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Anyone else watched it? Pretty freaking cheesy but great at the same time. Can't wait for next week samurai vs viking, that's gonna be a close one. Apache vs gladiator was kinda unfair though. Once you get a far better range, there's not much ways you can lose.
 

I though it was great!
 

Just as I thought. Apache wins at range, Gladiator up close.
 

Wouldn't a Samurai vs a Medieval Knight be an evenly matched fight? Vikings don't seem to compare to a Samurai.
 

Vs a knight would be unfair imo. Knights have so much more armor. Don't let animes blind reality, a katana can't cut everything so easily and especially not armors made especially to counter slashing weapons like the knights armors. Indeed, the knights had to wear those to counter the muslisms slashing swords during the crusades. Furthermore, the knights had a lot more experience against different types of weapons and enemies considering their position in Europe. On the contrary, the samurais only fought against themselves and other close asian nations like China and Korea which basically use the same kind of weapons and armors and possibly similar kind of techniques.

Another point to add is that knights are not as slow as they like to show it in games and popular culture. Of course, they will be slower than the samurai but I not as much as one would think.

Well at least that's what various sources on subject said. It makes a lot of sens imo. If you want me to actually find back those documents I could.
 

A Katana was designed to be used against unarmored opponents. While it could easily cut through bamboo armors and the like, any sort of metallic armor would give it problems. If a knight was wearing platemail, he would be very well guarded against the katana. The main disadvantage with armor is the movement restriction. A samurai could take advantage of that and exploit a weak point.

Arrows can also exploit weak points in a knight's armor and the bow and arrow were primary weapons used by samurai.
 

16 year old American with AK-47.
 

The Apache versus Gladiator was damn entertaining. I especially liked the appearance by Chuck Liddell. I thought they gave too much credit to the Sling, however. The amount of practice it would take to have even modest accuracy with such a weapon would be immense. I also thought classifying the Apache's knife as a medium range weapon was odd, considering nearly every dramatized clip they showed had the Apache cutting throats and hurling tomahawks instead.

Viking is going to win hands down. Huge Scandinavian versus a lithe Japanese? That alone tips the scales.

What are some of the matchups you guys are hoping for?

Mongol Horseman versus Heavy Mounted Knight
Shaolin versus Zulu Warrior
 

I'd like to see that too for sure.

Ninja vs pirate (they have to do that one)
Mayan warriors vs Aztec warriors
Egyptian warriors vs Spartans
 

This is one of the most inventive/coolest shows I've seen in a long, long time.

Watching ep#2 live as we speak. <3
 

That was pretty close. I was kinda expecting it because of the range once again but still, pretty close. Next week will be just retarded, spartan vs ninja? Wow... They had to do ninja vs pirate :'( In any case, this is pretty much gonna be apache vs gladiator all over again. Brute force vs assassin. My bet is on the ninja and I'm probably gonna be pissed if he lose.
 

Great show. Just so entertaining. I'd actually like if they showed a bit more science during the show. You know, actually telling me the numbers in Force, Velocity, etc. But I'm not complaining. It's been awesome to watch. I wonder how long it takes for them to run out of combatants.
 

What a load of bullshit.

The first category got my hopes up, when after the obligatory katana-wanking the vikings asked them to try cut through a shirt of maile and watched as it utterly failed, that they might have put some thought into this. But longsword vs. naginata? Even though they gave the edge to the Viking, a spear would have been a far better comparison.

It got progressively worse with the long-range category. Clearly Vikings never, ever used bows and arrows themselves. And the Viking is just going to stand still while the Samurai snipes his eyes. What a horribly lop-sided comparison. The last was pure WTF. Honestly, a kanabo? Something the Samurai rarely used, against something that's not even suppose to be a primary weapon? I laughed when the 'expert' tried to talk trash about using a shield in battle. Yeah, you go die honorably, that's how you win a battle.

The final conclusions they gave were just the same crap: samurai is smarter (lol simple-minded Western barbarian), has better armor and weapons (because clearly strips of metal and leather are better than maile and a shield) and is faster (lol slow-moving Western barbarian). The only silver lining was that, despite such a heavily biased comparison, the Samurai only barely beat the Viking 522-488.

I would just give up on this series now, but with the next episode I'm curious as to which wanking will be stronger, Ninjas or THIS IS SPARTA!

A movement restriction that is blown all out of proportions. A knight in full plate armor would just laugh as the katana harmlessly slides off his armor, then bash the samurai in the face with a war hammer.
 

Hahahahaha my thoughts exactly lupino. The showdowns at the end are always pretty dumb even though they are somewhat cool at the same time. But yeah, the viking literally watched the samurai shoot arrows on him without moving. The apache vs gladiator fight was worst though. The gladiator basically won, he was sitting on the apache and punching him in the face but then he decided to just to stop for unknow reasons and get killed.
 

I seriously doubt that a Knight could beat a Samurai. Yes, the slashing effect of the katana would just make the knight laugh. Whoopty fucking doo.

The Samurai were smart. If they knew they would go up against a heavily armored foe, they would make it so the enemy would never see them face to face. More or less, arrow volleys and guerrilla warfare.
 

Seriously, guerrilla warfare? This isn't the modern day where you blow up a bomb with a cell phone from half a mile away or lay mines in the middle of the road. The samurai would have to confront the knight in hand-to-hand, where he'll get stomped.

And yeah, a yumi, that'll scare a plate-armored opponent. Not like he's practically immune to arrows or anything
 

that's a quite stupid myth based on people observing and using armor made for tournaments (which ofcourse was havier since the whole point of thing was not to die it's also the most perserved form of plate armor, since the combat one was usualy molten down after the dead of the wearer to produce a new one) not the one used in actual combat. there are mentions of knights in full plate armor doing all sort of crazy acrobatic things which you wouldn't expect them to do

plate armor was tailor made for each invidual as to equaly destribute the weight and offer the best posible balance, anyone who ever wore plate armor made for him will tell you that fighthing in it is rather easy and not restrictive at all, most good armor was around 20kg, which is less than modern combat gear (it's also like said, much more even in the distribution since it covers a larger part of the body), you could run and jump in the thing without problems

I realy can't belive why this myth can't just die already -.-

beacose the knight didn't have a shield and he would just stand there taking the arrow like the viking on the show right?
knights faces fast oponents in very light gear, samurais never faced a knight in full plate and a shield and wouldn't know where to start. there is a reason samurais were buying plate armor from the europeans in the 16th century

and contruary to yet another popular belive, knights also weren't just brutes, there are a lot of martial arts that were used in the middle ages but are now lost, dealing and describing how to use the sword effective a slicing or thrusting weapon (the most know is some manual about this from an italian sword master) and also about combat without wepons, how to disarm your opponet etc
 

Exactly! They were smart too, actually much more technologically advanced than the samurai considering their proximity to so much more nations than the samurais which obviously favored science growth.
 

I think in the one on one last night the Viking should have won. I mean ya I like samuris but comeon one hit from that great ax shreds his armor and breaks bones/skull. That guy would have gotten so fucked up. His only chance was the spear and bow.

And they were making the fighter use each individually I doubt the viking would have used the shield just to thrust forward he would have a hand ax or the short sword behind it. And no matter how bust it became I doubt he discard it so easily.

And next week ninja vs Spartan? O comeon the Spartan has like bronze armor with tons of skin showing and there letting the ninja use wat looks like poisin arrows. The Spartan is only good in a phalanax he's gonna get raped unless the ninja just has like no weapons.
 

this is my main beef with it
the bald guy even freaking showed how a viking dealt blows with his axe after he sucessfully blocked an atack with the shield, he even showed more than just one blow, he demonstrated how to hit when you blocked low, when you blocked high etc, why that didn't come up in the final battle I have no idea and throwing away a perfectly usefull shield is another stupid thing (which the bald guy again pointed out, honestly that guy was probably near beating someone up with all the insulting going on about the inteligence of vikings and all the missconceptions flying around) the shield was still usefull and would have been used, the only thing that would force a warrior to throw away his shield was a spear stuck in it since you just can't fight with it anymore (a tactic the romans exploited to death with the pilum :P)), just like just standing there while you get shot 2 times at the begining

the other problem is that they didn't test the other weapons on armor, they did it with the katana and great axe (althrough the main atack with a great axe was chopping from the side, not a hit on top of the most protected part of the body, but whatever), if they want to make any fair comparison they should have used the bow on a dummy that had chain mail + fur on him, they should have used the spear on samurai armor etc

oh and gotta love the custodes^^
 

Samurai shoulda been second. By stats alone, the Samurai wins on technique and weapons. However, what fucking Samurai is gonna have one of those [insert the name of the large wooden stick with the metal balls in it here] with them at all times? From what I understand, it was a heavy and unwiedly weapon. In fact, during the "battle" sequence, the Samurai just so happens to find one on the ground! Amazing!

Admitably, I like how they pointed out that despite the fact the Viking shield wasn't broken by it, the amount of force would have broken the Viking's arm anyway. That's the reason the Viking discarded his sheild in the battle scene; his fucking arm couldn't take it anymore. I also like how the show realistically portrays physical damage; the Samurai was limping and a bit shrunk up from damage when he left the battlefield. Meanwhile, the Viking had only a (albiet fatal) stab wound, and a broken arm.

Unlike the Samurai, the Viking had everything he needed with him: his bow, which Vikings did use, his lances (though two woulda been a stretch), his axe, and his shield. The axe would have had some difficulty penetrating a thick layer of leather and metal strips, but it would have gotten the samurai easy. Viking should have had the narrow edge of victory, not the other way around.

Did anyone else think that the whole Samurai "Let's hit the Viking in the head with my bow!" deal was hilarious? That, and the Vikings face when the arrow struck his helmet That whole ranged-weapon deal was stupidly funny. Even though the samurai fell down when the Viking threw the spear, did he even get hit? I couldn't tell myself. Either way, the samurai sword wouldn't have cut the chainmail, but the [stick and ball thing] would have done some serious damage...had the Samurai been carrying one at the time. Which he hadn't. But hey, I found a katana laying on the street one time, so it's totally legit to find random, specialty-themed weapons just laying there on the ground, amiright?

Anyway, I agree that the "Ninja vs. Spartan" is gonna be too easy for the ninja. No ninja would ever come into direct conflict with a warrior; they prefer stealth and assassin techniques to brute force and cunning. Plus, Spartans had bronze armor and leather - what fuckin Ninja can't break through that shit?
 

So who's turning the t.v. on tonight? I was gonna watch it but then "life after humans" play at the same time on history channel so I'll probably have to split between the 2. I will still watch the final battle for sure though.
 

I'm watchin it now. And spoiler Alert hamsters rule the world.
 

BULLSHIT! His shield, his shield, blah blah, the spartan would have been dead when the ninja was gonna jump on him no way he could have just sensed him and turn around. Also when the spartan felt to the ground it was pretty much GG too.

But really, it's because of the weapon choice they used. Ninja were so much more technologically advanced, they would have used explosive weapons against the spartan and that's it, the end, no more gay bronze padding. Smoke bomb + old fashioned grenade and that's it, no more spartan.
 

Obviously Omar is the deadliest warrior.
 

They love to focus on them there special weapons. When it was Samurai vs. Viking, that damn [steel balls in stick weapon] turned the tide of battle, yet I doubt a Samurai would normally carry this with his other gear.

Now, in this one, the beginning of the conflict is what pissed me off. The thing should have been a tie; had they gone one-on-one, Ninja loses. But, had the Ninja been the instigator, using the setting to his advantage, the Ninja would have won. Admittedly, the shield was a very big factor, since it was strong enough, and wide enough, to help the Spartan block potential attacks. However, if he doesn't see the attack coming...one stealth blowgun kill, please.
 

Plus fucking rep!
 

Being the instigator or not, once he meet the spartan, all he has to do is throw him a black egg, run away(the ninja is way more faster than the spartan so getting away from him shouldn't be a problem), hide, wait for that spartan fool to come by and dart his eyes to death.
 

Honestly, I think that Ninja vs Spartan would be an interesting fight. IMO, the ninjas only real option would be to sever the Spartans spear arm/hamstring using a surprise attack then run hoping to let him bleed out, as I dont see how he could reliably get darts in his eyes with how they regularly hold their shields, it would be too easy to block.
 

By surprise of course. If he had the time like I said to get away and hide in a good spot where he can shoot his darts then there's no problem. An alternative would be to shoot him in his neck. But yeah if you remove the element of surprise then yeah there's no way the ninja could bypass the shield.
 

The whole problem with this is that in a one on one in broad day light I see the spartan the winner everytime I mean he just has too much armor and that huge ass shield to block all the ninjas big attacks though blow dart and such. But in RL that would never go down like that. There's reason the ninja didn't have big heavy armor and wore all black its not to try to hide in fucking day time. I picked the Spartan to win in this one because his bad ass fighting skills and armor. But if this was at night ninja 90% of the time.
 

Spartans were nothing by themselves, they were effective when in numbers due to their phallanx formation. this is not like 300 where each spartan runs off killing hundreds of enemies by himself.
 

Of course thats truth but there not horrible warriors by themselves and they stil had armor on there side.
 

Ok I justed watched last week episode that I missed. This show officially suck now. Fucking retarded homo pirate won against the knight because of a fucking grenade that doesn't even pass the full plate armor. Fuck this show. I don't even give a crap about today mafia vs yakuza, they can both suck my ass.
 

Man, I haven't been able to watch the last two episodes. They just won't load.
 

mafia won btw

Their brute force and better weapons kicked the flashy weapons of the yakuza. It was 3 for Mafia & 2 for yakuza. Mafia won like 70% of the time or sumtin like that.


(next week is US Green Berets vs Russian Spetsnaz)
 

Man, Green Berrets lost. Don't think it would happen in real life though. That episode was bullshit, Green Berrets have much better equipment really (and it wasn't shown in the episode). And those Spetsnaz gus, are they for real? Where do you even find Spetsnaz people? And who the fuck does sommersaults while shooting, or shoots pistols with one hand? They were all like "we can take pain, rawr". It almost funny, since knowing how to resist punches and fight hand to hand is useless when people have firearms. But as I said, I doubt those guys where really Spetsnaz. And the tests were differnt for each team...

The US army is the best equipped army out there right now, and the Russians are kinda poor. They should've set this is 70s or something, during the cold war.


And they all kinda sucked at the handgun thing, lol.
 

A Staff Sergeant and a Sergeant First Class at my unit were pissed off about it. They called the entire thing bullshit.
 

It's always bullshit if you think about though, it's just that it directly concerns them this time. Well, this episode was especially bullshit.

I was disappointed because I thought modern Green Berets would've kicked Russian ass with all the modern equipment and training they have now. But they didn't even test the minimi or the m203, such a shame.
 

Yeah, when you get down to it, the entire show is bullshit. They factor nothing of the training and environment the two opposing forces encounter, much less how "lucky" each is. For example, if the ninja had fought the spartan during the nighttime, I think we would have seen a different outcome.

Personally, I still think the Viking was cheated, being that the Samurai just happened upon that big, metal-ball-weapon thing and all on the ground...but hey, the whole show's bullshit. They just do these match ups for the ratings, and then they probably laugh about it afterwords.
 

Yeah it's far from being pure science. Every time I hear the tech guy say " I had to tweak the program so hard because of this matchup" I lol, he really didn't do anything to it. What the hell is that program anyways. They keep talking about it, it supposedly hold the absolute truth about everything but honestly it's complete crap.
 

It's still fun though.
 

They should do Jedi vs Ninja.