http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...911711974.html

Looks like some shit is about to go down. Is Kim Jong-Il a crazy enough motherfucker to actually attack South Korea, or is this just international dickwaving?
 

Oh, there's no doubt about that. If North Korea does invade the South, it'll have it's shit totally ruined by the US, S. Korea, and Japan. At that point the US would drop tactical deepstriking Adeptus Astrates, the Japs would unleash Godzilla, and the South would bring in some Dark Templars. China would probably just turn a blind eye to their "ally".

However, what everyone wants is a solution that doesn't result in Seoul being turned into a crater.
 

I'm excited, I hope they videotape the B2 dropping a tactical nuke. Makes a great youtube video.
 

Fucked for troops? lol We have a bunch in Iraq I will admit but fucked? You know how many troops are just sitting on bases in the states? Out right by Korea? We have bases all in the Philippians and near Japan.

I think we could handle N Korea it'd just take really really aggressive bombing and navy blockades/bombardments.

Or S Korea could just challenge them to a winner take all Starcraft game.
 

Trav's post is his reflexive anti-Americanism shining through.

Because you see, the idea that the North Korean government might actually have ambitions and plans of its own independent of the actions of the United States of America is an idea that cannot exist in his brain. No nation acts of its own volition besides the United States. Our power is so staggeringly large and our provocations so frequent that other nations may only react to our transgressions upon them.

The idea that North Korea is, all its own, a paranoid, aggressive police state that wishes to conquer and pillage South Korea is one Trav cannot comprehend. To Trav, the only people in the whole world who do not want to leave other people alone are Americans. Everyone else would just bump along fine if Americans weren't always being imperialists. Seoul and Pyongyang would link arms in joy, Arabs and Jews would dance together in the streets, Arab Sudanese and African Sudanese would stop their civil war, a popular and effective government would magically appear out of thin air in Mogadishu, all of this and more would happen if America would just allow people to live their lives and stop constantly having to resist our aggression.

It's hilarious bullshit, but it is typical international relations analysis from people like Trav. You won't find a post on any foreign issue involving America for the past three years that he has not conclusively defined as America's fault.

Yeah except this isn't 1953 and no new Korean War would last long enough to involve large numbers of American soldiers even if there weren't 200,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This also isn't 1953 where the South Korean army is some just-created barely-functioning military force. They have one of the largest and strongest armies in the world. Something like 500,000 active troops.

Aya please try using your brain instead of just spouting some instinctive anti-Bush nonsense. It took three months in 1950 to get enough soldiers to Korea to stop the North, and that was with hundreds of thousands of them only a few hundred miles away in Japan. If US soldiers were at their home bases right now instead of Iraq, it would take a similar amount of time to get them to Korea as it did to get them to Kuwait in 2003. It took eight months to move 250,000 soldiers and their equipment to Kuwait for the initial invasion of Iraq. It would take at least that long to get that many to Korea. There's no way any new Korean War would last that long.

If you're going to bash Bush please at least show some regard for the laws of physics and all that.
 

Country X sends in team. Assassination takes place. Everyone denies knowing who did it. Official investigation "turns up nothing."

Honestly, the world community could learn a lot about coverups from the USA.
 

Because it's against international law. I'm pretty sure the Geneva Convention says it's bad. Now if war does break out, then we can totally blow that troll doll to hell and back.

Oh and point of interest, if the Korean War resumes, I believe the countries who contributed to the UN force back in the 50s might have to get involved again. I know would.

Kim Jong is totally ripping off the first Mercenaries game.

Saw on CNN, one of their military experts believes this is just saber rattling, because Kim Jong is in poor health and he's trying to set the stage for his son to eventually take over.

Also, can we send someone to Texas to kick Bush in the balls? We're fucked for troops if this situation goes hot.
 

Your point? If NK's leadership keeps acting like a bunch of blowhards like ol' Saddam Hussein, they are going to end up like ol' Saddam Hussein.
 

Except North Korea actually has nukes, and ol' Kimmy is crazy enough to use them.
 

It's worth noting that the statement quoted by Kaizen's first post is in response to the US and South Korea's invokation of a treaty to search North Korea's ships for WMD.

This entire fiasco started weeks ago when North Korea launched a test-missile into the one of its surrounding seas, to the alarm of Japan. They then also detonated a test-nuclear warhead underground. They then launched more test-missiles recently, and in response the US and South Korea invoked the treaty to search ships.

So to say that "this is a provocation of the US" is like saying that a cop is provoking a fight by attempting to search you after you've been firing shots around the local swimming hole. A more reasonable, logical explanation would be that Kim Il-Jong, who has been suffering poor health, is attempting to ward off potential hostilities as his successor takes over the reins of his communist dynasty. His country is in dire straits, and in keeping with Il-Jong's psychotic rule to this point, he seems to believe more guns and more bombs is going to produce a viable economy and functional business infrastructure.

Otherwise, quoting North Korean officials to determine the effectiveness of war tactics against them is like asking the Chinese to provide proof of their female gymnast's ages. They're dependent upon foreign aid to feed their people, since the embargoes against them are so ineffective. It's worth noting that both China and Russia, their historic allies during their aggressive displays, have backed away from their recent behavior. If this is simply a ploy by the US, it's going fabulously better than anyone could have ever hoped.
 

"Reacting to the council deliberations, North Korea's state media poured scorn on efforts to implement new sanctions.

"It is a ludicrous idea for the US to think that it can defeat us by sanctions," Minju Joson, the North's official cabinet newspaper, said.

"We have been living under US sanctions for decades. The US hostile policy towards us is like beating a rock with a rotten egg.""
 

This is an American provocation:

"But the move has provoked an angry reaction from the North which warned on Wednesday that any interception of its ships would constitute an "unpardonable infringement" on its sovereignty which would be met with "merciless punishment".

"Any tiny hostile acts against our republic, including the stopping and searching of our peaceful vessels... will face an immediate and strong military strike in response," it said in a statement by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

Saying that the US had drawn South Korea into the PSI, the North Korean statement said it would also "no longer be bound" by the 1953 armistice that ended the Korean War.

Without a binding ceasefire "the Korean peninsula will go back to a state of war", a North Korean military representative was quoted as saying, adding that the North's troops would take "corresponding military action"."

I'm tired of tinkers. Why this PSI and why the pressure on North Korea? In an effort to curb "threats" the U.S. creates them.
 

Why has no one sent in an assassin squad to kill Kim Jong II yet? It looks so easy in the movies...
 

All I know is that the ZERG RUSH made me laugh my ass off.
 

I remember right after 9/11 all the anti-Muslim propaganda began to circulate. Even people on this forum promoted this view, Chaos was a great example.

We have ALWAYS been at war with Islam!

They then go on to create this imagined geography of western civilization versus "Islamic civilization" that has been going on for thousands of years. However, if the enemy were China they could just as easily reinvent another imagined geography and cultural clash, citing the Mongol invasions as "proof." Or what about communism? Yes communism was "unlike any other threat we have ever faced." If we don't fight the communists in Vietnam then we can kiss our way of life goodbye -- sound familiar?
 

I've decided to research the issue quite a bit. I was pretty ignorant on the entire issue and from what I've researched its safe to say that North Korea is just saber rattling. With Kim Jong on his death bed hes trying to "create" an image for his son to take over with so that he has a "stronger power base" to take off for when he takes control of North Korea. NK won't risk a war or any sort of situation that threatens their sovereignty over their nation. It makes me wonder why we even care at this point. If we decided to ignore North Korea (includes media coverage) they'd probably stop their nonsense.
 

Unsupported assertion. It is the mass proliferation of the most dangerous weapons to all nations that makes the world a whole lot safer. You advocate an unbalanced situation of power.

The nation possessing the strongest weaponry always becomes corrupt and starts using it in criminalistic ways. It justifies it of course under the guise of the most noble intentions.
 

As opposed to all those third world tinpot dictators that believe the End Times are upon us and that God/Allah/whatever chose them to kick it off? Or the ones that are batshit insane ideologues and just want to kill their neighbors, no matter the international repercussions?

The road to world peace is through less weapons proliferation, not more.
 

We've always been at war with Eurasia Eastasia
 

Why is it nonsense, Chaos?

Are you claiming the government has no vested interest in the creation of "threats"?
 

because US of A is practically the world police and a police force with better weaponry makes a place a whole lot safer..as in more controllable..
 

No I am not kidding. Please explain to me why it is ok for countries like the US to test out all kinds of different new weapons and to sustain nuclear arsenals with thousands of warheads and noone seems to blink an eye, while whenever North Korea or Iran decide to test or develop their own weapons (basically doing the SAME thing that the US does on a regular basis), bigots like yourself start crying about it.
 

Are you kidding?

That's nonsense and you know it is Pizza I'm moderately surprised you agreed with it.
 

It sounds like a conspiracy the way you frame it, but you're right - just want to point out that the origination of the problem is actually systemic, not conspiratorial, and that's exactly what happens.
 

Well, if N. Korea did try to use a nuke, there wouldn't be much need for troop movements, as it would be reduced to a burning radioactive cinder by the US et al.
 

Mobilizing wouldn't be an issue for my unit as well. The only thing that makes me scratch my head equipment wise is IBAs because my unit doesn't have any. We have the ACHs already, mainly because we're required to wear them since we work with Humvees a lot. Other than that, it wouldn't be to hard to get ammo. The most troublesome part I'd see my unit under going would be a switch from counter-insurgency training to general warfare tactics. Such as flanking, general movements, etc. That would take a few weeks of extra training.
 

Can somebody tell me why there is so much American bigotry revolving around this issue? Why exactly is everyone so fucking scared of developing nations testing their weaponry?
 

Without nations like NK or Iran, the U.S. and its massive military industrial complex collects dust. Many bureaucrats would have to do real work. They don't want this, so it's important to always create "threats" and "criminals" or "terrorists" so you can justify the existence of your money-sink programs.
 

Thats not true our armory has all the weapons there locked in a safe and the equipment stored in another building. All of our trucks are regularly maintenanced once a month and we could mobilize pretty damn quickly if we needed to. The only thing we lack is ammunition and explosives but we could aquire that quickly too if we needed.

Because Kim was so afraid of Bush....oh wait..no he was doing the exact same shit while Bush was in office, and of course Bush didn't do shit about it because he can't. McCains dumbass would probably have invaded Iran in which case I would have had the oppurtunity to watch your dumbass get fragged in combat after you and everyone here got drafted.
 

Its only a matter of time before he shoots at one of our ships. Then we can watch the missile camera footage of the "million man army" being destroyed as well as a recreation of "death highway" for future history channel soldier biographies.
 

You know N. Korea and S. Korea have been engaged in naval battles in this decade, right?

You sound as clueless as Obama143.
 

 

Not necessarily. We have about 40,000 troops stationed in South Korea, 60,000 troops stationed in Germany, and god knows how many National Guard (lol Guard) and Army Reservists stationed state side. The troop numbers do exist, the problem would be mobilizing us to the Korean peninsula in time to do anything. By the time we would be ready to deploy to Korea the US Navy Carrier group more than likely would've destroyed the NKA.

Edit: I didn't read the entire thread before, but I just saw this

While most of us are in the logistics and support field you're forgetting that we're also trained for infantry combat. Although, we don't have the extra three to four weeks that a true 11B has most of the support and logistics soldiers can quickly be given that extra training to fight. It would be a inconvienance at the most.
 

Those soldiers have no equipment it is in the field. There is reserve equipment stored that could be quickly activated but it would take some time, a matter of weeks probably. That could be a decisive amount of time.

I think he's doing it because he's on his deathbed and he thinks Obama is a weak buffoon so he's pushing for all he can get so his son will be in the strongest position possible when he dies. I think if George Bush or John McCain were president this second test would not have happened. Because if either of them were there'd be the threat of some full carrier battle groups steaming for Korea and that's stakes too high for Mr. Kim.

Nah dude. North Korea's main threat to the South is that it has 35,000 rockets and/or artillery pieces within range of the 10.4 million people who live in Seoul. North Korea knows that it couldn't invade and conquer South Korea. Their whole bargaining position is that if you piss us off enough we'll slaughter two or three million South Koreans in the matter of a few days.

As for common sense I'm sorry but there are certain laws to the universe at least regarding the activities of humans and what your president is doing... there is an inevitable and painful conclusion to this horrible story your president is writing in Washington.
 

Probably not, i find it very funny.
 

"I don't think that anybody in the (Obama) administration thinks there is a crisis," Gates told reporters aboard his military jet early Friday."


 

North Korea has been sabre rattling for decades now, and the international community hasn't been buying it. If you are an egomaniac dictator, would you stop rattling and prove them right, or show a little of the blade and up the ante?

Insane though he is, Jong-il is somewhat smart enough to know that he is in no position to take it to the limit.
 

Well it was made by Microsoft. ZING!

The UN can't wipe its ass without a non-binding resolution. China or Russia would go against it.
 

Lulz. Apparently your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning.

Also: I'm pretty sure that the entire UN could find a way to covertly agree on the assassination of a pain in the ass without it devolving into an FFA.
 

Yes, because that worked sooo well back in the 60s when the CIA assassinated Castro. Oh wait, they didn't. Six attempts, all failures. Let me ask you this, if we did go and send a wet works team to kill Kim Jong, don't you think everyone would have a pretty damn good idea who did it? Then there's the backlash. Other countries might figure "Well shit, if they can do it, so can we." and suddenly it really sucks to be in any Secret Service.

I agree, that does sound silly.

Why do I keep agreeing with you!?

True, I concede that point. However, having additional troops in S. Korea right now and the ability to deploy more would be a nice deterrent. That and we can threaten to raise MacArthur from the dead.

I know. Infact, someone at another forum posted a story about how in 'Nam during the Tet Offensive, VC commanders were telling their people not to fuck with the S. Korean soldiers, at least unless they had way more numbers.

It wasn't anti-Bush kneejerking. Do you really think Kim Jong would've detonated a second nuke or canceling treaties if he didn't think we had our hands tied?

1. That was the 1950s. Fifty years later and I'm pretty sure we have better airlift tech to move soldiers around faster. Plus, with the original outbreak in Korea, we got caught with our pants down, thus we had to scramble.

2. I never said we could get them there lickity split or that we even have to. The threat of having a good many soldiers and their equipment flooding in and kicking your ass back across the 38th is good enough.

Just like you ignore the laws of common sense? But whatever, Bush has been out of office for four months now, so lets just move on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deploym...tates_Military

According to that, we have thirty-two thousand in Japan and a whopping 95 in the Philippines. Now I know our troops are badass, but I think we're going to need more than 95. I'd say 300?

Also, we seem to have fifty-seven thousand in Germany. Apparently we're making damn sure there's no Fourth Reich.

As for the homefront, we have over 800 thousand in the mainland alone. Quite a bit, but keep this in mind - not all of them are combat soldiers. It seems people tend to forget that. Yes are our army is over a million and a half strong, but not all of them are frontline soldiers. A lot of that 800 thousand are support personnel - cooks, clerks, doctors, nurses, bean counters, dentists. I don't think we're that desperate, to send accountants and oral hygienists to battle. Although, the North Koreans would die with clean teeth and their checkbook's balanced.

I never said we wouldn't be able to handle them. Our Navy and Air Force are our main weapons at this point, but if it came to a ground war, we might be a bit of trouble. Unless we send in those 95 soldiers from the Philippines.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070521
 

He is probably dead already
 

Well even if they have nukes, it's not like they would use them on the south... You can't be that retarded. Radiations would fuck up their own country.
 

http://www.iwindsurf.com/windandwhere.iws?regionID=1275
 

This is Kim Jong-Il. His nation literally worships him and his father as gods. He also abducted a South Korean movie director once to shoot a personal movie for him. So yes, he is that retarded.
 

Could fill it with water after. Make a big ass swimming pool. Sounds fun.