As we all live in a free countries, I'd like to give my protest against shutting down the SC section on Blizzforums.
I know that you (admins of SC:L) want to have a bigger promotion on your site and forums (cause SC:L forums were always not very popular) but understand that we need such section here.
Ok now who is with me?
 

I think it's ridiculous to try and coerce people to the new forums. If the forums are better, people will go there. This all seems like a very cheap way to force traffic to SCL.

If anything, reduce this forum to a single Starcraft forum and you can "speciailize" with 100 different sub-forums at SCL. To completely cease all discussions on a forum that has been discussing this stuff for a decade....that's just silly.
 

Yeah, i want to stick to Blizzforums, i really don't to move to the SC:L forums.
 

Good that I have you on my side and I think the same Nuts.

The SC:L Staff should let people decide which forum they want to choose.

I already talked with few members from here on steam and they were also kinda disappointed about this fact.
 

I just sent a PM to LoA, for what it's worth.
 

i was born in this forums and ill die in this forum, since joining i have not once ever ever liked any other, this one is the only one i like and that's how it'll be until sc2 comes if they pull this forum, ill just go not knowing until it comes out.
 

Hope that he understands the need of this section here.
It made Blizzforums more popular and I for example moved to other forums here.

I wouldn't post in: "Post your picture", "Astrofoto", "Photographers Corner", "Chit Chat", "General Discussion", "Gaming forums", "Computer Discussion" and many many other subforums.
The place will never be the same without SC Discussion.

Also look at StarCraft Strategy section, SD's and other people's small world. I started to play StarCraft tournaments again.
 

I don't think anyone is really enjoying this move at the moment Spychi. :P

I'll miss this place as much as anyone else. BF has been pretty much the only internet forum I've ever posted on, since '02. But that's when you have to snap back to reality - having separate userbases is very bad for SC:L, and integrating the databases is too hard, let alone having to redirect users to another site anyway. We had massive downtimes last time we tried to have integrated userbases. If anyone with coding knowledge wants to take a crack at doing so, they're welcome to try - we always accept help when we can get it. However, it's not going to happen. We have had so many coders that sign on & are ready to work, but virtually none are dedicated enough to get past the talking stages, so it won't be happening. SC:L is run by a volunteer staff. At the end of the day, when you compare the amount of work required to do this with how much time we actually have, it just doesn't pay off. We have to be pragmatic.
 

then why bother having forums over at that legacy site at all?
 

Well, the part that is illogical to me the most is that now this site will be used for discussion on WarCraft and Diablo, while the StarCraft stuff is moved to SC:L just to help generate that site traffic. How can you truly have a "Blizzforums" and only talk about 2/3 of their series?

However, what I find pretty pathetic is that you gave the SC:S people 24 hours to basically shut up and leave. Here, I was beginning to make some progress with getting a community doing some events and I think we were slowly starting to build up a good group of people. Now you just tell them, "alright, enough, you're forced to move here or else." Clearly you over at SC:L don't know what the meaning of a community is, because otherwise you wouldn't be blackballing people by forcing them to join your collective.

Look, I understand the work that goes into the site and I also understand that you probably don't like the thought of trying to integrate the userbases and I understand all of those concerns. However, the fact that you decided to spring this up just for the sake of springing it up, is ludicrous.

This is the second time that I have been directly and indirectly blackballed by the actions of SC:L Staff. Personally, I think you learn a lot about the character of the people running these websites based on their actions when they have a gold mine opportunity to take advantage of something special(in this case a new layout and a new site). What sort of message are you as a staff sending? Think about that.
 

Gradius, I think I can speak for every here when I say that we don't care if we have to retain separate user accounts at both forums. If you want to hold sanctioned events at SCLegacy, that's fine. Everyone posting at Blizz will have no expectations when it comes to special events, promotions, games, etc.

In fact, that's a great way to get people to sign up over there instead of forcibly denying them forums on B.F. Show some ingenuity and give people a reason to sign up, don't just assume that everyone will scamper over like a bunch of sheep.

I've seen several companies do exactly what is being done here (for profit of course) by telling a fraction of their customers that the can no longer buy directly from them and that they will be forced to buy from another distributor. Guess what, they always end up losing market share, always. Is that what you wish to do here?
 

We're not much of a "Blizzforums" right now either to tell you the truth. :P

The 24 hours is not my deadline. There will also be a notice (hopefully) telling people where they have moved. We're not "forcing you to join our collective". I tried to set up the StarCraft: Brood War forum so that it could solely be for you SCS folks. The mapping discussion goes on in a subforum, and the lore discussion is only allowed in the StarCraft II forum. Assuming you're a true community the only thing that's changed is you have a different place to post.

What did you expect? "Oh hay guys, just dropping by to say that your forum will be gone in 24 hours. No biggie". No. The fact that we're moving needs to be made starkly clear. I apologize if it seems like I just sprung this on you guys, but I sincerely wanted to make sure you're actually ready to move, and not surprised later when the forum actually does shut down.


EDIT: I think that much of the stigma for the move comes from the fact that the SC:L forums, in their current state, look nowhere near as good as BF. But keep in mind that the graphics for them were done by a coder, no real gfx work has yet been done on them, and the width issue will soon be fixed.
 

How about asking if people want to move?

I mean....we are the customers here, in a non-profit member group sort of way.

Without members, you don't have a forum.
 

What if people will start to boycott SC:L forums and will start to delete their accounts or they will not post?
Did you thought of such possibility?
 

Why you don't just use this forums into sclegacy? Make a little sclegacy header, and open blizzforums into a lower frame.
Hell, you can even create some skins for blizzforums to match the sclegacy theme, and allow the user to choose his skin of choice, making sclegacy's skin the default.
To be honest, sclegacy's forums never had too much traffic.

I agree 100% with this. I tried sclegacy's forums, and honestly, blizzforums is much better to use.
Not asking for any opinions from the community before doing something like this, then saying "boards will be closed in 24hs, gg no re" isn't the worst of humanity's mistakes, but it's very, very close.
 

I think the one vote for "no" was for the lulz or someone really needs to find a doctor.

I wasn't sure if this thread could pass our censorship here and I was kinda scared being smack'd by the Banhammer, but I see that we can make a polite demonstration here
 

I've said it before. BF is the SC:L forums. Why the admin insist it should be otherwise is beyond me. The new SC:L layout has 4 sections - News, SC2, SC:BW, and Other. No other site has such a PALTRY sampling of forums. I understand that SC is the main focus of the site, but even TeamLiquid has a "Sports other than SC" section. Shoving EVERYTHING non-SC into "Off-Topic Lounge" is absurd. I went to SC:L for my news, my facts. Then I came here to talk about it. It worked fine, and I'm not the only person who did so and thinks so.
 

LoA and staff are just showing us exactly whose opinion they care about and it's not ours. Removing this section from Blizzforums and telling us to move to SC:L forums is bullshit. I already made another account there but i will now be using it. They are destroying this forum for their own agendas and what we have to say will go straight out the window. I guess the battle.net forum will be my new home.
 

I agree with everything said here except for that 6.67% lol
 

Of course people won't want to move. I don't want to move. But it must be done, as I've already explained. You act like it's a simple matter of deciding whether we want to leave or stay.

Our own agenda? You make it sound like we're making a profit from this website or something as opposed to laboring on it for free so that you guys will like it. Until you join the staff or decide to code for us & integrate the databases yourself, I'd appreciate it if you would at least show some respect for the effort that we put towards this community, because we clearly care about it more than you do.
 

Of course it's a decision, but one that need not be black and white as you seem to believe.
 

We'll do our best to try to accommodate both sides.
 

Gradius, I don't think it so much about your site, as it doesnt make much sense for this forum to be shut down at all. Who's deadline is it? Who's idea was it to shut down the sc forum here?

I mean if no one is posting here, then people will naturally move over there, but forcing everyone to move there just to talk about anything sc related is kind of messed up. I understand that "you'll miss blizzforums too", but you act like everything is forced upon you. If you are forced to leave blizzforums by someone, tell us that, don't just say "Well I dont want to go too, and its not my deadline".

It really doesn't make any sense to shut this forum down, so we are all trying to make sense of it.
 

Respect? Oh like how you guys are respecting us by removing the BF Sc forums and telling us to move or do without? Where in that post did i say i didn't care about the community? You guys put alot of effort into SC:L and it looks good. You clearly have an agenda whether it's for site traffic or whatever. You give me one reason why you HAVE to get rid of these forums.
 

That's all we ask. (I suspect I speak for most here.)
 

Except that that's not true:
Check & mate.

1) If nobody goes to SC:L, and if people don't see that we have an active community they'll start posting on other fansites and there's a good chance we'll die off in the future.
2) Blizzforums has too much history & baggage tied up with it. On the new forums we can do whatever we need & want to be successful. What if we wanted to implement some sort of radical change to the forums over here? Well, we can't, because it's a part of BF.

The community is moving to SC:L and people are already setting up shop there. The community will be there, but you said that you'll quit posting and go to b.net instead. This makes it sound like you've only been coming here because of the forum software. We've already said we'll improve the SC:L forums, so I don't see why you would say that.
 

Not quite. I rarely went to SC:L, its true. Because most of the stuff posted there got brought here; also true. But the times I went there were for confirmation and the extra, extended content that was not posted here.
 

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Nobody wants to move
 

I'm gonna go ahead and take offense to this.
Should I stop working on SC:L then?
 

lol, don't look @ me. :P

If I was as good of a coder as you are there's no way I'd have time for graphics.
 

I'll go where everyone else goes.
 

This is ridiculous. I honestly didn't think this would be such a big deal for so many people.

I'm completely fine with the forum change.

Also, just like Blizzard, I'm sure "petitions" won't do anything to affect this decision.
 

Oh wow, this thread will get some results and not cause a lot of strong emotions and problems..

This isn't some social injustice that we must prevent at all costs. The SC:L staff has worked really hard on putting their new site together. Programming it, designing it, whatever. They want some traffic, they want some return on their efforts.

I think having a single SC forum here is a good idea personally, most of the SC2 discussion has already moved over anyway. But childishly asking 'who's with me!' and decrying any who disagree is not the way to go about this...

I don't think Gradius meant that in an offensive way, AJ... I think he's just trying to say that the site isn't final yet, the issues that people are having can be fixed with time.
 

You're probably right. However, I do think there is a very important moral that comes out of this entire thing. You need to be careful with the decisions that you make. The last thing you really want to do is anger people that could become the backbone of your community. If you think about it too, we're nearing a critical point for a lot of these sites as the SC2 beta is approaching and you're going to want to have these viewers on your side.

Considering too, I doubt that you've actually seen or visited SC:S here at BlizzForums, let me just give you a bit of background about why this decision has angered some people there. StarCraft Strategy ultimately became a community inside of a community here at BF, with a group of players that really worked on becoming better at the game by playing with each other and discussing things. Admittedly when I first began here at BF and at SC:L, there were some very rash idiots that would consistently flame based on the justification of "I'm better than you." This created a pretty negative stigma for a long time. However, over the past couple of years, the community had really mellowed out and had become in my opinion a whole lot stronger. They had formed a WGTour team, they had a King of the Hill event going and even had a pretty cool idea for a ladder. Of recent, they had become more involved with the tourneys that I had been running as well. To a lot of them, that board became the way that those guys remained connected. So then yesterday, there is a message that stated "You have 24 hours to pack up and move out." I think that's a bit of a shock to the system, as it came without warning and really to me, no need to be that quick.

Now here's the ironic part. While I was the head of SC:L's strategy section, these guys were constantly driving me insane. For a long, long time I had an absolute dislike and hatred towards SC:S and that community of people. You can ask anyone that knew me about how much I disliked that forum and what they represented. They'd tell you. However, I think it's a very strong statement for how far that board had come, where I am on here talking about how great of a community of people they have now.

So, I'm so damn sorry if that irritates you in some way.
 

Dear Wolfgang and Shadow,

When were we not permitted to express our opinions? And who made you judge and jury?
 

Never said you weren't.

I think you have a perfectly good point that is not serviced by childishly asking 'who's with me?' and going "obviously whoever voted 'no' needs to go to the hospital" or whatever.

Now that wasn't you, but it is of that same attitude that seems to be the undercurrent of this thread.
 

Fair enough. But I do think that the sentiment in this thread is generally of the same character, even though it is perhaps worded differently. Nobody here seems to have a problem with SCLegacy being the best that it can be. But to sacrifice B.F. for the sake of SCL is a bit shortsighted.
 

Someone still needs to explain to me how it makes any damn sense that a place called BlizzForums is going to have a subforum for every game Blizzard makes except Starcraft. For that, you have to go to a different forum.

Why can't both sites exist?

SCLegacy with its total focus on Starcraft and Blizzforums with a little bit of everything.

I want a community that will share my excitement for Starcraft 2 beta and release then Diablo 3 beta and release, then super secret next project, etc...
 

We could just change the web address to http://www.blizz(butnotSC)forums.com
 

The Sc section is what brought me to Blizzforums. Honestly guys, I rarely argue against what you at BF and SC:L do, aside from the shutting down of GD, but this is absolutely fucking stupid.

Just up and fucking stupid. A bit blunt, but there is no reason.
 

Seriously people get over it. I'm completely fine with the move as long as they fix the width issue.
 

Seriously, shut your trap. (the irony isn't lost on me) Stop trying to tell people that their opinions don't matter simply because you're okey dokey with it. This is a rather significant issue that affects a rather significant number of people.
 

You've never even posted here until you heard about this so what does it matter to you?
 

I was unaware that I was required to post to enjoy the SC forums.
 

So go enjoy them at SC:L. Since you don't post you don't even have to create an account.