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Question Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion ( AVS Forum HLRxxxxW Models Rear Projection Units )
Updated: 2008-05-25 02:11:56 (6563)
Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Now that CES 2005 is wrapping up, I thought I would start a thread to discuss the new 2005 Samsung HDTV DLP's. I did not attend the show, but summarized my notes from press releases and the comments of other AVSforum members (thanks, to all).


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PLEASE NOTE: This post is being maintained and updated as new
information is discovered about the 2005 Samsung DLP product line!!!
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2005 SAMSUNG DLP HDTV


For Offical Samsung 2005 CES Press Releases: CLICK HERE
For Offical Samsung 2005 HES Press Releases: CLICK HERE
For Offical SamsungUSA.com DLP Product Information: CLICK HERE



What we think we KNOW so far:


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PLEASE NOTE: This information is subject to change as we learn
more and Samsung develops these products. I think Donald Rumsfeld
summed it up best in the following quote.

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

Donald Rumsfeld ó Feb 12, 2002, Department of Defense Briefing

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HiRes Gallery ... Thanks TetsujinWave & Daphoid!!!

If you are NEW to this thread or the 2005 Samsung DLP product line, you may want to read the spec's and understand the many models offered before browsing this gallery. The 2005 models and their spec's are described in detail in the sections that follow this gallery. Special thanks to TetsujinWave and Daphoid!!! TetsujinWave attended CES and supplied all of the photos in this gallery. Daphoid provided the web server, software and programming expertise to create the gallery.


For the Full High Resolution Gallery: CLICK HERE!!!


<< 6168 Sample



*** 1080P Models (1920x1080 Screen Resolution) ***
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There will be TWO cosmetic versions of the tabletop models. One version, the 78 series, will have a black lacquer bezel and will be sold by higher-end retailers and custom installers. The other version, the 68 series, will have a floating screen design and is believed to be targeted at larger chain stores like BestBuy. The internals of both lines are equivalent, the case (and offered screen sizes) is the only difference. In fact, Samsung has lead us to believe that the internal components on the 68 series, 78 series, and the 88 series pedestal model are all based on the same technology.



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Photos by TetsujinWave


TABLETOP MODEL >>> HLRxx78W --- 78 Series --- Black Lacquer Screen Design

HLRxx78W Series Brochure: CLICK HERE


71" -- HLR7178W (October 2005, MSRP guess $6,799) Spec Sheet
61" -- HLR6178W (July 2005, MSRP guess $4,799) Spec Sheet
56" -- HLR5678W (July 2005, MSRP guess $4,499) Spec Sheet
50" -- HLR5078W (July 2005, MSRP guess $3,999) Spec Sheet


PLEASE NOTE - 71" HLR7178W replaces previously listed HLR7078W, the HLR7078W will not be produced. I will leave the photos of the 70" below because they should approximate the 71".

HLR7178W NOTE - The screen on the 71" set is a more reflective than used on all of the other Samsung DLP models ... it is similar to the screen on the 70" Qualia 006.
  • 1080p (1920x1080) Resolution
  • Black Lacquer Screen Design, Anti-glare Matte Screen Finish
  • Cinema Smooth Generation 6 (Light Engine), DNIe (Video Enhancement)
  • Dynamic Black Level - Mechanical Iris to control light and improve Contrast Ratio
  • Inputs: 2 HDMI , 2 Component Video, 1 S-Video, 2 Composite
  • Inputs: VGA/PC (1920x1080@60Hz)
  • Inputs: 2 IEEE 1394 DTV Link (SOURCE)
  • HDMI Supported Inputs: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (1080p will NOT be offered)
  • Digital Audio Out (optical)
  • ATSC Tuner / NTSC Tuner, Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD
  • TV Guide Electronic Program Guide (SOURCE) (GEMSTAR TV Guide + GOLD Demo)
  • AnyNET (A Serial Connection Between Samsung Components That Allows Integrated Control Via Your Remote Control)
  • DNSe (Dynamic Natural Sound), 30 Watts, Internal Speakers
  • DLP Chip: per Samsung, Latest 1080p (xHD4 (.85" 1080p) --- neither Samsung nor TI are discussing chips, this is our best guess given available information)
  • DLP Chip Operation: 960 x 1080 mirrors, each mirror quickly moves to produces 2 pixels displayed on the screen yielding a 1920x1080 final resolution; pixels are diamond shaped and slightly overlap, producing a smooth pixel free image
  • Contrast Ratio: up to 10,000:1
  • Brightness (cd/m-sq): 71"=500, 61"=600, 56"=700, 50"=800
  • Lamp (Standard/Dynamic Display Setting): 71"=(120W/132W); 50", 56", 61"=(100W/120W)
  • Color Wheel: 7 Segment, 10,800 RPM
  • Power Consumption: 230 Watts (Estimated)
  • NO Center Channel Shelf
HLRxx78W Series OWNERS MANUAL: CLICK HERE

Measurements: Thanks Kirk@TVauthority!!!
  1. HL-R5078W 46.5 x 14.0 x 34.3 -- 50" -- 75.6 lbs.
  2. HL-R5678W 52.4 x 15.3 x 37.9 -- 56" -- 84.9 lbs
  3. HL-R6178W 56.9 x 18.4 x 41.6 -- 61" -- 99.2 lbs (includes removable pedestal base)
  4. HL-R7178W 65.8 x 20.4 x 46.8 -- 71" -- 116.8 lbs (includes removable pedestal base)
  5. FOR STAND DIMENSIONS AND WEIGHTS - CHECK SPEC SHEET LINK ABOVE
Measurements (without Pedestal Base):
  1. HL-R6178W 56.9 x 16.5 x 41.6 -- 61" -- 99.2 lbs.
  2. HL-R7178W 65.8 x 18.7 x 45.9 -- 71" -- 116.8 lbs.
Technical Drawings: Thanks Kirk@TVauthority!!!
  1. HL-R5078W - Technical Drawing
  2. HL-R5678W - Technical Drawing
  3. HL-R6178W - Technical Drawing
  4. HL-R7178W - Technical Drawing Not Available Yet
78 Series Photos --- Black Lacquer Design --- Thanks TetsujinWave --- Click on Link

50" -- HLR5078W -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2 -- Photo #3 -- Photo #4 -- Placecard
56" -- HLR5678W -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2 -- Photo #3 -- Placecard
61" -- HLR6178W -- Photo #1
70" -- HLR7078W -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2 -- Photo #3 -- Photo #4 -- Photo #5
70" -- HLR7078W -- Photo #6 -- Photo #7 -- Photo #8 -- Photo #9 -- Photo#10
70" -- HLR7078W -- Photo#11 -- Photo#12 -- Photo#13 -- Placecard -- Poster
Rear Inputs --- CLICK HERE

Background: 1080p vs 720p Comparison -- Series 78 Poster -- Technical Discussion, Screen Shots, Photos
Background: TI DLP Brochure for Winter 2005 -- TI DLP Presentation




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Photo by TetsujinWave, KyungKim


TABLETOP MODEL >>> HLRxx68W --- 68 Series --- Floating Screen Design

HLRxx68W Series Brochure: CLICK HERE

67" -- HLR6768W (July 2005, MSRP $6,199) Spec Sheet
61" -- HLR6168W (July 2005, MSRP $4,799) Spec Sheet
56" -- HLR5668W (July 2005, MSRP $4,499) Spec Sheet
  • 1080p (1920x1080) Resolution
  • Floating Screen Design, Anti-glare Matte Screen Finish
  • Cinema Smooth Generation 6 (Light Engine), DNIe (Video Enhancement)
  • Dynamic Black Level - Mechanical Iris to control light and improve Contrast Ratio
  • Inputs: 2 HDMI , 2 Component Video, 1 S-Video, 2 Composite
  • Inputs: VGA/PC (1920x1080@60Hz)
  • Inputs: 2 IEEE 1394 DTV Link (SOURCE)
  • HDMI Supported Inputs: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (1080p will NOT be offered)
  • Digital Audio Out (optical)
  • ATSC Tuner / NTSC Tuner, Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD
  • TV Guide Electronic Program Guide (SOURCE) (GEMSTAR TV Guide + GOLD Demo)
  • AnyNET (A Serial Connection Between Samsung Components That Allows Integrated Control Via Your Remote Control)
  • 30 Watts, Internal Speakers
  • DLP Chip: per Samsung, Latest 1080p (xHD4 (.85" 1080p) --- neither Samsung nor TI are discussing chips, this is our best guess given available information)
  • DLP Chip Operation: 960 x 1080 mirrors, each mirror quickly moves to produces 2 pixels displayed on the screen yielding a 1920x1080 final resolution; pixels are diamond shaped and slightly overlap, producing a smooth pixel free image
  • Contrast Ratio: up to 10,000:1
  • Brightness (cd/m-sq): 67"=550, 61"=600, 56"=700
  • Lamp (Standard/Dynamic Display Setting): 67"=(120W/132W); 56", 61"=(100W/120W)
  • Color Wheel: 7 Segment, 10,800 RPM
  • Power Consumption: 230 Watts (Estimated)
  • NO Center Channel Shelf
HLRxx68W Series OWNERS MANUAL: CLICK HERE

Measurements: Thanks Kirk@TVauthority!!!
  1. HL-R5668W 52.4 x 15.3 x 37.9 -- 56" -- 80.9 lbs
  2. HL-R6168W 56.9 x 18.4 x 41.6 -- 61" -- 99.6 lbs. (includes removable pedestal base)
  3. HL-R6768W 62.4 x 19.8 x 45.1 -- 67" -- 109.8 (includes removable pedestal base)
Measurements (without Pedestal Base):
  1. HL-R6168W 56.9 x 16.5 x 40.7 -- 61" -- 99.6 lbs.
  2. HL-R6768W 62.4 x 17.8 x 44.3 -- 67" -- 109.8 lbs
Technical Drawings: Thanks Kirk@TVauthority!!!
  1. HL-R5668W - Technical Drawing
  2. HL-R6168W - Technical Drawing
  3. HL-R6768W - Technical Drawing
68 Series Photos --- Floating Screen Design --- Thanks KyungKim, TetsujinWave --- Click on Link

56" -- HLR5668W -- Photo #1 (Good For Depth, Shape) -- Photo #2 -- Photo #3
56" -- HLR5668W -- Placecard
61" -- HLR6168W -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2 -- Photo #3 -- Photo #4 -- Photo #5
61" -- HLR6168W -- Photo #6 -- Photo #7 -- Photo #8 -- Photo #9 (Shows Stabilization Base)
61" -- HLR6168W -- Photo#10 -- Placecard
67" -- HLR6768W -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2 -- Placecard
Rear Inputs --- CLICK HERE


Background: Floating Screen Close-up -- Series 68 Poster
Photos of Internal Components: CLICK HERE
Video: VIDEO (Warning: C/Net's Price and CableCard Comments are in ERROR)
High Resolution PHOTO (1.25 MB, Excellent): HiRes Photo / LowRes Preview Photo





Photo by Samsung


PEDESTAL MODEL >>> 88 Series

56"
-- HLR5688W (July 2005, $5,199) Spec Sheet
  • 1080p (1920x1080) Resolution
  • Cinema Smooth Generation 6 (Light Engine), DNIe (Video Enhancement)
  • Dynamic Black Level - Mechanical Iris to control light and improve Contrast Ratio
  • Anti-glare Matte Screen Finish
  • Inputs: 2 HDMI, 2 Component Video, 1 S-Video, 2 Composite
  • Inputs: VGA/PC (1920x1080@60Hz)
  • Inputs: IEEE 1394 DTV Link (unconfirmed)
  • Digital Audio Out (optical)
  • HDMI Supported Inputs: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (1080p will NOT be offered)
  • ATSC Tuner / NTSC Tuner, Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD
  • TV Guide Electronic Program Guide (GEMSTAR TV Guide + GOLD Demo)
  • AnyNET (A Serial Connection Between Samsung Components That Allows Integrated Control Via Your Remote Control)
  • 30 Watts, Internal Speakers
  • DLP Chip: xHD4 (.85" 1080p)
  • DLP Chip Operation: 960 x 1080 mirrors, each mirror quickly moves to produces 2 pixels displayed on the screen yielding a 1920x1080 final resolution; pixels are diamond shaped and slightly overlap, producing a smooth pixel free image
  • Contrast Ratio: up to 10,000:1
  • Color Wheel: 7 Segment
  • Power Consumption: 230 Watts
  • NO Center Channel Shelf

HLR5688W OWNERS MANUAL: CLICK HERE
Online OWNERS MANUAL: CLICK HERE


Measurements: HL-R5688W, 58.7 x 21.9 x 58.4
Measurements: of the CURRENT HLP5685, 58.7"(W) x 58.3"(H) x 21.9"(D)


88 Series Photos --- Pedestal Screen Design --- Click on Link

56" -- HLR5688W (Photo appears to be of 50" model) -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2
High Resolution PHOTO (1.25 MB, Excellent): HiRes Photo / LowRes Preview Photo





*** 720P Models
(1280x720 Screen Resolution) ***
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PLEASE NOTE: The three 2005 Samsung 720p product lines (HLRxx67W, HLRxx77W, HLRxx87W) are currently released and shipping. You can go down to your favorite store and carefully evaluate each of these models. When you go down to take a closer look at the HLRxxxxW models, you may find HLPxxxxW models still on sale. These are units from the 2004 Samsung 720p product line. They can be identified by the P in the model number, HLP5063W for example. 2005 models will begin with HLR. Costco is also selling a couple of models that begin with HLN. These are 2003 models that are still being produced and sold through this discount chain.



Photo by TetsujinWave


TABLETOP MODELS >>> HLRxx67W --- 67 Series --- Floating Screen Design

DLP Product Descriptions on Samsung.com: CLICK HERE
AVSforum HLRxx67W OWNERS THREAD: CLICK HERE

61" -- HLR6167W (April 2005-Revised to first week in May, $3,799) Preliminary Spec Sheet
56" -- HLR5667W (April 2005-Revised to first week in May, $3,499) Preliminary Spec Sheet
50" -- HLR5067W (April 2005-Revised to first week in May, $2,999) Preliminary Spec Sheet
46" -- HLR4667W (April 2005-Revised to first week in May, $2,699) Preliminary Spec Sheet
42" -- HLR4266W (Mid May 2005, $2,499) SamsungUSA.com

HLR4266W has 4 specs which are different from the rest of the 67 series:
1. Does NOT have the super fine screen.
2. Does NOT have the PC/VGA input.
3. Does NOT have the 1394 inputs.
4. Does NOT have the electronic program guide support on the CableCard.
  • 720p (1280x720) Resolution
  • Floating Screen Design, Anti-glare Matte Screen Finish
  • Cinema Smooth Generation 720P (Light Engine), DNIe (Video Enhancement)
  • Inputs: 1 HDMI, 2 Component Video, 1 S-Video, 2 Composite, VGA/PC
  • Inputs: 2 IEEE 1394 DTV Link
  • Digital Audio Out (optical)
  • ATSC Tuner / NTSC Tuner, Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD
  • TV Guide Electronic Program Guide (GEMSTAR TV Guide + GOLD Demo)
  • AnyNET (A Serial Connection Between Samsung Components That Allows Integrated Control Via Your Remote Control)
  • 30 Watts, Internal Speakers
  • DLP Chip: per Samsung, New Generation 720p (HD4 (.55" 720p) --- confirmed from Samsung HLRxx67W brochure below --- TI has not shared the actually naming convention, so we are using HD4 to denote the next 720p chip after HD3)
  • DLP Chip Operation: 640 x 720 mirrors, each mirror quickly moves to produces 2 pixels displayed on the screen yielding a 1280x720 final resolution; pixels are diamond shaped and slightly overlap, producing a smooth pixel free image
  • Contrast Ratio: Up to 2500:1
  • Brightness (cd/m-sq): 61"=600, 56"=700, 50"=900, 46", 42" = 1000.
  • Lamp (Standard/Dynamic Display Setting): 42", 46", 50", 56", 61"=(100W/120W)
  • Color Wheel: 7 Segment
  • Power Consumption: 230 Watts
  • NO Center Channel Shelf
Measurements: Thanks Kirk@TVauthority!!!
  1. HL-R5056W --Not available --50" Table (720p)
  2. HL-R4266W 39.3 x 13.0 x 29.7 --42" Table (720p); 61.7 lbs.
  3. HL-R4667W 42.8 x 13.4 x 32.0 --46" Table (720p); 66.8 lbs.
  4. HL-R4677W 40.6 x 16.1 x 30.0 --46" Slim Bezel (720p); 71.65 lbs.
  5. HL-R5067W 46.5 x 14.0 x 34.3 --50" Table (720p); 72.5 lbs.
  6. HL-R5667W 52.4 x 15.3 x 37.9 --56" Table (720p); 80.9 lbs
  7. HL-R5677W 49.9 x 18.2 x 36.3 --46" Slim Bezel (720p); 93.7 lbs.
  8. HL-R6167W 56.9 x 18.4 x 41.6 --61" Table (720p); 94.5 lbs.
Technical Drawings: Thanks Kirk@TVauthority!!!
  1. HL-R4266W - Technical Drawing
  2. HL-R4667W - Technical Drawing
  3. HL-R5067W - Technical Drawing
  4. HL-R5667W - Technical Drawing
  5. HL-R6167W - Technical Drawing
Measurements: The HLPxx63W Measurements may be helpful because we have technical drawings for these models.
  1. 61" - HLP6163W: 56.9"(W) x 40.7"(H) x 16.7"(D); 99.2 Lbs. - Technical Drawing
  2. 56" - HLP5663W: 52.4"(W) x 37.9"(H) x 15.6"(D); 91.5 Lbs. - Technical Drawing
  3. 50" - HLP5063W: 46.5"(W) x 34.3"(H) x 14.1"(D); 77.2 Lbs. - Technical Drawing
  4. 46" - HLP4663W: 43.1"(W) x 32.0"(H) x 13.3"(D); 69.4 Lbs. - Technical Drawing
HLRxx67W Product Line Brochure (Excellent): Brochure
HLRxx67W Owners Manual: Owners Manual
HLR4266W Owners Manual: Owners Manual
HLRxx67W Quick Reference Guide: Quick Reference Guide


67 Series Photos --- Click on Link (Also, see photos under 68 Series above - same case)

46" -- HLR4667W -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2 -- Placecard
50" -- HLR5067W -- Photo #1 -- Placecard
56" -- HLR5667W -- Photo #1

BACK & INTERNAL COMPONENTS - 50" - HLR5067W - Photos #1 - #8 - NOTE: There are 8 PHOTOS in the SERIES


High Resolution PHOTO (1.25 MB, Excellent): HiRes Photo / LowRes Preview: LowRes Photo




Photo by Samsung

THIN BEZEL TABLETOP MODEL >>> HLRxx77W --- 77 Series --- Thin Bezel Design

DLP Product Descriptions on Samsung.com: CLICK HERE

56" -- HLR5677W (Now Available, $3,499)
46" -- HLR4677W (Now Available, $2,899) 8/9/2005 - Model Discontinued

The HLRxx77W models are based on the HLPxx74W models introduced in November 2004. There has been extensive discussion and evaluation of these model in this forum. For specific information, please refer to the HLPxx74W Owners thread.

The HLRxx77W are identical to the HLPx74W, except the DVI and PC/VGA inputs of the HLPxx74W have been deleted on the HLRxx77W. In addition an ATSC over-the-air digital tuner (can receive HD) and CableCard tuner have been ADDED to the HLRxx77W series. For further information, please check the Samsung web site (CLICK HERE).
  • 720p (1280x720) Resolution
  • Aluminum Thin Bezel Screen Design, Anti-glare Matte Screen Finish
  • Hybrid HLN Light Engine, DNIe (Video Enhancement)
  • Inputs: 1 HDMI, 2 Component Video, 3 S-Video, 3 Composite
  • Digital Audio Out (optical)
  • ATSC Tuner / NTSC Tuner, Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD
  • NO TV Guide Electronic Program Guide (GEMSTAR TV Guide + GOLD Demo)
  • AnyNET (A Serial Connection Between Samsung Components That Allows Integrated Control Via Your Remote Control)
  • 30 Watts, Internal Speakers
  • DLP Chip: HD2+ (.8" 720p)
  • DLP Chip Operation: 1280x720 mirrors, each mirror produces 1 pixel displayed on the screen yielding a 1280x720 final resolution; pixels are rectangular shaped and don't overlap, individual pixels are visible on the screen
  • Contrast Ratio: 2000:1
  • Color Wheel: 6 Segment
  • Power Consumption: 230 Watts
  • Center Channel Shelf Exists On Top Of HDTV
HLRxx77W Owners Manual: Owners Manual




Photo by Samsung


PEDESTAL MODEL >>> 87 Series

DLP Product Descriptions on Samsung.com: CLICK HERE
AVSforum HLRxx87W OWNERS THREAD: CLICK HERE

56" -- HLR5687W (56", Unknown Release, $Unknown) [Little is known about this POSSIBLE model]
50" -- HLR5087W (50?, May 2005, $3,899) Spec Sheet
  • 720p (1280x720) Resolution
  • Cinema Smooth Generation 720P (Light Engine), DNIe (Video Enhancement)
  • Anti-glare Matte Screen Finish
  • Inputs: 1 HDMI, 2 Component Video, 3 S-Video, 3 Composite [NO VGA/PC]
  • Input/Output: [NO IEEE 1394]
  • Digital Audio Out (optical)
  • ATSC Tuner / NTSC Tuner, Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD
  • TV Guide Electronic Program Guide (GEMSTAR TV Guide + GOLD Demo)
  • AnyNET (A Serial Connection Between Samsung Components That Allows Integrated Control Via Your Remote Control)
  • 30 Watts, Internal Speakers
  • DLP Chip: (HD2+ (.8" 720p) --- neither Samsung nor TI are discussing chips, this is our best guess given available information)
  • DLP Chip Note: TI has a new 2005 version of the HD2+, we are calling it the HD2++ (.8" 720p); it is not known if this chip is being used in this HDTV, but general feeling is that it is NOT because contrast ratio spec is still 2500:1
  • DLP Chip Operation: 1280x720 mirrors, each mirror produces 1 pixel displayed on the screen yielding a 1280x720 final resolution; pixels are rectangular shaped and don't overlap, individual pixels are visible on the screen
  • Contrast Ratio: 2500:1
  • Color Wheel: 7 Segment
  • Power Consumption: 230 Watts
  • NO Center Channel Shelf

Measurements: HL-R5087W, 53.6 x 20.5 x 54.7

Measurements: of the CURRENT HLP5085W, 53.6"(W) x 54.7"(H) x 20.5"(D), Weight: 125.4 lbs.

HLR5087W Technical Drawing: Technical Drawing
HLRxx87W Owners Manual: Owners Manual


87 Series Photos --- Pedestal Screen Design --- Click on Link

50" -- HLR5087W -- Photo #1 -- Photo #2
High Resolution PHOTO (1.25 MB, Excellent): HiRes Photo


Canada ONLY Models:

The following HLRxx64W models are Canadian ONLY models. They are based on the cosmetics of the USA HLRxx67W series, but have different internal components and specs ... so you can look at the photos above in the HLRxx67W section (and in the HLRxx68W section) for an idea of what the cabinet looks like. In addition, the following 1080p units (specs same as USA versions described above) have been confirmed as being available in Canada. The status of the 56" and 67" 1080p models is currently unclear.

50" -- HLR5078W (August, $3999)
61" -- HLR6178W (August, $4799)
61" -- HLR6168W (August, $4799)
71" -- HLR7178W (August, $6999)

It is currently believed that the HLRxx88W and HLRxx77W product lines will not be offered in Canada.


TABLETOP MODELS >>> HLRxx64W --- 64 Series --- Floating Screen Design

Samsung's Canadian Web Site DLP Area (includes spec's and pictures): CLICK HERE

42" -- HLR4264W (Released, $2499)
46" -- HLR4664W (Released, $2799)
50" -- HLR5064W (Released, $2999)
56" -- HLR 5664W (Unknown, $xxxx) The 56" is shown in the HLRxx64W manual, but we have not confirmed it's sale in Canada, yet.
61" -- HLR6164W (Released, $3799)
  • 720p (1280x720) Resolution
  • Floating Screen Design, Anti-glare Matte Screen Finish
  • Cinema Smooth Generation 720P (Light Engine), DNIe (Video Enhancement)
  • Inputs: 1 HDMI, 1 DVI, 2 Component Video, 1 S-Video, 2 Composite, VGA/PC
  • Inputs: NO IEEE 1394 DTV Link
  • Digital Audio Out (optical)
  • ATSC Tuner / NTSC Tuner, NO Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD
  • NO TV Guide Electronic Program Guide
  • AnyNET (A Serial Connection Between Samsung Components That Allows Integrated Control Via Your Remote Control)
  • 30 Watts, Internal Speakers
  • DLP Chip: HD3 (.55" 720p) --- this is a 2004 TI DLP chip; USA models use a 2005 HD4
  • DLP Chip Operation: 640 x 720 mirrors, each mirror quickly moves to produces 2 pixels displayed on the screen yielding a 1280x720 final resolution; pixels are diamond shaped and slightly overlap, producing a smooth pixel free image
  • Contrast Ratio: 2000:1
  • Brightness (cd/m-sq): 61"=600, 56"=700 (may not be available), 50"=900, 46"=1000, 42" = 1000
  • Lamp (Standard/Dynamic Display Setting): 42", 46", 50", 56" (may not be available), 61"=(100W/120W)
  • Color Wheel: 7 Segment
  • Power Consumption: 230 Watts
  • NO Center Channel Shelf
  • You can turn DNIe ON and OFF, this is a feature that is not available on the 67 series, which requires DNIe to be on all of the time






What we DONíT KNOW so far:

1. What computer resolutions are supported on the 68, 78, and 88 series sets on the HDMI input(1920x1080?)? Specifically, does it support 1080i or 1080p?

2. Will the internal ATSC tuner or CableCard tuner support the future 1080p broadcast format on the 1080p units?

3. What capabilities does the 1394 port have to support 1080p? Specifically, if the internal tuner can support broadcast 1080p/24, can this be output via the 1394 port? Could a 1080p signal be input via the 1394 port?

4. Will Samsung provide any method (USB port/PC, Memory Cards) for customers to apply firmware upgrades to the new 1080p HDTVs? There are two other manufacturers that currently provide this capability for their DLP sets.

5. On the 1080p sets, which inputs have DNIe turned on all of the time. On the HDMI inputs and other inputs (VGA/PC, 1394), is DNIe ON or OFF? Does selecting a specific device type with inputs that have DNIe on all of the time reduce the level of processing (selecting GAME on component, for example)?

6. Will 1080p sets support multichannel audio (5.1) on the HDMI inputs? 720p sets only support 2 channels and this prevents a multichannel pass through to a receiver. This is important to manage sync in some situations.


Items We Would Like To Test, But Need To Wait Until HDTV's Are Released:

1. Do the remote control IR discrete codes work for ALL inputs?

2. Given the increased video processing demands of 1080p, what is the capability of the 68/78/88 series 1080p sets to handle computer/video gaming? Specifically, what is lag?

3. Given the increased video processing required in the 1080p units (68, 78, 88 Series), what steps has Samsung taken to insure that we don't see lip sync issues? Did anyone ask specifically about this concern?

4. Will 1080p be supported on the HDMI input on the 1080p models (68, 78, 88 series)? All of our information collected up to this point indicates that it won't, but it is an important item and many of us hope Samsung will find a way to include it in the final production sets. It should be checked when the sets are released.

5. How will SD broadcasts look on the 1080p sets? How will this compare to SD broadcasts on 720p sets?

6. How will standard DVD's look on the 1080p sets? How will standard DVD's look after being upshifted by the better upshifting DVD players in comparison to standard DVD on the 720p sets? Is there any advantage to the new 1080p sets when playing standard DVD's?

7. In selecting a DVD player, will you get a better quality picture if you send the 1080p HDTV a 480i digital feed and let the TV do all of the processing OR by using a upshifting DVD player to send a 1080i digital signal that is deinterlaced to 1080p?

8. When setting up a given input, such as HDMI or Component 1, does the processing associated with the input change when you select a different descriptive name for the input (such as GAME, DVD, HD STB, etc.)?

9. Can you get 1:1 pixel mapping of a computer input on the PC/VGA input (at 1920x1080)? On HDMI? If so, how exactly is it setup and what picture mode do you use?





FAQ's:

1. What is the PQ on the new 1080p models?
  1. Comments by KyungKim (CES Attendee)
  2. Generally excellent. There are some surprises here. Ive posted b4 that 1080p will not be the silver bullet for rptvs as there are many other problems with rear projection micro displays. What really floored me at the show was that many of these problems seems to have been greatly eliminated with this generation 1080p product.
  3. The biggest weird thing for me was that the new displays do not exhibit much in the way of SSE, that is silk screen effect. It was clearly evident on the 1080p vs 720p demo display. There was quiet a bit of shimmering in the large white areas of the powerpoint demo on the 720 set. There was little to no shimmering silk screen effect on the newer display. I confirmed this with the rep, who happend to think it was due to the higher rez. Im not sure if i buy it, but the sse on the newer sets is close to non existant. You can see som fine shmmiering when u get close, but at normal viewing distance, this Effect is really not there anymore.
  4. Now to the other shocker. Im super sensitive to RBE. I see them all the time on dlps. It was VERY VERY VERY hard to see them on the new sets. Since they had the 720p ones on the left side, i was easily able to see them on the old chips using the patended darting eyes furisiously method. Maybe this is due to the wobulation effect, who knows. As a side note, i got a splitting headache some minutes after walking away form the samsung booth. Since i did the rbe torture test on both the 1080p and 720p sets for a long long time, i dunno who the culprit was. All i know is that RBE is reduced dramatically on the new sets.
  5. Comments by ViddKid (CES Attendee)
  6. All I can comment on is the PQ and image reproduction of the 1080p sets. IMO, they are some of the best display devices on the show floor. Test patterns displayed at 1080p were flawless, videos and still imges have noticably higher definition and better image reproduction than the side by side 720p set.
  7. Comments By C/Net (CES Media Coverage)
  8. HLR6768W ? Awarded Best of Show CES 2005
2. Do the screens on the new models still have the wonderful matte finish of prior Samsung DLPís OR have they started to use more reflective materials? Some photos of the new HDTVís appear to have more glare than one would expect.
  1. Comments by KyungKim (CES Attendee)
  2. Yes ASFAIK the new sets did not exhibit any more or less glare than the "legacy" 720p models. What i think is freaking u out is the super reflective bezel on the higher end model. Not sure if its been discussed already, the pics I posted earlier of the 56 is the "tantus" model, only found in tweeter and upscale av shops. The floating models are the reg ones which will be sold most everywhere. Those models have a matte finish bezel which is much much more pleasing, to me at least. The reps assured me several times that differences in the upscale and non will be purely cosmetic. (KyungKimís photo is below, notice bezel around screen appears more reflective than screen)
  3. PHOTO of HLR6168W (screen finish): PHOTO
3. What kind of color wheels are used in the new models (7 segment or possibly some other approach)?
  1. Comments by KyungKim (CES Attendee)
  2. Seven, according to one rep, says the wheel is larger to accomadate the extra rez. Other than that the wheel is the same.
4. What TI DLP chips are used in the new models?
  1. Comments by KyungKim (CES Attendee)
  2. Unofficialy i believe its called the xhd4. Samsung was mumm on the chip name, other than to assure ppl its the latest n greatest.
  3. Comments by ROGO (CES Attendee)
  4. As for HD2/HD3/xHD3, etc. TI is going away from that nomenclature entirely. They are asking OEMs to do the same. Optoma apparently did not get the memo.
  5. Comments By UCSB (AVS Member):
  6. We have an open issue about what DLP chips are in these new models. It seems that TI (Texas Instruments) and the HDTV vendors have gotten together and decided not to talk about chips, but rather talk about 720p chips and 1080p chips. I can understand this desire on their part. With models coming out at different times during the year, everyone canít have the latest chip and a lot of other things go into the design of these HDTVís (firmware, optics, electronics, screens, etc.) beyond the chips. Part of me says that we should just respect their wishes. But, then part of me says Ö wait, for most of us these are expensive purchases. We have a right to be informed about what we are buying. Could you imagine if Intel decided we are just going to refer to CPUís by their type, Pentium 4ís for example.
  7. We have gathered a lot of specís at CES 2005 and those specís are clearly documented in the posters, product display cards, and press releases that we have been accumulating. I think some clear patterns have emerged.
  8. It seems to me that Samsung and TI cooperate closely on the introduction of HDTVís and DLP chips. This is to be expected (I thought I saw a press release saying Samsung had 69% or the DLP market). Samsung has stated they are using, or will be using TIís latest chips. So here is my take by model line.
  9. Series 68, 78 ? TI xHD4. I donít know if this is the designation they are using internally, but this is the next 1080p chip after the xHD3 shown initially at CES 2004. When the 68 / 78 product arrives it will be mid 2005. Clearly at least one model year removed from the 2004 chip we saw last year. The xHD3 had a contrast ratio of 5000:1, these new chips are claiming 10,000:1. In addition, there was a Zeiss Optics pdf document that talked about compability with the xHD4 chip.
  10. Series 88 ? TI xHD3. This 1080p pedestal HDTV was slated for introduction last November with xHD3. Itís lower 5000:1 contrast ratio, 2004 develop time table, and early introduction (FEB 2005) led me to believe that it is based on the xHD3.
  11. Series 67 ? TI HD4. A couple of vendors, Sharp and Optoma, created product display cards stating that they are using the HD4. So we know this is the latest 720p chip. In addition, Samsung is claiming a 2000:1 contrast ratio Ö just the same as in the Sharp HD4 720p HDTV. Optoma claimed 2500:1.
  12. Series 87 ? TI HD2+ or HD4. We do not have a single picture, product display card, press release spec Ö or really anything on this HDTV. My guess is that they just left the HD2+ chip in the unit (ie used current HLP5085W as base).
5. Which models will offer IEEE 1394 ports? What will be the capability of those ports?
  1. Kirk@TVAuthority (CES Attendee)
  2. I defintely agree with Administrator- what you see at the shows doesn't always make it to the final production models. That being said, we checked the input jacks for both the 67 & 78 series- the 78 series had 2 firewire, 2 hdmi and a pc input. The 67 series has 2 firewire, 1 hdmi and 1 pc input. I don't recall if we looking at the inputs on the 68 series but my guess is they will offer the same inputs as the 78 models.
  3. Comments by UCSB (AVS Member)
  4. Samsung posters for 68 / 78 series HDTV's showed IEEE 1394. Therefore, IEEE 1394 have been added to specs for 68, 78, and 88 series HDTVs.
6. What is the contrast ratio specís for the new models?
  1. Comments by KyungKim (CES Attendee)
  2. 10,000 to 1 as its listed on all of their product tags. The blacks were really incredible. Its blackety black and its black y'all. Comparing to the 720p set, the black levels were noticeably lower on the 1080p sets.
  3. Comments by OrangeKid (CES Attendee)
  4. I am certain the contrast ratio was l listed as 10,000:1. I checked the labels on the Samsung 1080p sets several times.
7. Confirm the number of HDMI inputs shown in the table above. Will there be 1 or 2 HDMI inputs?
  1. Comments by KyungKim (CES Attendee)
  2. Two, so said everyone from samsung.
8. Which of the current models will be continuing? Specifically, what are the plans for the HLPxx74W, Tantus thin bezel models. Many planning to buy in 2005 might want to know the fate of this HD2+ unit.

The HLPxx74W will be updated to a HLRxx77W model that will have integrated ATSC tuner and CableCard support. Unfortunately, the HLRxx77W will not have the DVI and PC/VGA inputs of the HLPxx74W.
  1. Comments by Akastp (CES Member)
  2. HL-R4677 and HL-R5677 appearing on Samsung web site right now.
    46" Model...
    http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...LR4677WX%2fXAA
    56" Model...
    http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...LR5677WX%2fXAA
    Info is coming and going so someone must be working on the page in "live" mode.
  3. Brochures available...
    46" Model...
    http://product.samsung.com/SamsungUS...18/hlr4677.pdf
    56" Model...
    http://product.samsung.com/SamsungUS...18/hlr5677.pdf
9. Can the 68 series or 88 series 1080p sets accept a 1080p signal via the HDMI input? The general feeling is that the answer is NO ... but, did anyone ask this specific question?
  1. Comments By HTwaits (AVS Member)
  2. My understanding is that all of the 2005 batch of 1080p HDTV sets have 1080i input capability but not 1080p input capability.
  3. I also have the impression that HD DVD players only output 1080i.
  4. If I remember correctly, de-interlacing directly from 1080i to 1080p should give a very "true to the source" image unless a manufacturer de-interlaces 1080i to 520p instead of 1080p. I think scaling from 520p to 1080p would probably degrade the image.
  5. Comments By Kyungkim (CES Attendee)
  6. Yes I asked this specifically and got the reply that it does not, due to hdcp requirements. This has been pointed out to be bubkus, hdcp does not limit rez.
  7. I asked this question at a number of mfg planning 1080p sets and the most telling came from sony. They said they do not support 1080p (in) since no consumer device is capable of outputing a true 1080p signal. Even the blu ray players sold in japan only output 1080i.
  8. So im not holding my breadth on the digital side of the 1080p input on this generation, i dont think they will be capable of it. Im 99.99 percent positive the hdmi ports will not support 1080p from talking to the reps.
  9. Im holding out against hope that the vga input hasnt been crippled. I know everyone wants digital, but rgb has been the way that g90 projectors have been fed with 1080p for years, so im sure it wont be so awful.
  10. Comments by Richard Paul (CES Attendee)
  11. The Samsung representatives at CES said that the HDMI input wouldn't accept 1080p. Also there is no roadblock but as far as I know no manufacturer has yet to make HDMI chips that can process 1080p. Most likely because none of the CE manufacturers decided to spend the extra money for 1080p HDMI chips.
  12. Comments by UCSB (AVSforum Member)
  13. Today, 01-18-2005, Administrator recieved direct confirmation from Samsung that 1080p will NOT be offered as an input resolution. But, the digital conversion will go DIRECTLY from 1080i to 1080p (avoiding some other less optimal approaches). (Administrators Original Post: POST)
10. Is there a center channel speaker shelf on the 67, 68, or 78 series cabinets? There has been a general feeling in the discussions of this topic that the 67, 68, and 78 series do not have a center channel shelf.

None of the 2005 models have a center channel speaker shelf.
  1. Comment By Tetsujinwave (CES Attendee):
    There isn't enough room for a center channel on top of the 68 and 78 sets, from what I saw in the Samsung area. The back tapers from the bottom to the top--there really isn't a lot of room there for anything, much less a center channel speaker.
11. Does stepping up to 1080p affect the optimum screen size and/or my viewing distance?

In general, stepping up to 1080p will allow you view the HDTV from a closer minimum viewing distance than 720p. This will allow you to either move closer or step up to a larger monitor at your current viewing distance.
  1. Comments by schaffer970 (AVSforum Member) (Excellent link on 1080p and 720p viewing distance)
  2. Here is a rather technical article on what you can actually see and how far away you can see it: HDTV and the Resolving Power of the Eye. Basically it says that for HDTV 3 X screen height.
  3. Comments by millerwill (AVSforum Member)
  4. My 1.5xdiagonal as the optimum viewing distance for the 'full hd big screen effect' does come from the reference schaffer970 cites. Since the height of a 9x16 screen is about 0.5 of the diagonal [9/sqrt(337) = 0.49], 3 times the screen ht is ~ 1.5 x diagonal. I agree that this seems awfully close, and I would interpret it to be the CLOSEST one could possibly sit; and with a 720p set one would likely begin to see artifacts at this distance. With my hlp6163 I sit about 10 ft away, i.e., 2xdiag, and will probably stay at about this same distance with the hlr6768 I'm planning on; so this would make my factor 120/67 = 1.8; if I scoot up a ft it becomes 108/67 = 1.6, getting close to the minimum. [If I were to stay at 10 ft away, and were to get a screen that came to the minimal factor of 1.5, I could go up to a screen size of 80 "!
12. When designing my room layout are there any restrictions on the placement of my DLP HDTV?
  1. Comments by UCSB (AVSforum Member)
    DLP HDTV's have excellent horizontal viewing angles. I have not looked this stat up, but perhaps 160 degrees. But, they have rather restricted vertical viewing angles. I don't have a stat on this at this point in time, but think small, perhaps 15 degrees. What this means is you will get your best picture when you are viewing the set from approximately screen height (or from just under the screen height). Place the HDTV to high, say above a fireplace in a smaller room, and your picture quality could be very poor. Picture quality drops off the further below the TV the viewer becomes.
    ADDED LATER: I've been doing a little more planning on my upgrade. Specifically, I have been analyzing vertical viewing angles. The link below is a smaller version of a larger 125MB file (9216 pixel wide). There are six screen shots in the photo. In the original each screen shot is 7.1 MP image and is 3072x2304, shot with a Canon S70 using a Samsung HLN467W. The screen shots show various distances below center line on the screen in degrees. From left to right across the top row is 0 degrees, -5, -10. On the bottom row from left to right is -15, -20, - 23 degrees.

    Viewing angle analysis photo: CLICK HERE

    I'm still analyzing the data, but there is a consistent change is the picture from 0 to 23 degrees. Even in the 0 to 5 degrees below center line there is a noticable difference. I'll get my ideas together and comment more on this later, but one thing is for sure ... the vertical viewing angle is very sensitive to small changes. Look at the black title bar in the lower part of the screen and notice how it consistently lightens with each change in angle.
13. Some HLP owners have reported smudge problems on two layer viewing screens, has this problem been resolved with the screen material and designs being used on the 2005 models?
  1. Comments by Administrator (AVSforum Member)
  2. Steve P. of Samsung says that this is a manufacturing problem and it will be resolved. His entire answer can be found in this post by Administrator POST.
14. Is the CableCard tuner a dual tuner model? Is it capable of PIP? Is the CableCard Tuner a second generation model capable of two way communications to support services like VOD (video on demand)??
  1. Comments by Administrator (AVSforum Member)
  2. Steve P. of Samsung says that the CableCard tuner in the new DLPs will not be one of the new second generation models. His entire answer can be found in this post by Administrator POST.
  3. Comments by UCSB (AVSforum Member)
  4. We have not found any evidence that PIP will be supported or that the model will be a dual tuner setup. All new Samsung plasmas and DLPs supporting do not support PIP and are single tuner CableCard setups.
15. What are the stand part numbers and dimensions for the available Samsung stands?
  1. --Stand Part-- --For:-- --Dims(WxDxH)--
    TR4266X/XAA --HL-R4266W --39.5 x 17.8 x 19
    TR46X3X/XAA --4667 --43 x 17.8 x 19
    TR46L5SX/XAA --4677 --40.6 x 21.9 x 19.9
    TR46X3X/XAA --5067/5078 --46.5 x 17.8 x 19
    TR46X3X/XAA --5667 --52.4 x 17.8 x 19
    TR46X3X/XAA --5688/5678 --52.5 x 17.8 x 19
    TR56L5SX/XAA --5677 --49.9 x 21.9 x 19.9
    TR61X2X/XAA --6167/6168/6178 --56.9 x 17.8 x 17

    TR85X/XAA --HL-R5087W/HL-R5688W --59.6 x 20.2 x 21.8
    TR61X2X/XAA --HL-R6768W --62.4 x 17.8 x 17
16. Is there any information about the differences between the HD3 / xHD3 generation chips and HD4 / xHD4 generation chips?
  1. Comments by Schaffer970 (AVSforum Member)
    I have spent countless hours scouring the internet trying to figure out what the chip scheme is that TI is/will be using. Just lately things have fallen in place for me and I think I have it figured out (of course all of this may be BS too). The most recent developments in chip technologies made by TI are something called Fast Track Pixel (FTP) and DarkChip3. FTP actually changes the chip architecture (there is one less layer and the chip is easier to manufacture, see attachment) while DarkChip3, as I understand it, adds a coating to minimize light scattering from within the chip (I am not completely sure where FTP stops and DarkChip3 starts but it really doesnít matter). What this all results in, is that the HD4 chip is a HD3 chip with FTP/DarkChip3 and the xHD4 is xHD3 with FTP/DarkChip3. I believe that for at least this year, the only new chips we will see will be the wobbulated HD4/xHD4. It would not surprise me to see a non-wobbulated chip in 2006.

    I believe the naming scheme that TI seems to have settled on is the chip diagonal size followed by 720p, 1080p or some other designation such as XGA. So far we have .55 XGA, .8 720p (in the SIM2 HT300E), and rumors of .85 1080p.

    In the mean time, the sets that Samsung is putting out seem to continue to have the existing HD2+ or HD3 chips in them with the inputs updated. Hopefully things will become clear as to when we will see the new chips over the next couple of months (look for the inclusion of DarkChip3 in info from Samsung).

    Chip Diagram: Fast Track Pixel - FTP
17. Will 1080p be supported on the component video inputs on the 1080p units?
  1. Comment by BruiserG (New AVSforum Member)
    The new 1080p products launcing this summer will NOT accept 1080p via DVI, HDMI or Analog Component Video. (See this post for more info POST).
  2. NOTE by UCSB - As far as we know there will not be a DVI input on the 1080p sets, so you might want to disregard that part of the above statement.
18. What information is available on the video processing chips in the new HLRxxxxW models?
  1. Links supplied by Schaffer970 (AVSforum Member)
    Schaffer970's careful inspection of a FCC certification filing found that the new HDTV's are using these chips:
    1080p Video Processing: Genesis GM1601 -- Spec Sheet
    720p Video Processing: Genesis GM1501
19. How do you remove the pedestal base on the HLR series tabletop units?
  1. Comments supplied by LostGator (AVSforum Member)
    Ok, after looking at removing the base a little more, I finally got it. Basically, remove the 2 screws on the back of the unit which hold the base on (you'll see what I mean when you see it). Push down the two tabs on the base until you hear a click or can see they're free of the main unit. Gently tap the the base from the front. This will push the base toward the back and it will just slide off. Even easier than the HLP's 10 screws, once you know how to do it.
20. What cables are required to connect your personal computer to the VGA/PC input on a Samsung HDTV?
  1. Text by UCSB, Technical Solution supplied by Schaffer970 & FlySaab (AVS Members)
    Samsung HDTVs have a VGA/PC input that can be used to connect a personal computer to the TV. This input is an analog input. The cable that you will require will need to have a VGA connector on the HDTV end. On the computer end of the cable you will have two options. The option that you select will depend on the type of output you want to use on your computerís video card. Video cards have two types of outputs: VGA and DVI.

    If you want to use the VGA output on your video card, then you will have to get a standard VGA to VGA monitor cable.

    If you want to use a DVI connector on your video card then the situation is a little more complicated. You will need to determine if the DVI output on the video card is a DVI-I output with analog support. Here is an excellent description of how you can determine if you have a DVI-I (digital and analog support) or DVI-D (digital only) connector: CLICK HERE. If you have a DVI-I connector AND your video card supports analog output through the DVI-I connector, then you can use the DVI output to connect to the HDTV. In that case you will need a cable with a DVI-A connector on the computer end and a VGA connector on the HDTV end.

    You should also check that your video card will support the resolution that you want to use (1280x720 for 720p, 1920x1080 for 1080p) and that you have enough memory on your video card to support your planned configuration.

    For further information check this post: CLICK HERE



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CHANGES TO SPECS:

01-10-2005 11:00 AM - Removed reference to IEEE 1394 input / output from both the series 68 and series 88 specs

01-10-2005 11:00 AM - Added question about black lacquer cases to open questions area

01-10-2005 11:20 AM - Reduced the contrast ratio on the HLR5688W from 10,000:1 to 5,000:1 per Samsung press release - thanks administrator

01-10-2005 11:50 AM - Reduced the number of HDMI inputs on the HLR5087W from 2 to 1 per Samsung press release -thanks administrator

01-10-2005 12:07 PM - Added comment about some models being available in an all black lacquer case

01-10-2005 12:20 PM - Removed question about black lacquer cases, since it was answered by pjr - thanks pjr

01-10-2005 12:20 PM - Added a question covering whether 1080p can be sent to the 68/88 sets via HDMI

01-10-2005 12:20 PM - Added a question covering what computer resolutions are supported on the 1080p sets

01-10-2005 12:20 PM - Added question about computer gaming capabilities on the 68/88 series

01-10-2005 04:45 PM - Added comment about possible chip upgrade between 88 and 68 series

01-10-2005 07:50 PM - Added question about VGA / PC Connector

01-10-2005 11:11 PM - Added 78 series info and photos

01-10-2005 11:11 PM - Modified info on black lacquer case

01-10-2005 11:30 PM - Added VGA/PC input to all units

01-10-2005 11:41 PM - Added Photo Link HLR6168W

01-10-2005 11:50 PM - Added 67 series placecard

01-11-2005 09:30 AM - Added HLR6768W photo

01-11-2005 09:30 AM - Added addition info to video gaming question

01-11-2005 01:30 PM - Updated Info on 78 series and moved to top of 1080p section, added disclaimer about accuracy of information

01-11-2005 08:00 PM - Added TV Guide electronic program guide to all models

01-11-2005 08:20 PM - Added IEEE 1394 info in 1080p area, added new pictures

01-11-2005 09:00 PM - Closed out question about the future of HLPxx74W line; closed out question about additional models in 2005

01-12-2005 12:15 AM - Added open issue about center channel speaker shelf

01-12-2005 10:20 AM - Added several photos, fixed a broken link, text editing

01-12-2005 02:30 PM - Closed out question about HDMI digital video resolutions and posted answer in the closed issues area, plus added info to spec area for all 1080p units

01-12-2005 03:45 PM - Added 1080p vs 720p comparison photo

01-12-2005 11:45 PM - Closed open issue about center channel shelf - none of the 2005 models have one

01-13-2005 12:15 AM - Updated DLP chip info with our latest data

01-13-2005 12:30 AM - Updated text in observations area

01-13-2005 09:00 AM - Added "The Unknown"

01-13-2005 09:20 AM - Added audio differences question between 68 and 78 series

01-13-2005 09:27 AM - Added the MSRP for the 78 series question

01-13-2005 12:45 PM - Created FAQ's section, moved open issues up higher in document

01-13-2005 10:00 PM - Deleted HLR6778W entry, can't confirm that it was a real product

01-13-2005 10:15 PM - Added link to Gemstar TV Guide + Gold DEMO

01-13-2005 10:30 PM - Added a description of AnyNet to the spec's

01-13-2005 11:00 PM - Added HLPxx63W series measurements for comparison

01-13-2005 11:00 PM - Added CableCard open issue

01-14-2005 09:47 AM - Added 3 small photos to display within the post to help people quickly understand the difference between black lacquer and floating screen units

01-14-2005 11:00 AM - Updated IEEE 1394 data based on Kirk@TVauthority's excellent information

01-14-2005 12:05 PM - Added additional 70" series 78 photo

01-14-2005 04:30 PM - Updated status on 50", 70" 78 series; closed open issues on 50"/70" and 78 series MSRP

01-14-2005 07:45 PM - Added an additional comment to the FAQ section indicating that there will be not HDMI 1080p input

01-14-2005 11:00 PM - Closed out the two open issues on 1080p PQ, and DLP chips

01-14-2005 11:00 PM - Create new list of items we will want to test once production sets are released

01-14-2005 11:00 PM - Added viewing screen design issue to problems to check area

01-15-2005 07:40 PM - Added warning about errors in C/Net coverage on video

01-15-2005 11:00 PM - Added new 6168 and 7078 pictures

01-15-2005 11:20 PM - Revised layout and small placeholder photos

01-16-2005 10:00 AM - Updated layout and organized text better

01-17-2005 09:00 AM - Added first pedestal model photo - great photo

01-18-2005 01:15 PM - Added link to additional 1080p screen shots and technical info in series 78 section

01-18-2005 02:00 PM - Updated HDMI digital input specs to indicate that 1080p resolution will NOT be offered on 1080p series 68,78, 88

01-18-2005 02:00 PM - Added comments to 1080p input section

01-18-2005 02:10 PM - Change lead in comments on 68 and 78 series to indicate that the internals are the same on both the 68 and 78 series

01-18-2005 02:15 PM - Added a comment about HLPxx74W series production ending in March or April

01-18-2005 03:30 PM - Updated copy per suggestions --- if any other changes or corrections need to be made --- please PM me

01-18-2005 08:45 PM - Added HiRes photos, Samsung press release link

01-18-2005 09:15 PM - Added LoRes previews of HiRes photos

01-18-2005 09:15 PM - Raised guess price on HLR5078W

01-19-2005 10:00 PM - Added additional photos to 68, 67, 87, 88 series

01-19-2005 10:30 PM - New POST photos of 5087 and 5688, plus fixed link to administrators comments in FAQ #9

01-20-2005 04:50 PM - Added additional photos and placecards from gotHDTV

01-20-2005 06:00 PM - Added FAQ # 12

01-20-2005 06:15 PM - Added FAQ # 13

01-21-2005 10:00 AM - Removed stock Samsung photos from some screen sizes after determining the photos were not of those screen sizes

01-21-2005 05:30 PM - Replaced 6768 Photo #1 with a better version

01-22-2005 11:45 AM - Added PR $6,999 price note back in for 67" 68 series

01-22-2005 06:20 PM - Updated Photo #7 in 7078 with higher quality image

01-23-2005 05:45 PM - Added addition information to FAQ #13, including a viewing angle photo

01-25-2005 11:00 AM - Added Photo #8 to 7078 photo area

01-26-2005 03:25 PM - Added Photo #9 to 7078 photo area

01-26-2005 03:35 PM - Moved release date for 87/88 series to Apr 2005

01-30-2005 11:50 PM - Removed all white text from post, AVS white users can now use FAQs without a problem

01-31-2005 10:00 AM - Added photo #10, 70" 78 series

01-31-2005 11:20 AM - Added photo #11, 70" 78 series

01-31-2005 12:40 PM - Added photo #12, 70" 78 series

02-05-2005 10:30 PM - Replaced several 78 series photos with higher resolution versions

02-05-2005 10:40 PM - Added a new photo to 6168 photo section

02-05-2005 10:45 PM - Added a new photo to 7078 photo section

02-07-2005 06:00 PM - Added photo #8 to 6168 photo section

02-07-2005 06:15 PM - Added technical drawing links to the measurements sections of 67, 68, 78 series

02-08-2005 01:45 PM - Fixed HRLxxxxW typo ... now HLRxxxxW

02-08-2005 08:20 PM - Added Photo #9 in 6168 section

02-11-2005 10:15 AM - Added Photo #10 in 6168 section

02-11-2005 10:30 AM - Replaced Photo #4 in 7078 section with larger, clearer version

02-15-2005 02:15 PM - Added 1080p component video and 1080p tuner questions to open issues area

02-16-2005 12:50 PM - Confirmed xHD3 in HLR5688W, updated specs

02-16-2005 01:00 PM - Added TI DLP Brochure in Series 78 section

02-16-2005 02:00 PM - Added TI DLP Presentation in Series 78 section

02-17-2005 09:40 PM - Begin creating the HiRes photo area added 5078, 5678

02-20-2005 09:30 PM - Added 6168 HiRes sample, removed 6768 photo in from of FAQ's

02-22-2005 02:30 PM - Added the smudged screen issue resolution as item #14 in FAQ section

02-22-3005 02:35 PM - Added update about Samsung POSSIBLY not producing the Series 78 product line and going with the Series 68 line alone

02-22-2005 03:00 PM - Added the CableCard issue resolution as item #15 in the FAQ section

02-23-2005 07:00 PM - Added link to high resolution gallery

02-25-2005 10:45 AM - Revised Series 67 release dates to mid MAY

03-01-2005 06:33 PM - Removed TV Guide needs to be confirmed from Series 67, it has been confirmed

03-08-2005 10:00 AM - Added question about 1080p over 1394 to open issues area

03-10-2005 07:45 PM - Added photo of the back of a HLR4667W to 67 Series section

03-10-2005 07:45 PM - Added link to HLR4667W preliminary manual

03-11-2005 09:30 PM - Updated 67 manual link and description associated with BACK photos

03-11-2005 09:30 PM - Increased the number of S-Video and composite inputs on the 67 series to 3 each

03-18-2005 12:21 PM - Updated FAQ #9 to indicate the production of HLRxx77W

03-21-2005 10:30 PM - Add measurements for all units, added HLRxx67W final owners manual link, add FAQ #16 with all stand dimensions

03-24-2005 12:15 AM - Added HLR4266W to 67 series section ... this is a new 42" model

03-24-2005 12:15 AM - Added digital audio output (optical) to all NEW units with CableCard (not 77 series)

03-24-2005 12:30 AM - Added weight in lbs. for the 67 series units, data taken from owners manual

03-24-2005 12:45 AM - Added 77 series units to the 720p section

03-24-2005 12:45 AM - Changed the release dates for the 67 series to mid APRIL, changed the release date for the 87 series to mid APRIL

03-24-2005 08:00 AM - Corrected 77 series pricing

03-24-2005 08:10 AM - Added HLR4266W manual to 67 series area; also added weight to specs area

03-24-2005 08:30 AM - Added preliminary spec sheet links for 67 / 87 series

03-24-2005 09:00 AM - Added FAQ #17 covering chip technology updates

03-25-2005 03:30 PM - Noted in 67 series section that HLR4266W does not have CableCard or TV Guide

03-25-2005 06:30 PM - Removed HLR4266W CableCard and TV Guide statments, they are actually included with the unit

03-26-2005 10:30 AM - Removed the tentative comments from HLR5078W and HLR7078W models in the 78 series section - this is based on Samsung continuing include these models in dealer communications

03-26-2005 09:00 PM - Added more detail to 77 series specs

03-26-2005 11:45 PM - Removed "What we don't know" question about dimensions ... we have them now. Also, removed FAQ about dimensions.

04-02-2005 10:45 PM - Added FAQ #17, there will be no 1080p component video input on new 1080p units

04-02-2005 10:45 PM - Removed open question on 1080p component video input

04-02-2005 11:15 PM - Added HLR5688W preliminary manual to 88 series section ... this is the first 1080p manual

04-05-2005 02:45 PM - Clarified that 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz will be supported on the PC/VGA input on the 1080p models

04-07-2005 10:45 AM - Reset 67 series release date to mid May

04-08-2005 10:30 PM - Updated 67 Series contrast ratio to read up to 2500:1

04-08-2005 10:30 PM - Add link to Samsung HLRxx67W Series brochure ... excellent

04-09-2005 09:00 AM - Confirmed HD4 in HLRxx67W series

04-09-2005 10:00 AM - Added SamsungUSA.com link for HLR4266W

04-11-2005 10:30 PM - Added HLRxx87W owners manual to 87 series section

04-11-2005 10:30 PM - Added a possible new model HLR5687W to the 87 series section

04-11-2005 11:00 PM - Added FAQ #18 about video processing chips

04-19-2005 03:00 PM - Added comment to 67 CR spec indicating confusion over 2000:1 or 2500:1 --- RESET IT BACK TO 2500:1

04-25-2005 09:00 PM - Added HLRxx67W Quick Reference Guide

04-25-2005 09:30 PM - Added open issue / question about customer firmware updates to "What we don't know yet:" section.

04-29-2005 09:30 AM - Revised 5688 price and delivery date; Revised 5087 price and delivery date

04-29-2005 09:45 AM - Reviese 68 / 78 series pricing and delivery dates

04-29-2005 10:00 AM - Revised Cinema Smooth Generation Light Engine spec from gen 5 to gen 6 on 68/78 series

04-29-2005 10:15 AM - Added dynamic black comment to 68 / 78 / 88 series

04-29-2005 10:20 AM - Added HES press release to top of POST

04-29-2005 10:30 AM - Updated 88 / 87 series specs

04-29-2005 07:45 PM - Added Photo of rear inputs on 68 / 78 series

04-29-2005 11:00 PM - Added 7178, deleted 7078 model

04-29-2005 11:15 PM - Added comment to 1080p intro stating that the internal components of the 68, 78, 88 series are all equivalent

05-02-2005 10:00 PM - Removed text discussing possible non-production of 78 series ... we now know it will be released

05-02-2005 10:00 PM - Simplified PC support question under information that we don't know

05-03-2005 08:30 AM - Revised 67 series availability to first week in May

05-09-2005 10:00 AM - Created a separate 720p Owner's Thread

05-12-2005 09:24 AM - Revised 78 series pricing

05-13-2005 10:00 AM - No VGA/PC, 1394 on HLRxx87W

05-16-2005 11:50 AM - Added link to Samsung.com to 67 series area

05-24-2005 08:30 AM - Added reminder to check the HDMI input on 68, 78, 88 series for 1080p support

05-24-2005 09:45 AM - Updated HLR5688W availability to June

05-24-2005 07:20 PM - Added comment to top of 720p section indicating that all 2005 models are shipping and discussing 2003, 2004 models

05-24-2005 07:45 PM - Added links to SamsungUSA.com in the 77, 87 series areas

05-24-2005 08:00 PM - Added DLP Chip Operation area to each model line

05-24-2005 08:30 PM - Added links to 78 series spec sheets at the top of the 78 series area, excellent doc

05-24-2005 08:40 PM - Changed all 1080p contrast ratio specs to read 'up to 10,000:1'

05-24-2005 09:00 PM - Added brightness spec to 78 series section

05-24-2005 09:15 PM - Updated 78 series dimensions

05-24-2005 09:25 PM - Revised 68 series dimensions

05-24-2005 09:35 PM - Added lamp specs to series 78 section

05-25-2005 10:25 AM - Added brightness and lamp specs to 68 series section

05-26-2005 04:00 PM - Added standard TI chip descriptions in the form (.xx" xxxxp) format

05-26-2005 04:00 PM - Added DLP Chip Note to 87 series section describing the HD2++

05-26-2005 07:45 PM - Confirmed 2500:1 contrast ratio on HLRxx87W

05-26-2005 08:30 PM - Added a link to owners thread in 87 series section

05-26-2005 08:45 PM - Added a link to owners thread in 67 series section

05-27-2005 01:00 AM - HLR4266W spec differences from HLRxx67W models are listed in the 67 series section

05-31-2005 08:30 AM - Confirmed HD2+ in 5087, closed out open issue about DLP chip in unit and updated text in 87 series area

06-01-2005 11:45 AM - Added brightness and lamps specs to the 67 series area

06-01-2005 12:00 PM - Added FAQ #18, instructions for removing the pedestal base from tabletop models

06-06-2005 11:30 AM - Added technical drawings for 67, 68, 78, 87 series, great for installation planning

06-11-2005 06:00 PM - Added two questions to the "tests we will want to make after systems are available" area.

06-14-2005 03:15 PM - Added 68 series spec sheets

06-14-2005 03:20 PM - Removed estimated from 6768 lamp spec, it will be using the 132/120 lamp

06-14-2005 03-25 PM - Updated 6768 brightness spec to 550

06-14-2005 03:45 PM - Added a question about DVD players (to upshift or not) to our items that we will want to test

06-15-2005 05:30 AM - Revised 68, 78 release dates to July

06-18-2005 12:45 AM - Added power consumption specs to all models.

06-19-2005 01:45 PM - Updated the HLR4266W specifications

06-20-2005 11:51 PM - Added Canadian Models ONLY section

06-22-2005 08:30 AM - Updated Canadian Models based on input from Canadian AVS member

06-23-2005 11:30 AM - Added FAQ #20, Cabling to connect HDTV to Personal Computer

06-24-2005 09:15 AM - Updated Canadian Specs

06-24-2005 04:00 PM - Added HLRxx78W series OWNERS MANUAL to 78 series section

06-24-2005 05:00 PM - Added HLR5688 online OWNERS MANUAL to 88 series section

06-24-2005 09:30 PM - Added HLR5688 pdf OWNERS MANUAL to 88 series section

06/25/2005 09:15 PM - Updated VGA/PC spec on HLRxx64W's

07/01/2005 12:15 PM - Updated HLR5688W due date to July

07/04/2005 10:45 AM - Added question #5 about DNIe to open questions

07/05/2005 10:45 AM - Added question #6 about multichannel HDMI audio to open questions

07/05/2005 12:15 PM - Added question #8 about input labels to the thing we want to test section

07/05/2005 01:00 PM - Added HLRxx68W owners manual to 68 series section

07/08/2005 03:00 PM - Added question #9 to items we want to test area, covers 1:1 pixel mapping from computer

07/11/2005 09:00 AM - Added 68 series brochure and created new measurements area for TV without base is 68 series area

07/11/2005 09:00 AM - Added 78 series brochure and created new measurements area for TV without base is 78 series area

07/14/2005 09:45 PM - Added a link to photos of internal components in 68 / 78 series.

07/15/2005 09:30 AM - Added 87 / 88 Spec Sheets

07/16/2005 12:30 AM - Created a separate 1080p Owner's Thread

08/09/2005 11:00 AM - Marked HLR4677W as discontinued

10/06/2005 11:00 AM - Updated HLR7178W release date

10/08/2005 01:45 PM - Updated HLR7178W screen & release date

Answers: Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion ( AVS Forum HLRxxxxW Models Rear Projection Units )
Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Not sure if this is the right place for this but, the discrete code for the pip swap on the HLRs is 172. I don't know much about the discrete codes. But, I used a Radio Shack All-In-One to find it and then taught it to my 880. REMEMBER: You can not swap HDMI or PC inputs but, all others can be swapped.
Hope that helps someone......

bobcuch

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Hey guys! I have an issue with changing channels from SD back to HD. It seems that most of the time the TV is not realizing it needs to change resolution and it puts the HD signal in a box (as if it were 16:9 on an SD channel). The only way to fix it is to change the channel to ESPN or ABC HD at which time it changes to HD and I can flip to any other HD channel. I'm assuming this has something to do with those being the only HD channels I get that are 720p. I have tried various settings on the Cox/SA 8300HD box but Cox assures me that it is a TV related issue... any thougts?

fsteddie

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I have an HLR5668.

Does anyone know if the TV will accept a 1080p signal through HDMI?? I bought my tv on the assumption that it would accept a 1080p signal. Is it true??

Rekkapryde

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rekkapryde
I have an HLR5668.

Does anyone know if the TV will accept a 1080p signal through HDMI?? I bought my tv on the assumption that it would accept a 1080p signal. Is it true??
Bad assumption - sorry to say. It does NOT accept 1080p over HDMI. However, it will do so over VGA.

The 2006 HLS accepts 1080p over HDMI.

wish_i_had_hdtv

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Got my Toshiba HD-A1 yesterday. Happy to report that it works fine with the Samsung HLR series TV thru HDMI right out of the box. I downloaded firmware 2.0 thru the box before I ever put a disk in. It took about 50 minutes.

Lip sync don't seem to be near as bad as the OPPO player I have. Around 20 -30ms I'd guess. At first I got what seemed like a weird echo during talking scenes. Checked my audio setup and couldn't find the problem until I remembered I had unmuted my TV speakers to watch HD OTA using the TV receiver. Then it occured to me that I was passing audio as well as video thru HDMI. I also had an optical cable connected to my receiver. Muted the TV and everything was fine.

Tyrod

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I've recently downloaded the Fall Update for my XBox 360, which is currently hooked up to Samsung HLR-6178 via component (with digital audio to Denon 3805). Picture quality is very good.

But i am curious - could it be even better thru VGA? Especially with HD-DVD coming out soon?

If so, anyone have a complete list of settings to maximize pq (not only contrast/brightness, but resolution settings, etc)?

i would truly appreciate it. thanks in advance...

jshore

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by jshore
I've recently downloaded the Fall Update for my XBox 360, which is currently hooked up to Samsung HLR-6178 via component (with digital audio to Denon 3805). Picture quality is very good.

But i am curious - could it be even better thru VGA? Especially with HD-DVD coming out soon?

If so, anyone have a complete list of settings to maximize pq (not only contrast/brightness, but resolution settings, etc)?

i would truly appreciate it. thanks in advance...
For maximum PQ it goes something like this

HDMI > DVI > VGA > Component

jblade

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Hi guys,

I am looking for some advice in regards to my purchase of a Samsung DLP. I have skimmed the HL-S threads for some time now, and done my homework pretty good, but could always use some more input.

I was all set to purchase a HL-S6187 very soon, and in the end after tax, a stand, and 3 year extended warranty, I would have spent about the same amount as 2,650 Wendy's value menu cheeseburgers

I normally wouldn't have thought about buying a 'used' set, however, I came across another home theater enthusiast who has a pretty killer deal being offered to me (same cost as only 1,500 Wendy's value menu cheeseburgers !!!). He has a HL-R5668 set that he bought in March '06 when he moved into his new house. The set is pristine (I'd basically call it nearly new to be honest), has never been moved since delivery, has the Samsung stand, double the factory warranty due to purchase with an AMEX card, has original receipt and paperwork. Bought it from ButterFly Photo, who seems to be a reputable and authorized Samsung dealer. Since it's still under factory warranty, I'd be able to buy an additional extended warranty on the set, which is a huge concern to me. I have gone and viewed the set in both HD and SD, and even hooked up my HTPC to it and ran some test patterns and HD movies. Everything checks out quite nicely, and this seems like a great way for me to get a fantastic set and price. The gentleman was able to answer all my questions and concerns, and is only selling the set to move up to a 61" Samsung actually, as he is going to be having a custom cabinet built for his home theater, and wants the bigger set to sit flush with the measurements in a particular area of the home.

The price difference is very large, and I'd be able to save a big chunk of change, as you can see. That is large concern to me right now. I haven't had a chance yet to read up on the HL-R sets, so I'm hoping people will be able to give me feedback, and I'd like to hear what YOU would do if you were in this situation. Also, I am planning to have set calibrated early next year.

1. Am I losing any "real world" picture quality by going with an HL-R vs an HL-S ? My sources will mostly be Cox Cable HD, and a HTPC for DVD playback.

2. Is the color wheel different from the HL-S one, in amount of color segments or RPMs ?

3. Since I am interested in using the set as a HTPC a fair amount of the time, can the HL-R do 1x1 pixel mapping like the HL-S series can ? Can under/over scan be defeated ? If not, can I still use "PowerStrip" to make a custom resolution and have 1x1 mapping on the HL-R series ? Today I hooked my HTPC up to it via the VGA input, and it had underscan, but still looked pretty decent. I tried hitting the P.Zoom button, but it wouldn't let me change anything, except going to 4:3 mode instead of Wide. I wasn't able to zoom the picture and fill the screen.

Thanks so much for reading. Please give me your comments - I need some guidance

jhoweth

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I haven't been able to play my PS2 on my HLP because of the video lag and was wondering if the PS3 would be the same.

Anyone tried it yet?

udp

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by udp
I haven't been able to play my PS2 on my HLP because of the video lag and was wondering if the PS3 would be the same.

Anyone tried it yet?
if you set the ps3 to 720p, you should have no problems whatsoever with lag...It only is a problem with older ps2 games played on the ps3 if they are not 480p compatible and run at 480i..

Supermans

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I am quite upset as well, Has anyone been able to get Samsung to either replace their set, or upgrade it in some way? I am sick of having to basically limit my game play because Samsung messed up on their sets.

jblade

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

To confirm the post a few osts above.

If I understand, Although the PS3 can play Blu-Ray and display 1080p, there are several output options to display 1080p - HDMI & Component video.

Did i read a prior post correctly and that this TV will not be able to accept a 1080 signal either via the Component or HDMI ports? And the highest resolution would be 1080i/720p -depending upon the source (Blu Ray DVD (1080i) vs video game (720p))?

Is this correct?
Thanks

td0804

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by td0804
To confirm the post a few osts above.

If I understand, Although the PS3 can play Blu-Ray and display 1080p, there are several output options to display 1080p - HDMI & Component video.

Did i read a prior post correctly and that this TV will not be able to accept a 1080 signal either via the Component or HDMI ports? And the highest resolution would be 1080i/720p -depending upon the source (Blu Ray DVD (1080i) vs video game (720p))?

Is this correct?
Thanks
According to the specs on the Samsung web site for this model, it will accept 1080i via the Component inputs. It does not specify what signals it will accept via HDMI.

MANNAXMAN

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

The set will accept 1080i over HDMI. The only way to get 1080p into the set is via VGA.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by schaffer970
The set will accept 1080i over HDMI. The only way to get 1080p into the set is via VGA.
I just started using my HLR 6168 as a monitor for my PC (have been playing movies in 1080p for a while now). However, I am noticing that the text is quite blurry and out of focus even at 1600x1200.

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Many thanks!

wish_i_had_hdtv

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by wish_i_had_hdtv
I just started using my HLR 6168 as a monitor for my PC (have been playing movies in 1080p for a while now). However, I am noticing that the text is quite blurry and out of focus even at 1600x1200.

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Many thanks!
I run my HTPC @ 1920x1080 and I find text to be blurry as well. I did make the icons & text larger thru windows controls, but the text still isn't very well defined. Movies & OTA HD play fine with good definition, but windows text isn't what I'd like.

Tyrod

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Why would the 1080p sets not carry a premium over the the new 720p sets? I would expect there to be one. I would love the MSRP's of the 68/78 series on the first page of this thread to be accurate but I fear they will end up being higher.

T. Perinne

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Here is information on the chips Samsung is using in the new sets (HLRs)for HD decoding:

SAMSUNG has selected ATI's Xilleon and Theater chips in their series of mainstream to premium HDTVs for the worldwide market

Here is a link to more information:

SAMSUNG Electronics DLP HDTVs Endorse ATI As The Digital TV Technology Leader

(edit better link)

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Thanks for the manual schaffer970. On page 14, it says that the HDMI inputs are not compatible with PCs. Why would a PC with a DVI-HDMI cable be any different from a DVD player or cable box?

On the other hand, it looks like the VGA input will accept a 1920x1080 @60Hz signal.

Trying to figure out how best to connect a HTPC to this thing.

spear

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I was wondering the same thing. Possibility there are issues with overscan with HDMI. Also a possibility that this can be worked out in the service menu.

I need to also spend time looking into what the ATI chips will do, described in the above post.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by schaffer970
OK, I give up. No comments on the users manual for the first of the 1920x1080 sets?

To me the fact that we have FCC approval for the first of the 1080p sets is terribly exciting! If you will recall the new 720p sets showed up on the FCC site not long before we saw them on the Samsung site. I am hopeful that we will see the HLRxx68/78 soon so that we may really see them in June.
Thanks for finding the manual, I'll add it to post #1. Hopefully, we can use it to answer at least one of our open issues questions. I have included the open issues below.

What we DONíT KNOW so far:

1. What is the contrast ratio specís for the HLR5087W 720p pedestal model? If they had one on display, did anyone notice if the pixel pattern was HD2+ or newer HD4 pattern?

2. What computer resolutions are supported on the 68, 78, and 88 series sets (1920x1080?)? How would this work through the HDMI connection (via DVI - HDMI cable?) Specifically, does it support 1920x1080. Since we have confirmed that the 68, 78, and 88 will have VGA/PC input, what resolutions will be supported via this input?

3. Will 1080p be supported on the component video inputs on the 1080p units?

4. Will the internal ATSC tuner or CableCard tuner support the future 1080p broadcast format on the 1080p units?

5. What capabilities does the 1394 port have to support 1080p? Specifically, if the internal tuner can support broadcast 1080p/24, can this be output via the 1394 port? Could a 1080p signal be input via the 1394 port?

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by UCSB
I would like to just remind everyone that Samsung has not released any 78 series pricing yet. The MSRP's in POST #1 are my best guesses. My assumption is that they would be priced at the same level as the 68 series. I don't expect them to be any cheaper, but I guess they could carry a small premium.

Can anyone remember if there was a pricing difference between the HLNxx7W and HLNxx65W models in 2003? That was a similar situation where the dealers received cabinets that were a little nicer.
I think the HLNxx7W was a little more expensive then the HLNxx65W. (If I remember correctly. )

The higher-end retailers got the HLNxx7W and they will also get the 78 Series. I believe the 78 Series will be a little more expensive then the 68 Series...

They give the higher-end retailers different sets (like the HLNxx7W and HLRxx78W) so they don't have to price match with other stores like Best Buy, etc.

Strator

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by T. Perinne
Why would the 1080p sets not carry a premium over the the new 720p sets? I would expect there to be one. I would love the MSRP's of the 68/78 series on the first page of this thread to be accurate but I fear they will end up being higher.
1080p sets carry a big premium over 720p. In addition, we don't know how much discounting is going to occur on the 1080p models ... so the gap could even be wider.

The 68 series prices in POST #1 are from a Samsung press release. They should be accurate (although Samsung can always adjust pricing when the sets are actually released). What I meant by my earlier post is ... even though we have 68 series pricing, there has not been any announced 78 series pricing so I had to guess on the 78 series pricing.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by T. Perinne
Why would the 1080p sets not carry a premium over the the new 720p sets? I would expect there to be one.
I think you may have misread UCSB's post at the bottom of page 82...

He wasn't talking about 720p sets. He was referring to the 68 and 78 Series which are both 1080p. (68 Series sold in stores like Best Buy. 78 Series sold at higher-end retailers and custom installers.)

The question was whether or not there would be a price difference between those two 1080p sets.

Strator

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Gotcha...

Then in that case, I too think the 78 series would be slightly higher than the 68.

I am also a bit surprised that the internals would be 100% the same between the 68 and 78, I would have guessed the 78 series to have a slight technical advantage as well i.e. number of inputs, picture adjustability, etc. - not just a cosmetic difference. For example, Pio's Elite line of plasmas have different cosmetics but also a few technical enhancements.

T. Perinne

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by T. Perinne
I am also a bit surprised that the internals would be 100% the same between the 68 and 78, I would have guessed the 78 series to have a slight technical advantage as well i.e. number of inputs, picture adjustability, etc. - not just a cosmetic difference. For example, Pio's Elite line of plasmas have different cosmetics but also a few technical enhancements.

The HLM and HLN lines had different cosmetic lines with no internal differences. The purpose of the two versions was to avoid price matching. That seems to be the assumption regarding the "68"/"78" series.

For instance BB is a big Samsung customer. So is Magnolia but they are a higher end regional chain. They also happen to be owned by BB. I wouldn't expect BB to want price matching going on "in-house".

htwaits

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by T. Perinne
I am also a bit surprised that the internals would be 100% the same between the 68 and 78
They did this with the HLN models in 2003... The HLNxx7W had the same internals as the other HLN's, only difference was the "Ultra Thin Bezel" cabinet.

Like I said, it just gives the higher-end retailers a little different model to sell so they don't have to price match with other stores...

Plus it's probably easier/cheaper for Samsung to do that then develop a whole new model.

Strator

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

It's a good thing we have TVA to provide competitive prices regardless of the model, including nice discounts through powerbuys.

Clorox

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by Clorox
It's a good thing we have TVA to provide competitive prices regardless of the model, including nice discounts through powerbuys.
AMEN!!!!

jwv651

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I've been looking for a DLP HDTV for a few months now. From what I see here TVA is a good vendor and I will probably go through them ( I was initially scared of warranty situations and repiars, but the posts I see, its not an issue ).

Anyway, I'm looking at this power buy for HLR models and my question is should I get an HLR over an HLP? I'm looking mostly for a 46" or 50" and one of my primary concerns is depth. Both are comparable but there is a good $500 difference from HLR to HLP.

I'm not sure what some of the differences actually relate to in viewable differences...

nickavs

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

When will we know if a 1080p Samsung 50-inch set will be a reality? Until then can LG claim to have the lowest priced 1080p DLP set in the world? Are there ANY 1080p sets of any technology cheaper than the LG 1080p DLP?

Artwood

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Do the HLR models correct the Smudge problems?

nickavs

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by Administrator
Well, Samsung knows about the problem and they have another screen manufacturer that doesn't have the smudging problem...

I believe the new sets will be smudge free.

Steve said "This will need to be resolved", indicating that they will need to make sure this is fixed before the new sets ship. That's what I got out of it anyway.
Above is the information posted by Administrator from his conversations with Steve P of Samsung

Also, the following information is found in post #1

13. Some HLP owners have reported smudge problems on two layer viewing screens, has this problem been resolved with the screen material and designs being used on the 2005 models?

a. Comments by Administrator (AVSforum Member)

b. Steve P. of Samsung says that this is a manufacturing problem and it will be resolved. His entire answer can be found in this post by Administrator POST.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

sorry new to this thread... If I am picked up correctly there will be a 70 inch tv released by samsung in june??? can someone fill me in on the 70 inchers coming out.?

mikefeldy

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Go to the first post in this thread, everything that is known about the upcoming sets is contained in that post (it is updated continuously by UCSB).

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

It looks like we are getting closer to the 1080p sets. If you do a google search for hlr6168w or hlr6768w, you get a link to TVA pages that are not up yet. Updated information is listed from what TVA currently shows on their web site. Two items are of interest, first CR is now listed at 5,000:1, not a big surprise and expected in stock date is 7/1. I have my fingers crossed that for those of us who have pre-ordered, maybe an actual June ship date.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

When you say 7/1 in stock date, does that also include stores such as Tweeter owning them?

I'm just thinking that a 1080p set is going to be more than 4k and I don't like the sound of that.

subwoofer

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by subwoofer
When you say 7/1 in stock date, does that also include stores such as Tweeter owning them?

I'm just thinking that a 1080p set is going to be more than 4k and I don't like the sound of that.
Lol... Kirk is going to take away your Google privileges

T. Perinne

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I hope not. You can find amazing things on the WWW, if you spend the time to look

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Whew, I'm safe. Just looked at the TVA site and the new pages are up this morning.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

http://www.tvauthority.com/DLP-TV-HD...-HL-R6168W.asp Yea they only got the 6168w model. But at a good price for 61". Thats even better cause TVA has it about 1000 less than the first post on this thread. Not bad....Not gimme my HLR5078w please

Seems that the HLR6168w is only at 5000:1 ratio, 1 HDMI input and is slightly wider than whats on the first page too. I was hoping that these 1080p sets would have 2 HDMI inputs.

Does anyone know how hard it will be to get one of these tvs or are they are back order for a while? I would hate to see a 7/1 stock date and not be able to get it until the fall or something.

If I'm not allowed to post websites like this, please let me know. I can't remember if we can from sites that are sponsers.

subwoofer

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I do not think we should take TVAs specs as gospel yet because they do not even have any firewire ports listed besides the 1080P HLR5688W has two HDMI inputs listed in its manual (see link on page 83 of thread) TVA is probably just placing what they absolutely know for certain about the new HLR6168W on their site.

Jon_W

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

subwoofer, I think that price on the TVA page is incorrect (it also says now available - which it isn't). Don't forget the list is 4499 and the price on the TVA page would be rather amazing. I don't think we will know the exact price that TVA will have until they announce a powerbuy here.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Dammit.............they got my hopes up. Well then I would expect it to be around 4000 to 4200

subwoofer

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

sub, you might want to compare the list prices with what TVA is selling the new 720 HLR sets for and then go from there. I think your estimated is close, but might include an extended warranty. Also depending on how many sets are sold as part of the powerbuy, there can be an additional discount.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Good point. Cause here is how I add things up:

$3000-3250 -> DLP
$250-300 > warrenty
$200-300 > DVD player
$200-300 > stand
$100 > power strip

So I'm looking at around 4000 at the most for my HDTV system.

subwoofer

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I have talked to both Cambryn and Kirk at TVA. While I don't think they are "just blowing in the wind", I don't think they know any more than we do (in fact I think the information at the top of the thread is the most comprehensive product listing available - it wouldn't surprise me if Samsung is using it to keep track of things ). I invited TVA to monitor/participate in this thread and add any additional information they might have. They said they would.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Thanks for the information - I'm a looking to get a DLP and have a limited hole in the wall to put one in.

The HLP4674 will fit (although if they made a 50" version of this it would be ideal for the wall opening I have).

In looking at the information from CES, I've seen some indicate that the xx78 series is the replacement for the 74 series, however the photos of the 78 series don't appear to show a thin bezel (a 50" without the thin bezel will likely not fit unless it's not as tall as the 5063).

Will the 78 series have the ultra thin bezel like the 74 series or the normal bezel like the 63 series?

Thanks

lollygagger44

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by lollygagger44
Will the 78 series have the ultra thin bezel like the 74 series or the normal bezel like the 63 series?
There will be no more thin bezel sets. The 74 Series was the last of its kind. You can see the photos of the 78 Series on the first post in this thread.

Strator

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I am SO thankful that the new Samsung models all have a thick black border (like the present HLPxx63's). I think it sets the picture off much better than the 'thin bezel' and other framings.

millerwill

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by Administrator
The current HD3 chip in the 63 Series (which is 720p) wobbles.
So does that mean it creates 720p by wobbling a 1280X360 mirror chip in the same way that 1080p is created by wobbling a 1920X540 mirror chip?

CSonntag

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I thought the HD3 chip is a 640x720 chip that wobbles to create the 1280.

jensph

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by CSonntag
So does that mean it creates 720p by wobbling a 1280X360 mirror chip in the same way that 1080p is created by wobbling a 1920X540 mirror chip?
The HD3 uses a 640x720 mirror, and the xHD3 uses a 960x1080 mirror. It just depends how you want to count.

Even though TI and Samsung are not talking about the chips, if you see a set with the "Smooth Vision" feature, you know that its a wobbler.

Low Roller

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

There is a great thread in the archives started by MrWiggles that talks at length about wobulation. If you have the courage to wobulate your brain here is the link: xHD3 vs real 1080p: Strengths and Limitations (w/pics)

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by millerwill
I just saw that TVA has the HLR6168 on their product list (due out June 1), and they say it has the xHD3 chip. Are they just blowing in the wind, or do you suppose they know something? (I agree with all the above discusiion in this thread, i.e., that the specs that have been talked about strongly suggest that the chiip in the xx68's and xx78's is a later generation than the xHD3.)
Thanks millerwill ... I have noted their reference to the xHD3. If TVauthority is monitoring this thread, I'd like to ask that they go back and check their CES notes and make sure that the xHD3 is not associated with the first released 1080p product, the HLR5688, which they haven't listed yet on their site.

I still find it hard to believe that a company that put out the first xHD3, the HD3, and the HD2+ last year can only manage to put out a HD4 this year. But, the reference is noted and we will need more data before we step back from the xHD4 on our spec page.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by Low Roller
The HD3 uses a 640x720 mirror, and the xHD3 uses a 960x1080 mirror. It just depends how you want to count.

Even though TI and Samsung are not talking about the chips, if you see a set with the "Smooth Vision" feature, you know that its a wobbler.
Methinks I need to go to remedial chip school...

CSonntag

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Just something for everyone to think about ... I don't think that Samsung will produce both 67" and 70" 78 series. I really think it is going to be one or the other. Probably the 70". I don't have anything to base that on except that there wasn't a 67" 78 series at CES and I can't imagine retailers stocking (or using floor space to display) both or customers trying to decide to step up 3" after they have gone to 67".

I'm thinking of changing text to read OR between these units. Any thoughts?

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I agree. In addition, Samsung made a big point out of the 67" DLP being the "World's First And Largest 1080P DLP?". One wouldn't think they were going to one-up themselves anytime real soon. But then who knows?

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

*sighs* I hate to say it but you're probably right.

On the plus side the 61" *IS* cheaper (which is GOOD!!) and 60" - 70" is a big enough difference that I won't cry at night. 61-67 would've drive me batty

- D

Daphoid

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Also you won't have to sit so far away from it Think of it as the intimate 60 incher

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

The 7078 (and 5078) had no apparent counterpart in the 68 series, and the 6768 had no apparent counterpart in the 78 series. If I were to guess which is more likely to make production, my vote would be for the 6768 (although the man in me wants them to release the 70" badly...).

TetsujinWave

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Has anyone heard if the CableCard tuner is a single or dual tuner model? I'm just wondering if this would give us PIP capabilities.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I certainly agree with the above thoughts about the 6768 and 7078 being the units that will be offered. After all, that is what was shown at the CES.

millerwill

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

One thing that I would really like to know is will the new 1080p models fit in cabinet with a width of less than 49.5 or 50 inches.

I have to modify my cabinet and can probably squeeze that much out.

I am just wondering how big a difference the 1080P VS the 720P in terms of PQ mostly I watch Sports and movies and PS2. Is the 1080P really that much better particularly at 50 or 46 inches . Will the 1080 extend the obsolescence factor Vs 760P.

Will the new 760 chips be that much better the 74 models?

I am novice as far as the technology goes I thought the PQ hlp 5085 looks great to me but is too wide.

I appreciate any advice you have to offer.

Thanks

BJPJJS


I appreciate any guidance I can get on these points.

bjpjjs

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by bjpjjs
One thing that I would really like to know is will the new 1080p models fit in cabinet with a width of less than 49.5 or 50 inches.

The current HLP5063 is 46.54" wide so any 50" set with a bezel should be close to that width.

Is the 1080P really that much better particularly at 50 or 46 inches.

As one who has not seen a 1080p set under 82" I will predict that the high resolution will make a bigger difference as the screen gets bigger. You might have to wait a very long time for a 46" 1080p. I didn't read anything about 46" sets at CES. If there is a 50" set, and there might be, then it will still be up to you and how you value the price/performance ratio between 720p and 1080p.

If you are looking for a bigger screen at the same distance from your chair then the 1080p sets should make a big difference.

Will the new 760 chips be that much better the 74 models?

What is a "760" chip? Do you mean an improved Wobble chip -- HD4? Again, it will probably be a matter of personal choice. Some like the "74" model sets better than the HD3 chip "wobble 63" models. Others don't or at least not enough to pay the difference in price.

I am novice as far as the technology goes I thought the PQ hlp 5085 looks great to me but is too wide.

So did a lot of people.

Wait and see or go for the spring bargains -- that's the tough choice.

htwaits

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I have added a link in the spec's area under 'TV Guide program guide' to Gemstars TV Guide Plus+ Gold DEMO. It gives you an idea of what the FREE electronic program guide will be like.

For Comcast Motorola 6412 HD DVR users, I believe it will be very similar to the TV Guide, iGuide, currently on our Comcast Motorola 6412 HD DVR's.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I've clarified the description of AnyNet in each spec's area.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I've deleted the HLR6778W. We have not found enough evidence of it's existence. This leaves us with 50", 56", 61", and 70" 78 series units.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I've added measurements for the current HLPxx63W series units to the specs. These are probably a good approximation to the final measurements and will help people answer basic sizing questions.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I noticed when entering the 63 series measurements in the 720p 67 series area, that it appears that Samsung MAY have shaved another 1" to 1.25" off of the depth of those units.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I've added the following new issue to the open issues list:

10. Is the CableCard tuner a dual tuner model? Is it capable of PIP? Is the CableCard Tuner a second generation model capable of two way communications to support services like VOD (video on demand)?

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Here is where our open issues stand right now.

========================

1. What is the PQ on the new 1080p models?

2. What TI DLP chips are used in the new models?

3. What are the DEPTH measurements, dimensions, and weight on the new series 68/78 models by model number? Even a couple of reference points would allow us to see the trend.

4. Will a IEEE1394 input/output be offered on the 67 or 87 series units?

5. What is the contrast ratio specís for the HLR5087W 720p pedestal model? If they had one on display, did anyone notice if the pixel pattern was HD2+ or newer HD4 pattern?

6. Given the increased video processing demands of 1080p, what is the capability of the 68/78/88 series 1080p sets to handle computer/video gaming? Specifically, what is lag?

7. What computer resolutions are supported on the 68, 78, and 88 series sets (1920x1080?)? How would this work through the HDMI connection (via DVI - HDMI cable?) Specifically, does it support 1920x1080. Since we THINK that we have confirmed that the 68, 78, and 88 will have VGA/PC input, what resolutions will be supported via this input?

8. Given the increased video processing required in the 1080p units 68, 78, 88 Series), what steps has Samsung taken to insure that we don't see lip sync issues? Did anyone ask specifically about this concern?

9. What, if any, are the speaker and audio (power output, sound processing) differences between the 68 and 78 series?

10. Is the CableCard tuner a dual tuner model? Is it capable of PIP? Is the CableCard Tuner a second generation model capable of two way communications to support services like VOD (video on demand)?

11. What is the MSRP for the 78 series units?

12. TOP PRIORITY QUESTION: Can anyone confirm that the 78 series (HLRxx78W) 50" and 70" models are real production models?

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Administrator ... I sure hope that Steve P. will answer your email and clarify the status of the 50" and 70" 78 series!!! With that data, I would feel pretty good about the detailed profile that we have developed on these new Samsungs.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Bill,

great job on all of this. I recently registered, but I've been a long time reader of the forums (at least 2 years), and you've done a great job at continuing what makes AVS Forum a great place for information on home theater wares.

I too am very curious about the 50" set in the 78 series. This seems like it's exactly what I'm looking for.

If we do find out that this model will be in production, I think many of us can agree that the next logical question is, "When are we going to start a powerbuy for it?"

Clorox

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Welcome aboard Clorox and thanks. Resolving the status of the 50" and 70" is our top priority right now and we are really dependent on Samsung to do that ... hopefully we will hear soon. After the release of the 67" screen size, 70" seems like icing on the cake. But, the 50" seems like a critical screen size.

UCSB

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

The 68 and 78 series look very attractive to me, is it certain they have 1394/firewire as well as HDMI?

uzun

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I guess the 1080P will be the Cinema Smooth, Gen-6 1080P Light engine?Since it's supposed to be using a generation 6 light engine.

aaronwt

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Just finished setting up my HLR4667 - I wanted to connect the audio out to my older Yamaha (no digital inputs) pro logic reciever, but I discovered that the audio out only works with RF or composite inputs!

My question is, if I get a newer receiver with optical digital inputs, will the optical audio out from the tv be live for ALL sources? (digital and analog)

sh05947

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by pismobeach
The chip is Cinema Smooth, Gen-5 720p Light Engine, which is referred to on this board as HD4. It might be less confusing to refer to it as Gen 5, but it's just a play on words I guess.
Just so you completely understand what is going on. The Cinema Smooth, Gen-5 720 Light Engine encompasses much more than just the TI chip. TI supplies the DMD (digital micro-mirror device) which is the chip that has the mirrors on it which reflect the light in the correct patterns. The nomenclature that TI is currently using is a diagonal measurement followed by the vertical resolution. Thus in the HLRxx67 a .55" 720P chip is used (in the literature from Samsung they are using .55" DMD). This is what in this thread, we have been calling the HD4 (following the old TI nomenclature).

As far as the light engine goes, it includes the light source, the color wheel, a whole bunch of optics and the actual DMD chip. The quality and intensity of the bulb, the quality of the optics and the type and arrangement of the color wheel all affect what you see on the screen. In addition all of these things affect the CR.

I hope this makes things a bit clearer for you.

PS, for anyone who might be wondering, it is likely that the chip we have been calling the xHD4, will be called .85" 1080P.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Though not said directly in Schaffer970's response, it's important to realize that no other manufacturer will call the same TI chip the "The Cinema Smooth, Gen-5 720 Light Engine." This is Samsung's exclusive nomenclature. Not every manufacturer is up to their Gen 5 light engine

donb1948

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by donb1948
Though not said directly in Schaffer970's response, it's important to realize that no other manufacturer will call the same TI chip the "The Cinema Smooth, Gen-5 720 Light Engine." This is Samsung's exclusive nomenclature. Not every manufacturer is up to their Gen 5 light engine
From an article I just read, "Cinema Smooth" is TI's nomenclature...you are probably right about the Gen-5... aspect.

BenDover

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Long-time reader, semi-frequent poster, and HDTV noob here...

Do OTA HDTV broadcasts have 5.1 sound? If so, how do I pipe this to my audio receiver's toslink or rf coax input? The HLR sets have a digital output, but does it output 5.1 received and decoded from the external antenna input? The manual doesn't say. I'd previuosly assumed the digital out was just passing 5.1 that had been input through the hdmi port.

shanec

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by DLPDAVE

I got the go ahead (from my warden-- I mean wife) to purchase a set about a week ago, and after about 1 1/2 to 2yrs of drooling. I purchased the HLR 5067W with confidence knowing that I had made a great decision that I will be more than happy with for along time.
Dlpdave,

When you take ownership of this TV, can you drop a post in the HLRxx67 owner's thread and post your impressions. We'd all really appreciate it

tanzbodeli

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by AkaStp
Are you returning the Panny 50" DLP (if so, why?) or supplementing it with the HLR5067?
I'm not sure yet which one I'm keeping and which one I'm sending back, but I suspect it'll be the 5067 that stays and the Panny which goes.

In my opinion my Panny looks great and overall I am very happy with the PQ; the problem is I am having a keystone problem in 4:3 mode, the top of the picture is 31.5" wide, the bottom is 32" wide, and the whole thing is slightly off-center. I called Panasonic and they said is was an internal mechanical adjustment, but when the service tech came out and saw it he said the Panny rep must have misunderstood me and thought I was talking about tilt, because there apparently is no mechanical adjustment for keystone. His diagnosis was a bad DMD, requiring replacement and approx 8 days shop time. His advice...buy a Samsung. My wife, who really wanted the HLP5063 because the speakers were under the screen, was all over this...and here we are

Once I get the 5067, I intend to set both DLPs side by side and compare them with the same source, apples to apples if you will. If I like the Sammy better I'm keeping it, if I feel the Panny has an edge in PQ then I'll get it fixed and keep it. My guess is that the 5067 will win, guess we'll find out soon enough.

jcs67stang

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

RE: alternative to traditional television stands

Hi -- I've been following this board from the start. Great resource! Thanks everyone

There has been some past discussion on finding decent stands for the new Samsungs. My hlr4667 arrives from TVA tomorrow and I think I have come upon a stand solution for the 46 size sets that is a great alternative to the metal/glass solutions available from Samsung and others. Pottery Barn sells a small coffee table (44x23.5x19) that is a perfect fit for the 46 inch DLP. It also has an open shelf below large enough to accomodate a DVD player, etc. Finally, the piece looks nice and gets high marks on the SAF. (spouse approval factor) The table is in the Stinson collection. I bought one yesterday and I think it looks great. btw-- the table is only 19" high. perfect elevation for the 46" set

jhasl

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by BenDover
From an article I just read, "Cinema Smooth" is TI's nomenclature...you are probably right about the Gen-5... aspect.
Actually I believe "Cinema Smooth" is a Samsung TM (although it is not entirely clear)

Here are the TI TM items and what they mean:

SharpPicture™: Processing enhancement that works in conjunction with SmoothPicture™ technology to simultaneously provide sharp, yet smooth and seamless images.
DynamicColor™: Enhances colors and contrast without impacting skin tones, allowing for more vibrant and lifelike color reproduction.
DynamicBlack™: System level solution which provides dramatic increases in system contrast ratio and grayscale fidelity by as much as 4x, bringing greater detail to dark scenes and images and allowing customers to achieve contrast ratios well above 5000:1.
DarkChip3™: Feature that includes architectural changes to the DLP chip resulting in a 20 - 40% improvement in contrast over DarkChip2™.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by schaffer970
Actually I believe "Cinema Smooth" is a Samsung TM ...
Yep, Per Samsung literature (i.e., it's Samsung's, not TI's):

Samsungís Cinema Smooth? Film Mode 3:2
Pull Down correction circuitry senses motion found
in unconverted 480i DVD video based on 24 fps film
productions. Especially important when converting to
a progressive video image, the result is an elimination
of visible motion artifacts. This feature is by-passed on
480P, 720P and 1080i inputs.

Added in edit: I just noticed something kinda weird. Samsung has the acronym "DLP" trademarked (i.e., TM'd), as in "DLP (TM) TV"?

donb1948

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

I looked again this morning at Sears, BB, CC and Tweeter to lay my eyes on a Samsung HL-R5067W with no success. Sears had this TV in their Sunday ad on May 1, but it was a no show. BB and CC say I dunno. Tweeter had 30 each 46" HL-R models in their warehouse, but none on display. Salesman's guess was they were waiting til the older models were sold out. No luck yet. WolfpackRon.

wolfpackron

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Best Buy in Marlborough, MA had the HLR5067 on display today. I think I have the number right. It was the floating screen 720p wobulated display. It looked pretty good.

Shape

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Thanks, Shape,
I will keep my eyes open. They should be available any time. WolfpackRon.

wolfpackron

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by donb1948
Added in edit: I just noticed something kinda weird. Samsung has the acronym "DLP" trademarked (i.e., TM'd), as in "DLP (TM) TV"?
If you look further, somewhere it will say that DLP is a TI trademark. The reason I left the "Cinema Smooth" as unclear, was because it is tied into the 3:2 Genesis pull-down. When I looked at the Genesis site they don't have anything about Cinema Smooth, so I think it is a Samsung TM.

Much ado about nothing

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by schaffer970
Much ado about nothing
I thought that's why we were all here....

This little exchange just brought back memories of discussions I've had with my former employer's trademark lawyers. One point they were constantly driving home was to ensure we properly recognized other folks trademarks by using the appropriate symbols. Using the TM on "DLP" makes sense. As for Cinema Smooth, Samsung's use of the possessive case makes me believe it's theirs.

As noted in Schaffer970's last post, I would think that the 3:2 pull down technology would be part of the Genesis subsystem and not a Samsung add-on. However, in an earlier thread in the video processor section, those noted that video processor chip makers will sometimes license the chip and design without the software, leaving it to the licensee to develop or otherwise procure the drivers.

As eloquently previously noted: Much ado about nothing.

donb1948

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Does anyone know if you can use the speakers in the HLR5067W as the Center Channel speaker of a Harmon Kardon Receiver.

asaint22

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

From www.twice.com - Interesting reading!

Samsung Introduces 1,080p DLP Models

By Greg Tarr -- TWICE, 5/9/2005


New York ó Samsung revealed it will ship in June its long-awaited 1,080p DLP rear-projection HDTV sets to complement a full line of 720p offerings, during press briefings at the Home Entertainment Show, here.

The 1080p DLP sets, which were slated to ship back in November, will expand a growing line of DLP rear-projection HDTV offerings for 2005. All models this year will integrate ATSC tuning and most also add digital CableCARD slots. The overall line will feature two basic classes of products for mainstream and A/V specialty accounts.

The 720p models in Samsung's 67 series will include the 42W-inch ($2,499 suggested retail price), 46W-inch ($2,699), 50W-inch ($2,999), 56W-inch (3,299) and 61W-inch ($3,699) screen sizes. The 68 series, for specialty distribution, will include 1,080p models in the 50W-inch ($4,000), 56W-inch ($4,499), 61W-inch (4,799), 67W-inch ($6,199) and 71W-inch (due in late summer at a $6,799) screen sizes.

Most step-up models will also include TV Guide On Screen interactive program guides and IEEE-1394 with DTCP inputs. Additionally, many step-up models will feature improved light engines with better contrast performance and will add a second HDMI/HDCP input.

Samsung expects about 70 percent of its DLP business to come from the 720p models, said Steve Panosian, Samsung's DLP marketing director.

A key screen size for Samsung this year will be its entry 720p 42W-inch model, which features a slim-design cabinet that will fit many existing armoires. Additionally, the set will be priced to keep a step ahead of plasma panels.

?We expect the street price for the 42W-inch model to hit around $2,300, and, with various promotions by the end of the year, we think the street price will be well below $1,999. That's key for getting the next tier of consumers who are looking at $1,500 and just need one more reason to jump up to $2,000.?

Meanwhile, Samsung will distribute its DLP design lines by class of trade. For example, models with a pedestal base design and all 67 series DLP models will be open to national distribution this year, including national and regional A/V retail chains, TV appliance chains and distributors.

Models in the 68 design series will be directed at Best Buy, select TV appliance chains and AVAD distributing.

Samsung will also offer a 78 series of 1,080p models with a different cosmetic style in the 50W-inch ($4,000), 56W-inch ($4,499), 61W-inch ($4,799), and 71W-inch ($6,799) screen sizes. These will be offered to AVB and Pro Group dealers and select A/V specialty dealers.

Derivative DLP models featuring 2004 styling cosmetics will be offered in a 56 series for mass merchants and warehouse clubs. This series will include 50W-inch and 56W-inch models, and possibly a 61W-inch model later in the year. These models have ATSC tuning but omit CableCARD slots.

Jim Sanduski, Samsung's visual media products marketing VP, said that because other manufacturers have recently dropped out of the HDTV CRT rear-projection television business, Samsung has decided again to add CRT-based rear-projection models to its national distribution program.

Sanduski said Samsung will offer two models in the 43W-inch ($1,200 suggested retail) and 47W-inch ($1,300) screen sizes, while reserving a 52W-inch model for ?sheltered distribution.? The sets are slated to ship in May.

All three models will incorporate ATSC tuning but will not add digital CableCARD slots.

In digital direct view, Samsung will continue to carry only fully integrated ATSC models (without CableCARD capability), and will introduce in May its first SlimFit direct-view model offering a 30W-inch screen size ($999 suggested retail). The unit features a slimmed down cabinet with a reduced footprint.

In the third quarter, Samsung will ship a 26W-inch SlimFit unit, followed by a 27-inch 4:3 version in the fourth quarter.

All plasma models this year feature built-in ATSC tuners and CableCARD slots. Screen sizes include a 42W-inch EDTV model, a 42W-inch HD model and a 50W-inch HD model. Later in the year, the company will add a 63W-inch model and an 80W-inch 1080p set.

In LCD, Samsung is carrying models in 15-inch, 17-inch and 20-inch 4:3 screen sizes with EDTV resolution. HD models also will be offered in 23W inches, 26W inches, 32W inches, 40W inches, 46W inches and 57W inches.

schaffer970

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

If you check the CC web site today, you will see the HLR4266W for a lot less then mentioned in the press release.

Dick

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by schaffer970
If you look further, somewhere it will say that DLP is a TI trademark. The reason I left the "Cinema Smooth" as unclear, was because it is tied into the 3:2 Genesis pull-down. When I looked at the Genesis site they don't have anything about Cinema Smooth, so I think it is a Samsung TM.

Much ado about nothing
actually, samsung filed for the trademark on cinemasmooth in april of 2005; you can search the uspto's records here:

www.uspto.gov

BenDover

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

^wow, that is huge news about the xx68 and xx78 series. Glad they will have them in 50" models and will be shipping in June. This gives me another reason to wait and see. Plus at only $1000 more, thats not so bad

subwoofer

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Quote:
Originally posted by Dick
If you check the CC web site today, you will see the HLR4266W for a lot less then mentioned in the press release.
Not sure what you mean. The release states:
Quote:
A key screen size for Samsung this year will be its entry 720p 42W-inch model, which features a slim-design cabinet that will fit many existing armoires. Additionally, the set will be priced to keep a step ahead of plasma panels. ?We expect the street price for the 42W-inch model to hit around $2,300, and, with various promotions by the end of the year, we think the street price will be well below $1,999. ?
The CC special is in line with this.

kjongsma

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

The TI trademarked name for their 720p smooth picture chips is "SmoothPicture." Which was mentioned back in schaffer970's post.

Here's one of many references:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1433482,00.asp

Samsung simply changed it to "Cinema Smooth" in their implementation.

Tom_Bombadil

Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion

Just called 1-800-Samsung to get information on the HLR6768 and they told me it has been canceled indefinitely...called back and was told the same thing from a different rep...anybody else heard about this...anybody have any Samsung contacts.

jwv651

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