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Question St. Louis MO HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Updated: 2008-06-07 07:19:29 (19465)
St. Louis MO HDTV

St Louis Tower Maps

For anyone doing the initial install of an OTA antenna, or anyone looking to fine-tune the positioning of their existing antenna, the attached ZIP files at the end of this message contain maps showing the tower location for each digital station in St. Louis. Pick the ZIP file(s) most appropriate to your location, using downtown St. Louis as your reference point.

Note that there are three digital television towers that are clustered closely together -- KDNL, KPLR and KSDK (going from north to south). The limitations of the mapping software I used prevented me from making the labels visible for all three of these towers. However, there are flags indicating each of these towers, and all other towers and labels should be readable.

If you have any questions on the tower maps, feel free to send me a private message...

Your Right to Erect an Antenna and/or Satellite Dish

As more and more consumers purchase high-definition displays, there's increasing interest in arranging for receipt of HD programming via an over-the-air antenna or through a satellite dish.

Unfortunately with the proliferation of cable television in the 1980s and 1990s, many communities, property developers and homeowner/condo owner associations tried to undo the visual blight of antennas (and later, satellite dishes) from their local skylines. While these laws, rules or convenants were well-intended -- after all, it would be difficult to argue for the cosmetic benefits of a yagi antenna -- these actions are not legally enforceable.

The FCC has ruled -- with only a few very narrow exceptions -- that you have the right to receive over-the-air television and radio broadcasts and as a result you have a right to erect an antenna to receive these signals. This ruling also encompasses the erection of small satellite dishes.

Even if you have previously signed a lease or homeower association convenant that requires you to forego the right to erect an antenna or satellite dishes, the FCC has ruled that these types of provisions are unenforceable.

In general, there are only a few notable exceptions to this rule:

* First, the location of the antenna or dish must be an "exclusive use" area. As a homeowner or condominium owner, this would mean any part of the property over which you have control. For renters, this would also apply to balconies or patios that are intended solely for your use. The sort of rental property area that would not be covered would be general use areas, such as common passageways or rooftop areas that are clearly intended for the shared use of all residents.

* Second, the antenna or dish cannot be erected in areas that would create a legitimate safety issue, for example one that is dangling off a balcony or placed too close to electrical wiring.

* Third, there may be restrictions if you are located in a designated historical (or prehistorical) district, in which case a permit may be required.

The other major limitation is that these devices cannot exceed 1 meter (39.37 inches) in diameter.

The burden of proof in contesting your right to mount a dish and/or antenna rests with the landlord, homeowner association, city council, etc. Strictly speaking, you do not need to seek prior permission or provide prior notice, so long as the device is to be situated in an area under your control and there is no obvious safety issue.

However, before taking on the expense and effort of such an installation, you should read and review in its entirety the following summary of the FCC ruling on consumer rights to mount over-the-air devices:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Also, the Satellite Broadcasting and Communications Association recently launched an initiative to help installers and satellite TV viewers protect their right to install satellite dishes. The SBCA online forum allows individuals to submit to the association any problems from governmental and non-governmental entities (such as homeowner's associations) concerning their right to install outdoor reception equipment.

The SBCA form can be accessed at: http://www.sbca.com/otard/default.htm


Feedback to St. Louis Stations

Is there something that you're unhappy about concerning the digital broadcasts by local St. Louis stations?

Weird-looking presentation of standard-definition programming? Multiple channel bugs cluttering up those beautiful images? Somebody at the station forgot to "flip the switch" before or during the middle of your favorite HD program?

Or better yet, maybe you'd just like to send your thanks and encouragement to your favorite local station for the effort they've made so far in providing us with more and better HD programming. The cost and effort in providing digital and HD programming is significant, and it's important for the station owners and management to know that we're watching.

Well, here's the place where you can find the online addresses where you can send your comments and feedback.


KTVI Channel 2 contact:
ktvitech@fox2ktvi.com

Don Rockwell (tech contact)
(314) 644-7425

KMOV Channel 4 contact:
programs@kmov.com
WNichol@kmov.com

KSDK Channel 5 contact:
Dave Hummert (chief engineer)
dhummert@ksdk.gannett.com

Lynn Beall (station manager)
lbeall@ksdk.gannett.com

KETC Channel 9 contact:
letters@ketc.org

KPLR Channel 11 contact:
whatson@wb11tv.com
technical@wb11tv.com

KDNL Channel 30 contact:
jwright@kdnl.sbgnet.com

WRBU Channel 46 contact:
[no email available & no website]

Fox Sports Midwest:
midwest@foxsports.net

Feedback to Charter Communications

Joseph Stackhouse
Senior Vice President, Customer Operations
Charter Communications
12405 Powerscourt Drive
St. Louis, MO 63131
Phone: (314) 965-0555



Answers: St. Louis MO HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
St. Louis MO HDTV

A question about amplifiers.

I have a pretty strong signal but I'm splitting it five ways currently. Three of those splits are analog-only, but two are for digital (I do'nt know that that matters.) Anyway, I think that all the splitting is deteriorating my signal, so I'd like to use an amp to do something.

Yesterday I was getting a few dropouts on CBS and I think it has to be due to all of the splitting. Any recommendations for this type of amp? I'd love to buy one at a retailer, maybe this weekend.

Any ideas what I should buy, or where, and perhaps where I should put it in terms of my antenna signal path? Thanks, as always.

WinstonSmith

St. Louis MO HDTV

The CBS issues have been acknowledged by charter and according to their recording, they have pulled it off the air. Now, I doubt they really know how to do that, but, they have admitted CBS-HD has a problem and they are "working on it".

scheerce

St. Louis MO HDTV

Aren't some Charter customers reporting that they still have CBS-HD?

WinstonSmith

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinstonSmith
Aren't some Charter customers reporting that they still have CBS-HD?
Yes. I've had no issues with 784 (CBS-HD) in the Kirkwood/Glendale area. Looked gorgeous yesterday and last night.

GlendaleHDTV

St. Louis MO HDTV

Jedi35,

Hard drives are much cheaper han counceling and they actually work.

I have a Samsung 165/ HD recorder setup also. I just never got around to actually recording anything. I suppose a different sort of conceling is in order. Art

Art Lloyd

St. Louis MO HDTV

yes, they will realize that while they were hard at work working, we were at work working hard on HDTV issues.

scheerce

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by scheerce
You may know what he drives, but do you know what grep or awk means?
To make if fair, I drive a GMC truck.....
I do! I do!


(former sys admin)

Edit: wmschultz wanna help me out too?

MoInSTL

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by MoInSTL
I do! I do!


(former sys admin)

Edit: wmschultz wanna help me out too?

Well somebody tell me what they mean. Does it have to do with computers? Is it sexual? I'm assuming you should never, ever grep at the dinner table. Or is it not a verb? Please tell me, the suspense is killing me.

deuces

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by deuces
Or is it not a verb?
Yes, it can be. One can grok grep or grep grok.

RaceTripper

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by deuces
Well somebody tell me what they mean. Does it have to do with computers? Is it sexual? I'm assuming you should never, ever grep at the dinner table. Or is it not a verb? Please tell me, the suspense is killing me.
Unix commands/tools. Taken from sites googling:

The grep command searches one or more input files for lines containing a match to a specified pattern. By default, grep prints the matching lines. My comment: much more flexible than a mere search tool especially when combined in a longer command string.

The Awk text-processing language is useful for such tasks as:
Tallying information from text files and creating reports from the results.
Adding additional functions to text editors like "vi".
Translating files from one format to another.
Creating small databases.
Performing mathematical operations on files of numeric data.
Awk has two faces: it is a utility for performing simple text-processing tasks, and it is a programming language for performing complex text-processing tasks.

MoInSTL

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by MoInSTL
I do! I do!


(former sys admin)

Edit: wmschultz wanna help me out too?
What type of help are you needing? I'm open to providing assistance.

wmschultz

St. Louis MO HDTV

And when you awk something you make it fork itself.

wmschultz

St. Louis MO HDTV

Trivia

grep is an acronym for: General Regular Expression Parser
(and the Perl language has a more full fledged regular expression (regex) syntax and parser)
awk stands for its inventors: Aho, Kernighan and Weinberger

RaceTripper

St. Louis MO HDTV

OK, sorry this is off the grep and awk topic, but back on the HD topic. The Cardinal baseball discussion we had: I think it doesn't matter about a lot of the debate that went on. Our goal is to see more baseball in HD. Does anyone have any good ideas on how to help get that done?

deuces

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmschultz
What type of help are you needing? I'm open to providing assistance.
I was joking, but since you are asking... I am dealing with dynamc multipath due to practically living on top of Lambert. I bought a Silver Sensor which works reasonably well but still not good enough to stop freezing and audio drop-outs. Called D* and had them install a separate antenna line (no diplexors, just straight line) and a 2-bay bowtie. Late at night I can watch Leno or Letterman fine and my signal strengths are quite good. It's all the planes causing the problems during primetime. So I need to figure out what will fit on the mast on top of the sat dish and change it out. I want to avoid another hole in my roof. I could probably pick up a 4-bay as they use the same mounting brackets but from what I have read, it may not be enough to thwart multipath. An 8-bay like a CM is too darn big and would require a lot of stuff I am not able to do. In my generation women didn't learn this stuff so I'm not very handy.

MoInSTL

St. Louis MO HDTV

Hi, I'm newmember but long time reader of the forum and thanks to all of your information I have enjoyed OTA hd for sometime. I recently changed my antenna to aDB@ attenna direct nad used John McMillian of Signal Seekers (314-7040921) for the install . I also installed the H10-250 tivo unit and have great recption except for ch 46. I do have a Samsung SIR-160 unit available and anyone that is interested can pm me for more information.

van105

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by MoInSTL
I was joking, but since you are asking... I am dealing with dynamc multipath due to practically living on top of Lambert. I bought a Silver Sensor which works reasonably well but still not good enough to stop freezing and audio drop-outs. Called D* and had them install a separate antenna line (no diplexors, just straight line) and a 2-bay bowtie. Late at night I can watch Leno or Letterman fine and my signal strengths are quite good. It's all the planes causing the problems during primetime. So I need to figure out what will fit on the mast on top of the sat dish and change it out. I want to avoid another hole in my roof. I could probably pick up a 4-bay as they use the same mounting brackets but from what I have read, it may not be enough to thwart multipath. An 8-bay like a CM is too darn big and would require a lot of stuff I am not able to do. In my generation women didn't learn this stuff so I'm not very handy.
I would call antennas direct and talk to them. It's funny, that CM 8 bay is like the
one I bought from Antennas direct but it doesn't look as quality. But I would think
they should be able to give you a better idea of what you need. I'm guessing that
something like this http://www.antennasdirect.com/42XG_t...n_antenna.html
would be better because of how close you are.

wmschultz

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by skippy_rq
Better yet give this guy a call. He setup me, my dad, and a few friends of mine. Last I checked he charged $99 for an antenna installed. Very cool and friendly.

Jon Kniss
A/V Concepts
C-314-704-0251
H-636-661-5478

Just tell him I sent ya and he should get you setup and make you a happy camper.
I gave Jon a call, hopefully he can sort out my bad reception problem.

Fiasco

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by deuces
I'm assuming you should never, ever grep at the dinner table.
For the dinner table I would recommend
grep Tuesday menu | awk '{print "Enjoy your "$2", "$3", and"$4}'

davesalaman

St. Louis MO HDTV

My experience has been mostly positive with Directv also. Every once in a while I get a really clueless CSR. I just call back and invariably get a more knowledgable one. My worst experience dealt with the NFLST and Super Fan last year. The lady kept telling me that no one was getting free credit for Super Fan when dozens in the AVS forum were because they couldn't deliver everything they were promising due to the limitations of the STBs. She stated she, "never had given a credit to anyone for Superfan" and stated that others getting credit, "just wasn't happening". Then she gave me a full credit! Later, D* gave me the same credit for 2006 Super Fan because of the level of complaints they received about it and the way it was set up. I was polite and honest as to why I was calling but the way she treated me made me think twice about D* for first time since I had the service.

My love of the NFL gives me more than average patience with D* but I have to admit I don't recommend them to my friends as strongly and I used to. That being said they are obviously the best option if you are a NFL fan. I believe once the MPEG 4 rollout is done they will easily be the best choice in general except for their DVR.

Chuck

cgh3rd

St. Louis MO HDTV

I wonder why FOX is the only network not carrying the State of the Union Address in HD

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

And CBS, at least in its pre-speech babbling by Bob Schieffer and Gloria Borger, was broadcasting 2.0 channel sound with the 5.1 flag on -- shades of Jay Leno!

KSDK/NBC seemed to get picture and sound completely right (how's THAT for unusual)... I didn't check ABC.

Robert Simandl

St. Louis MO HDTV

During the 10 PM news on KSDK, they are "explaining" different info about their upcoming HD news broadcast. Tonight, the question answered was "What is needed to get the HD signal?"

Answers?:

If you don't have cable or satellite, you just need to purchase a digital antenna. Otherwise you need to sign up for an HD package and get the digital tuner from your provider.

I'm sure I didn't get the exact quote, but that's close. I just found "their answers" to be funny.

Kurt K

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt K
During the 10 PM news on KSDK, they are "explaining" different info about their upcoming HD news broadcast. Tonight, the question answered was "What is needed to get the HD signal?"

Answers?:

If you don't have cable or satellite, you just need to purchase a digital antenna. Otherwise you need to sign up for an HD package and get the digital tuner from your provider.

I'm sure I didn't get the exact quote, but that's close. I just found "their answers" to be funny.
Charter CSR's should be busy on the phone tomorrow

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgh3rd
I believe once the MPEG 4 rollout is done they will easily be the best choice in general except for their DVR.

Chuck
Who will be the best choice for the DVR?

WinstonSmith

St. Louis MO HDTV

Anyone think KSDK is getting a kickback?

WinstonSmith

St. Louis MO HDTV

Lifetime and Lifetime Movie Network are now back on Dish.
Terms of the agreement have yet to be released.

Dish also added 7 additional HD channels tonight, which are only available to MPEG4 receivers.
ESPN2 HD
Universal HD
World Sport HD
World Cinema HD
Treasure HD
Game Play HD
Family HD

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

To my ever decreasing Charter brethren out there:

Are you receiving channel 784 OK? I keep getting the dreaded "If you do not subscribe.......check your cables" message. This has been going on for two weeks. All other HD channels are fine just KMOV????? This used to be my best HD channel (except HDNet of course).

Anyone? Don't make me call the Charter CSR!!!!!

PWSHER

St. Louis MO HDTV

We Interrupt Your Normal AVS Programming...

...for the following St. Louis housekeeping break:

A couple of years ago, we used to start off each month with a reposting of the local resource messages that are now buried on the first page of this discussion thread. I think there's some useful bits and pieces of information there -- and not JUST because I wrote most of it.

Unfortunately a lot of that information is overlooked because it's so far off the beaten path, especially now that the St. Louis discussion archive stretches back more than 2 years and 300+ pages.

To try to address this, I'm going to post an advisory/reminder note similar to this every couple of weeks. Ideally this will make this information more visible and accessible to more readers.

With HDTV sales increasing every month, we're getting more and more newcomers here, which is a great thing to see. But like most of us when we took home our first HDTV, there's a huge amount to learn beyond where to point the remote and which buttons to push.

So, here's to filling in some of those information gaps...


Tower Maps, Your Satellite/Antenna Rights & Local Station Feedback

Using An Antenna to Receive Local HD Stations

Common Questions about HDTV

HD Programming Available in St. Louis

And finally, I want to remind everyone -- newcomers and old hands alike -- that you can access the St. Louis HDTV discussion here at AVS directly by using the shortcut URL that has been arranged.

The short-form URL also makes it very easy to remember and give the address to anyone you know who's just getting into HDTV.

The shortcut URL is: www.stlhdtv.info

DroptheRemote

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdg454
I wonder why FOX is the only network not carrying the State of the Union Address in HD
I have thought about this, and here's my possible scenario-

They are using Fox News to pump this feed to the affiliates. Fox News is still SD, so they probably send it out that way.

my 2 cents...

hanjke

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by PWSHER
To my ever decreasing Charter brethren out there:

Are you receiving channel 784 OK? I keep getting the dreaded "If you do not subscribe.......check your cables" message. This has been going on for two weeks. All other HD channels are fine just KMOV????? This used to be my best HD channel (except HDNet of course).

Anyone? Don't make me call the Charter CSR!!!!!
Wow, I got the same thing on my Motorola box upstairs except its 784 and 773. Good thing its her TV and my MOXI is still working downstairs in the media room.

I called a CSR and they did some balancing thing over the phone. I rebooted and it worked for 5 minutes. I called back and scheduled a service call but before they came over they called the wife and asked her to check because they fixed some stuff and it worked (for 10 minutes) so they canceled the appointment. I guess Im going to reschedule.

Rates went up to from $115 to over $185. (Tripleplay and dish buy back customer)

Tom Grooms

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiasco
I gave Jon a call, hopefully he can sort out my bad reception problem.
Let us know how it all works out for you.

skippy_rq

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Grooms
...

Rates went up to from $115 to over $185. (Tripleplay and dish buy back customer)
AAAAAAHHHHHHHH! $70 price increase is a bit steep. I hope you can call and get them to come to their senses.
dug

Mr_Bester

St. Louis MO HDTV

If someone with DISH can send me the numbers of the new channels added to the service today, I'll update the Available Programming chart.

Has Charter added anything recently not reflected in the chart?

Thanks in advance.

Note: Current version of the Available Programming chart can be found here.

DroptheRemote

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DroptheRemote
If someone with DISH can send me the numbers of the new channels added to the service today, I'll update the Available Programming chart.
ESPN2 HD - 9425
Universal HD - 9427
World Sport HD - 9473
World Cinema HD - 9475
Treasure HD - 9477
Game Play HD - 9485
Family HD - 9486

Note: Must have MPEG4 receiver.

As a side note, I am now receiving the distant local DT's from NY. This morning, GMA was on in HD. I only watched it briefly, but the PQ looked good. It's flagged as MPEG4, but it is widely rumored it is still in MPEG2 compression.

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jphaus
Is it worthwhile to call Customer Service (oh joy) to complain? Can they back down compression on only one channel? FSN is really the only channel I've noticed it on, but that may just be due to the type of programming they run.
It won't hurt, but I also wouldn't expect it to help.

The real issue with compression is that cable and satellite have traditionally been able to get away with adding ever-increasing amounts of compression to signals, because for a long time the average TV screen size was around 25 inches. As a result, the impact of compression was difficult for most viewers to see.

Compression is now part of the cable/sat business DNA. Even though new displays are getting bigger and much more capable of showing both picture details and flaws, it's not going to be easy to back off the compression throttle. Doing that implies opting for quality over quantity, and no one really believes that consumers are prepared to pay for quality.

DroptheRemote

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmschultz
KETC has a different transmission tower location than the rest, so you might have to tweak
your antenna pointing. Check out http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx to see
where the towers are.
I sort of doubt that it's an aiming issue -- Meppen is more than 60 miles from the towers, and at that distance directionality between KETC and the other towers is probably inconsequential.

The HDTV Survey indicates that KETC is one of the more difficult stations to receive even locally, so that's probably part of the explanation.

frbill, welcome to the discussion. Do you ever get a signal for KETC, or is it completely unavailable?

DroptheRemote

St. Louis MO HDTV

The only reason I mentioned it is because if I rotate my antenna a little bit I will lose KTVI but
I pick up KETC.

wmschultz

St. Louis MO HDTV

Wouldn't you know that Battlestar Galactica showing is on Thursday night, while I'm at work...............

Thanks anyway Joe (sigh)................

Robert Simandl

St. Louis MO HDTV

I replaced the lamp on my projector today and thought you all may want to see the difference a new lamp makes.

Before lamp w/2100 hours on it.


After lamp w/ zero hours on it.


Let me know if any questions.

Scott

Scott Tucker

St. Louis MO HDTV

Wow, that's amazing, Scott.
The lamp thing is pretty incredible also.

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

A little off topic, but this deals with a Television.

I just purchase a 15" Sanyo LCD TV for our kitchen.

I am going to wall-mount it and fish cable to the basement.

I don't know too much about power sources with these, but the manual says it needs 12V AC/DC connection.

Now it came with the power cord, but it's kind of bulky, like a lap top power coder, with the middle bulky piece.

I was wondering if I can use any 12v power to this tv, so I can fish that down to the basement as well for a clean install.

Will this work, and anyone got an idea of other 12v power plugs? I assume those are pretty poopular.

Here's a link to the PDF file on the TV if you want to see the cord that I am talking about that came with the TV.

Wolverine5767.

wolverine5767

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine5767
the manual says it needs 12V AC/DC connection
Beware, on page 8 it drops the reference to AC and has only a DC label.
Quote:
I was wondering if I can use any 12v power to this tv, so I can fish that down to the basement as well for a clean install
Why not cut the cord of the supplied adapter and splice a longer piece of wire into it? That way you wouldn't have to find a matching plug.

Dan in St. Louis

St. Louis MO HDTV

Anyone hear the announcement today that American Chopper is moving from Discovery to TLC? I wonder what I'm gonna watch on D HD Theater (or HD DISCO as my Sony calls it) now...I hope they add Mythbusters or Dirty Jobs in HD...otherwise that channel's quickly becomeing useless.

-Matt

matth1138

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by matth1138
Anyone hear the announcement today that American Chopper is moving from Discovery to TLC? I wonder what I'm gonna watch on D HD Theater (or HD DISCO as my Sony calls it) now...I hope they add Mythbusters or Dirty Jobs in HD...otherwise that channel's quickly becomeing useless.
Discovery HD Theater is supposed to revamp its HD programming line-up in 2007:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8329613

DroptheRemote

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Tucker
I replaced the lamp on my projector today and thought you all may want to see the difference a new lamp makes.

Let me know if any questions.

Scott
Nice. What type of PJ do you have? My AE700 is getting up there in hours.

duihlein

St. Louis MO HDTV

STL HDTV Survey Results - Part 4: Rating Your HD Pay TV Provider

This fourth summary of the results of the "HDTV in St. Louis" viewer survey focuses on how local viewers rate the main Pay TV services available in the categories of HD programming choice, HD hardware and advanced services, HD customer support and technical support, HD picture quality, HD sound quality and overall HD value offered by each subscription service.

As noted in the original survey question, the point of this section of questions was not to try to determine an objective "best" option for HD services in St. Louis, as that would require costly side-by-side, double-blind tests involving all three services over some reasonable period of time. Obviously, that's not doable, probably even by the companies that have the most at stake in those sort of findings.

Instead, the survey asked each respondent to select the Pay TV service they consider to be their primary subscription service for HD programming and then to answer a series of questions about how satisfied they are with various aspects of the services.

As a result, there's no declared "winner" here -- just the nuts and bolts opinions of viewers who use these services every day. I think that's still potentially valuable, particularly for when someone new to HD comes along here and asks the question, "What do you guys think about XXXXX for HD?"

For at least the next few months, we have a pretty good barometer of customer opinion about each Pay TV provider's HD service.

Of the 142 people who answered the question about whether they subscribed to an HD Pay TV service, 91% replied in the affirmative, with only 9% saying they did not receive HD through one of the subscription TV services.

The actual ranking of Pay TV providers was an optional section, and of those who followed through, just short of 50% said they were Charter Communications customers, 39% were DirecTV subscribers and only 12% were DISH Network viewers.

To start, here's a breakdown on how long survey respondents have been receiving HD programming from each of the three Pay TV providers.


As expected, DirecTV and DISH had the greatest share of long-term HD subscribers, particularly after discounting the fact that Charter did not offer HD programming 5 years ago. It's likely that some participants didn't fully understand the question, which was focused on HD programming, not overall length of service with your provider.

Although it's not possible to draw concrete conclusions from the data, it appears that Charter is benefitting the most from the increasing number of first-time HDTV buyers looking for HD programming. That makes sense on several levels, as Charter likely has the largest share of overall Pay TV customers in St. Louis and it's the most friction-free way to secure pay TV programming (no dish, no line-of-sight hassles, no antenna, etc.)

Next, onto the ratings:


The major finding here is the extremely high ratings that DISH Network customers give the company, pretty much right across the board. From these results, it appears that DISH subscribers as a group don't see any major deficiencies in the HD product, services and support they're receiving.

On the other hand, DirecTV gets hammered pretty hard for its HD picture quality and programming choice, and Charter is walloped on the customer and technical support sides. On the other hand, Charter subscribers are very happy with HD picture quality and DirecTV customers report feeling positively about the support they receive.

As always, I'd be interested any other comments or questions about this portion of the survey results, or any of the previous summaries.

NEXT: Rating Pay TV's HD Channels -- The next summary, probably available around the holiday break, will provide your ratings for each of the HD channels offered by the various services. Also over the holiday break, I'll provide some breakdowns on your favorite shows and channels in the areas of picture quality and sound quality, as well as the HD programming additions you'd most like to have available.

Previous Summaries

Part 1: Survey Respondents Profile

Part 2: Receiving Local Digital Stations

Part 3: Digital Multicasting Opinions

DISCLAIMER: AVS is in no way a party to this survey, apart from being a vehicle to promote the survey's availability and as an avenue to report back results. None of the questions or results should in any way be taken to represent the views or opinions of the management of AVS or its various partners.

DroptheRemote

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by duihlein
Nice. What type of PJ do you have? My AE700 is getting up there in hours.
Sharp XV-Z9000 DLP. It's a first generation projector, but I really have no need to change to a newer one as I love the picture it produces.

Scott

Scott Tucker

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmschultz
KETC has a different transmission tower location than the rest, so you might have to tweak
your antenna pointing. Check out http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx to see
where the towers are.
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=KETC

KETC's digital transmitter has an ERP of only 124 KW, and is 157 feet lower on the tower. Meppen is 60 KM/37 miles from KETC's tower, and is just within the 41 DB countour. If you're down in a hole, and not on one of Calhoun County's ridges, you might have a problem. Channel Master 4228, on a fifty foot tower, with a CM 7777 pre-amp time...

PinkSplice

St. Louis MO HDTV

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Full Article HERE

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

Just a quick question I'm hoping someone could answer.

I'm really considering buying a Panasonic TH-42PX60U.

The one thing holding me back is the "glare" issue. I plan on putting the TV in room with a lot of windows.

I currently have an LCD in this room, and have no complaints.

Should I be concerned, not concerned about too much glare?

BTW, what are peoples opinions of the TV itself?

Thanks for your input!

csluke

St. Louis MO HDTV

Interesting discussion going on here:

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=426776

It is becoming pretty impassioned lol. I'm glad that never happens here.

deuces

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by csluke
Just a quick question I'm hoping someone could answer.

I'm really considering buying a Panasonic TH-42PX60U.

The one thing holding me back is the "glare" issue. I plan on putting the TV in room with a lot of windows.

I currently have an LCD in this room, and have no complaints.

Should I be concerned, not concerned about too much glare?

BTW, what are peoples opinions of the TV itself?

Thanks for your input!
Excellent choice for a plasma. If an LCD looks good, I would think a plasma would look ok too. However, buy it from a local dealer that will allow returns and you have no worries. Live with it for 30 days and return for a full refund if it doesn't work out.

Scott

Scott Tucker

St. Louis MO HDTV

csluke,

Every manufacturer uses different coatings on flat-panel displays, and sometimes these even vary among different models from the same manufacturer. So, there's no definitive answer to your question. The only way you can answer this question is to actually view the display in a room with strong ambient light and decide if it works for you.

As for my opinion on these TVs, I believe that Panasonic makes the best flat-panels available, though the newest Pioneer plasmas are very, very close (though a fair bit more expensive). You might also want to look at the Panasonic commercial/professional models (Panasonic TH-42PH9UK), which are more adjustable and potentially a better value, depending on your needs. These models come without speakers, a stand or digital (DVI or HDMI) connections, though all of these are available as options. The nice thing about this approach is that if you don't need a stand (if you're wall-mounting) or speakers (if you have a surround system), then you don't pay for something you aren't going to use.

The commercial/professional models are primarily sold online, but they are also available at Costco. I'm sure Robert Simandl could take care of you...

DroptheRemote

St. Louis MO HDTV

Hi all thanks for the suggestions! Last night I got a little 30$ Philips powered antenna from Circuit City. I bumped up the Gain on it and it with the UHF element with its back to the KETC Transmitter, I received KETC 9-1 - 9-3. Unfortunately it also knocked down my other stations reception. I did a 2 way combiner. I was actually trying to pull in Springfield, IL stations, go figure. This antenna was from inside my house and Signal Strength was around 59. Is there any way I could add a second antenna without causing a signal drop in the other Digital Signals?

Many thanks for all the responses.

P.S.

If I have to get a Channel Master 4228 where can I get one in the St. Louis Area.

Peace,

Fr. Bill

frbill

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by frbill
Hi all thanks for the suggestions! Last night I got a little 30$ Philips powered antenna from Circuit City. I bumped up the Gain on it and it with the UHF element with its back to the KETC Transmitter, I received KETC 9-1 - 9-3. Unfortunately it also knocked down my other stations reception. I did a 2 way combiner. I was actually trying to pull in Springfield, IL stations, go figure. This antenna was from inside my house and Signal Strength was around 59. Is there any way I could add a second antenna without causing a signal drop in the other Digital Signals?

Many thanks for all the responses.

P.S.

If I have to get a Channel Master 4228 where can I get one in the St. Louis Area.

Peace,

Fr. Bill
For an antenna:
Skywalker
9390 Veterans Memorial Pkwy
O'Fallon, MO 63366
(800) 844-9555
(314) 272-8025
Fax (314) 272-8214

Their shipping charges are reasonable too.

There is an AVS forum, HDTV Reception Hardware. Do a search for joined antennas. Or Google it.

Edit: Skywalker's prices are really good. I paid $20 for a CM 4221, the little brother of the 4228. They have a lot of gain but are mediocre for directional. Still, the 4228 is a very good antenna.

MoInSTL

St. Louis MO HDTV

Bill,
There are not too many places who stock an 8-bay bow-tie on the shelf.
Antennasdirect would have one (DB8), but not a CM.

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

To add to Charters "great" technical support and customer support woes. I recently moved into a new house in Wentzville. When I sold my house in St. Chuck, I asked charter if I would be able to get the service at my new house. No problem they said. We put my service on "vacation hold" until the new house was built. So now I am in the new house and I have heard every answer from Charter's CS department. Everything from you have service to you will never have service. For two weeks now I have been trying to get someone to come to the house to look in the little green box in my back yard with charter flags all around it. I can't get anybody. So now I have 6 TV's in a newly built house with no picture. Kids are pissed, wife is pissed. Dish will only allow 4 TV's and you have to mount a dish. Plus, the dish guy told me they did not have an install date until after March!!! Subdivision does not allow OTA's on the outside of the house. Everywhere I turn is a brick wall. Guess I will have to take up reading. Maybe there will be some new HD books available :-)

scheerce

St. Louis MO HDTV

Oh ya, I don't have any internet access or phone service yet either. If it wasn't for unpacking, my wife and I would actually have to talk to each other......

oh ya, is there anything that a person could do with a motorola HD cable box if one were to have one laying around, hypothetically?

scheerce

St. Louis MO HDTV

Wrong. The subdivision can not ban OTA...Sorry..................

I'll swing by with an extra receiver and a DirecTV dish 4 ya :-)

DirecTV allows well over 4. I have 8 on my account now.

wmschultz

St. Louis MO HDTV

Dish allows over 4, but they told me I had to buy the equipment for about $200 per receiver. You are correct in that they can not ban, but they can put it in the by-laws and throw a fit along with your neighbors throwing a fit about it. I would throw a fit if my neighbors put up a ugly antenna too. Kids have to have the Disney Channel or I hear about it EVERY DAY!

DTV has a crappy HDTV lineup. As bad as Charter, but with charter I can at least run as many analog TV's as I want for free.

What is the latest word on the Dish install dates. A couple months ago everybody was getting bumped back and not getting anything installed. I can't believe the CSR's statement of no dates until after March.

scheerce

St. Louis MO HDTV

So, antennaweb shows me about about 35-40 miles away from the towers. Putting an antenna in the attic is difficult and cuts down on distance. If I were to go the OTA route, I would have to have both UHF and VHF. Only have one HDTV. Really 2 but the small HDTV does not have a built in tuner. I will just use it for SDTV unless there is some way to utilize a motorola HD-CATV box.

scheerce

St. Louis MO HDTV

I see Skywalker has a Crossfire 3678. I don't know if I would be able to get that between the rafters.

scheerce

St. Louis MO HDTV

Just say the word and I will give your wife a dish and receiver for loan.

My bro just got a new DISH installed last week, I think he just called and set it up.

wmschultz

St. Louis MO HDTV

Schreech,
Send an email to Dish Corp, ceo@echostar.com
Tell them you need an install this week, or you're going with cable.
You could also call AHDTS at 800-969-4388. They can take a new order. When they ask what your "technical" issue is, tell them the DISH people are giving you the run-around.

When you neighbors see those 1000+ or AT9 monster dishes, they'll only wish all you put up was an OTA antenna.

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jedi35
Is it just me, or do I sense that I'm getting the runaround here?
Obviously, you received a generic response from Customer Support at Motorola. You need someone in technical engineering or product development.

The Cable MSO's have no control over what Motorola puts in thier STB's though. They may have SOME influence, but Motorola controls the engineering of their own STB's. Cable co.'s just buy them.

Historically, they would just send units to be tested, ignore our feedback, deny problems and push the units out.

4113

4113

St. Louis MO HDTV

Thanks 4113. I'll probe Motorola a little further. I doubt that they'll respond with anything worth reporting, however.

jedi35

St. Louis MO HDTV

4113,

At this point in time, Dish is only using 8PSK on their HD channels. They are at 2 HD channels/transponder for current delivery and are testing 3 HD/transponder on the 148 Satellite.

Cheers,

John Kotches

St. Louis MO HDTV

On 4-1 during the PGA broadcast--in HD, I have long periods where the announcers voices disappear---it is really weird---I can here everything else--the birds, the crowd everything--it's as though the announcer's microphones are shut off. Toggling over to "regular" 4---off air--it is fine--the announcers can be heard.
Anybody else having this?----I can't imagine it's my set up--but not sure. No problem with the commercials!----
Thanks

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

Same as last weekend---the announcer's voices started to broadcast--maybe half way through the tournament. Just checked on the "national forum" and someone in Buffalo had the same experience.
What is that all about?

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Sommers
On 4-1 during the PGA broadcast--in HD, I have long periods where the announcers voices disappear---it is really weird---I can here everything else--the birds, the crowd everything--it's as though the announcer's microphones are shut off. Toggling over to "regular" 4---off air--it is fine--the announcers can be heard.
Anybody else having this?----I can't imagine it's my set up--but not sure. No problem with the commercials!----
Thanks
I had the same problem the last two weeks on 4-1. When i switch to DTV's east and west coast feeds there is sound, however. Call me weird, but i actually like it without the announcers. Kinda like being there. I would, however, like to know why KMOV's audio is doing this on the digital channel.

Scott

Scott Tucker

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by DroptheRemote
Joseph,

Do you know when VOOM decided to go with WM9? I had heard that the original plan was to switch to MPEG4 and that all the hardware they've sold was set up for that eventuality.

I know that MPEG4 uptake has been slowed significantly because the royalties are seen to be exorbitant. Maybe VOOM decided the same and when it wasn't able to extract better terms decided to go with Microsoft. I'm sure Microsoft would be pretty flexible as they're extremely eager to get a foothold in the professional codec marketplace.

I assume that VOOM could address any change by sending a firmware download.

Anyway, any chance you have any links that covers the VOOM move to WM9? I'd like to get more up to speed on this...
Doug,

Sorry to take so long to get back. It's the end of the semester and I haven't had much time. There's been quite a lot of news about WMV9 lately. Here's are a couple of links that talk about it.WM9 on Satellite Guys and More WMV News I've read different conjectures about the hardware side of things, but I think the box is already capable of decoding WMV9 , so a firmware upgrade seems likely. Microsoft has a bundle invested in this codec, so the strongarm tactics they've used in the past have no chance of working here. They'd be rejected outright. Apparently, their royalty demands are much more reasonable.

Joseph Clark

St. Louis MO HDTV

Well my modified Dishplayer locked up again last night. We had a lot of programs that we lost (including the begining of Survivor which did not make my wife happy), but most impotantly we lost the E2 episode of Enterprise. If anyone out there has a copy (even on VHS) I would gladly make it worth their while.

On the same note, now I am once again being forced to decide. Upgrade the DP to a PVR-721, or move to Cable when their HD-DVR comes out. Based on what I've seen if Charter trys to cram 3 HD channels down each 256 QAM Freq, I am afraid of how the image will be impacted when 2/3 channels are showing live or fast panning images. I hope Dish does not try to further compress their channels unless they can compensate for the extra bandwidth needed in these circumstances.

Does anyone here have any experience with the PVR-721? Has it been fairly stable? I've looked around the other forums and it does seem to be the most stable of Dish's recievers, but that does not really say much.

Thanks,
Dave

duihlein

St. Louis MO HDTV

4113 or anyone else...

Any word rumors on what new HD that Charter will be adding soon? I have heard Discovery being mentioned but nothing besides that - any guesses on what other channels Charter is actively negotiating to add?

THX


Bruce

abcward

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Robert Simandl
Never had a problem with 5.1 on either the HTL-HD or the old HD100. As I type this though, I've not tried that channel since Thursday and I'm not in the family room to flip it on now. Something happen Thursday?
I used to get a nice solid signal with out local NBC's digital station 5-1, but this past Thursday (5/6) it started bouncing between 0 and 36%. The last time I watched it (the previous Thursday on 4/29) it was fine. BTW, I have a Samsung TS160. All my other digital channels are fine and nothing has changed recently so that makes me wonder if something happened with the signal itself.

STL

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Scott Tucker
I had the same problem the last two weeks on 4-1. When i switch to DTV's east and west coast feeds there is sound, however. Call me weird, but i actually like it without the announcers. Kinda like being there. I would, however, like to know why KMOV's audio is doing this on the digital channel.

Scott
Yes, last weekend---I thought it was somekind of experiment---and found it interesting for about 5 minutes THEN I wanted the talking heads back.
Yesterday, the announcers came on around 4PM and stayed on for the rest of the broadcast.
What is this all about? Is it a KMOV problem?--Network?---are me and Scott the only two who experienced this (or are we the only two PGA fans)?

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Sommers
Yes, last weekend---I thought it was somekind of experiment---and found it interesting for about 5 minutes THEN I wanted the talking heads back.
Yesterday, the announcers came on around 4PM and stayed on for the rest of the broadcast.
What is this all about? Is it a KMOV problem?--Network?---are me and Scott the only two who experienced this (or are we the only two PGA fans)?
It wasn't just you two! I started watching the PGA tourny around 3:50, and heard no announcers (just background music) until sometime after 4:00. It was strange seeing the announcer's "pen marks" on the screen as they critiqued swings in slo-mo without hearing what they meant by the scribbles .

StLouisRod

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by duihlein
Well my modified Dishplayer locked up again last night. We had a lot of programs that we lost (including the begining of Survivor which did not make my wife happy), but most impotantly we lost the E2 episode of Enterprise. If anyone out there has a copy (even on VHS) I would gladly make it worth their while.

...
Thanks,
Dave
Can you play DVD-R? If so, I can do that.

jdonigan

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Can you play DVD-R? If so, I can do that.

Why yes I can. Please PM me.

Thanks a bunch!!

duihlein

St. Louis MO HDTV

Charter HD box question:

I currently have Dish Network and one of the features of their tuner is the VCR blaster. Basically it allows me to select a program to record from the program guide and it will start the VCR recording at the given time. Does the HD box Charter uses support this type of feature?

Thanks,

Steve

sconstan

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by StLouisRod
It wasn't just you two! I started watching the PGA tourny around 3:50, and heard no announcers (just background music) until sometime after 4:00. It was strange seeing the announcer's "pen marks" on the screen as they critiqued swings in slo-mo without hearing what they meant by the scribbles .
So, what's happening on this?--Anybody??? It's obviously not all of our equipment mal functioning---is it KMOV or the network?

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

I think it is part of their 5.1. During the football season I had to turn up my center channel all the way and turn down my Fronts and Rears so I could hear the announcers. Unfortunately, no matter how loud I turned it up Phil Simms didn't get smarter.

wmschultz

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by wmschultz
I think it is part of their 5.1. During the football season I had to turn up my center channel all the way and turn down my Fronts and Rears so I could hear the announcers. Unfortunately, no matter how loud I turned it up Phil Simms didn't get smarter.
Yea I remember that issue as well - it was almost like you were in the stadium, lots of crowd noise and public address announcer....volume of tv announcers was very low.

abcward

St. Louis MO HDTV

Don't believe that's it---as said---about 1/2 through---the audio was perfect--the announcers had suddenly turned on their mics.
Maybe it's a network issue--I posted this same Q on the national HDTV forum and a guy from Buffalo said he experienced the same thing.

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

Dave to answer your questions:

1. I asusme your talking about the Regal at the St. Louis Mills. The digital presentations are for alternative content such as the Prince concert and the others you saw. It is not playing the feature film.

2. Eventually feature presentations will be in digital, but that won't be until the industry rolls out digital cinema, and it won't be on what your seeing currently.

3. They are using high end LCD projectors. That is why you don't see anything about it when you do searches for DLP.

The Prince concert for example was great, it looked and sounded great.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Beebe
I saw this is today's Post Dispatch:



I then went to the St. Louis Mills Cinema website for movie times this link and saw that they have some other "live" broadcast events planned. I next went to the Texas Instruments DLP website and they didn't list any DLP cinemas in the area.

This is the first I've heard of something like this in the St. Louis area. The big AMC 25 in the Chicago suburb of Naperville was the closest digital projection theater to the St. Louis area.
  • When did the cinema at St. Louis Mills start doing digital presentations?
  • Are they going to start doing movies in digital projection?
  • What technology are they using? They're not using TI's DLP.

While I know this isn't truly home theater and HDTV I figured that many St. Louis HT/HDTV enthusiasts would be fans of digital projection technology at the theater. (The rare times that we now go since we have our HDTVs)

Haderak

St. Louis MO HDTV

sconstan,

The Charter HD box does have an IR Blaster port on the back, and my info menu shows that it is active. However, I can't find a menu feature that allows the user to setup vcr control for recording. Perhaps that's coming in a future software upgrade.

jedi35

St. Louis MO HDTV

...been slow in here lately... someone come up with a hot topic

abcward

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by abcward
...been slow in here lately... someone come up with a hot topic
Maybe when Charter introduces a new HD channel or the Moxi/Motorola DVR.

dweebe

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Beebe
Maybe when Charter introduces a new HD channel or the Moxi/Motorola DVR.
Sounds good, guess we'll talk in November then.....maybe.

abcward

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by jedi35

The Charter HD box does have an IR Blaster port on the back, and my info menu shows that it is active. However, I can't find a menu feature that allows the user to setup vcr control for recording. Perhaps that's coming in a future software upgrade.
Thanks for the response jedi. Actually, I was only contacting Charter just to get pipeline since it is finally available in the city and the rep gave me the sales pitch; $87 for everything, pipeline, full blown cable with all the premiums and HD through the end of the year. But if there is not a similar way to record shows as I do with dish I think I am just going to wait for the DVR. For what its worth, the rep told me a July release for the DVR in St. Louis.

Steve

sconstan

St. Louis MO HDTV

The DVR---# HR10-250 is apparently now shipping (Direct TV)---however, people are waiting in line for it. On ebay---they are bidding it up over MSRP.
FYI

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

Sorry--your a Charter fan---as I now see.
IMHO--I'd look at Direct TV now with this new box--I'm paying about $45 a month (obviously no broadband--but you can get that from SWB for $26.99 a month)--the Direct pkig is total choice PLUS the HD package (ESPN-HD, HD net etc)---don't get HBO etc--
FYI

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

sounds like his Charter deal is better than your DirecTV/SWB deal imho. All the channels including premium movies plus cable internet is substantially faster... $87 is a steal too - I pay more than that.

abcward

St. Louis MO HDTV

I am not necessarily a Charter fan, but you forgot to add in the $999 for the HD-Tivo unit compared to $10 a month for the Charter DVR, hard to justify the price difference. Also, I am a legacy SWB DSL user so I am stuck at $49.95/month for sub par service. And unfortunately the lobbyists made the law so I have to cancel DSL with one provider before I can sign up with another so who knows how long I would be without broadband.

Steve

sconstan

St. Louis MO HDTV

ON Sjust call them up and tell them you want the $29.99 rate---I was at $50 too---simple to do and get

Sommers

St. Louis MO HDTV

I am a newbie to OTA HD. I have DirecTV now and am contemplating haivng them come do the upgrade thing.... I bought a TERK non-amplified indoor antenna, and can get everything except for KDNL 30-1 on that. So then I buy the TERK HDTVo and stick it in the attic, now I get everything BUT KMOV 4-1..... I am looking at the tower map froem prev in this thread and they all (towers) look fairly close together, is the signal that narrow? Any other solutions to try before I shell out the $$ to DTV?

p.s. I am in Belleville Ill, relatively flat terrain, no large buildings

jcorbin121

St. Louis MO HDTV

Hi All,
My duaghter has just moved to the Kansas City area and she wants to get a Dish satellite with HD and a DVR. Since I am a cable susbscriber I don't know anything about satellite systems. Should she just call the national number or are there local reps where she might get a better deal or terms?
Thanks,
pwsher

PWSHER

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymerkramer
Microsoft is working on a patch for the audio problems, supposibly they are going to add the ability to convert all the the audio to a DTS stream so the full 1.5mb stream can be output. They have a full team dedicated to this project, so we should see some updates soon. All of my DVD backups are on DVD-R, all of mine have worked to this point. I have tried the ones on cheapo Phillips DVD-R and quality Fuji DVD-R. Both played with no issues. I am very impressed with the player so far. Once the audio problems get worked out it will be a really good bargain. Wife got me Chronicles of Ridick for christmas and it is an awesome display for HD-DVD.
So you're saying your Xbox360 HD-DVD add-on will play DVD-R's? I tried probably 10 different ones from Sony, Memorex, Verbatim, and Fuji on mine and none played. The only thing I could get to play was DVD+R's.

Scott

Scott Tucker

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jcorbin121
I am a newbie to OTA HD. I have DirecTV now and am contemplating haivng them come do the upgrade thing.... I bought a TERK non-amplified indoor antenna, and can get everything except for KDNL 30-1 on that. So then I buy the TERK HDTVo and stick it in the attic, now I get everything BUT KMOV 4-1..... I am looking at the tower map froem prev in this thread and they all (towers) look fairly close together, is the signal that narrow? Any other solutions to try before I shell out the $$ to DTV?

p.s. I am in Belleville Ill, relatively flat terrain, no large buildings
http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx
After you lock on to your Zip Code, going to the Street Level Map will show you the individual tower locations.

You should be able to accomplish this without DTV. It is probably just a matter of probing, and getting your OTA antenna pointed correctly. If you don't have one already, an inexpensive compass is very helpful.

You cannot be off by very much already. At 18 miles, 2, 4, 5, 11 & 30 are within a few degrees of each other. Check Antennaweb...but I'd guess the Bellville heading is just about due-west, around 270-280?.

kdg454

St. Louis MO HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by PWSHER
Hi All,
My duaghter has just moved to the Kansas City area and she wants to get a Dish satellite with HD and a DVR. Since I am a cable susbscriber I don't know anything about satellite systems. Should she just call the national number or are there local reps where she might get a better deal or terms?
Thanks,
pwsher
Pwsher,
You should remain direct with DISH. You can do the entire order online, via their website, or by calling them. There is an area of their site called "DishBuilder." It's interactive, easy to understand and navigate. You select your receivers, programming, and place the order.

As a rule, retailers, do not always provide the same "deals" DISH does.

kdg454

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