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Question Burlington VT HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Updated: 2008-05-24 07:02:22 (3172)
Burlington VT HDTV

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Channels status:
Burlington, Plattsburg (Mt Mansfield)

* WVNY-DT 13 (ABC) on-air (hard to get)
* WPTZ-DT 14 (NBC) on-air
* WETK-DT 32 VPT (PBS) on-air
* WFFF-DT 43 (Fox 44.1, the CW20 on sub-channel 44.2) on-air
* WCAX-DT 53 (CBS) on-air
* WCFE-DT 38 - Mountain Lake (PBS) on-air

Montreal

*CBFT-DT 19 (SRC) on-air
*CBMT-DT 20 (CBC) on-air
* CFCF-DT 21 (CTV) Did not applied yet for license, No news
* CIVM-DT 27 (TQC) Got license, Early 2008
*CFJP-DT 42 (TQS) on-air Testing
* CKMI-DT 51 (Global) Did not applied yet for license, No news
*CFTU-DT 54 (Canal Savoir) Did not applied yet for license, No news
*CFTM-DT 59 (TVA) Got license, no more news
* CJNT-DT 69 (CH)Did not applied yet for license, No news



Updates:
TV stations in the Burlington market to collocate facilities on Mount Mansfield. Work began June 20, 2005 and is expected to be completed in 2006.

Major activities include:
Summer 2005:
Site preparation and excavations for WCAX building expansion; installation of tower foundations at the WCAX and VPT sites. Building expansion at the WCAX site; new pads for generators and oil containment facilities at the WCAX site.

Winter 2005-2006:
Completion of interior construction of the WCAX building expansion. VPT work to prepare for the installation of its new transmitter.

Summer 2006:
Installation of three new monopole towers, transmission lines, oil containment facilities. New transmitters and antennas installed for all broadcasters.

Summer 2009:
Assuming January 1, 2009 as the date U.S. broadcasting is digital only, five old towers removed and dismantled, leaving three monopole towers on Mt. Mansfield.
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My original post:
Does anyone knows when burlington networks will be digital?

thanks

Answers: Burlington VT HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dweebus
Is anyone able to receive the WPTZ weather station on 5-2 OTA? We get the same thing on 5-2 that's on 5-1. The text ID of 5-2 shows as WPTZ-WX. Since WPTZ has no guide information I can't tell if I should be getting weather or not on 5-2. I had our Hanspree Xv rescan for stations but we still get the same thing. It sounds like a lot of people have trouble with WPTZ HD service, but they advertise their weather station so heavily, I would think it would be there.
3-2 works great, we watch it a lot more then I expected.
It is working fine for me--well, as good as WPTZ gets. Perhaps, it's time for their station manager to get the hell out of the zoot suit detective garb from his latest on-air editorial, and set about figuring out why they have the worst signal of all the locals.
Note too, that WCAX has started to use their 3.2 signal to carry their news broadcasts when the regular channel has sports programming which has gone beyond the regular news start time.

teacher1066

Burlington VT HDTV

Can someone please post a link to the fcc rules for local digital channels carried by cable companies? Comcast is insisting you must pay for a box to get local HD channels. I know there are no must carry rules yet, but thought if they are carrying it on the system it must be in the clear as part of the most basic package for those who have their own tuners.

njirnet

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by njirnet
Can someone please post a link to the fcc rules for local digital channels carried by cable companies? Comcast is insisting you must pay for a box to get local HD channels. I know there are no must carry rules yet, but thought if they are carrying it on the system it must be in the clear as part of the most basic package for those who have their own tuners.
The FCC 'must-carry' rule only applies to what-ever the station designates as their primary channel (which currently is probably their analog signal). The cable company cannot put that signal on any tier that would require you to pay extra for (i.e: beyond their basic service cost). If the cable company has an HD tier the station will usually negotiate that they be included as no extra charge in exchange for carriage however, there are no hard and fast rules on that. If the cable company is paying the station for the HD carriage, then they can require you to pay them for the feed.

Some stations get around it by designating their HD as the primary channel. The only trick there is that then they usually have to buy the cable company a down converter or else the cables 'basic' feed of the channel will have sidebars (or even a postage stamp) and no one wants to deal with those complaints.

The other wrinkle is that not all cable companies can or will pass the full 19meg PSIP-included digital stream from the station. If your 'non-cable box' service is analog, you cannot get the digital HD without a cable box.

Basically, your stuck. At least until 2009. Even then, they may not be a full digital signal to your home.

If you want to wade through the actual rule language it is probably burried somewhere at fcc.gov.

VideoTech

Burlington VT HDTV

Contrary to what some cable company employees will tell you, you don't need a box to get local HD. Your TV does need a built-in (QAM) tuner however, and of course Comcast has to be sending HD in the first place.

Up here in Colchester, we get local HD on 112.1, 112.2, 112.3, 113.1, 113.2, and 113.3.
(NBC, NBC Weather, Another NBC, PBS, CBS Weather, and CBS) This is in-the-clear, no box.

Still waiting for Comcast to start beaming Fox and ABC!

vtjim

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by vtjim
Contrary to what some cable company employees will tell you, you don't need a box to get local HD. Your TV does need a built-in (QAM) tuner however, and of course Comcast has to be sending HD in the first place.

Up here in Colchester, we get local HD on 112.1, 112.2, 112.3, 113.1, 113.2, and 113.3.
(NBC, NBC Weather, Another NBC, PBS, CBS Weather, and CBS) This is in-the-clear, no box.

Still waiting for Comcast to start beaming Fox and ABC!

You are lucky to have one of the newest systems which pass the full 19 meg stream.
I am jealous.

VideoTech

Burlington VT HDTV

re: WVNY Audio Dropouts.

For the past few weeks I have been providing diagnostic information to a vendor enginer working on the missing center/dialog channel and overall DD5.1 audio dropout problem experienced by Ch22.1/WVNY-DT since they came on the air in October. At this point three major changes (replace defective Dolby Digital encoder, software update for more/bigger buffers, level adjust between equipment) have been made and as of last night I couldn't detect any signs of the problem.

If anyone detects a missing dialog channel or total dropouts, please post here so more diagnostic work can be done.

HDBruce

Burlington VT HDTV

I have just been trying to pull the Comcast QAM HD channels in on my Samsung TX-P2670wh which has a QAM tuner in it but can't get any of them. Comcast states I should be able to get it, but was wondering what the "19 meg stream" comment meant from VideoTech? Comcast has no info on how to do it, but I have tried everything and can't get any results. I've tried STD, IRC, HRC settings all with QAM on. I'm stumped and want to make sure I'm getting all I can from the overlord Comcast...

vtjim: Are you using a new tv with QAM built in? My tv is about two years old I think. Is it out of date for this?

VideoTech: Can you eloborate on teh "19 med stream" comment?

martinm0

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett
Hi Guys,

Getting ready to bite the bullet and buy my first HDTV antenna. The Superstore in Williston has this one in stock - they say it is the best for getting reception in out of the way places like where I live:

http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/s...4126&langId=-1

Would you know of any installers who can plunk it in the right position near the attic roof and wire it to the house? Also, any of you hear how the Audiovox Slim Profile Outdoor HDTV Antenna works versus maybe a better antenna?

Thanks in advance,

Brett
in Charlotte (South of Burlington)
Let us know how it works out. The Channel Master 4228 is considered by most to be the best long range antenna; however it is almost UHF only, but will pick up the top end of VHF (10-13).

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

Does anyone else on here use the 4228? I think I have had very good luck with the VHF on mine. I have been able to get a signal on every upper VHF channel from as far away as Boston and Montreal. And for low VHF, I get a clear picture on analog 3 from 65 miles away but I think a coat hanger would probably have similar gain.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

Thanks for the quick update, but that channel master will get me in hot water with town zoning - my house is smack in the center of town at the most visible corner and I can't trim the hedge without half the village stopping in their cars to make comments. No way that huge rake type antenna is going to go unnoticed. So I'll have to beta test the Audiovox unit for others here...

Thx

Brett

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmogTDI
now if only CTV could move their A$$es and go HD in Montreal it would be nice.
Personally, I gave up on CTV and I am looking forward to new HD OTA Network proposed by HDTV Networks Inc. who submits application to CRTC for new national over-the-air television network specializing in high-definition programming for Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, and Halifax. In the CRTC acknowledgement "http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/eng/notices/2007/pb2007-62.htm" they mentioned that << Given that spectrum allotment in certain markets is limited, the Commission may consider utilizing spectrum designated for the transaction of existing broadcasters transition from analog to digital as set out in PN 2002-31.>> witch means that in Montreal this new station may end-up on channel 21 wich was assign to CTV in Montreal.

RonXYZ

Burlington VT HDTV

For the past few mornings I have been receiving both Montreal CBC digital signals. I've occasionaly locked 2.1 (French on Ch 19) before but never 6.1 (English on Ch 20). 2.1 has a signal strength in the 60's and 6.1 has a strength in the 50's. I haven't heard of antenna relocations to Mt. Royal or power increases so I assume this is the result of some favorable atmospherics. I'm picking these signals up from a side lobe of my attic-mounted antenna, so the signal is really quite strong.

HDBruce

Burlington VT HDTV

Rather than asking Comcast about when they'll be carrying WVNY and WFFF, I asked the affiliates themselves. I sent the message a couple weeks ago and finally got a reply today.

Quote:
Jason~
Thank you for taking the time to email us.
Currently, we are in negotiations with Comcast to become available on
cable. We have already established a link to their site, so as soon as
those negotiations are complete, WVNY will be ready to go.

Sara Carpenter

digason

Burlington VT HDTV

Question about non-local HD on Comcast... We bundled internet and cable, got VOIP (seems okay at the moment) and an HD DVR that is stationed in our bedroom on our HDTV there.

There are lots of HD cable channels. We don't have the digital tier or anything upgraded like that. Shouldn't our other TV (with QAM tuner) be able to get those HD channels, or are they scrambled even though they're free?

I'm not sure I like how the cable box sends the picture to the TV, but I guess that's a different rant. Comparing the DVR to TiVo is like comparing Windows 95 to a present-day Mac.

vtjim

Burlington VT HDTV

The cable company is not allowed to scramble the OTA channels whether SD or HD. If you have a QAM tuner, you should be able to see those channels along with any other service you are paying for.

P.S. I agree...Even a Windows 95 PC is smarter than a current day MAC.

VideoTech

Burlington VT HDTV

I wasn't clear... I don't mean the OTA (local) HD content. The TV already gets CBS, NBC, and PBS, along with the associated weather subchannels. Via cable. No box.

However, there are other HD channels the box is pulling in, like Discovery-HD and NESN-HD and those sorts of channels that are not broadcast OTA.

My question is, how are those other channels put through the cable, and why can't my QAM HDTV pick any of them up without a box? Are they scrambled so we indeed need a box to get them? Just curious.

vtjim

Burlington VT HDTV

Yes they are scrambled and the QAM tuner cannot decode them unless you have a cable card (and a cable card slot on your TV).

VideoTech

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by digason
Rather than asking Comcast about when they'll be carrying WVNY and WFFF, I asked the affiliates themselves. I sent the message a couple weeks ago and finally got a reply today.
That's a good idea. I emailed them too just to let them know people are eagerly awaiting for this to happen.

Shoey Peachew

Burlington VT HDTV

ALERT! All Montreal stations are now off the air.

I just checked WVNY-13's signal but see no improvement despite CFCF-12 being off the air.

Anyone else want to try it out?

Update: Sorry, they're back on the air.

foxfan

Burlington VT HDTV

Hey, guys.
I did try skimming some of the pages but it was impossible for me to absorb all 84 pages of conversation.... I'm a student at Champlain College in Burlington, Vermont and will be residing at "Spinner Place" in Winooski next year. I recently invested in a 50" Sony 1080p HDTV and was wondering from anyone with knowledge of the area --- what will be better for HD programming? OTA? Cable? Satellite? I don't know what services are offered in the area, what channels there are, etc. I'd love to get ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX/CW all in HD if at all possible... though I do see that some stations aren't up yet. If anyone could offer any advice or knowledge on the subject, I'd be most appreciative Thanks!

Joe

jkoz

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jkoz
I recently invested in a 50" Sony 1080p HDTV
Geez. When I was in college, I was one of a small handfull who actually had my own TV. It was a used 13" CRT TV. My how times have changed.

Quote:
and was wondering from anyone with knowledge of the area --- what will be better for HD programming? OTA? Cable? Satellite? I don't know what services are offered in the area, what channels there are, etc. I'd love to get ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX/CW all in HD if at all possible...
All the networks you mention, except CW, are broadcasting in HD over the air. Some of them (I forget which) are available in HD from Comcast cable. None of them are available in HD from either Dish or DirecTV.

So, your best bet if you're only interested in getting the networks in HD is to stick up a bow tie and rabbit ears. If you're in a large building, it helps to have an exterior wall which faces East, which is where the transmitters are located relative to Winooski.

If, however, you have more than 1 or 2 walls between you and the outdoors to the East, not much signal is going to get through, in which case your only option would be to go with Comcast. I should mention that the networks are sent over cable "in the clear", so you don't need to sign up for anything more than basic cable service in order to get the locals in HD using the built-in tuner on your HDTV.

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

I just got my E*HD upgrade yesterday and I am very pleased with the content. With the standard package, it was 200 channels and nothing good is on. The HD package has a lot of quality programming.
In preparation for the install, I ordered (from Monoprice.com) and ran a 50' composite bundled cable under the house from my living room primary location to the secondary 32" HDTV in the bedroom, so we wouldn't lose the local OTA from the usual coax to TV2. The picture in the bedroom from the HD receiver, although in SD, is very good (better than analog OTA and much better than the standard satellite picture had been on my primary TV). The installer said that he'd done hundreds of these and I was the first to use the composite connection. He thought the picture looked better than the coax hookup.
Of course the 52" primary TV gets the full HD and looks great. I moved my OTA cable from the TV to the VIP-622 DVR/receiver, did a channel scan that sucked up 12 local digital OTA channels. I edited out the two test pattern transmissions and got a higher signal strength on the 622 than I had been getting on the TV tuner. I used the HDMI connection and no longer have to switch the TV input between OTA and the satellite S-video. The content on the 27 new HD channels is great, with several movie channels (none are premium), Discovery HD plus a couple of other channels that feature the kind of stuff seen on VPT, Discovery and National Geographic. The NASCAR race at the Brickyard in Indy was beautiful on ESPN-HD and there a a few specialty channels for sports, arts, food, home & garden, music, etc.
I don't think cable or D* can compare.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

I've got the ViP622, too. I like it a lot. Bit of a bummer that only one of the 2 outputs is HD. However, I've found a "workaround"...

I'm using the TV1 HDMI output to one HDTV display, and the TV1 Component Video + analog audio outputs to a 2nd HDTV display in a different room. With the ViP622 in "single mode" instead of "dual mode", I can still use the RF remote in the other room and get full HD PQ there (instead of having to live with SD PQ in the 2nd location). The down side is that I can't watch 2 different programs on the 2 displays at the same time. On the rare occassion we want to do that, I've got myself covered by also wiring the TV2 Composite Video + analog outputs to the 2nd display.

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by vttom
I've got the ViP622, too. I like it a lot. Bit of a bummer that only one of the 2 outputs is HD. However, I've found a "workaround"...

I'm using the TV1 HDMI output to one HDTV display, and the TV1 Component Video + analog audio outputs to a 2nd HDTV display in a different room. With the ViP622 in "single mode" instead of "dual mode", I can still use the RF remote in the other room and get full HD PQ there (instead of having to live with SD PQ in the 2nd location). The down side is that I can't watch 2 different programs on the 2 displays at the same time. On the rare occassion we want to do that, I've got myself covered by also wiring the TV2 Composite Video + analog outputs to the 2nd display.
Pretty slick! I'll keep that in mind. I wonder if they will ever make TV2 HD outputs. As it is, they are down converting the HD signal. I'd think it would be cheaper just to pass it on. I'm sure when they designed the 622 they didn't envision folks having more than one HDTV.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiSmuggs
Pretty slick! I'll keep that in mind. I wonder if they will ever make TV2 HD outputs. As it is, they are down converting the HD signal. I'd think it would be cheaper just to pass it on. I'm sure when they designed the 622 they didn't envision folks having more than one HDTV.
I've also discovered when in "dual mode", and watching the TV2 Composite Video output, that the 622 acts as if there is no HD at all. It won't even let you tune in a down-converted HD channel. (they might have changed this, I haven't checked recently)

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by vttom
I've also discovered when in "dual mode", and watching the TV2 Composite Video output, that the 622 acts as if there is no HD at all. It won't even let you tune in a down-converted HD channel. (they might have changed this, I haven't checked recently)
I haven't had any trouble getting the downverted 94xx channels from TV2's composite input. The only problem I had is when I inadvertently scheduled a recording on Tuner2 and my wife was miffed at not being allowed to change sat channels.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

I know that the WCAX news isn't HD, but is it 480p or just 480i widescreen? It looks amazingly good for non-HD and it looks so much better than our other local newscast.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by habscolts
I know that the WCAX news isn't HD, but is it 480p or just 480i widescreen? It looks amazingly good for non-HD and it looks so much better than our other local newscast.
I thought it was HD - too good a pic not to be

rogerpl

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by habscolts
I know that the WCAX news isn't HD, but is it 480p or just 480i widescreen? It looks amazingly good for non-HD and it looks so much better than our other local newscast.
WCAX says that it is HD and it looks that way to me. Does anyone know why WPTZ's SD broadcast looks so much worse than everyone else's? Even when I got it via satellite, it looked like they smeared petroleum jelly on the lens, but the SD transmission via the digital OTA still is awful, but their HD broadcasts are good.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

Anybody having problems getting the UHF HD signals from Mt Mansfield this morning (Aug. 3)?

I can get HD on 22-1 (VHF) and all the analog UHF that I normally get (33, 22).

But I can't get 3-1, 3-2, 5-1, 5-2, 33-1, 33-2, 33-3, 44-1, and 57-1 this morning. I have gotten these stations fine in the past. Today, all these station now have very low signal except 5-1 and 5-2, which have a strong signal but no picture.

Is it me? Located in Hanover NH.

Dan

dmendelsohn

Burlington VT HDTV

WPTZ HD (Channel 705) is down on Comcast right now...

SubEd

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmendelsohn
Anybody having problems getting the UHF HD signals from Mt Mansfield this morning (Aug. 3)?

I can get HD on 22-1 (VHF) and all the analog UHF that I normally get (33, 22).

But I can't get 3-1, 3-2, 5-1, 5-2, 33-1, 33-2, 33-3, 44-1, and 57-1 this morning. I have gotten these stations fine in the past. Today, all these station now have very low signal except 5-1 and 5-2, which have a strong signal but no picture.

Is it me? Located in Hanover NH.

Dan
I just now checked, and I don't see any change in the signal strengths for any of the OTA HD locals. Channels 5-1 and 5-2 are broadcasting "dead air".

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

Did a rescan on my TV and all is well except WPTZ-DT (5-1 and 5-2). Sounds like it is them not me.

thanks,
Dan

dmendelsohn

Burlington VT HDTV

How many hd channels come with direct tv?

couchpotato1072

Burlington VT HDTV

HBO and Showtime (if you subscribe to either/both), ESPN and ESPN2, Universal, TNT, Discovery HD, HDNET and HDNET movies, a HD PPV channel and various specials from time to time (eg: The Concert for Diana last month). They will light up everything available in HD (NESN, A&E, MTV, National Geographic, CNN, The Weather Channel, ...) in mid-September if the satellite they launched last month checks out OK. The Burlington locals will come in HD sometime later, probably mid-2008.

HDBruce

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmendelsohn
Did a rescan on my TV and all is well except WPTZ-DT (5-1 and 5-2). Sounds like it is them not me.

thanks,
Dan
I think that WPTZ may have had a lighting hit. I saw them losing their signal while they were broadcasting a news block. At that point the anchors were talking about the fierce lighting outside and then the picture started breaking up. Although the SD signal broke up three times, it came back on the air. The HD 5.1 did not. I assume it is a problem at the studio as the actual modulated signal from the mountain is still up.

teacher1066

Burlington VT HDTV

re WPTZ breakup. I"ve seen it a few times also when it is raining cats and dogs outside and the rain is heading towards Mt. Mansfield. I think they have a pretty long microwave link up to the mountain and may be having rain fade problems. Just speculation.

HDBruce

Burlington VT HDTV

I just found out that NH public television is now broadcasting on digial channel 50 out of Hanover NH. Their analog transmitter failed during the winter and they decided not to replace it and went straight to digital. This gives another possible choice of PBS for those whe have trouble getting VT PBS.

wfcat

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wfcat
I just found out that NH public television is now broadcasting on digial channel 50 out of Hanover NH. Their analog transmitter failed during the winter and they decided not to replace it and went straight to digital. This gives another possible choice of PBS for those whe have trouble getting VT PBS.
What are the station call letters?

Brian_O

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian_O
What are the station call letters?
It used to be WHED-TV....Don't know if it still is, though.....

dsanbo

Burlington VT HDTV

NH public television main channel call letters are WENH. However, the translator station broadcasting on digital 50 is W15BK

wfcat

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wfcat
NH public television main channel call letters are WENH. However, the translator station broadcasting on digital 50 is W15BK
So it's the channel 15 analogue signal that has been discontinued, replaced by digital on channel 50. Doesn't do the channel 15 viewers who only have analogue TVs much good. It's too bad the inexpensive digital converter boxes won't be available until next year.

Brian_O

Burlington VT HDTV

Hey guys,

Since most of you are rather versed in antenna installations, I figured I'd run this by you. Due to the general hassle of trying to place an antenna outside of a condo, I ended up temporarily mounting a CM-4221 inside of a window, which happens to be perfectly aimed toward Mt. Mansfield. My tuner shows 3 signal strength levels - 25, 50, 75, 100%. All channels come in at 100%, except for WVNY which comes in at 75%.

My question is that periodically, the signal will break up just for a fraction of a second. I'm trying to see if I can avoid this. It seems to be on any channel, except for Fox for some strange reason.

Firstly, the antenna, since I mounted it indoors, is not grounded. Does that affect the reception of this type of antenna? I don't believe it does, but I wanted to check.

Secondly, would adding some kind of a signal amp help me out potentially, or would I just overload the tuner? The tuner is a PC-based AverMedia A180, so if it blows, ah well... I really don't care *that* much It's not like I'm destroying my HDTV's tuner.


If anyone has any advice, I'd appreciate it. I plan on moving into a house in about 6-8 months, and will correctly mount it wherever i end up.. and hope for near LOS

Thanks, guys!

canadianeh

Burlington VT HDTV

What you are seeing seems to be usual for digital signals. I've camped at a few campgrounds with HD cable and see the same thing, only much worse than my OTA signal at home. Often it is probably the feed to the transmitter rather than your setup, so I wouldn't worry about a pre-amp for now. The grounding is for electrical surges (lightning) and are not required any more for your indoor installation than for a set top antenna. I hope this helps.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

canadianeh, it sounds to me like you've plenty of signal, and an amp would not help. It sounds more likely that there's some kind of interference. I've found the best way to debug interference problems is to connect the antenna to an analog tuner (if you have one) and tune into channel 22 and/or 33, where you can tweak the antenna and downlead to minimize the appearance of sparkles, snow, ghosting ,etc.

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by canadianeh
Hey guys,

Since most of you are rather versed in antenna installations, I figured I'd run this by you. Due to the general hassle of trying to place an antenna outside of a condo, I ended up temporarily mounting a CM-4221 inside of a window, which happens to be perfectly aimed toward Mt. Mansfield. My tuner shows 3 signal strength levels - 25, 50, 75, 100%. All channels come in at 100%, except for WVNY which comes in at 75%.

My question is that periodically, the signal will break up just for a fraction of a second. I'm trying to see if I can avoid this. It seems to be on any channel, except for Fox for some strange reason.

Firstly, the antenna, since I mounted it indoors, is not grounded. Does that affect the reception of this type of antenna? I don't believe it does, but I wanted to check.

Secondly, would adding some kind of a signal amp help me out potentially, or would I just overload the tuner? The tuner is a PC-based AverMedia A180, so if it blows, ah well... I really don't care *that* much It's not like I'm destroying my HDTV's tuner.


If anyone has any advice, I'd appreciate it. I plan on moving into a house in about 6-8 months, and will correctly mount it wherever i end up.. and hope for near LOS

Thanks, guys!
I've found, being in the flight path of the Burlington airport, that quite often a jet flying over will create a signal loss for a few moments. Certainly this is far more severe than anything that I ever found with analog signals. Perhaps we all have more to fear from US Air than their penchant for losing luggage.

teacher1066

Burlington VT HDTV

Hey everyone, a note on the NHPTV transmitter from Hanover. Has anyone actually picked up the signal yet? I'm less than 3 miles from the tower and my television won't pick up an ATSC signal on channel 50. This could be because my antenna is pointed at Mansfield but I doubt this is the case since I am able to pull in WNNE and WVTA from Ascutney which is about 20 miles without a problem. I also saw on the FCC website that their construction permit was for an extremely low ERP, maybe .15 k? Anyways, I don't think the loss of analog 15 is a big deal for folks in my area. We are adequately covered by NHPTV from 49, 52, and 11, not to mention WVTA. I'm pretty sure I was the only one who noticed the station going off the air in the winter, I think it was around March sometime, I remember posting about it in here. I was debating sending them an e-mail but when I saw WPTZ's signal strength jump up because of the lack of co-channel interference I quickly changed my mind.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

NH Public Television on channel 50? What about WZMY-TV (MY) channel 50 in Derry, NH?

KML-224

Burlington VT HDTV

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Originally Posted by habscolts
Hey everyone, a note on the NHPTV transmitter from Hanover. Has anyone actually picked up the signal yet? I'm less than 3 miles from the tower and my television won't pick up an ATSC signal on channel 50. This could be because my antenna is pointed at Mansfield but I doubt this is the case since I am able to pull in WNNE and WVTA from Ascutney which is about 20 miles without a problem. I also saw on the FCC website that their construction permit was for an extremely low ERP, maybe .15 k? Anyways, I don't think the loss of analog 15 is a big deal for folks in my area. We are adequately covered by NHPTV from 49, 52, and 11, not to mention WVTA. I'm pretty sure I was the only one who noticed the station going off the air in the winter, I think it was around March sometime, I remember posting about it in here. I was debating sending them an e-mail but when I saw WPTZ's signal strength jump up because of the lack of co-channel interference I quickly changed my mind.
Yes I have been receiving the signal on digital channel 50. Since you are so close to the tower you may have to repoint your antenna toward Moose Mt to get the signal.

wfcat

Burlington VT HDTV

I just checked on the TV Fool/Google Earth thing for W15BK in digital. It turns out that the station is transmitting at an extremely weak power, and about 40% of Lebanon and 15% of Hanover (where the transmitter is located) can receive no signal at all. The Burlington stations have a stronger signal at my location than W15BK, so it would take at least a Channel Master 4228 to pull in a station less than 3 miles away. Good work NHPTV! It's a good thing I can receive strong signals from 2 VPT stations and I could easily receive the other two if I adjusted the antenna. As for NHPTV, its definitely not worth it to lose WCAX, WETK, WPTZ, and WVNY to pick it up.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

I just checked on the TV Fool/Google Earth thing for W15BK in digital. It turns out that the station is transmitting at an extremely weak power, and about 40% of Lebanon and 15% of Hanover (where the transmitter is located) can receive no signal at all. The Burlington stations have a stronger signal at my location than W15BK, so it would take at least a Channel Master 4228 to pull in a station less than 3 miles away. Good work NHPTV! It's a good thing I can receive strong signals from 2 VPT stations and I could easily receive the other two if I adjusted the antenna. As for NHPTV, its definitely not worth it to lose WCAX, WETK, WPTZ, and WVNY to pick it up. And as KML-224 pointed out, it was not a well thought out decision to put the station on 50 because of interference with WZMY. There are so many options that would have worked better, including putting the station on channel 15! New Hampshire Public Television and Vermont Public Television seem to have had some serious issues picking digital stations, and many will probably be surprised in February 2009 when they can pick up the PBS from St. J (18), Rutland (9), and Hanover (50), if they decide to broadcast at an ERP above .05 kW, which were all bad decisions based on very close analog transmitters on the same station.

By the way, anyone who is using an antenna for reception should consult tvfool.com or there's a thread about it in the HDTV Reception Hardware Forum. The Google Earth tool is one of the neatest things I have seen for determining television reception. There are files to download for the Burlington DMA (which includes Montreal stations), as well as other DMA's which cover the area. Check it out!

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

Here is the latest from Dish HD. Sorry still no NESN but...
DISH Network Expands Nation's Largest HD Package
More National HD Channels, More HD Regional Sports Networks
ENGLEWOOD, Colo., July 10, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- EchoStar Communications Corporation (NasdaqISH) and its DISH Network(tm) satellite TV service today announced exciting enhancements to its industry-leading DishHD programming package.

On July 11, DISH Network will launch eight Regional Sports Networks (RSNs) in high definition (HD) that feature game-only baseball content, including Fox Sports Network Arizona (Ch. 365), Fox Sports Network Northwest (Ch. 376), Fox Sports Network Cincinnati (Ch. 377), Fox Sports Network Pittsburgh (Ch. 378), Fox Sports Network Detroit (Ch. 380), SportsTime Ohio (Ch. 381), Fox Sports Network North (Ch. 386), and SportsNet New York (DISH Network Ch. 388). With the launch of nine HD RSNs earlier this year, these new additions bring DISH Network's total lineup of HD RSNs to 17, with more channel launches planned for Aug. 15.

Also on Aug. 15, DISH Network will add seven national HD channels to its DishHD programming package, including MHD, featuring music programming from MTV, VH1 and CMT; Golf/Versus HD; Animal Planet HD; The Science Channel HD; TLC HD; Discovery HD, and History HD, which will debut on Sept. 1. With these additions -- plus more planned for mid-September -- DishHD subscribers will continue to have access to the largest national HD lineup in the United States.

teacher1066

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxfan
I just noticed Fox is currently off-the-air. They must be replacing the transmission line that was crushed last fall so they can put their "real" antenna up and start broadcasting full power 47kw instead of 18kw. The signal was already strong for me, but for others who had trouble getting it, it might come in a little better once the upgrade is done.

While they're at it, anything they can do to tweak the "9V battery-powered" WVNY transmitter so that it can actually reach a populated area?
Foxfan - thank you very much for your post on WFFF increasing their signal strength! Because of that post I retried my attic antenna, which I had tried in the winter with no success. Fox now comes in loud and clear. I watched the All Star game last night in glorious HD, and now can look forward to Saturday baseball, the World Series, the NFL regular season and the Super Bowl in HD without having to rely on Comcast (heaven knows when they'll add Fox).

To any readers out there who tried and failed to get Fox OTA before, its worth a shot to give it a try again with the increased signal strength. It was just enough to get me over the hurdle. I get signal strength in the 70-75% range now, and I was getting about 35% in the winter. I live in Essex, VT, not too far from the towers in terms of miles, but on the far side of a hill with lots of pine trees, so I don't have direct line of sight to the towers.

One other interesting thing - I get the best reception with the antenna tilted up about 30 degrees. The signal must be following the contour of the hill, since the antenna is pointing much higher than where the tower really is. (The antenna is one of those Radio Shack outdoor models like the ones you see in pictures from the 50's).

NFLHDNow

Burlington VT HDTV

OK,

I have the Philips silver sensor that has worked fine for quite some time and now I am seeing that even with 80% signal on 3, 5, 22, 33, 44 and 53 I get no picture. This happened about 2 months ago and I thought the channels were just not broadcasting that day and now I am concerned.

Any chance my TV had something go wrong with it?

- Kuli

mkulikow

Burlington VT HDTV

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Originally Posted by mkulikow
OK,

I have the Philips silver sensor that has worked fine for quite some time and now I am seeing that even with 80% signal on 3, 5, 22, 33, 44 and 53 I get no picture. This happened about 2 months ago and I thought the channels were just not broadcasting that day and now I am concerned.

Any chance my TV had something go wrong with it?

- Kuli
It's doubtful. I bet its just the rain, I've been getting a lot of dropouts tonight with relatively strong signal strengths.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

WCAX has been 4:3 SD since about 9:20 when they went to that special report. This seems odd for them since they do some of their local commercials as well as news in 16:9

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by teacher1066
Here is the latest from Dish HD. Sorry still no NESN but...
DISH Network Expands Nation's Largest HD Package
More National HD Channels, More HD Regional Sports Networks
ENGLEWOOD, Colo., July 10, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- EchoStar Communications Corporation (NasdaqISH) and its DISH Network(tm) satellite TV service today announced exciting enhancements to its industry-leading DishHD programming package.

On July 11, DISH Network will launch eight Regional Sports Networks (RSNs) in high definition (HD) that feature game-only baseball content, including Fox Sports Network Arizona (Ch. 365), Fox Sports Network Northwest (Ch. 376), Fox Sports Network Cincinnati (Ch. 377), Fox Sports Network Pittsburgh (Ch. 378), Fox Sports Network Detroit (Ch. 380), SportsTime Ohio (Ch. 381), Fox Sports Network North (Ch. 386), and SportsNet New York (DISH Network Ch. 388). With the launch of nine HD RSNs earlier this year, these new additions bring DISH Network's total lineup of HD RSNs to 17, with more channel launches planned for Aug. 15.

Also on Aug. 15, DISH Network will add seven national HD channels to its DishHD programming package, including MHD, featuring music programming from MTV, VH1 and CMT; Golf/Versus HD; Animal Planet HD; The Science Channel HD; TLC HD; Discovery HD, and History HD, which will debut on Sept. 1. With these additions -- plus more planned for mid-September -- DishHD subscribers will continue to have access to the largest national HD lineup in the United States.
Looks like Dish Network is the way to go. DirectTV keeps making these promises of more HD channel content, but Dish keeps on delivering. Now all we need is Burlington in HD and I'll be a happy camper.

lcmora

Burlington VT HDTV

Is anyone closer to Plattsburgh able to check out what's happening on channel 38? I could get a weak signal last night but couldn't lock it.

FYI, this would be the temporary "backyard" WCFE-DT transmitter.

foxfan

Burlington VT HDTV

Does anyone know for sure that Fox is now broadcasting at full power? I have not noticed any improvement in their signal compared to last winter.

Also, any news on what the plans are for 22.2 and 44.2 which are now just showing test patterns.

wfcat

Burlington VT HDTV

I'm getting a signal strength in the low 90's from their temporary transmitter in Plattsburgh. I only got about 70 from the Lyon Mountain site. So far they have only transmitted their SD signal on this transmitter, however.

HDBruce

Burlington VT HDTV

as a reference for people around Montreal :

I live 90 km north of Montreal, near the St-Sauveur ski slopes. Here is the channel line-up I get with an UHF Channel Master 4221 (4 bays) :

Analog

2 SRC
3 CBS
5 NBC
6 CBC
7 TVA Sherbrooke
9 SRC Sherbrooke
10 TVA
11 Global
12 CTV
17 Tele-Quebec
22 ABC
24
30
33 PBS
35 TQS
46 Global

Digital

2 SRC HD
3 CBS HD
5 NBC HD
6 CBC HD
22 ABC HD
33 PBS-HD Vermont
44 FOX-HD
57 PBS-HD NY

now if only CTV could move their A$$es and go HD in Montreal it would be nice.

SmogTDI

Burlington VT HDTV

One other comment on my new setup, relative to amplifying the signal from the antenna. I compared the Radio Shack 15-1170 to the Channel Master Titan 2 (model 7777). The prices are about in the same range ($39.99+tax for Radio Shack, $57 with shipping/insurance from eBay). However, the Channel Master is significantly better.

With the Radio Shack unit I get Fox HD steady, with signal strength about 73-75%, but ABC HD is spotty with signal strength jumping around between the 30's and a high of 50%. With the Channel Master I jump to 83% and again a steady picture on Fox HD, but the bigger difference is on ABC HD where I jump to 50-56% with a steady picture. I don't get any of the other HD signals steady enough to use them on the antenna, but since I get them via Comcast I was really just trying to get Fox and ABC to fill the gap. Hope this helps for those of you on the bubble for getting reception.

NFLHDNow

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wfcat
Does anyone know for sure that Fox is now broadcasting at full power? I have not noticed any improvement in their signal compared to last winter.

Also, any news on what the plans are for 22.2 and 44.2 which are now just showing test patterns.
Yeah, on June 13th they switched over.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

OK thanks. I guess I'm too far away to see any improvement in their signal strength.

wfcat

Burlington VT HDTV

Switched over on June 13th eh. I didn't see any gain in Montreal either.

Disto

Burlington VT HDTV

WFFF was always strong for me so I can't really compare.

foxfan

Burlington VT HDTV

Hi Guys,

Getting ready to bite the bullet and buy my first HDTV antenna. The Superstore in Williston has this one in stock - they say it is the best for getting reception in out of the way places like where I live:

http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/s...4126&langId=-1

Would you know of any installers who can plunk it in the right position near the attic roof and wire it to the house? Also, any of you hear how the Audiovox Slim Profile Outdoor HDTV Antenna works versus maybe a better antenna?

Thanks in advance,

Brett
in Charlotte (South of Burlington)

Brett

Burlington VT HDTV

Hey everyone. Thanks for all the info along the way. I can't believe this forum has gone to 77 pages so far!

I need some help with picking an antenna for OTA HDTV. I know there are lots of places to get reviews and specs, but I'm hoping some of you can shed some light on my issue. I live in a townhouse off Spear St. in SBVT. Becasue its a townhouse, I can only put an outdoor antenna on my porch, which happens to be on the west side of my unit. I have a porch off the second and third floor, though the third floor one is just a small one (extends out 4' from unit). The direction I need to face the antenna to face Mansfield is E by NE, which is the other side of the unit form the porches. I set up a Radio Shack 15-2187 antenna (with 50 to 100' RG6 cable) and was able to get WCAX and Plattsburg PBS from lower porch with about a 50-60% signal (TV doesn't have numbers for the signal). Then I moved it to the higher porch, and was able to get NBC, but not WCAX now. And the ignal didn't stick. I'm about 19 miles from mansfield per antennaweb.org, plus I'm kind of down a hill, so there's no line of sight. I'm thinking at this point now that I'll put an antenna inside, but my TV is in the basment and getting RG6 run from the antenna to the TV is going to be a pain.

So, I'm wondering what anyone thinks about me putting an antenna in my basement (concrete foundation up to the second floor) and point it out the small window (1.5' by 3') towards mansfield? Will the concrete prevent too much signal from getting through? I tried putting a TERK TV5 antenna there and got nothing, but I didn't expect it too. Would you have a suggestion on which antenna might have the specs to do this? Or, is it a pipe dream and I should lay off the hash pipe? I can also set up an antenna inside upstairs somewhere, but getting the signal to my TV will be a problem since the house is wired with RG59 instead of RG6, and the wife will kill me if I start ripping holes in the wall...

martinm0

Burlington VT HDTV

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Originally Posted by HDBruce
Boston Legal isn't either. No way to reach them. Ugh. What a mickey mouse station!
This was a network problem as discussed in this thread.

TVOD

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by TVOD
This was a network problem as discussed in this thread.
Yeah that's correct. I posted here before I saw that thread. There was no HD on any ABC station except on the West Coast, the problem was in New York, not Burlington. Apologies to WVNY, who tries, and successfully fixes their problems instead of leaving an annoying white line at the top of the screen and NEVER responding to emails.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

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Originally Posted by HDBruce
re: WVNY failure to switch to HD feed:

The audio problem was hardware, software and inter-unit levels and was the responsibility of the vendor who sold them the equipment.. It was intermittent and very hard to debug, especially by a vendor from out of state.
The "not throwing the switch" video problem is a local responsibility. It would seem that if anyone were monitoring the picture on a HD monitor.....

Update:
I wrote to Sara this morning and received this reply: "This was an operator error, but we have taken the steps to prevent this from happening again."
I got the same exact reply. It says something when they have to create a "one message serves all". I will suggest that they establish a phone line into master control so people could report these problems.

teacher1066

Burlington VT HDTV

re: WVNY failure to switch to HD feed:

The audio problem was hardware, software and inter-unit levels and was the responsibility of the vendor who sold them the equipment.. It was intermittent and very hard to debug, especially by a vendor from out of state.
The "not throwing the switch" video problem is a local responsibility. It would seem that if anyone were monitoring the picture on a HD monitor.....

Update:
I wrote to Sara this morning and received this reply: "This was an operator error, but we have taken the steps to prevent this from happening again."

HDBruce

Burlington VT HDTV

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Originally Posted by waltinvt


I don't believe my HDTV has QAM - at least nothing specifically in the menu but if there was a chance I could get the local networks in digital (HD), I'd consider getting some kind of QAM receiver.
What is yor HDTV's make and model number?. If it's a Sony HDTV with a model number starting with the letters "KD" it probably has a QAM tuner.

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Brian_O

Burlington VT HDTV

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Originally Posted by waltinvt
I know they also refer to some of their extended basic channels as "digital cable" but the picture quality is no better than the SD I get with satellite.
Why would you expect digital SD over cable to be any better than digital SD over satellite?

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Originally Posted by waltinvt
I don't believe my HDTV has QAM - at least nothing specifically in the menu but if there was a chance I could get the local networks in digital (HD), I'd consider getting some kind of QAM receiver.
I know about a lot of HDTVs which have built-in tuners that support both ATSC and QAM, but only advertise the ATSC capability. There's no harm in hooking it to the cable feed, doing a channel scan, and seeing what you get.

Alternatively, you could buy one of those inexpensive USB dongles that's an ATSC/QAM tuner just as a way to find out if there are any QAM channels in the clear coming down the pipe.

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by teacher1066
How can they get it right like last week and yet fail miserably this week.
I've had some behind-the-scenes insight into how television stations operate, and other technical enterprises. It's a bit of a sham sometimes, because from the consumer's perspective, things appear to be higly streamlined and automated but, at the back-end, there really are people pushing buttons and making things happen in real-time. People make mistakes. This brings to mind the line from the Wizard of Oz: "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by VideoTech
Do you have digital cable to the home? (I.E. Are there some channels you have to have a cable box to get?) HD is not the issue as is the cable head end. If it is a digital head end, then yes, even tho they may not have an HD tier they COULD pass the full stream but I'm guessing they don't.
Currently I only sub to their basic programming, so no box but I know they require one for their extended basic. My mother has it and uses their box to change channels. I know they also refer to some of their extended basic channels as "digital cable" but the picture quality is no better than the SD I get with satellite.
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Originally Posted by VideoTech
If they are specifically saying they do not plan to add HD, my guess is they are mainly an analog plant and it may be too cost prohibitive given the number of subscribers, to upgrade to digital. In that case, you probably will never get the full stream.
That was my assumption until I read your prior post: "To solve the issue, many cable companies are now passing the entire 19meg stream from the station. They still cherry pick the channels they want for their system but the entire stream is delivered to the home and if you have a TV with a QAM tuner you can decode all of the channels".
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Originally Posted by VideoTech
In the remote areas, you will probably end up with a DISH type system to get cable networks in HD and an antenna to get local HD.
I have Dish Network for everything including HD but they don't yet provide the Vt locals in HD. The only reason I have basic cable with Charter is it's packaged with my high speed internet.

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Originally Posted by VideoTech
If your digital set had a QAM tuner you would see that option in the menus as the set would have to switch your inputs between antenna, cable or AV inputs. (Note:Cable in this case being QAM and not the old HRC/IRC options).
I don't believe my HDTV has QAM - at least nothing specifically in the menu but if there was a chance I could get the local networks in digital (HD), I'd consider getting some kind of QAM receiver.

waltinvt

Burlington VT HDTV

That's because all Fox affiliates are controlled remotely from the Fox Network, so there can be no errors in switching to the network feed.

foxfan

Burlington VT HDTV

It is time to write Sarah Carpenter at WVNY--again and again! (scarpenter@abc22.com) You have to wonder if anyone's actually monitoring the channel 22 transmission.
It would be interesting to me to hear about the interraction that one member had with the engineers about this problem. How can they get it right like last week and yet fail miserably this week.

teacher1066

Burlington VT HDTV

Dancing with the Stars not in HD. Very disappointing.

habscolts

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by habscolts
Dancing with the Stars not in HD. Very disappointing.
Yeah...the audio problem seems to be fixed...but now there's no HD at all!

FlameMoth

Burlington VT HDTV

Boston Legal isn't either. No way to reach them. Ugh. Too bad we don't have a way to alert them via phone.

HDBruce

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDBruce
Boston Legal isn't either. No way to reach them. Ugh. What a mickey mouse station!
And the strange part is FOX44 is the same parent company and they are absolutely perfect...never had a single problem with their HD feed. The shows are always in HD when they're supposed to be, no audio or video problems.

FlameMoth

Burlington VT HDTV

Brett,
Glad to help. Actually, many Radio Shacks don't carry rooftop antenna supplies anymore and the closest Lowes is Plattsburgh, so the pro installer may be your best bet. I ordered my antenna via internet and found a some of the rest at Home Depot. Also, Camels Hump is not on Mount Mansfield. Mansfield is where Stowe Ski Resort is.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

Hi SkiSmuggs,

Your help is super, making it several days / weeks less work to find out what's available and then figure out what to do about it - much appreciated !

So I guess I'll head down Shelburne Road where the Radio Shack franchisee is an older gent who's run the shop for ages. He ought to know what I'll need for an antenna. Camel's hump is within line of sight, and I ought to be able to receive stuff from across Lake Champlain if only they'd broadcast from New York State, likely no such luck.

Has Lowes recently come to Vermont? Another store in Williston, or maybe elsewhere? They'd be a better bet than Home Depot where you can never find anyone who knows more than what is written on the shelf pricesheet.

My TV is HD ready but has no receiver, so I guess I'd better head to the HD receiver section at AVS.

I'll probably try to find a local antenna installer, that HDTV primer that you linked to had some interesting vital information. Although I'm a DIYer most of the time, it seems that first antenna installs are seldom successful, regardless of who installs them. So an installer will save you money by taking back the unsuccessful antenna and won't charge for the second install. In my book this is definitely an occasion where using a pro makes sense.

Thanks again,

Brett

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett
Hi Guys,

Although I'm overseas most of the year, I come home in the summer and sure would like to at long last get HDTV. Where I live the rest of the time there's no such thing as HD Broadcasts.

1. Is there reception of HD Channels with decent programming (not only ads & sports / MTV which aren't my bag - I like movies and docs) ?

2. Do you need analog or a digital reception?

3. Do any locally available HDTV providers offer short term subscriptions (ie only for summer months)?

Thanks for any help. I'm 15 miles South of Burlington, but don't know anyone who has HDTV and the stores I've visited are less than informative. Thx also if you know of a good place in the Burlington area to get info/equipment.

Cheers,
The over-the-air (OTA) broadcasts for HD are CBS, NBC, ABC, VPT and FOX, and they are all now broadcasting digitally from Mt Mansfield, as well as in analog from their original locations. OTA is free, except for the investment of an antenna, cables and connectors, but you do need a digital (ASTC) tuner to receive the digital HD broadcasts. HDTVs will have the tuner built in, but HD ready TVs require an external tuner. For all the cable type networks you will have to get either satellite or cable and ask them about short term subscriptions.
www.antennaweb.org will give you some idea of what you can receive OTA and www.hdtvprimer.com will give you most of the info you need. Check Radio Shack, Lowes and Home Depot for antennas and other installation stuff.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

After losing some signal strength on all OTAs, and not getting a lock on WCAX since the warmer weather, I finally got around to adding about 4ft to my antenna mast. Most OTAs signal strength went up by about 5. Wcax went from 56-58 to 65 and is staying locked.

rogerpl

Burlington VT HDTV

Hi Guys,

Although I'm overseas most of the year, I come home in the summer and sure would like to at long last get HDTV. Where I live the rest of the time there's no such thing as HD Broadcasts.

1. Is there reception of HD Channels with decent programming (not only ads & sports / MTV which aren't my bag - I like movies and docs) ?

2. Do you need analog or a digital reception?

3. Do any locally available HDTV providers offer short term subscriptions (ie only for summer months)?

Thanks for any help. I'm 15 miles South of Burlington, but don't know anyone who has HDTV and the stores I've visited are less than informative. Thx also if you know of a good place in the Burlington area to get info/equipment.

Cheers,

Brett

Burlington VT HDTV

I'm sure there is a thread about this.Could someone tell me if this is a good antenna for picking up local HD channels? It is the Terk HD-Slim Profile Outdoor Antenna.Are there any good threads recommending which HD indoor or outdoor antennas work well? I'm about 40 miles from the towers.

2string

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2string
I'm sure there is a thread about this.Could someone tell me if this is a good antenna for picking up local HD channels? It is the Terk HD-Slim Profile Outdoor Antenna.Are there any good threads recommending which HD indoor or outdoor antennas work well? I'm about 40 miles from the towers.
Go to www.hdtvprimer.com and the "Erecting a TV antenna" link and there is a comparison of several antennas. I think a Channel Master 4228 would be the antenna for you. Also go to www.antennaweb.org to see what it says about reception and antennas for your location.

SkiSmuggs

Burlington VT HDTV

Folks may find this article interesting. It cites a pole taken this week on who consumers feel will have the most HD programming one year from now. http://www.tvpredictions.com/poll040907.htm

teacher1066

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by waltinvt
Ok, now for a stupid short question. Given what you say above, what about a cable company that proportably doesn't carry HD and says they have no plans to (Charter) in many parts of Vt?

Even though they only list the analog networks in their programing, is it possible they're picking up and passing along the whole digital stream and anyone with a QAM tuner could pick out the digital (HD) feeds for the basic 4 networks? Is there anyway to tell if you don't yet have a QAM tuner?
Do you have digital cable to the home? (I.E. Are there some channels you have to have a cable box to get?) HD is not the issue as is the cable head end. If it is a digital head end, then yes, even tho they may not have an HD tier they COULD pass the full stream but I'm guessing they don't.

If they are specifically saying they do not plan to add HD, my guess is they are mainly an analog plant and it may be too cost prohibitive given the number of subscribers, to upgrade to digital. In that case, you probably will never get the full stream. In the remote areas, you will probably end up with a DISH type system to get cable networks in HD and an antenna to get local HD. Even when analog is turned off for over the air, they will probably use their receiver to pick up the stations HD and then down-convert it for their analog stream. [The requirement that OTA broadcasters convert to digital by 2009 does not cover cable who can still continue to deliver analog to your home]

If your digital set had a QAM tuner you would see that option in the menus as the set would have to switch your inputs between antenna, cable or AV inputs. (Note:Cable in this case being QAM and not the old HRC/IRC options).

VideoTech

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by VideoTech
A stations' digital channel's (-1, -2, -3...no matter how many) are contained in one digital stream that has a bandwidth of 19 Meg. That is the feed that goes out to the transmitter and (usually) is the same feed given to the cable company. From that stream the cable company decodes each channel, picks out only the ones they will use and re-modulates them into the stream going to your home. Most cable companies (depending on the carriage agreement signed with the station) will usually just pick up the HD channel for retransmission. That may leave some of the other channels sent by the station without carriage to your home. The station would prefer you to have all of their signals but the cable company does not want to have to pay the station for all of them and/or dedicate the bandwidth. To solve the issue, many cable companies are now passing the entire 19meg stream from the station. They still cherry pick the channels they want for their system but the entire stream is delivered to the home and if you have a TV with a QAM tuner you can decode all of the channels. [A NTSC tuner decodes analog channels, an ATSC tuner decodes digital channel and a QAM tuner can decode the cable company's feed. Note to shoppers: Buy a set containing all 3 types of tuners]. It means actually tuning the TV instead of tuning the cable box to get those channels but it gives the viewers all of the stations channels. In many areas a station may offer only one digital channel (be it HD or SD) but many are now offering multiple channels. Some stations offer a weather channel for 24 hours of local weather instead of a few minutes 'on the 8's' while some offer additional programming channels (PBS for example, offers numerous feeds; PBS KIDS, PBS HD, PBS NOW, etc. which the analog channel picks and chooses from. The digital channels may offer the complete programming of each feed). Sometimes the channels are used for extended coverage of events that are only highlighted on the main channel. (In many cities, the Olympics were available non-stop on one of the digital feeds while the main network feed only showed a few hours each day.) If your cable company does not pass the full stream you will not get the additional sub-channels. In either case, having a QAM (pronounced Kawam) allows you to tune through the cable channels without having to rent a cable box. If you want premium (scrambled) channels, your set will also need a cable card slot to use a cable card supplied by the cable company. [Another 'feature' to look for in buying a set].


And yes, that is the short answer.
Ok, now for a stupid short question. Given what you say above, what about a cable company that proportably doesn't carry HD and says they have no plans to (Charter) in many parts of Vt?

Even though they only list the analog networks in their programing, is it possible they're picking up and passing along the whole digital stream and anyone with a QAM tuner could pick out the digital (HD) feeds for the basic 4 networks? Is there anyway to tell if you don't yet have a QAM tuner?

waltinvt

Burlington VT HDTV

njirnet - I'm on the Burlington Comcast. I see others have mentioned they get them on the 112 sub-channels up here but I get nothing. I had a tech guy out here today and he told me about them but knew nothing else. I went and scanned again with QAM on and found nothing. Do I have an old tv, or is there something I'm missing? It's killing me none of this HD stuff has been easy for us up here.

martinm0

Burlington VT HDTV

I believe my issue lies in some sort of faulty software int he tv in the end. I guess there's a frimware update, but I have to rig up a cable to do it. Looks like this will be an interesting Easter...

martinm0

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by martinm0
VideoTech: Can you eloborate on teh "19 med stream" comment?
A stations' digital channel's (-1, -2, -3...no matter how many) are contained in one digital stream that has a bandwidth of 19 Meg. That is the feed that goes out to the transmitter and (usually) is the same feed given to the cable company. From that stream the cable company decodes each channel, picks out only the ones they will use and re-modulates them into the stream going to your home. Most cable companies (depending on the carriage agreement signed with the station) will usually just pick up the HD channel for retransmission. That may leave some of the other channels sent by the station without carriage to your home. The station would prefer you to have all of their signals but the cable company does not want to have to pay the station for all of them and/or dedicate the bandwidth. To solve the issue, many cable companies are now passing the entire 19meg stream from the station. They still cherry pick the channels they want for their system but the entire stream is delivered to the home and if you have a TV with a QAM tuner you can decode all of the channels. [A NTSC tuner decodes analog channels, an ATSC tuner decodes digital channel and a QAM tuner can decode the cable company's feed. Note to shoppers: Buy a set containing all 3 types of tuners]. It means actually tuning the TV instead of tuning the cable box to get those channels but it gives the viewers all of the stations channels. In many areas a station may offer only one digital channel (be it HD or SD) but many are now offering multiple channels. Some stations offer a weather channel for 24 hours of local weather instead of a few minutes 'on the 8's' while some offer additional programming channels (PBS for example, offers numerous feeds; PBS KIDS, PBS HD, PBS NOW, etc. which the analog channel picks and chooses from. The digital channels may offer the complete programming of each feed). Sometimes the channels are used for extended coverage of events that are only highlighted on the main channel. (In many cities, the Olympics were available non-stop on one of the digital feeds while the main network feed only showed a few hours each day.) If your cable company does not pass the full stream you will not get the additional sub-channels. In either case, having a QAM (pronounced Kawam) allows you to tune through the cable channels without having to rent a cable box. If you want premium (scrambled) channels, your set will also need a cable card slot to use a cable card supplied by the cable company. [Another 'feature' to look for in buying a set].

And yes, that is the short answer.

VideoTech

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by martinm0
I have just been trying to pull the Comcast QAM HD channels in on my Samsung TX-P2670wh which has a QAM tuner in it but can't get any of them. Comcast states I should be able to get it, but was wondering what the "19 meg stream" comment meant from VideoTech? Comcast has no info on how to do it, but I have tried everything and can't get any results. I've tried STD, IRC, HRC settings all with QAM on. I'm stumped and want to make sure I'm getting all I can from the overlord Comcast...

vtjim: Are you using a new tv with QAM built in? My tv is about two years old I think. Is it out of date for this?

VideoTech: Can you eloborate on teh "19 med stream" comment?
Martin - which comcast system are you on?
I am on the Killington system and was only getting 3.1/3.2(CBS) & 21.3(PBS)
(as of 3 weeks ago, will be back to the house next week and update what I get)
I am using the built in QAM tuner in the Panasonic 42"

njirnet

Burlington VT HDTV

martinm0,

[Note: I wrote an initial response, but after re-reading your post, I've editted my initial response to do a complete re-write]

If I were you, I'd try hanging the RS antenna on the inside of an East-facing wall on the 3rd floor, and use the existing RG59 wiring to connect it to the receiver in the basement. Actually, I'd first haul the receiver to the 3rd floor and connect it to the antenna up there to see what kind of signal I had before moving it to the basement - to get a sense of how much signal loss can be attributed to the cable. If hauling the HD receiver up to the 3rd floor is not an option, then if you have a small analog TV, you can use that with the RS antenna and tune it to analog channels 3, 22, or 33 to judge how much signal you have to work with, and to fine-tune the pointing angle of the antenna.

vttom

Burlington VT HDTV

Hey Green Mountain Boys (and Gals),

Good to see VT represented on this forum. I am in the beginning stages of buying a whole new home theatre system, and have been doing SO MUCH research. One of my big concerns is HD service and content. I have never had HDTV and only a few of my friends have it so I don't have much to go by.

So I think my options are D*, Dish, and Comcast, right? What is E*?

How is the HD from D* in the Burlington Area? I know some of my friends get HD from Comcast, but I heard there new D10 satelite is gonna have so many HD channels, I just want to confirm that when it goes live that Burlington residents will be able to receive the signal with the right gear (HR20 right?).

Basically if anyone could just chime in and give me your opinions and thought that would be really appreciated.

Thanks all.

metafourik

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by metafourik
Hey Green Mountain Boys (and Gals),

Good to see VT represented on this forum. I am in the beginning stages of buying a whole new home theatre system, and have been doing SO MUCH research. One of my big concerns is HD service and content. I have never had HDTV and only a few of my friends have it so I don't have much to go by.

So I think my options are D*, Dish, and Comcast, right? What is E*?

How is the HD from D* in the Burlington Area? I know some of my friends get HD from Comcast, but I heard there new D10 satelite is gonna have so many HD channels, I just want to confirm that when it goes live that Burlington residents will be able to receive the signal with the right gear (HR20 right?).

Basically if anyone could just chime in and give me your opinions and thought that would be really appreciated.

Thanks all.
E* is Echostar (Dish Network). D is Direct TV - Right now Dish will give you the most HD but no locals.

rogerpl

Burlington VT HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by board_jay
So I went to watch the preseason football tonight and see that the NFLHD channel that I have always had not tells me that I need to call to get it. Any idea what is going on?? All I care about with comcrap is just the HD channels and always have to get all the other packages just to get them and I never watch those channels. Anyone know of a way to get just the HD channels - all of them including NFLHD - and not have to buy all the lower tier stuff?
A few weeks ago when HDNet and HDNet Movies got switched out for National Geographic and A&E, they also said NFL HD would be moving to the sports package.

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