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Question Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread ( AVS Forum Blu ray Players )
Updated: 2010-07-23 12:00:06 (149)
Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

My March 2009 Malaysian built Pioneer BDP 320 arrived late tonight. Firmware Version 3.04

Initial impressions from April 2009:
Decodes DTS HD MA out of the box.
Seems about as quick in loading and power on times as 51FD.
PQ for SD DVD and BD is identical to 51FD best I can tell.
AQ is very good over analogues; generally impressed by Burr Brown DACs.
Very slick looking.
Cannot seem to connect to the internet yet for firmware/internet connections yet.
Will play BD+ (QOS) discs without issue

Here it is boxed:
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Front shot
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Comparison of size to 51
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Load Times
Pirates of the caribbean (black pearl):
JVC: Medallion 16 seconds; Disney 27 seconds
Oppo: Medallion 21 seconds; Disney 31 seconds
Pio 51: Medallion 49 seconds; Disney 1 min 13 seconds
Pio 320: Medallion 38 seconds; Medallion 1 min 3 seconds (3.34)

Dark Knight: to anti-piracy page
JVC: 17 seconds
Oppo: 16 seconds
Pio 320: 42 seconds
Pio 51: 45 seconds

Casino Royale: to Sony screen
JVC 18 seconds
Oppo: 16 Seconds
Pio 320: 43 seconds (w 3.34)
Pio 51: 42 seconds

Power on to Pioneer display screen when first plugged in:
18 seconds

Pressing Eject to open drive when in standby mode:
BDP 51FD: 33 seconds
BDP 320: 18.5 seconds (FW 3.41)
Oppo 83: 2 Seconds

Video Performance: Synthetic Tests

Source Adaptive Deinterlacing
Cadence: Racecar testing for moire in stands
* denotes lock on in second set.

TestPio 320
2:2pass
2:2:2:4fail
2:3:2:3 (PF-T)pass
2:3:2:3pass*
2:3:3:2marg
3:2:3:2:2fail
5:5marginal
6:4fail
8:7:8:7marginal
24p - passpass
Time-adjustedfail

Edge Adaptive Test Patterns

Jaggie test - Pio 320
Speedometer: pass 45 to 5. fail +/- 5, pass -45 to -5
Ship: Pass
horizontal scrolling text: pass
vertical scrolling text: pass

Relative Comparison to Other Players: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1156535

Frequently Asked Questions:

How does the 320 compare to the 51FD?

The 320/23FD is a bit faster than the 51/05. Eject/power on times are 13 seconds faster on the 320 and the 320 loads most discs 4-7 seconds faster.

The 320/23FD has a greater colorspace - 48 bit - compare to the 51/05 - 36 bit.

The 320/23FD are currently (5/14/09) able to decode DTS HD MA internally; the 51FD has been waiting for firmware since Oct 08 (delivered in June 09).

The 320/23FD are Profile 2.0 players and can access BD Live features over the internet. Firmware upgrades can be performed via the internet as well. The 51/05 are Profile 1.1 players and lack an ethernet connection.

The 320/23FD share the same video chipset (SoC) with the 05FD/51FD. PQ is identical best I can tell.

The 320/23FD have BurrBrown DACs; the 51/05 have Wolfson DACs. The Woflsons are great; BurrBrowns appear to be great as well.

The 23FD has PQLS jitter reduction for multi-channel codecs when bitstreaming to a Pioneer Receiver. The 320, 51, and 05 have this feature but only for 2 channel playback.

The 320/23/51/05 share the same remote control.

The 320/23FD have KuroLink, which automatically detects a Pioneer Kuro display and makes adjustments for the Kuro plasma.

Anecdotally, the 320 appears more reliable in rental disc playback (netflix) than my previous two 51s. Error correction/laser sensitivity appear to be addressed to some extent.

The 320/23FD will play 12 rounds without problem. This disc will not play on the 51/05.


How long are the DVD layer changes?
After FW 3.41, there is NO layer change.

How does it compare to the Pioneer BDP-120?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post16551589

What are the differences between the 320 and the 23FD?
Video and Audio performance are identical over HDMI and should be nearly identical over analogue in most cases. The 23FD is the Elite version and carries a 2 year warranty (3 in Canada) while the 320 has a year warranty. The 23FD has backlit buttons on the front fascia and an amber display; the 320 has a light blue display. The 23FD is slightly taller due to its feet. The biggest function difference is the 23FD has MCH PQLS to reduce jitter when the player decodes audio codecs to a Pioneer Receiver; the 320 only has 2 channel. The 23FD also has an RS 232 control plug on the back for custom integration.

Can it output both HDMI and component simultaneously?
No

Can it be made region free for dvd?
Yes, but this is not confirmed: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post17851965

How good are the tweaking menus in the Pioneer 320/23FD?
Excellent. They have numerous options for adjusting gamma, brightness, contrast, various forms of noise reduction and others. There are also pre-set video settings including Professional, Pioneer PDP, and others.

I have a Kuro PDP, what is the best setting for video?
Professional has the least adjustment. Pioneer PDP actually has the following adjustments:

Pioneer PDP:

Progressive Motion: 4
Pure Cinema: auto1
YNR: 3
CNR: 0
BNR: 0
MNR: 0
Detail: 5
White Level: 4
Black Level: 4
Black Setup: 7.5 IRE
Gamma Correction: 4
Hue:4
Chroma Level:4

Professional:

Progressive Motion: 4
Pure Cinema: Auto1
YNR: 0
CNR:0
BNR:0
MNR:0
Detail:4
White Level:4
Black Level:4
Black Setup:4
Gamma Correction:4
Hue:4
Chroma Level:4


Known Bugs:
Terminator 2 Skynet (5/31) - slow playback (CONFIRMED)
Generation Kill (7/9) - playback (UNCONFIRMED)
DollHouse (8/20) unconfirmed.

Answers: Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread ( AVS Forum Blu ray Players )
Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

So just had my first freeze playing chapter 3 of Bourne Identity BD. It played fine after reloading the scene from disc menu.

sheedoe

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by robertc88
I don't understand why folks are so caught up with loading times on players as what the heck is the hurry?
I used to think the same on this but there were many occasions where I'd power up at the player to eject a disc and have to wait 20-30 seconds for the tray to open. I think it's a mistake not improving this on the newer model 320.

Craven More

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by ciccio250
sorry about that winston but i did post on another forum and they where recommending other players panny, sony etc I want a pioneer and thought this will be the best place to get my answer since you have both models...thanks for your response and sorry about the post..

Ciccio
No worries ciccio - oppo vs.. discussions tend to choke forums. Try looking here: great place for comparison info: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1136139

winston9332

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Like some others on this thread, has anyone seen benefit from the kuro link hooked up to a 111FD?

0Ground

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by b_scott
Seriously? I use Blockbuster Online in bulk, almost all Blu, and I've only had one disc not play since August.
I use netflix here and have found that one in six or so give me trouble. Some won't play, some require multiple loads.

winston9332

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by winston9332
Then again, the 51FD may never get faster and may never decode dts hd ma. This uncertainty is part of the ridiculously low price.
It will definitely decode DTS-MA. But speed is uncertain, yes.

Ruined

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

as stupid as it sounds i actually prefer the less sophisticated audio options on my old sammy to the 320. i have an extremely primitive audio set up. i dont have a receiver, or surround sound. all i use are the two speakers that came to attach to the side of my kuro. on my old sammy i could at least makes things come out loud enough by turning dynamic compression and pcm downsampling both on. same with my ps3. but ive played for hours now on the 320 with all its options with both digital out and analog out, and i still cant duplicate the results. specifically on sd dvd dolby 5.1 tracks its extremely quiet even with the volume literally maxed out on my speakers. dolby digital sounds ok off a bluray, and 2 channel sd dvd sounds good too though...

Makaveli Tha Don

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by winston9332
I have not played enough neftlix blu rays yet on my 320 to test how sensitive it is. My 51FD was very sensitive and would not play many.
Seriously? I use Blockbuster Online in bulk, almost all Blu, and I've only had one disc not play since August.

b_scott

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by bakerwi
Is there an owner's manual available on-line?
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0219.pdf

sheedoe

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

sorry about that winston but i did post on another forum and they where recommending other players panny, sony etc I want a pioneer and thought this will be the best place to get my answer since you have both models...thanks for your response and sorry about the post..

Ciccio

ciccio250

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Is there an owner's manual available on-line?

bakerwi

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by ciccio250
I just bought a kuro 5020 and a vsx-03txh receiver now I need to buy a bluray, these were the two models i was thinking about..their is a authorized dealer who said he will be getting them in a week or two and the price will be $345.00 with shipping and no tax...the bdp-51 I see you can get from $280 to 300 dollars so which one is better to get the bdp-51 seems to need updates all the time and still people having some problems and I don't think it does dts hd ma yet, so I don't know which one to get, load times seem to be the same..so for all of you who have both players which one will you pick..the diffrence in price is not that much and I am just looking for the best pq in the player..
Thanks in adavance for your help...

Ciccio
Let's try to keep this forum specific to 320 issues and questions. There is a forum that is specifically dedicated to helping folks choose a blu-ray player - I would recommend that ciccio and Ryanthetiger look there.

320's PQ is identical to the 51FD best I can tell. I have been doing side by sides and have yet to find a difference. Load times seem about identical. The 320 is much smaller (nearly half the size in volume) and offers out of the box dts hd ma decoding and is profile 2.0.

Hopefully, firmware will come to both the 51 and 320 to make the chip faster. As they stand right now, an oppo or ps3 is much faster if that is of concern. I have not played enough neftlix blu rays yet on my 320 to test how sensitive it is. My 51FD was very sensitive and would not play many.

Hopefully this will be the last discussion pt with the oppo, but the oppo is a tremendous machine and much more expensive than both pioneers. I reckon the street price of the 320 will flirt under $350 in the near future if firmware does not massively change its speed (or all the 51s disappear). Pioneer will have some sales cannibalized by the 51FD if most folks agree with my observations. Then again, the 51FD may never get faster and may never decode dts hd ma. This uncertainty is part of the ridiculously low price.

winston9332

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

I just bought a kuro 5020 and a vsx-03txh receiver now I need to buy a bluray, these were the two models i was thinking about..their is a authorized dealer who said he will be getting them in a week or two and the price will be $345.00 with shipping and no tax...the bdp-51 I see you can get from $280 to 300 dollars so which one is better to get the bdp-51 seems to need updates all the time and still people having some problems and I don't think it does dts hd ma yet, so I don't know which one to get, load times seem to be the same..so for all of you who have both players which one will you pick..the diffrence in price is not that much and I am just looking for the best pq in the player..
Thanks in adavance for your help...

Ciccio

ciccio250

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheedoe
If you don't mind paying the extra $$, I'd recommend the Oppo, even though I never owned one. Given that the PQ is equivalent, you get a faster player, the ability to play SACD and DVD-Audio, great Anchor Bay VRS scaler, and excellent customer service.

The PS3 will be my best for the buck all around player/gaming/multi-media device. I've had it since its launch date back in Nov 06. Would buy another one in a heart-beat when/if my current one dies.
I'm likely just going to be watching BD (and the occasional DVD). I don't foresee that I'll be using it for SACD, etc. That being said, I do value Oppo's reported customer service and reliability ... but it would be nice to save $100 or so. Has anyone really commented on the SD up-conversion? Or the Kuro Link feature? I just got a 111FD and was wondering if this was useful?

RYANtheTIGER

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by everunman
Whilst I agree, im most disappointed that a year later Pioneer cant improve their models at least somehow. (this subject to the 05/51 getting dtsma-hd)
How the heck are they going to sell this when its no better, what will their sales pitch be? Its smaller and sleeker?
Pioneer had a great opportunity here as some Oppo "waiters" would maybe consider this model instead if the pq is the same.

Im also disappointed that as a 51 owner we will never see the promised performance upgrade as they cant do it with this new one, what hope have we got with older models.
The 51FD offers great bang for buck at this time and that is the main reason I'm trying it out. My experience so far? The PQ is very very good, beating both my PS3 and Panny BD30 for both BD and SD DVD playback.

Even if the 320 delivered, it simply isn't the better value for me. It loading that much faster isn't a feature I really and truly would care about in consideration of spending the extra money.

robertc88

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

OK so far we know the 23 runs hotter and just as slow as the 51FD, but nobody answered the most important questions:

Hows the PQ compared to the 51FD??
Does the Kuro Link add any value to 9G owners?
How's the upscaling for SD DVD's?

Although its slightly disappointing to see the load times haven't improved, IMO 95% of the people who bought a 51FD value PQ over anything else.

wrinklefree

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by b_scott
wow, that's a lot of boxes! You shouldn't need the Emotiva anymore, unless I guess you are using it for TV. And the other changer over on the left (silver) probably can go too
Actually the Emotiva is the amp for my pre/pro. I don't have a receiver with a built-in amp. So the Emotiva is a keeper! The other silver set top is a DVD-R/RW Recorder. Yeah that will eventually go...just waiting to exchange it with a blu-ray recorder .
More pics @ my HT Gallery.

sheedoe

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samaritano
But, can it send the DTS HD MA audio track as bitstream thru HDMI so that an AVR or Pre/Pro can decode it?
yes sir.

b_scott

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

I just received my BDP-320 yesterday. I have it connected via HDMI to my PDP-6020 and via optical to my Denon 3805 receiver.

The PQ is great. But a couple things I noticed were that it didn't get as hot as I expected from reading some of the previous posts (in fact, it was only mildly warm to the touch after 5 hours of use), and my receiver wasn't recognizing the Dolby Digital audio. I was using the "Pirates" Blu-ray. The Denon only recognized Dolby PLII for audio.

Any thoughts on what I may be doing wrong??? Thanks.

nhojbo

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

you can't do HD formats over optical, so Dolby PLII sounds right.

b_scott

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
The PQ is great. But a couple things I noticed were that it didn't get as hot as I expected from reading some of the previous posts (in fact, it was only mildly warm to the touch after 5 hours of use)...
That was something i was concerned about too after reading early reviews, but my unit is not running that hot. I watched 2-3 movies yesterday, and it felt warm to the touch like you would expect it, but nothing out of ordinary

GibsonEX

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by b_scott
you can't do HD formats over optical, so Dolby PLII sounds right.
Would this apply also to a PS3 with optical out? My son's old Pioneer recever only shows Dolby Pro Logic.

Thank You Bob H.

Rpbertxyz

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rpbertxyz
Would this apply also to a PS3 with optical out? My son's old Pioneer recever only shows Dolby Pro Logic.

Thank You Bob H.
you can't send TrueHD or DTS-MA with optical, ever. you will need to get a new receiver to benefit from those audio formats (i assume yours doesn't do HDMI)

b_scott

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by b_scott
you can't send TrueHD or DTS-MA with optical, ever. you will need to get a new receiver to benefit from those audio formats (i assume yours doesn't do HDMI)
That being said, is there an AQ difference in using the 320 or the PS3 if my AVR doesn't have HDMI and I connect via optical?

RYANtheTIGER

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by RYANtheTIGER
That being said, is there an AQ difference in using the 320 or the PS3 if my AVR doesn't have HDMI and I connect via optical?
No, but the Receiver will not display the codec, it should only display PCM if sent from the PS3. From the 320, it should say Dolby. It's identical, the PS3 just decodes it before it sends it.

b_scott

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
I just received my BDP-320 yesterday. I have it connected via HDMI to my PDP-6020 and via optical to my Denon 3805 receiver.

The PQ is great. But a couple things I noticed were that it didn't get as hot as I expected from reading some of the previous posts (in fact, it was only mildly warm to the touch after 5 hours of use), and my receiver wasn't recognizing the Dolby Digital audio. I was using the "Pirates" Blu-ray. The Denon only recognized Dolby PLII for audio.

Any thoughts on what I may be doing wrong??? Thanks.
Optical can do DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 over optical. Even if it's HD codecs it still will do core 5.1 over optical. Try to do decoding by blu ray.
It will send core 5.1 to your receiver. Don't decode from receiver since it doesn't know HD formats so therefore it gives you PLII.

stewieHD

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Hi and I'm sorry if this is being posted in the wrong thread, but I was wondering about the BDP120. Does anyone know if that unit is available anywhere? and if so, has it's chipset manufacturer been identified and confirmed?

samwise7

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by b_scott
No, but the Receiver will not display the codec, it should only display PCM if sent from the PS3. From the 320, it should say Dolby. It's identical, the PS3 just decodes it before it sends it.
So the AQ will be the same but my AVR will display different light or whatnot if I use the 320?

RYANtheTIGER

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

StewieHD... DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 both worked fine with my old Sony DVD player using optical so I agree that it should work. I selected DD 5.1 as the audio format in the "Pirates" Blu-ray so I expected my Denon to auto-select DD 5.1 but instead got Dolby PLII. Is there something else I need to select in the BDP-320 to make this work correctly?

nhojbo

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
I just received my BDP-320 yesterday. I have it connected via HDMI to my PDP-6020 and via optical to my Denon 3805 receiver.

The PQ is great. But a couple things I noticed were that it didn't get as hot as I expected from reading some of the previous posts (in fact, it was only mildly warm to the touch after 5 hours of use), and my receiver wasn't recognizing the Dolby Digital audio. I was using the "Pirates" Blu-ray. The Denon only recognized Dolby PLII for audio.

Any thoughts on what I may be doing wrong??? Thanks.
To decode core Dolby Digital & DTS tracks, you must connect the Pioneer 320 directly via TOSLINK optical to the Denon 3805. You cannot connect them indirectly via first HDMI to the Pioneer 6020, then TOSLINK optical from the Pioneer 6020. When you do the latter, you get only two channel LPCM because, during their HDMI handshake, your PDP essentially says to the BD player, "Hey, I'm a two channel device. Send me two channel LPCM." So, your BD player outputs downmixed two channel LPCM to your PDP, which passes along that two channel LPCM to your receiver, which then applies Dolby ProLogic II matrix decoding. Not your desired result.

Rule of thumb: cut out the middle man. Connect your BD player directly to your receiver.

AJ

WiWavelength

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiWavelength
To decode core Dolby Digital & DTS tracks, you must connect the Pioneer 320 directly via TOSLINK optical to the Denon 3805. You cannot connect them indirectly via first HDMI to the Pioneer 6020, then TOSLINK optical from the Pioneer 6020. When you do the latter, you get only two channel LPCM because, during their HDMI handshake, your PDP essentially says to the BD player, "Hey, I'm a two channel device. Send me two channel LPCM." So, your BD player outputs downmixed two channel LPCM to your PDP, which passes along that two channel LPCM to your receiver, which then applies Dolby ProLogic II matrix decoding. Not your desired result.

Rule of thumb: cut out the middle man. Connect your BD player directly to your receiver.

AJ
I'm pretty sure he is. He said HDMI to the TV, Optical to the Receiver (from the BD). I don't think he meant he was outputting Optical from the TV to the Receiver.

b_scott

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

BDP-320 is connected directly to Denon using optical (audio) and directly to 6020 using HDMI (video).

John

nhojbo

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
BDP-320 is connected directly to Denon using optical (audio) and directly to 6020 using HDMI (video).

John
I would check the settings on the Initial Setup menu. Make sure that the audio is set to output through the Digital Out, the correct AVR input is set with the correct mode, and that you are not processing the audio ouput from the TV. Also check that the Audio Out modes are set to be compatible with your AVR.

I had the same issue when I setup my Kuro and I disabled the HDMI audio out to eliminate this source of confusion.

gearguy77

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
BDP-320 is connected directly to Denon using optical (audio) and directly to 6020 using HDMI (video).

John
Lot of emails going around on non-hdmi audio connections to legacy receivers without hdmi inputs. If you want to hear the lossless codecs (TrueHD/DTS HD MA), connect you 320 to your reciever via analogues and the 320 will decode the lossless code and send it your receiver, which will amplify the signal. If you connect via optical (toslink), you will only get the core signal (DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1).

winston9332

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

I am looking forward to posting my "review" and "comparisons" on the 23FD here shortly...

joerod

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Thanks Winston. I haven't made the analog connections yet to try the HD audio from the 320. Just trying to get the 5.1 DD audio to work as it did with my old Sony DVD player using a direct optical connection to the Denon. I'm stumped as to why it worked with the old Sony but not with the 320.

Just so I am clear, the lossless/HD codecs (TrueHD/DTS HD MA) need to be available on the Blu-ray itself to work, right? For example, the "Pirates" Blu-ray disks all state DD 5.1 audio, so they are not capable of producing lossless/HD audio?

nhojbo

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by winston9332
Lot of emails going around on non-hdmi audio connections to legacy receivers without hdmi inputs. If you want to hear the lossless codecs (TrueHD/DTS HD MA), connect you 320 to your reciever via analogues and the 320 will decode the lossless code and send it your receiver, which will amplify the signal. If you connect via optical (toslink), you will only get the core signal (DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1).
I know this is probably a really dumb question ... but what cables would I use for the analog connection?

RYANtheTIGER

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
Just so I am clear, the lossless/HD codecs (TrueHD/DTS HD MA) need to be available on the Blu-ray itself to work, right? For example, the "Pirates" Blu-ray disks all state DD 5.1 audio, so they are not capable of producing lossless/HD audio?
The lossless audio tracks on the "Pirates of the Caribbean" BDs are multichannel LPCM -- an unpacked, uncompressed (albeit inefficient) format. The lossy audio tracks on the aforementioned BDs are multichannel Dolby Digital (640 kbps).

AJ

WiWavelength

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Thanks for clarifying that AJ.

nhojbo

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiWavelength
The lossless audio tracks on the "Pirates of the Caribbean" BDs are multichannel LPCM -- an unpacked, uncompressed (albeit inefficient) format. The lossy audio tracks on the aforementioned BDs are multichannel Dolby Digital (640 kbps).

AJ
When watching any given Blu-Ray movie there are basically (3) Lossless type formats that would be on a given disk. Keep in mind that some movies don't have a lossless audio option. The three choices to look for are:

1) PCM/Multi Channel/LPCM (These all mean the same thing)

2) Dolby TrueHD

3) DTS HD Master

So if you have your player connected to properly send all three of the Lossless formats then you'd always want to pick one of those within the movies audio menu.

The ONLY way to get lossless is the following:

1) Have an HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode all of the lossless codecs to receive them via bitstream from the Blu-Ray player.

2) Have a player that can decode all of the lossless codecs and then send it to the reciever as PCM/Multi Channel either via the analog outs or via HDMI. The key is you have to user either HDMI or the Analog Multi channel inputs of the receiver. If you have a receiver that does NOT have HDMI and does NOT have multi channel inputs then you CANNOT listen to any of the lossless audio tracks.

There are several reasons on why somoene would pick one setup versus another of the above. Those reasons tend to be based on what their equipment can accomodate (ie the player and the receiver) and their personal preference/taste.

Midwest User1

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
Thanks Winston. I haven't made the analog connections yet to try the HD audio from the 320. Just trying to get the 5.1 DD audio to work as it did with my old Sony DVD player using a direct optical connection to the Denon. I'm stumped as to why it worked with the old Sony but not with the 320.

Just so I am clear, the lossless/HD codecs (TrueHD/DTS HD MA) need to be available on the Blu-ray itself to work, right? For example, the "Pirates" Blu-ray disks all state DD 5.1 audio, so they are not capable of producing lossless/HD audio?
Most blu ray discs have lossless tracks (truehd, dts hd ma, dd lpcm). THe 320 provides two choices in the decoding of these trackings - either bitstream to your receiver to decode if you have new receiver with HDMI 1.3 decoding or decode them internally in the 320 and send as PCM via hdmi to be decoded if you have an HDMI 1.1 or 1.2 receiver or via analogue to your receiver to simply amplify the analogue singals. To opt for the latter, you need 8 rca cables to match the pre-outs of the 320 to the inputs of your receiver.

winston9332

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest User1
When watching any given Blu-Ray movie there are basically (3) Lossless type formats that would be on a given disk. Keep in mind that some movies don't have a lossless audio option. The three choices to look for are:

1) PCM/Multi Channel/LPCM (These all mean the same thing)

2) Dolby TrueHD

3) DTS HD Master

So if you have your player connected to properly send all three of the Lossless formats then you'd always want to pick one of those within the movies audio menu.

The ONLY way to get lossless is the following:

1) Have an HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode all of the lossless codecs to receive them via bitstream from the Blu-Ray player.

2) Have a player that can decode all of the lossless codecs and then send it to the reciever as PCM/Multi Channel either via the analog outs or via HDMI. The key is you have to user either HDMI or the Analog Multi channel inputs of the receiver. If you have a receiver that does NOT have HDMI and does NOT have multi channel inputs then you CANNOT listen to any of the lossless audio tracks.

There are several reasons on why somoene would pick one setup versus another of the above. Those reasons tend to be based on what their equipment can accomodate (ie the player and the receiver) and their personal preference/taste.
ditto

winston9332

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Thanks for clarifying the HD audio options. Since the Denon 3805 does not have HDMI decoding, I will connect the pre-outs from the 320 to the Denon and try that next.

I'm still concerned that I couldn't get Dolby Digital 5.1 to work via optical from the 320 directly to the Denon. I just hope there isn't something wrong with my 320.

John

nhojbo

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Interested in the 23 fd review!

vandertoorn

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
Thanks for clarifying the HD audio options. Since the Denon 3805 does not have HDMI decoding, I will connect the pre-outs from the 320 to the Denon and try that next.

I'm still concerned that I couldn't get Dolby Digital 5.1 to work via optical from the 320 directly to the Denon. I just hope there isn't something wrong with my 320.

John
Does your Denon 3805 have any HDMI inputs on the back? If yes then check if your Denon can accept a multi-channel/PCM/LPCM signal and play it (check the owners manual). If that answer is yes then your easiest setup would be to go HDMI from the Blu-Ray player to the Denon but set your Blu-ray players audio to PCM versus auto. That way the 320 can do all of the decoding (since your Denon cannot with the new HD codecs) and you'll get Multi-Channel/PCM displayed on the Denon 3805. In this scenario you'd be hearing lossless audio.

There are a couple of reasons why you couldn't get the DD5.1 to work via optical. It's either a setting within the 320 or a setting within the 3805.

EDIT: According to the owners manual for your 3805 is does NOT have any HDMI inputs what so ever. It's also possible that within your 3805's audio settings that you told it to apply Dolby Pro Logix II processing to the Dolby Digital 5.1 signal. If that is the case that would explain why your receiving is displaying Dolby Pro Logix II because it's applying that sound processing to the audio it's receiving.

I believe that the multi-channel analog inputs for your receiver are on the back left hand side right above the Zone 3 inputs.

Midwest User1

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhojbo
Thanks for clarifying the HD audio options. Since the Denon 3805 does not have HDMI decoding, I will connect the pre-outs from the 320 to the Denon and try that next.

I'm still concerned that I couldn't get Dolby Digital 5.1 to work via optical from the 320 directly to the Denon. I just hope there isn't something wrong with my 320.

John
In this scenario how many of the little white boxes are filled in with white color on the 3805's display (left hand side)? The white boxes are indicating how many channels of audio the 3805 is receiving from the 320. If the 3805 shows (6) total boxes then your receiver is getting 5.1 channels of audio from the 320 and it's applying the Dolby Pro Logix II processing to it. If the 3805 shows (2) boxes then the 320 is only sending the 3805 2 channel audio. Let us know which it is and we can go from there.

Midwest User1

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

6 of the speaker indicator lights were lit.

nhojbo

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

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Originally Posted by nhojbo
6 of the speaker indicator lights were lit.
O.K. if six were lit then your are getting the correct audio from the 320 (Dolby Digital 5.1). This then points to your receiver is just applying Dolby Pro Logix II processing as that is what it has been told to do. If you want to see Dolby Digital in the display hit the "direct" button on the remote or on the 3805 unit itself. That should disable the Pro Logix II sound processing.

FYI that you will get better sound if you connect the 320 to your 3805 via the analog outs from the 320 to the analog in's on the 3805 (again back left hand side just above the Zone 3 inputs). You'll need (6) RCA audio rated cables if you have a five speaker system and (8) if you have a seven speaker system, also assuming that you have a subwoofer.

Midwest User1

Pioneer BDP 320 BDP 23FD Owners Thread

I know that in the SD DVD world, Pioneer's disc mechanisms are more durable than Oppo's. I've heard Oppos started to deteriorate as far as build and mechanics are concerned, yet Pioneer players have lasted for four years. To those of you who own the Oppo BDP-83 and the Pioneer BDP-51FD, BDP-320, or Elite BDP-23, are the Pioneers more rugged and built like a tank compared to the Oppo? I prefer my players built like a tank because that makes me feel a certain reassureance about their durability.

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