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Updated: 2008-06-11 08:30:06 (2938)
Tucson AZ HDTV

Welcome to the Tucson, AZ official all-in-one HDTV Thread. The next few posts will provide a central reference for the current state of affairs in Tucson. Please post any new info or corrections so we may keep this updated frequently. Thank you.

This post contains the current OTA DTV status for Tucson. The following posts are reserved for Cable and other station info.

OTA DTV (Mt. Bigelow):
{Station – Ntwk - (UHF Ch)}
{V-Name - V-Ch – Audio – Prog - Res}
  • KVOA-DT – NBC - (23)
    KVOA-DT - 4.1 - 2CH - HD - 1080i
  • KUAT-DT – PBS - (30)
    KUAT-SD -2CH - SD - 780x480
    KUAT-KID - 2CH - SD - 704x480
    KUAT-V-Me - 2CH - SD - 704x480
    KUAT-Create - 2CH - SD - 704x480
  • KGUN-DT – ABC - (35)
    KGUN-DT - 9.1 - DD5.1 – HD - 720p
  • KMSB-DT – FOX - (25)
    KMSB-DT - 11.1 - DD5.1 – HD - 720p
  • KOLD-DT – CBS - (32)
    KOLD-DT - 13.1 - DD5.1 – HD - 1080i
    KOLD-DT2 - 2CH - SD - 704x480 (Weather/NewsNow)
    KOLD-Tube "To Be Announced" - 2CH - SD 704x408
  • KTTU-DT – UPN - (19)
    KTTU-DT - 18.1 - 2CH – SD - 1080i
OTA (Non-Mt. Bigelow DTV Stations):
  • KUAS-DT - PBS - (28)
    KUAS-DT - 27.1 - 2CH – HD - 1080i
  • KWBA-DT – CW - (44)
    KWBA-DT - 58.1 - 2CH – SD - 1080i
    KWBA-DT2 - 58.2 - 2CH - SD - 704x480
  • KHRR-DT – TEL - (42)
    KHRR-DT1 40.1 - 2CH - SD - 704x480 641mhz
    KUVE-DT1 - 46.1 - 2CH - SD - 704x480 671mhz
    KUVE DT2 - 46.2 - 2CH - SD - 704x480 671mhz
Links:
See http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels for up-to-date list of OTA channels - Enter zip code.
See www.antennaweb.org for pointing info relative to your location.
See http://titantv.com for HD programming info.

Answers: Tucson AZ HDTV ( AVS Forum Local HDTV Info and Reception )
Tucson AZ HDTV

Oh, that's a great feature, luckily I don't think I will need it.

sytyguy

Tucson AZ HDTV

Hi all, I'm a new transplant to the area (Sahuarita actually) and want to voice a +1 to the HD news broadcasts. The PQ is absolutely FANTASTIC and I only watch the news on that channel because of it.

EskimoPie

Tucson AZ HDTV

Comcast just added HGTV HD and Food HD. I beleive that gives tucson every HD channel currently avaible on comcast.

babrown92

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by tucson_bill
I took the Rich's question to be "are the cablecos required to offer the local HDs". The answer to that, as we know is that they aren't. All the FCC rule says is that they can't charge you extra. It doesn't require them to provide the service. Hence the current state of affairs with KGUN. So you have the answer to both questions.
That's true but If some of the local stations refuse (and we all no who they are) to provide the HD signal the cable company cannot carry it.

If the local HD stations allow them to rebroadcast it Comcast does provide it at no extra charge over basic service. I just subscribe to basic cable service and I receive the HD digital signals for UPN , PBS, CBS and FOX at no additional charge.

Now if the other two greedy holdouts who care far more about a few extra bucks then the potential viewing audience would get with the program it would be great.

RJRSW

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by RJRSW
I think this is what you were looking for and can be tuned in with no cable box on QAM capable sets:

From the March/April 2003 issue of The Perfect Vision, page 33:

"The FCC requires these local [HDTV] digital channels to be part of 'basic service,' the lowest-price tier of service offered by the cable company (and the only one that's regulated by law), though it doesn't mandate that signals be sent out unencrypted. So if all you want is to see is every local [HDTV] digital broadcast channel offered by your cable company today, you can receive them at the cost of 'basic service' and an HD-box rental..."
There is also another ruling (sorry, no link for it, and the fcc site is utterly useless for finding stuff) that says that channels in the lowest tier can not be encrypted, and this does apply to the locals in HD as well. If they exist on the cable, they must be available to you. Most cable companies are complying with this now, although it was a bit rocky in the old days. This also means that for cable companies that are implementing digital simulacasts that these channels should also be available in the clear, and indeed when Cox was doing it up here, they were.

coyoteaz

Tucson AZ HDTV

Thanks guys, for the update/info on that question. I just found out my LG3200A is not QAM capable, I guess I should have read the documentation first. Funny though, I did receive several SD channels, but not all of them. Oh, this is in Nevada, through Charter, which does offer about 4 HD channels.

The reason I am subd to this thread, is that I am moving to Tucson next year when our house is built.....can't wait.

Again thanks,

Rich

sytyguy

Tucson AZ HDTV

For those that live in the Sabino Canyon/Cloud area, which antenna are you using?

I picked up the US Digital receiver from Wal-Mart the other day. I bought a Phillips antenna to have something to play with while I antenna shop. The Phillips did not get KGUN or KVOA. The other channels were marginal.

I want to try a Zenith Silver Sensor but did not find it at the Park Mall Sears. Perhaps the Tucson Mall Sears? Also thinking of trying the Radio Shack 15-1880 antenna. Not sure about needing the amp or not. WalMart.com sells a Phillips Silver Sensor that looks completely different than the Zenith Silver Sensor. Anyone have experience with that one? Ideally I'd like to buy locally so I can easily return ones that don't perform well.

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

You can find a Silver Sensor at the Tucson Sears, I was just there and they had one, I tried one at my apartment and it didn't work as good as my Terk bow-tie (don't know model number) but maybe it will work for you.

Sunkist

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunkist
You can find a Silver Sensor at the Tucson Sears, I was just there and they had one, I tried one at my apartment and it didn't work as good as my Terk bow-tie (don't know model number) but maybe it will work for you.
What part of town is your apartment in? Do you have a fairly clear view of the Catalinas?

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

I am on Oracle near Grant (moving soon though) and the only channel I don't get well is 58, I can get it but then I loose most everything else. I was hoping the silver sensor would fix this but it was a little worse in reception in the same area I have me terk. My Terk is amplified and that helps it a bit I believe.

Sunkist

Tucson AZ HDTV

I picked up a Silver Sensor tonight. The channels I do get, come in a bit stronger. Even got a couple more including WB network. However I still can not get KGUN or KVOA. I even tried manually receiving these and I can not get them. Are they broadcasting? Its odd that I cannot receive anything at all for these two.

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

KVOA & KGUN are both broadcasting. I watched the Busch race on KVOA today without any reception issues. Although they seemed to switch to SD whenever they had a storm alert ticker

Of all the channels on Bigalow(sp?) I get KGUN the strongest and KOLD the weakest. Surprised that you're receiving some from there and not others.

Reading back I see your in rough terrain. I wonder if it's an issue with the broadcast antenna height. Someone mentioned once to try aiming the antenna in all directions, as you might pick up a multicast from a direction you'd least expect.

Good Luck

Billy

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

I was able to get KVOA today, and did see some of the race. Not sure why it came in now and not before. However, still no joy for KGUN.

I have a longer coax and temporarily placed the antenna on the roof so it had line of sight vision to the mountains. Still no KGUN. But the other channels were a bit stronger. I might investigate a small roof top antenna. I don't really want one of the larger ones.

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

Scott:

Just wanted to know where you were able to find the Silver Sensor antenna. Is this made by Zenith? Thanks. Jimmy

JimmyDaves

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjncdogsrule
I was able to get KVOA today, and did see some of the race. Not sure why it came in now and not before. However, still no joy for KGUN.

-- Scott
I couldn't receive KGUN HD/digital around 7 PM, when I wanted to check Extreme Makeover. I did get it on analog channel 9, and decided the show was a bore. At 9PM, for Desperate Housewives, KGUN came in perfect in HD. Perhaps they powered down/off digital during passing storms?

Jimmy - I know you're asking Scott, but FYI the Tucson Mall Sears had several Silver Sensors, which carry the Zenith name, and they now have one more when I returned one yesterday. I went with the Terk HDTVi with 10 db amp from Radio Shack ($49.99), which worked better than the Silver Sensor for me.

Happy HDTV viewing, y'all - I'm off tomorrow for 2 weeks in sunny Nicaragua

DaveinVegas

Tucson AZ HDTV

BTW, there doesn't seem to be any way to change one's user name, so I made a new membership to get me out of Lost Wages and into sunny Tucson.

DaveinTucson

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyDaves
Scott:

Just wanted to know where you were able to find the Silver Sensor antenna. Is this made by Zenith? Thanks. Jimmy
I got it at the Tucson Mall Sears as Sunkist and DaveinVegas(Tucson) mentioned in their posts. Sears still had 2 remaining (as of Friday). And it is the Zenith Silver Sensor.

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

HD Users:

ABC will not be providing an HD feed from 8/23/05 through 8/26/05 in order to upgrade its HDTV release facility. Because the upgrade involves the replacement of a router, there will be NO SD feed either.

Therefore, during this four day period, KGUN will be upcoverting its analog signal.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

Ray Depa
VP & GM
KGUN-DT

Ray Depa

Tucson AZ HDTV

Dave & Scott:

Thank you both for your help and advice. I guess I have two different antennas to scope out now. In my area, we have Cox Cable but I haven't yet subscribed to the Hi Def channels since I postponed getting a HDTV. I've only been in my new apartment for 2 weeks and still trying to get settled. I got a 32" Sharp TV from BestBuy on sale for $259 (definitely a bargain) to hold me over until I spring for the big widescreen HDTV.

From my balcony, I have a clear view of the Catalinas so hopefully I will be able to bring in those OTA hi def signals since Cox apparently doesn't have local Hi Def (except for PBS).

Again, thanks for the help and advice. Jimmy

JimmyDaves

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyDaves
Dave & Scott:

From my balcony, I have a clear view of the Catalinas so hopefully I will be able to bring in those OTA hi def signals since Cox apparently doesn't have local Hi Def (except for PBS).
My son has Cox and I believe he also now gets the CBS HD signal in addition to PBS.

RJRSW

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Depa
HD Users:

Ray Depa
VP & GM
KGUN-DT
Ray,
Would you have any idea why KGUN is the only OTA channel I cannot receive? Are there any dead spots in their transmission?

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

Scott,

In an earlier post I think I saw that you are in the Sabino Canyon/Cloud Road area. I am in the Sabino Canyon/Snyder Rd. area in Hidden Valley, just about 3 miles due North of your area. I have to use an outdoor antenna to get any of the stations, KGUN being one of the lowest signal levels, but the signal is there and stable. I am 10.1 miles South of Bigelow with no line of sight to the towers on Bigelow.

Down at KGUN, in the Speedway/Kolb area, with a set of VHF/UHF rabbit ears, I get KGUN the strongest and cannot get KVOA/KOLD, but have line of sight to Bigelow. KGUN is about 16 miles South of Bigelow. You are located about 13 miles South of Bigelow and should be able to get everything from Bigelow with the right antenna.

You may want to try antennaweb org and enter your address. The database will return your orientation to Bigelow and also recommend what sort of antenna you may need to receive all of the stations from Bigelow.

Good Luck,

Steve

cesomerville

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cesomerville
Scott,

In an earlier post I think I saw that you are in the Sabino Canyon/Cloud Road area. I am in the Sabino Canyon/Snyder Rd. area in Hidden Valley, just about 3 miles due North of your area. I have to use an outdoor antenna to get any of the stations, KGUN being one of the lowest signal levels, but the signal is there and stable. I am 10.1 miles South of Bigelow with no line of sight to the towers on Bigelow.

Good Luck,

Steve
Steve,
What outdoor antenna are you using?

If I get one, I think I would like one of the smaller ones like the Winegard Square Shooter. Not sure how that would work however. Maybe it would be best to get one of the Radio Shack outdoor antennas?

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

Just curious if anyone experienced KMSB 11-1 tuning problems over last week or so. My Panasonic plasma ATSC tuner makes a loud pop anytime I try going to 11-1 and then flips to VCR Mode! I never see any video before it switches though the call letters are there below the channel number.

It use to work fine and all other digital OTA stations are coming in ok. I just can't get 11-1 any longer. My antenna is fine because my other tuner (in my computer) on the exact same cable picks up 11-1 at 81%, as usual.

I thought maybe an error in the PSIP signal could cause this. I can't understand how the TV itself could fail on only one station. However, I'll check the other forums for this possibility. Thanks.

Update: It started working again today! Though I get two small blinking dash marks near the top 1/4 of the screen. Anyone else see these?

Carey P

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjncdogsrule
Steve,
What outdoor antenna are you using?

If I get one, I think I would like one of the smaller ones like the Winegard Square Shooter. Not sure how that would work however. Maybe it would be best to get one of the Radio Shack outdoor antennas?

-- Scott

Scott,

After the indoor antenna did not work (generic VHF/UHF rabbit ears), I tried the SS2000 on the roof. I found only one spot on the roof where I could get all of the stations, so I mounted it there. The next issue was that my signal levels were marginal on KVOA/KGUN/KTTU. My Sony with integrated DTV tuner requires 50% out of 100% to lock in the signal, and I was around 41-49% for those three channels.
The other issue was that the SS2000 does not perform as well on VHF as UHF. The VHF is important to me because I want to verify that KGUN analog is on the air, and when the DTV transition is complete, KGUN plans to be VHF DTV channel 9. So I installed a Channel Master VHF/UHF 3671 antenna (designed for far fringe reception) and a Radio Shack preamp, and a rotator for this huge antenna. I can now get all of the VHF channels very well, and all of the DTV channels good to well. I needed the rotator to spin the antenna around to get 58.1 from Sierra Vista, and I can also get the KGUN ch.16 translator from the Tucson Mountain area. Luckily I have a flat roof with lots of space. I tried a 5' mast but it did not make any difference, so I have a 2' mast that can't be seen from the street.

I do not have line of sight to Bigelow and am shooting through the neighbor to the North's trees, not a good scenario. I can rotate the antenna from 28-32 degrees with respect to Bigelow and any distance outside of those values I lose what little signal I have to work with.

If you can see the Bigelow towers at night from your roof then the SS2000 will probably be fine. I would recommend walking the roof with the antenna and have someone in the house give you signal strength numbers from your receiver before you permanently install the antenna. It was surprising how much of a difference a few feet made in my case.
If you can't see the towers then I have heard a good outdoor antenna for UHF is the Channel Master 4228 and probably a preamp. If you want to go VHF/UHF I think Lowe's sells Channel Master antennas, and they have one more appropriate for you location, meaning smaller. I did some shopping online at SolidSignal and StarkElectronics. I personally have not had good luck with Radio Shack antennas, but that's just my opinion.

I apologize for the long post, but wanted to share my experience. I also asked the wife if we could move to a location with line of sight to Bigelow, but that request was quickly denied!

Steve

cesomerville

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by cesomerville
Scott,

If you can see the Bigelow towers at night from your roof then the SS2000 will probably be fine. I would recommend walking the roof with the antenna and have someone in the house give you signal strength numbers from your receiver before you permanently install the antenna. It was surprising how much of a difference a few feet made in my case.
If you can't see the towers then I have heard a good outdoor antenna for UHF is the Channel Master 4228 and probably a preamp. If you want to go VHF/UHF I think Lowe's sells Channel Master antennas, and they have one more appropriate for you location, meaning smaller.

Steve
Steve, Thanks for all the information!

I do have line of sight to the antennas from the roof, but may have one tree blocking depending on where the antenna would be mounted.

In doing a little online research last night, I found some info on the Channel Master 4221 a 4 bay bowtie and Antennas Direct DB2 a 2 bay bowtie. I've read people have had good success with these providing given certain conditions are met. They are relatively small and inexpensive. I found the Square Shooter to be a mite expensive compared to other types of antenna.

These are multi-directional verse uni-directional. Not sure if I would get extra multipath signals that would hurt the signal reception.

-- Scott

sjncdogsrule

Tucson AZ HDTV

I also see the two small dashes near the top of the screen on KMSB-DT

Rommel42

Tucson AZ HDTV

To add to all the recent discussion about antennas.......

In Tucson, just about everyone is very close to the antenna towers. If you are less than 30 miles from it you are close. The only issue here is line of sight. If you don't have line of site you are receiving multipath signals ( reflections). If you have LOS a simple indoor antenna will usually do. If you don't have LOS you need a very directional, high gain UHF antenna.

I do not have LOS and I have experimented with many outdoor antennas. I have tried 3 from Radio Shack, a couple of Terks and the Winegard Square shooter (plus several others). The best, by far, was the bowtie/screen type. I use the Channel Master 4221 4 bay. I know someone who has the 4228. The most expensive, the Square Shooter, was the worst.

The use of signal amplifiers for a multipath reception issue is not usually a good idea (although it can work sometimes). The reason is with multipath you are actually receiving multiple vesions of the same signal slightly shifted in phase (time) and of varying signal strengths. In the old analog world this would cause ghosting. With digital it is a much bigger problem, Your system, antenna and receiver, has to pick out and stay locked on only one of these. It does not have to be the strongest signal. So, the best method is to use a very directional antenna since the multipath signals usually arrive at your antenna from different directions. That is also why sometimes, with multipath, the best direction to point is not necessarily right at the towers. And, as others have pointed out, you have to experiment with location and height of antenna. Before I got the 4221, which works for me almost anywhere, my best location was lying flat on a lounge chair on my patio. You may also find you need different locations for each station, even in the case where the transmitters are on the same tower on Mt. Bigelow.

babakanoosh

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rommel42
I also see the two small dashes near the top of the screen on KMSB-DT
Thanks. Now I know it's not just me. Appears to happen only on SD broadcasts like during commercials.

Last night during the dance program I got bad lipsync delay starting after the commercial break. I tried switching channels to 9-1 and then back to 11-1 and got the same problem I reported earlier. It flipped me back to VCR mode. Later that night after 10pm I tried 11-1 again and it was ok. Someday I'll get to the bottom of this...

Carey P

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjncdogsrule
In doing a little online research last night, I found some info on the Channel Master 4221 a 4 bay bowtie and Antennas Direct DB2 a 2 bay bowtie. I've read people have had good success with these providing given certain conditions are met. They are relatively small and inexpensive. I found the Square Shooter to be a mite expensive compared to other types of antenna.

These are multi-directional verse uni-directional. Not sure if I would get extra multipath signals that would hurt the signal reception.

-- Scott
I wouldn't say the 4 & 2 bay bowtie antennas are "multi-directional". Their polar pattern is wider than an 8 bay bowtie or a yagi. "less-directional" is more appropriate.

AnthemAZ.HDTV

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthemAZ.HDTV
I wouldn't say the 4 & 2 bay bowtie antennas are "multi-directional". Their polar pattern is wider than an 8 bay bowtie or a yagi. "less-directional" is more appropriate.
For me the 4 bay bow tie works good. In Scottsdale pointed at 130 degrees I get all Phoenix stations at 186 degrees and all Tucson stations at 126 degrees, except WB.
The newer receivers also handle multipath much better than the older ones. My original Samsung was lousy comparded to my new USDTV receiver from Wal mart.

tockcc

Tucson AZ HDTV

Hello I have been reading through most of this thread and excuse me if I missed this question being asked earlier.

I live in Rita Ranch and was wondering if anyone out there is using a Voom box with an indoor antenna, or would I need to get an outdoor one.

Antenna shows all yellow for this location now (which is different than they showed about a month ago). I do have LOS of the towers on Mt Bigelow.

AzGuardGuy

Tucson AZ HDTV

With Emmis selling KGUN to Journal Communications, I'm hoping that KGUN will finally let the cable companies carry their digital material.

phlewt

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPeterman
Is anyone having low signal problems with FOX OTA? I'm at Campbell & Prince with line-of-site to Bigalow. I get 80 to 100% signal for all other Bigalow channels but I'm down to 20% on Fox. This has been an intermittent issue for me since last spring. I'm using a roof mounted Winegard PR-440 antenna and a MyHD MDP-120 card. I'm thinking of getting a larger antenna but it's hard for me to blame my own hardware since I get the other channels flawlessly.

Any suggestions and/or comments would be appreciated.
KMSB (FOX) currently has problems with their broadcast equipment and their signal strength is only at 65 (meter on my tuner) when it's normally at 75. This has happened a couple of times the past couple of months and Walcott Dennison the engineer for KMSB has resolved the issue by restarting the broadcast equipment on Mt. Bigelow. The last time it happened he thought he knew what the problem was and was planning on getting it fixed. Apparently they haven't yet though or it's a new problem or broke again if it was repaired. Problem is the signal is weak but not out and I can still get one of my tuners to work, but others won't. There isn't anyone to call at KMSB either to let them know it's malfunctioning so it probably won't get fixed until Monday at the earliest unfortunately. If someone knows how to reach someone at KMSB or Mr. Dennison, they can probably get it fixed for tomorrow's NFL game if they are just told about the problem somehow. If you used to get FOX fine and don't know, don't change anything, the signal will be back at normal strength and it will work again as soon as they restart their system. You can find previous posts about this issue if you look back in this thread a page or two.

opnupurize

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by opnupurize
...If someone knows how to reach someone at KMSB or Mr. Dennison, they can probably get it fixed for tomorrow's NFL game if they are just told about the problem somehow.
And before 24 starts tomorrow night!

Carey P

Tucson AZ HDTV

I agree, have Direct TV and utilize OTA for the local high def. My DirectTV local channels stink. I live near Grant and Tanque Verde. I utilize a samsung powered in house OTA antenna that works great for a bedroom sony 40 inch LCD amd a radio shack powered in house for an office smsung dlp. Unfortunatley, I cna never get good reception for my biggest tv in the family roo, went on the rooyesterday to try a terk roof mount in hopes of getting fox for today's Bears game but need to go up and re-direct How much do trees factor in ? I have a lot of big trees in line of sight to bigelow
we need Direc Tv to giv e us our locals in high def (as well as the Golf Chanel
Braindoc

braindoc

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey P
And before 24 starts tomorrow night!
No kidding, this is a huge weekend for Fox. For people still having problems, I think they have a sister station in Phoenix. Maybe if you can get intouch with their news desk or something, you may have some luck.

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

Has anyone noticed a drop in picture quality on Cox in the HD channels? It seems that over the last 2 weeks or so the channels have really dropped off. At first I thought it might be my DLP set, but just as I am thinking that, something comes on that looks amazing.

Could they be playing some games with the contract renewal going on?

scottsfj40

Tucson AZ HDTV

For those of you who have 24 recorded in HD OTA, you will be disappointed to see that KMSB lost the HD feed during the last 15 minutes of the show. I haven't seen that happen in some time. Hopefully it was just a one-time fluke. Seems their switching has been much improved over the last year.

gworkman

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gworkman
For those of you who have 24 recorded in HD OTA, you will be disappointed to see that KMSB lost the HD feed during the last 15 minutes of the show. I haven't seen that happen in some time. Hopefully it was just a one-time fluke. Seems their switching has been much improved over the last year.
Odd, I watched the two hour episode tape delayed last night and it never dropped out of HD. I think there was one glitch in the recording, but I don't recall when. I don't know if the glitch was my equipment or theirs.

I just recently hooked up HD recorders to my MythTV so I was nervous yesterday watching the 2 football games and then 24, all time shifted. But it went off without a hitch. Hopefully it works well again tonight.

I'm recording OTA from around Alvernon & I-10.

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottsfj40
Has anyone noticed a drop in picture quality on Cox in the HD channels? It seems that over the last 2 weeks or so the channels have really dropped off. At first I thought it might be my DLP set, but just as I am thinking that, something comes on that looks amazing.

Could they be playing some games with the contract renewal going on?

I usually will catch a movie on UniversalHD or watch sports on ESPN1/2HD. I noticed recently a couple of college basketball games were not very crisp and they there was a decent amount of noise around the players and any movement.

But I've watched other games and sportscenter football hightlights that look great. I think what I've seen has been subpar setups at the location of the event rather than an issue with Cox.

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

So I got a notice from Cox that although their rates are going up, mine will stay the same since I had a bundle plan.

Then it goes on to state that the rental for my HD receiver is going up $2. I can't believe how pissed I got about $2 last night. It's like I was in a movie trying to get my $2. I wonder what kind of improvements I'm going to get in my receiver now that it costs an extra $2. Yep, that would be none.

I guess the receiver that they already paid for and that I've been renting for 2 years just got more expensive, imagine that.

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

Anyone have issues with Monday's broadcast of 24? I lost about 15 minutes of the show. 2 gaps of about 5-10 minutes during the program. Using OTA with HR10-250.

gworkman

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by toastyfries
So I got a notice from Cox that although their rates are going up, mine will stay the same since I had a bundle plan.

Then it goes on to state that the rental for my HD receiver is going up $2. I can't believe how pissed I got about $2 last night. It's like I was in a movie trying to get my $2. I wonder what kind of improvements I'm going to get in my receiver now that it costs an extra $2. Yep, that would be none.

I guess the receiver that they already paid for and that I've been renting for 2 years just got more expensive, imagine that.
I feel your pain.I too have a package deal with Cox for the internet, phone, and cable. I am real close of taking the equipment down to their office and telling them to shove the entire system up their A**. What balls they have to increase the monthly service and Cox can not even proivide a service worthy of watching. If I could find a better package with Dish or Direct I would. I need to have a system with 4 receivers with one of the receivers having HD with DVR, Internet, and phone. Does anyone have a clue what Cox charges just for internet and phone?

DodgeViper

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gworkman
Anyone have issues with Monday's broadcast of 24? I lost about 15 minutes of the show. 2 gaps of about 5-10 minutes during the program. Using OTA with HR10-250.
I only got through the first hour last night, but no issues so far. Keeping fingers crossed for when I go home tonight.

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

My Cox bill for internet, phone, and long-distance is now running about $75/month.

jhays

Tucson AZ HDTV

I read recently where Cox made a deal for Tivo to provide service through Cox. Maybe the increase of $3 for the DVR box is to cover that? Software downloads may be forthcoming? I dont think much of the lousy quality and lack of HD locals, but the pricing is hard to beat. I have been shopping for a new service--but cannot find a better deal with 3 HD TVs, 2 with DVRs.

glenngreen

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gworkman
Anyone have issues with Monday's broadcast of 24? I lost about 15 minutes of the show. 2 gaps of about 5-10 minutes during the program. Using OTA with HR10-250.
My HR10-250 had two gaps, leaving me with ... you know, I was going to say a 1:55 recording, but now that I think about it I think it may have been a 1:45 recording, which would mean I lost the same 15 minutes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by glenngreen
I read recently where Cox made a deal for Tivo to provide service through Cox. Maybe the increase of $3 for the DVR box is to cover that? Software downloads may be forthcoming?
Not likely. I'm pretty sure that the TiVo work is happening on Motorola boxes. Cox hasn't been using Motorola boxes here in Tucson.

Mind Voyager

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by glenngreen
I read recently where Cox made a deal for Tivo to provide service through Cox. Maybe the increase of $3 for the DVR box is to cover that? Software downloads may be forthcoming? I dont think much of the lousy quality and lack of HD locals, but the pricing is hard to beat. I have been shopping for a new service--but cannot find a better deal with 3 HD TVs, 2 with DVRs.
The $3.00 has nothing to do with Tivo. When the Tivo service becomes available, it will be a premium add-on.

gworkman

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DodgeViper
I feel your pain.I too have a package deal with Cox for the internet, phone, and cable. I am real close of taking the equipment down to their office and telling them to shove the entire system up their A**. What balls they have to increase the monthly service and Cox can not even proivide a service worthy of watching. If I could find a better package with Dish or Direct I would. I need to have a system with 4 receivers with one of the receivers having HD with DVR, Internet, and phone. Does anyone have a clue what Cox charges just for internet and phone?
You do get a discount "bundled" plan for internet and phone. You may also end up with "free" basic cable as they cannot filter those channels out (last time I had them).

Have you priced Qwest DSL? I've got lifetime pricing at $34.99 for 6 MB / 768 KPBS. I choose Qwest over Cox because Qwest does not block ports. I also have a strong dislike for Cox because of how they appear to treat Tucson as a "step-child" to Phoenix.

gworkman

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by toastyfries
I only got through the first hour last night, but no issues so far. Keeping fingers crossed for when I go home tonight.
What are you using as your DVR? How'd the second hour go?

gworkman

Tucson AZ HDTV

If tlhis hasn't been brought previously, D* is coming out with 100 HD channels before year-end. Luckily, I am already setup for it, including the HR-20 STB and dish.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12760_7...ml?tag=nl.e722

sytyguy

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gworkman
Anyone have issues with Monday's broadcast of 24? I lost about 15 minutes of the show. 2 gaps of about 5-10 minutes during the program. Using OTA with HR10-250.
Monday night I had 2 signal drops but I don't think they were very long. Sunday night I lost the wide screen and it also looked like the HD was dropped near the end of the 2 hours.
I was recording OTA with a Dish 622.

sandrattt

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gworkman
Anyone have issues with Monday's broadcast of 24? I lost about 15 minutes of the show. 2 gaps of about 5-10 minutes during the program. Using OTA with HR10-250.
I noticed the same two drops in real time on Comcast. I had to quickly switch to the analog station and then checked back during commercial. I didn't have time to try OTA.

I don't recall having trouble Sun night, except for the usual audio drops here and there (especially before the show which scared me). There was also an increase in audio level during one segment, but not quite as loud as the commercials .

Carey P

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gworkman
You do get a discount "bundled" plan for internet and phone. You may also end up with "free" basic cable as they cannot filter those channels out (last time I had them).

Have you priced Qwest DSL? I've got lifetime pricing at $34.99 for 6 MB / 768 KPBS. I choose Qwest over Cox because Qwest does not block ports. I also have a strong dislike for Cox because of how they appear to treat Tucson as a "step-child" to Phoenix.
I never thought i would be mad because Qwest is not available where I live, but it has happened.. No Qwest in Rancho Vistoso area..

bigbw

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by DodgeViper
If I could find a better package with Dish or Direct I would. I need to have a system with 4 receivers with one of the receivers having HD with DVR, Internet, and phone. Does anyone have a clue what Cox charges just for internet and phone?
I have D* with 2 HR20 DVR's and one HR10 DVR (not using it at the moment), and two SD STB's, one of which is in Surprise, am using Vonage @ $24.95/month, and I receive expanded basic free, since I have internet services with Western Broadband.

sytyguy

Tucson AZ HDTV

We have Cox Expanded Basic and have been getting CBS's HD channel on 106.2 for the past several months. But recently that channel went dead it seems. Now I can get CBS HD on 106.1, but w/out any sound. Anyone have any ideas what is going on with this? Also, does anyone know if Cox will be getting NBC or Fox HD soon? Thanks.

tucsonhdtv

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gworkman
What are you using as your DVR? How'd the second hour go?
There were a couple screwups, though I don't know how much time I missed. It didn't feel like I missed a lot of time. Now I'm curious so I may download the episode just to compare.

I use MythTV as my DVR. Unfortunately it lists the time of the recording based on the scheduled time, so I'm not sure what I missed.

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

My recording showed a length of 1:43.

gworkman

Tucson AZ HDTV

This is a long thread to read through and I don't know if I have that much time . . . everyone always says to perform a search on forums like these but I figured it would be best to just ask my question:

I just purchased a set with a Terk TV55 antenna (I should have read through the pages before buying this antenna, I know) and I am able to receive all digital channels except KOLD and KVOA. The television is located in a slump block building very close to the airport (Campbell and Bilby). Should this be an issue or have I done something wrong with set-up? Should I just reconsider my antenna choice for this distance from the towers? Thanks for reading and for your suggestions.

-K

karamelo

Tucson AZ HDTV

Go here, http://antennaweb.org to see if that antenna measures up to the task. However, Terk antennas don't have the best of reputations.

Best of luck.

sytyguy

Tucson AZ HDTV

Has anyone else out there watched Northern Exposure on the Universal HD channel? I get it through Cox, and I find it odd that they are running the show in what looks like 4x3 SD yet they run the promos in glorious HD. Is it just Cox doing something? Have any of the rest of you that get Universal HD noticed this?

scottsfj40

Tucson AZ HDTV

It's 4:3 HD since that's how the show was originally shot.

coyoteaz

Tucson AZ HDTV

I live in the Northeast and am now getting NBC from Mesa (KPNX). Try digital channel 36, will show up as 12-1. They display the non-HD in a strechted mode that fills the screen better than Tucson channel 4-1.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

I've been lurking for some time now and have read the Tucson thread top to bottom.

Setup: Samsung DLP 56", DirectTV (oval w/3 LNB), Hughes DTV box with component output to the TV, and a Samsung HD931 (DVI connect to TV). I'm not using any surround sound as of yet.

1) I have seen several HD DTV boxes mentioned in this forum. I am really looking at the Sony HD300. It costs over $600 but from what I have read in other forums its one of the best. Comments?

2) I live in Rita Ranch and am wondering what antenna for OTA HD will be best for me. I am only interested in NBC (4.1), CBS (13.1), FOX (11.1), and ABC (9.1). All 4 of these appear to be at 359 degrees on the compass from my location @ 22.4 miles (Mt Lemmon?). Antennaweb shows NBC, CBS, FOX as requiring yellow (small multi-directional) but ABC requires red (medium-directional)? What is up with that? Anyway, any suggestions on make/model for an indoor preferably if signal strength is good enough or an outdoor if necessary. Would I need an amplifier?

Any input or recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks.

unc879wins

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by unc879wins
1) I have seen several HD DTV boxes mentioned in this forum. I am really looking at the Sony HD300. It costs over $600 but from what I have read in other forums its one of the best. Comments?

2) I live in Rita Ranch and am wondering what antenna for OTA HD will be best for me. I am only interested in NBC (4.1), CBS (13.1), FOX (11.1), and ABC (9.1). All 4 of these appear to be at 359 degrees on the compass from my location @ 22.4 miles (Mt Lemmon?). Antennaweb shows NBC, CBS, FOX as requiring yellow (small multi-directional) but ABC requires red (medium-directional)? What is up with that? Anyway, any suggestions on make/model for an indoor preferably if signal strength is good enough or an outdoor if necessary. Would I need an amplifier?

Any input or recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks.
I'm not familiar with the feature set on the box you currently have or the Sony, but if it's a receiver for OTA (Over-The-Air) signals only that you need, then I suggest you consider the LG LST-3100A. I've had one for a couple of weeks and have had a limited opportunity to compare it directly with a Dish 6000 STB that incorporates a much earlier generation ATSC tuner. It's ability to recover difficult (low level, error-ridden) signals places it head and shoulders above the 6000. It has Y, Pr, and Pb outputs, RGB outputs and a DVI output. It also has simultaneously available composite and S-video analog outputs. It also has a QAM tuner which can be used for non-scrambled digital CATV signals, although the real value of that feature is questionable. The street price is under $350. The one reservation I have about it is that it's black level on the component outputs seems unusually low. I'm using a second set of component inputs on my RPTV for the 3100 while everything else (6000 and DVD) is routed through an A/V receiver. I haven't had time to move the wiring around to see whether something else is accounting for the level difference (which is possible). For the moment, I have to run the RPTV brightness at least 10% higher for comparable gray scale between the two sets of inputs.

Regarding antenna recommendations, get a Silver Sensor indoor antenna (marketed by Zenith). It's available at Sears or Best Buy (I believe). It's also available from several online outlets, including buy.com, for $20 to $30.
The DTV stations you mentioned are all located on Mt. Bigelow in the Catalinas. Antennaweb may be using a different color code for KGUN (ABC) because that station is running somewhat less power than the others. That shouldn't pose a problem with a Silver Sensor from your location however.

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Andrikos
Hello John,
I live in Rancho Sahuarita and antennaweb recommends red (Medium Directional).
Above you recommended the Zenith silver sensor which is only UHF. However, KVOA, KOLD, KMSB, KUAT are VHF and all are on Mount Bigelow (at 15? my direction). Am I assuming correctly that the silver sensor (indoor) with receive the above channels?
Thanks,
Andreas
The NTSC stations are VHF and the "virtual" channels used to label the DTV channels reflect that. However the actual DTV signals transmitted are all, in fact, UHF. For example, KVOA is channel 4 NTSC (analog) and channel 23 ATSC (digital). The receivers will remap channel 23 to channel 4-1. KUAT, analog channel 6, has its digital counterpart, KUAT-DT, broadcasting on channel 30 which is remapped (and sub-divided) to 6-1 through 6-5. You need a UHF antenna for all Tucson DTV stations.

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

I neglected to answer the specific question of whether the Silver Sensor will work at a Rancho Sahuarita location. Unfortunately, all I know about that area is what I see in the TV ads and that's not terribly helpful. If you don't have too many wire-backed stucco walls to look through (including the walls of your neighbor's house) and don't have a major mountain in the way (antennaweb apparently doesn't think so), then yeah, the Silver Sensor should work just fine. I can receive KWBA, 50 miles away, with a Silver Sensor with no problem at all. On the other hand, since Mt. Lemmon is in the way, I have to really jump through hoops to receive the stations on Bigelow, only 20 miles away. A Silver Sensor indoors just won't cut it.

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

KOLD 13-1 OTA, is anyone else still having problems?? All week it was back to its semi-periodic small breaking up, though watchable. Now (Saturday) it is more constant. As I recall the same thing happened last weekend. Is anyone getting KOLD with an OTA antenna cleanly? If you reply can you tell me what kind of receiver you have, either way, works well or not. I have Dish 811.

I spoke to Chuck Amy (chief engineer at KOLD) a few weeks ago and they were looking at some embedded EPG issues but he said he does not see the problem at the station on his receiver which is a Zenith (model ??).

Chuck thought it might be some incompatability in some receivers with their encoding. Not likely because the quality changes, unless they are playing with it. If I get enough data back I will call him again and try to help.

babakanoosh

Tucson AZ HDTV

To add to my previous post, this afternoon at about 5:30 (Saturday) it went back to its "almost OK" mode, short blips every few minutes. Hmmm

babakanoosh

Tucson AZ HDTV

Just check CBS (13-1) UCONN-Depaul game and I am loosing audio about every 2 minutes. I have a Samsung T165 HDTV receiver. 13-1 almost never works for me, half the time the sound continually breaks up or I get the loss of sound every minute or so. As a note, both NBC (4-1) and ABC (9-1) work perfect. It must be an issue with CBS.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by smsprague
Just check CBS (13-1) UCONN-Depaul game and I am loosing audio about every 2 minutes. I have a Samsung T165 HDTV receiver. 13-1 almost never works for me, half the time the sound continually breaks up or I get the loss of sound every minute or so. As a note, both NBC (4-1) and ABC (9-1) work perfect. It must be an issue with CBS.
Is it only audio that is disturbed when this happens? Have you been able to watch the STB's signal indicator to tell whether there are simultaneous dips in signal?

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by babakanoosh
KOLD 13-1 OTA, is anyone else still having problems?? All week it was back to its semi-periodic small breaking up, though watchable. Now (Saturday) it is more constant. As I recall the same thing happened last weekend. Is anyone getting KOLD with an OTA antenna cleanly? If you reply can you tell me what kind of receiver you have, either way, works well or not. I have Dish 811.
As you know, KOLD is the one station that gives me fits. It is too unreliable to watch. I do see occasional audio dropouts (when everything else is hanging in there), but there is no regularity and they are infrequent. The received signal is marginal, however, and only a dB or two away from dropping off the digital cliff. The result is frequent tear-outs, break-ups and freezes. I'm doing good to get ten minutes or more without interruptions. That's with the LG LST-3100A (rebadged Zenith). The DISH 6000 can no longer achieve lock on KOLD--not even momentarily.

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

I receive CBS (13-1) at about 70% signal strength. The picture is almost always perfect. The audio consistently drops-outs. The signal strength never varies from 70% even during the audio drop-outs.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

I noticed that CBS is advertising the Ok St. - Memphis NCAA game as HD, but we are seeing it SD. Does anyone now what KOLD is doing?

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

There is a lot of discussion about this in another Forum (I don't remember which one). It is a national problem. CBS is "multifeeding" all these games. The HD is a separate feed from the regular digital. Somelocal stations are choosing to not to pick the HD feed so what you are seeing is not even the downconverter HD. It may also be an equipment issue. KOLD is not really making an effort to showcase their digital channel with so many technical problems and very low transmission power. I recommend everyone that has these issuers call the station and complain.

babakanoosh

Tucson AZ HDTV

Will be interested to see how KOLD (13-1) works for you. I think most of us have had very disappointing performance from KOLD. The sound is almost always dropping out or not working at all. Lucky we have KVOA (4-1), they are the only channel that shows HD. PBS just shows the same national loop over and over again. ABC only shows Monday Night Football. FOX and UPN only show SD.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

I spoke to Chuck Amy (chief engineer at KOLD). They are aware they still have problems. They are waiting to receive some test equipment they need to troubleshoot it, maybe a few weeks.

babakanoosh

Tucson AZ HDTV

Noticed that KOLD gave it a go with the NCAA games in HD last night. I got the picture perfect and the sound only dropped out about every 2 or 3 minutes. I found it really interesting that during the late games KOLD NTSC showed one game (Duke vs. Illinois) and HD KOLD showed a different game (Nevada vs. G.T.).

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by Andrikos
Yep, you're right:
KOLD is just garbage, I guess since everybody is having this problem
I shouldn't worry about it...
In what way is KOLD "just garbage"? What has been your experience with KOLD? Not everyone is having the same problem. (Many appear to have no problems at all.) If you are having problems, what is the make and model of your STB? [Never mind. I see from a previous message that it's a Samsung SIR-T351.]

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

John,

Does anybody get KOLD 13 without the audio drop-outs? I have called KOLD and they admit they have a problem and are working on it. I would be very surprised if it works for anyone. My view is at least they admit the problem and are working on it. At least KOLD tries, UPN, FOX and ABC (except for MNF) do not even bother trying HD.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

I would also be curious if anyone gets KOLD OTA without the sound blips. I also seem to be getting a similar problem on KMSB FOX 11-1. Does anyone get Fox OTA without sound problems?

babakanoosh

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by smsprague
John,

Does anybody get KOLD 13 without the audio drop-outs? I have called KOLD and they admit they have a problem and are working on it. I would be very surprised if it works for anyone. My view is at least they admit the problem and are working on it. At least KOLD tries, UPN, FOX and ABC (except for MNF) do not even bother trying HD.
I couldn't say. There have been some conflicting reports, and certainly the folks at KOLD seem to believe there are differing symptoms depending on the make and model of STB. My own experience (when I've been able to maintain a signal good enough to notice) is that audio-only droputs are few and far between. They do not seem to be as periodic (e.g., every 48 seconds) that has been commonly reported here. My problem with KOLD is that they are uniquely unreceivable. I couldn't get anything except a series of still images with CBS Sunday Morning today, for example--although that's unusually bad and may have something to do with the antenna being battered by the gusty wind we had here this morning. I'm not criticizing KOLD nor do I harbor any illusions about how seriously they view whatever their problems are. I'm merely curious to know what Andrikos really meant when he says "KOLD is just garbage". That sounds like more than the occasional audio glitch to me.

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

My drop-outs are not periodic either on KOLD. In general I get good signal strength. Every now and then, even with good strength the picture tiles. For example they are showing the Kansas vs. G.T. NCAA game and the pictured and sound continually break up (my signal strength is 70%).

I also have sound issues on KMSB FOX-11. I have called them and they know they have an issue, but they did not seem very interesting in fixing the issue. According to the tech, they do not have any plans in the near future to show anything in HD.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

I have a dish 811 for OTA digital & KOLD's problems change from day to day. I've had my antenna up for just over a month now and in the beginning KOLD had a regular 48 second drop of audio with a minor video gitch at the same time. This was the norm for 2-3 weeks, but every once in a while the station would become unwatchable, The picture & sound cutting out every second or so. The next day, back to the 48 second thing. Most recently the periodic glitch seems to be about 1min 20sec some days, but The HD basketball game they broadcast the other night was about 2 min. Today the channel is unwatchable again. My signal strength on the meter never drops below 87%, even when the picture & sound are dropping out. I would be curious if anyone really is having no problems. The audio drops out pretty regular on KMSB though some nights it seems perfect. Same with UPN. The only stations that seem to have consistent good performance are NBC, PBS & ABC.

Chris

cflannery

Tucson AZ HDTV

Chris,

I have a Samsung SIR-T165 and have pretty much the same issues as you do on all the channels. I am hoping KOLD gets their act together before the Masters. I am unable to get a signal on WB (44), does anyone have any luck with this station?

Mark

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

I'm also having problems with KOLD. The morning basketball game was unwatchable because the picture kept breaking up every couple of seconds. The afternoon game was OK picture wise, but the sound kept breaking up. I have the Dish 811. Also is any one else having picture problems with PBS HD? I can get a lock and the picture comes in good, but after about 10 seconds the picture starts to breakup and never stabilizes. I didn't have this problem when I first got the receiver about two months ago.

franco begbie

Tucson AZ HDTV

I have the problem you describe with PBS on channel 28 (27-1 & 27-2) sometimes, PBS on channel 30 (6-1 thru 6-5) always works.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by franco begbie
Also is any one else having picture problems with PBS HD? I can get a lock and the picture comes in good, but after about 10 seconds the picture starts to breakup and never stabilizes. I didn't have this problem when I first got the receiver about two months ago.
Which station are you talking about, KUAT-DT (6/30) on Mt. Bigelow, north of Tucson, or KUAS-DT (27/28) on Tumamoc Hill, west of Tucson? Depending on where you live, the direction your antenna is pointing will affect greatly the robustness of the signal you're receiving.

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

I decided to purchase another receiver, Samsung SIR-T151, came today. I figured this would be the ultimate test. I hooked it up so both my 811 and T151 were both connected to my TV (it has multiple inputs). I used a splitter for the antenna. So this was a perfect side by side test.

Tried the T151 first. KOLD----perfect, KMSB----perfect. I figured THATS IT, the problem is my lousy 811. Then I tried the 811, KOLD, KMSB perfect!.....ARRGGGHHH!

The only difference from before is it is cloudy today and I have the splitter. I took the splitter out and the 811 is still perfect.

I phoned KOLD and KMSB to see if they had made any changes. No.

So now it is 30 minutes later AND KMSB is breaking up on both receivers. KOLD is still good.

One definite difference between the two receivers, with the T151 I can get UPN and KUAT (6-1) with the 811 I can not at all.

So, I am going to change my hobby to bowling.

I will repeat these tests over the next few days and see if I can get any good information.

BTW, while playing with this my 811 hung up twice. So whats new.

babakanoosh

Tucson AZ HDTV

Noticed a couple of things last night while watching TV, both good.

KOLD 13-1 seems to have the sound issue fixed. Anyone else notice this?

KUAS 27-2 is now always on and I am getting better signal strength, does anyone now why KUAS changed? 27-2 used to go off at 8:00 PM. Noticed the same thing with 6-1 and 6-2.

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally posted by smsprague
Noticed a couple of things last night while watching TV, both good.

KOLD 13-1 seems to have the sound issue fixed. Anyone else notice this?

KUAS 27-2 is now always on and I am getting better signal strength, does anyone now why KUAS changed? 27-2 used to go off at 8:00 PM. Noticed the same thing with 6-1 and 6-2.
I remain somewhat skeptical about any ongoing issue that is specific to audio. I do think that there's probably a general encoding or transmission problem that continues unresolved. That said, it may be coincidental or an example of what a change in the weather will do, but I was able to watch the Georgia Tech/OK State game yesterday on KOLD-DT virtually glitch-free--with one notable exception. Lip-sync was off by a mile. In a basketball game, this doesn't matter a whole lot. The sound of the ball hitting the floor during a dribble isn't heard until the ball is back in the player's hands, but otherwise, big deal. It did add a comic element to the commercials, however. Whether it was the clouds or the newly fallen snow on Lemmon, I couldn't say, but the great reception vanished by this morning. I couldn't get a stable picture for more than 30 seconds at a time. It's worse than ever!

I can't comment on the programming changes by KUAT since I haven't looked at either of their transmitters in the last couple of days. If they have stopped switching configurations, it would be good news for a lot of folks with STB's like the DISH 6000 that would come unglued when switched to a program stream that was no longer there. Fortunately, the newer LG LST-3100A seems to takes such discrepancies between PSIP data and actual channel configuration in stride.

Old Fogey

Tucson AZ HDTV

Watched the Masters on CBS (13-1) this weekend and I am finally glad I spent the time and money to get OTA HD. I had no issue with the picture and the sound never dropped out. Hard to tell if the sound matched the lips because you did not see much of a person talking. Did anybody else find the broadcast glitch free?

smsprague

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottsfj40
I hope to reach agreements soon with the remaining stations owners in
the Tucson market as well. It is also my hope that we conclude these
business negotiations without further engaging you, our valued customer,
in the process.
Am I reading this wrong, because I think the customer should be engaged in the process and that's what Cox just doesn't get? We should be involved in getting to play a part in what our cable provider is doing and what they are carrying on their channels.

It seems to me like this is just a way of saying, "butt out."

Anyone else read that comment another way?

It sure seems very patronizing to me.

Rory_Gilmore

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory_Gilmore
Am I reading this wrong, because I think the customer should be engaged in the process and that's what Cox just doesn't get? We should be involved in getting to play a part in what our cable provider is doing and what they are carrying on their channels.

It seems to me like this is just a way of saying, "butt out."

Anyone else read that comment another way?

It sure seems very patronizing to me.
Of course she is saying butt out.... This is business and as much as I loathe my cable provider (umm, not Cox, the other one...) there is basically NOTHING in this equation that we have control over. I am guessing there are maybe 10 or 15 of us who read and post here regularly. Compared to the customer base we are noise.... On the other hand is there not someone out there who understands or has influence with the city or county cable regulatory committee? If these people are not asleep THEY are the ones that have the power to get the cable companies attention.

This is a mouthful: http://www.tucsonaz.gov/it/finalord2.html

Somewhere in there there might be a leverage point....

bbbobbb

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory_Gilmore

Anyone else read that comment another way?

It sure seems very patronizing to me.
I read it in a more positive note. I read it as hopefully the various parties can sort out the problems without having to get the viewers stuck in the middle.

I shouldn't be any part of the negotiations. We should just have the best selection of channels possible. Ideally we would have never needed to email Cox or The WB. I would think that Anne is saying that hopefully in the future we won't need to. I believe her email was a professional response, not a buddy buddy response, and shouldn't be read into too much. We know our voice is being heard, now we just have to wait to see how clearly we're heard.

We'll see.

Edit:
That's a pessimistic "We'll See". I just don't have much faith in Cox and local HD. Hopefully one day it will be all good, but I'm afraid that isn't in the near term.

toastyfries

Tucson AZ HDTV

Quote:
Originally Posted by toastyfries
I read it in a more positive note. I read it as hopefully the various parties can sort out the problems without having to get the viewers stuck in the middle.

I shouldn't be any part of the negotiations. We should just have the best selection of channels possible. Ideally we would have never needed to email Cox or The WB. I would think that Anne is saying that hopefully in the future we won't need to. I believe her email was a professional response, not a buddy buddy response, and shouldn't be read into too much. We know our voice is being heard, now we just have to wait to see how clearly we're heard.

We'll see.

Edit:
That's a pessimistic "We'll See". I just don't have much faith in Cox and local HD. Hopefully one day it will be all good, but I'm afraid that isn't in the near term.
I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong on about every point.

bbbobbb, pretty much has it right.

How many e-mails provoked this pathetic, form letter? 10-15 is probably about right. As was pointed out, we're in the minority and clearly this response from Anne makes it known that we are merely a small nuisance and not to be taken too seriously.

I can't see how you can say you don't have much faith in Cox and also give the benefit of the doubt to a form letter response to your concerns that basically avoids answering any of your questions and tells you to let Cox make the decisions about that Cox does and the viewers should stay out of it.

I don't think voicing our concerns is somehow injecting ourselves, personally, in the negotiations. Cox is in the service industry and I pay for that service. When the service let's me down, it's well within my right to expect Cox to care about me...even if I'm the only one with a particular concern.

The idea that not only did Anne ignore and minimize our concerns about the HD problem, in particular the one with the WB, but she also felt emboldened enough to say butt out, and then topped it off by asking us to write back any time we needed something is extremely insulting.

I'm not sure how you can say that ideally we shouldn't be e-mailing her. Ideally, we'd all have Bill Gates money, buy our own cable companies, fire people like Anne, and make sure everybody we do business with gets respectful and honest customer service. But that's not gonna happen.

If nobody cares, then nobody cares. That's what they're counting on anyway and that's why they can get away with sending out form letters like that that insult everyone who took their time to write Cox.

It would be easy to roll over, concern myself only with my own job and my own life, but I'm not going to make it that easy. Eventually, and I think sooner rather than later, someone is going to get this issue to a larger segment of this city and get a lot more attention on what Cox and the affiliates are doing. The only thing Cox likes less than having to answer the questions of customers they have no concern for in the first place is bad publicity.

What goes around, comes around. Are you listening, Anne?

Rory_Gilmore

Tucson AZ HDTV

I have to agree with Rory on this one. I found nothing positive at all about the email I recieved from Anne.

Rory is also correct when he says that we are nothing but a blip on their screen. While it will change over the next couple years, those of us that own HD televisions are a tiny minority of those that subscribe to Cox.

I think that the next step would be for those 10 to 12 people who wrote to Cox about this, write a letter to the editor of both the Star and the Citizen. I will be sitting down over the next couple days and writing mine.

scottsfj40

Tucson AZ HDTV

Cox is only part of the problem IMHO. What about the no NBC or ABC high def on Comcast (and maybe Cox too). This is the silliest situation one could possibly imagine. The broadcasters have antennas in locations that render their signals unusable to maybe 30% of the metro population but they refuse to allow wider distribution to their potential audience via the cable providers unless they pay - REALLY STUPID. What do I do - I have Comcast AND D* - I watch CBS and FOX in HD via Comcast and Tivo NBC and ABC via D*. Result, both NBC and ABC commercials do NOT get my eyeballs. What are the idiots at the local broadcasters thinking here?

Jim Sanchez

Tucson AZ HDTV

Since the stations and cable companies won't negotiate until a deal is done, and they won't take calls from the end users, the next step is to contact the City and see what leverage they have.

I doubt letters to the editor will get published. Cox pays the newspapers tons in advertising.

Another idea is to start sending letters to DirecTV. Maybe they'll see Tucson as a market starved for local HD and put us up before Phoenix.

I'm sure the e-mail sent back to us was not "authored" by Anne. Most likely, an assistant has cut/paste options for every complaint. I included my intended switch to Dish/Qwest DSL and they "hoped" I would remain a Cox customer. Other than that, my received response was verbatim to the one posted here.

gworkman

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