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Updated: 2008-06-08 07:47:12 (1302)
Peoria IL HDTV

I finally got all of the OTA's for Peoria/Bloominton locked in this week. I'm now getting WHOI, WEEK, WMBD, WYZZ, WTVP, and WAOE (all on one Channel Master Stealth Antenna using the VOOM receiver). Anyway, my question is why aren't WHOI and WMBD passing along any of the HD content.

I know Fox as a company won't be producing HD content until this fall, but does anyone know if WYZZ plans on carrying it? It's a little upsetting. I've gone to all the trouble of getting the antenna working finally and now these guys are too cheap/lazy to pass along the national HD feeds. What gives?

I know there is a Central Illinois thread already, but it seems mostly devoted to Champaign and Springfield. I'd like to specifically have a thread about the Peoria/Bloomington Illinois area.

*** EDITED - Made this a Peoria/Bloomington Thread since old Central Illinois thread is now labled Champaign, IL ***

Answers: Peoria IL HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Peoria IL HDTV

Is anyone getting the Olympics in HDTV and Dolby Digital..I don't think WEEK has ever broadcasted Dolby Digital sound have they? I just realized that I have never seen my reciever switch over to DD5.1....the picture quality is good..just wish it were DD5.1

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

DD2.0 here. The only NBC show I watch is Leno and I thought I have seen 5.1 there but I'll have to check again. The receiver is behind my seating positions so I rarely look at it.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsandy
I just got an eMail from WMBD that said WMBD-DT is broadcasting at 600 watts.

The kid next door is pumping 5 times that out of his trunk when he comes home at 2am.

. . . Bud
Thats hilarious! I make a point every time I meet a theif to tell them where the "thumpers" live. Only problem is the usually get louder stereos the next time....

You know WMBD has fiber run to their doorstep and they still dont have a clue. They have the most oblivious management I have ever spoken to.

Anyway... WMBD sucks.... and they have no desire to not suck!

I am not running through home theater yet so all I see is Dolby Digital. It wouldn't surprise me if it was just 2.0. .... I really hate Peoria.

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

Just to keep things up to date, the PJStar, in Steve Tarter's Sunday column "On The Air" reports that WHOI will "try to delay the switch over from HD to analog as close to 10 p.m. as possible".

This may help avoid losing the last 5 minutes (in HD) of all the 9 p.m. shows. They showed all but the credits of Boston Legal last week in HD. My guess is that the engineer who flips the switch also has to be in the studio for the news and he can't be in two places at one time.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

I'm in Northeast Bloomington. Anybody have good luck with one of the sat services and ota reception for HD locals?

Seems like it will be years before the Peoria/Bloomington market becomes available in HD. CBS will probably never be locally, based on what I've read about their interest in HD.

I've cosidered the Insight HD package, which at least gives me some HD content. I'm primarily interested in the local network feeds and what "works best" in my area.

aydu

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by aydu
I'm in Northeast Bloomington. Anybody have good luck with one of the sat services and ota reception for HD locals?

Seems like it will be years before the Peoria/Bloomington market becomes available in HD. CBS will probably never be locally, based on what I've read about their interest in HD.

I've cosidered the Insight HD package, which at least gives me some HD content. I'm primarily interested in the local network feeds and what "works best" in my area.
I can't speak about satellite and HD availability, but as for locals, NBC (WEEK), ABC (WHOI), and FOX (WYZZ) are all broadcasting in HD. Some better than others, but they are broadcasting HD. As for CBS (WMBD), there has been speculation and news that they are planning for HD to begin sometime late spring, early summer. Also, I have heard that it will be immediately available to Insight Cable without the normal delay in waiting for a contract to be worked out.

With the being said, Insight HD carries the three HD local networks (plus PBS - WTVP) on their HD package. Trust me, I'm not a fan of Insight in the least, but lately, they have been picking it up with the recent additions of NBC and FOX to their HD lineup. And cross your fingers that CBS might be coming soon. Too bad it doesn't seem like it will be soon enough for March Madness!

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by grdn2
As for CBS (WMBD), there has been speculation and news that they are planning for HD to begin sometime late spring, early summer. Also, I have heard that it will be immediately available to Insight Cable without the normal delay in waiting for a contract to be worked out.
I believe that WMBD and WYZZ share some ownership (Sinclair) and the deal reached earlier this year would have covered both stations but WMBD had no HD so they won't show up until they switch the HD on (rumored to be later this Summer). Since the WMBD studios are located a few hundred yards from the Insight facility they have a "Land Line"; so they appear on cable even if their transmitter goes down.

I wouldn't count on instant inclusion in Bloomington/Normal however, since WYZZ-HD (FOX) is not available on Insight Galesburg. You will need to check with local offices. If FOX-HD is currently on Insight Bloomington then WMBD-HD should follow.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

What's then nearest CBS DT that might be broadcasting the games in HD ?

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

I think WHBF in the Quad Cities is full power HD. (analog ch4 digital ch58) Personally, I have had no luck with reception.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

I have Directv and am getting the Mega March Madness special. They have two of the four games per region are being shown in HD...including the Illinois game.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cbsstinks
I have Directv and am getting the Mega March Madness special. They have two of the four games per region are being shown in HD...including the Illinois game.
Yeah it is normally good when I have my waiver and I can get CBS in HD from D* but tonight (unless I get the megapass) no Illinois in HD. I'll lump it tonight and watch it in SD.

T

thumperxr69

Peoria IL HDTV

So we loose out on Illini NCAA tourney games in HD last year, and Bradley this year (from Detroit which was a HD site). If anything will prove demand for WMBD to go HD, this has to be it.

dgreen

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by SINBAD
Guys, don't get all bent out of shape about channel spacing...Most stations in the state or even the country for that matter are operating under FCC STA Licenses (special temporary authority) and when analog is shut off (FEB 2009 for now) will revert to their current analog freqs, with the probable exception of those stations that are currently full power as it would be cost prohibitive to revert to their old freq.
Some will and some won't. If there's only a small difference between the two choices, as there is between WMBD-TV 31 and DT 30, there's no point in moving back. If you're more like WHOI and your choice is between 40 and 19, going back to 19 if you can do so may help your casue. (WEEK-DT 57, of course, will have to move since it's above 51.) And most stations with a high-VHF choice will at least seek that high-V channel since you can get a fairly good signal out with far less power, while low-V stations will usually seek to avoid going back to channels 2 through 6 at all costs.

There are exceptions. If where you live straddles the Quad Cities market, ABC affiliate WQAD plans to stay on 38 and will not go back to Channel 8, while CBS affiliate WHBF, for whatever reason, has elected to go back to Channel 4 after the transition.

For the record, here are the channels Peoria stations are seeking to settle on after the transition, based on FCC Form 382 filings:

- WAOE: 39
- WEEK: 25 *
- WHOI: 19 *
- WMBD: 30
- WTVP: 46
- WYZZ: 28

* - These selections were initially disapproved by the FCC. WEEK and WHOI had to file a Form 383 explaining how they plan to resolve interference issues. Both stations indicated that they would stay with their initial selections, but their forms don't specify how they plan to fix their conflicts.

dline

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
I believe that WMBD and WYZZ share some ownership (Sinclair) and the deal reached earlier this year would have covered both stations but WMBD had no HD so they won't show up until they switch the HD on (rumored to be later this Summer). Since the WMBD studios are located a few hundred yards from the Insight facility they have a "Land Line"; so they appear on cable even if their transmitter goes down.
For the record, WMBD is owned by Nexstar, WYZZ is owned by Sinclair, and WMBD operates WYZZ under a management agreement -- not uncommon in markets around our size. (A similar agreement exists between CBS 2 and Fox 28 where I live.)

dline

Peoria IL HDTV

Why oh Why doesn't WYZZ broadcast DT, on Monday nights.

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsandy
Why oh Why doesn't WYZZ broadcast DT, on Monday nights.
Thank god it isn't just me. For months and months, I have never been able to get WYZZ on Monday nights. If you search back far enough in this thread or search my old posts, you'll see me inquiring about it. It is so weird, because on the signal meter, it shows up to be a strong 75-85, with no picture. I thought it was just me going crazy or insane or something, but I'm so glad others have the same issues. Thankfully, Insight has picked up WYZZ-DT, and it works there. But nothing OTA, every single Monday. Anyone have a decent explanation for this?

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

WYZZ came in fine OTA for me last night watching 24 in hd. Im in Bloomington, close to the towers so that probably has something to do with it.

BigJeff

Peoria IL HDTV

People on the NBC HD thread about the game were complaining about considerable macroblocking issues with the feed. It may have something to do with their 1080i architecture, although ABC's HD feeds are also 1080i (If I remember correctly) and have none of NBCS artifacting and blurring issues.

I'm still convinced the blurring during the zoom is entirely based on their Cameras and not on any scaling arcitecture or overlay. Does anyone else notice this severe blurring?

wcaughey

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
I don't know what Insight is passing through on cable but OTA WMBD has the football game at 1080i. At least that's what my tuner indicates.

Bloomington may be a little too far to receive the WMBD digital broadcast over the air.

p.s. Thanks Gilbert for your detailed info, (if I've forgotten to thank you in the past).
Glad to help! BTW, I believe the NBC problems are because of the nature of 1080i. I don't wish to start the classic 720p/1080i flamethrower topic again,
but I truly believe that 17 MB of 720p is much better than 19.2 mb 1080i for fast action sports. And with most (soon all) NBC stations carrying Weather Plus, it would be wise for them to go to 720p. Some may disagree.

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

wcaughey: I see the blurring and I agree, it does bother my eyes. It is exactly when they go to hike the ball.

It is funny because it would clear up by the time the Colts hike the ball, they spend so much time at the line changing plays. It would always be blurry when the Giants would start their play though.

You would think some high up at NBC would notice this and fix it, with all the money they spent getting the NFL.

dwcrosby

Peoria IL HDTV

I'm just doing a new channel scan (OTA first, QAM later) but the new CW is on WHOI's subchannel now. It's standard definition but at least it's clean.

edit: It looks like it's the WB right now, the CW is "coming next week".

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebenste
I don't wish to start the classic 720p/1080i flamethrower topic again
Aw, come on . As long as we keep it to this local forum, it shouldn't get too heated. When the TV manuacturers offered their first training classes on digital broadcast and reception they indicated that 720p was the higher resolution and superior format -- and this was from a company that didn't even support 720p because it was easier to design their first HD sets around 960i and 1080i and ignore 720p.

On a "quality" note our PBS channel has two subs at 704x480i; so the 1080i HD is at 11.8Mbps.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Can anyone tell me there opinion ..... should I be receiving an OTA digital signal from WYZZ or WMBD (43.1/43.2)? I swear I had a digital signal when I first hooked up my antenna Friday. Now nothing ..........

Anyone?

petsormeat

Peoria IL HDTV

I've got both right now. UHF signals tend to be affected by weather conditions and distance. Over 20 to 30 miles and it gets tricky. Have you verified that the storms haven't damaged something like antenna, wiring, baluns (those little transformers that convert flat wire to coax -- 300 to 75 ohm adapters).

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Thanks Zaphod! I haven't verified anything from the outside.

I first hooked everything up Friday morning. I used the old antenna that came with the house I bought. I figured out which cable was which and got it hooked up to my TV. I did a channel scan, and I had 43.1 and 43.2 ... and they looked pretty good. By the time my wife got up about an hour later ... and I went to show her the "new digitial channels" ... they were gone. I've checked off and on ever since. I have read her that they were doing something with their transmitters or something. Anyways ....... I guess you answered my question, you have an OTA signal from them.

Could it be that whatever changes they made, that there is a "weaker" signal, and I wont pick it up with the same antenna.

Or ... did they change transmission sites? Do I need to direct the antenna at a different location?

I appreciate any thoughts! Thanks!!

petsormeat

Peoria IL HDTV

MWBD is working on their antenna (located on Muller Road in East Peoria) which will be 30.1 digital and the work is affecting 31 (the analog channel -- off the air right now).

WYZZ is not doing any transmitter work that I know of (located in Goodfield between Peoria and Bloomington) 43 analog and 28 digital (43.1 and 43.2). They are just temporarily replacing programming on 43.2, The Tube, with WMBD while work is going on at the WMBD tower.

How does WYZZ 43 analog look? If it is full of ghosts or very snowy then that might indicate a signal problem. You could have any number of antenna or equipment problems or you just got lucky the first time it came in.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Thanks again Zaphod.

I don't think I ever had an analog WYZZ signal -- 43. I could be wrong about that. I guess it's time to start checking other things. Maybe you're right ... maybe I just got lucky.

Thanks for confirming the signal is there. Much appreciated!!

petsormeat

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
Aw, come on . As long as we keep it to this local forum, it shouldn't get too heated. When the TV manuacturers offered their first training classes on digital broadcast and reception they indicated that 720p was the higher resolution and superior format -- and this was from a company that didn't even support 720p because it was easier to design their first HD sets around 960i and 1080i and ignore 720p.

On a "quality" note our PBS channel has two subs at 704x480i; so the 1080i HD is at 11.8Mbps.
LOL! Interesting. 720p is not the higher resolution, but for fast action, NBC just found out the hard way it beats 1080i. But it should not have looked THAT bad.
Their NASCAR looked much better, even with macroblocking. So something is messed up somewhere, and I bet it is not at the truck.

And yeah, our main PBS Chicago station is the same way. Now, you talk about a screamfest...the engineers at WTTW-DT claimed we were full of it, and people came up with packet analyses and pictures and...proof he was full of it. We haven't heard from them since.

Champaign just started doing a 2nd sub, all of Wisconsin Public TV does 2 subs,
Iowa Public TV does at least 1, and OETA, Oklahoma's Public TV system, just dumped PBS-HD for 3 subchannels, except for two hours in primetime...Nova and
Nature get shown in HD now, but that's it. Washington DC...dumped the HD channel as well a few weeks ago.

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebenste
LOL! Interesting. 720p is not the higher resolution, but for fast action, NBC just found out the hard way it beats 1080i. But it should not have looked THAT bad.
Their NASCAR looked much better, even with macroblocking. So something is messed up somewhere, and I bet it is not at the truck.

And yeah, our main PBS Chicago station is the same way. Now, you talk about a screamfest...the engineers at WTTW-DT claimed we were full of it, and people came up with packet analyses and pictures and...proof he was full of it. We haven't heard from them since.

Champaign just started doing a 2nd sub, all of Wisconsin Public TV does 2 subs,
Iowa Public TV does at least 1, and OETA, Oklahoma's Public TV system, just dumped PBS-HD for 3 subchannels, except for two hours in primetime...Nova and
Nature get shown in HD now, but that's it. Washington DC...dumped the HD channel as well a few weeks ago.
KETC-DT (PBS-STL), all 109 KW of it, runs PBS-HD (720p) as 9-1, PBS-KIDS (SD) as 9-2, KETC analog (SD) as 9-3; and Create (SD) as 9-4. Note the anomaly of running the primary analog signal as -3.

PinkSplice

Peoria IL HDTV

Is WMBD broadcasting at full strength HD yet?

jmonsour

Peoria IL HDTV

Kevin Harlan said, "We’re currently on Insight 762 and will be over the air hopefully by next Friday."

exit57

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmonsour
Is WMBD broadcasting at full strength HD yet?
Still low power on my indicator. I'm guessing that thet're not using the new antenna yet. Just putting it up doesn't get it connected to the waveguide and other hardware.

Analog 31 is back on the air right now as is the low power digital signal.

I've never been able to get the Insight feed. Either it's out of range of my QAM tuner or it's encrypted.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

I just checked and 31-1 is in HD and it looks pretty good here in Normal.

exit57

Peoria IL HDTV

You guys are getting WMBD in HD? I checked earlier tonight during CSI and just a second ago with Letterman, and for me, it is clearly NOT HD, both OTA on 31-1 and through Insight on 762. At least they have the guide data in there now on Insight, but it surely wasn't HD for me. Just want to make sure it isn't something just on my end. Thanks.

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

WMBD is not passing HD content to Insight 762....I havent seen HD content since they had the Tennis from NY feed a couple weeks ago. Is anyone seeing true HD? All they do is zoom in on the 4:3 signal and cut off the top and bottom.

njlamber

Peoria IL HDTV

AS some of you may have seen, I'm a bit partial to WMBD excepting their slothful digitization efforts.

This summer, we, for the first time, heard some serious news about them going full-power HD without actually having to CALL them. Though the target date to throw the switch keeps getting bumped up a few weeks, this current 6 day outage is proof that progress is being made at the station. Unfortunately, that really had to hurt to loose a terrestial signal for that long.

It's not uncommon for a station's own crew to attempt to install equipment, but I'm sure that going without a signal for 6 days to complete construction is uncommon.

A lady from WHOI told me on the phone a few years ago that they were forced to replace their analog transmitter with a new analog due to the fact it was way past time. Even replacing the analog with a new analog left them off air for no more than 3 days. definitely risky. My guess is they had to replace a large amount of antiquated equipment at the last minute.

My concern about an a inexperienced crew installing a transmition system is the possible risk of totally blowing a major piece in the transmitter as what WAOE told me happened to them back in 1999 when they were having thir problems. The gentleman told me on the phone that they were in the process of finding out who was at fault to see if the manufacture would cover it, which involves hearings and such that could be quite lengthy. Separately, an ice storm once took down WAND's transmitter leaving them off the air for well over a year. So at least WMBD appears to be out of the woods of simular catastrophic failures.

Amazing how times changes things. I wrote a huge post a few months back citing the inferiority of Peoria area television stations including WMBD. But their final digitalization efforts as well as the fact they jumped to 3 meteorologists are leaving me with next to nothing to hold against them. LOL

3 Meteorologists, that's definitely a more expensive weather team than the other 2 stations. Markets of this size generally have 2. So I hope they catch on and are able to stay. Possible Severe Weather this Sunday will be their first test. They're new and nervous, so they might stumble over words from time to time. But that gets better immediately once they settle into the new area.

And although they are behind WEEK for sustaining online personalities, their Prime Time newscast personalities have been there for years. Bob beats out Mac for time but both are very good at what they do. Chuck Collins has been there longer than Lee Ranson has been at WEEK. WHOI's only real verteran on-air personality is Jim Mattson who is outstanding. But Gretchen Wirtz has been there a while now too. Kurt Pegler has been with WMBD almost as long as Jim Mattson has been at WHOI. Amy Paul has nearly 10 years behind WMBD. But new or old, all 3 stations have a failry aggressive newsteam. That's the beauty of small markets. Though there's always room for improvement.

And we must consider ourselves luckier than some other Nextar Stations. Nexstar has asked to extend the digital conversion deadline to 2008 for some of it's stations. I've also heard that WCIA is also on the verge of going full HD.

But most of all, I still can't believe WMBD-HD is finally happening! LOL Kudos to them and I hope it's stabilized ASAP

J

Jokinjer1

Peoria IL HDTV

Oh, one more thing. Nextar is citing it's half billion dollar debt as legitimate grounds to have an extension until 2008 for select unlucky stations. But I sure hope, for the sake of those viewers, that it's not much later! 2 years nearly killed me from a 2004 standpoint. LOL

Jokinjer1

Peoria IL HDTV

Jokinger, WEEK changed their antenna a couple years ago and were off the air for a few hours or maybe 1 day. WHOI changed out transmitters and were off for a couple hours. The engineer that blew up WAOE wasn't aware that all the interlocks were bypassed from the previous management as well as not having good power from Ameren. This 2 week analog shutdown from WMBD proves once again how little they care about viewers and how poor the engineering staff is. It's nice that they can spend money for three weather people but who sits around and waits for the news to see what the weather is doing? There are local news blogs out there for people that care.

SINBAD

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by SINBAD
Jokinger, WEEK changed their antenna a couple years ago and were off the air for a few hours or maybe 1 day. WHOI changed out transmitters and were off for a couple hours. The engineer that blew up WAOE wasn't aware that all the interlocks were bypassed from the previous management as well as not having good power from Ameren. This 2 week analog shutdown from WMBD proves once again how little they care about viewers and how poor the engineering staff is. It's nice that they can spend money for three weather people but who sits around and waits for the news to see what the weather is doing? There are local news blogs out there for people that care.
Thanks for the info, I knew WAOE wasn't getting a sufficient power supply to run it's analog signal full power, but I was never completely aware of why it blew up. At least they're straightened out now. Seemed like I kept getting a different story everytime I asked them.

WMBD's lack of an analog signal was 6 days, not 2 weeks. Still, I'm in agreement with you that it had to be poor planning on their part. As far as anything else, I can't see how it would be the will of a station to not care about being on the air. The majority of people get the locals on cable whether by the old wire or by Satellite services such as Dish Network as we do. However, there are several people without this privilege. So willfully being off the air would not be in the best financial interest of a television station as they will still loose a substantial amount of money, even today.

One thing about WMBD though. It's been about 3 years, but the new gentleman that had taken thir calls since the Nextar takeover is rude. I wonder if he's still there? LOL I'm sure he was more than getting sick of our hassles over HDTV. But professionalism is professionalism and any secretary or anyone who answers the phone at a business and deals with customers, should have it. It's only good business sense.

Also, people are starting to live longer and longer. There's a huge population of older people out there and many are still computer illiterate. Many of these people depend on the local stations as well as the local newspaper for thir major sources of the news. So money invested in better newscast may still be wise if well-promoted.

Having lived on a farm, I was solely dependent on the Locals until I got my Weather Radio in 1999, Dell & internet in 2001, and & Dish Network in 2002.

Yeah, WEEK & WHOI were not off the air very long during thir transmitter changeover. However, a major part blew out in WHOI's old transmitter a few years prior to that and they were off for air for 2-3 days. They had to order a part and wait for it to ship from the south.

And I can still remember when a major power outage happened in Peoria for a few hours. It was written & said that WEEK was a total loss that night whereas all of WMBD's viewers were able to see them on the cable company in Peoria (TCI Cablevision?). In those days, WMBD actually had a fiberoptic link whereas WEEK did not. I'm sure that doesn't amount to a hill of beans though. Especially since that was in the Midwest TV days and every station I'm assuming has more than caught up on that.

The main subject of this forum is to discuss HDTV. I promise the same of my next blog. We owned 2 Zenith D32D53 HDTV Monitors for 4 years now, and I'm just as antsy as everyone else here to get be able to take full advantage of those sets. And I'm glad it's finally starting to shape up in our neck of the woods. But what a long wait is has been. LOL

Jokinjer1

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jokinjer1
In those days, WMBD actually had a fiberoptic link whereas WEEK did not.
WMBD's link was/is due to their physical proximity to the Cable offices on Dries Lane. They are basically within sight of each other. I don't think any other broadcaster would find a physical link practical. All the studios, other than WTVP, were accross the river, near their transmitters.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by njlamber
WMBD is not passing HD content to Insight 762....I havent seen HD content since they had the Tennis from NY feed a couple weeks ago. Is anyone seeing true HD?
No WMBD HD here. I was hoping we would see HD today. But nothing via Insight 762. Just the slightly stretched but cropped SD feed. I'm not able to get anything OTA either.

dgreen

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
WMBD's link was/is due to their physical proximity to the Cable offices on Dries Lane. They are basically within sight of each other. I don't think any other broadcaster would find a physical link practical. All the studios, other than WTVP, were accross the river, near their transmitters.
I'm not a shill for WMBD (honest!), but in their defense and in the defense of the other stations, OTA is not being used much now outside of rural areas. The advertisers main goal is to get the people who will buy their products, and they have cable/sat, not OTA, for the *most* part. Until this spring/summer, none of the Chicago DT's had backup transmitters. Thankfully, outages have been rare but they have happened. Our Rockford FOX station used to go off the air whenever it got above 90 degrees until a few years ago, when they finally installed adequate A/C at the tranny site. They couldn't afford to do it until then. One station couldn't afford to maintain their tower as much as they wanted to...and then it came down, and they were off the air for 3 months, and at very low power for 6 more. Their analog was down for a day or two a couple of times each month because they were running a tranny from the 1960's! It finally got replaced with the tower (or pretty close to it), when they literally ran out of parts for it.

As for WMBD, please don't blame "poor engineering" without knowing the situation first hand. When I first started getting into DTV, I made that accusation myself when I saw it happen---wrongly, I might add. Each station is different. For all we know, the engineers may have had a bad situation to deal with, which is what I suspect...and it put them in a bad position. They may be just tearing up the place and starting from scratch. I bet they are...and if so, give them grace. Even if not, give them grace. ANY engineer worth his salt abhors being off the air, a cardinal sin...but Peoria's revenue stream, like up here in Rockford, doesn't give stations the flexibility of backup generators for every station and backup antennas/towers, either. It would be great, but if 90% of your audience can see you and by your fibered/cabled signal in Peoria and suburbs, they probably aren't losing much money. And as I said, when they go 1080i, with spankin' new encoders, it's going to look great. Do it right the first time and take the time to get it right. Sounds like that's what they are doing, and sure...maybe with less staffing to do it than they want. The CBS affiliate had the same complaints in the Quad Cities, but once they went up to full power and HD, they became the most solid station for picture and reliability, after being one of the worst.

P.S. Look at the Champaign thread. WAND-DT NBC has been out for over a day on 17-1.
They are trying to fix it, but so far, they can only get 17-2 up and 17.1 audio up.
Football fans are livid. It happens, folks...

P.P.S. Several weeks ago, moisture got into the transmission line of our CBS station. Analog was down for 3/4 day, digital was off for 5 days.

sebenste

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVECS1
FOX bounces from 49-56% without ever locking in. The bouncing makes me think I need some type of signal conditioning, but I have no idea were to start.
Bouncing generally indicates multipath (bounced signal or ghost). It could also be interference from 25 or 31 but this is likely only if you have an amp in the line. Strong 25 would overload an amp at a frequencies near 28 (FOX digital).

When this occurs, sometimes a booster helps, sometimes reducing the signal helps. Every location is different. You'll have to experiment. UHF is magic. They make single channel attenuators and I had several to reduce strong stations so I could amplify weak ones. With the digital channels being stuffed between analog channels, I had to take them all out to receive the digital stations. Analog deteriorated but digital substitutes nicely. I don't know of any simple equipment to check the quality of digital broadcasts.

Quote:
I thought about adding more height to the antenna, but I am at 6' on an eve mount. I used good hardware and everything seems secure, but I have no idea what kind of loads that mount is seeing during wind gusts and ice storms.
I always use tripods; never had a leak and held up when a tornado passed by within 100 yards.

Given the pathetic nature of cable and local broadcasters, my next investment will be a small tower and rotator. I'd like to get PBS's WILL. They have much better programming than WTVP. CBS in the Quad Cities is supposed to be in HD. I think there is an HD WB station too. FOX in Springfield and in the Quad Cities often carry sports from different regions as do the other Network stations.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Well I lifted it up to 7' and used some steel cable to anchor it to the roof. My wife asked if I was setting up my own broadcasting company.

Now if I wait a couple minutes Fox will come on at about 79%. So I will live with that for now. I have also heard there may be some problems with how the 811 grabs signals.

As far as signals from other areas are concerned, That would be great, but I don't have a chance. Unless I errected my own tower I helped a friend in dunlap set up his HD OTA. He was using a Samsung reciever and we purchased the 4228 and a rotor for him. He had towers in multiple directions. He recieves Quad Cities NBC and CBS and yes CBS is in HD and it is a nice feed! It was also nice because he was able to watch Surface when the Bradley game was on. His antenna is in the attic! I think his reciever has alot to do with it also.

At any rate I am looking forward to the Bears. As they say all systems are go. Thanks for the help. If you ever need a hand putting up some of your equipment I would not mind getting some pointer from someone more experienced. I have lots of tools, and I am supposedly and enginerd.

DAVECS1

Peoria IL HDTV

I have a small tripod on my roof and a ten foot mast, I have a radio shack rotor and a channelmaster 777x series pre-amp, I use a televes dat-75 antenna. This setup is a bit directional and does require the rotor for wyzz and wqad, it is nice to be able to grab the quad cities digitals when needed and when the weather is right for tropo propagation then you can spin it wherever you want and grab staions from hundreds of miles away.

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

Hi everyone, I am new to this site. I just got HDTV from Direct TV yesterday, and hope it's not a mistake. I am getting all locals except for WMBD and WHOI in HDTV.

Anyone else have Direct TV...and can tell me if they are receiving the same programming? I did speak to WMBD engineer this morning and he says its coming this summer. Sounds like empty promises.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Is something up ?

WHOI-DT doesn't seem to be coming in. I get signal strength, but no picture.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

Hey . . .

I've got the Avia Guide to Home Theater DVD. Since it's something I won't need but a few times, I would be happy to lend it out (with some sort of 100% returnable deposit).

I live in Eureka, and work in Peoria. Let me know . . . BSandy at the Y! Place.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

cbsstinks,

All the channels are coming OTA by digital, CBS(WMBD) has yet to start broadcasting in HD.

I hope others chime in, but I went to watch LOST and INVASION last night and WHOI was blank. They were broadcasting but nothing was being played. I cannot begin how frustrating it is to go through all the trouble of buying and seeting up equipment for OTA broadcasts that are said to be available, only to find out that the people responsible on the transmitting end, are not holding up there part of the bargain. At least have the curtousy to put up a screen that indicates technical difficulties. A black screen for all I know indicates that Chad was outback smokin a dubie and forgot to flip the HD switch.

DAVECS1

Peoria IL HDTV

Thanks DaveCS1 . . .

I'm glad it was not only me, that was having WHOI-DT issues last nite.

It was still that way, this morning. Is it fixed, now ?

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

Dave...on Direct TV they have CBS, CBSDT 1 and CBS...3. I was wondering what the CBS3 is? I know the CBSDT1 won't come in. But...I have my local CBS and a CBS...3 coming in.

Any ideas?

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Hmmm . . . Looks like the made room for HD in the channel scheme.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

I watched Lost last night on WHOI-DT through Insight and it came in perfectly. I emailed the station last week about the lack of HD and audio sync problems last week. The reply said that they were upgrading equipment but it didn't go as smooth as planned. I'm surprised that OTA wouldn't work, but Insight would.

spd476

Peoria IL HDTV

If anyone see's whoi in HD tonight please post. This will allow me to look at the channel and see if i am receiving their feed.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

I actually get every channel in Hi Def except for 31 WMBD, and WTAE UPN 59. The Channels are there...just no broadcast!

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

WHOI-DT was working for me last night (Thursday), but is was going in and out this morning (Friday).

I hope they're just getting their $H!T together for the superbowl !

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

I recorded Lost in HD from WHOI and watched it later and it was just fine.

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

I tried to email Kevin Harlan the Station Manager of WMBD using the email address from the stations web site. I received the email back saying that his email is no longer in service.

I guess he got tired of the question and answer session about how bad his station sucks.

I am a big Steeler fan, and was in anticipation for the big AFC championship in HD. I guess I need to pray for the Super Bowl.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cbsstinks
I am a big Steeler fan, and was in anticipation for the big AFC championship in HD. I guess I need to pray for the Super Bowl.
I wouldn't stop there. I would keep praying for WHOI to get their act together as well. Hopefully this "upgrade" is in preparation for the Super Bowl. Unforutanely, I wouldn't be overly surprised if it is the same 'ole, same 'ole come Super Sunday, especially with HOI.

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cbsstinks
I guess he got tired of the question and answer session about how bad his station sucks.
WYZZ once took their phone off the hook for 3 days when they decided to not show the last 4 episodes of one season of Babylon 5 because they weren't going to show the next season. (they were running them at 1 or 2 AM) My wife got through before they shut down their phone and said they didn't know anyone was watching the show. (They picked up the rest of the series after that)

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by grdn2
I wouldn't stop there. I would keep praying for WHOI to get their act together as well. Hopefully this "upgrade" is in preparation for the Super Bowl. Unforutanely, I wouldn't be overly surprised if it is the same 'ole, same 'ole come Super Sunday, especially with HOI.

That's okay, I have had Sunday ticket 3 seasons in a row. I won't have to worry about this crappy network come football season.

I am a big Cardinals fan or I would have moved to Chicago a long time ago.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

If you don't have HD you shouldn't be allowed to air NFL games, specially playoff games. I know its a local network thing...but maybe the local networks should be bidding for rights to the game rather than the overall network with the most money.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cbsstinks
I tried to email Kevin Harlan the Station Manager of WMBD using the email address from the stations web site. I received the email back saying that his email is no longer in service.

I guess he got tired of the question and answer session about how bad his station sucks.

I am a big Steeler fan, and was in anticipation for the big AFC championship in HD. I guess I need to pray for the Super Bowl.

Insight is working on getting HD from WMBD. They have recently run fiber to them but WMBD has no clue what they are doing.... Some of you may know that WYZZ and MBD have been the worst broadcasters in the area. Funny they were both managed by the same people (those at WMBD). Harlan told me some time ago that WMBD had no plans of going HD any time in the near future. Only digital. Sinclair Broadcasting (WYZZ) apparently had words with management and said FOX WILL go HD. WMBD has really been under fire from CBS network to go HD as I understand. They claim they cannot afford it and for the first time in history an affiliatte asked for cash from the cable company and the Dish's to carry HD. Insight has worked out a preliminary deal with them. Not sure about the Dish's. I can almost garauntee it will not be up by SuperBowl barring some miracle of somehow finding an engineer who knows what the hell they are doing.

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

Fortunately, the Superbowl is on ABC (WHOI) this year. Hopefully they will get their "upgrades" done and someone will remember to flip the appropriate switches.

The CBS network, enjoying superior ratings, would be understandably upset about an affiliate that won't even broadcast HD and is going to rely on a land line to the Insight building on Dries lane (about a half block from the WMBD studio) if I understand the "fiber" reference correctly.

FOX is of course in HD and doing a good job, although probably not the local originated programming (does WYZZ even have any "local programming"?). One of their employees was keeping the forum updated on the situation at WYZZ but he has not been heard from for a while.

Sinclair demanding compensation for HD cable carriage is a national policy, much discussed around here. A local asking for additional help would indeed be a little unusual. If Sinclair is getting money for carriage then they should be helping their locals to upgrade otherwise it becomes an unfunded mandate situation (like Illinois School Districts).

Historically, WMBD has had audio problems (sync type buzz) for about 30 years (it got worse when they went stereo). It will be interesting to see if they solve it with digital broadcasting.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

Sitting in the Wendy's drive-thru one day, I thought . . .

Why do they need 26 dishes ?

and . . .

Someone could sure fix WMBD with a pair if wire cutters. I hope no one is pissed at them.

and . . .

Do Frostys go well with Chilli ?

. . . Bud (Evil Thoughts, but no Evil Intentions)

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
Fortunately, the Superbowl is on ABC (WHOI) this year. Hopefully they will get their "upgrades" done and someone will remember to flip the appropriate switches.

The CBS network, enjoying superior ratings, would be understandably upset about an affiliate that won't even broadcast HD and is going to rely on a land line to the Insight building on Dries lane (about a half block from the WMBD studio) if I understand the "fiber" reference correctly.

FOX is of course in HD and doing a good job, although probably not the local originated programming (does WYZZ even have any "local programming"?). One of their employees was keeping the forum updated on the situation at WYZZ but he has not been heard from for a while.

Sinclair demanding compensation for HD cable carriage is a national policy, much discussed around here. A local asking for additional help would indeed be a little unusual. If Sinclair is getting money for carriage then they should be helping their locals to upgrade otherwise it becomes an unfunded mandate situation (like Illinois School Districts).

Historically, WMBD has had audio problems (sync type buzz) for about 30 years (it got worse when they went stereo). It will be interesting to see if they solve it with digital broadcasting.





I was so ticked at WMBD for not airing in HD. Oh well...I guess I can't be worried anymore. Yesterday is over...and now we move on to the Super Bowl. Lets see if ABC and WHOI can do something for the fans.

I like many hope WHOI does well for the viewers on SB Sunday!

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

I have an EE degree. I would be willing to donate my time to get WMBD up on HD. I wonder if they take charity?

DAVECS1

Peoria IL HDTV

This makes no sense to me.

I have an omnidirectional from RadioShack, model 15-1634. It's on the roof.

I get "Weak Signal" for almost all the local's, 43.1,2, 20.1, 23.1, etc... I can however get Fox 18 from Davenport Iowa perfectly.

What am I doing wrong?


Joe

techie2

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501
Fortunately, the Superbowl is on ABC (WHOI) this year. Hopefully they will get their "upgrades" done and someone will remember to flip the appropriate switches.

The CBS network, enjoying superior ratings, would be understandably upset about an affiliate that won't even broadcast HD and is going to rely on a land line to the Insight building on Dries lane (about a half block from the WMBD studio) if I understand the "fiber" reference correctly.

FOX is of course in HD and doing a good job, although probably not the local originated programming (does WYZZ even have any "local programming"?). One of their employees was keeping the forum updated on the situation at WYZZ but he has not been heard from for a while.

Sinclair demanding compensation for HD cable carriage is a national policy, much discussed around here. A local asking for additional help would indeed be a little unusual. If Sinclair is getting money for carriage then they should be helping their locals to upgrade otherwise it becomes an unfunded mandate situation (like Illinois School Districts).

Historically, WMBD has had audio problems (sync type buzz) for about 30 years (it got worse when they went stereo). It will be interesting to see if they solve it with digital broadcasting.

None of the locals are presently doing any local HD broadcasting that I am aware of except WTVP which is a joke calling that HD. Yes fiber optic cable has been run to WMBD but they are a bit clueless as far as what to do with it. It wasn't Sinclair that was asking for "cash" to carry HD. As far as I understand it was WMBD and WHOI sorry about not being clear on that. According to Insight its the first time this has ever been demanded and you can imagine the precedent of agreeing to such a demand would set.

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

All of the locals are doing HDTV except for 31 (cheap owners), I have seen a couple of movies on 39.1 waoe (59) that were stunning quality and I thought that they were not doing hd.I watch all my CBS on sat in HD and may never watch 31 again. The movie a couple of weekends ago that I saw on WAOE was Hell Race or something like that, a bad "B" movie but the picture quality was so good it sucked me in. As for WTVP quality it is excellent and they have been HD for years, one of the first in the U.S. if you are not seeing good quality I would have to say that it is your equipment or the way you have it setup, I have 2 different setups (rear projection and an LCD 37 inch) and picture is stellar on both.

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

What's up with 43 ?

I got no digital signal on Monday Night.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsandy
What's up with 43 ?

I got no digital signal on Monday Night.

. . . Bud

Sandy, I haven't had any problems with WYZZ. I had a problem getting a signal on WHOI last night...but it's fine today!

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

I cannot get my TV to tune in to WYZZ now. I sent an email and their engineer is looking into it but doesn't see any problems at this time.

The odd thing is my TV (Toshiba 62HM94) has a Signal Meter and it shows a fine signal (78-80) but my TV will not tune in to either 43.1 or 28.1. More odd, the Signal Meter shows 28 as the real channel and 43.1 as the virtual which is correct. This happened a couple times in the past month or so and resetting the TV fixed the problem but not yesterday.

Hope they figure something out.


Actually - I just reset my TV again and it is working. So, maybe they fixed something this afternoon

latrobe

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamohum1
All of the locals are doing HDTV except for 31 (cheap owners), I have seen a couple of movies on 39.1 waoe (59) that were stunning quality and I thought that they were not doing hd.I watch all my CBS on sat in HD and may never watch 31 again. The movie a couple of weekends ago that I saw on WAOE was Hell Race or something like that, a bad "B" movie but the picture quality was so good it sucked me in. As for WTVP quality it is excellent and they have been HD for years, one of the first in the U.S. if you are not seeing good quality I would have to say that it is your equipment or the way you have it setup, I have 2 different setups (rear projection and an LCD 37 inch) and picture is stellar on both.

Actually 43 WTVP is multicasting. They are streaming 3 channels concurrently and compressing PBS HD below 10Mbps using the MPEG-2 platform. Evern over the air. The only full time WTVP engineer told me last week they are trying to incorporate MPEG-4 to see if they can "clean up" the picture. If you are getting what you would call and "excellent" picture, I'm not sure why Insight, and WTVP would have both acknowledged the problem. If it were my equipment I doubt I would see the HUGE difference between HDNet and WTVP. Although, trust me thats the first place I started. I'm not sure what equipment you have, but if you consider 10Mbps stellar, I wonder what you think of HDNet? Since you reference 39.1 in your post I assume you are getting your HD OTA? What other HD sources have you tried?

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by latrobe
I cannot get my TV to tune in to WYZZ now. I sent an email and their engineer is looking into it but doesn't see any problems at this time.

The odd thing is my TV (Toshiba 62HM94) has a Signal Meter and it shows a fine signal (78-80) but my TV will not tune in to either 43.1 or 28.1. More odd, the Signal Meter shows 28 as the real channel and 43.1 as the virtual which is correct. This happened a couple times in the past month or so and resetting the TV fixed the problem but not yesterday.

Hope they figure something out.


Actually - I just reset my TV again and it is working. So, maybe they fixed something this afternoon
Latrobe, you might find a better answer to your question in the Toshiba HD forum. I found many answers to my questions in the Samsung 1080p forum. The Toshiba DLP (HM/HMX) Owners Thread

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsandy
What's up with 43 ?

I got no digital signal on Monday Night.

. . . Bud
Quote:
Originally Posted by latrobe
I cannot get my TV to tune in to WYZZ now. I sent an email and their engineer is looking into it but doesn't see any problems at this time.

The odd thing is my TV (Toshiba 62HM94) has a Signal Meter and it shows a fine signal (78-80) but my TV will not tune in to either 43.1 or 28.1. More odd, the Signal Meter shows 28 as the real channel and 43.1 as the virtual which is correct. This happened a couple times in the past month or so and resetting the TV fixed the problem but not yesterday.

Hope they figure something out.


Actually - I just reset my TV again and it is working. So, maybe they fixed something this afternoon
Very weird. I ran into the same problems with WYZZ on my Hitachi a few months ago. Here are my posts about it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...n2#post6144805 I never did get a definitive answer on it, but if you do, please pass it along. And, another weird thing, whether it be coincidence or not, it seemed to happen on Monday nights for me as well. But within the next day or two, WYZZ would show up and act completely normal. Now, I haven't noticed if this has been happening in the last month or so, since I'm an Insight subscriber and have been watching WYZZ-HD through cable. Again, keep me posted on if you find any answers, but seems like we had a very similar problem going on.

grdn2

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by grdn2
Very weird. I ran into the same problems with WYZZ on my Hitachi a few months ago. Here are my posts about it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...n2#post6144805 I never did get a definitive answer on it, but if you do, please pass it along. And, another weird thing, whether it be coincidence or not, it seemed to happen on Monday nights for me as well. But within the next day or two, WYZZ would show up and act completely normal. Now, I haven't noticed if this has been happening in the last month or so, since I'm an Insight subscriber and have been watching WYZZ-HD through cable. Again, keep me posted on if you find any answers, but seems like we had a very similar problem going on.
I also eMail'd the engineer. (I was suprised that he eMail'd me back.)

I think someone boo boo'd and it was not broadcasting on the digital antenna.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

Has anyone had problem with WHOI 19.1 cutting in and out. It's like there is a bad storm and there is a transmission problem?

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Yes . . . But's it's been on for the last couple of days.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

I had hdnet when I had d*tv and they were also stellar, I now use bell expressvu for my larger setup in the basement and OTA only on the 37 inch LCD upstairs. I have only seen breakups rarely on WTVP and really not noticed a degraded picture quality. Mpeg-4 is not an option for any over the air broadcasts, was the engineer working on some sort of direct feed to Insight? If so then compression should not be an issue as a direct feed would have little need for it.



Quote:
Originally Posted by kurajo
Actually 43 WTVP is multicasting. They are streaming 3 channels concurrently and compressing PBS HD below 10Mbps using the MPEG-2 platform. Evern over the air. The only full time WTVP engineer told me last week they are trying to incorporate MPEG-4 to see if they can "clean up" the picture. If you are getting what you would call and "excellent" picture, I'm not sure why Insight, and WTVP would have both acknowledged the problem. If it were my equipment I doubt I would see the HUGE difference between HDNet and WTVP. Although, trust me thats the first place I started. I'm not sure what equipment you have, but if you consider 10Mbps stellar, I wonder what you think of HDNet? Since you reference 39.1 in your post I assume you are getting your HD OTA? What other HD sources have you tried?

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

I have Direct TV. I am running an off air antenna (outside) professionally installed. 19.1 came in well until last night. I thought it might be the wind. It looks like it is scrambling...green lines running through it at times. It looks like a signal when it rains real hard...and the signal fades in and out.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamohum1
I had hdnet when I had d*tv and they were also stellar, I now use bell expressvu for my larger setup in the basement and OTA only on the 37 inch LCD upstairs. I have only seen breakups rarely on WTVP and really not noticed a degraded picture quality. Mpeg-4 is not an option for any over the air broadcasts, was the engineer working on some sort of direct feed to Insight? If so then compression should not be an issue as a direct feed would have little need for it.
No, I think he feels they can get better picture quality with 4 while still multicasting the other two SD feeds. Really the only way to get the best quality is to limit the stream to one feed. MPEG also applies to OTA. Many people think that D*TV and Cable are the ones doing the compressing ,but that is not true. If a broadcaster chooses to compress a signal, which according to WTVP "everyone does", the compression occurs over the air as well as in direct feeds. Insight or any 3rd party operator has the option of compressing further if they dare. But for now they (Insight) garauntee that they are passing the feed as it is from the broadcaster. The difference between HDNet, Discovery, ESPN, vs. WTVP are COMPLETELY at opposite ends of the HD spectrum on my gear. Perhaps the LCD "evens" things out.

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

Mpeg4 is not part of the ATSC standard and cannot be decoded by the current OTA receivers so it is/can not be used by broadcast stations, they all must adhere to the Mpeg2 standard. WTVP seems to have boosted the signal a bit to 12 to 14 mbps not quite the 16 to 17 mbps as hdnet but pretty tight quality. DTV does alter the compression but M.Cuban had them agree not to mess with his signal as part of the deal on the free HDnet. As for insight they are notorious for screwing around with the compression I would not trust them to pass the full OTA bandwidth that they pull in.

"No, I think he feels they can get better picture quality with 4 while still multicasting the other two SD feeds. Really the only way to get the best quality is to limit the stream to one feed. MPEG also applies to OTA. Many people think that D*TV and Cable are the ones doing the compressing ,but that is not true. If a broadcaster chooses to compress a signal, which according to WTVP "everyone does", the compression occurs over the air as well as in direct feeds. Insight or any 3rd party operator has the option of compressing further if they dare. But for now they (Insight) garauntee that they are passing the feed as it is from the broadcaster. The difference between HDNet, Discovery, ESPN, vs. WTVP are COMPLETELY at opposite ends of the HD spectrum on my gear. Perhaps the LCD "evens" things out."

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamohum1
As for insight they are notorious for screwing around with the compression I would not trust them to pass the full OTA bandwidth that they pull in.
Well if I were any other place other than a conference call between Insight and WTVP I would agree to adhere to the wait and see policy. However Insight has CLEARLY shown a concern for PQ. I'm not sure what you mean by OTA bandwidth they pull in? Insight has a fiber connection from WTVP direct to WTVP owned equipment at Insight.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamohum1
WTVP seems to have boosted the signal a bit to 12 to 14 mbps not quite the 16 to 17 mbps as hdnet but pretty tight quality. DTV does alter the compression but M.Cuban had them agree not to mess with his signal as part of the deal on the free HDnet.
As of 1-23-06 WTVP was at 10Mbps. HDNet was at 19.4Mbps. If you are not getting 19.4 from HDNet Cuban would love to here it based on his e-mail which I have attached..The question I asked him was do they up-convert any broadcasts or compress the signal: (you can find his e-mail address on your own if you look hard enough...I thougt it not polite to post it here.)

>Mark Cuban <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.com> wrote: 100 pct our of our
> content is true hd. we dont upconvert anything. We dont
> accept upconverted content. We dont compress our content
>
> thanks,
>
> M
> Its Mavs time... for info www.mavs.com
> =HDNet, TV like you have never seen it before ! www.hd.net
> -Check out the hottest Mavs fashions at www.mavgear.com
> -www.blogmaverick.com

Also, when he said we do not compress anything I responded that I saw they have an MPEG-2 switching facility and could he explain... He responded:

>still do, thats the format for transmission. we encode to mpeg2 and broadcast 19.4
>thanks,
>
>M
>Its Mavs time... for info www.mavs.com
>=HDNet, TV like you have never seen it before ! www.hd.net
>-Check out the hottest Mavs fashions at www.mavgear.com
>-www.blogmaverick.com

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

I was not aware that there was fiber available for that type of link, well that should solve the bandwidth issue for WTVP as there would be no restrictions as to how much bandwidth they could provide to insight over a closed link, the OTA I was refering to was the typical way that insight gets its broadcast feeds, by antenna. As to Hdnets 19.4, yes that is what they send to the uplink, I do not hnow of anyone getting that full bandwidth from a provider, most sites that track that stuff are saying around 15 to 17 at the customer end. Give a call over to WTVP or check your bitrate, they have bumped it back up a bit and it seems they are trying to find the sweet spot.
If M.Cuban really wants to know what the actual bitrates from some different providers are he could check the websites that post that info, (there are a few and I am sure he checks them) or he could read posts on this and other forums, he used to post here way back when.
He still posts though not as much as a couple of years ago, (too many people giving him a hard time about silly stuff I suspect) here is a link to his posts
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/searc...archid=4139072




Quote:
Originally Posted by kurajo
Well if I were any other place other than a conference call between Insight and WTVP I would agree to adhere to the wait and see policy. However Insight has CLEARLY shown a concern for PQ. I'm not sure what you mean by OTA bandwidth they pull in? Insight has a fiber connection from WTVP direct to WTVP owned equipment at Insight.



As of 1-23-06 WTVP was at 10Mbps. HDNet was at 19.4Mbps. If you are not getting 19.4 from HDNet Cuban would love to here it based on his e-mail which I have attached..The question I asked him was do they up-convert any broadcasts or compress the signal: (you can find his e-mail address on your own if you look hard enough...I thougt it not polite to post it here.)

>Mark Cuban <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.com> wrote: 100 pct our of our
> content is true hd. we dont upconvert anything. We dont
> accept upconverted content. We dont compress our content
>
> thanks,
>
> M
> Its Mavs time... for info www.mavs.com
> =HDNet, TV like you have never seen it before ! www.hd.net
> -Check out the hottest Mavs fashions at www.mavgear.com
> -www.blogmaverick.com

Also, when he said we do not compress anything I responded that I saw they have an MPEG-2 switching facility and could he explain... He responded:

>still do, thats the format for transmission. we encode to mpeg2 and broadcast 19.4
>thanks,
>
>M
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dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

I have been told that fiber has been run to WMBD, WTVP, and WHOI. Yet they are still not hitting the bit rate that HDNet is. Im not sure what they are doing with the rest of the pipe but they certainly aren't giving it to HD. WTVP said they are running 3 feeds (2SD and 1HD), WEEK is also running 3 (2SD one of them is some weather feed and 1 HD). HOI is running 2 1SD and 1HD. I would assume or hope that the day we FINALLY turn off the analog signal that these SD's will go away. Who knows what they will use the pipe for then...I hope HD. I didnt spend this kinda money for half assed picture quality. Thanks for the link by the way...

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

I will have to check the other feeds on hoi and week, I only get one digital 19.1 from hoi and week I get 25.1 and 25.2. I wonder who paid for all that fiber and equipment, that is huge money from stations that were reluctant to even install the equipment needed to pass the HD feed.

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

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Originally Posted by dynamohum1
I will have to check the other feeds on hoi and week, I only get one digital 19.1 from hoi and week I get 25.1 and 25.2. I wonder who paid for all that fiber and equipment, that is huge money from stations that were reluctant to even install the equipment needed to pass the HD feed.
Well, remember when I said that they were asking for cash? That (in some cases) was the cash. Or so I am told

Not sure about the equipment, I was also told that most of them have been supplying their own equipment on Insight's end as well.

kurajo

Peoria IL HDTV

Has the OTA 31-3 (30-3) been out for the last few days.

. . . Bud

bsandy

Peoria IL HDTV

I believe it was up last night, I do not watch it much as there is no HD content.

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

Hey everyone,

I've got a question for the B/N folks.. I'm in North Normal and have had a UHF yagi up for a few years (the radioshack u-75r). It's aimed towards Peoria with no obstructions and works well. I'm not sure how/why, but I can pull in WAND 17 and WBUI 23 on analog very well, haven't plunged into digital yet.

I've heard really good things about the ChannelMaster 4228, but I really like getting 17 and 23 and am afraid that if I change my antenna, I would lose them.

Can anyone from B/N confirm they can get 17 and 23? Maybe I'm just in some weird spot where I can pull it, but just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

sgilani

Peoria IL HDTV

I'm not in B/N but since no one has chimed in, I'll comment. A Yagi is pretty directional but the 4228 has a broader pickup range and higher gain. This could help or hurt. Higher gain for distance but more possibilities for multipath; only experimentation will tell.

A 4228 should mount on a mast above or below your current antenna. I'd mount both and run two coax cables down to a switch or seperate inputs (my MyHD has two antenna inputs). If you are up there working, a longer mast or rotor might be an appropriate upgrade. In the pre-cable past, people would mount one antenna in a fixed direction (your Yagi since it works?) and one on a rotor.

17 and 23 are probably coming in on the back of your antenna (possibly a bounce, however) and the grid on a 4228 would probably block that.

zaphod7501

Peoria IL HDTV

I am in Bloomington/Normal and also receive 17 and 23. I get an HD channel from 17. The only problem I have is 19.1...they fade in and out. I do get ABC 20 on HD, so I don't care!

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

I am new here and have been reading through some of the threads. I am in Northeast Normal and also have been having problems with 19.1. It was intermittent for about a week (I just got HDTV about two weeks ago) and for the last 4 days it's been completely out. I tried running an amplifier from my incoming antenna coax....that didn't help. Looks like my antenna is pointing almost northwest, which is strange because I had been getting Decatur and Springfield channels. Thoughts?

cbfrey

Peoria IL HDTV

I am trying to figure that 19.1 problem out myself.

I found out this morning that WHOI and WMBD denied my waiver request to receive locals from NY. They need to improve their services if they're going to deny people their right to be provided better reception.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Yeah, I filled out the waiver form a few months ago (just for the analog NY affiliates...since CBS doesn't come in worth a darn) and was denied too.

cbfrey

Peoria IL HDTV

Anyone know if this is true?? I just spoke to WMBD's engineering dept. and they told me they just broke ground for a new transmitter to give them the HD capability. They said they budgeted 1.5 million dollars to get this project done.

Anyone believe this? I told them to tell the corporate office to do me a favor and not host any major sporting events until they can get HD quality reception.

cbsstinks

Peoria IL HDTV

Yeah, I've been holding out on HDTV until we get WHOI and WMBD settled in.. cbsstinks, which antenna are you using? I'm thinking about calling up Superior Satellite and ask them what they think, hopefully they would know how the 4228 would perform.

sgilani

Peoria IL HDTV

I do not know why they think they need to break any ground, they just need to install the equipment needed to pass the HD feed they already have a digital channel on the air, a new tower is not needed.


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Originally Posted by cbsstinks
Anyone know if this is true?? I just spoke to WMBD's engineering dept. and they told me they just broke ground for a new transmitter to give them the HD capability. They said they budgeted 1.5 million dollars to get this project done.

Anyone believe this? I told them to tell the corporate office to do me a favor and not host any major sporting events until they can get HD quality reception.

dynamohum1

Peoria IL HDTV

You may want to just try putting a rotator on your yagi, I don't think that you are going to find an adequate solution in a more omnidirectional antenna. Also a pre-amp may help for the Peoria stations, channelmaster 7777 is a good choice.


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Originally Posted by sgilani
Yeah, I've been holding out on HDTV until we get WHOI and WMBD settled in.. cbsstinks, which antenna are you using? I'm thinking about calling up Superior Satellite and ask them what they think, hopefully they would know how the 4228 would perform.

dynamohum1

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