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Updated: 2008-06-08 07:47:12 (1302)
Peoria IL HDTV

I finally got all of the OTA's for Peoria/Bloominton locked in this week. I'm now getting WHOI, WEEK, WMBD, WYZZ, WTVP, and WAOE (all on one Channel Master Stealth Antenna using the VOOM receiver). Anyway, my question is why aren't WHOI and WMBD passing along any of the HD content.

I know Fox as a company won't be producing HD content until this fall, but does anyone know if WYZZ plans on carrying it? It's a little upsetting. I've gone to all the trouble of getting the antenna working finally and now these guys are too cheap/lazy to pass along the national HD feeds. What gives?

I know there is a Central Illinois thread already, but it seems mostly devoted to Champaign and Springfield. I'd like to specifically have a thread about the Peoria/Bloomington Illinois area.

*** EDITED - Made this a Peoria/Bloomington Thread since old Central Illinois thread is now labled Champaign, IL ***

Answers: Peoria IL HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Peoria IL HDTV

Yeah, I'm thinking a rotator is the way to go... or, *maybe* I could get away with stacking another yagi or even the 4228..

I'll take a look at the CM 7777 pre-amp. Anyone have a good rotator in mind that would work with my RadioShack U-75R?

sgilani

Peoria IL HDTV

I don't know the name of the antenna. It was included in the direct tv install. I am sure it isn't too sophisticated. the irony of the whole situation is that it brings in every other station fine. WHOI said that WEEK's tower is closer to my Heyworth home and that's why i receive their feed better. I disagree with the assumption that's why. WEEK's signal is like 99 percent and WHOI is a whopping 0-54, consistently fluctuating.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

19-1 seems to be in and out, thie morning, in Eureka.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

I just got back from a week at my parents' and I noticed that WYZZ has added The Tube on 43.2. They finally put the HD back on 43.1 and The Tube is on 43.2.

I'm liking The Tube so far...I've seen a few music videos I haven't seen in a long time.

The audio and video are not synced though.

:-)

Chris
-Peoria, IL

netchris

Peoria IL HDTV

I see their HD feed on 43.1 and 43.3. It gets choppy once in a while now that it's on both.

exit57

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by exit57
I see their HD feed on 43.1 and 43.3. It gets choppy once in a while now that it's on both.
I noticed that 43.1 and 43-3 were choppy, too. I'm glad it's not just me.

Have 19 and 25 been messing around with their transmitters. 19-1 and 25-1 don't come in for long periods of time, and only register 15-20% on my meter. They used to register 50-60.

I'm in Eureka.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

I'll delurk to make a couple of observations. I've had my new Dell W4201C plasma for a couple of months now. I've been fiddling around with an old (15 years) antenna and rotor that I put up on the roof to watch CART (Champcar now) races on channel 17 since channel 19 would sometimes not show them back then. I was pretty surprized that the rotor still worked. I hadn't touched it in ten years!

I hope that most of the problems I've noticed will go away when I run new coax and put a new antenna up. The only reliable HD channels I get are the WEEK ones. WYZZ would have made this a list of 2 up until last week. Now WYZZ is there 99 % of the time, but drops audio every 1-2 minutes for a couple of seconds. I recorded MADTV last Saturday on my Insight DVR from HD channel 763 and it recorded very similar dropouts. I never have seen that before when using the DVR on any channel.

Two months ago I got WTVP on 47.1 47.2 and 47.3 most of the time pretty good, but now it's on-off-on-off every 10 seconds or so. And whats up with that crud picture on 47.3? If thats the best they can do, why bother?

WMBD only once on 31.1 .... I guess they're still tweaking. ;-)

WHOI about 50% of the time on 19.1 I recorded Boston Legal the other night on Insight box. Why do they switch to SD before the show ends?!?

Like I said most of these problems are probably my own fault due to old coax and antenna.

btw, I live on west side of Morton.

nofenders

Peoria IL HDTV

I suspect that some stations may be recovering from storm damage since several of them went off the air for extended periods during thunderstorms with power outages. WEEK must have it's own power generators since they were back on the air immediately while WMBD and WYZZ stayed off for hours.

WMBD: still low power and SD; I'm not holding my breath on their upgrade.

47.3: With one HD and two SD channels it's starved for bandwidth and resolution plus it was probably a low budget production. Maybe it's just a "proof of concept" for multicasting.

WHOI: You should have seen when they cut off the HD feed before I contacted Steve Tarter (Journal Star TV writer). They were cutting off at the last commercial break. They changed after the PJStar commented on it and made it to the credits before the switch. I have not been watching lately since they are in reruns and since I use DVRs I never watch reruns (or commercials) so I don't know when they are switching now.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

43.3 isn't even coming in for me today, even though it's showing near 90% on the signal meter. 43-1 comes in fine, but it looks more like SD than HD on the Sox game today. Picture quality is pretty poor.

canaugle

Peoria IL HDTV

WHOI has added an SD simulcast to it's digital broadcast. They are probably getting ready for the CW network they're going to be simulcasting. Unfortunately that would make it seem that the CW will not be in HD in Peoria unless they buy some nifty new equipment for rate shaping (at least I think that's the term for the equipment that makes 2 HD broadcast streams barely possible - just not desireable in my opinion).

WYZZ was pretty jumpy for me too, although the "Tube" is back on.

I just did a fresh channel scan and found that Insight has addded WYZZ Tube but it seems to be encrypted on cable but in the clear OTA. At least temporarily, Bravo is available in clear QAM on Insight, physical channel 100-7; I don't know the virtual number used by insight. Since this is a simulcast of analog Bravo, this could be the start of ADS (analog-digital-simulcast) for Insight. Hopefully they will do something like this for the NFLnetwork. I haven't seen any mention of the current negotiations that are taking place accross the country between the NFL and cablecos as it would pertain to our local cable.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

What are the chances WMBD TV has its act together and is ready to broadcast Friday night's Bears/Chargers game in HD?

james72

Peoria IL HDTV

CBS.com doesn't even list that game as being shown in HD. Titantv.com, and the Tivo guide also do not say it's HD.

exit57

Peoria IL HDTV

HD Sports guide lists the Bears and Chargers on nation wide HD 1080i. If WMBD is ready, it's available. Let's hope.
http://www.hdsportsguide.com/

flyingfan

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by james72
What are the chances WMBD TV has its act together and is ready to broadcast Friday night's Bears/Chargers game in HD?
I emailed the WMBD station manager Kevin Harlan and he replied that "We're working on it. Weather and parts are a significant factor. We hope to flip the switch around the first of September".

james72

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by james72
What are the chances WMBD TV has its act together and is ready to broadcast Friday night's Bears/Chargers game in HD?
We can only hope. But the main thing is they have it up before the regular season starts.

willymac

Peoria IL HDTV

I was kinda hoping that the US Open was going to be in HD . . . Damn

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsandy
I was kinda hoping that the US Open was going to be in HD . . . Damn

HD sports guide

If you use this it will show you when all of the games will be in HD. I believe CBS showed the last weekend in HD last year.

thumperxr69

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by thumperxr69
HD sports guide

If you use this it will show you when all of the games will be in HD. I believe CBS showed the last weekend in HD last year.
I think he means he wont be able to see it in hd because wmbd hd wont be up and running in hd yet.

BigJeff

Peoria IL HDTV

All he said if the US Open would be in HD.

thumperxr69

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by willymac
Also more good news and some confirmation on the WMBD deal. Wonder though what that NFL Net Games is.




Dear Mr. McHenry,

Thank you for your recent email regarding the addition of more HD ready
channels.

One of the issues with adding new services is that the contract negotiations
often take months and sometimes even a year or more. The good news is we are
adding TNT within 60 days, we also will be adding an events channel on which
we will be able to put the NFL Net games. CBS, Federal law prohibits us from
importing another CBS affiliate into another network market. But even in
this case, the news is good. If all goes as planned, WMBD will be
broadcasting in HD by the end of the summer.

Insight Communications

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:10 AM
To:
Subject: Website Feedback Form: HDTV


Website visitor information:
William McHenry
8 Hale Ct
Normal IL 61761
(309)454-5683



Current Customer? yes

Topic of feedback:
- HDTV

Comments:
When are we going to get more HD content like TNT and CBS
I popped in the Insight office last week to exchange my mom's old cable box and asked them about TNT HD. The CSR at the counter told me that they weren't sure when it would be coming. I emailed Insight on Tuesday asking them when new HD content would be coming. I haven't heard back yet.

I am getting a little concerned with the lack of new HD on Insight. Both Dish and DTV have or will be adding Comcast and FSMW HD channels. They both also have ESPN2HD, HGTV-HD and 2 HD Event channels. Dish also has Voom and just uplinked INHD, which is supposed to be offered within 30 - 60 days to subs. I know the CBS HD problem is beyond their control and getting WMBD HD by Sept. 1 will help, but what about keeping up with the competition?

I switched over to Insight from Dish back in Feb but if Insight doesn't make a committment to add some quality new programming soon, I may have to rethink my setup.

james72

Peoria IL HDTV

I am getting a new HD TV. I have one now and use an OTA tuner to get some of the local HD channels, but haven't done much else with it. The new one can take a cablecard and has QAM. I am pretty new to this, so what will be my best set-up with Insight? I currently just get the basic and classic cable -- I do not have a cable box. If I want the cable HD programming (ESPN HD, etc.), can I get a cablecard from Insight to do this? If I hook the cable up, will that help with the signal for local HD stations (QAM)? TIA

Jim

jjeglb

Peoria IL HDTV

I recieved this response on AUG 7th from Insight.

Dear Mr. Lambert,

Thank you for your email regarding additional HD channel to our
line-up. We
are happy to announce the addition of WMBD-HD will begin August 19,
2006.
We also begin offering TNT, ESPN2 and a new sports event channel that
will
feature NFL Net programming October 25, 2006.

Insight

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

I switched last Dec. I've been thinking the same thing. I still have my dish up. One of the reasons I switched was that I did not want to add a second dish to get the HD content. Plus having the internet and cable all in one was cheaper then my dish and verizon.


Quote:
Originally Posted by james72
I popped in the Insight office last week to exchange my mom's old cable box and asked them about TNT HD. The CSR at the counter told me that they weren't sure when it would be coming. I emailed Insight on Tuesday asking them when new HD content would be coming. I haven't heard back yet.

I am getting a little concerned with the lack of new HD on Insight. Both Dish and DTV have or will be adding Comcast and FSMW HD channels. They both also have ESPN2HD, HGTV-HD and 2 HD Event channels. Dish also has Voom and just uplinked INHD, which is supposed to be offered within 30 - 60 days to subs. I know the CBS HD problem is beyond their control and getting WMBD HD by Sept. 1 will help, but what about keeping up with the competition?

I switched over to Insight from Dish back in Feb but if Insight doesn't make a committment to add some quality new programming soon, I may have to rethink my setup.

willymac

Peoria IL HDTV

I guess Insight was not telling me the truth when they said CBSHD would be on friday....I don't have it, does anyone else?

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

Insight can't go HD on CBS until WMBD goes HD and WMBD has been delaying it, month by month. In all likelyhood, when they do go HD (and full power?) it will probably crash on a regular basis until all of the bugs get worked out. If they don't make it by Halloween then the weather will probably delay it until next Spring. I have lots of confidence in them.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

I read here that WMBD HD was supposed to be available on Insight today but so far nothing. I checked my OTA and 31.1 is there and the channel info says 480I. I punched in 30.1, 30.2, and 30.3 also just for kicks and all 3 of those channels are active too. All 3 say 480I, look fair at best and pixelate quite a bit.

nofenders

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by nofenders
I read here that WMBD HD was supposed to be available on Insight today but so far nothing. I checked my OTA and 31.1 is there and the channel info says 480I. I punched in 30.1, 30.2, and 30.3 also just for kicks and all 3 of those channels are active too. All 3 say 480I, look fair at best and pixelate quite a bit.
What are 30.1, 30.2 and 30.3 showing? 30.2 should be NBC Weather Plus...

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

57.2 is NBC Weather Plus

exit57

Peoria IL HDTV

I have a Dell W4201C plasma. I guess the way it handles it's OTA channel selection is different than some. I just tried channel 57.2 and 25.1 showed up on the screen. 57.1 and 57.3 also take me to 25.1.

46.1, 46.2, and 46.3 all take me to 47.1, but 47.1, 47.2 and 47.3 are 3 different PBS channels.

My hair hurts.

nofenders

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebenste
What are 30.1, 30.2 and 30.3 showing? 30.2 should be NBC Weather Plus...
They are all (when I push channel info button) "WMBD-DT 480I 31.1"

nofenders

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by nofenders
They are all (when I push channel info button) "WMBD-DT 480I 31.1"
Thanks, everyone! Well, it looks like the PSIP might be messed up as they prepare to finish their upgrade. To be fair to WMBD, when they go 800 kw
it's going to have a blazing signal, probably almost all the way to Champaign.
2 subchannels will hurt the 1080i UNLESS they do dynamic bit allocation
like WLS-DT in Chicago does. Since they will have the latest generation of encoders, it may look very nice despite two subchannels.

With WCIA in Champaign going HD/full power by October 1, central Illinois finally gets to see CBS in HD.

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

It can be difficult to keep track of the differences between virtual and physical channel numbers. That's one of the reasons why cable companies use virtual numbers that have no relationship to physical channels. (ie 200, 700, etc)

Locally, physical 30.x is the digital feed of broadcast analog 31. (CBS)
Physical 57.x is the digital feed of broadcast analog 25. (NBC)
Physical 28.x is the digital feed of broadcast analog 43. (FOX)
Physical 40.x is the digital feed of broadcast analog 19. (ABC)
Physical 46.x is the digital feed of broadcast analog 47. (PBS)
Physical 39.x is the digital feed of broadcast analog 59. (UPN to be MyTvNetwork)

The CW will be on a subchannel of WHOI when they go live.

If the station is including the necessary information in the digital stream, then some tuners will label the digital channel with virtual numbers (and some won't). Anything with 19.x, 25.x, 31.x, 43.x, 47.x; with a number greater than 1 would be a virtual number of the digital stream. (I think a .1 indicates the analog station, but I'm not positive about that)

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

It does not look like they are broadcasting in HD yet, but Inisght just added WMBD to its line up on channel 762.

I hate the slow progress WMBD is making, but it appears this may be one step closer.

Cheerbo1

Peoria IL HDTV

Nope I dont think so either. Not bad SD picture quality though

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

I think it might be an HD feed directly from NYC. When I got home early evening, there was 16x9 bars. Then tonight I didn't see any local switches. Was any of the programming from CBS in HD tonight?

I had corresponded with WMBD earlier in the week and they indicated they were going to try to get the HD feed up via Insight cable for the HD tennis all weekend. I for one am estatic to see this progress (it has been a long time coming). We will have to see tomorrow if we are getting the true and direct HD feed. I can't wait.

PS - They also indicated that OTA broadcast was still several weeks away.

dgreen

Peoria IL HDTV

Through Insight on 762, I'm only getting sound with a frozen picture. Anyone getting more than that right now?

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

same here..sound but no picture

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

got picture now for the commercials..lets see if the tennis is on when it goes back to the match

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

CBS HD on the air thru Insight

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

As of 12:55 9/3/06 I get picture and sound on Insight channel 762. And best of all, it's a great picture and sound! I've only been waiting since June, I bet some of you guys thought you would never see the day.

nofenders

Peoria IL HDTV

Any idea what physical channel they are at? My PC tuner only does physical channels (2-125) not the virtual numbering that cable does. I didn't find anything during my last scan. For instance, WHOI-DT is at 113-2.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by nofenders
I've only been waiting since June, I bet some of you guys thought you would never see the day.
Coming through good here. It has been a long, long, long time. I'm really pleased to see this up and going today. I believe it is only 2.0 sound, but the picture looks good. I'll take it. Thank you.

Hopefully the plan for tomorrow is to keep the HD feed on tennis while the SD feed is the telethon. dg

dgreen

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgreen
Coming through good here. It has been a long, long, long time. I'm really pleased to see this up and going today. I believe it is only 2.0 sound, but the picture looks good. I'll take it. Thank you.

Hopefully the plan for tomorrow is to keep the HD feed on tennis while the SD feed is the telethon. dg
I'm only getting 2.0 sound as well. Will WMBD carry true 5.1 when finished (like WYZZ) or will it only be 2.0 (like WEEK and WHOI)?

Have we confirmed if this is a local feed through WMBD, or is it a feed out of NYC as someone suggested? Just curious, because I've seen a lot of high-def (or at least 16x9 wide) commercials and no local spots yet.

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

anyone know if a dish networks subscriber in the peoria area would be able to petition his provider to broadcast the CBS HD east or something temporarily until WMBD is able to get their OTA broadcasts enabled?

Is the fact that the local insight cable is currently using a NY CBS HD feed evidence enough that it is legally ok for a cable/satillite provider to do this?

wcaughey

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by wcaughey
anyone know if a dish networks subscriber in the peoria area would be able to petition his provider to broadcast the CBS HD east or something temporarily until WMBD is able to get their OTA broadcasts enabled?
I don't know if any dish subscribers have tried but the question was put to Insight and the response was that WMBD has the authority to forbid distant signals and have exercised that option.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
I don't know if any dish subscribers have tried but the question was put to Insight and the response was that WMBD has the authority to forbid distant signals and have exercised that option.
I used to have dish and applied for multiple waivers for CBS distants, and WMBD shot me down every time, almost immediately after I emailed them. I finally "moved" to a Chicago address and was immediately eligible for CBS HD out of NY. Man it was sweet watching CSI in HD.....

Anyhow, I hope channel 762 doesn't disappoint, since it took so long to get here....

james72

Peoria IL HDTV

They better get that OTA going soon. Good thing CBS is the least watched of the four networks for me.

exit57

Peoria IL HDTV

Anyone on this thread subscribe to DirecTv? Just looking to get a perspective. I will keep Insight and am planning to put up an antenna for locals, but need my NFL from D*

Thinker

Peoria IL HDTV

The CBS HD feed of Labor Day tennis is up on Insight 762!

dgreen

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinker
Anyone on this thread subscribe to DirecTv? Just looking to get a perspective. I will keep Insight and am planning to put up an antenna for locals, but need my NFL from D*
Thinker, are you looking for picture quality??? If so stay with Insight. Or, go to American TV and compare the TV's that are on DirectTV vs. Cable. I think you'll be surprised. I was astounded at the difference.

I think 762 is direct from NY. The Muscular Distrophy telethon in on WMBD and tennis is on 762. Excellent picture quality though.

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

My tuner found HD tennis today on 108.13.

rpav1

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kurajo
Thinker, are you looking for picture quality??? If so stay with Insight. Or, go to American TV and compare the TV's that are on DirectTV vs. Cable. I think you'll be surprised. I was astounded at the difference.

I think 762 is direct from NY. The Muscular Distrophy telethon in on WMBD and tennis is on 762. Excellent picture quality though.
I agree. Compared to dish network, insight standard cable looks better. HD is very similar.

Regarding 762, the tennis looked great in HD. However, around 9 pm last night, all I got was sound and no picture. Not sure if insight can't show NYC local programming or if there was a problem with their feed (I suspect the latter was the case).

james72

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kurajo
Thinker, are you looking for picture quality??? If so stay with Insight. Or, go to American TV and compare the TV's that are on DirectTV vs. Cable. I think you'll be surprised.
Oh, I have no probs with cable, it's an NFL football issue. I am a lowly Viking fan, so I must bow to DirecTv's exclusivity to watch my purple.

I used to get HDTV in Minneapolis via OTA and CATV, and both looked great. What's insight charge for the HDTV feeds of local OTA? Maybe I'll add that....as I doubt D* is anywhere near ready to carry local HDs and, when they do, it will be Divx (MPEG4) quality.

Thinker

Peoria IL HDTV

no hd content tonight on wmbd...i hope it just temporary

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

Hey People, I just spoke with engineers on the phone this afternoon and he said the reason the OTA isn't up and running is because he is the only one working on it. He has a lot of equipment to get up and that he doesn't know how to do install it. It sound kind of lame to me...but what can you do?

I told him that maybe they should hire someone familar with the system, and to give more helping hands. He hung up on me.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinker
Oh, I have no probs with cable, it's an NFL football issue. I am a lowly Viking fan, so I must bow to DirecTv's exclusivity to watch my purple.

I used to get HDTV in Minneapolis via OTA and CATV, and both looked great. What's insight charge for the HDTV feeds of local OTA? Maybe I'll add that....as I doubt D* is anywhere near ready to carry local HDs and, when they do, it will be Divx (MPEG4) quality.
Well, its 2.95 a month for a cable card. The locals come free with that. The HD pack is 7.95 more.

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

Hey everyone, I received an email from Kevin H (station manager) of WMBD. The 31-1 station will be down from tomorrow until tuesday so WMBD can get the antenna up! He said that DIRECTV has a deal worked out with WMBD where they will provide HD programming on the channel until they are up and running again!

Great News for us football fans!

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Do you know if us DirecTV customers need to do anything or will the national CBS HD broadcast just show up?

I have repeatedly applied for waivers, knowing I would be denied, but it is still fun to annoy and remind WMBD that there are customers that want CBS HD. The problem is, the waivers takes 30-45 days.

I was just wondering if we need to apply for waivers again to get the DNS CBS-HD feed.

Thanks

dwcrosby

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cbsstinks
Hey People, I just spoke with engineers on the phone this afternoon and he said the reason the OTA isn't up and running is because he is the only one working on it. He has a lot of equipment to get up and that he doesn't know how to do install it. It sound kind of lame to me...but what can you do?

I told him that maybe they should hire someone familar with the system, and to give more helping hands. He hung up on me.
Be nice to them...this is new for EVERY engineer who has to do this. One guy doing it? Ye cats...kudos to him for busting his can like this! As I said before, it's not a local issue for the delays, it's at company HQ. The poor guys at MBD are doing the best they can with what they are given.

And 800 KW is a lot to give.

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwcrosby
Do you know if us DirecTV customers need to do anything or will the national CBS HD broadcast just show up?

I have repeatedly applied for waivers, knowing I would be denied, but it is still fun to annoy and remind WMBD that there are customers that want CBS HD. The problem is, the waivers takes 30-45 days.

I was just wondering if we need to apply for waivers again to get the DNS CBS-HD feed.

Thanks

He told me it should be on the 31-1 channel. I looked at it this morning and it looks like a hi def channel with the bars across the top and bottom (like a wide screen). I am waiting for an HD program to be broadcast so i can verify it.

It does look much different than the feed I was receiving as of monday!

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Thanks,

My problem is the current signal on 31-1 is so weak I don't get it.

Oh well, I have grown very used to waiting for WMBD.

Thanks for the info.

dwcrosby

Peoria IL HDTV

Whats up everybody newbie here Got a question I just bought a new lcd tv with the tuner in it and also bought the rca indoor ant145 antenna. I got it home (pekin) and the only channels i could get in hd are channel 25 and channel 47 had like 3 of them. How do i get fox and abc and the rest of them? Do i need a better antenna or what? thanks for the help!

blackstang

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsandy
WYZZ - DT Seems to be having problems with the part that tells our tuners to look for it on 43-1. Try looking for WYZZ on 28-3, letting your tuner do a new scan.

. . . Bud

Thanks for the 28-3 information. I didn't have any luck with it though. Both 43-1 and 28-3 are coming in at 100% according to the signal meter. I've gotten 43-1 many times before, the last time was this weekend (I think).

I'm having the same issue on two different STB's, one is a Samsung HD box, the other is a new Direct TV HD box.

I've also had trouble getting a good signal on 19-1 lately. It comes in most of the time but breaks up. I'm in Bloomington and I can get 17-1, 17-2, 25-1, 25-2 fine, of course that's two NBC stations now. 31-1 has been dead for awhile now. WB 23-1 use to come in also and now that ones pretty much hit or miss also. I wonder if my antenna has gotten moved somehow.

I've always gotten a good signal from 43-1 before but I read that on Monday's it doesn't come in. I was wondering if anyone else is currently getting 43-1? It's still dead for me on Wednesday AM.

TAR61704

Peoria IL HDTV

I am getting 43-1 now. I got a H20 box this week and it has a pretty good signal meter on it. 19-1 is between 35-55. Which appears to be just a tad too low to hold a solid picture.

43-1 is 95-100%, so it appears it's problem isn't lack of power, at least here in Bloomington.

TAR61704

Peoria IL HDTV

Hello, just wanted to let you know that I'm getting a simulcast of WYZZ on channels 27-5 and 27-6. I have a DirecTV H-20 receiver. Anyone else getting this?

BTW... I did email WEEK about the Weather Plus channel (25-2), as zaphod7501 suggested, and this was their response:

WEEK will localize this 24/7 weather channel soon. The exact timetable is a little uncertain since there is some equipment that still needs to be purchased and installed. We hope within the year, but can't guarantee that.


Mark A. DeSantis

Pres./General Manager WEEK

Thanks zaphod7501 for the suggestion.

bearz 34

Peoria IL HDTV

Yes, I have also been getting 27-5 and 27-6. Plenty of Fox and NBC now, 19-1 and 31-1 don't come in for me though so I'm not getting any digital ABC or CBS.

TAR61704

Peoria IL HDTV

On my PC tuner card (MyHD MDP-130) 27-5 has a designation of "East" and 27-6 is called "Mntn".

I'd almost think that they're getting ready to simulcast something that isn't ready yet. Perhaps WMBD HD will go there, or they are trying to cover more geographical area by directionalizing antennas??

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

WYZZ channels 27-5 and 27-6 are now gone from my H20 receiver. They disappeared June 7th. By odd chance, does anyone else still have them?

bearz 34

Peoria IL HDTV

Any update on WMBD's (CBS) progress or timeline on the conversion to HD?

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by grdn2
Any update on WMBD's (CBS) progress or timeline on the conversion to HD?
July is the last I heard as of about 3 weeks ago. I also heard that they will be airing UPN 59's HD signal

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

This is official news I've heard straight from their newscast.

For anyone who Watched WMBD news yesterday @ 6 or 10, you'll already know this.

Also, WMBD has became the first nation in the area, and one of the first nationwide to debut an all-digital newsroom. They've been testing the new equippment since January before switching over about a week ago.

News editing will be much, much slicker. No more video tape, all memory cards. This will work quite nicely with thier upcoming Hi-Definition conversion come the first part of August. Now this is just a target date, it could be sooner or later depending on how smooth everything goes. But at last, an official announcment from WMBD on this issue.


Jokinjer1

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
The only reason WMBD analog ever went stereo was that their transmitter broke and they couldn't buy a mono one anymore.
It's not just the transmitter, but all the other equippment that hooks up to the transmitter as well, that allows full-stereo broadcast. Back in 1989, WMBD spent in the neighborhood of $100,000 to convert to stereo, which would be way higher now.

Yet WTVP had a 1981 monophonic transmitter which was converted to a stereo trasmitter in 1994 by, what they told me, using some $35,000 in equippment to modify the transmitter itself.

WHOI had a transmitter from the early 1970's which was almost entirely rebuilt in 1982. That trasmitter did become troublesome starting in the late 1990's until a couple years ago, when one of thier techs told me they have totally replaced thier trasmitter with a new one. So since they have a new trasmitter, and the equippment within to pass a dtv signal, they should be in stereo, my guess is they are too cheap to worry about installing that final audio link between the boards and the transmitter?

Though I do not know for a fact about WYZZ, I know that due to the upgrades at WEEK including the new transmitter & the Digital conversion, that the cost to send the analog feed to stereo was minimal. WYZZ did have a horrible transmitter for years, so I assume they replaced it new and did the same thing as WEEK.

Crazy how @ one time, we were all anticipating stereo sound. But now, that's just a minor advantage which capability will arrive automatically standard with all dtv & hi-def systems.

Jokinjer1

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by SINBAD
My god man, what are you smoking? WMBD sucked long before Sinclair and Nextar. WEEK and WHOI have been kicking their ass for some time know.
Well.......they can definately suck from time to time, but never as bad as they did prior to the late 1980's.

I'm just 29, but I remember my grandparents watching WMBD and I did not know how anyone could stand to watch thier news. Aside from the ag-freindly noon news featuring the likes of Diana Barber and Colleen Calahan, they had nothing over WEEK & WHOI in those days.

The only thing that WMBD was noted for was being the first station in color and the only station with a noon newscast. CBS was almost always the third-rated network prior to the mid 1990's.

Weather department:

I've paid close attention to the weather graphics and staff since 1990. I was always a full-supporter of News25 in the Hullihan Dynasty going back as far as 1986. It wasn't until 1991 when I got my stereo television that I started watching WMBD more. Though it was at the end of that year when WEEK bought one of the first automated weather graphics systems that enabled full showing of dopplar radar @ some cool effects. After Bill Hullihan died, Lee Ranson became his repacement.

It was in 1993 when WMBD began to compete with WEEK with the addition of Mike Mcquellen, who became our first braodcast Meteorologist. In that year, WMBD boasted a state-of-the-art weather graphics system superior to WEEK's which showed off our first animated skyflights (called the 4D Skyflight), moving cold fronts, you name it. WEEK added these capabilities to thier computer 2 years later, but they weren't near as smooth. They also became the first station to add a second Meteorologist to the area, Marcus Lynch of weekend fame.

WHOI was falling apart under Brissette TV before going up for sale in 1995. They made several upgrades while on sale including a new computer graphics system though basic and nothing to compete with the other 2, it did enable full display of dopplar radar and made them the third station to finally have a direct link to the NWS. Rick Kearby became thier first Meterologist in 1995 which gives them the edge over WEEK regarding prime-time news weather personel.

Before the advent of auto-crawl systems, which hit our stations in 1995 & 1996, for most of the 1990's WMBD was the first to display a watch & warning of anykind, followed closely by WEEK, with WHOI finally posting close to the warning's expiration time. McDonnough County is within the viewing area of all 3, however, WMBD was the only station to braodcast thier warnings 100% of the time.

In late 1995, WEEK brought us the "news 25 Instant Alert" which was defective from day 1. It lacked the capablity of showing a map. Anyone watching them in the 1996 @ 1997 season were ill-prepared for severe weather as nearly an hour would pass before they realized it was broke. Eventually, they had to man the panel and use manual crawl as if they did not have automatic crawl capability. Early in 1996, WHOI became a stunning first as our first station with an automatic crawl system which displays a map of the viewing area and legend. This was an immediate addition to many upgrades they did that year which led to an aquisition by Benedek Broadcasting Co.

This system was a big sliggish, but the warnings worked well. However, it's the only system that I know of which could not display a watch right, so they would still enter those manually. Many times, it would be an hour or so, and if at night or early in the morning, they'd never be entered into the system. In June of 1996, WMBD goes all out and gets a top of the line Accu Warn automatic crawl system. This sofware ranged from $18,000-$75,000 @ the time, with WHOI's new fist warn system being around 30g's, WMBD's was nearly 2 and 1/2 times as expensive. That was the best working on of all 3 stations until WEEK got thier version of that same system in 1998. Both worked very well.

Of course, all 3 of these systems would become outdated, leaving the crawlsystems screwey for a year or 2 before they were replaced. WHOI recieved a simula system in 2000 which could not display watches right either. WEEK's current auto-crawl is from 2001 and has worked great. WMBD replaced thiers in 2003 and the new one works fine. WHOI replaced thier "first warn" system in 2004 for a superior system by the same manufacture that everyone sees as the "stormteam 19", which will display watches. Now all 3 stations are solid with delivering severe weather information on crawl as well as with news cutins. Computers will lock up from time to time, so they still have thier problems, but those are very minimal.

In the late 1990's, WMBD had 2 Meteorolgists and 2 weathermen for a total of 4 people dedicated to weather compared to WEEK, which had NO meteorologists and just 2 people dedicated to weather and a third that doubled as a newscaster. WHOI had Rick Kearby as one Meteorologist and thier only weatherstaff dedicated soley to weather, and 2 more that doubled as co-anchors. Eventually, Dale Deskus joined WHOI giving them 2 meteorologists fully dedicated to the weather and a third person doubling as news/weather. Denise became WEEK's first meteoroligist for a short period before she took the promotion as anchor on the evening newscasts.

WHOI got thier first descent and flashy ADONIS Genesis weather graphics system in April, 2000 with WMBD following with thiers a couple weeks later. Than WMBD turns around and blows the other 2 stations out of the water with thier 2002 upgrade to ANOTHER computer system, which is like a $2,000/month subsciption. All 3 stations could add some software to further enhance each computer, but they won't pay for the additional software unlike our Springfield area neighbors.

Where they went wrong:

The arrival of the morning mix was the fist big shakeup for WMBD. Their ratings fell through the ground before finally rebounding a few years later. Than there was the departure of Rick Kearby, the 3-year withdraw of goodmorning hoi. WEEK's failure to replace Jim Barnett with a full time decicated meteorologist instead of a weatherman/anchor, the departure of Dave Snell, Mike Mcquellen & Shelly Dankoff. Whoi's single-anchor every second counts.

Around this time, WHOI had no staff in the building in the morning hours, week & wmbd would smash thier ass to special reports and weather bulletins.

WMBD did lack some subtle graphics that the other 2 stations did have, such as the cpu program that enabled a colored background bar to appear behind a crawl as well as fancy graphics to flash people's names. But WMBD did quite well everywhere else. They have a 4-anchor sports team from time to time, but not necessarily the best sports coverage. They, along with WHOI did suffer from quing problems from time to time. And they'd get news stories twisted from time to time as well. I've also seen some of broadcast journalism's poorest reporters on WMBD from now & again.

During a blackout which took the power of WMBD and WEEK several years back, WMBD was still able to ride on the Peoria Cable Comany do to the fact they were the only station with a direct link to the cable company. I believe it's a fiberoptic link. Though this entire story remains unclear to me. I don't have cable, so it made no difference to me! LOL

Nielson ratings history: As of the mid 1990's, WEEK was number 1 overall with WMBD unching close behind and WHOI sinking to nearly half of thier shares. Upon WHOI's series of upgrades in that period boosted thier ratings significantly making them more competitive. WMBD's morning mix and nextar claudications sent thier ratings DOWN to where they were close to WHOI's. But there was a time where WMBD's noon news did overtake WEEK's by a landslide, than they replaced Chuck Collins with Daren Adams which ended that reign. He was a bit too light for show's strong ag following.

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The present:

WHOI is definately better than they were before. Under Barrington Broadcasting, they have joined the rest of the force in 24-hour broadcast. And for once, they seem to be stabelized. I only wish that they would give a Midday newscast a second chance. They have added their early morning newcast back as of July, 2000 and it's done quite well ever since.

All 3 are excellent news sources with excellent computer graphics. WEEK is the first of the big3 to do full hi-def. I rate WEEK third regarding weather staff though, because a meteoroligist DOES make a difference, trust me. Though the other stations only contain 1 each these days. Weekend news is mediocre on all 3, but it always has been.

WMBD continues to lead over the other 2 for the size of thier newsteam. They always seem to tie WEEK or beat them by 1 or 2 members. Right now both are tied at 16 and WHOI only has 11 at the moment. But those number change by the season.

As of last week, WMBD has now became the fist station around with a fully-digital newsroom and goes HD in August, see me other thread for more information. The HD conversion will tie them with WEEK in the digital realm if they go full-power. The fully-digital studio gives them the biggest advantages in editing and delivering the news. They have the same-sized newsteam as WEEK with the additional pack of a damned good Meteorologist like WHOI. An unrivaled computer graphix system (which could use some additional software enhancements), a descent warning system and a stable sports team with a special friday night sports edition format.

WHOI had some distinct headaches concerning upgrading thier entire infrastructure. They wanted a new building to make it easier, but I think they were able to overcome the obsticals and have made the upgrades in the old building. Though I've never called them back to see how things have gone since.

So I do believe that WMBD is still the best overall in my opinion. Though all 3 could be better. WMBD needs to have a better plan for subsitutes when they are running short-handed. It's been a while since I've seen the latest Nielson ratings, but I know that CBS has cooled a bit. So my assumption taking that and the Nextar sqeeze into account, WMBD has to be trailing WEEK closer to WHOI. But I believe all 3 are closer now than ever before. WEEK has the most newstime of all 3 stations which also helps for good ratings.

Ok, I could go into even more detail and comare each newscast, but I really havn't had time to watch all of them faithfully as of late. Also, non-digital related stuff such as auto crawl systems and weather personalities are irrelevant to this forum and I probably shoudn't use much of the AVS forum's bandwidth accordingly.

Hmm, that was strangely worded, but I think it makes sense. LOL So here's a simi-detailed 20- year synopsis on a bit of everything one needs to know to compare our big 3 stations.

P.S., I don't smoke!

Jokinjer1

Peoria IL HDTV

For some reason I get no HD-OTA signal for WYZZ for the NASCAR race. Is anyone else having this problem or have any insight why?

dwcrosby

Peoria IL HDTV

you are not alone. not getting wyzz either. maybe they're updating

con_dad

Peoria IL HDTV

I can't get WYZZ either...OTA or through Insight doesn't work. I called the newsroom. The woman I talked to said that she talked to the control room. The control room told her that everything was working fine. She said that there is no maintenance staff working on the weekend. She said that if I'm still having a problem tomorrow that I should call back and maintenance would be there to fix the problem. That really doesn't help much since there is no race on tomorrow.

spd476

Peoria IL HDTV

WYZZ HD-OTA is up and running with 45 laps to go.

Go figure.

dwcrosby

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by spd476
I can't get WYZZ either...OTA or through Insight doesn't work. I called the newsroom. The woman I talked to said that she talked to the control room. The control room told her that everything was working fine. She said that there is no maintenance staff working on the weekend. She said that if I'm still having a problem tomorrow that I should call back and maintenance would be there to fix the problem. That really doesn't help much since there is no race on tomorrow.
I have Insight cable and I did not have a problem

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

WYZZ is now multicasting; just color bars at 720x480i on 43-1 with the HD feed (1280x720p) at 43-3 for now. At least those are the indications from my PC tuner.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Air must have been just right early this morning.. Was watching digital stations from Chicago, NBC - 5.1,2, ABC 7.1,2,3, and PBS stations, 14.1, WYZZ 20.2, some station 60.1, I was even able to pick up Analog 32 fox Chicago.. I'm in Northeast Bloomington..

All with a small indoor phillips antenna..

Crazy..

Can anyone tell me which local stations transmit 1080, and if Insight transmits that for those stations?

BloomGman

Peoria IL HDTV

WEEK and WTVP HD are 1080i.I don't know what WMBD (CBS) will be using and I have no idea what the current UPN (soon to be MyNetworkTV) is since I can't receive it. In Peoria at least, Insight passes on the HD feeds of the local stations. (as is)

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
WEEK and WTVP HD are 1080i.I don't know what WMBD (CBS) will be using and I have no idea what the current UPN (soon to be MyNetworkTV) is since I can't receive it. In Peoria at least, Insight passes on the HD feeds of the local stations. (as is)

CBS will be 1080i.

I ripped the following from the HDTiVo Faq on Tivocommunity

What are the different HDTV formats? What's the difference between 720p and 1080i?

The 4 most commonly encountered digital TV formats in the US are 480i, which approximates standard (NTSC) TV, 480p, which is a DVD-like format with the same resolution (720x480) and aspect (16:9) as DVD, 720p (used by ABC, Fox, and ESPN), and 1080i (used by everyone else). More details:

1080i aka 'High Definition'
1920 x 1080 resolution (16:9 ratio)
~4 times NTSC quality
30 frames per second (interlaced)
Used by NBC, CBS, PBS, WB, UPN, HBO, Showtime, Starz, HDNet, Discovery, etc.

720p aka 'High Definition'
1280 x 720 progressive (16:9 ratio)
~4 times NTSC quality
60 frames per second (progressive)
Used by ABC, ESPN, and Fox (coming late 2004)

480p aka 'Enhanced Definition' or EDTV
704 x 480 progressive (16:9 ratio)
DVD resolution
~2 times NTSC quality
60 frames per second (progressive)
Used by Fox, etc.

480i aka 'Standard Definition' or SDTV
720 x 480 interlaced (4:3 ratio)
NTSC quality
30 frames per second (interlaced)
NTSC (standard definition) in an ATSC package

thumperxr69

Peoria IL HDTV

I had an opportunity to view the same signal being pumped into to identical plasmas one at 1080I one at 720P. In my opinion the 720P was a sharper image.

SINBAD

Peoria IL HDTV

I think for Sports, 720 is better, seems not to be choppy.. But for other regular tv shows, NBC is unbelievable at 1080. I feel like a voyer when watching Jay Leno. It's scary. I see absolutely no lines 1 foot away from my screen!

I have a Sony SXDR 50" and let me tell you it's unbelievable. That's why I wanted to make sure Insight carry's the 1080 signal before I signed up.

Thanks for the lesson!

BloomGman

Peoria IL HDTV

Bloomg, It was hockey I was watching....by the way, be careful with insight HD they have been known to rob bandwidth from the signal. Your better off watching locals over the air.

SINBAD

Peoria IL HDTV

From the TBN website:

NEW TBN FULL POWER DIGITAL STATION SIGN-ON

Channel: 10
Station: WWTO-DT
City, State: La Salle, IL

http://www.tbn.org/announcements/ima...StationMap.pdf

Today, June 30, 2006 TBN's WWTO-DT, La Salle, IL began broadcasting via
crystal clear (and now powerful) digital transmission with 16,000 watts of
power. WWTO-DT is TBN's first full power VHF television station. It reaches
a potential audience of 2,136,561 souls with all five TBN networks
consisting of TBN, The Church Channel, JCTV, Smile of a Child and TBN Enlace
USA. Viewers in East Central Illinois with "DTV" tuners may now receive TBN
via digital transmission on channel 10.

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Gilbert's note: I am getting zip, NADA, nothing, off of my big antenna
pointed towards Chicago or Milwaukee, 35 miles north of the stick. I should be getting SOMETHING, I would think, and even checked it last night when tropo was strong to the south. Tune to 10-1, and tell me what you get, folks...you're on the edge of the signal footprint.

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

I did a fresh scan earlier today and got nothing. My scan found three stations that are actually too weak to resolve but nothing on 10, but at 16 Kw and a polarized antenna directed to the north east, I am not surprised. Of course, I usually get their analog signal on 35 and that didn't show up either. Maybe the tremendous jump from 4Kw to 16Kw blew all of their circuit breakers.

Any idea what WYZZ is going to do on the subchannel they just started broadcasting?

I have a friend in Wyoming (IL) that picks up the digital signal from LaSalle but he says it looks like a snowy analog signal.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Thanks Zaphod. But, when will WMBD go full power?

The real story here.

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs...ibit_id=415274

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebenste
Thanks Zaphod. But, when will WMBD go full power?

The real story here.

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs...ibit_id=415274
This extension is all BS to me. I have asked myself over and over then why have 80% (of course a number I have thrown there out of frustration) of the existing stations converted to digital already and gone full power within the past 3 years. They are dragging their feet and making excuses all the way. Rant complete....

T

thumperxr69

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebenste
Thanks Zaphod. But, when will WMBD go full power?
Probably right after I put up a tower and rotor to bring in distant signals.

Maybe they are waiting for a good storm to knock their tower down so they can make a fresh start (or abandon this minature, UHF only, market completely)

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebenste
Thanks Zaphod. But, when will WMBD go full power?

The real story here.

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs...ibit_id=415274

Did you notice at the end of the document that it says they "inadvertently" did not file for an extension before the February 2006 deadline. But they are requesting one now.... please please please please. Nexstar = Jackasses. Hopefully the FCC will say screw you. You had your deadline and its GONE!

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

What annoyed me about the request for extension was the plea that basically "we own so many stations that it's too expensive to follow the rules".

If you look at it another way, they used revenues from their "lesser " stations to fund the upgrades on their "major" stations so now they don't have the money to finish the "lesser" ones on time.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

I am receiving the feed for 31-1 but the golf outing isn't in Hi Def today.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

I rescanned OTA this weekend and didn't pick up 31-1. Are they broadcasting on that frequency at all yet?

Setup is an HDTVi coming into a Dish ViP622. WYZZ and WEEK are around the same ballpark as WMBD should be acording to antennaweb. I'm getting 90-95 signal strength on each of those.

bkdavis

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
If the station is including the necessary information in the digital stream, then some tuners will label the digital channel with virtual numbers (and some won't). Anything with 19.x, 25.x, 31.x, 43.x, 47.x; with a number greater than 1 would be a virtual number of the digital stream. (I think a .1 indicates the analog station, but I'm not positive about that)
x.0 is generally the analog station. x.1 and up are its digital channels.

dline

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dline
x.0 is generally the analog station. x.1 and up are its digital channels.
Thanks, My PC tuner generally uses physical channels, not virtual, and just labels analog as A31 for instance.

bkdavis, channel 31 digital is on the air (in standard definition) but is only half the strength (at most) compared with the other stations.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

I am receiving a signal of 63 percent from the 31.1, and a picture. It definitely isn't HD!

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

I just purchased a new TV with HD tuner. For a while, I was tuning in the local stations OTA. I finally hooked up the cable to the TV (I have Insight's classic cable package -- no cable TV box).

The TV picked up all of the cable stations and a number of digital stations. Most of the digital stations were music channels, with the exception of Bravo (100.7) and Toon Disney and a couple of other stations. However, it does not pick up the digital signals from the local stations. Do I need to get a cable box from Insight (and upgrade my cable package to digital) to get this? Can I get a cable card from Insight to do this (my TV will accept a cable card)?

jrjorgensen

Peoria IL HDTV

31.1 seems to be coming in a lot better the past few days than it has in the past. Still not the greatest signal strength here in Normal.

exit57

Peoria IL HDTV

Hello!
New to the forums and new to HD. I'm from Metamora and just wondering what OTA antennas are working the best for everyone. Looking at the forum... it seems like Winegard antennas are pretty good but it seems like they have a pretty wide selection. Any advice would be appreciated... thanks!

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