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Question Orlando, FL - OTA ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Updated: 2008-05-30 06:31:31 (1507)
Orlando, FL - OTA

Welcome to the new Central Florida Summer 2004 OTA & Satellite thread !

With the Central Florida Thread being mostly concerned with BHN issues, it seemed best to split off the OTA and Satellite postings to a separate thread so they don't get buried among the BHN postings.

Orlando station's emails:
WESH: Richard.Monn@Hearst.com
WKCF: addalia@wb18.com
WFTV/WRDQ: john.demshock@wftv.com
WKMG: Frank Torbert techquestions@local6.com or Frank Z webchannel@wkmg.com
WCEU: SCHWARB@dbcc.edu
WOFL/WRBW: Unlisted
WMFE: mike_simmons@wmfe.pbs.org
WOPX: Unknown
WBCC: padgetta@brevardcc.edu
WVEN/WOTF: aguernica@entravision.com (GM)

For more info about HD and DTV reception visit the following sites:

www.orlandodigital.tv has more information on HD programming availability, HD news, links to equipment manufacturers, weekly HDTV listings and links to earlier Central Florida AVS threads. Sign up @ the website to get notifications for Central Florida HD Society events.

www.antennaweb.org has information you might find helpful for setting up your OTA antenna and recommendations on antenna requirements.

Be sure to check out the AVS forum's (AVS HDTV Forum) programming, hardware and recording threads.

Help for troubleshooting reception problems can be found at www.orlandodigital.tv/faq7.htm

Answers: Orlando, FL - OTA ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Orlando, FL - OTA

hey I just have a quick question, may sound dumb to some but I am really new to HD and know nothing about "off air".

I have a Sony Grand Wega with no HD tuner.... I currently subscribe to Adelphia and have an HD cable box, but Adelphia doesnt offer ABC HD in my area and considering that im missing all BCS bowl games, Monday Night Football, and SuperBowl XL after spending $2000 I am a bit angered... so to my question

Is there anyway I can use an antenna to get "off air" HD channels even though my tv has no internal tuner? like i guess hook it up through my cable box somehow? or buy a tuner

Xtremeknight

Orlando, FL - OTA

Nope, you'll need to buy a tuner. There's a nice samsung one at CC I think I've seen on sale for like $99 recently.

bgall

Orlando, FL - OTA

THere is also an RCA one on eBay for about $60. Works pretty good.

tradewinds

Orlando, FL - OTA

WTH is up with WESH? Last week Surface wasn't in HD and now this week it's Las Vegas. Are they boycotting HiDef on primetime Mondays or what?

jason_j_a

Orlando, FL - OTA

It's the NBC Network sending the shows in SD. Head over to the HD Programminf forum and you'll see everyone talking about it, no one has it in HD

bgall

Orlando, FL - OTA

I can't get WESH at all after Sunday.

tradewinds

Orlando, FL - OTA

WESH is the lowest power of the bunch, you need a stronger antenna
I get it at 90% downtown Orlando with wingard SS

FL Surfer

Orlando, FL - OTA

I get WEST at 20% in Clermont. They gotta change to UHF

tradewinds

Orlando, FL - OTA

I just ordered my HD Tivo from DirecTV and skipped the OTA antenna from them. I live in Oviedo and wonder if anyone else in Oviedo can recommend an antenna. I have been looking at the Square Shooter but wonder if it is overkill?

Michael

stroh

Orlando, FL - OTA

stroh,
I recently picked up the directv tivo and my reception with an indoor silver sensor has been excellent. Before i bought the tivo it was going thru a cheapie stb for my locals and i would get decent reception but had several audio dropouts during a normal prime time show. It might be worth a try at least unless you have something blocking you from Bithlo. I'm aiming my antenna from Titusville. For some reason the lower i set the antenna the better reception i got. Anyways might be an easier and cheaper solution till directv locals are out. (Early next year i hear from most forum talk). Good luck

wegan

Orlando, FL - OTA

UHF has alternating bands of good and bad signals thus the reason you get better reception when set lower. (but go too low then it gets worst, but go higher and you may be in a good band, higher than that again a bad band....etc.)

tradewinds

Orlando, FL - OTA

The HR10-250 is installed and working fine. I bought an indoor UHF/VHF/FM antenna at Radio Shack that I was told would work for all the stations from the Oviedo area. I went into the setup and adjusted the position until I got high 70's on all the local stations. When I went to actually watch the stations I see a lot of audio skipping and video distortions (I think it is called blocking?) One thing that I thought was odd was that the best signal readings were with the antenna pointing west instead of toward Bithlo to the southeast.

I have tried adjusting the gain from off to full on, pointed the antenna in all different directions. Put it on the floor, on top of the TV, up near the ceiling.

I guess the next step is to return the antenna and get an outdoor antenna or is there something else I can try.

stroh

Orlando, FL - OTA

stroh, was the RS antenna amplified? Plugged into a wall outlet? I live in Titusville. a block from US-1, and could get fair, but sometimes blocky reception from just plain rabbit ears, but when I got a phillips amplified at walmart, one of those weird looking spaceship wedges, I have not had any problems at all. I have it in the attic on a 2 story house with 2 dtv tuners & 2 vcrs hooked to it . I'm a happy boy! ( although. I would like another tuner/recorder in the garage...the 'cigar room'.)

svgodchild

Orlando, FL - OTA

Yes, it is amplified. I tried it turned off and various levels of gain until maximum. Maximum seems to work best but still not good enough.

If it matters my home is relatively new and has block walls covered with stucco and metal studs. The living room is on the northwest corner of the home so the opposite side from the antenna farm.

stroh

Orlando, FL - OTA

stroh, All those metal studs might be forming a sort-of Faraday cage and limiting reception. If it is a fairly new house, was it prewired for cable? You could try positioning the antenna in the room closest to the 'farm' and see if that helps. The attic would be optimal, if you had an outlet or even a light up there to plug the amp in.

svgodchild

Orlando, FL - OTA

Stroh,

I also live in Oviedo and gave up on OTA. I think I live too close. I could adjust the antenna to pick up some of the stations but could not get a good signal on all of them at any one time. The signal got worse at night.

I finally gave up and went with cable.

Good luck

Don

wdcoy

Orlando, FL - OTA

I ordered a Winegard Square Shooter. I'll post the results after it arrives. Any installation tips to keep in mind?

stroh

Orlando, FL - OTA

wdcoy,

i live in chuluota, and can see all the bithlo towers from my yard, and can receive all networks well on my HD-tivo, no overload fyi...

using $25 radio shack yagi in attic (it had to be aimed with wife manning signal meter)

do y'all know the INFO-RIGHT ARROW trick (on box, not remote) for getting quick signal strength?

corba

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by FL Surfer
WESH is the lowest power of the bunch, you need a stronger antenna
I get it at 90% downtown Orlando with wingard SS
I get it with about 97% signal, nice and clean, here in Melbourne. Using a Hughes HTL-HD DirecTV receiver, on the OTA side of it. The lowest power one over here is 6-1 with about 78% signal. Still comes in clean with no breakup. I have antenna in the attic, feeding a whole house system.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by loudo38
I get it with about 97% signal, nice and clean, here in Melbourne. Using a Hughes HTL-HD DirecTV receiver, on the OTA side of it. The lowest power one over here is 6-1 with about 78% signal. Still comes in clean with no breakup. I have antenna in the attic, feeding a whole house system.
What do you get with on 2.1 since that channel is VHF and the SS is UHF only? I have an old RS that I am thinking about replacing. Lately I have been having a terrible time with dropouts. Much worse than before. I go from having a 70 to a 0 and back to mid 60s. About 6 months back I tried the DB4 (UHF antenna). 2.1 dropped from 95 to 65. 6.1 went from 90 to 70. On the upside with the DB4, 9.1 went from low 80s to solid 92. I switched back to the RS.

I am in Rockledge with a pair of HR10-250s. Both are behaving the same way.

dengland

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by loudo38
I am actually just south of you, in Suntree. You are closer to the Orlando antenna farm than I am and should have good signals.

<SNIP>

After I set it up I was having a problem with 6-1 dropping out and pixelation. I found my 300 to 75 ohm transformer on my antenna was bad. I changed it out and the signal went way up on all channels.

Another thing that will drop your signal a little, if you are using them, are diplexers, to combine your DirecTV signal with your OTA antenna.

With the new H-20 MPG4 receivers you can't use diplexers, you will have to remove them from your system. I am sure it will be the same when they change out your current HR10-250 for the new HR20-250. The new LNBs use the same frequency as some of the UHF stations and will interfer with each other. The DirecTV LNBs and the OTA antenna will require separate coaxial cables from the antennas to the receivers.

<SNIP>
Thanks for the reply Loudo. While I was at Lowes this morning I peeked at the Channel Masters they had, but just got the sand for the pavers instead. I moved my antenna just a bit about 6:30 tonight. High winds probably moved it a little over the last couple of months. 9-1 went from a solid 71 to 85. (Solid 71 is NOT what I was getting this morning). The rest of the channels are as follows now:

2-1 95
6-1 65-68
9-1 85
15-1 85
18-1 92
24-1 85
27-1 92-95
35-1 83
56-1 71
65-1 83-88
68-1 92

Still a bit behind you with signal strenth and my antenna is outside. There are some thin trees that I am just skirting. With a little work I could go higher up on the gable and get a different angle to get further from the trees.

I had not heard about the diplexer and the LNB IFs for the mpg4 sats. That is interesting. I have seperate cables for the antenna feed, so I am good. I have so much RG6 coming through the wall behind my TV it isn't even funny. Too bad I did not plan for that! I will check the matching transformer though. Good idea.

I know what you mean about wanting to get in the attic when it is cool. I wish I would have put down some boards years ago. I always need to traverse the length of the house.

dengland

Orlando, FL - OTA

I just came across
www.antennaweb.org which has some good information on choosing an antenna. This is probably old news to some.

waters

Orlando, FL - OTA

I will be getting a 942 soon and would like an antenna recommendation.
antennaweb shows this, I am in Satellite Beach
Quote:
* yellow - uhf WOPX-DT 56.1 i MELBOURN FL 262? 32.9 48
* green - uhf WKCF-DT 18.1 WB CLERMONT FL 317? 39.5 17
* green - uhf WKMG-DT 6.1 CBS ORLANDO FL 320? 39.6 58
* green - uhf WRBW-DT 65.1 UPN ORLANDO FL 320? 39.6 41
* lt green - uhf WMFE-DT 24.1 PBS ORLANDO FL 318? 40.7 23
* red - uhf WRDQ-DT 14 IND ORLANDO FL 318? 37.4 14
* red - uhf WOFL-DT 35.1 FOX ORLANDO FL 318? 40.5 22
* red - uhf WFTV-DT 9.1 ABC ORLANDO FL 318? 37.4 39
* red - vhf WESH-DT 2.1 NBC DAYTONA BEACH FL 321? 39.6 11
* red - uhf WCEU-DT 15.1 PBS NEW SMYRNA BEACH FL 319? 40.6 33
* red - uhf WBCC-DT 30.1 PBS COCOA FL 320? 39.6 30
* red - uhf WLCB-DT 46 FMN LEESBURG FL FCC Ext 317? 39.5 46
* blue - uhf WTGL-DT 53 FMN COCOA FL TBD 317? 39.5 53
* violet - uhf WOTF-DT 43.1 TFA MELBOURNE FL 296? 20.3 20
I am more concerned with the "red" channels then anything else. I would like an antenna not real big and is preferably not an eye-sore ( you know, the wife). Oh and it would be nice if it was in the $50 range. <-- again, the wife.

-SNT

SNT

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by SNT
I will be getting a 942 soon and would like an antenna recommendation.
antennaweb shows this, I am in Satellite Beach

I am more concerned with the "red" channels then anything else. I would like an antenna not real big and is preferably not an eye-sore ( you know, the wife). Oh and it would be nice if it was in the $50 range. <-- again, the wife.

-SNT
That chart is not to accurate. It shows 2-1 as a weaker signal than 6-1 or 9-1 when actually it is a lot stronger than 6-1, the weakest signal here in Suntree. I have found that to be true in other areas of Brevard County also. I would recommend you try the Radio Shack Model: VU-90 XR, it is simular to the RS model I have and I get everything clean (see signal levels in my previous posting). Make sure you aim it toward the Orlando antenna farm, in Bithlo.

Of course I am using DirecTV HTL-HD and H10 receivers and I am not that familiar with the sensitivity of the DISH 942 receiver, which can make a difference.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

I'm using a Radio Shack 15-2185 on a rotator here in Satellite Beach. It's hooked up to a Fusion 3 HDTV card.

Pointed north towards Bithlo, it gets all the networks, and pointed south it gets the other UPN station in Ft. Pierce most of the time.

Stephen

StephenRC

Orlando, FL - OTA

I think I will try the 15-2185 first for cosmetic reasons. If it doesn't work as expected, I will give the VU-90 a shot.
Thanks guys.

-SNT

SNT

Orlando, FL - OTA

I use the VU-75 from Palm Bay and get perfect results as well.

mlbdude

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by loudo38
<SNIP>
After I set it up I was having a problem with 6-1 dropping out and pixelation. I found my 300 to 75 ohm transformer on my antenna was bad. I changed it out and the signal went way up on all channels.

Another thing that I have that helps, my OTA reception, is a distribution Amplifier. This will boost the signal when you split your TV signal to go to two or more sets.
I replaced the matching transformer and gained a percentage point or two. I tried a new direct feed straight to a single Tivo without much change. I saw a couple of weird things when I was trying to determine what the max I could squeeze out of each channel. 9-1 (39) was the strongest when pointed due west instead of towards Bithlo. I am not sure if that made some sort of multipath go away or what. I think I have decided that I want to add a distribution amp. Everything was better with a cheap 20db or so UHF/VHF amp except 9-1 (of course).

I ended up pointing to strike a balance between 6.1 and 9.1.

dengland

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by dengland
I replaced the matching transformer and gained a percentage point or two. I tried a new direct feed straight to a single Tivo without much change. I saw a couple of weird things when I was trying to determine what the max I could squeeze out of each channel. 9-1 (39) was the strongest when pointed due west instead of towards Bithlo. I am not sure if that made some sort of multipath go away or what. I think I have decided that I want to add a distribution amp. Everything was better with a cheap 20db or so UHF/VHF amp except 9-1 (of course).

I ended up pointing to strike a balance between 6.1 and 9.1.
That is strange, as far as the aiming. The two towers are only 2 degrees different from my place. Your signal must be bouncing off something. Sometimes if your antenna is in the attic and get to close to the metal covered air conditioning ducts, it will mess up your signal.

I am using a distribution amplifier I bought from Lowe's, and it works pretty good, and has 4 outputs.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by loudo38
That is strange, as far as the aiming. The two towers are only 2 degrees different from my place. Your signal must be bouncing off something. Sometimes if your antenna is in the attic and get to close to the metal covered air conditioning ducts, it will mess up your signal.

I am using a distribution amplifier I bought from Lowe's, and it works pretty good, and has 4 outputs.
I ordered the CM 3044 distribution amp and CM 7777 pre-amp yesterday. Lowes had the 3044, but wanted too much ($40) for it. The single output 3042 was reasonable at Lowes at $22.50. I was really on the fence about 7777. Since I was doing mail order, it was too easy to add it to my cart.

I took a look at all of the analog channels on another TV. 9 analog was the best. 18 looked solid. 35 looked a little worse. I saw ghosting on 43 even with the weak signal. That is sort of close to 39 (AKA 9.x). I am thinking the CM 7777 probably won't hurt. If I need to, I could add an attenuator if I get in an overload situation.

My antenna is close to the roof line at the back edge of the VHF section. Back when I had a C-Band dish, channels 6/9/18/35 did not get any better with another section of pole in place, so I left it low. It does make it easy to access the antenna though. Everything is a trade off. Over the weekend I was unable to easily change the elevation to see if that made a difference in 9.1. My pole sections have grown accustom to being together. I am tempted to buy this:

30' Channel Master Telescoping Mast

That would let me try varying the elevation. If the DA gets here before the weekend, I will get that installed. I may need a parka to install the 7777 if the WX guys are right over the weekend.

dengland

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by dengland
I took a look at all of the analog channels on another TV. 9 analog was the best. 18 looked solid. 35 looked a little worse. I saw ghosting on 43 even with the weak signal. That is sort of close to 39 (AKA 9.x). I am thinking the CM 7777 probably won't hurt. If I need to, I could add an attenuator if I get in an overload situation..
Only a couple of my analog signals are clean, but all my digitals are strong. Hard to believe you are having to go through all that when I am further away from the antennas than you and all I needed was a distribution amp. Guess it is just a signal problem with your location. Hope you can get it good with those amps.


Quote:
30' Channel Master Telescoping Mast

That would let me try varying the elevation. If the DA gets here before the weekend, I will get that installed. I may need a parka to install the 7777 if the WX guys are right over the weekend.
I am waiting for it to cool down later this week to climb into the attic and rewire my antenna system and get rid of the diplexers. Getting the system ready for the MPG4 conversion, when they get to us. Looks like this weekend will be cooler.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

well i just moved to orlando i have a new sony lcd
with built in tuner and am very close to the towers for ota
about 14 miles or so i believe. right now i am able to pick up
all off the digital and hd channels. i am using a long piece of rg-6 stripped
down to bare wire this is temporary to watch game tonight, i know my wife ain't gonna like that so does any1 know what would be a good cheap indoor ant solution
thanks

teknikal

Orlando, FL - OTA

teknikal,

I'm about 15 mi away and use a zenith silver sensor and receive everything without any glitches. Internet sells them around $15-20 dollars or local stores might have it for a little more. Sears, CC sometimes carry them. I switched from a more expensive radio shack antenna to this and love it. Works great for me, worth a try. good luck.

wegan

Orlando, FL - OTA

thanks i will look into that
maybe there is one around town

teknikal

Orlando, FL - OTA

On Friday the CM 3044 distribution amp and 7777 showed up. I took the RS amp out if the circuit and installed the CM. The distribution amp worked great. Nothing got worse and a couple of things got better. Analogs got a little better too. 9-1 still was bouncing all around 77--> 0. On Saturday I tried to add the 7777. It made everything considerably worse. Obviously, I was overdriving everything. When I pulled the distribution amp out of the circuit and only had the 7777 in the circuit, my reading were slightly worse than just the distribution amp. I removed the 7777 and put the DA back in. I still had one section (4ft?) of RS antenna mast in the garage so I gave that a try. That made all the difference on 9-1. It jumped to a solid 95. Here is where I ended up with the all the channels.

Code:
Freq	Chan	Reading
11	2-1	93
14	27-1	95
17	18-1	95
22	35-1	92
23	24-1	91
30	68-1	95
33	15-1	92
39	9-1	95
41	65-1	88
48	56-1	All over, mostly <25
58	6-1	92
I did not spend any time trying to tweak the pointing to see if I could squeeze any more out of it. The HR10-250 has never shown anything >95 on any OTA channel. SAT readings do go higher. Has anyone ever seen >95? I will be interested to see how stable things stay. I still may go and get the 30' Channel Master Telescoping Mast to make servicing the antenna easier. Thanks for the help and inspiration Loudo.



Anyone local need a Channel Master 7777 preamp?

dengland

Orlando, FL - OTA

I found this forum and thread a couple of weeks ago - a great resource. I got my first HD DTV this week, a Samsung DLP HL-R5078W and am totally smitten with PQ, features, etc. I receive local channels OTA with an attic-mounted, amplified antenna from RS I installed ~7 years ago when the house was built (don't remember the model, but it's not a yagi).and am located only ~15 mi away from the Bithlo antenna farm in Winter Springs. I was pleased to find that I receive all the local digitals with excellent signal strength (>/= 90%) with no changes to the antenna.

My quesition is about WKCF, ch 18. I receive digital "ch 18" on 17-3 on the set. I see recent references to 18-1 in this thread. Is 17-3 where WKCF is at present? Is this a peculiarity of my set? I also got the TVGOS program listing feature working last night for the first time (had to re-add analog PBS 24 to my channel set to receive guide data). No listing info for WKCF is received from 17-3. I re-added analog 18 to my channel set this morning and I'll see if this channel is populated in the guide over the next day or so.

Any insights for this newbie? Thanks.

jbourg

Orlando, FL - OTA

Digital stations broadcast on a different channel than their analog broadcast, can't put two signals on the same frequency. They remap the digital signal to their analog channel number for branding. Thus WKCF-DT maps to 18-1 because 18 is their analog channel which everyone knows (WB18). 18-1 is just a number and nothing to do with the channel they are physically broadcasting on. Doesn't have to be -1 nor 18, its up to the station.

rich21

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by SNT
I will be getting a 942 soon and would like an antenna recommendation.
antennaweb shows this, I am in Satellite Beach

I am more concerned with the "red" channels then anything else. I would like an antenna not real big and is preferably not an eye-sore ( you know, the wife). Oh and it would be nice if it was in the $50 range. <-- again, the wife.

-SNT

SNT:

I'm in North Waterway Estates- Just south of the Causeway. I'm using a CM StealthAntenna mounted on the mast of my Directv dish, all attached to the eve of my house. With My Directivo I am receiving ALL of the Orlando OTA. You can find this antenna at Lowes.

ToddD

Orlando, FL - OTA

Last weekend I rewired my local antenna system, getting rid of the diplexers, to make the system ready for the DirecTV MPG4 change over. My signals went up to even higher levels once the two signals were separated and run separately. On my H10 I was receiving 100% signal on 2-1, 9-1 and 27-1.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by rich21
Digital stations broadcast on a different channel than their analog broadcast, can't put two signals on the same frequency. They remap the digital signal to their analog channel number for branding. Thus WKCF-DT maps to 18-1 because 18 is their analog channel which everyone knows (WB18). 18-1 is just a number and nothing to do with the channel they are physically broadcasting on. Doesn't have to be -1 nor 18, its up to the station.
(I think... ;-)) I have a basic understanding of the of different frequencies. My real point/question is that the TV display reports "Ch 18" ("frequency assignment 17" to use terminology from the antennaweb site) as 17-3 as I surf through the channels in it's channel list. The TV is not mapping digital "Ch 18" to 18-1 in it's channel list in the same way, for example, that it maps digital "Ch 2" (frequency assignment 11) to 2-1 in the channel list. Why? I'm still missing something fundamental here...

Thanks.

jbourg

Orlando, FL - OTA

2 seems to be out here (Melbourne) all other OTA are fine.

Anybody else?

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
2 seems to be out here (Melbourne) all other OTA are fine.

Anybody else?
Got it ok here (Suntree), but 2-2 is the same program as 2-1. Weather Plus is missing from 2-2.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Can't be me. All the other OTA's are fine.

Their site is useless.

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
Can't be me. All the other OTA's are fine.

Their site is useless.
My signal level is 98%, on my receiver, for channel 2-1 & 2-2, channel 11. Just no Weather Plus on 2-2.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

I have the HD Tivo, gonna make it re-search for all th OTA channels again... see if it picks it up.


Nope, that didn't do it.

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
I have the HD Tivo, gonna make it re-search for all th OTA channels again... see if it picks it up.


Nope, that didn't do it.
I just noticed this. Channel 2 has 4 sub channels. 2-1, 2-2, 11-3 are all the NBC Network programing and Weather Plus is showing up on 11-4. Try manually entering 11-3 and 11-4 and see if you get them.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by loudo38
I just noticed this. Channel 2 has 4 sub channels. 2-1, 2-2, 11-3 are all the NBC Network programing and Weather Plus is showing up on 11-4. Try manually entering 11-3 and 11-4 and see if you get them.
11-3 and 11-4 work fine... hmm

FYI reseting the Tivo didn't work.

I recorded a show last wed (Law & Order SVU) so, I know it worked then.

Could they be low on power so it's not reaching my house. I'm a good twenty minutes from you.

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
11-3 and 11-4 work fine... hmm

FYI reseting the Tivo didn't work.

I recorded a show last wed (Law & Order SVU) so, I know it worked then.

Could they be low on power so it's not reaching my house. I'm a good twenty minutes from you.
If you are getting 11-3 & 11-4 you should be getting 2-1 & 2-2. They are all transmitted together and I believe at the same power. All 4 channels are about a 98% signal on my HTL-HD receiver.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Wonder what the possibility that my reciever is busted?

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
Wonder what the possibility that my reciever is busted?
I would let it go till tomorrow, because something is messed up in their transmission. They have always had 2-1 as the HD/Digital NBC network and 2-2 as Weather Plus. Tonight they are transmitting 2-1 to 2-4. I would leave it and check it tomorrow. Especially if all your other channels are ok.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Sounds good.

I'll check in the morning.

Thanks

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

jbourg

Can't explain why 17-3 isn't mapping to 18-1. Rescanning the channels often fixes these things. Could be a problem @ WKCF but they are pretty good about keeping on top of wait is going on with their signal. I don't have an OTA receiver any more so I can't check.

Marco33
None of the stations here are low power and with the exception of a short period of time when some tower work was done on the WKCF tower after Charlie they never have run low power.

WESH has had problems on an off over the past year with channel mapping. Often takes email to WESH to get them to fix it.

Loudo38
11-3 & 4 are physically part of the same signal, so they alway will have the same strength
WESH has 2 subchannels, 11-3 & 11-4. 11-3 is mapped to 2-1 and 11-4 is mapped 2-2, they are not different signals

rich21

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by rich21
jbourg

Can't explain why 17-3 isn't mapping to 18-1. Rescanning the channels often fixes these things. Could be a problem @ WKCF but they are pretty good about keeping on top of wait is going on with their signal. I don't have an OTA receiver any more so I can't check.
Rich -

Thanks. I sent an email to Ch 18 yesterday afternoon and they replied that they will look into it with their PSIP gear vendor Triveni next week. They think they are OK, but do have a report of one other new Samsung 1080p set user experiencing the same problem. May be a Samsung-specific issue? (I've re-scanned a few times with no change).

All -

Any other Samsung HL-Rxxxx8 OTA users experiencing the same problem with Ch 18 mapping to 17-3 v. 18-1?

Also, as of yesterday afternoon or evening I started receiving WESH DT on 11-3/11-4 instead of 2-1/2-2 as reported by others above. Still am as of this morning. I was receiving WESH on 2-1 until yesterday afternoon. I'll send off a note reporting the issue to WESH today. It's interesting at this stage of the DTV technology roll out that these kinds of issues continue to pop up.

Jim

jbourg

Orlando, FL - OTA

Now that I think of it, I occasionally had problems with my Panny STB with WKCF. Problem went away when I got the Tivo.

The re-mapping problem wasn't too bad in the beginning, but when they all switched from -1 to -3 as the main channel ,mapping problems started to pop up. WMFE never could seem to get it right.

I think until the analog goes away, DT will take continue to take a back seat.

rich21

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
Wonder what the possibility that my reciever is busted?

None! I have the same thing on my Directivo as well. I wish these stations would leave their PSID data alone.....For those that were tracking it. WMFE-DT is back to showing up on 24-1 thru 24-4 now...I think I'll leave my 23-*'s in the guide for the next time they break something..... now off to "fix" my CH 2 problems.....

P.S> this is the second time for them in the past few weeks as well.

I'll send the Email to the Eng. Staff.....

ToddD

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToddD
None! I have the same thing on my Directivo as well. I wish these stations would leave their PSID data alone.....For those that were tracking it. WMFE-DT is back to showing up on 24-1 thru 24-4 now...I think I'll leave my 23-*'s in the guide for the next time they break something..... now off to "fix" my CH 2 problems.....

P.S> this is the second time for them in the past few weeks as well.

I'll send the Email to the Eng. Staff.....
As long as it's not me, I can be patient. Guess I'll mis the HD hockey game today.

I sent a e-mail to wesh already.

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
As long as it's not me, I can be patient. Guess I'll mis the HD hockey game today.

I sent a e-mail to wesh already.

If you want to watch the game live you can enter 11-3 as the channel and you'll get WESH

ToddD

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by rich21
Now that I think of it, I occasionally had problems with my Panny STB with WKCF. Problem went away when I got the Tivo.

The re-mapping problem wasn't too bad in the beginning, but when they all switched from -1 to -3 as the main channel ,mapping problems started to pop up. WMFE never could seem to get it right.

I think until the analog goes away, DT will take continue to take a back seat.

I think thats because the receivers expect that - 1 is the main channel....you know it is logical that the first sub channel would be the main, not the 3rd!

ToddD

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToddD
If you want to watch the game live you can enter 11-3 as the channel and you'll get WESH
In HD?

Looks like it. That should get me there.

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by loudo38
Last weekend I rewired my local antenna system, getting rid of the diplexers, to make the system ready for the DirecTV MPG4 change over. My signals went up to even higher levels once the two signals were separated and run separately. On my H10 I was receiving 100% signal on 2-1, 9-1 and 27-1.
Nice. 100% have to feel good.

I have had at least one bout with 9-1 dropping way down, but it is much better than befor.

dengland

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by jstrauser
Where can I find the WESH engineering e-mail address???
Try the address in the 1st message in this thread.

dengland

Orlando, FL - OTA

Aargh! Someone must be asleep behind the HD switch at WKMG. The Colts game isn't being broadcast in HD.

ebockelman

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by ebockelman
Aargh! Someone must be asleep behind the HD switch at WKMG. The Colts game isn't being broadcast in HD.
Getting it in HD now.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Wesh 2-1 still not mapped right. Jeez!


Day 4.

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco33
Wesh 2-1 still not mapped right. Jeez!


Day 4.
Wesh is back!

ToddD

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToddD
Wesh is back!
Woohoooo!

Marco33

Orlando, FL - OTA

I had left the area for several months and i noticed now that WMFE is now broadcasting in a phony HD signal but only showing upconverted SD PBS programming. They are broadcasting in a square HD signal, 1440 x 1080i

houselog442

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToddD
Wesh is back!
11-3 & 11-4 have disappeared from the program guide, now everything is back in it place.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

Hmm, there must be a power outage in Bithlo/Christmas area.

The following stations are not running:

WESH-DT 11 - STILL OFF THE AIR

WRDQ-DT 14 - STILL OFF THE AIR

WOFL-DT 22 - BACK ON THE AIR

WMFE-DT 23 - BACK ON THE AIR

WMFE-24 - BACK ON THE AIR

WACX-DT 40 - BACK ON THE AIR

WLCB-45 - BACK ON THE AIR

WLCB-DT 46 - STILL OFF THE AIR

WTGL-52 - BACK ON THE AIR

james32746

Orlando, FL - OTA

I guess we know who has a generator.

Barry928

Orlando, FL - OTA

fyi, confirmed outage on those channels.

not very professional, at least it didn't happen in prime time...

wait... didn't Barry just have a CFHDS tour there this weekend???
i was wondering what that button was for.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by james32746
Hmm, there must be a power outage in Bithlo/Christmas area.

The following stations are not running:

WESH-DT 11

WRDQ-DT 14

WOFL-DT 22 (running at microscopic power levels)

WMFE-DT 23

WMFE-24

WACX-DT 40

WLCB-45

WLCB-DT 46

WTGL-52

corba

Orlando, FL - OTA

hopefully wofl is back for american idol heh

bgall

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by bgall
hopefully wofl is back for american idol heh
My thoughts exactly...Though I hate to admit it.

Shozbot

Orlando, FL - OTA

Very strange would have though a power outage would have taken out WKMG & WFTV as well.

WFTV & WRDQ at the same xmitter site (I think)
WESH, WKMG, WBCC, WCEU & WRBW are at the same site
WMFE in the same site as their analog.
WOFL is at the same site as their analog.

rich21

Orlando, FL - OTA

In light of the problems tonight:

I know this is OTA forum, and i usually watch 35.1 OTA, but FYI, DTV now also feeds FOX HD on channel 88 for those whom have DTV and need their American Idol fix

I'm getting a very week signal on 35.1, massive error rate, and i can see the tower from my farm in Chuluota!...

i'm glad i didn't design their disaster plan!

corba

Orlando, FL - OTA

35-1 coming in here ok, but signal is a little weaker than normal. American Idiot is on now, if you can stomach it. What noise pollution.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

What disaster.

As long as the analog channel is up and running none of the broadcasters are losing a penny. In fact they are saving some cash on the electric bill tonight.

Barry928

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by loudo38
35-1 coming in here ok, but signal is a little weaker than normal. American Idiot is on now, if you can stomach it. What noise pollution.
The stations that were off the air should buy generators to run their transmitters. Especially WESH-DT and WOFL-DT.

james32746

Orlando, FL - OTA

The generators are in the 2008-2009 budget.

Barry928

Orlando, FL - OTA

Happy - I looked at antennaweb.org and read various AV forums. I determined that I needed a VHF antenna for channel 2.1 and UHF for the rest.

I believe the arrow-shaped antennas are called Yagi antennas. They are good for both UHF and VHF reception. I believe the square/rectangular-shaped antennas are very good for UHF reception but not so good at VHF reception.

avNeophyte

Orlando, FL - OTA

Happy,

A co-worker who lives about 20 miles out from the transmitters bought one of these at lowes:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=ANC3010

He says it works great for all local stations in his living room. It should work even better in your attic. Plus, if it doesn't work, you can easily return it. I think it was $40.

Derek

Derek K.

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by avNeophyte
Happy - I looked at antennaweb.org and read various AV forums. I determined that I needed a VHF antenna for channel 2.1 and UHF for the rest.

I believe the arrow-shaped antennas are called Yagi antennas. They are good for both UHF and VHF reception. I believe the square/rectangular-shaped antennas are very good for UHF reception but not so good at VHF reception.
WESH 2.1 is broadcast on channel 11. I read on one of the antenna websites that a big enough UFH antenna would still pick up the higher VHF channels, such as WESH, especially if you're close. I'm about 12 miles from the WESH tower with a pretty clear line of sight. What do you think about this? But with that said, it seems that the Yagi antennas aren't any more expensive than the square ones, and the reception on the square ones didn't seem that much better, so I don't see the pupose of the square ones.

HappyFunBoater

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek K.
Happy,

A co-worker who lives about 20 miles out from the transmitters bought one of these at lowes:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=ANC3010

He says it works great for all local stations in his living room. It should work even better in your attic. Plus, if it doesn't work, you can easily return it. I think it was $40.

Derek
Thanks. Where did he buy it?

HappyFunBoater

Orlando, FL - OTA

I've heard the same about picking up 2.1 with a good UHF antenna but I don't have any experience with it myself. I know I do receive 2.1 fine with a Yagi in my attic.

> Where did he buy it?

Derek said his co-worker bought it at Lowes.

avNeophyte

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by avNeophyte
> Where did he buy it?

Derek said his co-worker bought it at Lowes.
Duh. Thanks.

HappyFunBoater

Orlando, FL - OTA

What goes with all of the Orlando digitals going to the gray vertical bars when transmitting 4x3 video on a 16x9 screen. Boy is that UGLY compared to the black ones they used to use.

It really looks bad when the 4x3 picture has black horizontal bars in it. Then we have gray bars on the sides and black ones on the top and bottom.

Sure hope they don't leave it that way, and go back to the black vertical bars.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

"""What goes with all of the Orlando digitals going to the gray vertical bars when transmitting 4x3 video on a 16x9 screen. Boy is that UGLY compared to the black ones they used to use."""

this is a conscious decision made by the stations to help alleviate the possibility of burn-in. a side note, Plasmas aren't the only sets with burn-in issues, crt's and lcd's will retain image as well, it is just more evident with the plasmas

MattKey

Orlando, FL - OTA

Actually, current generation plasmas aren't very susceptible to burn in.

avNeophyte

Orlando, FL - OTA

I don't know if they will do it tonight, but the other night 6.2 was showing NASA TV for the launch. This was very cool for us that don't have cable.

Just wanted to let everyone know that it might be on there again.

gaarcham

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quick question: If you are currently using an indoor antenna, what's the best VHF/UHF directional antenna you've used? I have a generic RCA multi-directional antenna, but every time I move an inch in my room (literally), I lose signal. I'm hoping that a directional antenna will improve this issue, but I am not in a position to install an outdoor/attic antenna. I know the amplified antennas are a rip-off and I will avoid them, but I'd like a good directional antenna that I could use to pick up some HDTV signals in the Conway area. I live about a mile south of the Executive Airport (not OIA) and there are a few trees/homes in the area that could block the signal, but I'd like to give a good directional indoor antenna a try.

Any thoughts?

El Piso

Orlando, FL - OTA

You could try one lf these:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

If it doesn't work you can easily return it. You may not get wesh with it, though.

Derek K.

Orlando, FL - OTA

RadioShack says no dice...

Besides, I'm wanting the whole spectrum of major channels (2, 6, 9, 18, 24, 27, 35, 65), not all but 2. I can pick up all of the channels now, but when I get the antenna I currently use set up just right to pick up some channels, I lose others. I adjust the antenna and get those back and then I lose some other channels. Quite annoying considering that some of the channels I lose broadcast from the same tower as far as I can tell... :-/

El Piso

Orlando, FL - OTA

Guys I need some help badly. I just moved to Orlando and I am setting up my very first HDTV / antenna. After fighting with the TERK TV44 antenna I said forget it and went to radioshack and bought a (what I consider huge/sufficient) 80" 32 element outdoor antenna. I mounted it outside on the roof and I have spent coutless hours trying to get all my channels to come in at the same time. My problem is for example I might get all but channel 9 to work, so I adjust untill channel 9 works and then I loose 35. Then I adjust for 35 and I loose channel 6!!! Its killing me and my girlfriend is getting pissed since I have spent 2 full weekends mucking with it. I live right in the heart of Thorton Park Downtown and antennaweb(dot)org says I am within 20 miles of almost every station! (except wesh) My second bigest problem is that no matter where I point the antenna I cant get but about 65% signal on RF 17 (channel 18 CW). What am I doing wrong? I am to the point I am considering buying a second antenna to put up so I dont have to keep adjusting it for whatever channel I want. I really have to at least get 2, 6, 9, and 35 to work without adjusting I could live without 18 although my girlfriend has informed me that she watches that channel the most in the afternoons for whatever comes on then (figures). My receiver is a VOOM Motorola DSR550 that I can get into the installer menu and scan for locals fine (I got it from ebay) and I have a sharp aquos HDTV ready display. HDTV looks amazing when I get locked onto a channel but there must be something I am doing wrong I pray someone can help me out and tell me what am I doing wrong.



Thank You in advance!!!

CH

hustl3

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Piso
RadioShack says no dice...

Besides, I'm wanting the whole spectrum of major channels (2, 6, 9, 18, 24, 27, 35, 65), not all but 2. I can pick up all of the channels now, but when I get the antenna I currently use set up just right to pick up some channels, I lose others. I adjust the antenna and get those back and then I lose some other channels. Quite annoying considering that some of the channels I lose broadcast from the same tower as far as I can tell... :-/
You're just trying to get digital, right? Don't bother with the analog channels; they'll drive you crazy trying to get a clear picture. With you being in the Conway area I would have thought that getting the digital channels would be easy. I live in Tuskawilla (I think futher from the towers than you), and I get everything easily with just a little indoors antenna.

HappyFunBoater

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustl3
Guys I need some help badly. I just moved to Orlando and I am setting up my very first HDTV / antenna. After fighting with the TERK TV44 antenna I said forget it and went to radioshack and bought a (what I consider huge/sufficient) 80" 32 element outdoor antenna. I mounted it outside on the roof and I have spent coutless hours trying to get all my channels to come in at the same time. My problem is for example I might get all but channel 9 to work, so I adjust untill channel 9 works and then I loose 35. Then I adjust for 35 and I loose channel 6!!! Its killing me and my girlfriend is getting pissed since I have spent 2 full weekends mucking with it. I live right in the heart of Thorton Park Downtown and antennaweb(dot)org says I am within 20 miles of almost every station! (except wesh) My second bigest problem is that no matter where I point the antenna I cant get but about 65% signal on RF 17 (channel 18 CW). What am I doing wrong? I am to the point I am considering buying a second antenna to put up so I dont have to keep adjusting it for whatever channel I want. I really have to at least get 2, 6, 9, and 35 to work without adjusting I could live without 18 although my girlfriend has informed me that she watches that channel the most in the afternoons for whatever comes on then (figures). My receiver is a VOOM Motorola DSR550 that I can get into the installer menu and scan for locals fine (I got it from ebay) and I have a sharp aquos HDTV ready display. HDTV looks amazing when I get locked onto a channel but there must be something I am doing wrong I pray someone can help me out and tell me what am I doing wrong.



Thank You in advance!!!

CH
WESH is in a different location? Hmm. I'd swear antennaweb showed it in the same direction as the others. Maybe it's justa side effect of me living were I live. Is WESH the one that's in Melbourne?

Also, you're just trying to get digital, right. (Sorry to repeat my comment that I made to El Piso. Sounds like you guys are almost neighbors. ) Channel 9 is also be a little problematic for me if the weather is rainy.

HappyFunBoater

Orlando, FL - OTA

Actually I dont have a problem with WESH. It says that one is the farthest away out of Cocoa/Melborne area. The one Im having the most problems is CW 18. I cant get that one to come in no matter what I do. And also I cant get 2, 6, 9, & 35. to all come in at the same time. It seems like something I am doing wrong, I understand the importance of pointing the antenna in the right direction I have aimed tons of satellite dishs in my day, and I just didnt think that the OTA antenna was as picky.

hustl3

Orlando, FL - OTA

2-1,6-1,65-1,68-1 & 15-1 are all located in the same building & tower. 9-1 & 27-1 are just a mile or two away and 18-1 is a mile or so east of the others. WESH is the only VHF signal, so it sounds like a problem with the UHF part of the antenna. From MLB if you point at any one of the towers you shouldn't have problem with the others. The exception is 56-1 which is south of the other towers.

rich21

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustl3
Guys I need some help badly. I just moved to Orlando and I am setting up my very first HDTV / antenna. After fighting with the TERK TV44 antenna I said forget it and went to radioshack and bought a (what I consider huge/sufficient) 80" 32 element outdoor antenna. I mounted it outside on the roof and I have spent coutless hours trying to get all my channels to come in at the same time. My problem is for example I might get all but channel 9 to work, so I adjust untill channel 9 works and then I loose 35. Then I adjust for 35 and I loose channel 6!!! Its killing me and my girlfriend is getting pissed since I have spent 2 full weekends mucking with it. I live right in the heart of Thorton Park Downtown and antennaweb(dot)org says I am within 20 miles of almost every station! (except wesh) My second bigest problem is that no matter where I point the antenna I cant get but about 65% signal on RF 17 (channel 18 CW). What am I doing wrong? I am to the point I am considering buying a second antenna to put up so I dont have to keep adjusting it for whatever channel I want. I really have to at least get 2, 6, 9, and 35 to work without adjusting I could live without 18 although my girlfriend has informed me that she watches that channel the most in the afternoons for whatever comes on then (figures). My receiver is a VOOM Motorola DSR550 that I can get into the installer menu and scan for locals fine (I got it from ebay) and I have a sharp aquos HDTV ready display. HDTV looks amazing when I get locked onto a channel but there must be something I am doing wrong I pray someone can help me out and tell me what am I doing wrong.



Thank You in advance!!!

CH
From here in Melbourne I have an antenna in my attic. I aimed it toward the antenna farm, Bithlo, for the Orlando stations and I get around 30 digital and HD stations with it. Many of them with over 90% signal. I am about 50 miles from the antenna farm. On certain days I even get stations from Tampa.

If you have a long antenna run, you may need an amplifier on the line. Also if you are sharing the antenna with a lot of TVs, that could be taking away from the signal strength, needing one.

If you have any tall buildings around you, they could be giving you a problem also. Not sure exactly if they effect digital like they do analog signals.

Also check your coaxial connectors and make sure they are not shorted out. Sometimes a single shield strand can get dragged over a center conductor killing your signal.

loudo38

Orlando, FL - OTA

hustl3,

your problem now could be you have too much antenna! you also have not been choosing the greatest antennas (terk, rad shack).

if you read a little further up on this page, you should see this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9014272

swing by lowes, pick one up and give it a shot. if that doesn't work, call bhn!

good luck!

Derek K.

Orlando, FL - OTA

Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyFunBoater
You're just trying to get digital, right? Don't bother with the analog channels; they'll drive you crazy trying to get a clear picture. With you being in the Conway area I would have thought that getting the digital channels would be easy. I live in Tuskawilla (I think futher from the towers than you), and I get everything easily with just a little indoors antenna.
WESH-DT is a VHF channel (Channel 11, if I'm not mistaken). All of the other digital channels are UHF. Just because a channel is digital doesn't mean it's in the UHF band, unfortunately. As for my location, I'm just a little bit (a mile or so) south of an airport, so this is probably affecting my reception. I also have a couple of neighbors with large satellite dishes that affect my analog reception, so I suspect it's harming my digital as well.

Has anyone tried using one of the indoor antennas by Terk? I'm looking at a couple of directional antennas and I was wondering what the Orlando success rate was.

El Piso

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