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Updated: 2008-06-15 02:16:43 (4509)
Hitachi 57F59A

i just had a couple of quick questions for you guys. I recently purchased the hitachi 57 inch projection tv. got it for a great price. Anyways i was reading another thread on here about getting better picture qaulity by adjusting the settings from the factory settings. i was just curious if anybody else has this tv and what percentages you are using for contrast, and the other picture quality settings. thanks for any help.

Answers: Hitachi 57F59A ( AVS Forum Rear Projection Units )
Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul33993
1.) I'm usually around 7-8 feet. These sets are prone to SSE effect. And with SSE, the closer you sit, the more likely you are to notice. That set, if you crank down the contrast ratio, you should be fine at 7 feet.

2.) I use 1152*648... which uses Virtual HD (the set's scaler). Ideally you'd use 960*540 (which doesn't employ Virtual HD.) I've had massive issues with trying to run it... though the few times I did get it going was fantastic. I just didn't deem it worth banging my head on when 1152*648 is decent and works 100 percent of the time and requires no effort to get going. But if you buy the set and solve how to run 540P, please post the directions. My head banging efforts are posted somewhere in this thread.
I take it that you set the input VHD to 540P first, without turning on the connected device?

Lee Bailey

Hitachi 57F59A

Howdy, I recently purchased a 51F59. This is my first HD set and I am extremely impessed with the picture. However, I may be moving in the future and I was wondering if it is possible to somehow take the 51F59 apart? I live on the 3rd floor of an apartment building with no elevator and I do not want to damage the 150+ lb beast on the way down.

b501

Hitachi 57F59A

Unfortunately, the 51F59 does not come apart. The 57 and 65 inch models do.

Lee Bailey

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Bailey
I take it that you set the input VHD to 540P first, without turning on the connected device?
No. If you input true 540P (960*540), it doesn't use Virtual HD. It's running native resolution and Virtual HD is blocked out. It makes sense, since it's just halving 1080i and running in progressive. That's why I wish I could get it to work with Powerstrip without going through a convoluted process that hard crashes the computer whenever the resolution is changed.

And I was running that using the ATI component dongle. I'm now using a DVI-HDMI cable... which I'm not sure even works at all at that resolution. I only spent a little time (Hoping it would magically work), but if memory is correct, I think it was actually more futile.

EDIT: The reason I switched to HDMI (Though I'm now glad i did), was because my component dongle was failing for a second time. Those parts just are poorly engineered. They screw into the DVI port, but because you're connecting thick component cables into the holes, there's a lot of down pressure created on the component dongle. I maybe got 1.5 years use out of my original dongle (Before one of the colors completely shorted out) and the second one was more of a total failure. Don't think ATI even manufactures that part any more, but if they do, people should steer clear of it.

Paul33993

Hitachi 57F59A

Can someone explain to me what you mean by "geometry issues"?

I just purchased the 51f59a from CC, but haven't picked it up yet, and I am beginning to think I might be better of buying a fixed panel display. I know blasphemy, but I am afraid to tweak the geometry myself in fear to screwing it up. So do these sets have geometry issues? Did it bother someone to the point where they had to call in a service tech or get the set calibrated by a professional?

I told CC I will pick it up from them tonight, but I can always delay it. I just want to be sure I made the right purchase because this is supposed to last me a few years.

Reading the tweaks thread I see that the HDMI problem is still there, but lessened to an image shift. Is there any hope that Hitachi will ever permanently fix this problem, or will they just let it linger on until they discontinue their CRT line.

Any word about new CRT models coming out this year from Hitachi or will these be their last.

sdheda

Hitachi 57F59A

Hi all:

I am very disappointed, that the only 1080i set I have found to display fast moving objects clearly at 60 fields per second is unable to display 1920 vertical lines of resolution at once.

Does anyone know the actual resolution the F59 sets are capable of displaying? In my displaymate tests over HDMI I seem to be getting somewhere between 2/3rds and 1/2 res 1280 - 960

Does anyone know the actual resolving capability of the display of the set?


very disappointed

HV10Sports

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul33993
No. If you input true 540P (960*540), it doesn't use Virtual HD. It's running native resolution and Virtual HD is blocked out.
I take it you have pressed info, and it says 540P in the VHD window (though grayed out)? Hitachi has not published whether the component inputs will accept 540p, though I know they accept 480i/p, and 1080i.

Lee Bailey

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by sdheda
Can someone explain to me what you mean by "geometry issues"?

I just purchased the 51f59a from CC, but haven't picked it up yet, and I am beginning to think I might be better of buying a fixed panel display. I know blasphemy, but I am afraid to tweak the geometry myself in fear to screwing it up. So do these sets have geometry issues? Did it bother someone to the point where they had to call in a service tech or get the set calibrated by a professional?

I told CC I will pick it up from them tonight, but I can always delay it. I just want to be sure I made the right purchase because this is supposed to last me a few years.

Reading the tweaks thread I see that the HDMI problem is still there, but lessened to an image shift. Is there any hope that Hitachi will ever permanently fix this problem, or will they just let it linger on until they discontinue their CRT line.

Any word about new CRT models coming out this year from Hitachi or will these be their last.
OOB, the geometry should be just fine. I know mine was. This should only be a concern if you either alter the overscan rate (which will require some geometry adjuments to get it right again) or you go into DCAM mode (service level convergence) and mess with the green grid. This is why the "user" convergence options (9/117pt manual Magic Focus) only allow adjustments of the red and blue. Green acts as your convergence/geometry "skeleton" of sorts. Misaligning green, then lining red/blue up to that will cause geometry issues ("warps" or "speedbumps").

In terms of the HDMI problems, the biggest issues were the ones the recent HDMI fix addressed (green/pink screens, mystery power off, etc). The image shift (which seems to happen to some more than others, apparently depending on what gear is used via HDMI) is not, from what I've read elsewhere, exclusive to Hitachi or the F59 series sets. May still be "fixable" on Hitachi's end, but hard to say if/when. I suggest to all owners to continue hammering away @ Hitachi via email to get them on this. Worked for the first HDMI fix. If the shift issue can be attended to in the same manner, Hitachi would need to get on the case. But it may also just be part of the weirdness that can be HDMI. Saw pics on another thread here recently of a Sony LCD HDTV that was exhibiting the exact same HDMI "frerakouts" that the pre-fix F59s had.

I use a Sony NS75H DVD player via HDMI to my 51F59A and have had momentary image shift (lasts maybe a second) happen a very small handful of times. Have watched many DVDs without it happening at all. Don't know the official reason behind this, but would guess that it (like basically every other HDMI "freakout" on many makes/models of TV) has to do with digital "handshake" issues that are most likely tied to digital copy protection programs implemented on basically any digital/HD video source in the good old US of A these days. Then again, my Sony player worked just as it does now BEFORE I applied the F59 HDMI software fix, so all of this may just be related to WHAT is used with your TV via HDMI.

As far as future CRT from Hitachi, I'd bet not. Sadly, CRT is considered a dead technology, despite it's often superior visual quality. No CRT sets were found @ this year's CES, according to those who were there. But someone also posted recently that they had contacted Hitachi and could not get a definitive answer as to whether the F59s were being discontinued or not. Guessing Hitachi's official 2007 line will be known soon (if not already) on it's website. Will just have to see if the F59s are on their 2007 list of current models available.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

I'm searching the 2 big Hitachi f59 threads, but getting overwhelmed, again. I know some about the HDMI problems. My question is this : is the "freakout" only colors and picture inversions? Or is pixelating/freezing for 1/2 second every 4 or 5 minutes during DVR playback part of the "freakout" also? I am using a Motorola 6412 DVR box and want to know whether to read up in the TV forum or the DVR forum for my problem as I don't even know whether it's HDMI related or not. I would try the component connections but my 10 year old 5.1 reciever has no digital audio input...so no sound would kinda suck even WITH a good picture.

tonyfan70

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bob
When Harmony was first offering its stuff, I learned about it at CES, about 3 years ago. Then you could get a discount for buying your stock at the show, and the dealer cost prices were $100 to 120, with the retail of course needing to be at least double that. I am not sure what Prontos were going for then, but I know that some of the macro remotes were well over $1000, so I figured I was getting a good deal. I bought 5 of them, so I could be a dealer and be listed on Harmony's website. I would be somebody special, who had something very new, different and incredibly innovative. Having them do all the macro work for you simply had not been done yet. You had to slog thru your own learning curve, or allow your installers to do it, for which I am sure there was a generous spiff in it for them. Downloading it from the net, all set to go, was still incredibly new.

Now you can pick them up for $89.99 at Target. Sheesh!



Mr Bob
Ahh...capitalism!

Wonder if Target strongarmed Logitech for that price point, Wal-Mart style.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyfan70
I'm searching the 2 big Hitachi f59 threads, but getting overwhelmed, again. I know some about the HDMI problems. My question is this : is the "freakout" only colors and picture inversions? Or is pixelating/freezing for 1/2 second every 4 or 5 minutes during DVR playback part of the "freakout" also? I am using a Motorola 6412 DVR box and want to know whether to read up in the TV forum or the DVR forum for my problem as I don't even know whether it's HDMI related or not. I would try the component connections but my 10 year old 5.1 reciever has no digital audio input...so no sound would kinda suck even WITH a good picture.
That is most likely on your cable company's (Comcast, yes?) or the broadcast source's end. I get occasional pixelations, etc from some HD stations-both on recorded stuff as well as live. Similar to signal level dips from OTA digital signals. Most common for me w/ local network HD/digital signals. But not every time.

Or, if it's happening a lot (sounds like it is for you), could be a bad hard drive on your DVR? Maybe having your cable company swap you for a new one would be worth a try to see if this clears up. Shouldn't cost you anything to get one swapped, esp. if you actually take your box to the local office.

Now...does your Moto DVR "lock up" from time to time in terms of remote control commands? That is apparently a remote sensor buffer bug common in all Moto HD-DVRs. Don't know if "newer" units have this. Mine is technically an older box that I've had for about 2.5 years--has a DVI out instead of HDMI. Newer units have the same model #'s, but have HDMI instead.

Still run mine via component. My Hitachi's lone HDMI input is occupied by the DVD player. And no freakouts for me....so far!

Have also heard from Comcast that they are in the works to offer HD and SD Tivo units sometime in '07. Of course, the monthly DVR fee will be a few bucks more for the Tivo.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bob
Does the One4All do macros? Like the Harmony is so adept at?

Mr Bob

http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1/

JP1 is a little tougher to get used to, but you can do absolutely ANYTHING you want your remote to do. Macros are no problem. Device keys can be set to direct your TV to the correct input, and turn on the device.

I even have some keys that do different functions, depending on how long you hold the key down!

They also have their own message board, http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/
and it works with tons of One4All remotes.

Mike

aclinml

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwebb1970
That is most likely on your cable company's (Comcast, yes?) or the broadcast source's end. I get occasional pixelations, etc from some HD stations-both on recorded stuff as well as live. Similar to signal level dips from OTA digital signals. Most common for me w/ local network HD/digital signals. But not every time.

Or, if it's happening a lot (sounds like it is for you), could be a bad hard drive on your DVR? Maybe having your cable company swap you for a new one would be worth a try to see if this clears up. Shouldn't cost you anything to get one swapped, esp. if you actually take your box to the local office.

Now...does your Moto DVR "lock up" from time to time in terms of remote control commands? That is apparently a remote sensor buffer bug common in all Moto HD-DVRs. Don't know if "newer" units have this. Mine is technically an older box that I've had for about 2.5 years--has a DVI out instead of HDMI. Newer units have the same model #'s, but have HDMI instead.

Still run mine via component. My Hitachi's lone HDMI input is occupied by the DVD player. And no freakouts for me....so far!

Have also heard from Comcast that they are in the works to offer HD and SD Tivo units sometime in '07. Of course, the monthly DVR fee will be a few bucks more for the Tivo.
Comcast on the East coast here, probably not for much longer if they don't get themselves together. Haven't had any problem with my dvr (SA8300), however, I can't watch an entire movie on ondemand without it buffering like mad and appearing to "freeze". Once I realized it was buffering, pausing it and walking away for a few minutes fixes it.. Nice that they raised rates almost $35 on me this year AND moved nfl hd to the digital premier tier, so I'll be switching to E* or D* before fall in order to not have to shell out another $20 on top of the $35 rate increase. That rant is for a different forum though. Just wanted to chime in that I've seen the freakouts on OnDemand programming, not my dvr

narcolept

Hitachi 57F59A

Hi. My provider for the cable box is Insight, don't know if it matters. One other thing tough, I do remember the installer saying that they normally DON'T (?) run the cable in/out of a surge protector like I wanted. I had him do it that way, I'll try to run the cable straight to the tv and let you guys know if it helps.

tonyfan70

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyfan70
I'm searching the 2 big Hitachi f59 threads, but getting overwhelmed, again. I know some about the HDMI problems. My question is this : is the "freakout" only colors and picture inversions? Or is pixelating/freezing for 1/2 second every 4 or 5 minutes during DVR playback part of the "freakout" also? I am using a Motorola 6412 DVR box and want to know whether to read up in the TV forum or the DVR forum for my problem as I don't even know whether it's HDMI related or not. I would try the component connections but my 10 year old 5.1 reciever has no digital audio input...so no sound would kinda suck even WITH a good picture.

For me the stuff you mention was all signal related. I have the Moto 6416 (I think) and the 65F59, but I also use component and not HDMI.

The first cable TV tech said good HD signal!. The second said this signal stinks where upon we then crawled through the attic removing cascaded splitters and even found the real culprit - a 20 year old 500MHz splitter. Believe it or not I still was getting some HDTV channels but did have the freeze-frame problem on some.

Ended up home running the HDTV cable back to the source and used one splitter there.


Pete

ptoemmes

Hitachi 57F59A

I'm thinking about trying the service menu convergence. THe problem is I don 't have a lot of patience for that sort of thing, if I were to go in and start at the center and do as much as I have patience for, could I come back and finish later or does it all have to be done in one shot?

I wonder if a signal booster on my cable line would help. Right now, from the wall, it splits to go into the bedroom and then splits again to go to my TV and computer. Or maybe I could run it from the wall directly to the cable box, then split it to bedroom and computer. Wonder if that would help at all.

At some point I'll probably have a pro come in. Went to one site in NYC and found this -

Work we do NOT perform

CRT Rear/Front projector focus and convergence



How can they charge $275 and not do convergence?

mabrym

Hitachi 57F59A

I have the 57f and the tech is at my house now. He says it is definitely the HDMI. he says .that the previous cable boxes that only had DVI were even worse. He says that as soon as firmware is available to correct those problems they will be available to us. So I am going to be using the component cables and see if this is true. the reason everyone is not having the problem is because it is a compatability issue with the TV and specific cable boxes. Hope this helped most who are seemingly having these issues

KingSolomon69

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by mabrym
I'm thinking about trying the service menu convergence. THe problem is I don 't have a lot of patience for that sort of thing, if I were to go in and start at the center and do as much as I have patience for, could I come back and finish later or does it all have to be done in one shot?

I wonder if a signal booster on my cable line would help. Right now, from the wall, it splits to go into the bedroom and then splits again to go to my TV and computer. Or maybe I could run it from the wall directly to the cable box, then split it to bedroom and computer. Wonder if that would help at all.

At some point I'll probably have a pro come in. Went to one site in NYC and found this -

Work we do NOT perform

CRT Rear/Front projector focus and convergence

How can they charge $275 and not do convergence?
Try this site:

http://www.isftv.com/index.html

Just called Kevin & made an appointment to have him come Calibrate my Hitachi 57F510. He works the NYC Area. His price seemed very reasonable.

Here's what you get for a BASIC Calibration:

Quote:
Rear Projection TVs: Electronic focus of the CRTs (Red, Green and Blue), convergence of all aspect ratios, gray scale calibration to 6500 degrees Kelvin, precise adjustment of all picture parameters (Contrast, Brightness, Color, etc.) using test patterns from the Video Essentials and AVIA test DVDs and correction of overscan and picture position when and if necessary.

BFJ 96

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by KingSolomon69
I have the 57f and the tech is at my house now. He says it is definitely the HDMI. he says .that the previous cable boxes that only had DVI were even worse. He says that as soon as firmware is available to correct those problems they will be available to us. So I am going to be using the component cables and see if this is true. the reason everyone is not having the problem is because it is a compatability issue with the TV and specific cable boxes. Hope this helped most who are seemingly having these issues
Very true. In the past, others have stated issues with DirecTv/DishNetwork boxes run via HDMI as well.

If you haven't already, it might be a good idea to report your HDMI problems to Hiatchi as well. Requires doing the warranty registration w/ Hitachi (online @ their site or with the warranty card). Once registered, contact Hitachi to report the HDMI problems. They will set up a service account for you and your TV. They'll ask you what HDMI gear you are having the problem(s) with.

A recent post here reported this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by roadrash1
I had just got off the phone with a tv repair man and he told me that Hitachi has a notice out with the problems mentioned in this forum and that they are working on a fix. So hopefully we will have a fix soon.
So, a possible Hitachi firmware fix for these problems may still be coming.

Lee Bailey had posted recently that the website SimplayHD (that keeps track of HDMI devices that ARE compatable with the currently loose HDMI industry standards) list the F59's as "SimplayHD Certified". Apparently they don't have ANY DVD players or cable/satellite boxes on their list--because apparently there are not any that meet their current standards for certification.

As I've felt all along, the HDMI problems are not necessarily the fault of the F59s. Hitachis aren't the only HDTVs that have had HDMI-related "freakouts". It's seems it's simply the fact that their are not any real industry standards in place right now for the ever-evolving HDMI (and HDCP--mandatory digital copy protection is a likely culprit here) format.

Some have said here and elsewhere that the Sony DVP-NS75H upconverting DVD player suffers from such problems w/ the F59s. I've used this particular Sony unit via HDMI into my F59 almost daily since Jan 1st. There hae been a few instances where I played 2-3 movies in a row just to see if they WILL cause a problem. I've yet to have the "green/pink screen of death" or any other wacky video issues others have had. Nothing but smooth sailing, PQ-wise. Only bug has been a very rare occurance of a slight horizontal shift that corrects itself in about a second or 2. Can't say this is an HDMI-relateed "freakout" since I've read on the DVD Players thread here that the 75H's predecessor had the same issue occuring much more often than w/ the current model.

Seems like whether or not a piece of HDMI gear is gonna play nice with your F59 is a bit of a crapshoot at this time. If various manufacturers are/have the ability to upgrade their equipment to work with all HDMI TVs, it may just be a case of having patience until this happens. Either way, report your problems to Hitachi (so that a possible future upgrade card can be sent to you) and the manufacturer/supplier of the problematic equipment.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by sd_smoker
I have the Harmony 550 and I love it! The Harmony database has the discrete input codes for inputs 1-5 (there isn't one for Air) which allows you to go directly to the input without bringing up the menu.

I got it to work.

-- Go into More Input
-- Adjust Inputs
-- Select "I go directly to the input I want (usually for AV Receiver, Amplifier, etc.)"
-- Click next until you get to "What command do you use to get your device to go to this input AntennaA"
-- On the drop down menu under "I don't have the original remote". Select InputAntenna A.

Antenna A is what you will use for your remote to switch directly to AIR on the Hitachi xxF59 series.

sprint67

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by vstream
I use a sheepskin furniture duster (once in 2 months).

Agreed on the PQ--it really is outstanding, and for the $ I feel like I stole it!

What if you smoke? Once a week with a wrung out cloth?

mabrym

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by sprint67
I got it to work.

-- Go into More Input
-- Adjust Inputs
-- Select "I go directly to the input I want (usually for AV Receiver, Amplifier, etc.)"
-- Click next until you get to "What command do you use to get your device to go to this input AntennaB"
-- On the drop down menu under "I don't have the original remote". Select InputAntenna B.

Antenna B is what you will use for your remote to switch directly to AIR on the Hitachi xxF59 series.
I might just have to get the Harmony. I've had the Mx-500 for several years now and it's been great but the light is out once again and the battery cover is missing. On the Harmony do you have the option in the screen to add additional buttons and label them? Also is there a good place, hard button, for the A, B, C and exit buttons on my cable remote. I can't tell from the pictures I've found. I haven't seen a good place for those buttons on any remote without overriding other buttons you need.

mabrym

Hitachi 57F59A

I went from an MX-500 to a Logitech Harmony 550 last month, and I wish I had done it a long time ago.

I hesitated only because the MX500 was supposed to be so great...and it was I guess...but it's got nothing on the Logitech imo, not to mention the programmability online (which I personally prefer).

I got the 550 primarily because it was on sale for about$75 shipped (from Dell - I think they just started another sale on them this week) AND more importantly because it has the crucial A B C buttons you specifically mentioned - a lot of the higher end ones that are double the price don't have those for some reason.

The only complaint I have about the Logitech 550 is that the backlight is awfully dim, and the contrast is horrible. The higher end one is color and is probably easier to read, but then again you lose the ABC buttons.

Everything is a compromise I guess.

Here it is for $76 shipped from Dell with code: 0VK$3DGBCSM$DM (only until tomorrow though I think)

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=A0660861

rodeoclown

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by sprint67
Antenna B is what you will use for your remote to switch directly to AIR on the Hitachi xxF59 series.
Huh, they must have fixed it recently. I tried AntA and AntB with no luck. Doesn't really matter anymore since I got the Dish 622 DVR which also acts as an OTA tuner. Thanks for the info though!

sd_smoker

Hitachi 57F59A

Is it just me, or does digital cable suck through coax with this TV? I hooked up S-Video today, it looks a little better!

m1ndless

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by m1ndless
Is it just me, or does digital cable suck through coax with this TV? I hooked up S-Video today, it looks a little better!
This TV looks best when using component or HDMI connections. As for digital cable, you can't receive any of the digital channels with the raw cable connection, only analog.

Lee Bailey

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptoemmes
For me the stuff you mention was all signal related. I have the Moto 6416 (I think) and the 65F59, but I also use component and not HDMI.

The first cable TV tech said good HD signal!. The second said this signal stinks where upon we then crawled through the attic removing cascaded splitters and even found the real culprit - a 20 year old 500MHz splitter. Believe it or not I still was getting some HDTV channels but did have the freeze-frame problem on some.

Ended up home running the HDTV cable back to the source and used one splitter there.


Pete
That is excellent information. I was thinking about your input and someone on the HDTV cable provider thread had mentioned dirty connections at the HDMI, so I'm moving my TV and when I just barely move the cable out of the way and picture and sound go off. Wiggle-on, wiggle-off. Kinda like Karate Kid. It's the cable end where I'm feeding the input for my surge protector, it's loose or something. I'll let you all know what I find out.

P.S. I just watched 15 minutes of another show recorded in HD and had no problems. Being intermittent would also point to the bad connection, right?

tonyfan70

Hitachi 57F59A

Picture looked grainy last night and this morning. I hit the info button today and the TV is at 540p. The cable box is outputting 1080i. Virtual HD is greyed out, although I don't think you can use that on an HD channel. Cable box is set to output 1080i only and it's connected directly to the TV, not through a receiver or anything. The only thing I can think of is a bad cable or a loose connection, didn't have time to check this morning.

I know when I first got the set the TV was 1080i, wonder how long this has been happening and more importantly how to fix it. Friday Night Lights looked very grainy last night. I realize it's not shot to look like CSI Miami but I don't think it was meant to be that grainy. On the other hand American Idol looked fantastic, I find it hard to believe it was at 540p.

rodeoclown, I'm almost sold on the Harmony. I know when you press Watch TV it sets all the inputs and sets the remote to control the cable box. But what if I then want to go to my stereo and change output levels of surrounds or other adjustments. I don't see a place for device keys. Surely I don't have to press Listen to Music? Would the Sound button take care of that? And if I press Video that takes me to the TV setup menu? As far as the backlight, it is legible in the dark, right? I have very good eyesight.

mabrym

Hitachi 57F59A

I have heard from Hitachi that there is an adjustment that can be made by their service technicians to put the HDMI issue to bed once and for all. They say the information is available on their service website which the technicians have access to. This is covered under the warranty, and thus no charge to have it done.

KingSolomon69

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by mabrym
rodeoclown, I'm almost sold on the Harmony. I know when you press Watch TV it sets all the inputs and sets the remote to control the cable box. But what if I then want to go to my stereo and change output levels of surrounds or other adjustments. I don't see a place for device keys. Surely I don't have to press Listen to Music? Would the Sound button take care of that? And if I press Video that takes me to the TV setup menu? As far as the backlight, it is legible in the dark, right? I have very good eyesight.
Which model are you looking at? My Harmony 659 has a hard key named Devices, which then places a list of your devices on the screen with soft buttons so you can access them directly. There is also a hard button named Sound and Video that can be customized per activity, so you can place receiver controls or your TV menu controls under these keys.

I have two Activities created for nearly each TV option, because my family is OK to watch TV and movies using just the TV speakers throughout the day. When I get home, I activate a secondary activity from the soft menu called Watch TV (AVR) that turns on the receiver and main speakers, and has the remote controlling volume through the AVR.

LS1 Sounds

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1 Sounds
Which model are you looking at? My Harmony 659 has a hard key named Devices, which then places a list of your devices on the screen with soft buttons so you can access them directly. There is also a hard button named Sound and Video that can be customized per activity, so you can place receiver controls or your TV menu controls under these keys.

I have two Activities created for nearly each TV option, because my family is OK to watch TV and movies using just the TV speakers throughout the day. When I get home, I activate a secondary activity from the soft menu called Watch TV (AVR) that turns on the receiver and main speakers, and has the remote controlling volume through the AVR.
I'm looking at the 550.

mabrym

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Anyone yet had this "adjustment that can be made by their service technicians to put the HDMI issue to bed once and for all." I was contacted by Hitachi about my freak-out issue, they want more info from me, however, they alluded to a fix and wanted to schedule a tech when they left the message.

darkstarchuck

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Can this be done too often?? say I did it once a day or once every two days?

After cutting a piece of poly carbanate and carefully attatching it to the front of my TV to protect it from the kids LOL... They run and jump and every thing in front of the TV and I have to say every time i push that magic focus the TV becomes perfect again. The 100 to 200 break in time is not there yet.. about half way i imagine by now..

Anyway, Is once a day to often?

Thanks

K.

P.s.
How did i EVER live with a 31' STD TV so long... I feel so... so...dirty..

kane100574

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kane100574
Can this be done too often?? say I did it once a day or once every two days?

After cutting a piece of poly carbanate and carefully attatching it to the front of my TV to protect it from the kids LOL... They run and jump and every thing in front of the TV and I have to say every time i push that magic focus the TV becomes perfect again. The 100 to 200 break in time is not there yet.. about half way i imagine by now..

Anyway, Is once a day to often?

Thanks

K.

P.s.
How did i EVER live with a 31' STD TV so long... I feel so... so...dirty..
Hey, I had a 30 inch HDTV. It looks so tiny. It's still sitting off to the side, waiting for my stepson to come pick it up. But he and his wife will love it.

mabrym

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Originally Posted by jwebb1970
Sounds just like mine. Although you can see the "smudge" most times if you REALLY look for it, it is very obvious on an all-white image (Discovery Channel stuff shot in the Arctic, for example, is a major offender).

If you remove the screen, look into each of the lenses and see if there are flecks/debris/etc. in them. If it's above the coolant cup lens, they can be easily removed by doing a deep optics cleaning. Mine are in the coolant itself, so parts replacement is the only way to fix it.

If your issue is the same as mine, Hitachi will fix this. You (and you local Hitachi tech) may have to jump thru a minor hoop or 2 first, but they WILL make it right under warrranty. Nothing you have done has led to "coolant cooties" that cause the "smudges". It's a manufacturing defect (that I am not the only owner experiencing, it seems).

Were the factory QC guys asleep on the job when inspecting these CRTs? Although, according to Hitachi, coolant imperfections are apparently not uncommon, picture issues caused by them supposedly are.

Ok Guys, here is what I just noticed regarding my "smudge" issue, just curious if its the same for all of us. When I first turn on my set, the smudge is very noticeable, even on colored backgrounds, and about the size of a tennis ball. However, after the set warms up, for about 2 hours, it almost goes away, I mean its maybe a half an inch above the bezel and only seen on an all white background. Very, very strange. I guess I should leave the set off the morning before the technician comes!

So, this being said I have two questions, and maybe Mr. Bob would know. First, being that it moves almost completely from view after warm up, and assuming that this is debris in the coolant.........does the coolant move as it heats up? Maybe spread out a little bit? Or, could this be something else causing this? I wouldn't think that a cobweb would act this way either......

Second question, and I think that it was asked before, but I don't remember an answer: Let say that it turns out that my problem is fixed by replacing a CRT gun...I would assume another 100 hour break-in period, but how should this be addressed? Would this new gun, along with the 2 aged guns cause image problems in the future such as color tinting? Would it be best to break-in the new gun using only the color of the new gun...........an all blue background for a few hours a day for example?

Thanks for the insight guys......

lifesun

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I'm not exactly sure what "washing out" means in reference to PQ, but it sounds like whats happening to my set. I have to watch movies with the color saturation at like 26%. Any higher and the color blurs all over the place, and the red is bright and blurry as hell when up to say 40-50%. is there a service menu tweak than can possibly fix this. I went to the page to upload the tweaks file but I can't figure out how to do it...
I can get into the service menu fine, I just don't know how/where to fix this problem. Any help appreciated, Fatboy

Fatboy Gixxer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lifesun
Ok Guys, here is what I just noticed regarding my "smudge" issue, just curious if its the same for all of us. When I first turn on my set, the smudge is very noticeable, even on colored backgrounds, and about the size of a tennis ball. However, after the set warms up, for about 2 hours, it almost goes away, I mean its maybe a half an inch above the bezel and only seen on an all white background. Very, very strange. I guess I should leave the set off the morning before the technician comes!

So, this being said I have two questions, and maybe Mr. Bob would know. First, being that it moves almost completely from view after warm up, and assuming that this is debris in the coolant.........does the coolant move as it heats up? Maybe spread out a little bit? Or, could this be something else causing this? I wouldn't think that a cobweb would act this way either......

Second question, and I think that it was asked before, but I don't remember an answer: Let say that it turns out that my problem is fixed by replacing a CRT gun...I would assume another 100 hour break-in period, but how should this be addressed? Would this new gun, along with the 2 aged guns cause image problems in the future such as color tinting? Would it be best to break-in the new gun using only the color of the new gun...........an all blue background for a few hours a day for example?

Thanks for the insight guys......
My smudge has grown a little and I do not see a difference in size or noticeability - certainly not dramatic - associated with time the set is on.

Most noticeable on white backgrounds - somewhat less so on light grey and light blue - not noticeable on all colors including not noticeable on light green.

Tomorrow my tech shows up - hopefully.

Pete

ptoemmes

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mabrym
Picture looked grainy last night and this morning. I hit the info button today and the TV is at 540p. The cable box is outputting 1080i. Virtual HD is greyed out, although I don't think you can use that on an HD channel. Cable box is set to output 1080i only and it's connected directly to the TV, not through a receiver or anything. The only thing I can think of is a bad cable or a loose connection, didn't have time to check this morning.

I know when I first got the set the TV was 1080i, wonder how long this has been happening and more importantly how to fix it. Friday Night Lights looked very grainy last night. I realize it's not shot to look like CSI Miami but I don't think it was meant to be that grainy. On the other hand American Idol looked fantastic, I find it hard to believe it was at 540p.

rodeoclown, I'm almost sold on the Harmony. I know when you press Watch TV it sets all the inputs and sets the remote to control the cable box. But what if I then want to go to my stereo and change output levels of surrounds or other adjustments. I don't see a place for device keys. Surely I don't have to press Listen to Music? Would the Sound button take care of that? And if I press Video that takes me to the TV setup menu? As far as the backlight, it is legible in the dark, right? I have very good eyesight.


First you need set your VHD back to 1080i. Personally I have NEVER found a scenerio where 540p looked better than 1080i. AS you now know the VHD can not be accesed when the tv is fed an HD signal. Just switch to an input not receiving an HD signal and change the VHD back to 1080i in the menu. This setting is global and is carried over to all inputs. You will seee when you change it.

Also Friday Night Lights is purposely fimled to be extrmemly grainy. In fact Its one of the grainiest shows Ive ever seen. You are getting used to your new BIG tv. There are many things you are now going to see that you never even knew were there with your 30" . Some good , some bad. But the grainyness of FNL is on purpose.

Chitown1211

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Quote:
Originally Posted by scobad
Hi All, great stuff - here...I still have 3 questions - Seem relatively simple...

First - My 57 is about 3 weeks old. Last week after being on for about 3 hours - it just shut off...No big deal, I just pressed the remote and turned it back on. After 6 hours..nothing else happened. Last nite - it was on from 8:30PM to 12:40 and then it just shut off again? was on two hours after I turned it back on with NO issue? Is this a problem?

Second - What is recommended for cleaning the screen ? My tv is about 3 weeks old and I never cleaned the screen when I brought it home - I would like to clean it now? What do I use...


Your set should not be shutting down like that. Get Hitachi warranty service on it, or get a replacement set while you still can.


DO NOT touch that screen! The lenticular is deathly sensitive. Even the glossy clear layer is, if yours has one.

NEVER touch any of those screens with ANYTHING unless you absolutely have to.

The only exception is if you want to dust it, use a CLEAN, DRY terrycloth towel, and go with the vertical lines.

Don't use a dirty one which might have grease or oils on it, or those will transfer to your lenticular and show forever, after that. Oil - of any type, including fingerprints and handprint grease - infects a lenticular like the plague, and never goes away.

Someone took Pledge to my 60" Mit years ago, and the resulting swirls NEVER went away.


Mr Bob

Mr Bob

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Originally Posted by ryankl0813
My dvd player is hooked up with component cables and i dont have a cable box yet, but when i play a movie it seems like it should be better quality

A DVD player hooked up via component should look good on this set. Even if you havent adjusted anything it shouldnt look bad. Of course it wont look as good as an HDTV signal from a cable/dish STB. Either way it should look better than your little crt SDTV.

From what you said about your convergance lines it sounds like your set may have some issues. If you think adjustments mentioned in this thread are too much for you to tackle I suggest exchanging the set if you still can. Im never comfortable when I get a product home with issues right out the box.

Chitown1211

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOtherOne
The problem is consistent and always there when the STB is set to output on 1080i. Zero issues when I change it to 720p.

I'm already using the two component inputs for other devices. I could always hook everything through the component switcher on my audio reciver, but I would rather hook it directly and use the HDMI connection on the TV since it is open.



I think I'll try a new hdmi cable first and then I'll exchange the STB. Once I've ruled out the cable and STB, I'll call Hitachi and start complaining.
I was just curious if 1080i works for you when using component. If it does it pretty much narrows down your issues to the HDMi cable or the HDMI port on the STB.

Chitown1211

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Help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I seem to have locked in some kind of zoom I can't get out of. Suddenly last week the picture jumped up a little in size and if say I'm on something like CNN with a scroll at the bottom the scroll isn't visible or for a football game the little info box at the top is cut off no matter if it is sdtv or an hdtv signal. I also can't get it in 4:3 from the cable box anymore. If I play a 4:3 dvd no issues. I have the cable(Time Warner) box set to pass thru. I go to aspect and the only 4:3 option available when watching cable is 4:3 expanded. It won't let me select 4:3 or 4:3 zoom. When playing a 4:3 dvd no issue picking any format. I never had an issue with it before but I've only had the set 3 weeks. My cable is over component and dvd over HDMI. One other thought is Comcast took over my local Time Warner area this month. Has Comcast changed something?

Any ideas?

Tex-amp

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex-amp
Help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I seem to have locked in some kind of zoom I can't get out of. Suddenly last week the picture jumped up a little in size and if say I'm on something like CNN with a scroll at the bottom the scroll isn't visible or for a football game the little info box at the top is cut off no matter if it is sdtv or an hdtv signal. I also can't get it in 4:3 from the cable box anymore. If I play a 4:3 dvd no issues. I have the cable(Time Warner) box set to pass thru. I go to aspect and the only 4:3 option available when watching cable is 4:3 expanded. It won't let me select 4:3 or 4:3 zoom. When playing a 4:3 dvd no issue picking any format. I never had an issue with it before but I've only had the set 3 weeks. My cable is over component and dvd over HDMI. One other thought is Comcast took over my local Time Warner area this month. Has Comcast changed something?

Any ideas?
Sounds like an issue at the source (Comcast). What kind of cable box is it? Normally, Comcast has been using Motorola units for digital/HD (in my area anyway). Don't know what TimeWarner was using. Those Comcast/Moto units allow a 4:3/SD output for either 480i/p (which would activate your set's gray sidebars), "stretch" and a bypass function that esentially upscales SD material to your box's native HD resolution (selectable btwn 720p/1080i).

Considering your DVD player is still displaying stuff normally, I'd call Comcast. If they just took over your previous provider, it MIGHT be an issue btwn the signal and your existing cable box . Maybe have 'em swap you for a new "Comcast" box and see if that works for you. But it doesn't sound like ithe problem is with the TV.

Another thing to try would be disconnecting the cable from the cable box input and running it directly into the TV's coax (antenna) input. You'll need to set the tuner to "Cable" and likely do a channel scan (very easy-explained in manual). The TV should be able to tune to any "analog" channels (2-99). See if the picture on those is also "zoomed" as you say. Whether or not it is will still mean that the problem in on Comcast's end and at worst would require a new cable box (which shouldn't cost you a dime).

jwebb1970

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i guess i could call hitachi

ryankl0813

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Thanks jwebb. I'll give those a try.

Tex-amp

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ptoemmes
First available appointment from the warranty rep Hitachi recommended is 2/2 . Crud...I told them I would take a cancellation. Gotta play the warranty game though I suppose.

The "smudge" seems to have grown a bit mostly in the vertical and is most evident on the contrast test screen from a setup DVD that Circuit City provided.

Maybe someone else can get a resolution on their similar isssue before me. jtwebb is pretty sure his is "coolant cooties".

Pete

You know what is really interesting.....................my "smudge" appears to be getting smaller and fainter. My wife actually mentioned it, so I know its not some "mind trick" of my own! I still plan to see if any cobwebs are in there, and I will continue to see if my issue gets better.

lifesun

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ryankl0813
When i do the 107 adjustment, why are my red and blues lines big on the far left side and my whites on the far right
Most likely an issue w/ the set's mechanical focus (at the CRT lens point). This is physically adjustable (Mr. Bob prides himself on getting focus as tight as humanly possible during calibration and it looks/sounds like he gets excellent results). But you might want a tech (or better yet an ISF calibrator) to dial this in for you.

Could also be the "electrostatic" focus which is controlled by pots inside the front access panel (behind the spkr grill). The "focus pak" (black box w/ 6 pots) has focus adj pots for all 3 colors of CRT. You could try adj'ing these while 117pt grid is displayed to get all 3 colors as tight as they can get from there. 2 things to remember---one, blue is purposely de-focused at the factory (helps with light output) and should stay that way to a certain extent. Two, the focus pak's pots are labelled as to their function. Only adj the 3 labelled "FOCUS". The ones labeled "SCREEN"-----DON'T TOUCH THOSE!!!! They esentially control the "amount" of each color displayed. They are very sensitive and messing w/ them will throw your entire pic's color scheme out of whack!! And it's very difficult to get it back.

Does this problem translate to actual video images? Are images blurry/fuzzy, etc. when watching TV? 117pt/DCAM grids CAN look slightly fuzzy when viewing them, but the actual TV pictures look fine.

Contact Hitachi to see if they can point you in the direction of an authorized tech in your area. Should be a warranty issue if your set is new yet out-of-focus, esp. during regular TV watching.

jwebb1970

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ok thanks, i really dont know if its normal or not but the picture does not look bad, that has been my biggest issue though, i dont have a bad picture, but i still think my little tv has a better picture when playing dvds, my pictures are a little fuzzy though

ryankl0813

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lifesun
You know what is really interesting.....................my "smudge" appears to be getting smaller and fainter. My wife actually mentioned it, so I know its not some "mind trick" of my own! I still plan to see if any cobwebs are in there, and I will continue to see if my issue gets better.

Gotten better? Could be cobwebs. Those things can move around for one reason or another. I did confirm that my blue gun has a defect in the coolant level that is in the lightpath. A tech is coming this evening to make an official confirmation so that Hitachi can swap out the blue gun.

When I checked all 3 guns (removed the lens covers from each one a a time), I did see that the same flaw/"cootie" was present in all. Only blue, however, is blocking a bit of the lightpath, causing the yellowish "smudge".

jwebb1970

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Does anyone know how to change the vertical centering while in HD mode?

I finally solved why adjusting vertical positioning never moved anything. It's only active when in Virtual HD mode. If I feed it a 1080i signal (which is what I almost always use), vertical centering doesn't change anything (even if I change into HD mode via the Horizontal setting.)

Paul33993

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bob
Your set should not be shutting down like that. Get Hitachi warranty service on it, or get a replacement set while you still can.


DO NOT touch that screen! The lenticular is deathly sensitive. Even the glossy clear layer is, if yours has one.

NEVER touch any of those screens with ANYTHING unless you absolutely have to.

The only exception is if you want to dust it, use a CLEAN, DRY terrycloth towel, and go with the vertical lines.

Don't use a dirty one which might have grease or oils on it, or those will transfer to your lenticular and show forever, after that. Oil - of any type, including fingerprints and handprint grease - infects a lenticular like the plague, and never goes away.

Someone took Pledge to my 60" Mit years ago, and the resulting swirls NEVER went away.


Mr Bob

Bob,

What about using a dry Swiffer to clean the dust off the screen?

-Funk

thefunks67

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chitown1211
I was just curious if 1080i works for you when using component. If it does it pretty much narrows down your issues to the HDMi cable or the HDMI port on the STB.
Yeah, 1080i works great when I hook the STB up with components.

Could it not still be an issue with the HDMI input port on the TV?

TheOtherOne

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Everyone here has been so helpful with my questions and I am very grateful. The picture on my TV looks alot better than the day I received it.

I do however have one major problem. The whites on my TV seem to be overexposed or something. They don't look as white as I think they should be and they seem to kinda bloom more that I see on other televisions. Is there a way to kinda turn down the bloom that the white causes?

Also, how do you adjust the grayscale (that could be the problem)?

mmhand

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmhand
Everyone here has been so helpful with my questions and I am very grateful. The picture on my TV looks alot better than the day I received it.

I do however have one major problem. The whites on my TV seem to be overexposed or something. They don't look as white as I think they should be and they seem to kinda bloom more that I see on other televisions. Is there a way to kinda turn down the bloom that the white causes?

Also, how do you adjust the grayscale (that could be the problem)?

Sounds like you're running your contrast overly hot. Turn it down and see if the blanching lessens. Keeping it in a medium/midrange setting and controlling room lighting is best. It keeps your grayscale as linear as possible. The higher you go on your contrast, the more your whites lose their blue component, as blue cannot keep up with red and green at the highest of light levels. Your peaks are dingy while your midwhites stay white.

Overly hot contrast also causes your focus to bloom, and sometimes your convergence to shift during hot passages.


Mr Bob

Mr Bob

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Mr. Bob,
I actually keep my contrast really low. Anywhere from 23 to 38. The problem is still there with low contrast.

mmhand

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmhand
Mr. Bob,
I actually keep my contrast really low. Anywhere from 23 to 38. The problem is still there with low contrast.

Your internal contrast could be set too high, making even low numbers deliver too much overall light level.

Your grayscale could be off. On a b/w picture - like the original Casablanca - try any different color temp settings you might have, and go with the one that most matches the color of a gray, cloudy overcast sky.


Mr Bob

Mr Bob

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmhand
Mr. Bob,
I actually keep my contrast really low. Anywhere from 23 to 38. The problem is still there with low contrast.

You need to change a setting in the service menu to correct this. VERY easy to do. Will take you two minutes. you can find instructions all over this thread , but Ill run you through what you need to do really quick for this particular issue.

To get into the service menu: While holding MENU on the TV. Press MENU-8-SELECT on the remote.

This gets you into the SM.

scroll down till you get to TA1360 and press select

scroll down in there until you see STATG2. It wil be set to 03. Change it to 00. This will eliminate the super bright whites. Be sure to press select after changing it to 00 so that it saves your change.

You can read up in this thread with other changes people have made in the SM. Personally I only changed two things. STATG21-00 to tame the whites and COLORG-01 to tame the red push. Really helped flesh tones.

Chitown1211

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex-amp
Help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I seem to have locked in some kind of zoom I can't get out of. Suddenly last week the picture jumped up a little in size and if say I'm on something like CNN with a scroll at the bottom the scroll isn't visible or for a football game the little info box at the top is cut off no matter if it is sdtv or an hdtv signal. I also can't get it in 4:3 from the cable box anymore. If I play a 4:3 dvd no issues. I have the cable(Time Warner) box set to pass thru. I go to aspect and the only 4:3 option available when watching cable is 4:3 expanded. It won't let me select 4:3 or 4:3 zoom. When playing a 4:3 dvd no issue picking any format. I never had an issue with it before but I've only had the set 3 weeks. My cable is over component and dvd over HDMI. One other thought is Comcast took over my local Time Warner area this month. Has Comcast changed something?

Any ideas?
Check your hidden menu on the Comcast box, you want it set at 1080i, 16.9, 4.3 override.

You hit the power off button on the box itself and then the menu button on the box. The hidden setup menu should apear, after you've made your changes power off and on the power button.

guitarman

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Mr. bob, I put on a trailer for the upcoming B &W movie "the Good German" and I found that the High Temperature setting most resembled a grey overcast sky. To cut down on some of the blue I went into the service menu and altered the white balance slightly. The whites definitely look more white but I still have this issue where the high whites seem to bloom more than they should. It does seem thatt he internal contast may be too high. Is there any way to change this?

Chitown, I think I changed statg awhile back. I am at work so I can't check immediately but I know I have previously done all of Lee Bailey's tweaks mentioned in this thread. Even after doing the tweaks, the whites still seem to be overly bright.

mmhand

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmhand
Mr. bob, I put on a trailer for the upcoming B &W movie "the Good German" and I found that the High Temperature setting most resembled a grey overcast sky. To cut down on some of the blue I went into the service menu and altered the white balance slightly. The whites definitely look more white but I still have this issue where the high whites seem to bloom more than they should. It does seem thatt he internal contast may be too high. Is there any way to change this?

Chitown, I think I changed statg awhile back. I am at work so I can't check immediately but I know I have previously done all of Lee Bailey's tweaks mentioned in this thread. Even after doing the tweaks, the whites still seem to be overly bright.

If Im not mistaken doesnt Lees setting call for changing STAG01 from 00 to 06 and STATG2 to 00 ? IMO changing STATG1 to 06 made the whites too bright. I foung that leaving STATG1 stock at 00 and only changing STATG2 to 00 helped the problem.

Give it a shot. PS. This is with NORMAL temp.

Chitown1211

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Actually, I use STATG1 at 00 and STATG2 at 02. I just checked.

Lee Bailey

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ryankl0813
When i do the 107 adjustment, why are my red and blues lines big on the far left side and my whites on the far right
Ryan, I have been having this problem as well. I have not noticed a problem on the right side of the screen, but when looking at the 117pt grid, my red and blue lines are noticeably wider on the left of the screen.

In my case it is only noticeable when there is text across the screen. The thing that bugs me the most is the bottom line on ESPN. As the text moves to the left edge it gets fuzzy and less focused. I haven't tried to get a tech out to look at it at this point, but if you have any success getting this problem fixed I would love to hear about it.

clonefan

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yea i wish i knew how lol

ryankl0813

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My 65F59 arrived today. I just turned it on 30 minutes ago... And it's... *sniff*... No no.. I will be ok... *Sniff* It's beautiful...

kane100574

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmhand
Mr. bob, I put on a trailer for the upcoming B &W movie "the Good German"...

Obviously I am not the one to ask about these things...

Thanks, Lee and Chitown -

Mr Bob

Mr Bob

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I changed statg and it looks alot better now! The combination of that and altering the white balance has made a tremondous difference. Thanks for all the help Chitown, Lee, and Mr Bob. I really appreciate it.

mmhand

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Ok after one evning and using everyones suggestions about settings. THANK YOU by the way the picture is looking great!! We do seem to have this slight "green flash" you could say on white colored items in movies, as well as fire (like torches, fireplaces, campires ect). It's funny because "Lord Of The Rings" looks AMAZING, but a movie like "The Mummy" Is very distracting.. Any ideas what might cause this?

Thank you all again so much for the wonderful feed back.. I learned a lot about my TV even before I owned it!
K.

kane100574

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kane100574
Ok after one evning and using everyones suggestions about settings. THANK YOU by the way the picture is looking great!! We do seem to have this slight "green flash" you could say on white colored items in movies, as well as fire (like torches, fireplaces, campires ect). It's funny because "Lord Of The Rings" looks AMAZING, but a movie like "The Mummy" Is very distracting.. Any ideas what might cause this?

Thank you all again so much for the wonderful feed back.. I learned a lot about my TV even before I owned it!
K.
I noticed the same thing with the green flashes. I specifically mentioned "The Mummy" earlier in this post. I played around with the color and tint a little. I now see it only occasionally. I think it has to do more witht he fact that I am enjoying the TV now instead of looking for things to fix/change, though.

PDCL

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Anyone get a call from Hitachi saying that the HDMI issues have been resolved and the correction is some changes in the Service Menu settings?

Livin

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off topic question.

Does the tv's signal decoder (I guess that's what you call it) override the dvd player's? Im thinking about upgrading my dvd player. However wouldn't it be a waste of money if the tv automatically decodes whatever signal is given to it to 540p or 1080i?

mhall812

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mhall812
off topic question.

Does the tv's signal decoder (I guess that's what you call it) override the dvd player's? Im thinking about upgrading my dvd player. However wouldn't it be a waste of money if the tv automatically decodes whatever signal is given to it to 540p or 1080i?

TV's don't override the incoming signal. The 2 will interact. If you change the brightness levels, etc in the DVD player, the TV will show them. The TV will assume the source is correct. This is one reason to have your system calibrated. So all the inputs will provide the same output on your screen for color, brightness, etc..

Lee Bailey

Hitachi 57F59A

Supposed to get a call today from my local "Authorized Factory Service" guy to schedule a visit on saturday to change settings. This will (?) fix the HDMI problem. The customer service rep that I spoke with at length yesterday was more concerned with Hitachi's reputation, than with any real knowledge of the actual fix. I did get him to commit that it's a settings change, available to "Authorized Factory Service" via service bulletins on-line, not a software version change. I will do all in my power to capture all the steps performed and report those here!

BTW, do we know anyone with access to this on-line source of "factory service" info? (yes, I have been to the "tweaks" thread.)

darkstarchuck

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarchuck
Supposed to get a call today from my local "Authorized Factory Service" guy to schedule a visit on saturday to change settings. This will (?) fix the HDMI problem. The customer service rep that I spoke with at length yesterday was more concerned with Hitachi's reputation, than with any real knowledge of the actual fix. I did get him to commit that it's a settings change, available to "Authorized Factory Service" via service bulletins on-line, not a software version change. I will do all in my power to capture all the steps performed and report those here!

BTW, do we know anyone with access to this on-line source of "factory service" info? (yes, I have been to the "tweaks" thread.)
I just got called with this as well. I tried to get the rep to give me the settings to change but he claimed not to have them available.

Coach Gibbs

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwebb1970
Wish I had a great answer or story to tell about this. My local tech was supposed to come out on Tues evening, 1/30, to officially diagnose the problem for Hitachi (tech's 2nd actual visit regarding the "smudge"). Got home to find a msg from him stating he needed to reschedule, due to his father having to go to the SF Bay area for emergency heart surgery (bummer for him and his family). Said I should hear back from him in a couple of days to schedule a new time.

[snip]

.

BLUE GUN.

Tech removed - what is it - the lens cover. "Black" spec sure as heck. It definitely was not dirt, and it was not clear (sorry for the pun) to either of us if it was in the coolant or in the actual lens. Probably coolant.

Amazing how a defect so small like that could cause something so - admittedly - vague, but there.

Tech says he will order a new blue gun - maybe 10 days - but of course Hitachi might want them to do something else like they did for jwebb1970.

So, should the set need a mechanical or modified service level focus after the blue gun install?

And I guess it will need another 100 hours to "burn in".



Pete

ptoemmes

Hitachi 57F59A

The tech that diagnosed my blue gun issue today said to really consider getting a screen protector from Hitachi for the 65F59A.

His company does not sell them so it's not about money.

Heck - I am not sure if Hitachi even sells them to tell you the truth. I'll look, but does anyone know?

On the one hand it makes protective sense, but I wonder how much glare it might add!?

Thanks,

Pete

ptoemmes

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptoemmes
BLUE TUBE.

Tech removed - what is it - the lens cover. "Black" spec sure as heck. It definitely was not dirt, and it was not clear (sorry for the pun) to either of us if it was in the coolant or in the actual lens. Probably coolant.

Amazing how a defect so small like that could cause something so - admittedly - vague, but there.

Tech says he will order a new blue tube - maybe 10 days - but of course Hitachi might want them to do something else like they did for jwebb1970.

So, should the set need a mechanical or modified service level focus after the blue tube install?

And I guess it will need another 100 hours to "burn in".



Pete
The new blue gun will need to go thru the 100 hr period. Expect some blue drift during this time.

Likely Hitachi will want the tech to run a test to confirm the "blue cootie" problem (my tech said he will have to come out and cover each lens to determine which gun "really" is the culprit.) I did this myself by covering each lens, one at a time, with a piece of cardboard and confirmed it was blue. Covering blue caused the same yellowish tint to appear all over the screen on an all-white display with the actual "smudge" disappearing. But, gotta jump thru the "official" hoop before proceeding further with warranty replacement.

Your tech may tell them he already has.

I beleive the new gun WILL require a focus/position setup once installed. Those steps, as described in the service manual, say to perform the procedure if a gun is replaced.

Don't now if convergence data already in place for blue will be totally automatic, or if convergence will need to be redone for blue. Likely it will need to be redone. Not a big deal.

My tech so far has come off as rather knowledgable in this area and has certainly replaced CRT guns before. Now I just need to get him back out to my house. Hopefully sometime in the coming week.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptoemmes
The tech that diagnosed my blue tube issue today said to really consider getting a screen protector from Hitachi for the 65F59A.

His company does not sell them so it's not about money.

Heck - I am not sure if Hitachi even sells them to tell you the truth. I'll look, but does anyone know?

On the one hand it makes protective sense, but I wonder how much glare it might add!?

Thanks,

Pete
Haven't seen/heard of screen protectors for the F59s. But I'd imagine, depending on the material used, you'd pick up some glare.

My old Hitachi CRT RPTV (43UWX10B) had a smooth plastic screen over it's ridged (lenticular, yes) screen. That's how it came OOB. It did have some glare issues, mainly during the day. Don't have these glare probems w/ my F59.

Maybe I'm lucky or have just taught her well, but my 4 yr old knows you NEVER touch Mommy and Daddy's big TV. Especially the screen. Let's hope in the coming years, our soon-to-be born daughter #2 will follow suit. Hate to have to beat one of my kids for touching the TV!

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarchuck
Supposed to get a call today from my local "Authorized Factory Service" guy to schedule a visit on saturday to change settings. This will (?) fix the HDMI problem. The customer service rep that I spoke with at length yesterday was more concerned with Hitachi's reputation, than with any real knowledge of the actual fix. I did get him to commit that it's a settings change, available to "Authorized Factory Service" via service bulletins on-line, not a software version change. I will do all in my power to capture all the steps performed and report those here!

BTW, do we know anyone with access to this on-line source of "factory service" info? (yes, I have been to the "tweaks" thread.)
Don't know, but I'd guess such service bulletins are either e-mailed/snail-mailed to Hitachi authorized techs or available to them via a "techs-accesible-only" online database.

Can't recall who posted it, but someone mentioned that their local tech had received a notice sent out by Hitachi regarding the HDMI bugs discussed here and an upcoming fix. Would be nice if this fix could be sent out on the F59-compatable memory cards that the avg user could use to update firmware.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwebb1970
Maybe I'm lucky or have just taught her well, but my 4 yr old knows you NEVER touch Mommy and Daddy's big TV. Especially the screen. Let's hope in the coming years, our soon-to-be born daughter #2 will follow suit. Hate to have to beat one of my kids for touching the TV!
Time for the shock collar!

Lee Bailey

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptoemmes
The tech that diagnosed my blue tube issue today said to really consider getting a screen protector from Hitachi for the 65F59A.

His company does not sell them so it's not about money.

Heck - I am not sure if Hitachi even sells them to tell you the truth. I'll look, but does anyone know?

On the one hand it makes protective sense, but I wonder how much glare it might add!?

Thanks,

Pete
After looking ALL over the net... I came up with my own "protective screen" solution. I and my wife only watch TV at night our living room can become fairly dark during the day if we want it to be. But the little kids are the only ones that have the TV on during the day for sponge bob ect...

I measured the front of my 65f59A TO OUTER EDGES! Called up VOS glass. Said i want a piece of 3/16 polycarbonate cut to these dimensions with the edges sanded a little.
$103.00

Went to Jo anns fabrics. Baught some velcro dots. (OR VERY SMALL STRIPS)
4 for each corner 3 in the middle and sides. 4.00

Presto. polycarbonate protective glass that is scratch "resistant" just as easy to clean as your screen AND removeable when you want it down! just be careful taking it off. Takes two people here. At night or when it's dark it's 100% invisable. During the day it can catch one hell of a glare! but your screen is SAFE FROM KIDS!!! no coloring...hitting with toys.. oily fingerprints.. I have owned my TV less then two weeks and have had to clean the polycarbonate glass 6 or 7 times and only my main screen once.... kids WILL and DO touch the big pretty screen....

EDIT!! Acrylic scratches easier then polycarbonate FYI

kane100574

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by kane100574
^Mighty Shield Isn't around anymore! At least when i was in my frenzy for finding some protection thier 800 # was out of service no local..
Thanks! I deleted the message.

Lee

Lee Bailey

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwebb1970


[snip]

Likely Hitachi will want the tech to run a test to confirm the "blue cootie" problem (my tech said he will have to come out and cover each lens to determine which gun "really" is the culprit.) I did this myself by covering each lens, one at a time, with a piece of cardboard and confirmed it was blue. Covering blue caused the same yellowish tint to appear all over the screen on an all-white display with the actual "smudge" disappearing. But, gotta jump thru the "offical" hoop before proceeding further with warranty replacement.

Your tech may tell them he already has.
Now that you mention it he did just that, but I was on-off the phone while he was here and I did not follow his explanation of what he was doing. But it behaved EXACTLY as you describe!

Pete

ptoemmes

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by kane100574
After looking ALL over the net... I came up with my own "protective screen" solution. I and my wife only watch TV at night our living room can become fairly dark during the day if we want it to be. But the little kids are the only ones that have the TV on during the day for sponge bob ect...

I measured the front of my 65f59A TO OUTER EDGES! Called up VOS glass. Said i want a piece of 3/16 polycarbonate cut to these dimensions with the edges sanded a little.
$103.00

Went to Jo anns fabrics. Baught some velcro dots. (OR VERY SMALL STRIPS)
4 for each corner 3 in the middle and sides. 4.00

Presto. polycarbonate protective glass that is scratch "resistant" just as easy to clean as your screen AND removeable when you want it down! just be careful taking it off. Takes two people here. At night or when it's dark it's 100% invisable. During the day it can catch one hell of a glare! but your screen is SAFE FROM KIDS!!! no coloring...hitting with toys.. oily fingerprints.. I have owned my TV less then two weeks and have had to clean the polycarbonate glass 6 or 7 times and only my main screen once.... kids WILL and DO touch the big pretty screen....

EDIT!! Acrylic scratches easier then polycarbonate FYI
Very cool tip. I'd think this would actually be EASIER to clean than the actual screen.

You might even consider copying your post over to the F59 Tweaks thread. Not an actual settings/adj thing, but certainly a cool "mod" that would be easy to find/reference from there.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptoemmes
Now that you mention it he did just that, but I was on-off the phone while he was here and I did not follow his explanation of what he was doing. But it behaved EXACTLY as you describe!

Pete



You know, this is becoming more and more interesting......................I just can't wait until all of us "smudge" guys actually have the repair to report back with. What I wanted to comment on though is the fact that I am pretty sure that my smudge is caused from the blue gun as well. I haven't taken anything apart, but if I look very closely at the area while the screen is black over the smudge (like a movie with bars).........there is a very faint blue halo on the bottom of the bezel right where the smudge is located......almost like the light is spilling around the defect.

I won't be surprised at all if my blue gun is bad as well..........I should know one week from now!

lifesun

Hitachi 57F59A

Just got a call from my local tech. Back from his emergency trip to the SF Bay area--his dad is all good.

He'll be out Wed 2/7 for the "official" diagnosis. Hopefully a new gun will be in his hands shortly afterwards.

Keep the "Smudge Club" posted as more info becomes available.

Sounds like lifesun's "cootie" is in a position in relation to the blue lightpath that allows evidence of it to be seen even on a black screen. Movies w/ black bars are the only time I don't see any sign of it on mine.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptoemmes
The tech that diagnosed my blue gun issue today said to really consider getting a screen protector from Hitachi for the 65F59A.

His company does not sell them so it's not about money.

Heck - I am not sure if Hitachi even sells them to tell you the truth. I'll look, but does anyone know?

On the one hand it makes protective sense, but I wonder how much glare it might add!?

Thanks,

Pete

It will add horrendous glare and insidious reflections, but hey, will make your set look just like a glossy photograph when it is turned off and not powered up! Yay!

I will sell you the one off my 65" Panny, if you wish, cheap! I couldn't wait to get it offa there.


Mr Bob

Mr Bob

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarchuck
Supposed to get a call today from my local "Authorized Factory Service" guy to schedule a visit on saturday to change settings. This will (?) fix the HDMI problem. The customer service rep that I spoke with at length yesterday was more concerned with Hitachi's reputation, than with any real knowledge of the actual fix. I did get him to commit that it's a settings change, available to "Authorized Factory Service" via service bulletins on-line, not a software version change. I will do all in my power to capture all the steps performed and report those here!

BTW, do we know anyone with access to this on-line source of "factory service" info? (yes, I have been to the "tweaks" thread.)
I'm setting my appt up right now... I'll try to get the settings also. Maybe together we can get an understanding of the issue and fix.

Livin

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livin
I'm setting my appt up right now... I'll try to get the settings also. Maybe together we can get an understanding of the issue and fix.
Totally. Although I've yet to have any real HDMI issues myself (Sony DVD player still getting along nicely w/ my set), it'd be nice to know about this--esp. for future reference.

Be a bit of a sad comment on Hitachi's sometimes less-than-stellar customer service if it turns out that a bunch of HD geeks (and I mean that lovingly ), figured this out, to an extent, and spread the word before the actual manufacturer did.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livin
Anyone get a call from Hitachi saying that the HDMI issues have been resolved and the correction is some changes in the Service Menu settings?
HDMI

Hitachi sent a service tech to my home yesterday. He made some changes to some sttings in the service menu and I have not had an HDMI problem as yet.

Jhbrown1

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhbrown1
HDMI

Hitachi sent a service tech to my home yesterday. He made some changes to some sttings in the service menu and I have not had an HDMI problem as yet.
Could you elaborate in terms of what they did? The HDMI issues I had were intermittent, so the fact that you haven't had any issues--yet--isn't comforting to me!

vstream

Hitachi 57F59A

Click this link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...68#post9668868

..and all your F59 HDMI troubles will magically float away.

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

this is great news for someone who was sitting on the fence about buying one.

jhedges

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhedges
this is great news for someone who was sitting on the fence about buying one.
Now, get off that fence and join the club!

jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwebb1970
Now, get off that fence and join the club!

hopefully you don't want him to join our "smudge club" though

narcolept

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by narcolept
hopefully you don't want him to join our "smudge club" though


jwebb1970

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bob
It will add horrendous glare and insidious reflections, but hey, will make your set look just like a glossy photograph when it is off! Yay!

I will sell you the one off my 65" Panny, if you wish, cheap! I couldn't wait to get it offa there.


Mr Bob

Thanks Mr. Bob - after careful reconsideration based in no small part on your comments - No thanks

I'll just kill anyone who scratches my screen - or make then pay the $200 or so it takes to replace it.

Pete

ptoemmes

Hitachi 57F59A

does any one else get when there going from one hd channel to another hd channel if there broadcasted in different formats does it say the format on the tv in a see though Grey box

jeremy566

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwebb1970
Now, get off that fence and join the club!
I need to wait for them to go on sale again. They are back at retail prices around here. a few weeks ago you could get one for 750-800, not now.

jhedges

Hitachi 57F59A

Anyone think the HDMI-shift-issue will be resolved? I've been avoiding using HDMI at all on this set, but now that I have an HDMI receiver and a PS3 (besides my A2), it's becoming less feasible.

The one time I tried using HDMI from the A2 I got the shift. Should I just deal with it and use it anyway, or hold out?

Also, has anyone experienced a difference in the picture between component and HDMI on this set? It seemed the colors and black level are deeper over component, but the shadow detail slightly better with HDMI. Thanks for any opinions.

fiddlesticks

Hitachi 57F59A

Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddlesticks
Anyone think the HDMI-shift-issue will be resolved? I've been avoiding using HDMI at all on this set, but now that I have an HDMI receiver and a PS3 (besides my A2), it's becoming less feasible.

The one time I tried using HDMI from the A2 I got the shift. Should I just deal with it and use it anyway, or hold out?

Also, has anyone experienced a difference in the picture between component and HDMI on this set? It seemed the colors and black level are deeper over component, but the shadow detail slightly better with HDMI. Thanks for any opinions.
I have been running my new HDA2 to my F59's HDMI in all weekend with nary a shift (so far). Shifting only happened very occasionally with both a Sony NS75H upscaling DVD player (now "retired" to my 5 yr old's room on a Polaroid 19" LCD HDTV) & a D* HR20 HDDVR (which has now gone back to component).

PQ btwn HDMI & component is pretty much identical. Only "advantage" to HDMI is the upscaling of SD DVD thru the player.

If you run an HDA2 via component, you can set the HDA2 to output SD @ 480i, letting the F59's VirtualHD do the upscaling (which works very well, BTW).

As far as a fix for the HDMI shift, Hitachi Customer Relations has told me over the phone several times that they are still working on a solution (most recent contact was about 3 wks ago). Sent them pics of the shift in action several weeks back, and they have called me to update (that they are still formulating a fix).

If you have not contacted HItachi about your shift issues.....do so ASAP.

jwebb1970

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