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Updated: 2008-10-11 20:05:47 (37)
Buying Gaming Laptop

I have narrowed it down tot he following 2 options also edited on last page:

Choice


Penreyn QX9300 2.53 Ghz Quad Core
Dual Ati 3870 Crossfire
8GB DDR3 1066 Mhz
4GB Turbo memory
17” Wuxga 1920 x 1200
DVD burner
250 Gig 7200 RPM
Bluetooth and Wireless
USB 2.0 x 3
VGA x 1
HDMI x 1
e-SATA x 1
7 in 1 Card Reader x 1
Express Slot x 1
IEEE 1394 x 1 RJ45 x 1
SPDIF Output x 1
Mic x 1
Headphone x 1
TV x 1 (DVB-T / Analog)
Kensington x 1
Fingerprint x 1
HiDef Azalia SoundBlaster Pro compatible SRS WOW; 3D Stereo; Virtual 8 channel (7.1) output; 2 built in 1.5 watt speakers + 1 built in 2 watt subwoofer
Spare battery
Spare battery charger

$5274.00




Option #2:

17” WUXGA 1920 x 1200
Intel Core 2 QUAD Q9650 3.0GHz w/ 12MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB
SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 1,024MB (2,048MB TOTAL) PCI-Express nVidia 9800M GTX w/GDDR3 Video Cards (User Upgradeable) ETA 9/10/08 ( + 1,165 )
~ 8,192MB DDR2 667 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory
Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
Built-in Intel? PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link

I included all 3 of the sound cards because 2 are external and will probally order one



Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included


Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1 SB1090 5.1 Channels 24-bit External USB Sound Card ( + 99 )


Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi 7.1 Xtreme Audio Notebook Express Card ( + 119 )

Spare Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell) ( + 135 )
1 Spare 110/220V 120W Auto Switching AC Adapter (as an extra or for replacement) ( + 98 )
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's ( + 177 )



Sager 2 Year Parts & Labor Warranty + 30 Day NO Deacd Pixel Warranty w/ Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Customer Support ( + 299 )


Total: $5406.00

Answers: Buying Gaming Laptop ( Notebook Forums and Laptop Discussion What Notebook Should I Buy? )
Buying Gaming Laptop

Quote:
Originally Posted by mhooper1125
Thanks for the link. It was quite useful. I most have missed that in my research.

Sager seems like it fits the bill perfectly. Now to decide which compnay to buy it through. Xoticpc has a better website and slighly better pricing. Is the customer support good?
Yup, many threads about them here as well.... all positive feedback from their customers here on NBR.

Gophn

Buying Gaming Laptop

Thanks for the link. It was quite useful. I most have missed that in my research.

Sager seems like it fits the bill perfectly. Now to decide which compnay to buy it thr 6e75 ough. Xoticpc has a better website and slighly better pricing. Is the customer support good?

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Quote:
Originally Posted by mhooper1125
Forgot to ask is their a good place to get a deal on the Sager or is Sagernotebook pretty much it?
You can get slightly better deals, a fee extra 2 year labor warranty, much better service/support through Sager resellers:
- www.xoticpc.com
- www.powernnotebooks.com
...etc..

or go through another vendor like:
- www.pcmicroworks.com
- www.rjtech.com
- www.avadirect.com
...etc..

these vendors are all comparable in great service/support and positive feedback here on NBR.

all covered in the Clevo Guide.

Gophn

Buying Gaming Laptop

Forgot to ask is their a good place to get a deal on the Sager or is Sagernotebook pretty much it?

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Single Nvidia GeForce 9800M GTX Graphics with 1GB DDR3 Video Memory [-$800.00]
Dual Nvidia GeForce 9800M GTX Graphics with 1GB DDR3 Video Memory in SLI mode Pre-Order Now! ETA: September 10,
2008

This was one of the options in teh Sager.

Is there any signifigant difference with goign with dual video cards as opposed to one since they are both clocking at 1G?

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Sager NP9262 or NP5796 for a lighter alternative.. The NP9262 is the most powerful laptop there is with nothing else in the same class, but it's also 12lbs.. NP5796 is less powerful but still a great high end choice.

angelicvoices

Buying Gaming Laptop

Take a look at the Sager NP9262 (Clevo D901C). Check out the Clevo Guide for more info.

xtyfyb

Buying Gaming Laptop

or the ocz whitebook, but i would also recommend the sager

jonhapimp

Buying Gaming Laptop

Any other comparable or is Sager pretty much the premium now adays.

A little off topic,

I am also in the market for a gaming mouse, keyboard, and headset.

I do like the idea of wireless but am not would liek the "top of the line" options in both wireless and wired to compare the loss if any between the two.

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

oh ok

Id get the sager.

Id get 98000 gtx in sli over whatever teh ati version is

stamar

Buying Gaming Laptop

Quote:
Originally Posted by stamar
oh ok

Id get the sager.

Id get 98000 gtx in sli over whatever teh ati version is
Just about to say, didn't realize that the Arima can get that high in terms of pricing. Since it's only a $200 difference between +5,000 that you are willing to fork out, might as well get the Sager.

ichime

Buying Gaming Laptop

Priced it out at killer notebooks. So now I guess this has turned into an opinion thread on which one to buy.
So here is what we have in regards to choices.



Choice


Penreyn QX9300 2.53 Ghz Quad Core
Dual Ati 3870 Crossfire
8GB DDR3 1066 Mhz
4GB Turbo memory
17” Wuxga 1920 x 1200
DVD burner
250 Gig 7200 RPM
Bluetooth and Wireless
USB 2.0 x 3
VGA x 1
HDMI x 1
e-SATA x 1
7 in 1 Card Reader x 1
Express Slot x 1
IEEE 1394 x 1 RJ45 x 1
SPDIF Output x 1
Mic x 1
Headphone x 1
TV x 1 (DVB-T / Analog)
Kensington x 1
Fingerprint x 1
HiDef Azalia SoundBlaster Pro compatible SRS WOW; 3D Stereo; Virtual 8 channel (7.1) output; 2 built in 1.5 watt speakers + 1 built in 2 watt subwoofer
Spare battery
Spare battery charger

$5274.00




Option #2:

17” WUXGA 1920 x 1200
Intel Core 2 QUAD Q9650 3.0GHz w/ 12MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB
SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 1,024MB (2,048MB TOTAL) PCI-Express nVidia 9800M GTX w/GDDR3 Video Cards (User Upgradeable) ETA 9/10/08 ( + 1,165 )
~ 8,192MB DDR2 667 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory
Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
Built-in Intel? PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link

I included all 3 of the sound cards because 2 are external and will probally order one



Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included


Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1 SB1090 5.1 Channels 24-bit External USB Sound Card ( + 99 )


Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi 7.1 Xtreme Audio Notebook Express Card ( + 119 )

Spare Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell) ( + 135 )
1 Spare 110/220V 120W Auto Switching AC Adapter (as an extra or for replacement) ( + 98 )
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's ( + 177 )



Sager 2 Year Parts & Labor Warranty + 30 Day NO Deacd Pixel Warranty w/ Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Customer Support ( + 299 )


Total: $5406.00

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

"The ATi cards in Crossfire would put it in competition with the the Sager 9262 in terms of gaming performance."

You really think the ATI would out perform the nvida? And Im talking about Duel 9800MGTX in sli mode 2 Gigs of video memory.

PLease escuse my partial ignorance as I have not been following it long enough to make precise definitive arguments regarding either.

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

I wouldn't say outperform, but the competition is due to the fact that both can handle two GPUs. Though 3dmark06 may not be the best indicator on how they might perform in every game (for example, NVidia tends to do better in games like Crysis, and ATi in games like Call of Juarez), the Mobility 3870s in CF scored similarly to the 9800M GTs in SLi (the Arima with the 3870s in Crossfire + an OC'd X9100 scored 14,805 marks in 3dmark06; check the following for scores of some Sagers with the 9800M GTs in SLi: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=290158 (should be two scores, one guy has his in his signature)).

Now the GTXs in SLi should do slightly better because a single GTX card has about a 5% performance increase over a single GT. So factoring in that, the GTXs in SLi shouldn't have a problem reaching over 15k (it may even hit 16k with a good setup).

Also, one thing about SLi is that the memory is mirrored. So even though you may run two 1gb cards, the GPUs can only render with 1gb of memory. I believe Crossfire actually combines memory, which may also explain why the Crossfire system scales better than SLi in most instances.

ichime

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mhooper1125
I read through and did a little research on the Arima also with taking into consideration this will be one of the first few major applications these new teams are working together on I assume production and design flaws will be pretty apt. And the ATI's major influx going to be put into smaller reseller instead of large ocmpanies makes you wonder. I would also say that ATI runs hotter than Nvidia most of the time. Lets also not forget even there Duel video cards think they can really compete with Duel 9800M GTX's

From the looks of it and the reasearch I did seems this will be more competition for the NP5796 right?
When comparing its abilities with the nVidia card, then yes, it would be more of a competitor to the 5796 (because it doesn't support SLi). The ATi cards in Crossfire would put it in competition with the the Sager 9262 in terms of gaming performance. Heat would probably be an issue, and if this is of serious concern to you, you should wait until a full benchmarks of this system are performed (should be soon, and I'll be doing some once I get mine). If you can't wait :P , then pull the trigger on the Sager. Even though I'm arguing in favor of the Arima, the Sager is still a good choice.

In terms of design flaws, it is possible, but again unlikely because Arima has been through this before (via Alienware), and has been successful with the first iteration of it, according to the reviews I've seen.

ichime

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mhooper1125
But do you think with Ati and running 2 video cards with the heat they produce in crossfire mode would cause some heat issues? Got me curious about the Arima now... Great discussion would like to see the debate go one. I am working on graphic art for the front of my laptop before I order so will probally be Monday. (Nothing will ship till the 10th anyways.) So the more debate the better! Thanks guys lets keep it rolling
That is a valid point, but if you consider the first generation of the Arima (the Alienware M9700 and M9750), it did pretty well handling the SLi 7900 and 7950s in terms of thermals. The new chassis (the W840) is actually .1 inch thicker than the M9700 and the M9750, and by looking at the redesign, you would notice more emphasis on the heat dissipation/fans on the back and on the side. There some pics over at the W840/Whitebook thread for more info and discussion on this notebook:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=288194

ichime

Buying Gaming Laptop

I read through and did a little research on the Arima also with taking into consideration this will be one of the first few major applications these new teams are working together on I assume production and design flaws will be pretty apt. And the ATI's major influx going to be put into smaller reseller instead of large ocmpanies makes you wonder. I would also say that ATI runs hotter than Nvidia most of the time. Lets also not forget even there Duel video cards think they can really compete with Duel 9800M GTX's

From the looks of it and the reasearch I did seems this will be more competition for the NP5796 right?

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

But do you think with Ati and running 2 video cards with the heat they produce in crossfire mode would cause some heat issues? Got me curious about the Arima now... Great discussion would like to see the debate go one. I am working on graphic art for the front of my laptop before I order so will probally be Monday. (Nothing will ship till the 10th anyways.) So the more debate the better! Thanks guys lets keep it rolling

mhooper1125

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gophn
it would not matter, most people still cannot tap 4gigs of RAM... let alone 8 gigs.

I only know graphic and texture designers that are working to large (20+ megapixel) images that can address 4+ gigs of memory, other than that, gaming and normal use will rarely even tap 2 gigs.
you can always use it as a virtual drive
there is nothing bad about ram

stamar

Buying Gaming Laptop

Sager has my vote as well. Good Luck.

Sadie48

Buying Gaming Laptop

So I ultimately decided on doing the Clevo rebuild. I also contacted several companies in regards to the company which I would have build it.

In the end with the information I was provided by each of thebuilders I went with Killernotebooks

I paid a few dollars more, but I believe it to be well spent.

Also I would liek to add that im now an official reseller of Sager notebooks!

I wont build them myself as I lack the desire to work so hard for so little and that I also do not have the experience to warrant my skills as a laptop builder.

In any event thanks for all the helpful suggestions and feedback!

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Yea so Sager FTW.

Now Would it be worht only getting 4G of 800FSB until they make it readily available to get the 8G of 800FSB or just go ahead and spring for 8g of 667?

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Thanks again for the wonderful debates and helpful links. I greatly appreciate the time and effort you all put forth to make this a successful forum and I hope I can contribute the same to others questions.

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Thanks for all the info everyone.

notebookcity

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ya the price difference involved definitely gets pointless if you spend over 5k anyway.

If you spend over 5k get the nvidia 9800 gtx in sli.

There are a few advantagaes the arima has over the clevo. It is lighter and it gets better battery life I assume.
But Thats a lot of money not to get the top of the heap. If youre down below 2k in your budget then get the arima because it has crossfire for below 2k thats where that one is targetted.

stamar

Buying Gaming Laptop

I don't think the DDR3 makes so much of a difference, especially since we're talking about a Sager 9262. What it lacks in memory it makes up with its desktop CPU.

ichime

Buying Gaming Laptop

Yea I built them to the top.

The only advantage I have found over the Sager was that the Arima actually supports the full 8Gig of ddr3 making it 1066 FSB as opposed to the 8Gigs at 667 or 4 Gigs at 800 FSB.

Makes me wonder if I should start out at 4Gigs 800FSB then upgrade the ram to 8 Gigs of 800FSB when they have it available?

Thoughts?

mhooper1125

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gophn
the Arima has yet to show itself in full reviews yet, so I will reserve any judgement.

but the Clevo D901C has been established for about a full year now, and its solid with a crap load of upgrades... with an MXM Type IV module.

As for HDMI and e-SATA, some people, like myself, would not even care for it... if I want it, I'll just get a ExpressCard for the e-SATA, and use a cheap DVI-HDMI adapter for the HDMI.
You are right, it's not even shipped to the U.S yet, but take a look at the Whitebook/Arima thread under the "Other Manufacturers" section. A few numbers and previews of it already came out, and so far so good. Like you and most others (like me as well), I really want to see some gaming benchmarks

ichime

Buying Gaming Laptop

the Arima has yet to show itself in full reviews yet, so I will reserve any judgement.

but the Clevo D901C has been established for about a full year now, and its solid with a crap load of upgrades... with an MXM Type IV module.

As for HDMI and e-SATA, some people, like myself, would not even care for it... if I want it, I'll just get a ExpressCard for the e-SATA, and use a cheap DVI-HDMI adapter for the HDMI.

Gophn

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Yea but sometimes i feel the urge to run 2 copies of WoW, Crysis and warhammer at the same time =)

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

The NP9262 is currently the most powerful notebook now, with the OCZ Whitebook/Arima W840 comming in second. However, the Sager is not as future-proof as the Whitebook/Arima. For instance, the Sager doesn't have eSATA or HDMI ports, while the Whitebook/Arima has. Also, OCZ advertizes upgradeable MXM graphics, meaning that the GPU can be upgraded in the future (although it can hold only 1 nVidia based or up to 2 ATi based GPUs in crossfire mode) The ATi Mobility HD4850 is just around the corner and has already been tested with an X9100 CPU.

I'm not sure if the Sagers would support future ATi card upgrades or future nVidia card upgrades, although the Sager has a history of having its GPU(s) upgraded by the user when it started shipping with the 8700Ms

ichime

Buying Gaming Laptop

Yea they blow everything else out of the water I just didnt know if they have a motherboard comming out soon to handle more than the limite 6.7~ Gigs

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

it would not matter, most people still cannot tap 4gigs of RAM... let alone 8 gigs.

I only know graphic and texture designers that are working to large (20+ megapixel) images that can address 4+ gigs of memory, other than that, gaming and normal use will rarely even tap 2 gigs.

Gophn

Buying Gaming Laptop

Quote:
Originally Posted by mhooper1125
Right before I pull the trigger on this I wanted to see if there are any upgrades in the near future you guys see comming? If so what would it be?
Clevo does not seem to have any replacement model or major motherboard revision for this notebook (D901C).

Since its still remains king of notebooks, it does not need it.

Probably wont see any new replace for another year or so.

Gophn

Buying Gaming Laptop

Yes I am going with the NP9262 and ordering the DUEL SLI video card. Price ended up hitting around 5k with extra battery and extra charger since for some reason I go through a charge every 8 months.

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Right before I pull the trigger on this I wanted to see if there are any upgrades in the near future you guys see comming? If so what would it be?

mhooper1125

Buying Gaming Laptop

Quote:
Originally Posted by mhooper1125
Thanks for the link. It was quite useful. I most have missed that in my research.

Sager seems like it fits the bill perfectly. Now to decide which compnay to buy it through. Xoticpc has a better website and slighly better pricing. Is the customer support good?
Most resellers (at least the two major ones, Power Notebooks & Xotic) have the same prices, and even config options (as they all get put together and ship from Sager anyway - Sager just maintains higher prices so resellers handle most of the customer service and stuff I assume).

Just noting that these systems (and especially the NP9262) are supposed to have the best cooling (large copper heatsinks, good design, lots and lots of fans (3-4! for the above)), which should be the primary priority when looking at gaming laptops.

Tarentum

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