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Updated: 2008-09-07 12:34:30 (75)
GX280 Processor Upgrade

Previous I had posted under the subject "GX280 Upgrades" in June.  In that post, I referenced I did not know which processor was in my system: 520 or 520J.  I now know the processor in my GX280 is in fact the 520.  I would like to upgrade to either a Pentium 4 3.6 or 3.8GHz processor.  But I require a little help from the community experts.  Which processor should I purchase?  I know from the Product Details the GX280 initially supported P4 520, 530, 540, 550, 560, and 570.  (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/optix_gx280?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&~tab=specstab#tabtop)  Has the subsequent BIOS revisions added support for the 5xxJ, 5x1, or 6xx series?  Also, I find it interesting the Dell site listing the 570 as a processor option, when the Intel site does not list this processor.  Intel only references the 570J and 571. (http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm)
 
I see on the downloads for the GX280, BIOS A06 adds support for 64Bit OS and newer processors.  What exactly does this mean?  Currently, my BIOS is A05.  I will update to A06 today.  Currently, I believe the following are my upgrade options:
  • P4 560 90nm, LGA775, 1MB L2 Cache, 3.6GHZ, 800MHz FSB, Hyper-Threading
  • P4 560J (The only difference I can see between the non-J and the J versions is the 5xxJ processors have support for Execute Disable Bit functionality.  What is this?)
  • P4 561 (The 5x1 versions seem to be identical to the 5xxJ processors except for the additon of 64Bit support.)
  • P4 570J 3.80GHz
  • P4 571
  • P4 660 2MB L2 Cache, 3.6GHz, Enhanced SpeedStep Technology
  • P4 670 3.80GHz

Any advise would be greatly, appreciated.

Also, I apologize for not posting in a long while.  For those wondering how the previous upgrades went, everything went off without a hitch.  Meaning I did not have to upgrade the PSU to perform those updates.  And FYI, I just ordered a new PSU for this update.

 


Answers: GX280 Processor Upgrade ( DELL OptiPlex Upgrade Hardware (R) )
GX280 Processor Upgrade

Any advice?? I would like to purchase an upgrade this weekend.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Does anyone have an advice as to which processor I can put in a GX280.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Dell only offered the 500-series in that system (and the Celeron 300-series with 345 as max), with the 570 being the max. So other processors you can try at your own risk.
Dev Mgr

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the post, but any reference to Celeron processors is irrevalent to the discussion.  Also the Dell link references the processors available when a GX280 was purchased brand new.  I comment it is interesting Dell list a 570, but Intel does not make mention of a 570 existing; only a 571.

"...try at your own risk."  I do not wish to do so, thus my post.  I have BIOS A06 and I know there are many knowledgeable Dell fanatics trolling this forum.  My contention is at least one, (I'm guessing SpeedStep or one of the Dell-Guys) knows what processor I can put in my small mid-tower.

With the 520, 530, 540, 550, 560, and supposedly the 570 (BIOS rev A00) being the P4 processors supported at launch, what processors are now supported by the GX280?

  • BIOS rev A03
    • Change 9. Added support for new Pentium 4 processors.
  • BIOS rev A04
    • Change 1. Increased SMBIOS Max CPU Speed to support new Pentium 4 processors.
    • Change 15. Added support for new Pentium 4 processors.
  • BIOS rev A05
    • Change 5. Add support for newer processors.
  • BIOS rev A06
    • Change 11. Add support for newer CPUs.

 


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

The newer processors don't necessarily mean newer 'numbers'. Intel often comes with a newer revision, that gives better yields, uses less power, fixes some issue and things like that. They would retain the same number, but have a different rev.
Dev Mgr

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Ah, ok.  So, my inquiry should be:  Has anyone successfully installed a 5xxJ, 5x1, or 6xx Pentium 4 processor in a SMT GX280?

Thanks for the response.


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Unlike the GX1 thats been out for a Million years the GX280 is relatively new and already discontinued. So there will be very litte experience with "Newer" processors. Seing as its already a Pentium4 class system at least 2.0ghz in general I dont see why other than bragging rights one would need a newer processor.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the comment SpeedStep.  Not going for any bragging rights.  I use the GX280 as my gaming system.  The processor is the last item to upgrade to improve gaming performance.  I've got a 40GB SATA drvie for OS (came w/ system) and a 160GB SATA drive for Data.  I'm now at 1.5GB DDR2.  I also added a Power-Color X800XL PCIe GPU and the Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic sound card.  All added before PSU upgrade, i.e. while the 250W was installed. 

New Monolith game, F.E.A.R., recommends a 3.0GHz processor.  The processor is at 2.8GHz, so I figure I'll go to 3.6 or 3.8GHz.  A BIOS reading utility I downloaded from PCPitstop shows the max speed of the processor can be 4000MHz.

== Processor (type 4, handle 0400, length 32) ==
Socket Designation = Microprocessor
Processor Type = CPU
Processor Family = Pentium 4
Processor Manufacturer = Intel
Processor ID = 00000F41 BFEBFBFF
Processor Version =
Voltage = Currently 1.7V
External Clock (MHz) = 800
Max Speed (MHz) = 4000
Current Speed (MHz) = 2800
Status = Populated, Enabled
Processor Upgrade = ZIF Socket
L1 Cache Handle = 0700
L2 Cache Handle = 0701
L3 Cache Handle = FFFF

Just need confirmation as to which processor I can use.  After additional research, I'm pretty sure I can use a 5xxJ.  Every reference I found to the 570 does not actually reference a 570 (even on Intel's site).  The processor is discussed as being a 570, but the model number is alway BX80547PG3800EJ.  In other words, it's a 5xxJ and not a 5xx.  Basically, everything from Dell says the GX280 can have a 570 processor, but I can't find a 570 actually existing.  It's is always a 570J.

Also, I think the GX280 can use the 5x1 processors because in BIOS rev A05, change 3. Improve support for 64-bit OS, and rev A06, change 6. Add 64bit OS flash support.  I may be wrong, but doesn't the 64-bit OS require 64-bit capable hardware.  Meaning the GX280 could use the 5x1 or the 6xx.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade


Fear runs fine on my Dimension 4300 with 1 gig of ram and a GEFORCE 6800GT OC video card. The CPU is a 2.0Ghz Northwood.


Intel Loves you.  You fall prey to the Mhz myth.  I also have an old Dell precision 610 with Dual 550Mhz Xeon that I run XP and FARCRY on just fine.

Microsoft Windows Game Advisor rates my system in the top 22 percent of ALL systems Tested on Game Advisor
So as I said there really isnt any need to go with something unless there is a NEED vs a few FPS.  Windows Game Advisor correctly tells me that My system will run FEAR just fine.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/games/gameadvisor/default.mspx


http://gameadvisor.futuremark.com/gameadvisor/service/game_index.jsp?gameId=945


This is what Game advisor Recommends for FEAR


Processor: Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz
Graphics Card: ATI RADEON 9600 Series
Memory: 512MB
Disk Space: 5.0GB
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP
Sound Card: 16-bit DirectX?? 9.0 compliant sound card with support for EAX??? 2.0



This is what I have

Dimension 4300, Stock Dell PSU, Video Card is BFG Geforce 6800GT OC

Processor Intel Pentium 4 1995MHz
Display Card NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
Memory 1024MB
Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000
Free Disk Space 61.97GB
Display Card Memory 256MB
Display Driver Version 7.8.0.1
DirectX Version 9.0c
Optical Drive CD
Sound Card SoundMAX Digital Audio


My System Performance
Your system is among the top 22% of all systems scanned by the Game Advisor.


Message Edited by SpeedStep on 11-05-2005 05:10 PM
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade


Fear runs fine on my Dimension 4300 with 1 gig of ram and a GEFORCE 6800GT OC video card. The CPU is a 2.0Ghz Northwood.


Intel Loves you.  You fall prey to the Mhz myth.  I also have an old Dell precision 610 with Dual 550Mhz Xeon that I run XP and FARCRY on just fine.

Microsoft Windows Game Advisor rates my system in the top 22 percent of ALL systems Tested on Game Advisor
So as I said there really isnt any need to go with something unless there is a NEED vs a few FPS.  Windows Game Advisor correctly tells me that My system will run FEAR just fine.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/games/gameadvisor/default.mspx


http://gameadvisor.futuremark.com/gameadvisor/service/game_index.jsp?gameId=945


This is what Game advisor Recommends for FEAR


Processor: Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz
Graphics Card: ATI RADEON 9600 Series
Memory: 512MB
Disk Space: 5.0GB
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP
Sound Card: 16-bit DirectX?? 9.0 compliant sound card with support for EAX??? 2.0



This is what I have

Dimension 4300, Stock Dell PSU, Video Card is BFG Geforce 6800GT OC

Processor Intel Pentium 4 1995MHz
Display Card NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
Memory 1024MB
Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000
Free Disk Space 61.97GB
Display Card Memory 256MB
Display Driver Version 7.8.0.1
DirectX Version 9.0c
Optical Drive CD
Sound Card SoundMAX Digital Audio


My System Performance
Your system is among the top 22% of all systems scanned by the Game Advisor.


Message Edited by SpeedStep on 11-05-2005 05:10 PM
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the comment SpeedStep.  Not going for any bragging rights.  I use the GX280 as my gaming system.  The processor is the last item to upgrade to improve gaming performance.  I've got a 40GB SATA drvie for OS (came w/ system) and a 160GB SATA drive for Data.  I'm now at 1.5GB DDR2.  I also added a Power-Color X800XL PCIe GPU and the Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic sound card.  All added before PSU upgrade, i.e. while the 250W was installed. 

New Monolith game, F.E.A.R., recommends a 3.0GHz processor.  The processor is at 2.8GHz, so I figure I'll go to 3.6 or 3.8GHz.  A BIOS reading utility I downloaded from PCPitstop shows the max speed of the processor can be 4000MHz.

== Processor (type 4, handle 0400, length 32) ==
Socket Designation = Microprocessor
Processor Type = CPU
Processor Family = Pentium 4
Processor Manufacturer = Intel
Processor ID = 00000F41 BFEBFBFF
Processor Version =
Voltage = Currently 1.7V
External Clock (MHz) = 800
Max Speed (MHz) = 4000
Current Speed (MHz) = 2800
Status = Populated, Enabled
Processor Upgrade = ZIF Socket
L1 Cache Handle = 0700
L2 Cache Handle = 0701
L3 Cache Handle = FFFF

Just need confirmation as to which processor I can use.  After additional research, I'm pretty sure I can use a 5xxJ.  Every reference I found to the 570 does not actually reference a 570 (even on Intel's site).  The processor is discussed as being a 570, but the model number is alway BX80547PG3800EJ.  In other words, it's a 5xxJ and not a 5xx.  Basically, everything from Dell says the GX280 can have a 570 processor, but I can't find a 570 actually existing.  It's is always a 570J.

Also, I think the GX280 can use the 5x1 processors because in BIOS rev A05, change 3. Improve support for 64-bit OS, and rev A06, change 6. Add 64bit OS flash support.  I may be wrong, but doesn't the 64-bit OS require 64-bit capable hardware.  Meaning the GX280 could use the 5x1 or the 6xx.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Unlike the GX1 thats been out for a Million years the GX280 is relatively new and already discontinued. So there will be very litte experience with "Newer" processors. Seing as its already a Pentium4 class system at least 2.0ghz in general I dont see why other than bragging rights one would need a newer processor.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the post, but any reference to Celeron processors is irrevalent to the discussion.  Also the Dell link references the processors available when a GX280 was purchased brand new.  I comment it is interesting Dell list a 570, but Intel does not make mention of a 570 existing; only a 571.

"...try at your own risk."  I do not wish to do so, thus my post.  I have BIOS A06 and I know there are many knowledgeable Dell fanatics trolling this forum.  My contention is at least one, (I'm guessing SpeedStep or one of the Dell-Guys) knows what processor I can put in my small mid-tower.

With the 520, 530, 540, 550, 560, and supposedly the 570 (BIOS rev A00) being the P4 processors supported at launch, what processors are now supported by the GX280?

  • BIOS rev A03
    • Change 9. Added support for new Pentium 4 processors.
  • BIOS rev A04
    • Change 1. Increased SMBIOS Max CPU Speed to support new Pentium 4 processors.
    • Change 15. Added support for new Pentium 4 processors.
  • BIOS rev A05
    • Change 5. Add support for newer processors.
  • BIOS rev A06
    • Change 11. Add support for newer CPUs.

 


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Ah, ok.  So, my inquiry should be:  Has anyone successfully installed a 5xxJ, 5x1, or 6xx Pentium 4 processor in a SMT GX280?

Thanks for the response.


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

The newer processors don't necessarily mean newer 'numbers'. Intel often comes with a newer revision, that gives better yields, uses less power, fixes some issue and things like that. They would retain the same number, but have a different rev.
Dev Mgr

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Any advice?? I would like to purchase an upgrade this weekend.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Does anyone have an advice as to which processor I can put in a GX280.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Dell only offered the 500-series in that system (and the Celeron 300-series with 345 as max), with the 570 being the max. So other processors you can try at your own risk.
Dev Mgr

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Previous I had posted under the subject "GX280 Upgrades" in June.  In that post, I referenced I did not know which processor was in my system: 520 or 520J.  I now know the processor in my GX280 is in fact the 520.  I would like to upgrade to either a Pentium 4 3.6 or 3.8GHz processor.  But I require a little help from the community experts.  Which processor should I purchase?  I know from the Product Details the GX280 initially supported P4 520, 530, 540, 550, 560, and 570.  (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/optix_gx280?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&~tab=specstab#tabtop)  Has the subsequent BIOS revisions added support for the 5xxJ, 5x1, or 6xx series?  Also, I find it interesting the Dell site listing the 570 as a processor option, when the Intel site does not list this processor.  Intel only references the 570J and 571. (http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm)
 
I see on the downloads for the GX280, BIOS A06 adds support for 64Bit OS and newer processors.  What exactly does this mean?  Currently, my BIOS is A05.  I will update to A06 today.  Currently, I believe the following are my upgrade options:
  • P4 560 90nm, LGA775, 1MB L2 Cache, 3.6GHZ, 800MHz FSB, Hyper-Threading
  • P4 560J (The only difference I can see between the non-J and the J versions is the 5xxJ processors have support for Execute Disable Bit functionality.  What is this?)
  • P4 561 (The 5x1 versions seem to be identical to the 5xxJ processors except for the additon of 64Bit support.)
  • P4 570J 3.80GHz
  • P4 571
  • P4 660 2MB L2 Cache, 3.6GHz, Enhanced SpeedStep Technology
  • P4 670 3.80GHz

Any advise would be greatly, appreciated.

Also, I apologize for not posting in a long while.  For those wondering how the previous upgrades went, everything went off without a hitch.  Meaning I did not have to upgrade the PSU to perform those updates.  And FYI, I just ordered a new PSU for this update.

 


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

If you already have 1 gig 2 gigs is not going to be much of an update.
Going from 128 or 256 or 512 to 1 gig is more of speed bump.

As you add more and more ram it has less and less of an effect.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

This may be true, so what would you reccommend?? Going to 3 or 4 ?

Also any recceomendations on System Cleaners and Defragging hard drives? is it a waste of time or something to be taken for REAL.

Later.

I hear a good game of FEAR Calling me on MultiPlayer
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I recommend not adding ram if you are up to 1 or 2 gigs.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the reply, and I dont expect anyone to open a machine and look.
BFG Technologies said that it was Dells call and I cant get a reply from Dell on this so I figured that I would sit on terminal hold later today and see what the techs say.

Do you work for DELL Speedstep? Or just been through all of this before?

Thanks again

Michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I can not speak to the Desktop (I do not have one).  But as for the Small Mini-Tower, yes you can upgrade from a x300 to an x800.  SpeedStep is right x700 cards were never any good.  But you shouldn't have a problem with x800, as long as you meet power requirements.  I upgraded my x300 to a Power Color ATI x800-xl and it's worked great from day one.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Other than installing a Later version of the Video driver the 6800GT was plug and play.
Worked first time out of the box. Not sure if it was a bad batch of cards or motherboard issues.
I say this because there are multiple types of GX280 motherboard and cloning drives seemed to NOT WORK with newer boards that worked before the "silent update" of the hardware to a newer chipset and layout etc. Im not going to open machines to figure this out you will just have to take my word for it that the motherboard design changed somehow and there was no notice. Its why we stopped buying GX280s and reverted to 170L's as a fallback position. My requirements are not to run games so not having AGP or PCIE was not an issue. Having a stable cloneable pc with Legacy ports like Serial and PS2 and LPT was.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the reply, so are you saying that the 6800GT did work and with no problems or having to change other items in the computer itself? Just trying to get the full picture/answer/reply. Worst Buy has the 6800 on sale I believe and I was thinking of trying it out.

Thanks again

Michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

My experience with X700 and X800 cards caused me to send them back and get Geforce 6800GT cards instead.

Experience was DEAD PC No post.
Artifacts in video if it did post.
Freezing and otherwise locking up.
In general an unhappy gaming experience.

I hear rumors that ATI blames INTEL and INTEL says ATI doesnt follow the spec for PCI X16 cards.
Not sure who is right. ATI Also will try to blame the board makers bios etc.

I would google search for X800 in my dell now its dead and no longer posts.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I have asked this before but after reading this thread I am curious as to wether or not I can upgrade my video card from the x300 to the x800 in a GX280 Desktop/Mini tower, this is NOT the small foot print model its the full size case.

Thanks
michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Can you install any Intel 6XX CPUs in the GX280?

 





Hydralisk00222

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Honestly, my man.  I don't know.  As SpeedStep helped me realize, I won't be upgrading the CPU (at least not yet).  I'll make a move on a processor when the 3.8's are down to $300.

  • 6xx - Can't confirm compatibility
  • 5x1 - Should work, but I can't say for sure
  • 5xxJ - Will definitely work.  Premise based upon every reference to a P4 570 is actually a 570J.  Intel never made a 570.  Even their site refers to the 570 and then in the subscripts, or some place else, the true model number is listed as BX80547PG3800EJ; making it a 570J.
  • 5xx - Will definitely work.  In fact, one shouldn't need the larger PSU to run any of these processors.  Original configuration you received a 250W PSU for CPU 3.2GHz and less and a 305W PSU for CPU 3.4GHz and higher.  But with introduction of E0 Stepping revision Thermal Design Power Specifications were lowered from 115W to 84W. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041115/index.html

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

They have 4 levels. LOL

 

That puts your system in the

Category.

 

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

All righty then, I guess a processor upgrade right now would be just for "bragging rights." I ran the Game Advisor and got the following:

My System Specifications

  • Processor - Intel Pentium 4 2793MHz
  • Display Card - ATI Radeon X800 XL
  • Memory - 1536MB
  • Operation System - Microsoft Windows XP
  • Free Disk Space - 127.33GB
  • Display Card Memory - 256MB
  • Display Driver Version - 6.14.10.6575
  • DirectX Version - 9.0c
  • Optical Drive - CD/DVD
  • Sound Card - SB X-Fi Audio [CCE0]

Your system is among the top 7% of all systems scanned by the Game Advisor.

At least for the time being, I'll be holding off on any processor upgrades.


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the reply, and I dont expect anyone to open a machine and look.
BFG Technologies said that it was Dells call and I cant get a reply from Dell on this so I figured that I would sit on terminal hold later today and see what the techs say.

Do you work for DELL Speedstep? Or just been through all of this before?

Thanks again

Michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I can not speak to the Desktop (I do not have one).  But as for the Small Mini-Tower, yes you can upgrade from a x300 to an x800.  SpeedStep is right x700 cards were never any good.  But you shouldn't have a problem with x800, as long as you meet power requirements.  I upgraded my x300 to a Power Color ATI x800-xl and it's worked great from day one.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Other than installing a Later version of the Video driver the 6800GT was plug and play.
Worked first time out of the box. Not sure if it was a bad batch of cards or motherboard issues.
I say this because there are multiple types of GX280 motherboard and cloning drives seemed to NOT WORK with newer boards that worked before the "silent update" of the hardware to a newer chipset and layout etc. Im not going to open machines to figure this out you will just have to take my word for it that the motherboard design changed somehow and there was no notice. Its why we stopped buying GX280s and reverted to 170L's as a fallback position. My requirements are not to run games so not having AGP or PCIE was not an issue. Having a stable cloneable pc with Legacy ports like Serial and PS2 and LPT was.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the reply, so are you saying that the 6800GT did work and with no problems or having to change other items in the computer itself? Just trying to get the full picture/answer/reply. Worst Buy has the 6800 on sale I believe and I was thinking of trying it out.

Thanks again

Michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

My experience with X700 and X800 cards caused me to send them back and get Geforce 6800GT cards instead.

Experience was DEAD PC No post.
Artifacts in video if it did post.
Freezing and otherwise locking up.
In general an unhappy gaming experience.

I hear rumors that ATI blames INTEL and INTEL says ATI doesnt follow the spec for PCI X16 cards.
Not sure who is right. ATI Also will try to blame the board makers bios etc.

I would google search for X800 in my dell now its dead and no longer posts.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I have asked this before but after reading this thread I am curious as to wether or not I can upgrade my video card from the x300 to the x800 in a GX280 Desktop/Mini tower, this is NOT the small foot print model its the full size case.

Thanks
michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Can you install any Intel 6XX CPUs in the GX280?

 





Hydralisk00222

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Honestly, my man.  I don't know.  As SpeedStep helped me realize, I won't be upgrading the CPU (at least not yet).  I'll make a move on a processor when the 3.8's are down to $300.

  • 6xx - Can't confirm compatibility
  • 5x1 - Should work, but I can't say for sure
  • 5xxJ - Will definitely work.  Premise based upon every reference to a P4 570 is actually a 570J.  Intel never made a 570.  Even their site refers to the 570 and then in the subscripts, or some place else, the true model number is listed as BX80547PG3800EJ; making it a 570J.
  • 5xx - Will definitely work.  In fact, one shouldn't need the larger PSU to run any of these processors.  Original configuration you received a 250W PSU for CPU 3.2GHz and less and a 305W PSU for CPU 3.4GHz and higher.  But with introduction of E0 Stepping revision Thermal Design Power Specifications were lowered from 115W to 84W. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041115/index.html

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

They have 4 levels. LOL

 

That puts your system in the

Category.

 

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

All righty then, I guess a processor upgrade right now would be just for "bragging rights." I ran the Game Advisor and got the following:

My System Specifications

  • Processor - Intel Pentium 4 2793MHz
  • Display Card - ATI Radeon X800 XL
  • Memory - 1536MB
  • Operation System - Microsoft Windows XP
  • Free Disk Space - 127.33GB
  • Display Card Memory - 256MB
  • Display Driver Version - 6.14.10.6575
  • DirectX Version - 9.0c
  • Optical Drive - CD/DVD
  • Sound Card - SB X-Fi Audio [CCE0]

Your system is among the top 7% of all systems scanned by the Game Advisor.

At least for the time being, I'll be holding off on any processor upgrades.


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Hey guys

I bought the BFG 6600 GT OC w/128 MBGDDR# and have to say absolutely love this.
I was going to go higher but was not sure about the power supply situation and didn't want to push it, from what I understand all the other cards higher need to have extra power and some of them require the power supply to be 500 watts instead of 350. Once you add everything up it seems like your building a new machine, and that's not in the budget for darn sure for now.

Now I want to upgrade the RAM, and would like some feedback as to whether I should just dump another gig in or go for 2 1 gig sticks. First I have to figure out what type of memory this thing takes.

Thank you all for your assistance and opinions , I appreciate it. Was going to buy another monitor from Dell but the sales rep who quoted me the price LIED and put the order through which I told Him NOT to so NOW I am F___'d on my preferred card till they straighten this out. I love Dells computers and monitors but there finance dept is so messed up its not funny.
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

By $600, I meant if he were willing to spend that much on a card.  I didn't not mean that the 6800GT costs $600.  Sorry for the confusion.
As far as the X800 series, there are multiple GPU configurations.  The slowest version being the X800.  The card I recommend is one based on the X800-XL GPU, which is just as fast as the 6800GT and faster in the games referenced.  It's only slower in Doom and UT2K4, but not by much.  Just as the 6800GT is slower in HL2, but not by much.  Newegg doesn't current have my card from Power-Color available, but it referenced based just like this one.
 
 
And by all of this, I'm not suggesting he not get the 6800GT.  While trying to convince the wife I needed a new video card (PNY version of the 6800GT was the card I wanted), the X800-XL GPU was released.  So I got a Power-Color instead (only because it was less money).  I'm just trying to give him another option.
 
Speaking of which, for $300 he can get a card just as fast as the 6800Ultra, the X850-XT.
 

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

$600 is a gross exxageration.
The BFG non ultra cards are in the $330 range.
They run just behind the 6800Ultra and in general are clockable to ultra speeds and a BETTER FASTER CARD than the X800. I do agree about the $100 difference. Having had ATI Woes with several Dimension 8400's and GX280's that were solved by NVIDIA I cannot recommend the X800
series of PCIE or AGP cards.

http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buyer/ProductM.jsp?nxtg=eaa0a1c0509-F475A69F152CB650&page=1&pdir=0&lgnode=&display_mode=0&node=&lgsearch=X800_PCI&ptitle=69950273&core=&kw=Gigabyte_Technology_NEW_Gigabyte


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007NKVKO/104-1582429-0042327?v=glance&n=172282&s=electronics&v=glance&tagActionCode=bestauthors20-20

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

The only "really new" features are SLI and SM3.0. Since we talking GX280, the SLI feature doesn't matter.  And as far as SM3.0, the only real big game to use it is Far Cry.  Even the latest and greatest game (IMO) F.E.A.R. doesn't use it and F.E.A.R. (i'm sure you would agree) looks awesome.  If you have the retail box under "Recommended Hardware", it says "video card with hardware T&L and pixel shader 2.0 support".  This was just a marketing selling point.  By the time an engine comes out that really utilizes SM3.0, we'll all need new video cards and SM4.0 will be released.  The engine is Unreal 3 (in case you were wondering).
 
As far as your problems with ATI cards, I wouldn't put the trouble on ATI or Intel.  I'd bet it's the card manufacturer.  Everyone generically says "ATI killed my system", when the reality is they have a card powered by ATI not made by ATI.  The ATI reference design of my card doesn't call for a PSU connection.  But there are versions of the X800-XL GPU that connect to the PSU.  I have a friend who has multiple GX280 (purchased at various times) and he uses the X800-XL in one, X850PE in three others, and he just put a 1800XL in another.  All are stable & he didn't have an installation issues.
 
If pt was slurging on $600 cards, I'd say get the nVidia.  But at the price point we've been discussing, X800-XL is a better buy than the 6800GT (you get the same performance for $100 cheaper.)  As with all purchases, use a reputable vendor with a good return policy.
 
PT, scroll down to System Requirements.  300-Watts btw.

Message Edited by kdawg0321aries on 11-16-2005 01:38 AM
kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

One set backup so far that I see from reading specs on the Nvidia's cards is that I need a 350 Power supply now for there cards. Beat that and dells sales guy says I have a 305 Watt power supply and that I should be fine with no problems. Heck by the time I get done with all of this I could have built a new PC or bought a referb from the dell outlet.

ATI I cant find any specs at all on power requirements. Hmmmmmmmmmmm


Sheeeeeeesh

Michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Dell's power supplys in the Tower configuration generally are rated a bit conservatively.

GX1 or GX110 systems say 200 watts. The GEFORCE FX5500 PCI card says 250 watts minimum.
they work fine for me.

My dimension 4300 says 200 watts. Im using a GEFORCE 6800GT 0C from BFG.
They also say 350 watts and yet my 4300 works just fine with that card.

This is the card I have in my 4300
http://www.bfgtech.com/6800GTOC.html

They throw the power requirement out there so they do not have to deal with vendors that make Cheap systems that say their power is 200 watts but in reality its 150 or less.

 

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

With the 6800 series GPUS you get more newer features which is why the ATI is listed as DX 9.0b and the NVIDIA is listed as DX 9.0c.

There are also tons of unhappy people in the forms including myself that had
POST PROBLEMS ATI KILLED MY SYSTEM
POWER PROBLEMS ATI KILLED MY POWER SUPPLY AND NOW MY DELL WONT COME ON.
LOCKUP PROBLEMS ATI MAKES MY MACHINE FREEZE OR RIGHT CLICK PULLDOWN MENUS ARE GARBLED OR INCOMPLETE.

From one set of engineers I hear ATI doesnt follow spec vs power and bus timing.
From others they blame Intel's chipset.

My recommendation is based on one works and is stable and the other works in SOME BUT NOT ALL GX280.

The BFG cards run slightly behind the 6800 ULTRA series and I have yet to see anyone that cannot overclock the card at 6800 Ultra spec and it still runs fine. What Microsoft DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 support means I have no idea. What I do know is NVIDA has it and ATI in the X800 and X850 doesnt.

NVIDIA Calls this CINEFX 3.0
http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_cinefx3.0.html

This is what microsoft says
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/partners/shadermodel30_nvidia.mspx

http://www.bfgtech.com/6800GT_PCIX.html

All opinions are my own based on my personal experience.

Professional driver on closed course. Do not try this at home.

Your mileage may vary.  Tastes great less filling.

I do not work for DELL nor NVIDIA nor Powerleap nor INTEL nor any other computer maker.

I could tell you where I work but then I gotta whack you!!

 

Message Edited by SpeedStep on 11-15-2005 05:11 PM
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I like this card and I use and it works but it costs a bizillion dollars.   The price average here is $420 VS $250 VS $100

http://www.bfgtech.com/6800GT_PCIX.html

You wont be unhappy with a 6600GT but you WILL BE unhappy with a 6200 junk card.

http://www.bfgtech.com/6600GT_PCIX.html

I say stay away from the JUNK card 6200 series.  Its horrible, its crippled, it costs wayy too much moola for what you are getting.

http://www.bfgtech.com/6200OC.html

 

Best Buy and Compusa and other vendors regularly carry all of these types.

 

 

 

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Here are two links to card reviews (guru3d.com and tom's hardware).  Both reviews have the cards you are considering as well as my preference (X800-XL).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/177/

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html

What I want you to take away from the articles is...

  1. if you are looking at the 6600GT or 6800GT, the 6800GT is a better card
  2. but when compared to SpeedStep's price points,..
    • you can get the X800-XL, between $250-$300 (closer to $250)
    • the X800-XL is only 2-5 FPS slower than a 6800GT
    • most X800-XL also do not require a connection to PSU
  3. i.e., you get a card just a hair slower than the 6800GT for the price of a 6600GT. (VALUE)

Well anyway, now you have 1 vote for NVidia and 1 vote for ATI.

BTW, except for CT (I play America's Army), I play FEAR & HL2.  The above reviews show the X800-XL beats the 6800GT at HL2.  And I average 50-55 FPS in FEAR.

The rest of my system spec's are listed on page 2 of this thread.

Happy shopping.

Message Edited by kdawg0321aries on 11-15-2005 02:55 PM
kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thank you ALL for the replys, I talked to tech support and they looked and looked and than a senior tech said to contact sales because they have a better listing of the video cards than they do. I did and spoke with Peter who looked through the listings and said that I can use the X800 or any one of NVIDIA's PCI-E cards also. As long as I did NOT exceed the 305 Watt power supply that came with the system and once again he researched what I had in the system and said that I should have NO problems by doing what I was looking at which is the 6600 or 6800 from NVIDIA's. I was also looking at the eVGA cards on there site and have some shopping to do. If anyone has recceomendations I would love to hear them. I use this computer mainly for Coldfusion Web Development and Database work, and the only games I own are Fear and Halflife and counter strike. The games are the reason for upgrading the video after seeing them run on his computer using a PNY card with 128 meg of ram and dual DVI output. Once again thank you to every one who responded. I sincerly appreciate it.

Michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade


Fear runs fine on my Dimension 4300 with 1 gig of ram and a GEFORCE 6800GT OC video card. The CPU is a 2.0Ghz Northwood.


Intel Loves you.  You fall prey to the Mhz myth.  I also have an old Dell precision 610 with Dual 550Mhz Xeon that I run XP and FARCRY on just fine.

Microsoft Windows Game Advisor rates my system in the top 22 percent of ALL systems Tested on Game Advisor
So as I said there really isnt any need to go with something unless there is a NEED vs a few FPS.  Windows Game Advisor correctly tells me that My system will run FEAR just fine.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/games/gameadvisor/default.mspx


http://gameadvisor.futuremark.com/gameadvisor/service/game_index.jsp?gameId=945


This is what Game advisor Recommends for FEAR


Processor: Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz
Graphics Card: ATI RADEON 9600 Series
Memory: 512MB
Disk Space: 5.0GB
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP
Sound Card: 16-bit DirectX?? 9.0 compliant sound card with support for EAX??? 2.0



This is what I have

Dimension 4300, Stock Dell PSU, Video Card is BFG Geforce 6800GT OC

Processor Intel Pentium 4 1995MHz
Display Card NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
Memory 1024MB
Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000
Free Disk Space 61.97GB
Display Card Memory 256MB
Display Driver Version 7.8.0.1
DirectX Version 9.0c
Optical Drive CD
Sound Card SoundMAX Digital Audio


My System Performance
Your system is among the top 22% of all systems scanned by the Game Advisor.


Message Edited by SpeedStep on 11-05-2005 05:10 PM
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the comment SpeedStep.  Not going for any bragging rights.  I use the GX280 as my gaming system.  The processor is the last item to upgrade to improve gaming performance.  I've got a 40GB SATA drvie for OS (came w/ system) and a 160GB SATA drive for Data.  I'm now at 1.5GB DDR2.  I also added a Power-Color X800XL PCIe GPU and the Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic sound card.  All added before PSU upgrade, i.e. while the 250W was installed. 

New Monolith game, F.E.A.R., recommends a 3.0GHz processor.  The processor is at 2.8GHz, so I figure I'll go to 3.6 or 3.8GHz.  A BIOS reading utility I downloaded from PCPitstop shows the max speed of the processor can be 4000MHz.

== Processor (type 4, handle 0400, length 32) ==
Socket Designation = Microprocessor
Processor Type = CPU
Processor Family = Pentium 4
Processor Manufacturer = Intel
Processor ID = 00000F41 BFEBFBFF
Processor Version =
Voltage = Currently 1.7V
External Clock (MHz) = 800
Max Speed (MHz) = 4000
Current Speed (MHz) = 2800
Status = Populated, Enabled
Processor Upgrade = ZIF Socket
L1 Cache Handle = 0700
L2 Cache Handle = 0701
L3 Cache Handle = FFFF

Just need confirmation as to which processor I can use.  After additional research, I'm pretty sure I can use a 5xxJ.  Every reference I found to the 570 does not actually reference a 570 (even on Intel's site).  The processor is discussed as being a 570, but the model number is alway BX80547PG3800EJ.  In other words, it's a 5xxJ and not a 5xx.  Basically, everything from Dell says the GX280 can have a 570 processor, but I can't find a 570 actually existing.  It's is always a 570J.

Also, I think the GX280 can use the 5x1 processors because in BIOS rev A05, change 3. Improve support for 64-bit OS, and rev A06, change 6. Add 64bit OS flash support.  I may be wrong, but doesn't the 64-bit OS require 64-bit capable hardware.  Meaning the GX280 could use the 5x1 or the 6xx.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Ah, ok.  So, my inquiry should be:  Has anyone successfully installed a 5xxJ, 5x1, or 6xx Pentium 4 processor in a SMT GX280?

Thanks for the response.


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thanks for the post, but any reference to Celeron processors is irrevalent to the discussion.  Also the Dell link references the processors available when a GX280 was purchased brand new.  I comment it is interesting Dell list a 570, but Intel does not make mention of a 570 existing; only a 571.

"...try at your own risk."  I do not wish to do so, thus my post.  I have BIOS A06 and I know there are many knowledgeable Dell fanatics trolling this forum.  My contention is at least one, (I'm guessing SpeedStep or one of the Dell-Guys) knows what processor I can put in my small mid-tower.

With the 520, 530, 540, 550, 560, and supposedly the 570 (BIOS rev A00) being the P4 processors supported at launch, what processors are now supported by the GX280?

  • BIOS rev A03
    • Change 9. Added support for new Pentium 4 processors.
  • BIOS rev A04
    • Change 1. Increased SMBIOS Max CPU Speed to support new Pentium 4 processors.
    • Change 15. Added support for new Pentium 4 processors.
  • BIOS rev A05
    • Change 5. Add support for newer processors.
  • BIOS rev A06
    • Change 11. Add support for newer CPUs.

 


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

The newer processors don't necessarily mean newer 'numbers'. Intel often comes with a newer revision, that gives better yields, uses less power, fixes some issue and things like that. They would retain the same number, but have a different rev.
Dev Mgr

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Any advice?? I would like to purchase an upgrade this weekend.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Does anyone have an advice as to which processor I can put in a GX280.

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Dell only offered the 500-series in that system (and the Celeron 300-series with 345 as max), with the 570 being the max. So other processors you can try at your own risk.
Dev Mgr

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Previous I had posted under the subject "GX280 Upgrades" in June.  In that post, I referenced I did not know which processor was in my system: 520 or 520J.  I now know the processor in my GX280 is in fact the 520.  I would like to upgrade to either a Pentium 4 3.6 or 3.8GHz processor.  But I require a little help from the community experts.  Which processor should I purchase?  I know from the Product Details the GX280 initially supported P4 520, 530, 540, 550, 560, and 570.  (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/optix_gx280?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&~tab=specstab#tabtop)  Has the subsequent BIOS revisions added support for the 5xxJ, 5x1, or 6xx series?  Also, I find it interesting the Dell site listing the 570 as a processor option, when the Intel site does not list this processor.  Intel only references the 570J and 571. (http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm)
 
I see on the downloads for the GX280, BIOS A06 adds support for 64Bit OS and newer processors.  What exactly does this mean?  Currently, my BIOS is A05.  I will update to A06 today.  Currently, I believe the following are my upgrade options:
  • P4 560 90nm, LGA775, 1MB L2 Cache, 3.6GHZ, 800MHz FSB, Hyper-Threading
  • P4 560J (The only difference I can see between the non-J and the J versions is the 5xxJ processors have support for Execute Disable Bit functionality.  What is this?)
  • P4 561 (The 5x1 versions seem to be identical to the 5xxJ processors except for the additon of 64Bit support.)
  • P4 570J 3.80GHz
  • P4 571
  • P4 660 2MB L2 Cache, 3.6GHz, Enhanced SpeedStep Technology
  • P4 670 3.80GHz

Any advise would be greatly, appreciated.

Also, I apologize for not posting in a long while.  For those wondering how the previous upgrades went, everything went off without a hitch.  Meaning I did not have to upgrade the PSU to perform those updates.  And FYI, I just ordered a new PSU for this update.

 


kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I recommend not adding ram if you are up to 1 or 2 gigs.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

If you already have 1 gig 2 gigs is not going to be much of an update.
Going from 128 or 256 or 512 to 1 gig is more of speed bump.

As you add more and more ram it has less and less of an effect.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

This may be true, so what would you reccommend?? Going to 3 or 4 ?

Also any recceomendations on System Cleaners and Defragging hard drives? is it a waste of time or something to be taken for REAL.

Later.

I hear a good game of FEAR Calling me on MultiPlayer
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Unlike the GX1 thats been out for a Million years the GX280 is relatively new and already discontinued. So there will be very litte experience with "Newer" processors. Seing as its already a Pentium4 class system at least 2.0ghz in general I dont see why other than bragging rights one would need a newer processor.
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Hey guys

I bought the BFG 6600 GT OC w/128 MBGDDR# and have to say absolutely love this.
I was going to go higher but was not sure about the power supply situation and didn't want to push it, from what I understand all the other cards higher need to have extra power and some of them require the power supply to be 500 watts instead of 350. Once you add everything up it seems like your building a new machine, and that's not in the budget for darn sure for now.

Now I want to upgrade the RAM, and would like some feedback as to whether I should just dump another gig in or go for 2 1 gig sticks. First I have to figure out what type of memory this thing takes.

Thank you all for your assistance and opinions , I appreciate it. Was going to buy another monitor from Dell but the sales rep who quoted me the price LIED and put the order through which I told Him NOT to so NOW I am F___'d on my preferred card till they straighten this out. I love Dells computers and monitors but there finance dept is so messed up its not funny.
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

By $600, I meant if he were willing to spend that much on a card.  I didn't not mean that the 6800GT costs $600.  Sorry for the confusion.
As far as the X800 series, there are multiple GPU configurations.  The slowest version being the X800.  The card I recommend is one based on the X800-XL GPU, which is just as fast as the 6800GT and faster in the games referenced.  It's only slower in Doom and UT2K4, but not by much.  Just as the 6800GT is slower in HL2, but not by much.  Newegg doesn't current have my card from Power-Color available, but it referenced based just like this one.
 
 
And by all of this, I'm not suggesting he not get the 6800GT.  While trying to convince the wife I needed a new video card (PNY version of the 6800GT was the card I wanted), the X800-XL GPU was released.  So I got a Power-Color instead (only because it was less money).  I'm just trying to give him another option.
 
Speaking of which, for $300 he can get a card just as fast as the 6800Ultra, the X850-XT.
 

kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

$600 is a gross exxageration.
The BFG non ultra cards are in the $330 range.
They run just behind the 6800Ultra and in general are clockable to ultra speeds and a BETTER FASTER CARD than the X800. I do agree about the $100 difference. Having had ATI Woes with several Dimension 8400's and GX280's that were solved by NVIDIA I cannot recommend the X800
series of PCIE or AGP cards.

http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buyer/ProductM.jsp?nxtg=eaa0a1c0509-F475A69F152CB650&page=1&pdir=0&lgnode=&display_mode=0&node=&lgsearch=X800_PCI&ptitle=69950273&core=&kw=Gigabyte_Technology_NEW_Gigabyte


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007NKVKO/104-1582429-0042327?v=glance&n=172282&s=electronics&v=glance&tagActionCode=bestauthors20-20

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

The only "really new" features are SLI and SM3.0. Since we talking GX280, the SLI feature doesn't matter.  And as far as SM3.0, the only real big game to use it is Far Cry.  Even the latest and greatest game (IMO) F.E.A.R. doesn't use it and F.E.A.R. (i'm sure you would agree) looks awesome.  If you have the retail box under "Recommended Hardware", it says "video card with hardware T&L and pixel shader 2.0 support".  This was just a marketing selling point.  By the time an engine comes out that really utilizes SM3.0, we'll all need new video cards and SM4.0 will be released.  The engine is Unreal 3 (in case you were wondering).
 
As far as your problems with ATI cards, I wouldn't put the trouble on ATI or Intel.  I'd bet it's the card manufacturer.  Everyone generically says "ATI killed my system", when the reality is they have a card powered by ATI not made by ATI.  The ATI reference design of my card doesn't call for a PSU connection.  But there are versions of the X800-XL GPU that connect to the PSU.  I have a friend who has multiple GX280 (purchased at various times) and he uses the X800-XL in one, X850PE in three others, and he just put a 1800XL in another.  All are stable & he didn't have an installation issues.
 
If pt was slurging on $600 cards, I'd say get the nVidia.  But at the price point we've been discussing, X800-XL is a better buy than the 6800GT (you get the same performance for $100 cheaper.)  As with all purchases, use a reputable vendor with a good return policy.
 
PT, scroll down to System Requirements.  300-Watts btw.

Message Edited by kdawg0321aries on 11-16-2005 01:38 AM
kdawg0321aries

GX280 Processor Upgrade

One set backup so far that I see from reading specs on the Nvidia's cards is that I need a 350 Power supply now for there cards. Beat that and dells sales guy says I have a 305 Watt power supply and that I should be fine with no problems. Heck by the time I get done with all of this I could have built a new PC or bought a referb from the dell outlet.

ATI I cant find any specs at all on power requirements. Hmmmmmmmmmmm


Sheeeeeeesh

Michael
ptbarnum

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Dell's power supplys in the Tower configuration generally are rated a bit conservatively.

GX1 or GX110 systems say 200 watts. The GEFORCE FX5500 PCI card says 250 watts minimum.
they work fine for me.

My dimension 4300 says 200 watts. Im using a GEFORCE 6800GT 0C from BFG.
They also say 350 watts and yet my 4300 works just fine with that card.

This is the card I have in my 4300
http://www.bfgtech.com/6800GTOC.html

They throw the power requirement out there so they do not have to deal with vendors that make Cheap systems that say their power is 200 watts but in reality its 150 or less.

 

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

With the 6800 series GPUS you get more newer features which is why the ATI is listed as DX 9.0b and the NVIDIA is listed as DX 9.0c.

There are also tons of unhappy people in the forms including myself that had
POST PROBLEMS ATI KILLED MY SYSTEM
POWER PROBLEMS ATI KILLED MY POWER SUPPLY AND NOW MY DELL WONT COME ON.
LOCKUP PROBLEMS ATI MAKES MY MACHINE FREEZE OR RIGHT CLICK PULLDOWN MENUS ARE GARBLED OR INCOMPLETE.

From one set of engineers I hear ATI doesnt follow spec vs power and bus timing.
From others they blame Intel's chipset.

My recommendation is based on one works and is stable and the other works in SOME BUT NOT ALL GX280.

The BFG cards run slightly behind the 6800 ULTRA series and I have yet to see anyone that cannot overclock the card at 6800 Ultra spec and it still runs fine. What Microsoft DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 support means I have no idea. What I do know is NVIDA has it and ATI in the X800 and X850 doesnt.

NVIDIA Calls this CINEFX 3.0
http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_cinefx3.0.html

This is what microsoft says
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/partners/shadermodel30_nvidia.mspx

http://www.bfgtech.com/6800GT_PCIX.html

All opinions are my own based on my personal experience.

Professional driver on closed course. Do not try this at home.

Your mileage may vary.  Tastes great less filling.

I do not work for DELL nor NVIDIA nor Powerleap nor INTEL nor any other computer maker.

I could tell you where I work but then I gotta whack you!!

 

Message Edited by SpeedStep on 11-15-2005 05:11 PM
 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

I like this card and I use and it works but it costs a bizillion dollars.   The price average here is $420 VS $250 VS $100

http://www.bfgtech.com/6800GT_PCIX.html

You wont be unhappy with a 6600GT but you WILL BE unhappy with a 6200 junk card.

http://www.bfgtech.com/6600GT_PCIX.html

I say stay away from the JUNK card 6200 series.  Its horrible, its crippled, it costs wayy too much moola for what you are getting.

http://www.bfgtech.com/6200OC.html

 

Best Buy and Compusa and other vendors regularly carry all of these types.

 

 

 

 


 






SpeedStep

GX280 Processor Upgrade

Here are two links to card reviews (guru3d.com and tom's hardware).  Both reviews have the cards you are considering as well as my preference (X800-XL).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/177/

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/index.html

What I want you to take away from the articles is...

  1. if you are looking at the 6600GT or 6800GT, the 6800GT is a better card
  2. but when compared to SpeedStep's price points,..
    • you can get the X800-XL, between $250-$300 (closer to $250)
    • the X800-XL is only 2-5 FPS slower than a 6800GT
    • most X800-XL also do not require a connection to PSU
  3. i.e., you get a card just a hair slower than the 6800GT for the price of a 6600GT. (VALUE)

Well anyway, now you have 1 vote for NVidia and 1 vote for ATI.

BTW, except for CT (I play America's Army), I play FEAR & HL2.  The above reviews show the X800-XL beats the 6800GT at HL2.  And I average 50-55 FPS in FEAR.

The rest of my system spec's are listed on page 2 of this thread.

Happy shopping.

Message Edited by kdawg0321aries on 11-15-2005 02:55 PM
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GX280 Processor Upgrade

Thank you ALL for the replys, I talked to tech support and they looked and looked and than a senior tech said to contact sales because they have a better listing of the video cards than they do. I did and spoke with Peter who looked through the listings and said that I can use the X800 or any one of NVIDIA's PCI-E cards also. As long as I did NOT exceed the 305 Watt power supply that came with the system and once again he researched what I had in the system and said that I should have NO problems by doing what I was looking at which is the 6600 or 6800 from NVIDIA's. I was also looking at the eVGA cards on there site and have some shopping to do. If anyone has recceomendations I would love to hear them. I use this computer mainly for Coldfusion Web Development and Database work, and the only games I own are Fear and Halflife and counter strike. The games are the reason for upgrading the video after seeing them run on his computer using a PNY card with 128 meg of ram and dual DVI output. Once again thank you to every one who responded. I sincerly appreciate it.

Michael
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