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Question Athena owners thread. ( AVS Forum Speakers )
Updated: 2008-06-16 03:32:46 (1630)
Athena owners thread.

How do you like your Athena setup? What's your room size, receiver, sub, speakers that you are using and what is your usage percentage (movies/music). Are you planning on upgrating anytime soon? If so, why and what is your upgrade path? What speakers have you owned prior? How would your rate your setup on a scale of 1 to 5? Feel free to include coments on individual components, things you like or dislike.


My very modest setup (but I like it ):

Room: 12x12
Receiver: Pioneer VSX-D811S
Sub: Acoustic Research PR808
Speakers: Point 5 MKII
Usage: 50/50 Music/movies
Upgrade path: Putting together an all black Point 5 system
Owned prior: Polk, Cambridge SoundWorks, Klipsch, Nht
Scale of 1 to 5: 4 /5

Answers: Athena owners thread. ( AVS Forum Speakers )
Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Gilvey
Here's a pair of F2's, an F1 center, and two SVS PB12 Ultra in a 12'x13' room during setup/calibration. I'm using F1's now, though, with a C1 center as I needed the front stage shorter. The F1/F2 are quite similar, I think you'd only see a real difference if you hit the dynamics limits of the F1, the F2 will be cleaner somewhat louder.

I just wonder if the bass of F2s is too much or boomy since I have a listerning area of similar size. I am going to hit my purchase button for F2.2 and this is my only concerns.

Thanks

Mike

mlai01

Athena owners thread.

Well, "boomy" isn't a given just due to the speakers or room, but positioning is everything. I ran them as "small", anyway, so I used the sub's positioning to help with smooth FR.

Jack Gilvey

Athena owners thread.

I run them as small since I have an SVS sub. Even when I ran them as large, they didn't sound 'boomy'. They are accurate.

The only issue I have is that the AS-C1 doesn't output dialogue clearly when the volume is low and the AS-F2s overpower them.

Grayson73

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayson73
I run them as small since I have an SVS sub. Even when I ran them as large, they didn't sound 'boomy'. They are accurate.

The only issue I have is that the AS-C1 doesn't output dialogue clearly when the volume is low and the AS-F2s overpower them.


i'm new to HT, but couldn't you set the center's level in the receiver to a higher point then the other fronts to output more volume?

diesel212

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
The only issue I have is that the AS-C1 doesn't output dialogue clearly when the volume is low and the AS-F2s overpower them.
Strange problem. If anything, the C1 is "too clear" in that it's got some eq built-in to accentuate vocals. The F2 certainly have a higher dynamic ceiling than the C1, but below that they shouldn't "overpower" the center when properly calibrated.

Jack Gilvey

Athena owners thread.

I matched levels with a Radio Shack sound meter and DVD Essentials disc.

I don't EQ anything,..I run them from a Panasonic SA-XR50 receiver.

Others have also had problems with the AS-C1 that have caused them to try AS-B1 or AS-B2 as a center. Too bad they didn't match the woofer size of the center to the AS-F2.

Grayson73

Athena owners thread.

Yeah, but that'd be one heck of a big center. I've had F1, F2, and now C1 as center, but lack of clarity is not something I'd attribute the C1, even after the big guys, unless you hit its ceiling. Perhaps well off-center.

Jack Gilvey

Athena owners thread.

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Just an FYI for those who have been waiting to order these since they are getting harder to find in stock outside of ebay. I just ordered a set, $230.07 or so shipped Fedex 3-day. They've been out of stock for the last two weeks so I figured I'd point this out to those who have been waiting to purchase so you can jump on it while they are available.

Enjoy -- J

YuppieJr

Athena owners thread.

Hmmm after reading some of these latest replies Im thinking that gettin a C1.2 is not the best option for a center?

What have you guys fround best for around that price? I already had the omnimount center stand for it to go on top of the TV and everything planned out...

I have 4 B1.2's (Front R-L and rear R-L) and getting a SVS PB10. All this to a Panny xr55.

Thanks..

Dj_Frost

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Alcasid
The difference is mostly cosmetic. The 1st generation Auditions series are heavier than the newer models but according to Athena they should sound the same.

i think the second generation.....2.2's are heavier and bigger than the 1.2's

diesel212

Athena owners thread.

Well I figured as much but it was more of a ?did I buy it like that (it has been a year so I have been forgetful of it) or did they in fact fall out? - Ah the mysteries of life.

Yillb

Athena owners thread.

Does the center channel included with the athena point5 speakers have a mount as well?
If a mount isn't included does it have the holes on the back so that it can be mounted to the wall?

catch20two

Athena owners thread.

No the point 5 center is not designed to be wall-mounted. If you want to put it on the wall you will need to buy a shelf to put under it, or one of those wall mounts that clamps the speaker from the top/bottom or sides.

jvgillow

Athena owners thread.

I'd like some feedback, which receiver would make a better match with an F2.2 Audition series system, Yammie 2600 or the Pio 74? I've heard that Yammie's have a tendency to be bright, whereas the Pio emphasizes the midrange and upper bass a little more. I'm not sure about the characteristics of the F2.2's, but, I know from the reviews and from what I've read here, they are highly regarded.

larryfdx

Athena owners thread.

I'm installing a 7.1 setup and in my plan I was supposed to took 2 AS-R1 for Left and Right surround and two AS-B1 for rear.
I have ordered last week my two AS-R1 on Athena Factory Clearance center Web site (Pay 225 CAN for a pair). After that i have visisted my local FuturShop this week-end to buy two AS-B1 speaker for rear channel and I have seen a cleanup sale for AS-R1 at only 29$ CAN each for Open Box, only 2 remaining!. I have decided to took a chance on it because AS-B1 was 229$ CAN (58$ CAN for two AS-R1) and the difference was really important.

Just curious if someone have tried this particular setup before me and if it sounds well?
I will received my 2 last AS-R1 in the following days and I will do some testing...

slalanc01

Athena owners thread.

Where did you guys get these sweet deals on the speakers? Looking at the authorized sellers from Athena's site I am unable to find any good prices. I am looking to start with a center channel and replace my old klipsch system over the coming months.

thanks

V_1

Athena owners thread.

Most people get them from Amazon.com or audioadvisor.com. You might want to check at the local Best Buy store also. They usually have open box ones for really cheap prices(I got a pair of open box AS F1s for $220)
BTW, center channel speaker is probably the one weak sibling among the Athenas. Many in the forum seem to think that the C1 is not as great as the B1 or F1 or F2. I don't know much about the C1 because I still use the lower end C5 for center channel..

kera

Athena owners thread.

Hi

Is there any difference between the old Athena AS and the new one?

Did anyone of you heard both of them?

bie2

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bie2
Hi

Is there any difference between the old Athena AS and the new one?

Did anyone of you heard both of them?
I have not had a chance to compare the new F1.2's with my original F1's (cannot find them in stock at a B&M), but I have noticed that the .2's are a few pounds lighter, which could make them more prone to cabinet vibrations. This holds throughout the AS.2 line.

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

Just thought that I'd let everyone know that I finally upgraded my receiver to a Denon AVR-3806. The sound sounds more natural now; although it is unfair to compare the Yamaha HTR-5740 to the 3806. All and all, I am one happy Athena owner now. I never realized how much sound could improve DVD viewing.

jdawg131

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PULLIAMM
I have not had a chance to compare the new F1.2's with my original F1's (cannot find them in stock at a B&M), but I have noticed that the .2's are a few pounds lighter, which could make them more prone to cabinet vibrations. This holds throughout the AS.2 line.
Yes they lightened up the product line. I have all of the new models and all I can say is they are still "heavy" and have incredible sound. No vibrations or problems at all. And as to the center speaker, the C1.2 works perfect with the F1.2s. Plenty of power and clarity. I have read that the F2s may overpower the C1.2, but the F1 works real well with it.

DavidParker

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidParker
Yes they lightened up the product line. I have all of the new models and all I can say is they are still "heavy" and have incredible sound. No vibrations or problems at all. And as to the center speaker, the C1.2 works perfect with the F1.2s. Plenty of power and clarity. I have read that the F2s may overpower the C1.2, but the F1 works real well with it.
This is good to know. The original AS series were so awesome that I am glad they have maintained that quality in the .2's.

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

I am torn i have had the Athena B2.2's for about three and a half weeks and am getting close to the 30 day return period. I am thinking about the F2.2's. Right now I have the yamaha 5860 reciever and C1 as center and two micra's as surrounds. Along with m225 sub that came with the micra system (yeah a bit weak here).I rarely listen to music.....so for DVD and HD sports broadcast would i get a better overal sound if i sold the m225 and exchanged the B2.2's for F2.2's.

So looking for opinions ....B2.2's and M225 or F2.2

clipfan

Athena owners thread.

I just installed my athena system:

2 x B1.2 fronts
1 x C1.2 center
4 S.5 surrounds
Dayton sub-100 10" subwoofer

powered by a Denon AVR-686 receiver

this is in a 14x14 room (approx.)

system sounds great!, the B 1.2 and C1.2 match great and mesh very well with the S5 surrounds.

I'm selling the C5 that came with my point 5 system (brand new, still in factory wrapping, if anyone is interested PM me with an offer.)

-Nick

Drnick5

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by clipfan
I rarely listen to music.....so for DVD and HD sports broadcast would i get a better overal sound if i sold the m225 and exchanged the B2.2's for F2.2's.

So looking for opinions ....B2.2's and M225 or F2.2

IMO neither option. if it were me, i'd sell that micra sub, keep the B2.2's and sink some $$ into a killer sub. i just upgraded from an HTIB sub with B1's/C1/S.5's to an SVS PB10-ISD, and it just fills out the whole system. everything sounds remarkably better, especially movies and TV.

i'd only go the F2.2 route if you've got a powerful amp to feed them and listen to a lot of 2-channel music. just my $0.02.

G-star

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
if it were me, i'd sell that micra sub, keep the B2.2's and sink some $$ into a killer sub.
My thoughts exactly

chas_w

Athena owners thread.

I picked up the Athena p-4000 onsale from Amazon. It comes with foor spiked feet, though and I would rather have some rubber feet as the sub rests on hardwood flooring. Is this screw-in size standard? as in, I can just get any rubber feet to screw in?

vherub

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vherub
I picked up the Athena p-4000 onsale from Amazon. It comes with foor spiked feet, though and I would rather have some rubber feet as the sub rests on hardwood flooring. Is this screw-in size standard? as in, I can just get any rubber feet to screw in?
I believe my p-6000 came with both rubber and metal. Maybe yours will too.

DavidParker

Athena owners thread.

I cant seem to find the answer. What cable do I use with the subwoofer? I picked up a "subwoofer cable" but is had a R/L on 1 end but the woofer only has 1 input. So I took that back and got a PCM Digital Audio cable because that look liked the right cable because it was mono. I have a panny SA-XR55 A/V Rec. Will this cable be ok? Or do I need to go back 1 more time. Thanks

Bushy

bushy

Athena owners thread.

[color=Sienna][quote=G-star]IMO neither option. if it were me, i'd sell that micra sub, keep the B2.2's and sink some $$ into a killer sub.
That really makes sense.... So when you guys are talkin about a killer sub I looked around and found your SVS PB10-ISD for about $475 shipped from svsound. I have heard its sounds great but I really MAX out at $350,,,,would prefer $300 (but who really stays UNDER their max).

I've seen the P-6000 for $250 and P-4000 for $150. Will these be enough to really take my system up a significant notch? or What are some suggestions?

clipfan

Athena owners thread.

bushy,

That digital audio cable will work fine for the subwoofer. You really only needed a mono analog audio cable, but if the digital one wasn't real expensive then I would just hang onto it. Most stores sell cables marked explicitly as "subwoofer cable" but they are just a mono analog audio cable. You could accomplish the same thing by taking a stereo audio cable and ripping it down the seam so that you have two single audio cables.

clipfan,

I wouldn't hesitate to get the AS-P6000; it may not play as deep as the PB10 but if it's anything like the other Athena subs it should give great performance for the money. It should be much more impressive than the Micra 6 subwoofer.

jvgillow

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jvgillow
clipfan,

I wouldn't hesitate to get the AS-P6000; it may not play as deep as the PB10 but if it's anything like the other Athena subs it should give great performance for the money. It should be much more impressive than the Micra 6 subwoofer.

i've heard good things about that AS-P6000. the mirage subs seem to have a lot of fans, as do the dayton subs. any of these would be a big step up from that micra sub, especially with movies.

G-star

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by clipfan
That really makes sense.... So when you guys are talkin about a killer sub I looked around and found your SVS PB10-ISD for about $475 shipped from svsound. I have heard its sounds great but I really MAX out at $350,,,,would prefer $300 (but who really stays UNDER their max).

I've seen the P-6000 for $250 and P-4000 for $150. Will these be enough to really take my system up a significant notch? or What are some suggestions?
Yes, if you get a refurb, the P6000 is pretty darn good for the price. I heard only so-so things about the P4000, so I went for the full 12" with the P6000. Medium sized carpeted room with lots of furniture, and the thing really pounds. I mean, it's like scary powerful. Very clean bass and not boomy. I do about 70% movies, 30% music.

I got the P6000 for $250, factory refurbed. It was in mint condition, the only thing was that it was obvious the box was previously opened and re-sealed. Mine only came with the spike feet. Somebody said theirs came with both rubber and spikes, but I only needed spikes anyway (and it was just a refurb so I had no complaints).

But I read one review that said that for hifi, the P6000 couldn't keep up with his mains. But he was using really good speakers (Totem Mites if I remember correctly). Honestly I don't notice any lag, but I'm not a hardcore audiophile. I'm using the P6000 with JBL Northridge E series and they seem to match well. YMMV.

DesmoBob

Athena owners thread.

Thinking of buying the Athena Micra 6 speakers and will be buying a receiver also and wanted to know if any of you have paired them with any of these: 1) Yamaha RXV757; 2) Pioneer VSX-D914-K; 3) Pioneer VSX-915-K; 4) Panasonic SA-XR70S; or 5) Yamaha RX-V550. If so, what are your thoughts? Any receiver that is not on the list that should be? I don't want to spend more than $400 on the receiver. I chose Athena because they are small and have the best bang for the buck. They would be easily portable in case I were to move in the next year or two. I plan on upgrading in a few years after I get settled and moving these to the bedroom.

mbroadus

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbroadus
Thinking of buying the Athena Micra 6 speakers and will be buying a receiver also and wanted to know if any of you have paired them with any of these: 1) Yamaha RXV757; 2) Pioneer VSX-D914-K; 3) Pioneer VSX-915-K; 4) Panasonic SA-XR70S; or 5) Yamaha RX-V550. If so, what are your thoughts? Any receiver that is not on the list that should be? I don't want to spend more than $400 on the receiver. I chose Athena because they are small and have the best bang for the buck. They would be easily portable in case I were to move in the next year or two. I plan on upgrading in a few years after I get settled and moving these to the bedroom.
I have the Pioneer 815 and it goes well with my C1, B1's and .5's. Athena are known bright speakers and Pioneer is a warm receiver. Even when I run the MCACC auto EQ it lowers the highs some. I'd stay away from a bright receiver.

Look at the 1015. You should be able to find that somewhere online < 400.

SightSeeker1

Athena owners thread.

mbroadus....I was exactly were you were about two months ago looking at the micras and even the same receivers. I bought the micras bc i liked the look...they have great reviews for a HTIB...and i liked the brackets being included. I got them from AA for 300 and liked them alot, but i realized for a little more I could get a much better system....I admit i have been bitten by the audio bug. I needed something that small for my surrounds bc of the room and ammount of space. I got a C1 center (huge difference for TV and movies, which is 95% of my usage) for a $100, then for a great deal on refurb B2.2 $160. Then I used two micras as surrounds can be obtained For Audio Advisor or two b1's for about the same price (120). This is $380 instead of $300. I personaly chose the yamaha 5860 (exact same as Yamaha 757 - few cosmetic diffs) from B&H Photo for $350. This system sounds truely great for $730 you can save $30-40 by using B1's as fronts.

clipfan

Athena owners thread.

Oh I forgot the SUB....

i know of a 1 month old m225,from the micra set up (not huge but makes my GF complain while upstairs once i set it up right). This is not enough if you are really bass hungry. It would probably be enough for me but my neighbors got a bigger sub and it bothers me (lol)

This setup blows the micras away for less than $800.
You seemed to be ready to spend about $700 from what i gathered in your post. From experience the sound difference is worth more then a hundred dollars. The receiver is preference....but for the price i think these speakers are second to none

clipfan

Athena owners thread.

Clipfan, where did you get the Athena Refurb speakers?

dondulah

Athena owners thread.

I got them from AudioAdvisor, about twice a week they send out emails saying they have either demos or refurbs they usually sell in a day or two from what i've seen...go to the AA site and sign up under the newsletter section

clipfan

Athena owners thread.

I posted about this in another thread, but here is the short version: I directly compared my Athena F1's with the Def Tech BP10's ($1,000/pair), and the Athena's won hands-down.

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

Well my wife vetoed the rear speakers for our living room in the new house.

Does anyone have any experience with using an AS-B2.2 as the center channel? I ask b/c now I've got two AS-B2.2s just sitting here not getting any use. I've always found the AS-C1 very underwhelming compared to my AS-F2.2s. Would using the AS-B2.2 actually be better?

Stangs55

Athena owners thread.

Also, when using AS-F2.2 at the front, AS-C1 in the center, a AS-P300 (which i NEED to replace) as the sub, and a Denon AVR-2105 reciever...I have a couple of questions I've never really asked.

What would be a good crossover setting to use? I've been at 80Hz just b/c that was the default. I set this on my reciever and then plug into the Sub Input on my P-300. Should I be going into the Direct Input instead? And if I'm setting the crossover on my reciever, I'm assuming that just cranking the Sub crossover to 120Hz has no effect, right? What would you recommend I do about the LFE setting on my Denon? Should I run it to the AS-F2.2 AND the P300? Or should I just set the LFE below 80 to go to my sub only? It seems like the AS-F2.2's should wail on the P300, so setting it to "LFE+MAIN" would be the best bet...but I'm no expert.

Stangs55

Athena owners thread.

80hz is fine.... maybe a tiny bit lower for the fronts since those babies are F2.2's

AzN_plyR

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stangs55
Also, when using AS-F2.2 at the front, AS-C1 in the center, a AS-P300 (which i NEED to replace) as the sub, and a Denon AVR-2105 reciever...I have a couple of questions I've never really asked.

What would be a good crossover setting to use? I've been at 80Hz just b/c that was the default. I set this on my reciever and then plug into the Sub Input on my P-300. Should I be going into the Direct Input instead? And if I'm setting the crossover on my reciever, I'm assuming that just cranking the Sub crossover to 120Hz has no effect, right? What would you recommend I do about the LFE setting on my Denon? Should I run it to the AS-F2.2 AND the P300? Or should I just set the LFE below 80 to go to my sub only? It seems like the AS-F2.2's should wail on the P300, so setting it to "LFE+MAIN" would be the best bet...but I'm no expert.
I would stick with the 80hz xover.
Plug your sub cable into the direct input. This bypasses the sub crossover and volume dial since you are using your receiver to take care of this.
Leave the LFE for the sub only. You don't want to be sending 20hz signals to the AS-F2's.
The P300 may not be the greatest but I bet the bass is still much better than the ASF2's since it has a bigger drive and more power. So don't use the LFE+main setting. This setting actually gives you twice the bass.

primetimeguy

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by primetimeguy

The P300 may not be the greatest but I bet the bass is still much better than the ASF2's since it has a bigger drive and more power.
The P300 has a single 8" driver. The F2's have two 8" drivers each. (You may right about it having more power, depending on what is driving the F2's.)

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

Thanks for the input guys...I'm actually trying to keep it all in this thread, and I posted a new question there - wanna help? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=678068

Stangs55

Athena owners thread.

Greetings,

Instead of purchasing a C1, I bought a pair of B1s to match my front main B1s. I experimented with using one vs. two B1s, portrait vs. landscape, T-M vs. M-T, below vs. above vs. both sides vs. both above and below my 27" TV. The greatest difference that my old ears could hear was in the higher freqs. These are the setups that pleased my ears the most:

Best: One B1 placed upside down (portrait, M-T) on top of the TV. No WAF, yet (moving the speaker behind the TV on a stand or shelf or wall mount might gain WAF).

Better: Two B1s placed end to end with their midranges next to each other (landscape, T-M-M-T). I wired these in series since my amp cannot handle 4 ohms. Not much WAF either.

Good: Two B1s placed one on each side of the TV (portrait, T-M), wired in series. This has WAF.

Hope this helps someone or at least encourages some further experimentation towards finding the ultimate location(s) for B1s as center channel speakers.

Sincerely,
Leo W

leow

Athena owners thread.

Audio is my hobby, and I love to experiment. This morning, I hooked up a system consisting of a pair of WS-15's and an AS-P400 sub in my stereo. I will listen to it tonight and report back. It would surprise me a lot if it can displace my reference Def Techs, but it seems likely that it will sound very good. The tiny cabinets will enhance imaging and eliminate resonance and diffraction. The only potential issue is integration with the sub (which I have placed dead center to eliminate issues with directional bass.)

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by leow
Greetings,

Instead of purchasing a C1, I bought a pair of B1s to match my front main B1s. I experimented with using one vs. two B1s, portrait vs. landscape, T-M vs. M-T, below vs. above vs. both sides vs. both above and below my 27" TV. The greatest difference that my old ears could hear was in the higher freqs. These are the setups that pleased my ears the most:

Best: One B1 placed upside down (portrait, M-T) on top of the TV. No WAF, yet (moving the speaker behind the TV on a stand or shelf or wall mount might gain WAF).

Better: Two B1s placed end to end with their midranges next to each other (landscape, T-M-M-T). I wired these in series since my amp cannot handle 4 ohms. Not much WAF either.

Good: Two B1s placed one on each side of the TV (portrait, T-M), wired in series. This has WAF.

Hope this helps someone or at least encourages some further experimentation towards finding the ultimate location(s) for B1s as center channel speakers.

Sincerely,
Leo W
Excellent post, I'm going to have to experiment when I get home today.

I'm curious though, since I have a RP TV that angle from the back to the screen...could I possible hide two B1's on either side behind the TV? What does this do for audio quality if my speaker is pointing at the back (side-back really) of the tv? Bad idea?

Stangs55

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stangs55
Excellent post, I'm going to have to experiment when I get home today.

I'm curious though, since I have a RP TV that angle from the back to the screen...could I possible hide two B1's on either side behind the TV? What does this do for audio quality if my speaker is pointing at the back (side-back really) of the tv? Bad idea?
Having a solid object, such as your TV, between you and the speakers is very definitely going to muffle the sound. Also, two speakers on either side of the TV as a "center" will kind of defeat the purpose as someone sitting off-axis will hear all of the sound coming from the speaker closest to them instead of from the center of the screen (not a big deal for a small TV, but significant for a big screen.)

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

Hi all. I just spent the last couple of hours reading through this entire thread, and I believe you all have me sold on Athenas. Currently I have an H/K 635 on the way, and was thinking that the C1, B1's L/R combined with 4 S.5's and Dayton 12 would be a nice setup for a room 20x14. Going for a decent 7.1 system with the smallest amount of money...

Anyone think that this is not enough? I'd like to have the PB10 sub, but that's just not an option right this second...

In fact, my house isn't even built yet, hell it's not broken ground yet...and I'm trying to get my ducks in a row before we close 4-5 months from now. Should I wait for pricing to come down or go ahead and jump on deals as they happen now?

I couldn't pass up the H/K 635 ($485 shipped from Harmon Audio) but I'm wondering if I should wait on getting speakers... I'd also like to hear suggestions on speaker placement in the room if you have any...

Any thoughts/suggestions are appreciated.

TIMMEH

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TIMMEH
Hi all. I just spent the last couple of hours reading through this entire thread, and I believe you all have me sold on Athenas. Currently I have an H/K 635 on the way, and was thinking that the C1, B1's L/R combined with 4 S.5's and Dayton 12 would be a nice setup for a room 20x14. Going for a decent 7.1 system with the smallest amount of money...

Anyone think that this is not enough? I'd like to have the PB10 sub, but that's just not an option right this second...

In fact, my house isn't even built yet, hell it's not broken ground yet...and I'm trying to get my ducks in a row before we close 4-5 months from now. Should I wait for pricing to come down or go ahead and jump on deals as they happen now?

I couldn't pass up the H/K 635 ($485 shipped from Harmon Audio) but I'm wondering if I should wait on getting speakers... I'd also like to hear suggestions on speaker placement in the room if you have any...

Any thoughts/suggestions are appreciated.

My $.02. Get the PB10, not the Dayton. If that means skipping on the C1.2 and B1.2s for now and only buying the entire .5 system and going 5.1, then so be it. Down the road, get the B1.2s and add them in while still using the .5 center. Further down the road, get the C1.2 and retire the C.5. As for setup, use the Dolby recommendations.

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_e...oomlayout.html

cherry ghost

Athena owners thread.

I was under the impression that the MKII system wasn't as good by itself...perhaps I was incorrect. I thought that the C1/B1.2's would dramatically improve the sound. Currently a pair of B1.2's is $119, and the C1 is $139. Add the Dayton 12 for $149...totals $407 not including shipping. That's the cost of a PB10...

TIMMEH

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TIMMEH
I was under the impression that the MKII system wasn't as good by itself...perhaps I was incorrect. I thought that the C1/B1.2's would dramatically improve the sound. Currently a pair of B1.2's is $119, and the C1 is $139. Add the Dayton 12 for $149...totals $407 not including shipping. That's the cost of a PB10...

IMO, your room is too big for the Dayton. I had the .5s by themselves and thought they were great. I have since gone to 7.1 by adding B1.2s to the front and moving 2 S.5s to the rear. I'm waiting to upgrade the center. Hopefully, someone else will respond and you can compare opinions.

cherry ghost

Athena owners thread.

thanks, I am hoping the MKII's will suffice until I can get the others. I might just get the PB10 and hold off like he suggested...

any other ideas?

TIMMEH

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PULLIAMM
Audio is my hobby, and I love to experiment. This morning, I hooked up a system consisting of a pair of WS-15's and an AS-P400 sub in my stereo. I will listen to it tonight and report back. It would surprise me a lot if it can displace my reference Def Techs, but it seems likely that it will sound very good. The tiny cabinets will enhance imaging and eliminate resonance and diffraction. The only potential issue is integration with the sub (which I have placed dead center to eliminate issues with directional bass.)
I am impressed. This is not just a system that "will do", but a damn fine sounding setup. Admittedly, it has a couple of compromises compared to full-sized speakers (mono bass, a slight dip in the crossover region), but there are always compromises. These are more than made up for by the absolutely "boxless" sound. The music is "there" in the room, and it is almost impossible to identify the speakers as the source even when looking directly at them. The overall sound quality is amazing, especially in the vocal range.
For a while at least, I am going to use this system as my stereo and return the Def Techs to my HT. This was not the result I expected (this was to be a one-night experiment.)
I highly recommend this system, not just as a "stopgap" but on its own merits.

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

I'm still trying to get my hands on an MKII set. I'm hoping I can get one cheap...that way I can get the PB10.

TIMMEH

Athena owners thread.

I need to get a new subwoofer (I have a cheapo KLH now) and I have been looking at the AS-P6000 and AS-P4000 to go along with my AS-F2s, AS-C1, and AS-R1s but I am not sure which would give me what I need. My room is 15x15 and I want a good amount of bass for big movies and games because my KLH does not really have the volume or depth to hitbig when something happens on screen. I have heard the older AS-P400 at best buy but in their open demo areas it was not the best sounding.

Sunkist

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TIMMEH
I'm still trying to get my hands on an MKII set. I'm hoping I can get one cheap...that way I can get the PB10.

Maybe this guy can help

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post7685123

If not, "onecall" has them in stock

cherry ghost

Athena owners thread.

I'm not sure if it matters, but my living room has a strange setup and a large space. I am thinking about the following equipment. Do you think it is enough?

Athena
B1.2 Front
C1.2 Center
add Rear later
HSU, SVS, or Athena sub

Receiver: Pioneer VSX-1015TX or Panasonic XR-57


deepakhj

Athena owners thread.

I would stay away from the Athena subs for a larger room like that.

If you go SVS/HSU you can consult directly with them for recommendations on a sub. HSU has its own web forum and for SVS of course you can just email techsupport at svsound.com.

jvgillow

Athena owners thread.

As a center speaker is the AS-C1 intended to be on its side or can it be standing vertically like I have my AS-B2s? The reason I ask, is because it seems to sound better standing vertically. I would expect that standing upright it would have better horizonal dispersion especially in the highs from the tweeter. On its side the highs would bounce off the ceiling and floor more, would they not? Or does it actually matter which way it is sitting as long as it is above or below the screen? Anyone else experimented with this. What did you find?

Star Hawk

Athena owners thread.

Quick question that hopefully you Athena owners can help me with -
I'm currently considering purchasing the AS-C1.2 as well as either B1.2's or B2.2's for fronts. My question is are the B2.2's worth the extra money (over 2x as much as 1.2's at audioadvisoor)? The only advantage I have read is the 2.2 has better bass handling, so they are a better choice for those w/o a sub, however I DO have a sub in my set-up.
Does anyone have any advice, or can anyone give me a comparision between the B2.2 and B1.2?
Thanks

beye

Athena owners thread.

As an owner of both the AS-B1 and AS-B2.2, I don't think the B2s are worth twice the price especially if you will be using a subwoofer. 50% more possibly for the extra low end extension but that's it.

If you get the AS-B1s cross them over at 80-90 Hz and you should be set.

jvgillow

Athena owners thread.

My WS-15/P-400 experiment is over. It is a very nice setup for the price, but my Def Techs are still better.

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jvgillow
As an owner of both the AS-B1 and AS-B2.2, I don't think the B2s are worth twice the price especially if you will be using a subwoofer. 50% more possibly for the extra low end extension but that's it.

If you get the AS-B1s cross them over at 80-90 Hz and you should be set.
What if the price difference was only $20?

TIMMEH

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TIMMEH
What if the price difference was only $20?
I would definitely say that is worth it.

PULLIAMM

Athena owners thread.

I just got the point 5 set and the P4000 sub and i have a set up question. According to the receiver manual i have to set the sub to max and use the mic to do the auto set up. According to Athena i have to set the sub to match the speakers. What do i go by?

Damol1

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damol1
I just got the point 5 set and the P4000 sub and i have a set up question. According to the receiver manual i have to set the sub to max and use the mic to do the auto set up. According to Athena i have to set the sub to match the speakers. What do i go by?

Set the crossover on the sub to max and use the receivers crossover. Try 80hz, but 100hz is probably better with the .5s. Also, I believe the manual for the .5s says to set speakers to "large", set them to "small".

cherry ghost

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by beye
My question is are the B2.2's worth the extra money (over 2x as much as 1.2's at audioadvisoor)?
Audioadvisor seems to have the best price on the F2.2s (the pair package and free shipping), but Abes of Maine has a much better price on the B2.2s, the R1.2s, and the IC series.

The difference in price between the B1.2s and B2.2s is $45 per pair at Abes.

Lord Flatus

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by primetimeguy
Not sure why the manual says that because it really makes no sense. If you use the sub input you now have cascading crossovers (two of them in loop, receiver and sub) and this is not a good thing. And if you happen to set the sub crossover lower than the receiver, any frequencies in between the two crossovers is lost and not heard.

Stick with the direct in so it disables the sub crossover and volume controls. Then adjust the sub level in your receiver.

I'm not an Onkyo guy, so is the 605 the same as the TXSR605?
Yes, it's the new one that just came out a couple weeks ago. The only sub level I can see in the receiver to set is the volume.

letsee13

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by letsee13
Yes, it's the new one that just came out a couple weeks ago. The only sub level I can see in the receiver to set is the volume.
That is a nice receiver and it definitely has an adjustable crossover (maybe even one for each speaker). Dig through all the speaker settings and do the following:

1) set all speakers to small
2) set subwoofer to yes or on
3) set bass out (may be called something else) to sub only
4) set crossover to 80hz
5) set all speaker distances correctly
6) set all speaker levels to 0, except the sub set to -5db for now

Then use an SPL meter to set speaker levels properly or adjust the the levels as desired.

primetimeguy

Athena owners thread.

Wow. I will have to look through the manual to find all those settings since I never saw those in there before. Plus, I don't have an SPL meter (or know what it is). Anyway, thanks.

It may all be moot since I just did something that suddenly killed my sub. I was having trouble with wind noise coming out of the back of the Athena and just noticed that it was missing a screw and that was where the wind was coming from in the back. It was one of the 4 screws that surround the inputs in the back (not the ones on the outer back, but the inner ones). So...I started to unscrew one of the other three inner screws directly across from that hole and I heard something fall inside the sub when I had only loosened it, and the Athena went dead.

I decided to unscrew the back panel and see what was wrong (even though I've never been inside a speaker or sub before and I'm a total non-techie). I managed to get out the nuts that had been attached to the back of the missing screw and the one I loosened. The screws seem to just hold some metal housing in place. It didn't seem like anything else should have been effected since it was working fine until I simply loosened the one screw and the nut must have fallen off (the other nut obviously had been inside a while). I got the matching screw at the store, screwed in both screws and nuts and put the back on again but still the sub is dead. What happened? I looked at the fuse but it looks fine (not sure what it is supposed to look like though).

Any ideas are MUCH appreciated!

letsee13

Athena owners thread.

I thought I figured out the problem but need one answer please.

I went to buy a new fuse for the dead AS-P300 but I could only find a 1.5 amp 250 volt fuse (at Radio Shack). The fuse on the AS-P300 subwoofer is 1.25 amp 250 volt. The salesman claimed it wouldn't matter and should be fine. I tried it and now it powers on (!) and then the new fuse blew out (I had the volume on the amp set at 2 and it wasn't even connected to the receiver). Radio Shack and OSH don't seem to have the 1.25 amp fuse and I'm not sure where else to get one. Is it ok to use1.5 amp as a replacement for a 1.25 amp fuse or is that why it just blew? Any ideas of why this would blow immediately like that with the 1.5 amp??

letsee13

Athena owners thread.

I am looking to spend $250-350 on a pair of Athena towers, either F1.2 or F2.2.
Can you recommend vendors - EBay or elsewhere online where I can get a good price on those?
Also, is the extra $100 really worth getting the F2.2s, as I'll mostly be using the system for TV and movies?
The rest of the system will be a pair of B1's and C1

chernomorez

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chernomorez
I am looking to spend $250-350 on a pair of Athena towers, either F1.2 or F2.2.
Can you recommend vendors - EBay or elsewhere online where I can get a good price on those?
Also, is the extra $100 really worth getting the F2.2s?

I cant speak to whether the F2.2's are worth the extra money since I have never heard them but I do have the F1.2's and combined with the rest of the athena line in my 6.1 system they sound great.

For a great price look at www.audioadvisor.com.

They have the entire athena line on sale since they are being discontinued.

Hellsya69

Athena owners thread.

The F2.2 will give you more bass with its dual woofers. How big is your room? You can get the F1.2 for roughly $250 pair from Audio Advisor.

F1.2 (no free shipping)
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...ber=ATASF1%2E2

F2.2 (free shipping I believe)
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...ber=ATASF2%2E2

If you check on Amazon.com, Upstate Wholesale is selling the F2.2 for $139 plus shipping. It probably comes out the same as Audio Advisors price once you factor in the shipping though.

afrogt

Athena owners thread.

What do you recommend for the surround speakers? I have a pair of B1s, but I'm thinking of going towards R1.2s. What is the real advantage of having R1.2 over B1, other than the ability to hang it on the back wall?

chernomorez

Athena owners thread.

R1.2s have 2 drivers 1 on each side at an angle. They direct the sound it a wider area for more on envolping effect, not good if your seating position is directly in front of the speaker but if it's off to the side a little I would go with them.

Also for music I find them not as good as using a direct bookshelf. If you listen to mostly HT and they are placed properly I'd go with them.

As you stated they aren't rear ported so if you require wall mounting that's a good way to go. Otherwise I'd go with another set of B1 or B1.2s with stands the price should be about the same either way.

Jakeman02

Athena owners thread.

Has anyone seen good deals on AS-R1.2s lately? The best I've seen so far are $80/each + shipping on AudioAdvisor, and marginally cheaper on EBay.

chernomorez

Athena owners thread.

Those R1.2 surrounds never get cheap. Cheapest I've ever seen is $80 each.

Audio Advisor had some Sound Dynamics RTS-RS1 surrounds on clearance for $49/pr just a few weeks back. Sound Dynamics is/was a sister company to Athena, Mirage and Energy. I scooped those up right away. They work well with my Athena F1, C1 setup.

Don't know if AA has any more though.

afrogt

Athena owners thread.

Trying to make a decision regarding speakers and receivers and subwoofer.
Help much appreciated!

1. Athena F2.2 (are there smaller speakers that are comparable in quality?)
2. Athena C1.2 (smaller option without quality drop?)
3. Athena B1.2 (smaller option any?)
3. subwoofer: big question. as of this point thinking of SVS PB-NSD. Alternatives? Would SVS-PB12 Plus be equally good? It is smaller and more expensive!
5. receiver - big open question. likely HK AVR 247 or Onkyo TX-SR605. Recommendation any?

msim

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chernomorez
Has anyone seen good deals on AS-R1.2s lately? The best I've seen so far are $80/each + shipping on AudioAdvisor, and marginally cheaper on EBay.
Sent you a PM

afrogt

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chernomorez
Has anyone seen good deals on AS-R1.2s lately? The best I've seen so far are $80/each + shipping on AudioAdvisor, and marginally cheaper on EBay.
I am looking for a pair of AS-R1 also.

curtis104

Athena owners thread.

hi. i am wondering if there are smaller form factor speakers that can deliver very comparable sound quality as the athena audition appear to deliver. any ideas? i would be open to spending somewhat more but not a whole lot more than the audition series (say 50% more...).

i am thinking that i can pair them with a SVS sub if the speakers i eventually buy are small.

any ideas would be appreciated.

msim

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by msim
hi. i am wondering if there are smaller form factor speakers that can deliver very comparable sound quality as the athena audition appear to deliver. any ideas? i would be open to spending somewhat more but not a whole lot more than the audition series (say 50% more...).

i am thinking that i can pair them with a SVS sub if the speakers i eventually buy are small.

any ideas would be appreciated.
Both HSU and SVS offer good packages, and both include great subs:

http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_black.cfm

http://www.hsuresearch.com/packages.html

Pagash

Athena owners thread.

[quote=Pagash]Both HSU and SVS offer good packages, and both include great subs:
----------

would you say these packages sound close to the athena audition series speaker?

i am especially interested in understanding how audition f2.2 compare with the bookshelf with these packages?

i researched and found that the bookshelf and cenetr channel speakers that come with svs package are about the same size as athena audition. svs speakers are more expensive however. do they sound noticably better as well?

msim

Athena owners thread.

[quote=msim]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagash
Both HSU and SVS offer good packages, and both include great subs:
----------

would you say these packages sound close to the athena audition series speaker?

i am especially interested in understanding how audition f2.2 compare with the bookshelf with these packages?

i researched and found that the bookshelf and cenetr channel speakers that come with svs package are about the same size as athena audition. svs speakers are more expensive however. do they sound noticably better as well?
I don't know for sure, but can't imagine that they come close to the F2.2's. There are plenty of reviews of the packages, I don't have links for you sorry. To generalize, the smaller speakers are just not capable of a rich full sound offered by say the F2.2. What size are you wanting? If you can tell us what size, you may get some more specific suggestions.

Pagash

Athena owners thread.

How do you get free shipping on the F2.2's from audioadvisor? I keep getting almost 70 bucks for them to ship 2 of them to me. I would buy but not going to pay for shipping especially when they advertise free shipping. Thanks

tacos

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by primetimeguy
I think you'll here arguements for doing it either way but without doing any in-room freq reponse measurements to see what is really happening, I'd stick with 80hz for all speakers. For what it's worth, I crossover my F2's at 80hz.
I have mine crossed over also at 80 Hz.
There is a white paper called 5 Easy Steps to Home Theater at the Atlantic Technology web site which is worth reading.

http://www.atlantictechnology.com/de...lse&NodeId=108

flmiami

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TDI Driver
Your lack of getting a response is all part of the Klipsch purchase of API last year. I'm a dealer for all three API brands - Athena, Mirage and Energy - and am feeling the "growing pains."

Since the move a few months ago of all things API to Klipsch headquaters, we have had some serious communication issues and service issues. I waited almost two months to get a replacement amp for an Athena AS-P6000 amplifier and was shipped 220V versions twice before finally getting the right one. Now I have an Energy S12.3 sub from our showroom whose amp died suddenly, and while I have received a parts credit, I still have not received an amp. I'm disappointed but I have plenty of other subs to sell. However, when this lack of attention involves a customer, as it did with the P6000, this is not a fun time for anyone.

Sorry for your experience, and I wish you the best of luck in your pursuit. I would sell you a pair of 2.2's if I had them.
Has the situation improved since you posted your message in May?
My AS-P6000 died a couple of weeks ago and I sent it to a repair shop in Florida. They are waiting for the amplifier, which should arrive next week, but after reading your post I wonder if it's going to take longer. Thanks in advance.

flmiami

Athena owners thread.

Does anyone know where to find an as-f2.1 speaker (single)? One of mine crapped out so I'm trying to replace it. Also as a last resort is the outward appearance of the 2.2 and 2.1 similar enough if I ended up having to replace one of the speakers with a f2.2?

atluskane

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by atluskane
Does anyone know where to find an as-f2.1 speaker (single)? One of mine crapped out so I'm trying to replace it. Also as a last resort is the outward appearance of the 2.2 and 2.1 similar enough if I ended up having to replace one of the speakers with a f2.2?

The AS-F2.1 looks like this

http://www.athenaspeakers.com/v2/cla...hp?ident=AS-F2

The AS-F2.2 looks like this

http://www.athenaspeakers.com/v2/pro...?ident=AS-F2.2

So, as you can see, the color of the woofers is different, but as long as you have the black grills installed, you should be OK.

I have AS-F2.2 for my fronts and AS-F1.1 for my surrounds. With the grills installed, there's no way to tell which one is .1 or .2

flmiami

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by atluskane
Does anyone know where to find an as-f2.1 speaker (single)? One of mine crapped out so I'm trying to replace it. Also as a last resort is the outward appearance of the 2.2 and 2.1 similar enough if I ended up having to replace one of the speakers with a f2.2?
The F2.1 comes with a 5 year warranty, why don't you get it fixed for free? If you think its the actual speaker and not the crossover, wiring, etc. They can send you out a replacement woofer.

In the rare chance that it is actually out of warranty, you can get a replacement woofer here.

http://bestbuy.partsearch.com/GetMod...r=ASF21&page=1

afrogt

Athena owners thread.

Only known component is the Receiver Onkyo TX-SR605 I have just ordered.

60% Movies/TV, 25% Music, 15% Gaming

What would you guys recommend for speakers?

I was considering Polk R50 front, CSR center, R150 rear for around $300-$350.

How do they compare against the praised Athena B1.2 x4 + C1.2 center? (cost around $300 as well)

Would the R50 mains perform better with music?

How do R300s compare to R50s?

I have read very good reviews on the ONiX x-ls. They are more expensive close to $700 shipped (all 5 pieces). are they worth it, or do I have better options for that price range? (paradigm atom monitor v.5s? or wharfedale diamond 8.1s?)

How do the Polk monitors or Rtis compare to those?

Open to subwoofer recommendations as well, I was thinking about getting a eD a2-250 or bic h100 around $300.

I am trying to keep a low budget, but I am open to any suggestions. Thank you.

TrebleVsBass

Athena owners thread.

I've owned the R30s and still have a pair of R150s. They're good speakers for the price but the Athenas you mentioned will give you more for your money. I had to downgrade from a KEF iQ setup recently and now have the Athena ASF1s, the C1.2, and 4 B1.2s. They're very fine speakers and for the prices you can find them right now, they're well worth it.





Quote:
Originally Posted by TrebleVsBass
Only known component is the Receiver Onkyo TX-SR605 I have just ordered.

60% Movies/TV, 25% Music, 15% Gaming

What would you guys recommend for speakers?

I was considering Polk R50 front, CSR center, R150 rear for around $300-$350.

How do they compare against the praised Athena B1.2 x4 + C1.2 center? (cost around $300 as well)

Would the R50 mains perform better with music?

How do R300s compare to R50s?

I have read very good reviews on the ONiX x-ls. They are more expensive close to $700 shipped (all 5 pieces). are they worth it, or do I have better options for that price range? (paradigm atom monitor v.5s? or wharfedale diamond 8.1s?)

How do the Polk monitors or Rtis compare to those?

Open to subwoofer recommendations as well, I was thinking about getting a eD a2-250 or bic h100 around $300.

I am trying to keep a low budget, but I am open to any suggestions. Thank you.

mskeezer

Athena owners thread.

Hi! i have a set of
  • Athena Audition B1.2 Book shelf speaker
    Athena - Audition AS-C1.2 Center Channel Speaker

I'm thinking of getting the other pair of B1.2 to complete my surround sound
and also looking at getting the
SVS 20-39 PC+ subwoofer!

will this SUB be too much of an overkill for these bookshelf speakers?

mauly

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mauly
Hi! i have a set of
  • Athena Audition B1.2 Book shelf speaker
    Athena - Audition AS-C1.2 Center Channel Speaker

I'm thinking of getting the other pair of B1.2 to complete my surround sound
and also looking at getting the
SVS 20-39 PC+ subwoofer!

will this SUB be too much of an overkill for these bookshelf speakers?
No such thing as too much sub. Properly calibrated it will sound great.

primetimeguy

Athena owners thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by primetimeguy
No such thing as too much sub. Properly calibrated it will sound great.
Thanks! the Wife gave me the go ahead to get my sub! woohoo!

mauly

Athena owners thread.

I was trying to get opinions on the Athena WS-100/WS-60/WS-15 speakers. Maybe some of you who are owners could help me decide if this series or possibly the Audition series would be a worthy upgrade for a 6.1 Infinity TSS-750 set up. My receiver is the Harman Kardon 240. 70% movies/HDTV...30% music.

thanks...


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