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Updated: 2008-08-21 03:28:31 (89)
Hdrw720

I been using Philips HDRW720 for over 4 months now and (despite the machine warning me to put it in stand-by to update, i've totally ignored it) i've kept the machine busy 24/7 10F8 for most of that time (archived 100+ DVD's) - so now's good time for 'my' pros & cons

First i gotta say that whatever machine you buy, recording to HDrive is a world away from VCR & DVD, if merely for convenience. Anyone considering buying stand alone DVDR (prolly the fastest rising market at the mo), i would urge to think again about convenience of HD

- i nearly threw it outta window on day one because i could not stop it recording without pulling the plug, only to discover it 'always' records everything/all the time by design. Some machines dont record unless you press record, which semi-defeats the object of Rewinding Live TV (which by definition is for the most part a retrospective decision) - something this machine does brilliantly, upto a whooooooping 6 hours (hence my machine is never put in stand-by)

- With over 50 buttons on the remote it's bit busy (especially because it's small) - when it includes 4 cursors keys, an 'OK' button & 4 option buttons (Red, Yellow, Blue & Green) - any well worked out menu system could be tailored around these buttons alone

- it's not intuative to use - hence, you wont be able to use it day one - you will have to read the instructions - grrrrr

+ by next day you'll find your way around easily save a few special functions

PICTURE QUALITY

+ Can encode @ 1, 2, 2.5 (Full Resolution), 3, 4, 6 & 8 + compression quality measured in # hours of footage per DVD

- HDRW720 can not re-encode to DVD - I was gob-smacked & most other machine can re-encode but in practise it hasn't been an issue for me & you could consider this:

Why might you want to archive in a lesser quality than the original fly-view? (I could imagine wanting to archive to 'better' quality than fly-view, but never worse - maybe old VHS stuff - but i've scrapped all mine)

Re-encoding degrades the original (above and beyond the new compression rate)

Re-encoding has to be done in Real Time (no high-speed dumping to disc)

+ @ 2.5 compression (Full Resolution) the Picture Quality on 720 is Flawless

Some might doubt my opinion as restricted, since i don't own any competing machines, so I am using LIVE broadcast and a pair of eyes/ears as a benchmark (which is as good-as-it-gets whichever machine you buy) + I watch via 32" Pixel+ from within 2.5 metres & i can not tell the difference between 2.5 compression (@ full resolution) and LIVE TV + Any Film dumps direct to one Disc @ High-Speed, no-loss (no re-encode, just direct digital, bit-by-bit dump of the original recording)

Encoding per se (on any machine) comes under a lot of pressure when trying to resolve Hi-Speed activity on the screen (Sports and the like), I dont watch sport so i cant honestly say where the HDRW720 might suffer, but I can say Philips have included a sports mode (buried in the settings somewhere) to help the process - dunno how it works, i assume it's uses a slightly different algorithm, never even tried it



EPG (7 day electronic programming guide)

+ This is a great to program your weeks recordings in advance by simple point & click

+ chops your recordings up into program size bites and 'titles' them for you (does lions share of the editing)

- Cant resume watching selected channel by pressing 'OK' (without going via spurious 'timer' button route)

- Key response is very slow

+ Keystrokes are buffered (so it will catch up with you if you know where you're heading

+ Can browse by Channel/Day/Time or by Genre

- No "Search" facility (e.g. search for "Columbo")

+ the automatic program naming is filtered down to LED display, Timeslip buffer, the HD drive of course (no renaming), DVD & DVD library

+ it can be configured to change channels (via I/R sender included) on upto 3 different external tuners (+ internal tuner) simultaniously (Sky, Cable, Freeview, Whatever) 3890 - but it only has 2 scarts. I have used it with NTL analogue tuner (which Philips say it doesn't work with) & currently using it with Samsung NTL digital tuner (some of early Pace tuners may need Red-Eye (IR>IRDA) adaptor

- it can only record from ONE tuner at any one time

- not all satellite channels have full 7 days, minor channels (by 'Guide+' definition) only have 2 day listing (again defeating the object of Set n forget)

- doesn't support +1 channels e.g "Discover+1"

- you cant reorder channels (dunno, so dont ask me)

+ it updates every night (or whenever you're tuned to/recording from ITV)

+ it will warn you of any timer clashes which happens frequently with the trigger happy like me

+ you can add PDC control to any recordings done from built-in tuner channels 1-5 + i have found it very accurate (within few seconds). Played back a recording done with PDC, feature started 6 seconds later with the announcment "...and now showing 20 minutes later than advertised..." - How good is that!

+ you can apply added time +10 +20 +30 minute - although it adds all the time to the end (doesn't pad the front) + you can add padding by default in the main system settings

- biggest gripe with HDRW720 is measly 12 programming slots - defeats the object of 'set it n forget it' when i can use all 12 slots within 2 days (1 day over xmas) - especially frustrating since it cost nuthin but consideration - whoever decided on 12 slots must've been out to sabotage the machine (i cant imagine any other possible explanation)

- it doesn't have series link (despite the Philips blurb to the contrary on their website, which is nothing short of criminal, since it is obviously, solely there to deceive)

+ the EPG is updated over the air, so i expect these to be corrected in due course

TIME-SLIP BUFFER

+ Pause & Rewind live TV

+ This machine really rewinds + It has huuuuge timeslip buffer from 1 thru to a whoooopin 6 hours (most are around 30 mins). Imagine coming home from work at 5:30, flick back to watch a film that was on at lunch time & THEN decide to record it

+ it doesn't ditch the buffer each time you change channels (as per Sky+)

+ every program lurking in the buffer is "Titled" with the name of the program, thanks to EPG

+ has very flexible one-click navigation from +/- titles, +/- chapters +/- 1 min +/- 10 seconds, pause, +/- 3 frames, frame advance, +/- 1/8, 1/4 1/2 speed

+ User Definable FF/RW 'skip'

HARD DISC DRIVE (80 gig)

+ it's extremely quiet - i cant even hear it with the TV OFF

+ stores 40+ hours std play (or 130+ @ VHS quality)

+ All titles are "Titled" (from EPG)

+ Automatic Chaptering

+ Resume play on aaaaaaall titles (It remembers where you've watched upto on any/all titles, brilliant! - You can even channel surf on your own HD - Press 'Play' to resume, or 'OK' to start over - not documented in the Manual)

+ when full, it automatically deletes titles you have "watched", to make room for new recordings (unless you tell it differently)

- limited editing compared to other (apparently), but in practise, the EPG does most of the spade work (Title, Cropping & Thumbnail) for you, so you dont need to do nearly as much editing as other machines

+ can edit titles +Add/Remove Chapter markers +Rename +Divide* +Hide sections (Header/Adverts/Footer) +Edit thumbnail pic

+ again very flexible navigation from whole title down to frame advancing

+ Non-destructive Editing basically creates a playlist for the original title, hence it retains the original recording so you can watch either version, or Re-edit as often as you like

- if you 'Divide' a title, you cannot 'Merge' it again

Philips mention that it's unwise to divide off small sections, but they dont say why - reason is because of drive fragmentation. HD Recorders have to deal with Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge files and fragmentation could lead to irratic playback or even failure - because of this, i haven't used Divide function (I use Hide method) since the day i got it - prolly why it still runs silky smooth and silent

DVD RECORDER (+R)

Back in the dark ages. Philips released some of their earlier recorders with poorly mounted laser (came loose later, apparently) - some people (those that got bitten) will never forgive them for this & why should they? - despite HDRW720 using the same fundimental drive, i've never had any problems or even heard of any problems with HDRW720 DVDR + maybe they learned a lesson and just tightened up the laser :o) + only time will tell, unlike the Tosh 32 which seems to be suffering from even worse teething troubles, namely, a quick look through Avforum shows virtually every other post is about a Tosh 32 owner tryna find a disc that actually works on it (Branding, Format, Dye Colouring have all been discussed), hope they eventually find one that works & hope Tosh have sorted this out on the up and comming Tosh 34


+R vs -R - You can argue this till the cows come home, but basically, DVD white paper decided on linear recording (beginning to end like a tape) - crap idea but we're all stuck with that now, because that's just the way it is. -R offers better editing but less compatablilty with standard players (the white paper). Tosh seems to struggle to play back it's own recordings let alone any one elses. +R retained linear format for recording, hence is a pig to edit but higher compatability with other DVD players

- You cannot record direct to DVD (all recordings have to go via HDD) - not a big issue since any editing is best done on the HD & you can quickly dump it to DVD

- You cannot copy back from the 'integral' DVD > HDD - You can copy back from external DVD > HDD - weird city or what?

+ the 720 remembers where you watched upto on all DVDs (even when they're back on your shelf) via resume play

+ You can dump (copy at hi speed) titles to dvd

+ You can dump multiple Titles to DVD in one shot

+ You can choose which order they appear on the Disc + It dumps in the same order you select the titles

+ If you dump an edited version, it just dumps the edit (some people "guessed" it dumps the original, but it doesn't)

+ Can edit direct on DVD, but it's positively clumbsy (navigation wise) compared to editing on HD - so i dont bother

+ you can buy discs (+R) for less than 20p each. i've burned over 100 with very high success (re longevity + some of these are now over a year old & still play fine)

DVD MANAGER

+ keeps a library of what's on all your DVD's (upto 1000 Discs, or 10,000 Titles)

- Unlike the other menus, the Manager menu doesn't support Page scrolling (You have to scroll Title-by-Title) - I wouldn't like to do this with 10,000 Titles in the menu

+ you can throw away all those newspaper clippings & browse your collection on HDRW720

+ you can browse by Title, or by DVD, click on the one you want to watch & it tells you which Disc to slip in and plays it

+ It doesn't get better than that

+ i didn't even know it had this feature, so a great bonus

Connectivity

- No progressive scan on UK model

+ I-Link (camcorder connection)

+ RGB In/Out

+ S-Video & Component & Composite

+ well socketed for audio out

+ All external sockets are added as 'channels' (on channel rocker) - since HDRW720 records from 'a' channel at all times, it's tediously easy to record from external devices


Despite the negative press + I would've still bought this machine (knowing what i know), had I not already got one - However the thing that would stop me buying this machine again, is the lack of support from Philips UK - This machine has got bugs (I've mentioned) like any other, difference is, impressions from PhilipsUK (email responses) are that this machine wont be supported - So for all intent and purpose it's already obsolete (maybe not the case, but certainly the impression I have been given)

- I specified Philips'UK' for a reason - Only dealings I had with them have been unknowledgable, unhelpful. I dont think this typifies the company as a whole since A/ German representatives seem to 'bend over backward' to help customers B/ Philips wouldn't be around if it was typical of the company

Answers: Hdrw720 ( AVForums.com DVD Recorders, Recording and Media )
Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by JethroUK
Please post if you've discovered any positive news in the new V.3.0 update
I have upgraded to 3.0 and I recorded The Italian Job via Sky last Night.

In the HDD browser, under the still image and date there is now info about the film (director, actors, etc).

Don't know yet if that appears on all recordings or just films.


Joolze

joolze

Hdrw720

P.S.

I notice JamesL has not found a machine that has "PQ at M2 - good enough - for a 37" PW7 plasma"

So it's obviously not a problem with HDRW720 PQ - so you can ignore that comment

JethroUK

Hdrw720

I have a Philips DVDR725H. I agree with almost all of the HDRW720 review.

Previously I had two Philips machines which had failed after relatively short periods so I was wary of buying another Philips. I tried the Toshiba XS30 but was unhappy with it for a number of reasons. I did consider other machines but I chose the Philips because it was the only HDD/DVD Recorder which had the single feature which is, in my opinion, absolutely essential for a HD recorder - an EPG.

Given Philips history I am, of course, concerned about the longevity of their machines but to date, this machine has performed faultlessly.

robert.hunter

Hdrw720

Quote:
You've been bitten
How have I been bitten? My Philips DVD recorder lasted a good 30 months - which at ?1300 is longer than I would regard as a worthwhile lifespan for new technology - I only 'binned' it (after four weeks) because it lack the features and performance of other models. Even now I always give a full test to each and every Philips DVD recorder to assess whether the critical short-comings have been addressed. To date all Philips have managed is to fall further and further behind.... Panasonic, Pioneer, JVC, Samsung, Toshiba, Thompson, LG, Sony, Hitachi - there performance is all light-years ahead of the current batch of Philips DVD recorders. Sorry.

Rasczak

Hdrw720

New firmware update (V 3.0) now available on Philips site (1st spotted by 'jong' on D/Spy)

Have installed the new firmware - Cant tell any difference (there's no notes yet) except to say - you can no longer change channels in the guide - it has UNDONE the Timer/Home workaround I mentioned earlier (obviously dont install it, if you rely on this)

New Guideplus update only effects NTL users (of which i'm one) - This namely splits NTL users into local regions - trouble is, they've also deleted all NTL tuners except PACE RED-EYE - they obviously haven't spoke to NTL and chose to 'guess', otherwise they'd know that the PACE boxes are now obsolete (of which there's 2 models in service anyhow) & NTL are now fitting Samsung boxes (as per mine)

As a consequence I have to set up as "other service" to choose my Samsung tuner & reset alllllllllllllllll the channel numbers grrrrrrrrrrrr

2 updates & 2 backward steps for me

Please post if you've discovered any positive news in the new V.3.0 update

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasczak
I understand (from Phelings) that you too are a vocal Philips supporter on that forum...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasczak
Actually I don't base my info on anything Phelings writes/says...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasczak
Frankly though whether your Mr Philips yourself or not is utterly irrelevant to this thread/forum...
Thank you. Maybe next time you won't bring it up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasczak
And it's not subtle - you describe it as the "best" review of the HDRW720!
Subtle enough for some to miss the point that "best review" doesn't necessarily mean advocating a purchase. I used it in the sense of being comprehensive, and there is far more detail in Jethro's contribution than I have seen in other assessments.

musukebba

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesL

2) PQ at M2 wasn't good enough. Not for a 37" PW7 plasma.
Which machine are you currently using that is good enough to record at M2 on your 37" plasma?


Rasczak: I'm not Pro-Phillips, a Phillips Fanatic, Salesman - I'm a Phillips owner (there is a difference) and will give credit where it is due - I can't help it if a working Phillips machine rubs you up the wrong way & frankly i dont care - You've been bitten, and it doesn't suprise me that the very word Phillips leaves a bad taste in your mouth, but each time you tar everything they've ever done with the same brush, then it's 'you' that's exhibiting bias - My review was never intended to sell machines, just passing on information - Maybe you should just ignore this thread if it offends you, I'd like it to be more constructive

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Quote:
If you believe phelings's advice, of all people, from a single post
Actually I don't base my info on anything Phelings writes/says. He does, after all, get rather emotional over the most irrelevant points But a number of people have made the point now - and your defence of Jethro here given that you have first hand experience of his pro-Philips stance on Digital Spy is hardly suggestive of an objective stance. And it's not subtle - you describe it as the "best" review of the HDRW720! By this own admission Jethro doesn't have the kit or the experience to match the reviews of the likes of HCC or WVWE - both of which were somewhat more comprehensive and slightly less likely to be subject to a rather pro-Philips bias.

Frankly though whether your Mr Philips yourself or not is utterly irrelevant to this thread/forum - nothing changes the nature of Jethro's contribution on this forum as little more than a Philips salesman. As I say a simple search of his username reveals that. His "review" must always be read with that history in mind - with rather negates it's usefulness or worth.

Bottomline though - there are much better HDD/DVDR combis available from reliable producers - so why bother with second best?

Rasczak

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesL
1) Editting was very poor compared to the Panasonic and even the Sony GX500 I am now using.

2) PQ at M2 wasn't good enough. Not for a 37" PW7 plasma.

3) User-interface was appalling. You could argue I went from the best (?) UI to the worst and so my opinion is coloured. But nobody should have to put up with that!

4) As a DS regular I would also like to add that muskeba IS a Philips fan. He may be 'covert' in his praise here but that is because he probably knows his argument will be constructively dismissed.
1) Fair enough.

2) And the optical nightmare of a plasma screen is the best way to assess PQ, right?

3) I agree, the UI of the HDRW720 is a mess. I said the same thing months ago on DS.

4) Some substantiation would be useful to assess the credibility of that statement. DS thread references or something like that...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesL
Expectations here are significantly higher than DS.
Someone's missed the point. I said Jethro's piece was a comprehensive review with some objective points being made. Nothing to do with "praising" a machine...

Unfortunately, unless you read properly, these heightened expectations of AV Forums will not be demonstrated.

musukebba

Hdrw720

Have to agree with Rasczak. I originally got the HDRW725 as a DMRHS2 replacement. The first one had a slight lip-sync issue so I exchanged for another model which was worked. I had this one for several weeks but eventually took it back for a number of reasons:-

1) Editting was very poor compared to the Panasonic and even the Sony GX500 I am now using.

2) PQ at M2 wasn't good enough. Not for a 37" PW7 plasma.

3) User-interface was appalling. You could argue I went from the best (?) UI to the worst and so my opinion is coloured. But nobody should have to put up with that!

As a DS regular I would also like to add that muskeba IS a Philips fan. He may be 'covert' in his praise here but that is because he probably knows his argument will be constructively dismissed. Expectations here are significantly higher than DS.

JamesL

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasczak
I understand (from Phelings) that you too are a vocal Philips supporter on that forum
I see.

If you believe phelings's advice, of all people, from a single post, then your own objectivity is under serious question. You are well aware that he almost got deleted from these forums the other day, on a thread to which you were an antagonist, so with his general standard in mind I would much appreciate it if you stop the childish playground crap. I am NOT a supporter of Philips, being the owner of a DVDR880 which has been replaced once and repaired twice. Their customer support is abysmal and the only people who know what is going on are their service agents in Manchester. With the current debacle going on with the DVDR610/615, history is repeating itself and I have NEVER recommended a Philips unit to ANYONE. When my 880 finally bites the dust the replacement will probably be a MINUS format recorder, whichever basic unit fits the bill for archiving. I have other sources of recording: a Thomson DHD4000 and Nova-T DVB card and I edit on PC (Pioneer and NEC writers). When I write to DVD, I use MINUS format discs for compatiblity.

If you consider helping people get their ailing Philips machines repaired free of charge, based on my own experience, or advising them not to buy the HDRW720 because it's a badly thought-out machine, as the actions of a "vocal Philips supporter", then I suggest you take a look for yourself on Digital Spy, or else ask yourself whether taking the advice of the likes of phelings's 'tell-tale' behaviour is likely to do your own credibility any good. Someone in your position obviously hasn't the time to do that, so I would understand if you would consider the record set straight.

On Jethro's review of the HDRW720, 20 negative points and 45 positive points seems like a good beginning to me in the objectivity stakes. People can learn, you know. Objectivity starts with giving credit where it's due, no matter what your prejudices may be. After all, phelings is now editing on PC, mentioning the <plus> format where advantages are apparent, and "pleasantly surprised" by the quality of editing on his 880. Now I wonder who gave him some advice with that?

musukebba

Hdrw720

Quote:
that's a pretty comprehensive user review with some objective points being made
I might have agreed - but Jethro only serious contribution on this forum (and Digital Spy) is to promote Philips machines - you can do a search on his user name for that. I understand (from Phelings) that you too are a vocal Philips supporter on that forum Regardless Jethro's previous posts show a lack of understanding/knowledge about his own machine, let alone it relative to others - indeed he has been caught out several times giving duff info (e.g.) to Toshiba users as well as trolling numerous threads. If people are seriously considering a Philips machine then I strongly recommend they do a search both of the forum and the internet. Likewise before following Jethro's advice I would do a search of the forum - be very wary of a user who only ever promotes a single brand....

Rasczak

Hdrw720

...but ultimately there is much better out there - so why buy a second rate performer?

Rasczak

Hdrw720

C'mon Rasczak - that's a pretty comprehensive user review with some objective points being made. If one forgives the occasional lapses into the vernacular, I haven't seen a better one, to be honest, of the HDRW720...

musukebba

Hdrw720

Thank you for this useful 'extended use' report on the machine. Just the sort of thing that we all need. A pity some people don't understand the purpose of such reviews and the usefulness they have for others.

Thanks for the effort.

satbunny

Hdrw720

It can only record from one channel at any one time - so leave it tuned to your favourite

I doubt it will have the latest update installed & you should consider whether you really want it, namely:

- it has no method of changing channels via the guide (which i did use from time to time - namely when the digibox remote was more than an arms-length away)

+ it has increased FF/RW speed (i tend to use 'skip' anyhow - so i've still not even used this feature)

hector

Hdrw720

It can only record from one channel at any one time - so leave it tuned to your favourite

I doubt it will have the latest update installed & you should consider whether you really want it, namely:

- it has no method of changing channels via the guide (which i did use from time to time - namely when the digibox remote was more than an arms-length away)

+ it has increased FF/RW speed (i tend to use 'skip' anyhow - so i've still not even used this feature)

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Hi Jethro,

Thanks for an interesting read - quite a fair review of the HDRW720 in my opinion (again I should say quite limited as I don't have a great deal to compare it with, before someone jumps down my throat too).

It definitely has bugs and I was rather hoping that, having sent a few e-mails to Philips and seeing the 3.0 firmware has just been released, they would have been fixed.

I was amazed that not only have they not fixed the problem with changing channels via the guide, they have made sure the 'Timer' workaround doesn't work either now What are they smoking at Philips HQ?

This and the fact that there doesn't seem to be anything much changed in 3.0 has made me decide to stick with my current firmware - thanks Jethro.

Can you tell me whether its fixed the recording problem? Currently I can't just press record and have it save everything from that point onward - it selects the whole programme from the beginning instead (which when you change channels with the NTL remote rather than via the guide, can mean the whole of the buffer since you turned it on). If you press and hold record, it does start recording from that point but only for 30 minutes and you can't extend it.

Also occasionally mine gives the recordings the wrong name - it records ok but gives it the name of something that was on another channel at the same time!

If anyone else spots other changes in 3.0 can they please post them here.

Cheers,
Mark

woffle

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by woffle
Can you tell me whether its fixed the recording problem? Currently I can't just press record and have it save everything from that point onward - it selects the whole programme from the beginning instead (which when you change channels with the NTL remote rather than via the guide, can mean the whole of the buffer since you turned it on). If you press and hold record, it does start recording from that point but only for 30 minutes and you can't extend it.
If you then press the record button repeatedly it will increment the recording time by 30 minutes for each press of the button, at least it does on mine. This has come in invaluable when I lose the EPG, see my post from yesterday as this is then the only method available for 'timed' recording until I do a hard reset

Cheers,
Steve

sjrooney

Hdrw720

There hasn't been much improvement in v3.0 software (i read that someone actually went back to the old v2.6 version) - especially when you there are at least 3 big fixes they could have sorted in an instance

1/ The EPG 'OK' button (like you mentioned)
2/ increased the amount of programming slots (to 30 as the blurb describes it)
3/ It could easily be set to monitor the channel ID signal, so it knows which channel the digibox is switch to, even if you change it with the digibox remote

These would have to be the main fixes for me

Shall we lobby Philips until they fix it

JethroUK

Hdrw720

After mentioning Trading Standards to them, I have finally heard from Philips. They say that Favourite Show Selection is not and will not ever be available and any occurences of it on their website will be removed shortly.

The 30 event timer is also extremely badly worded. It should be 30 day timer, with 12 events.

Their actual reply is -

'Thank you for your previous e-mails.

Further to your previous queries we can advice that the 30 Day Event Timer is a feature on this unit but is worded as 12 Event 30 Day Event Timer.

The Favourite Show selection, detailed on the web is not a feature on the unit. These will be amended very shortly.'

I am very disappointed but I am still happy with my purchase as 'it' has never let me down - only Philips has done that!


Joolze

joolze

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by joolze
They say that Favourite Show Selection is not and will not ever be available and any occurences of it on their website will be removed shortly.
I wouldn't hold your breathe - It's not the first product they've incorrectly described on their website (added features it hasn't got/never will have) and despite no less than 7 emails from me over 12 months, they never ever removed it from the website. And they will definately not change the 720 blurb.

I hope they dont in some ways (and they wont) - if it's still up when the new dual/layer, hdmi model emerges - i'm gonna send it back under trades description - how do you think i'll get on

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjrooney
If you then press the record button repeatedly it will increment the recording time by 30 minutes for each press of the button, at least it does on mine. This has come in invaluable when I lose the EPG, see my post from yesterday as this is then the only method available for 'timed' recording until I do a hard reset

Cheers,
Steve
Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, when I press record for the second time, rather than just adding on an extra 30 minutes recording time it also decides to include the whole program (i.e. the bit before I pressed and held record for the first time, which I've already seen and therefore don't want). At least it does on mine anyway. There appears to be no way of adding extra time for a 'I want to record from this moment onwards' recording.

woffle

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by woffle
There appears to be no way of adding extra time for a 'I want to record from this moment onwards' recording.
That is exactly what I get by repeatedly pressing the button so I guess that it is down to different button pressing techniques or a firmware difference. I've upgraded to the 3.0 version but I'm sure it worked the same on 2.6

Cheers,
Steve

sjrooney

Hdrw720

have you tried just pressing record twice (without holding it down on the first press)

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Can somebody kindly clarify the circumstances in which this timer adjustment can be effected? I want to try it on my DVDR725H.

TIA

robert.hunter

Hdrw720

Jethro,

I have tried various techniques, it's just not possible to add more time to a recording - you basically have to cancel it and restart the recording to make it work...

BTW, found a major bug in CF3.0.

If I am tuned to a very bad quality channel through the RF tuner, it will freeze the unit and cause it to restart. When it restarts, of course it is still tuned to the very same channel, so it hangs again... And so forth, and so on.

Took me a few master resets to figure out the problem (my wife wanted to kill me - the reset caused all her programs to be wiped). To get it to unfreeze you have to disconnect the RF cable. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to delete channels from the list, so there's no way to remove this issue without completely disconnecting the RF input. The issue only happens for a single channel on my system (I was sure that my harddrive had crashed because of the effect).

Going back to CF2.6 (no small feat in itself) has resolved the issue for now.

oferlaor

Hdrw720


How do you go back a firmware version? Please direct me to a topic if one already exits.

Thanks,

What Happend

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by What Happend

How do you go back a firmware version? Please direct me to a topic if one already exits.

Thanks,
never done it - but i should imagine:

master reset (check the manual)
install 2.6 (although, i dont think v2.6 did much for the machine either )



v3.0 hasn't had any effect on the timer (to my knowledge) - but it does disable a 'timer' button workaround - so what's that? :

whilst you're in the guide - you 'should' be able to press 'OK' to switch channels & exit - but it doesn't work if you've entered the guide via the obvious choice, 'the "guide" button' - however, if you enter the guide via the less obvious, 'timer' button - then the 'OK' button works fine - or did do until v3.0

if you can follow that - run it by me again


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JethroUK

Hdrw720

Just checked with The Simpsons and the HDD displays all the info that is shown for the program within Guideplus.


Joolze

joolze

Hdrw720

jethroUK ....thanks for that,interesting read

ibrox50

Hdrw720

Please also note that Upgrade with CF 3.0 is also erasing all data regarding disc manager, for me it means 40 DVDs to reenter.

I did not see yet any other improvment than the one you described regarding HDD display.
I also sent an E-mail to Philips asking why they make the software available without providing at the same time what are the improvments.

Best regards from France

PARISIEN

Hdrw720

To be more precise on my last comment, it is not the upgrade software that clears all disc manager data, but the re-install step suggested in the upgrade procedure ( HDD data are not erased).

Sorry about that.

PARISIEN

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert.hunter
I did consider other machines but I chose the Philips because it was the only HDD/DVD Recorder which had the single feature which is, in my opinion, absolutely essential for a HD recorder - an EPG.
I totally agree so is it fact that the only HDD recorders with EPG are the Phillips offerings and if so why?

Is there another way, without SKY (don't want) or Freeview (can't get) of having an EPG service?

Finally apart from the bigger HDD does the 725 have any significant advantage over the 720?

hector

Hdrw720

[quote=hector]I totally agree so is it fact that the only HDD recorders with EPG are the Phillips offerings --?

QUOTE]
Should have said that it's so important to me that i will be buying one Today unless someone can tell me there is a better alternative!
So a quick response would be gratefully recieved.

hector

Hdrw720

Panasonic new flagship model has EPG, but it costs a grand

Only the HD size seperates the 720 & 725

PARISIEN:

the new upgrade doesn't wipe out disc manager i'm glad to say (i have well over 150 titles in it) - you must have had some specific installation problems

JethroUK

Hdrw720

JethroUK,

I had no problem with the software installation but as I said it is the HDRW720 re-initialisation suggested in the upgrade procedure that erased all my disc manager data. Did you re-initialize after your upgrade ? if not, do not try, otherwise goodbye to your 150 titles.

I have another question on which your experience may help me.

TNT (free terrestrial digital TV) is starting this month in France and I am having difficulties with additional plugging required.
My HDRW720 is already linked to a canalsatellite decoder ( handled with G-link) on Ext2 and to TV on Ext 1
Do you have any suggestion about how I should link the TNT receiver I just bought in order to have the new TNT channels appear in HDRW720 guideplus channels and be able to use it also with G-link together with the canalsatellite decoder.

You may have had a similar problem to solve in UK and I would enjoy your help very much.

Best regards.

PARISIEN

Hdrw720

i didn't reset my machine - but maybe i'm not getting full benefit of the upgrade - anyone tried playing jpegs since the new software?

the g-link should operate both boxes if it can see both - i dont see a problem with the guide either - but you only have 2 scarts - i might be inclined to put a box on each scart and plug TV via S-video connection (or maybe try component) - i understand there's not much difference between S-Video and RGB - bearing in mind that only one box would be RGB anyhow

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Thanks for your quick response - 725 ordered.

hector

Hdrw720

Quote:
Thanks for your quick response - 725 ordered
Oh dear! Unfortunately if your planning to get a HDRW725 you will find that, as a PVR, if fails to conduct 'Red Dot' removal (as well as other interactive programming). With this this becoming ever more frequent on all channels (inlcuding the BBC!) this should be a substantial issue for anyone considering buying an archival machine!

This issue has been well discussed on the forum - as have the machines you should look at: Sky+, lossless HDD recorders, Sony GXD500 or the new Telewest recorder. Thus I don't feel particularly 'bad' about you getting misled on this point.

I'd be interested to know what EPG you think the "Panasonic flagship model" has Jethro!

Rasczak

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasczak
Oh dear! Unfortunately if your planning to get a HDRW725 you will find that, as a PVR, if fails to conduct 'Red Dot' removal (as well as other interactive programming). With this this becoming ever more frequent on all channels (inlcuding the BBC!) this should be a substantial issue for anyone considering buying an archival machine!
Yeah i forgot that, of course i assumed most people would be happy to capture what-they-see-on-their-TV - ohhhhhhhhhh the deceit, how do i ever get to sleep at night - also forgot to mention the 725 doesn't have ejector seat or built-in microwave (essential for those TV dinner movies or guests that over stay their welcome) - alas (if only to appease my conscience) this equally applies to Panasonics, Pioneers & Toshibas, which i of course i'll expect Rasczak to mention this diffieciency of red-dot removal on any/all reviews he does

Just to reiterate - I'm not recommending any of the Philips machines - i just giving an owners eye-view of it - something the machines wont get here else wise

I should've really said the 'Pioneer' flagship has EPG (which incidently uses the same Guide+ EPG as Philips) - but since i know Jack about it, i was only really saying Philips are not the only ones includi 3890 ng an EPG, and at ?1000 he showed as much interest as i did

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Quote:
Yeah i forgot that, of course i assumed most people would be happy to capture what-they-see-on-their-TV....alas (if only to appease my conscience) this equally applies to Panasonics, Pioneers & Toshibas, which i of course i'll expect Rasczak to mention this diffieciency of red-dot removal on any/all reviews he does
But of course the Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer etc etc are not PVRs - and they are not pretending to be PVRs - which is what the Philips is trying to be. The ideal combination is to combine a PVR with a DVD recorder. Trying to get a Philips to do both means you get a sub-standard result on both. Sorry!

Rasczak

Hdrw720

from french forum, improvments of CF3.0 for hdrw720:


*************************************************
new features

EPG program information available (when broadcasted) within Guide or Browser
The following Harddisc navigation speeds were added: 64x, 128x and 256x
Exit CAM mode also via tuner button possible
Playback of dual layer DVD+R discs possible

bugs solved
Sometimes many empty titles in Browser (Harddisc) after timer recording.
Sometimes no sound on timer recording from external input.
************************************************

hope it will help you.

PARISIEN

Hdrw720

nice one

JethroUK

Hdrw720

ok, so the good news is ive got my 720 working again!!!

I was lucky enough to get a spare dvd drive from a person in germany - (from their faulty 720 i think), ive just installed it and my 720 back working again!!!huragh!!!

If anyone else is having trouble with their drives another alternative that i was looking at was buying a second hand dvdr 610 or 615 off ebay, they use the same philips vad8041 drive and would be good for donation! - 610's were going for less than ?25 the other week...just thought id let enyone interested in resurecting their poor 720's!!!

nealjane

Hdrw720

Ive got a problems with my HDRW720, ive had the player for 16 months now and have been very pleased with it (so the guarantee is up)

I'm trying to work out what the problem is with my player and wondered whether anyone else has had the same issues/problem -

whils playing a dvd the machine crashed and all the red lights now flash on/off. (ive even tried a full reset) its almost like theres an interuption in the power supply because channel flickers on and off in sync with the 720 lights.

I havent been able to use it since, or get my dvd out.... has anyone else had this problem - any ideas what it may be? - its just that its going to be down to me to prove that this machine has an inherent faulty.

nealjane

Hdrw720

Moderator: If that last post reads a bit out of place, it's because I've moved and merged it from somewhere else.

(Please don't cross-post, thanks).

LV426

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by nealjane
sorry jethrouk - i know you're a philips fan!!
not at all - like you, I like the 6 hour buffer (I can't live without it now) and Guide+, anything else is just a good quality VCR which I'll never go back to

I looked at the 7260 myself - Miller Bros have it mega cheap

JethroUK

Hdrw720

major fault on my hdrw720

ok watching a dvd last night suddenly machine switches off and then flashing red lights.

powered off and on - and still does the same - cant get dvd out and wont do a hard reset either -

any ideas? is it totally broke?

its out of its 1 year warranty (1.5 years old) and ive been told itll cost me ?126-00 by service care.

thinking whether its worth paying yhat much when it cost me 200 new.

really thinking of NOT byuing another philips - but i REALLy like the time shift buffer that always buffers!!!- what to do

anyone got any good suggestions or experience of this??

nealjane

Hdrw720

Have you tried holding down a numbered ("5") keys on the remote - these are for repairing a DVD but might be worth a try

JethroUK

Hdrw720

No good, still flashing lights - thanks anyway jethrouk.

Ive taken it up with ebuyer under 'sale of goods act', but doesn't look like I'll get very far (they haven't responded to my email since thursday)....

was thinking of getting the new 7260 cos i want the buffer......but ive now got my eye on a new JVC model which i believe has the same type of buffer & hopefully will be a bit more reliable!

sorry jethrouk - i know you're a philips fan!!

nealjane

Hdrw720

new problem with my 720...
my scheduled recordings from my humax freeview box havent been working - the philips box hasnt been switching the channel (not even been trying to!!) it is set up correctly, because ive reset it since it did the same thing last week.
-I ended up having to reset the box and download the quide as well as the freeview box updates before it worked again.

but today its done exactlly the same thing again while trying to record off film4!!

It works with the analogue channels but for some reason wont make the humax turn over (ive noticed it also doesnt indicate the programme being recoded on the hdrw screen when it should do.)

Anyone got any ideas?? I think its got something to do with the guideplus downloads a it worked for a couple of days after redoing the setup last week??

Should i try a full reset do you think?? (do i switch it off for min and then hold down power and switch back on???)

nealjane

Hdrw720

Heres a problem which seems to have cropped up over the past week with my 720-

recordings dont start at the correct time even though theyre highlighted for recording in the guide.
I then check the channel setup info in the guideplus editor section and it keeps changing the input channel for bbc1 and bbc2 from analogue to Av input1 (AV input 2 is my sky box) - its changing of its own accord every day!!! - its driving me insane!! - anyone got any ideas? - HELP!!!

nealjane

Hdrw720

has anyone noticed the new 'watch' green button in the guideplus? It doesnt seem to do anything though???

nealjane

Hdrw720

The GuidePlus site says;

"Schedule any show for viewing (not available in some models)."

So I guess it's like a Skybox Autoview feature... Although my new Sony rdr-hx525 doesn't (yet?) show the 'watch' option.

dieselglider

Hdrw720

Hi

Quote:
ve owned a Philips DVDR 725H since the start of October 2005 but it has been working and in my possession for only about four weeks of this period. I sent it back at the start of November after a DVD (new, played flawlessly on five year old Sony player) jammed inside the machine and would not eject.
It has never been any different with the Philip's machines, while I am sure there are many that have no problems, too many do, and it has been like this since the first Philips DVD recorder appeared.

Regards

Phil

PhilipL

Hdrw720

Some of the 'No disc' or 'Blocked' faults on HDRW72x units are related to an IC chip becoming disconnected after a certain number of disc tray movements, and not related to the early-models' OPU assembly degradation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by abbenay
So: is there a way of removing the drive from the case so that I can get the disk out myself?
Doing this will invalidate your warranty.

[Mod Comment: Competing Forum link removed as per the rules: end Mod Comment]

1. Switch off the unit at the wall plug.
2. On the front panel, hold in the <RECORD> and <EJECT> buttons at the same time, and keeping them held, switch on the power at the wall again. Keep holding the buttons until the disc tray opens.


Otherwise, there's a mechanical procedure for manual opening of the tray on the HDRW72x, DVDR98x, 7x and 61x:

'There should be a small slot on the lower side of the unit near the front and center of the disc assembly. By sliding a small plastic numb from one side to the other unlocks the door so it can maually be opened the rest of the way. You will need a strong, thin object to slide that release nub. A small knife or nail would work. Of course you should follow all safety precaution such as removing power and not damaging anything else.'

However, if you have to send it back to Philips, and have the previous authorisation numbers, then try the procedure [Mod Comment: Link Removed: End Mod Comment]

musukebba

Hdrw720

My last problem was as stated above an electronics fault and I was promptly sent a replacement machine so I was reasonably happy with the service given.

I really like the machine and the EPG which is such a vital part of the package. I was dissapointed therefore when a new problem arose. I came into the room with the machine in it and found it was flashing. That is the red lights around the Disk tray and RHS control buttons were flashing on and off for no apparent reason.
Interrogation of kids revealed that one had played a DVD sometime earlier with no probl 3890 em (but had left it in machine). No controls work at all. I can't eject the DVD and switching on and off has no effect. There is no signal getting to television via the machine so for the first time in ages, I'm back to using the TV remote. I've tried re-setting (by holding down the standby button) but again it has no effect. I'm left with flashing red lights and a dead machine. Great over Christmas/New Year!
Anyone got any ideas as to fault and or cure?

hector

Hdrw720

Greetings all. First post in this forum so please excuse newby-isms if any appear.

I've owned a Philips DVDR 725H since the start of October 2005 but it has been working and in my possession for only about four weeks of this period. I sent it back at the start of November after a DVD (new, played flawlessly on five year old Sony player) jammed inside the machine and would not eject.

A saga then followed, as Philips lost the machine for two months, denied they had it blah blah blah...finally got the darn thing back last week.

Hey presto - a new DVD has just jammed again.

I'm a bit wary of posting it back to Philips again for reasons that should be obvious given the above.

So: is there a way of removing the drive from the case so that I can get the disk out myself? In my experience of servicing CD drives, the case is easy to open and the retaining screws straightforward to remove - the hard part is usually getting the drive tray out through the casework so that the whole drive can be gotten out.

Any other suggestions, by the way?

Cheers!

Abbenay

PhilipL

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickname
Anybody knowing which DVD-burner is inside, and if it's possible to change the HD to maybe 160Gb ??

/Nickname
dunno about the dvdr but the HD is a Seagate drive and very easy to access by unscrewing the front panel

I been bursting to upgrade mine to Seagate 200-300 gig (peanuts at the moment) but chickened out so far
do you fancy volunteering to be the first?

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by JethroUK
Usually there is a tiny tray release hole somewhere - maybe round the back of the tray?

Hmmm - yes, normally I would say that a "standard" dvd-burner has a disc-eject hole ( cd/dvd whatever ), but in this case it must be hidden somewhere, because I cant find it
it _might_ be under the front, but then you have to get that off.

I have btw got an answer from Philips. They say, that if the answers from their FAQ doesn't help, the unit is defective and must be returned - great troublefinding

Anyway, not being at home right now, I will try to look into it over the weekend - hopefully finding the home to release the disc. I think it's a bug in the firmware ( CF 3.0 ), but......

Btw. Anybody knowing which DVD-burner is inside, and if it's possible to change the HD to maybe 160Gb ??

/Nickname

nickname

Hdrw720

Usually there is a tiny tray release hole somewhere - maybe round the back of the tray?

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by hector
Tried that - no effect, the same problem persists.
Hmmm - seems that I have the same problem on a 720 - with a DVD in tray :-(
Tray dosn't open, and I have tried to "factory reset" but no luck.
I tried to play a DVD-R which seems to upset the box - making it reset.
Every time I turn the power on ( from standby ), it takes forever - and then it resets/power off ( get into standby ).
I have tried the tips from the Philips FAQ, but no luck, and also the factory reset. CF is 3.0

It seems the box reads the DVD in tray on poweron, and for some reason it decide to power off :-(

I have mailed Philips and is now waiting for answer... :-(

nickname

Hdrw720

Tried that - no effect, the same problem persists.

hector

Hdrw720

Unfortunately this particular malfunction is due to an electronics failure and needs a Philips repair. Don't waste any more time and get on to them to fix it, seeing as it's still under warranty.

musukebba

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by hector
Tried holding the stop button down - makes no difference - same result. There is no disk in the tray - well i'm 99% certain there isn't. Bit of a b*g*er nuisance as it is!
Did you try to Reset to Factory defaults feature? This wil lose your guide info and setup information.

Disconnect AC
press and hold Standby-on while reconnecting AC
release Standby-on when the features appears on the display

What Happend

Hdrw720

Tried holding the stop button down - makes no difference - same result. There is no disk in the tray - well i'm 99% certain there isn't. Bit of a b*g*er nuisance as it is!

hector

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by hector
I can't open the disk tray. When I try, a message BLOCKED comes on display and the whole machine seems to loock
I have never seen this behavior. You can also try to press and hold the stop button on the remote for 5 sec when the HDRW is in DVD playing mode. This is another way to eject a DVD on this model. I don't expect this method to really change anything though.

What is on this disc? Is it a DVD+RW, DVD+R? There are some key strokes in the manual to emergency erase a DVD+RW that might fix the disc.

What Happend

Hdrw720

Had my 725 a few weeks and been learning its complex workings. very happy with it and the EPG is exactly what I wanted.
A problem has arisen. I can't open the disk tray. When I try, a message BLOCKED comes on display and the whole machine seems to loock - I have to unplug to sort it out. It first happened when I tried to open the tray while recording to the HDD.I've tried resetting from scratch and simply leaving it unpugged overnight but nothing changes - as soon as the eject button is pressed the BLOCKED message appears
Any ideas on a solution?

hector

Hdrw720

The answer to your prayers (and mine to less degree) would be my Philips fix no 3

"..3/ It could easily be set to monitor the channel ID signal, so it knows which channel the digibox is switch to, even if you change it with the digibox remote.."

This would fix lots problem in one hit (external tuners would have exactly the same functionality as internal tuner), including divide/mark & 'title' up the buffer, then you wouldn't have that problem - it's such a simple fix that would have a massive impact on functionality that i can't see why they haven't addressed it

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by JethroUK
you can add recording time pressing the record button - but your problem seems to be it recording the whole buffer - as a workaround you could switch channels (and back) to add a start marker.
Good point and a reasonable work around, but it doesn't change the fact that we've had two firmware updates so far and they haven't sorted out any of the minor problems with the unit - on the contrary they appear to have done away with useful workarounds, added features no-one particularly asked for (64x ff and rw) and made the thing more unreliable. Personally I've stuck to 2.3 and won't be changing unless they do something useful.

Shame really, as otherwise I'm really happy with it.

woffle

Hdrw720

For the benefit of any NTL users - the latest Guide+ update has put the std Pace (non-red eye) back on the map (removed on the previous update) - this also works with the Samsung box (a la moi )

JethroUK

Hdrw720

you can't downgrade from 3.0 to 2.6 (it will give you an "up to date" message).

There's a workaround for that (it's in the FAQ of the dvdplusrw.org website).

If you need the workaround, send me a private message. It's dangerous (if the firmware update fails, your unit is toast), so I prefer not to put it out on the open forum.

oferlaor

Hdrw720

Quote:
Originally Posted by oferlaor
Jethro,

I have tried various techniques, it's just not possible to add more time to a recording - you basically have to cancel it and restart the recording to make it work....
you can add recording time pressing the record button - but your problem seems to be it recording the whole buffer - as a workaround you could switch channels (and back) to add a start marker

Quote:
Originally Posted by oferlaor
..... I don't see a way to delete channels from the list, so there's no way to remove this issue without completely disconnecting the RF input. The issue only happens for a single channel on my system (I was sure that my harddrive had crashed because of the effect)........
you can disable the channels and/or reroute them from r/f to digibox - have you tried this? - i haven't heard of this problem but i notice there's a guide+ update on the way with regard to BBC1 & 2 - dunno whether this will affect/cure you


.

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Hi Jethro;

Have you (or has anyone else) tried upgrading the HDRW720 yet?

From the look of the Philips website, the whole box is history to them; and we can't really expect any further firmware upgrades; when I do a search for products that are DVD recorders with hard disks on the Philips site, three pop up, and the HDRW720 isn't any of 'em. So, if I want a bigger hard disk, guess I'm going to have to do it myself.

BUT!! (And it's a big but....) I seem to reca 5A8 ll reading somewhere that the hard disk had to be formatted in some special way. So you couldn't just throw it a FAT32, or NTFS format and expect it to work. I can't remember what it was; does anyone else?


Tim

pike_by_nature

Hdrw720

I dont know the format - but i do know it's a std seagate drive

there is an easy way to find out which format it is:

pull it out of the 720
plug it in your pc
see what properties are


you first

just a guess - but since it has firewire it could well be std pc format - albeit i understand it uses a bigger block size

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Back again and the HDRW720 still appears to be working fine (though it would have been nice if Philips had ironed out those little remaining bugs, but hey ho).

Recently though I've noticed that a few of the channels on the Guideplus aren't being updated. While the major channels (BBC,ITV,Sky1 etc.) are still OK quite a few of the minor ones (Sci-fi for instance) are now totally blank - they don't even have today's programmes any more.

Is this just me? Or is this the first stages of the death of Guideplus that some have predicted? I hope not as I still use it all the time and its the main reason I bought the thing (can't get sky+ and am stuck with NTL).

Can any other owners (JethroUK?) confirm or deny this?

Cheers.

woffle

Hdrw720

there's only supose to be a 2 day listing for the minor channels (Sci-Fi included) - i've noticed that in the last week we dont even seem to be getting that - even reset the epg (made no difference b.t.w.)

wouldn't worry about it - minor channels have always been a bit patchy but you should get full 7 day listing on all the major channels

the future of Gemstar looks good - they have recently signed a contract with Radio Times website - i've often wondered why 100's of people bother typing out the same listings for different EPGs instead of contracting the work out to someone who's already doing it better - the Radio Times website keeps a brillaint 48 day listing of all channels - full blurb (like the papers) & superb search facility - i think we can look forward to good things being thrust up our tele-hole

JethroUK

Hdrw720

Thanks Jethro - glad its not just me then.

I have to admit I feared the worst and that this was the beginning of the end for Guideplus in the UK, but thats good news about the Gemstar deal - lets hope it improves things. I agree the Radio Times is excellent - especially as its free - I've been using it for a while now.

woffle

Hdrw720

I've seen your threads on flashing the 720 back to 2.6

ive just recently bought mine for ?200 off ebayer (couldnt wait for the 7300!)

Came with v3.2 firmware and believe that I would be better off with v2.6 (due to the timer workaround on the guide - change channels)

Ive tried to get the firmware v2.6 off web - but cant get it anywhere - DOES ANYONE HAVE IT?? (if so, any chance of a copy emailed to me?)

nealjane

Hdrw720

i dont think it's worth flashing back for the timer button work around - someone suggested one that's dead easy and works on any version:

Press Red (mark it for record and it will switch channels & close the guide)
Press Red (open the buffer)
Press Red (un-mark it)

JethroUK

Hdrw720

thanks for the quick reply - that doesnt sound too bad an alternative - thanks.

Sounds a bit similar to the method which I have been using so far - using guide to start recording current programme on channel I want - and then cancelling record.

I'll try your alternative as it sounds a bit simpler

I have just one other item ive noticed -

When I change channel using the record method on my 720 to control sky box. It then comes up with the name of the prog in the 720 dispaly and on screen, but then when that prog finished and another starts, the original prog name still appears (as if it doesnt use the guide to update the channel) - is this supposed to happen?

nealjane

Hdrw720

I'd say your method and his are the same - you just phrase it differently

As for the second thing, I'm not sure if it is supposed to happen but I've found it often (if not always) does it on mine.

woffle

Hdrw720

It's a slightly diffferent method, I tried it last night and its a bit easyer as it cancels the record and not just stops it (which then means you need to delete it off the HD)

nealjane

Hdrw720

A few of the channels have re-appeared but others (ABC1 for instance) are still AWOL.

Found some info about the RadioTimes deal and I see it took place in April. They certainly seem to be taking their time implementing any changes and IMO they can't come too soon. I don't seem to get descriptions with most of the programs on the guide - just the titles.

Any idea when we might see something?

woffle

Hdrw720

when I change the channel using guideplus on my sky digital box (using the record and cancel method above) it indicates the prog name on the 720 bar - when the prog finishes it doesnt update to indicate the next scheduled programme.

I'm on firmware v3.2 and wondered whether anyone else might have
anyexperience on whether this was also the case with the earlier 2.6 firmware version? (before they stopped the timer method of prog changeing)

Its just that it would make it soooo much simpler to have the show names and programmes split on the buffer if this was the case on the earlier firmware and would give me another reason to want to downgrade the firmware.

nealjane

Hdrw720

that's a pain - the guide only seems to know what's on the internal tuner - it doesn't seem to have a clue what channel the external tuners on - i put that as one of my 3 things to fix on the 720 - all it would have to do is recognise the channel signal (all channels send one) and look to see whats on that channel now - not rocket science but they never fixed it

JethroUK

Hdrw720

okay , so over the past few weeks ive been getting used to my 720, I come home tonight and a new problem has arisen -

up till last night anything I programmed to record using the guideplus system meant that it was automatically titled when saved to the harddisk even off my sky digibox (incl prog descriptions etc)

today, i come home from work and its not doing it anymore!!!
When you press red button to record you prg in guideplus and then go to the recording schedule it doesnt indicate the prog title, it shows the time period for start-stop and now also the channel icon - which is completely usless as I cant tell what everything is!!!!

Anyone got any ideas??

Neal

nealjane

Hdrw720

I had that for a couple of weeks but mines OK now (NTL Langley) - I'm not sure exactly what causes it but i think it must be something to do with EPG update (they recently added some new channels) - easiest way to correct it is to go through your recordings and unselect them and reselect them check back in the menu and see if it's put it right - you should be OK now

JethroUK

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