B Software Support thread. I hope you are not asking because you don't want to do the work of reasearching what others have already said.
well sorrrry mr. grumpy mediadogg--I did take a look, but b/c of the back & forth btween people off topic, I didn't see it right away... I'll look again more thoroughly, but if you could point me to the right place, that would be
nice ;-)

What do you think of the blu-ray changer I sent a link to? Wonder if your software will work with it! I'm about to try your newest release...

adam99

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by adam99
well sorrrry mr. grumpy mediadogg--I did take a look, but b/c of the back & forth btween people off topic, I didn't see it right away... I'll look again more thoroughly, but if you could point me to the right place, that would be
nice ;-)

What do you think of the blu-ray changer I sent a link to? Wonder if your software will work with it! I'm about to try your newest release...
Well it's ok to call me grumpy. I refrained from saying what I thought about your approach, but it is clear to me from your comments and questions that your investment in taking advantage of the tremendous amount of information here has been minimal. The fact that you don't have the patience to discover things when it is not easy or immediately apparent does not require anyone to compensate. Of course, others might be willing .. I'm not. (Edit: But I can admit that it is probably better for me to keep quiet if I have nothing positive to add - that I will try to do in the future.)

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

anyways, to get back to the task at hand, I'll take another look in the forum, but in the meantime, if anyone else cares to give me any info about my question from above, I wouldn't mind ;-)

a happy & nice 4th of July to all

Mod's edit: Needlessly rude post edited.

adam99

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

has anyone looked at the service manual to see if the BlueRay drive from their $3500 changer would work in these to make an inexpensive BlueRay changer?

ellisr63

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

I finally figured where RSM service is in Vista.
It is not installed by default. You have to add it.
Control Panel/Programs/Windows Features.

I Still can not get it to work.
I have tried with both 64 and 32 bit versions.

wpbguy

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by wpbguy
I finally figured where RSM service is in Vista.
It is not installed by default. You have to add it.
Control Panel/Programs/Windows Features.

I Still can not get it to work.
I have tried with both 64 and 32 bit versions.
Can you give some more details of what you are trying to get to work? Exactly what hardware - how it it connected - using exactly what software. Also tell us whether you have installed any vendor (such as Sony) drivers or applications? (Oh I see I am in the NAS thread, so I assume that is the software? - there are three threads concerning the Sony changer that I look at - I sometimes forget which one I'm in).

MediaDogg

Sony XL1B NAS Virtual Changer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ellisr63
has anyone looked at the service manual to see if the BlueRay drive from their $3500 changer would work in these to make an inexpensive BlueRay changer?
VGPXL1B Service Manual does not give enough details to know. HES Service manual doesn't exist yet - except for a 3 page sham. Got my money back.

I have confirmed that the firewire bridge supports electrical compatibility and a data rate sufficient for BD and HD (see my prior posts), but so far I have not gotten the changer to come online when drives other than those it shipped with were attached to the bridge. Caveat: testing done on C200, whose bridge is already configured for 2 drives, and whose carcass is expendable. Ain't messin' with the innards of my Sonys until absolutely necessary. (Edit: I do plan to try again with the C200. Hopefully somebody out there will try the same with a Sony.)

MediaDogg

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