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Question SP Contest Entry Used Illegally ( SitePoint Forums SitePoint Support and Feedback )
Updated: 2008-08-12 07:17:36 (12)
SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Hi,
I am not sure what to do about this. The contest holder has some record in the past also.

He first used my design without announcing a winner. When we find out, he apologised and said he was just using the logo to preview different ideas. He selected another design as the winner, and mine as the runner up. Then he tried to pay $15 via paypal, I declined it as I don't have full access to paypal.

A month later, he used a third entrant's design in his site. The entrant contacted him, and he dropped the logo and now he is using my design again.

I emailed him to remove the design and he replied "why should I, I've already paid $15 to you". Remember I've not recieved that and even if I did, a runner up prize don't give the rights to use the logo.

That's the situation. I really don't care about the prize or smt but just not happy to be pirated. I may PM you the link of the thread if you are interested.

Thanks.

Answers: SP Contest Entry Used Illegally ( SitePoint Forums SitePoint Support and Feedback )
SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Hey there glenngould,

I would storng recommend you to message one of the following forum staff:
Dan Morgan, Ingoal, petertdavis, Rick, Sarah, mmj, Mike, pippo, ses5909, Bleys

Pedro Monteiro

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

i did, but they can only ban the member, no solution

glenngould

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

glenngould, from my experience, there is no solution in most of these cases.

Give this thread a read: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362992

Pedro Monteiro

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

i guess you're right. maybe, i should add the link of that website here, to be indexed at google.

glenngould

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Quote:
Originally Posted by glenngould
i guess you're right. maybe, i should add the link of that website here, to be indexed at google.
Personally, I think that reporting fraud is essential to be able to prevent it.

Out of curiosity, what was the total prize for the logo design?

Pedro Monteiro

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Maybe a name and shame forum is needed!

A site could be setup to highlight these issues to clients of the pirating business.

Any thoughts?

squire

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Quote:
Originally Posted by squire
Maybe a name and shame forum is needed!

A site could be setup to highlight these issues to clients of the pirating business.

Any thoughts?
Wouldn't go that far.

A simple "positive" ranking method would work. I'm more interested in getting good references then seeking bad ones.

In addition, I am sure tha SP takes these issues very seriously, so members who have been caught comminting fraud will be imediatly prevented from participating in the Marketplace.

Pedro Monteiro

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Hi Glen, This is exactly the reason why these types of contests are discouraged by all professional graphic design associations. I tried to post a notice in the market place forum but I got censored. I would suggest checking out the AIGA, Graphic Artists Guild's websites and the Society of Graphic Designers of Canada website regarding design competitions and why they should not be conducted in this manner.

Kevin MGDC

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin MGDC
Hi Glen, This is exactly the reason why these types of contests are discouraged by all professional graphic design associations. I tried to post a notice in the market place forum but I got censored.
You didn't get censored. The thread got moved because your topic wasn't a contest. It's in the Forum Support forum.

vgarcia

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

You should send a cease & desist notice to the party using your work without authorization. You can also invoke the DMCA to get their Website taken down by their Hosting compay...

Matt Mickiewicz

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin MGDC
Hi Glen, This is exactly the reason why these types of contests are discouraged by all professional graphic design associations. I tried to post a notice in the market place forum but I got censored. I would suggest checking out the AIGA, Graphic Artists Guild's websites and the Society of Graphic Designers of Canada website regarding design competitions and why they should not be conducted in this manner.
Bad advice...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz
You should send a cease & desist notice to the party using your work without authorization. You can also invoke the DMCA to get their Website taken down by their Hosting compay...
Good advice...

Kat

SP Contest Entry Used Illegally

Glenn,

Very sorry to hear, my friend.

Transfer of Ownership & Escrow Service
This is why I think Sitepoint needs to have a legal agreement that contest holders and contestants BOTH agree to at the start of a contest. This agreement should contain copyright ownership transfer, FOB contest completion. It would also be beneficial to act as, or partner with, a trusted third-party, escrow service. This third-party would hold the contest holder's prize money for the contestants and would also hold the contest winner's final submission for the contest holder. Once both payment and final design have arrived, the trusted third-party automatically makes the exchange. The contest winner gets their payment and the contest holder gets his design. Win/Win.

Now, simply because someone pays you $25 doesn't mean they own your work. If they don't have a receipt of purchase or license for your copyrighted work - they don't have the rights to use it. You didn't provide the guy a license nor transfer or dissolve your rights.

Cease and Desist Letter

Be careful about what letter you send to this guy.
Here are some things to be aware of:
* Do not invoke "actual controversy"
* Declatory Judgements

This page , for instance DOES invoke actual controversy. Notice the language - instead of "may infringe", this document is making a claim that they ARE infringing. Big difference. When you make a claim against someone, you invoke an "actual controversy" - and you are making a legal statement accusing someone of infringement.

An infringement of this size probably doesn't need to worry about this level of detail. I am not a lawyer and only brought to you information I gathered by reading through some articles. However, if you need further legal advice - feel free to contact me as I can refer you to some good copyright attorneys that I have used in the past.

"Few tips on drafting [infringement] cease-and-desist letters:
(1) Never directly accuse or explicitly threaten;
-Use language to express concern regarding possible infringement like "may infringe".
(2) Avoid litigation language;
-Do not use language making reference to possible damages, liability or juries.
(3) Offer a license; and
(4) Consider other actions taken by your client in the past."

(http://ipcounsel.blogspot.com/2005/0...nd-desist.html)
(http://williampatry.blogspot.com/200...judgments.html)

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act requires that all infringement claims must be in writing and must include the following information:

* A physical or electronic signature of the copyright owner or the person authorized to act on its behalf;
* A description of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed;
* A description of the infringing material and information reasonably sufficient to permit Harvard to locate the material;
* Your contact information, including your address, telephone number, and email;
* A statement by you that you have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; and
* A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and, under the pains and penalties of perjury, that you are authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner.

(http://www.harvard.edu/copyright.html)

rdhatch

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