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Question AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2 ( PC Perspective Forums Biostar )
Updated: 2008-12-14 15:35:34 (36)
AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

I just put together a K8M800 Micro, with a AMD 3800 Dual Core and 2Gigs of PNY PC5300. Low budget, but an easy build and runs really smooth. I want to bypass the onboard video and use my Nvidia 7600 GT in the AGP slot, but can't figure out how. Just plugging it into the back of the card does not work. Any suggestions?

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AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

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My BIOS is V6.00PG.
That's just the version of award bios, not the actual bios from biostar.
I am not sure if biostar lists the bios rev, but look in system tools>system information and see if you can see the date of the bios, which might be all you have to go by.



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Quote:
Originally Posted by naptimeshadows
I have no clue. How do I check the BIOS for that?
You can check it when you boot up once you disable the silly Biostar Screen Logo.

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

I have no clue. How do I check the BIOS for that?

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

My BIOS is V6.00PG.

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Only thing I can add to this thread is that I noticed that on US site there is no bios update showing, but there is on Taiwan site.
Appears to have something to do with onboard vga, but the description is very vague.
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...s.php?S_ID=141
What bios version is on your boards ?



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Ah, well mine isn't showing at all.
The only display device IS the onboard.
Again, it's reacting physically like all is well, yet virtually non-existant.
Well, if you have an idea that might help me, lemme know?

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMB
Yes clearing the bios should put the bios back to default.
Follow the procedure in the manual
I would try the agp setting first, then if that doesn't work try the 2 together.
I see the Init Display First showing on page 16 of the manual.

One thing you didn't mention was drivers , since they will be different for the onboard and the agp.
Do you see the 2 video cards in device manager and have you installed drivers for the Agp ?
If you don't get the agp showing without disabling the onboard, you should load default standard vga drivers before disabling.
Hi,

I was wrong about the vga adapter showing up in the device manager. It was the result of installing an ati driver from windows. However, when I try to install the correct driver, it will not load and windows does not find the hardware. Would there be a plug and play issue? I also, enabled AGP in Init Dispaly First with no apparent result. No reply from Biostar either.

Starter

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Hi,

I've had no luck so far. Have not had time to play around with computerr for a few days. I am using the same card (not my 7600 gt just yet) and get the same results. Computer runs fine and fan on card is running.

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Sadly, I am having the same problem with a Radeon X1300, though after changing the BIOS as you mentioned, I got no change.
I don't think it's a bad board, because the fan on the graphics card only runs while in the board+plugged into the power supply.

Starter, did you find a solution?

Off topic, but I am having the same problem with the USB ports on the front of my case.


naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

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DBI Output for AGP Trans. in CMOS? Right now it is disabled.
Shouldn't have anything to do with your issue
http://www.techarp.com/showFreeBOG.aspx?lang=0&bogno=54
I downloaded the manual from here and it shows the Init Display First on page 16 of the manual, or page 68 of the pdf file
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...t.php?S_ID=141



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

OK, computer is running again. Although, I got a checksum error for the default setting on boot up, so I set CMOS to optimized defaults and so far so good.

Where is the manual you've been reading? The one that came with my MB and the online manual only has jumper settings for serial ATA and Digital Audio. Am I missing something?

However, video card does show up in device manager with an ! I swear it wasn't there before! Installed drivers, no luck. Will try standard VGA Driver, but before I try that, what is DBI Output for AGP Trans. in CMOS? Right now it is disabled.

Thanks,
Starter

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Yes clearing the bios should put the bios back to default.
Follow the procedure in the manual
I would try the agp setting first, then if that doesn't work try the 2 together.
I see the Init Display First showing on page 16 of the manual.

One thing you didn't mention was drivers , since they will be different for the onboard and the agp.
Do you see the 2 video cards in device manager and have you installed drivers for the Agp ?
If you don't get the agp showing without disabling the onboard, you should load default standard vga drivers before disabling.



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Welcome Starter !
I am not familiar with the board, but looking through the bios, the only thing that I can see that might disable the onboard video would be to set the VGA Share Memory Size to disabled.
There is also a setting to set the agp first....> Init Display First > Agp

Have you tried either of these settings ?



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Hi Moderator,

Well...I disabled the shared memory size and now have no video and computer does not post. Will clearing the CMOS fix this? Also, could you be more specific to where the setting to Init Display First>Agp is located in the Bios?

Thanks,

Starter

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

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How to update BIOS in Windows system?
1. Install Winflash utility from driver CD >> Software and update utility >> BIOS flash utility for Windows. 2. Download the proper BIOS file from Biostar website. 3. Follow the instruction from the attached document for BIOS update procedure. Download Winflash BIOS update instruction.
www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/support/faq

ud



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Quote:
Originally Posted by starter
I've been busy, so took awhile to get back to this. Updated bios through the CMOS with bios ending in .bf. Worked flawlessly. Changed AGP Init to AGP. Computer boots up to windows ( I can here wave file ), but still no video. I do have power to the board ( I've made that mistake before ), molex is connected and fan is running. Is AGP slot defective? I thought I had an old PCI card to try as was suggested, but I must have tossed it.
I don't have a floppy drive; any other way to update BIOS?
And I am having the same deal with the board.
There is power, fans spin, drives all work, but my GC (graphics card) displays nothing.

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMB
Ah so for you, you did get it running. Because it was beginning to look like a common problem, but now not so sure.
Did you do anything to disable the onboard video, or it was automatic when you plugged the card in ? Any changes needed in the bios ?

Starter...does your 7600gt have a molex connector on the back end of it, and if it does have you plugged extra power to it ?

Naptimeshadows..double check your usb connections to the board, make sure the pin outs of the case usb header match the mobo, maybe they are misconnected.
I've been busy, so took awhile to get back to this. Updated bios through the CMOS with bios ending in .bf. Worked flawlessly. Changed AGP Init to AGP. Computer boots up to windows ( I can here wave file ), but still no video. I do have power to the board ( I've made that mistake before ), molex is connected and fan is running. Is AGP slot defective? I thought I had an old PCI card to try as was suggested, but I must have tossed it.

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

My computer was orignally a Compaq SR1550NX.
Nothing fantastic.
That's why I decided to upgrade in the first place.

And yes, I have both power plugs (JATXPWR1/JATXPWR2) filled, though my powersupply fills 1 and has a row of overhang.

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

4 pin connector from the chassis ? Any markings on the cable ?
What chassis do you have ?
Since it's from the chassis it's doubtful that it would have any consequence if not connected.

Do both of you have power connected to the JATXPWR2 connector on the board ?



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMB
Ah so for you, you did get it running. Because it was beginning to look like a common problem, but now not so sure.
Did you do anything to disable the onboard video, or it was automatic when you plugged the card in ? Any changes needed in the bios ?

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Naptimeshadows..double check your usb connections to the board, make sure the pin outs of the case usb header match the mobo, maybe they are misconnected.
The VGA worked as a plug and play, and needed no installation. I tried disabling/unistalling it, and got no change.

As far as the USB, I matched up the pins to the plugs accordingly, and none are bent or broken, and the holes aren't filled with dust or anything, so I have no clue why that doesn't work. The only thing is, there IS a 4-pin plug that has no place on the board, as well as my frontal firewire. Do you think that 4-pin could be the power?

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

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The Card DID work, then it stopped.
Ah so for you, you did get it running. Because it was beginning to look like a common problem, but now not so sure.
Did you do anything to disable the onboard video, or it was automatic when you plugged the card in ? Any changes needed in the bios ?

Starter...does your 7600gt have a molex connector on the back end of it, and if it does have you plugged extra power to it ?

Naptimeshadows..double check your usb connections to the board, make sure the pin outs of the case usb header match the mobo, maybe they are misconnected.



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Well, the card only worked on First Boot.
The goofy little Biostar screen was all warped, and once it got to BIOS, it dropped the signal.
But the card/monitor work as normal, but like the computer is off.
When not plugged in, the monitor refuses to respond.
When plugged in, it goes to the Digital Input, then says to check signal.
The fan on the card spins, and the power is plugged into it.
So something happened, I just hope it wasn't the motherboard, even though it's the one that cost me less money :P

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

So, once I locate the BIOS version, I may be able to try it?
Due to my front-case resources not working, I think mine may just be a case of a bad board.
The Card DID work, then it stopped.
So yeah, I am going to try and replace the hardware and try again.

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Quote:
Originally Posted by uddarts
i have 2 biostar micros with pci and have had no problems.

i don't know if this is a similar link to a bios but the fact they list a bios for agp makes me think there is some sort of problem. whether it helps you with your problem.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...s.php?S_ID=141


ud
Thanks,

I had already downloaded these bios, but I'll try an old PCI card and see what happens.

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Quote:
Originally Posted by starter
You can check it when you boot up once you disable the silly Biostar Screen Logo.

Try the link I sent to CMB and that it's .tw

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

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I'm probably going to update my bios. I found this web page when looking for the awdflash file.
www1.biostar.comtw/support/bios/index2.php3
I can't get anything from that link.
Biostar normally have a bios update utility that works from the bios...look in your bios main screen, last menu is upgrade bios.I think all you need is bios file on floppy disk.



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

Sorry it's .tw.

Yes, I will probably use the update in bios and see if that makes the difference.

Thanks,
Starter

starter

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

i have 2 biostar micros with pci and have had no problems.

i don't know if this is a similar link to a bios but the fact they list a bios for agp makes me think there is some sort of problem. whether it helps you with your problem.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...s.php?S_ID=141


ud



AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

POTENTIAL SOLUTION:
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I discovered a very interesting fix for the problem, and wanted to know if Biostar might be able to tell me the issue.

I stumbled upon it by accident. When I was desperately changing BIOS settings, I suspected that, since my problems began when I unplugged the system after it froze in S3 sleep, perhaps the problem is related to the power management properties. I changed the setting for "AC Power Loss Restart" from "Auto" to "Yes." I then saved the BIOS setting and rebooted. At first, the problem still remained (only onboard video displays), but then, later on when I accidentally unplugged the system while it was on, then rebooted, the system powered on immediately when I connected the AC power cord, and the video card was working again!

When I changed the setting back and repeated the process of unplugging the system while it was running and rebooting, the problem returned. But when I changed the setting again, and repeated the process, the problem was fixed.

So far, the system works fine, and I hope it continues to run well.

Clearly, it seems that something related to the power management of the board is related to its ability to automatically detect some AGP cards.

I would like to know if Biostar might be able to enlighten about why this might be.

hotuan87

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

So, still having the issue.
I tried all this, and made no progress.
Any other ideas?

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

I'm having the same problem here, using a Radeon x1650 Pro. Absolutly nothing I try is working at all, and at no point have I ever gotten even a flicker using my ATI card.
I've made many phone calls/emails to Biostar in hope they might do something to fix this, but preparing myself to have to go buy a new motherboard/graphics card. I spose its probably time to upgrade to PCIe anyway.
If anyone finds a for sure way to fix this please please please reply. I'm pulling my hair out at the moment.

Zephon

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

I updates BIOS and got no change.

naptimeshadows

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

I have the exact same problem with my K8M800-m7a motherboard and Radeon x1950pro Graphics card , I was starting to think that my GC was broken .

bjordos

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

that was also my previous problem I encountered on my pc, when I tried to put a video card NVidia FX5200, also I got no display when I switch video connections from on-board to the AGP card. Then I remove the card and switch back connections, install AGP drivers and switch again video connections and reboot my pc, when I already got a display with my connections on my AGP card, I then uninstall the the onboard video drivers on the device manager. I did no tweaking on BIOS as I left it on its optimised setting. So far there's still some problem I've encountered, like no display on my monitor sometime during windows boot-up, but just it okays after a system reboot, my worry is it might crash my hard disk in the long run.

leapling

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

I THINK I FOUND A SOLUTION. It involves the "AC Power Loss Restart" setting in the BIOS under "Power Management."

A detailed description of my problem as well as the solution (both of which I sent to Biostar Tech Support) is attached below. Good Luck!
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SPECIFICATIONS:
Motherboard Model: K8M800 AM2 (version 1.0)
CPU: Athlon 64 X2 3600+ 65nm (1.9GHz)
Memory: 1024MB 667MHz DDRII (Hewlett Packard) x 1PC
Harddrive: Western Digital 160GB PATA-133
Power Supply: 400W
Other Devices: KWorld ATSC110 HDTV Tuner PCI card

Video Card: Visiontek ATI Radeon x1550 256MB AGP8x (upgraded from Leadtek Nvidia GeForce FX5200 128MB AGP8x OEM)
BIOS: 8M80MC29.BF
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate

PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:
I originally built a brand new system using the K8M800 board one and a half months ago using the GeForce FX5200 graphics card. I did not have any issues with the card, except that the system would lock up if I enabled AGP FastWrite (for stability, I left the feature off). I was not satisfied with the card's performance, so I upgraded the card 1 and a half weeks ago to the Radeon x1550 card.

The card worked worked for about 1 week, except for one slight issue. Whenever I left the computer in S3 sleep for many hours, the computer would come out of sleep and become nonresponsive, and the video would not display. Normally, I could fix this by simply powering off the system, and rebooting, but S3 sleep was still an issue.

Just recently, I had the problem that the video would NOT display at all, even after a reboot. I noticed that the system would still boot, and that it was using the Onboard video. The computer works fine if I use the onboard video, but the AGP card would not work at all. Thinking the problem was with the video card, I tested the card in another computer, and it worked fine, making me suspect something else was wrong. I put the card back in, and tried desperately to change BIOS settings to get it work again, and then upgraded the BIOS to 8M80MC29.BF. Nothing worked.

As a last ditch effort, I went to the store, and exchanged the video card for a new one (exact same model). It installed it, and it worked! I concluded the video card was the problem.

However, just this morning, the S3 sleep issue happened again. I powered off the system, and rebooted, and the video still worked, but I quickly pressed the reset button before Windows could boot, since I missed the "Press Del to enter BIOS" prompt (I wanted to disable S3 sleep). After that, the video card stopped working again.

The video card itself seems fine, the motherboard just refuses to use it. I tried forcibly diabling onboard video for AGP, but no such setting exists. I tried setting "VGA Shared Memory" to "disabled", but afterwards, the system just won't boot.

POTENTIAL SOLUTION:
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hotuan87

AGP Slot on K8M800 AM2

I'm probably going to update my bios. I found this web page when looking for the awdflash file.
www1.biostar.comtw/support/bios/index2.php3

starter

starter

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