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Updated: 2008-06-11 08:30:06 (4394)
Dallas TX HDTV

I say we share some info, and I'll start.

Reciever: Zenith HD-SAT520
Antenna: Channel Master Stealth (Model 3010)
Amp: None
Area: South Arlington
Channels Recieved:
4-1 Fox
5-1 NBC
8-1 ABC
8-2 Weather Map
11-1 CBS
13-1 KERA
21-1 UPN/HDNET
21-2 Weather Map
27-1 KDFI
33-1 WB
39-1 Don't Watch
48-1 Don't Watch
51-2 Don't Watch
68-1 PAX

All channels come in with good signal strength and no dropouts since I went to using the Stealth Antenna.

E4B

Answers: Dallas TX HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Dallas TX HDTV

I believe the Rangers games are produced by the team and not by KDFI. You might ask the Rangers' management to think about doing some games in HD. BTW, it is not very likely the stadium is wired for HD at this point. I suspect the games are produced by means of a remote truck, rented for the game or the season. Most trucks are not yet HD, except for those used by the networks.

I'm a little removed from the programming action in Dallas, so my suppositions may be wrong (I'm an RF guy). Check with the Rangers.

dtv4u

dtv4u

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dtv4u
I believe the Rangers games are produced by the team and not by KDFI. You might ask the Rangers' management to think about doing some games in HD. BTW, it is not very likely the stadium is wired for HD at this point. I suspect the games are produced by means of a remote truck, rented for the game or the season. Most trucks are not yet HD, except for those used by the networks.

I'm a little removed from the programming action in Dallas, so my suppositions may be wrong (I'm an RF guy). Check with the Rangers.

dtv4u
I think its a KDFI issue but its worth an email to the Rangers. It would be fun to be ignored by them as well.

IIRC last year, when local Fox 4 takes the game from KDFI the game is in HD. Of course this only happens a handful of games on weekends during the summer. This would imply that the HD cameras are actually there all the time. Whether there is an HD production truck on the premisis at all times is another question I suppose.

If KDFI could broadcast in HD why have they never put one second of HD programming on?

billt1111

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt1111
IIRC last year, when local Fox 4 takes the game from KDFI the game is in HD.

Sure would have been nice Monday afternoon

mp3trojan

Dallas TX HDTV

I live in Valley Ranch...basically 635 and Macarthur. I have received channel 11 without any problems until a few weeks ago. Now I can't get it at all...everything else still comes in fine. I have a Terk outdoor slim profile (square one) antenna that I have in my attic along with a set of rabbit ears. (It's amazing that adding the rabbit ears pulled in some of the channels!)

Has anyone else had trouble receiving 11 recently? I don't understand why all of a sudden it's gone. In fact, I've started receiving channel 27 which I previously could not get. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.

texasaggie95

Dallas TX HDTV

27-1 went from 10 kilowatt to 1 megawatt last week. You should receive a much higher signal strength in Valley Ranch, obviously. However, you should have been able to receive it fine before since you are only about 12 miles from Cedar Hill.

Channel 11-1 has not changed at all, to my knowledge. I am receiving the Masters right now in glorious HD.

billt1111

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt1111
I think its a KDFI issue but its worth an email to the Rangers. It would be fun to be ignored by them as well.

IIRC last year, when local Fox 4 takes the game from KDFI the game is in HD. Of course this only happens a handful of games on weekends during the summer. This would imply that the HD cameras are actually there all the time. Whether there is an HD production truck on the premisis at all times is another question I suppose.

If KDFI could broadcast in HD why have they never put one second of HD programming on?
Your inference is not correct. Cameras go with the remote truck, generally. The stadium may have permanent camera cabling, but probably has no actual electronic infrastructure (i.e. cameras, control rooms, switchers, etc). Usually, they will have some fairly low-end SD equipment that supports the Diamond Vision or similar display, but that is not for broadcast. For TV production, especially HD, a production truck is rolled in, bringing its own cameras, switcher, audio, etc. BTW, unless the truck is hired for the entire season, it comes in a day or so in advance of the game and is gone shortly after the game.

dtv4u

dtv4u

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt1111
27-1 went from 10 kilowatt to 1 megawatt last week. You should receive a much higher signal strength in Valley Ranch, obviously. However, you should have been able to receive it fine before since you are only about 12 miles from Cedar Hill.
I think Valley Ranch is more than 12 miles to Cedar Hill!! More like 20+!
Tom in TX

Tom in TX

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by mp3trojan
Mabye some of you can use this as a reference to signals from Dallas OTA to possibly help you troubleshoot problems.

Situation here is:

D* H-20
Channel Master deep fringe antenna. (circa 1977)
Channel master CM-7777 AMP
40 foot tower.

I live 90 nautical miles NE of Cedar Hill

Signal levels of the major nets as of this posting are:

KDFW 4-1: 100% Solid

KXAS 5-1: 98-100% fluctuating

WFAA 8-1: 82-93 fluctuating HEAVILY!!!

KTVT 11-1: 100% Solid

KERA 13-1: 84-86% fluctuating

KTXA 21-1: 100% Solid

KDAF 33-1: 100% Solid

WFAA has been weak here lately.
I gave these signal reports 3/16.

As of this post, 11-1 is between 80 and 88%. A definate difference here. AFAIK, the band is normal, no tropo. (Same equipment)

mp3trojan

Dallas TX HDTV

I JUST RECORDED 6 HOURS OF NOTHING. LITTLE OR NO OTA SIGNAL DURING THE MASTERS B-CAST.

I have not missed a televised MOMENT of this golf tournament in 10 YEARS....until now.

YES, there is definately a (insert expletive) problem somewhere. It's not here! Before I posted this, I made DAMN sure. Got signal now. Why not then????

Today was the day I was supposed to be free of the dancing grasses of HD Lite.

This is a dark day.
I'm done now.

mp3trojan

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Serenity
Anyone heard about new HD channels coming to TWC North Texas? I saw a post about that on the Time Warner HD thread...anyone have info to verify that?
I have been told by a sales represenative this info and there will be mailings at the end of the month or begining of next month

effective 3/27
they will add:
National geographic hd
cnn hd
tbs hd
a&e hd
history channel hd
golf/versus hd
fsn sw hd
food network hd
hgtv hd

heres proof of room to add them at 3 per qam, each on channels:
15 129mhz
94 645mhz
116 747mhz

kevin120

Dallas TX HDTV

52 sig is strong again. It was at the hi end of bad & lo end of normal. Now it's way up in the 'Good' range.

be6

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin120


I have been told by a sales represenative this info and there will be mailings at the end of the month or begining of next month

effective 3/27
they will add:
National geographic hd
cnn hd
tbs hd
a&e hd
history channel hd
golf/versus hd
fsn sw hd
food network hd
hgtv hd

heres proof of room to add them at 3 per qam, each on channels:
15 129mhz
94 645mhz
116 747mhz
Will these channels be able to be picked up with just qam or will they require a cable card?

Silent Z

Dallas TX HDTV

Does anyone know where I can pick this mast up in the Ft. Worth area? I've tried Rat Shack, Lowes, various hardware stores including Ace and True Value affiliated. Seems all you can find are 5' and 10' sections. I prefer not to order this online as it would be a severe PITA to have it delivered.

Junglerock

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin120


I have been told by a sales represenative this info and there will be mailings at the end of the month or begining of next month

effective 3/27
they will add:
National geographic hd
cnn hd
tbs hd
a&e hd
history channel hd
golf/versus hd
fsn sw hd
food network hd
hgtv hd
I got an email tonight from TWC saying that all of these channels have been added; however, they have not shown up yet, and a call to Time Warner resulted in a puzzled response over the phone. The phone rep said he hadn't heard of this, but he would look into it. I guess we can keep our fingers crossed!

Active Speaker

Dallas TX HDTV

just got my samsung lnt4661 hooked up and let it find all the channels. I currently have charter communications with no cable box. I just have the coax cable from the wall running into the tv. Here are the DTV channels I am getting

NBC (5) HD WEATHER 90-2
NBC (5) HD 91-1
FOX (4) HD 91-3
CBS (11) HD 94-1
KTXA (21) HD 129-2
PBS (13) HD 129-1
CW (9) HD 111-1

I also get all kinds of music channels starting with 129 if memory serves me. I do not have an external antenna hooked up to the set.
These channels come in anywhere from 480i up to 1080i

coheedfan73

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Active Speaker
I got an email tonight from TWC saying that all of these channels have been added; however, they have not shown up yet, and a call to Time Warner resulted in a puzzled response over the phone. The phone rep said he hadn't heard of this, but he would look into it. I guess we can keep our fingers crossed!
I haven't received an e-mail like that. We did receive the TWC magazine for March in the mail today and it makes no mention of any additional HD channels for our area. So far the only thing I've seen about additional channels has been what's been posted here and the same info posted on the TWC thread. But I do hope it is correct.

bernie33

Dallas TX HDTV

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Active Speaker

Dallas TX HDTV

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Whatever came after "click here" wasn't in your post. What did you see when you clicked on the link in the original note?

Bernie

bernie33

Dallas TX HDTV

Duplicate post.

TTYL
David

DaveDFW

Dallas TX HDTV

Here's the URL for the TWC communication:

dallas-mail.timewarnercable.com/Portal/content/dallas/ret/Newsletters/2008/March/
march08ENLDallas.aspx?u=xxx%40tx.rr.com&a=View&s=14090&b=108 39

I have too few posts to be allowed to post the complete URL--just concatenate those two lines together (and remove the space before 39--I'm not sure why it keeps adding that).

Whoever is responsible for writing these emails at TWC should learn the difference between past, present and future tense. "More HD Channels Added" normally would mean that it has already happened, when in fact the addition is not scheduled to happen until March 27.

TTYL
David

DaveDFW

Dallas TX HDTV

Now I have enough posts to do this:

http://dallas-mail.timewarnercable.c...=14090&b=10839

TTYL
David

DaveDFW

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveDFW
Now I have enough posts to do this:

http://dallas-mail.timewarnercable.c...=14090&b=10839

TTYL
David
Thanks! I hadn't seen that page, but it points to another page that I did easily find when I was trying to track this down. Of course none of those pages actually list channel information, let alone dates. And, as you've pointed out, you would think that the word added would mean it had already happened.

I think they just screwed up and pre-announced. There is a comment box at the bottom of the newsletter page and I sent this comment:
Quote:
This newsletter says "More HD Channels ADDED as the first topic. But those channels aren't actually available (yet) and they aren't listed in the programming guide either. Can you clarify?
Plus my e-mail address so that they have a way to reply.

bernie33

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie33
Whatever came after "click here" wasn't in your post. What did you see when you clicked on the link in the original note?

Bernie
I wasn't necessarily trying to link to the "click here" address; I was simply posting the message I got so that everyone could see that they had sent me a message claiming an upgrade. I would like to know why everyone keeps throwing around March 27, because I have yet to see where this date is coming from.

Active Speaker

Dallas TX HDTV

That's the date being thrown around in at http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rema...665~start=1040

stewlevine

Dallas TX HDTV

Thanks. It looks like it will happen; I'll believe it, when I see it!

Active Speaker

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Active Speaker
Thanks. It looks like it will happen; I'll believe it, when I see it!
No kidding. Past HD rollouts by Comcast/TWC have been either the "surprise, there's a new channel" variety or missed the announced date.

Does anyone know HOW they're implementing this. Where is the bandwidth coming from?

htevolution

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by htevolution
No kidding. Past HD rollouts by Comcast/TWC have been either the "surprise, there's a new channel" variety or missed the announced date.

Does anyone know HOW they're implementing this. Where is the bandwidth coming from?
It looks like we have three empty qam's below 750mhz:

ch 15 - 129mhz
ch 94 - 645mhz
ch 116 - 747mhz

Since TWC is squeezing in 3 HD channels per qam, that's enough room for 9 HD channels. I'd have to study the qam chart to see where the last 2 HDs would fit.

I'm with you on the poor notification...we wouldn't have to speculate on the dates if some effort was made to either keep their web page updated, or inform their CSRs about upcoming changes.

TTYL
David

DaveDFW

Dallas TX HDTV

David,

You seem pretty knowledgeable about this: How does the resolution of over-the-air channels compare to the HD channels on TWC?

Active Speaker

Dallas TX HDTV

Sorry, I can't get any OTA at my house, so I can't make a direct comparison.

TTYL
David

DaveDFW

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Junglerock
Does anyone know where I can pick this mast up in the Ft. Worth area? I've tried Rat Shack, Lowes, various hardware stores including Ace and True Value affiliated. Seems all you can find are 5' and 10' sections. I prefer not to order this online as it would be a severe PITA to have it delivered.
Junglerock, it's been a while since you posted your enquiry so you may not need the info anymore. But if you're still looking, Fry's Electronics on 635 in Irving had them in stock the last time I was in the store about 3 weeks ago. The Fry's on Northwest Hwy had one on display last week with an 8-bay antenna on it, but I didn't look to see if they had any in a rack. You might try one of those stores.

GlennInTexas

Dallas TX HDTV

Is any one in the Denton Charter area able to receive ABC on QAM? ABC is the only clear channel my M780 doesn't pick up.

kiz

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennInTexas
Junglerock, it's been a while since you posted your enquiry so you may not need the info anymore. But if you're still looking, Fry's Electronics on 635 in Irving had them in stock the last time I was in the store about 3 weeks ago. The Fry's on Northwest Hwy had one on display last week with an 8-bay antenna on it, but I didn't look to see if they had any in a rack. You might try one of those stores.
Thanks! I will have to check it out.

Junglerock

Dallas TX HDTV

Is anybody else on Time Warner - Carrollton having problems with channels 369 WFAADT and 375 KTVTDT? I am not getting the full 16x9 format.
BTW, 363 KXAS DT is OK, full 16x9 format.

Must be the weather?


Ok once they went to network at 7:00PM the problem went away.

rudiger

Dallas TX HDTV

Does anyone have an email contact at WFAA. I would like to express my disappointment in their inability to keep the shows in HD while the run through the weather closings TWICE. NBC manages to do it why cant they? I half considered turning off lost and going to eat dinner. I can watch it in HD on the web tomorrow.

majik99

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by majik99
Does anyone have an email contact at WFAA.
Not exactly an email, but the link does get you to a form...

WFAA 8 (ABC)
606 Young St., Dallas, TX, 75202
Main phone number: 214-748-9631
Web form email link: http://www.wfaa.com/customerservice/HelpCenter.do

120inna55

Dallas TX HDTV

WFAA is ruining the broadcast of Lost too. Doesn't WFAA have an entire separate channel dedicated to weather?

TTYL
David

DaveDFW

Dallas TX HDTV

Zoom will get rid of the streaming.

18 is # 1

Dallas TX HDTV

there is a test channel at 861mhz

and snr has gone to 38.0+

kevin120

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin120
there is a test channel at 861mhz

and snr has gone to 38.0+
I'm also getting TV Land at analog channel 135, which is right at 860mhz. Is that what you're seeing?

TTYL
David

DaveDFW

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by joshbish
Can anyone confirm that TNT HD is gone from QAM? I'm not getting it on scan anymore. It looks like I'm getting HDNET now though.
And now HDNET is gone for me too, think it happened in the last week or two?

MsrHulot

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by K5ING

Is WFAA-HD actually on the air right now? I hate to mess with a bunch of stuff only to find out they're having technical problems at the moment. Any other ideas or suggestions would be good too. I can't wait to tell Dish to stuff their local channels up their rectifier.

TIA, Jeff in the Greater Krum Metro area
WFAA-DT is my strongest signal in Plano.....so they are on the air.

kmoe

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris White
Watched the Mavericks last night on Fox Sports Net Southwest, channel 774 (Charter Hi-Def Lifeline) for about 45 minutes and then the signal stopped. I switched over to MOJO, channel 797 (Charter - Hi-Def View) to watch the Spurs. Same deal - no signal. Are these games blacked out for local viewing? It's odd that they were on for awhile and then went off.
I believe that the Mojo broadcast will be blacked out if the game is being carried by FSN-SW. I can't help you with what might be happening specifically with FSN-SW-HD, as they *still* haven't turned it on here in Denton (all we get are color bars).

rosenkavalier

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by MsrHulot
And now HDNET is gone for me too, think it happened in the last week or two?
Happened a few days ago here.

roche976

Dallas TX HDTV

its on channel 796 next hdnet and its on 741mhz encrypted

kevin120

Dallas TX HDTV

Hey, we got a new channel!! Everytime TWC sends me the monthly news email, I reply with a request for more HD chnls. Keep asking folks. Maybe we're being heard.

OneTruMag

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by K5ING

Is WFAA-HD actually on the air right now? I hate to mess with a bunch of stuff only to find out they're having technical problems at the moment. Any other ideas or suggestions would be good too. I can't wait to tell Dish to stuff their local channels up their rectifier.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kmoe
WFAA-DT is my strongest signal in Plano.....so they are on the air.
WFAA is a very low power DTV station, broadcasting with a power of only 18.6 kW, where everyone else is using from 200 kW to 1000 kW of power. I've been exchanging emails with Walt Zwirko, WFAA's tech guy, and he told me it's because of another station in central Texas that also uses Ch. 9, and they can't interfere with each other. When analog goes away, WFAA will move back down to Ch. 8 for their DTV and increase their signal strength to where it should be.

Jeff in Krum

K5ING

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by K5ING
WFAA is a very low power DTV station, broadcasting with a power of only 18.6 kW, where everyone else is using from 200 kW to 1000 kW of power. I've been exchanging emails with Walt Zwirko, WFAA's tech guy, and he told me it's because of another station in central Texas that also uses Ch. 9, and they can't interfere with each other. When analog goes away, WFAA will move back down to Ch. 8 for their DTV and increase their signal strength to where it should be.

Jeff in Krum
WFAA's power levels will always be lower than everone else's because they are VHF. VHF wavelengths are longer than UHF wavelengths so less power is needed. So, WFAA's electric bill is MUCH, MUCH, lower $$$ than everyone else's because of this. Fortunately their DTV channel's radiated footprint is identical to their analog one.

kmoe

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by kmoe
WFAA's power levels will always be lower than everone else's because they are VHF. VHF wavelengths are longer than UHF wavelengths so less power is needed. So, WFAA's electric bill is MUCH, MUCH, lower $$$ than everyone else's because of this. Fortunately their DTV channel's radiated footprint is identical to their analog one.
Funny, they've always been my strongest!?!?

18 is # 1

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
WFAA's power levels will always be lower than everone else's because they are VHF.
Regardless, I'm surprised that Disney/ABC wouldn't place more importance on the #5 Nielsen market area.

Chris White

Dallas TX HDTV

ABC doesn't own WFAA-TV -- it's owned by Belo Corporation, and is affiliated with ABC. That's one reason why WFAA is about the only station in the area that identifies itself with call letters and channel number instead of network and channel number (ie, "WFAA-8" instead of "ABC-8"). Aside from that, WFAA has always been a very strong performer for ABC, so I don't think that ABC would quibble with Belo over the transmitted power of their digital channel.

Finally, I think that there is a recognition within the industry that some channels are being forced to temporarily operate with inferior digital facilities until the digital transition is complete.

Thomas Desmond

Dallas TX HDTV

I have a problem. Today I started getting an electric green line running from top to bottom on 5.1 (NBC HD). Anybody else getting this. I'm not getting it on any other channels which is strange, and it also tells me it's not the tv.

Vizion47

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vizion47
I have a problem. Today I started getting an electric green line running from top to bottom on 5.1 (NBC HD). Anybody else getting this. I'm not getting it on any other channels which is strange, and it also tells me it's not the tv.
I didn't notice any lines during the Pats vs Eagles game last night. I was watching OTA on my Samsung LCD, which has very little overscan compared to my Sony RP HDTV.

dishbacker

Dallas TX HDTV

Thanks. This is really strange. It's not on the other channels, and it's only on nbc in dot by dot mode. LC-46D64U sharp btw

Vizion47

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
ABC doesn't own WFAA-TV
Yes, I know. GM doesn't own Sewell Cadillac either, but I doubt GM would be happy if Sewell hadn't painted its building since 1950.
Quote:
some channels are being forced to temporarily operate with inferior digital facilities
If WFAA is totally without recourse in addressing this problem (hard to believe), then of course I can understand ABC's forbearance, if not the irrational decision-making of the FCC.

Of course, if WFAA would just charge Charter a reasonable fee, this wouldn't be an issue for cable subscribers. Or is there a reason this also isn't WFAA's fault?

Chris White

Dallas TX HDTV

In today's Star-Telegram, there is a full page Dish Network ad that says, "YOU WON'T GET GREEN BAY VS. DALLAS On Time Warner or Charter."

In the sports section, the paper reports that the game is carried on KDFI. KDFI IS carried by Charter. What's the deal? Is there some catch (the game is blacked out, some Charter's carry KDFI and others don't, etc.) or is this deceptive advertising?


Chris White

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris White
In today's Star-Telegram, there is a full page Dish Network ad that says, "YOU WON'T GET GREEN BAY VS. DALLAS On Time Warner or Charter."

In the sports section, the paper reports that the game is carried on KDFI. KDFI IS carried by Charter. What's the deal? Is there some catch (the game is blacked out, some Charter's carry KDFI and others don't, etc.) or is this deceptive advertising?

NFL Network has the rights to this game. It will be carried locally in the DFW and Green Bay/Milwaukee markets on local stations, however. I imagine it is a matter of using the same ad in all markets by Dish; but yes, it could be considered somewhat deceptive (or possibly more correctly, inaccurate) in this particular market (and/or in GB/Mil).

Randy

IFLYSWA

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by IFLYSWA
NFL Network has the rights to this game. It will be carried locally in the DFW and Green Bay/Milwaukee markets on local stations, however. I imagine it is a matter of using the same ad in all markets by Dish; but yes, it could be considered somewhat deceptive (or possibly more correctly, inaccurate) in this particular market (and/or in GB/Mil).

Randy
Does anyone know if KDFI will actually feed the HD signal? When the 'Boys were on MNF, the ESPN HD feed was sent through on KTXA 21 HD... then again, KTXA does a lot of HD shows these days (namely news and mavs games for a few years now).

Guess I'll just watch the game on NFL Network HD on Dish Network.

dishbacker

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by dishbacker
Does anyone know if KDFI will actually feed the HD signal? When the 'Boys were on MNF, the ESPN HD feed was sent through on KTXA 21 HD... then again, KTXA does a lot of HD shows these days (namely news and mavs games for a few years now).

Guess I'll just watch the game on NFL Network HD on Dish Network.
TitanTV didn't show it to be in HD, but I just got off the phone with KDFI's programming department and they assured me it will be broadcast in HD....

Randy

IFLYSWA

Dallas TX HDTV

Thanks Randy!

Chris White

Dallas TX HDTV

Any Directv'ers in DFW seeing pixilation on CBS11 HD lately?

sigmaace01

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris White
Yes, I know. GM doesn't own Sewell Cadillac either, but I doubt GM would be happy if Sewell hadn't painted its building since 1950.
If WFAA is totally without recourse in addressing this problem (hard to believe), then of course I can understand ABC's forbearance, if not the irrational decision-making of the FCC.

Of course, if WFAA would just charge Charter a reasonable fee, this wouldn't be an issue for cable subscribers. Or is there a reason this also isn't WFAA's fault?
1. The TV spectrum is pretty congested in North Texas, so WFAA may well be without recourse until the analog shutdown.

2. What comprises a "reasonable fee" for WFAA-DT to be carried on Charter? I don't know how much money Belo wants, but I suspect that the amount that Charter is willing to pay is somewhere around zero. WFAA-DT does have the right to expect some sort of compensation in return for cable companies making money off their product.

Thomas Desmond

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris White
In today's Star-Telegram, there is a full page Dish Network ad that says, "YOU WON'T GET GREEN BAY VS. DALLAS On Time Warner or Charter."

In the sports section, the paper reports that the game is carried on KDFI. KDFI IS carried by Charter. What's the deal? Is there some catch (the game is blacked out, some Charter's carry KDFI and others don't, etc.) or is this deceptive advertising?

The ad is deceptive and flat wrong. If you have KDFI on your cable system, you will see the game - period.

arnoldevns

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by arnoldevns
The ad is deceptive and flat wrong. If you have KDFI on your cable system, you will see the game - period.
Well only if you live in the Dallas Fortworth area.

kiz

Dallas TX HDTV

I have a DB4 in my attic that picks up all the stations. The one thing I can't figure out is why I can't pickup channel 8.1 which is ABC but I can pickup 9.1 which appears to be the same thing. Anyone care to lay some knowledge on me? Thanks!

GAM5

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by GAM5
I have a DB4 in my attic that picks up all the stations. The one thing I can't figure out is why I can't pickup channel 8.1 which is ABC but I can pickup 9.1 which appears to be the same thing. Anyone care to lay some knowledge on me? Thanks!
9.1 is the RF channel for 8.1. Your tuner is doing what it's supposed to do.

Dallas-Ft. Worth KSTR-TV TeleFutura 49.n RF 48
KERA-TV PBS 13.n RF 14
KDFI-TV My TV 27.n RF 36
KXAS-TV NBC 5.n RF 41
KUVN-TV Univision 23.n RF 24
KPXD ION 68.n RF 42
KTAQ-TV Independent 47.n RF 46
KTXA Independent 21.n RF 18
KFWD Independent 52.n RF 51
KLDT Independent 55.n RF 54
KDTX-TV Independent 58.n RF 45
KDTN Independent 2.n RF 43
KXTX-TV Independent 39.n RF 40
KMPX Independent 29.n RF 30
KDFW FOX 4.n RF 35
KDAF CW 33.n RF 32
WFAA-TVABC 8.n RF 9
KTVT CBS 11.n RF 19

120inna55

Dallas TX HDTV

My other stations come in to their "normal" channel i.e. 4 tunes to 4.1. Why is 8 different?

GAM5

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by GAM5
My other stations come in to their "normal" channel i.e. 4 tunes to 4.1. Why is 8 different?
Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. I suspect it's just your tuner's way of dealing with it.

120inna55

Dallas TX HDTV

Thanks for your help!

GAM5

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Desmond
ABC doesn't own WFAA-TV -- it's owned by Belo Corporation, and is affiliated with ABC. That's one reason why WFAA is about the only station in the area that identifies itself with call letters and channel number instead of network and channel number (ie, "WFAA-8" instead of "ABC-8"). Aside from that, WFAA has always been a very strong performer for ABC, so I don't think that ABC would quibble with Belo over the transmitted power of their digital channel.

Finally, I think that there is a recognition within the industry that some channels are being forced to temporarily operate with inferior digital facilities until the digital transition is complete.

I have been told that WFAA's current power level allows them to duplicate their analog signal's footprint (just like everyone else in the market) and when they move their DTV signal to RF channel 8, their power level will still duplicate their current analog footprint (just like everyone else in the market) but their power levels are different than everyone else's because WFAA's transmitter is a VHF and everyone else's is a UHF.....its a law of physics. VHF frequencies/channels are lower than UHF frequencies/channels thus the wavelength is longer than UHF and requires less power to go the same distance of a UHF.

kmoe

Dallas TX HDTV

Has anyone tried a total ghetto DYI set-up in the Dallas Market? In the past Iíve been able to pick up a great analog signal just by running 3 or 4 feet of stripped coax cable (stapled to the back of my Entertainment Center) into my old Sony 27? CRT. I donít have a digital tuner in any of my home equipment right now (I will remedy that on Boxing Day) so I canít run a test yet myself. Iím just wondering if anyone has plugged a nice long piece of metal into an HDTV to see what kind of signal they can pull.

Has anyone on this thread tried anything like that?

fistofsouth

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasAg1996
I live about 40 miles away from the transmitters in north Dallas. I have a single coax cable with about 3.5 feet of exposed wire (stripped of all insulation). It's mounted horizontally in a closet within the interior of my house (where my wiring closet is). No amplifier is used. I get all stations in Dallas, including WFAA. Talk about cheap!
.

DubC

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by beowulf7
But there are antennae optimized for OTA HD (digital) vs. OTA SD (analog).
You have peaked my interest. I have not heard this before and would be interested in an explanation.

DubC

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DubC
You have peaked my interest. I have not heard this before and would be interested in an explanation.

I'll bite too. As an RF engineer I am always anxious to hear about new science. I am curious to know how an antenna that is designed to be a resonant part of a tuned circuit for a given frequency or set of frequencies knows whether the information carried by the electromagnetic waves is NTSC or ATSC.

billt1111

Dallas TX HDTV

channel 27, for some reason i cannot program anymore, 2 weeks ago it was fine and now when i program 36 it tells me channel 99. any info or help would be appreciated.

eljonron

Dallas TX HDTV

Anyone watching the Mavs game on 21-1 right now? I'm hearing really bad popping noises on the audio. Don't hear them on the SD broadcast though. Anyone else getting this?

Swack

Dallas TX HDTV

k guys longtime coming. Finally got HD through the air. Picked up a Zenith silver sensor for around 40 bucks. Got 27 digital channels coming in now. A few questions, earlier in the day is said nbc was 720p, now with jay leno its 1080i. Letterman is also 1080i. Do any local stations run 720p as thats the native resolution of my tv?

neo22

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swack
Anyone watching the Mavs game on 21-1 right now? I'm hearing really bad popping noises on the audio. Don't hear them on the SD broadcast though. Anyone else getting this?
mine has popped a few times due to reception but when i moved the antenna it stopped

neo22

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by eljonron
channel 27, for some reason i cannot program anymore, 2 weeks ago it was fine and now when i program 36 it tells me channel 99. any info or help would be appreciated.
I can't get channel 27.1 either, on both my H20 receiver and my HR20 DVR (which has the OTA upgrade). The signal strength is fine but the tuners will not decode the signal, I suspect 27.1 has done something with their PSIP data and my receivers don't like it. What type of OTA tuner are you using??

texasbrit

Dallas TX HDTV

It's still coming in on the bedroom TV. On the main setup though, it will not. I tried disconnecting scanning, connecting rescanning and nothing. Even got the 108 download for the HR-20 and pulled everything in through that but still no 27-1. I can look in the antenna setup on the HR-20 and it shows strong signals for that channel, but if I try to tune it in I get "771 searching for signal".

On a side note, I believe something has changed with KDFI. I get this channel via D* MPEG 4 and prior to this past weekend anything I recorded from this channel (Dallas Stars hockey) the playback would be unwatchable because of studdering playback. Now everything plays back fine.

Maybe it has something to do with a hardware change at the station level. I don't know..

SFS97

Dallas TX HDTV

I Live in Plano. I am in the process of evaluating different OTA antenna for my HDTV. I plan to place it either indoor or in the attic. Going over the recent posts, it appears that Terk HDTVi is the one that seems to pull all (most) of the OTA channels including WFAA around this area (Plano, Allen, Mckinney). I am evaluating a RCA ANT706 - which seems very directional, and am able to get only about 15 channels or so which would include FOX (2), NBC(2), CBS, 52 and a few other channels. Notable channels missing are KERA, UPN, KDTV (Ch 27 - although there is some problem with this recently based on the posts) and of course WFAA. BTW, this antenna is placed in the middle of the room (on the 2nd floor).

Would my conclusion about TERK being the best so far in this area a reasonable one? I also would like to know if you placed the antenna in the same room or in the attic or outside. I understand the fact that what works out for one may not work for another, but just wanted to get as many inputs.

Thanks for yor help.

harinibrk

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by harinibrk
I Live in Plano. I am in the process of evaluating different OTA antenna for my HDTV. I plan to place it either indoor or in the attic. Going over the recent posts, it appears that Terk HDTVi is the one that seems to pull all (most) of the OTA channels including WFAA around this area (Plano, Allen, Mckinney). I am evaluating a RCA ANT706 - which seems very directional, and am able to get only about 15 channels or so which would include FOX (2), NBC(2), CBS, 52 and a few other channels. Notable channels missing are KERA, UPN, KDTV (Ch 27 - although there is some problem with this recently based on the posts) and of course WFAA. BTW, this antenna is placed in the middle of the room (on the 2nd floor).

Would my conclusion about TERK being the best so far in this area a reasonable one? I also would like to know if you placed the antenna in the same room or in the attic or outside. I understand the fact that what works out for one may not work for another, but just wanted to get as many inputs.

Thanks for yor help.
The best indoor antenna is probably the Silver Sensor but it's UHF so has a problem with WFAA. KERA although it's UHF can be tough to get also. The HDTVi is a silver sensor "clone" with "rabbit ears" for VHF. If the HDTVi does not work for you indoors then probably no indoor antenna will.
Directional antennas are fine for DFW, all the transmitters are basically in the same place at Cedar Hill. If you have to move the direction of the antenna between stations you are probably getting multipath, which a more directional antenna often solves.

You can try the antenna in the attic and it may perform better than in a room but Texas attics are full of A/C equipment and many have metallic lining in the roof which can be a killer. If you can't get stable reception on the HDTVi then your best bet is a CM4228 - you can try this in the attic, it should work for you in Plano but if it does not you will need to mount it outside. I have one in the attic (metallic lining and all) at 40 miles from the antenna farm (I am just east of Allen) and it gets everything....

texasbrit

Dallas TX HDTV

I sent an email to kdfi, I'l let you know if I get a response.

SFS97

Dallas TX HDTV

I had e-mailed them also...

In the DHTG forum there was a post suggesting that the problem was linked to the station leasing a subchannel to USDTV....that might make sense, if the receiver is trying to decode both subchannels and one of them is authorized only to USDTV customers, that would be a problem...

texasbrit

Dallas TX HDTV

I have emailed both KDFI and KDFW, and left a phone message with KDFW (the parent station). I have a standalone converter and a Dell HDTV (37" LCD) which can't even map KDFI, although my Dish Network receiver can recognize KDFI and produces indications of a strong signal but either no picture at all or with many signal drop outs and pixels. This, as others have noted, just began to happen recently. And why does KDFW have the lowest signal strength of ANY of the local digital broadcasters? I get a signal strength reading of 100 on Channel 52, but I'm lucky if I get as high as 76 for KDFW. Right now, with KDFI, I get a signal strength of 96, but with lots of drop outs, etc. Obviously there's a problem, and just as obviously they don't seem to care a lot about it. Guess we'll have to wait 'til 2009 before we can say we have a legitimate beef!

mrterryc

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by texasbrit
I had e-mailed them also...

In the DHTG forum there was a post suggesting that the problem was linked to the station leasing a subchannel to USDTV....that might make sense, if the receiver is trying to decode both subchannels and one of them is authorized only to USDTV customers, that would be a problem...
I saw that. I hope they can do something about this. So, it has different effects on different tuners? What does this say about the tuner in my Symphonic WF32L6 that's still bringing it in at 95-99% signal strength, and 3 other tuners will not?

SFS97

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by texasbrit
The best indoor antenna is probably the Silver Sensor but it's UHF so has a problem with WFAA. KERA although it's UHF can be tough to get also. The HDTVi is a silver sensor "clone" with "rabbit ears" for VHF. If the HDTVi does not work for you indoors then probably no indoor antenna will.
Directional antennas are fine for DFW, all the transmitters are basically in the same place at Cedar Hill. If you have to move the direction of the antenna between stations you are probably getting multipath, which a more directional antenna often solves.

You can try the antenna in the attic and it may perform better than in a room but Texas attics are full of A/C equipment and many have metallic lining in the roof which can be a killer. If you can't get stable reception on the HDTVi then your best bet is a CM4228 - you can try this in the attic, it should work for you in Plano but if it does not you will need to mount it outside. I have one in the attic (metallic lining and all) at 40 miles from the antenna farm (I am just east of Allen) and it gets everything....
Thanks for the help. The only reason for me to try HDTVi compared to CM4228 is because HDTVi is available locally and could possibly return it if it does not work. I believe CM4228 is available only online - I am not sure if any store in DFW carries them. You are right about the attic containing the AC equip and metal linings. I saw an AD for an antenna in today's Fry's - it is a CM but did not list the model #. Will have to check it out there.

harinibrk

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by harinibrk
Thanks for the help. The only reason for me to try HDTVi compared to CM4228 is because HDTVi is available locally and could possibly return it if it does not work. I believe CM4228 is available only online - I am not sure if any store in DFW carries them. You are right about the attic containing the AC equip and metal linings. I saw an AD for an antenna in today's Fry's - it is a CM but did not list the model #. Will have to check it out there.
FYI

The CM antenna's at Fry's are not near the TV section. They are usually around the telephone section.

DubC

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by harinibrk
Thanks for the help. The only reason for me to try HDTVi compared to CM4228 is because HDTVi is available locally and could possibly return it if it does not work. I believe CM4228 is available only online - I am not sure if any store in DFW carries them. You are right about the attic containing the AC equip and metal linings. I saw an AD for an antenna in today's Fry's - it is a CM but did not list the model #. Will have to check it out there.
The pic they show there sure looks like a 4228....not that it is necessarily the one they are actually selling...

Randy

IFLYSWA

Dallas TX HDTV

I have seen them at Fry's in Plano from time to time- and yes, they are not where you expect them to be. They are usually on one of the aisles running towards the computer hard disk display....

texasbrit

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by harinibrk
....I saw an AD for an antenna in today's Fry's - it is a CM but did not list the model #. Will have to check it out there.
I got my CM4228 at the Fry's in Arlington about 2 months ago. As the others have noted, (at the Arlington store) it was near the hard drive & computer memory area and even then the CM4228 (flat square box) was at the opposite end of the row from the VHF antennas (long narrow box) with other items between them.

MC

FTWMike

Dallas TX HDTV

27-1 is back up for me.

SFS97

Dallas TX HDTV

And for me also.

There is an opportunity for HR20 owners to get a new beta version of the software TONIGHT, version 0x10b. Go to the HR20 forum at dbstalk for details.

texasbrit

Dallas TX HDTV

The home page for channel 21 doesn't show the game as HD. That's awful if true.

mbuser

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbuser
The home page for channel 21 doesn't show the game as HD. That's awful if true.
Channel 11 carried a Cowboys game from ESPN in the pre-season in HD. (it was the one in Shreveport) If tonight's game is not in HD on 21, I suspect it's because it was not offered that way to 21 by the NFL Network.

We'll see tonight at 7.

arnoldevns

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by arnoldevns
Channel 11 carried a Cowboys game from ESPN in the pre-season in HD. (it was the one in Shreveport) If tonight's game is not in HD on 21, I suspect it's because it was not offered that way to 21 by the NFL Network.

We'll see tonight at 7.
Bob Sturm on The Ticket said that it would be in HD OTA on 21-1 KTXA-DT

We'll see....

Edit: In the past I recall members of this site reporting that their local affiliate was showing the NFL Network game in HD.

SFS97

Dallas TX HDTV

Its in hd, strangly enough I can't get 8.1-8.3 now

neo22

Dallas TX HDTV

anybody got a digital outage on TW this morning? I am in Plano and I am getting no digital channels, via either one of my STB or a QAM tuner. Just says Channel to be Available Shortly.

Tarheel72

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by etzeppy
Been having trouble receiving 27.1 since yesterday. It was received fine prior to Sunday (I think). I've rescanned channels but I can't get it. Just curious if it's my setup or if something is up over at KDFI.
As of Friday (12/15) I was still unable to receive 27.1 but I got it back on Saturday. Hopefully everyone having trouble has it back too. Hard to believe a TV broadcaster would let something like this go for so long.

Was surprised to see that 21.1 carried the Cowboys game in HD last night.

etzeppy

Dallas TX HDTV

Tarheel,

Things appear to be okay here in Frisco...

Randy

IFLYSWA

Dallas TX HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveDFW
I'm also getting TV Land at analog channel 135, which is right at 860mhz. Is that what you're seeing?

TTYL
David
no it is a black picture arlington is just now starting the upgrade.

kevin120

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