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Question Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread ( AVS Forum LCD Flat Panel Displays )
Updated: 2010-07-27 08:10:11 (149)
Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread

So today was the big Walmart sale on this Tv and I got it as did a lot of others as it is sold out.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=LC-52SB57UN&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=7613477765606266221&ei=Uv_1SsTWF4PasQOK-pkZ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0C A8Q8wIwAw#ps-sellers

I was able to get it for under $800 and change and such will consider this a entry level large panel LCD.

So let get to talking and giving some feed back.

I like the look of the unit, and am currently watching the ESPN Ohio St v. Penn St game to check for motion and blurr.

My OTA signal via ABC 7.1 in Los Angeles looks very good, no un-natural movements or speed, good flow and continuity.

Set the unit up to the default settings and will try other input sources soon.

Answers: Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread ( AVS Forum LCD Flat Panel Displays )
Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by nola4130
"Fixed" means you cannot adjust it. Change AV mode to just "Dynamic" or any of the others and you will be able to make adjustments.
Ok got it. The fixed mod is the "store" mode.
The dynamic fixed mode (store) looks pretty good IMO. What do you guys think?

Thanks OP for creating this thread!

gabrielh1979

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pglover19
"909".. The first digit represents the year (2009), and the second and third digit represents the month (September). So, my build date is September 2009.
My serial# is 908 so Aug 2009.

I wonder why the FW on the web site is over 3 months old?

WhatHappend

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gabrielh1979
Question: i got this TV as display model from WM ($720 otd) and in the menu, I can't change anything on the pic and audio settings. It's on "Dynamic (fixed)" on both and on the bottom it say "no picture adjustments available".
Any ideas where I can change that? (I have an universal remote that WM gave me)

"Fixed" means you cannot adjust it. Change AV mode to just "Dynamic" or any of the others and you will be able to make adjustments.

nola4130

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatHappend
Mine doesn't accept the update either with the same message.

The zip file I down load is named: TEL_SOFT_E77_D85UN_SB57_S0905201.ZIP
With the web site saying it is version S0905201

My TV says version: T0907071

Is this the same zip files that others are using successfully? If so, what is the TV's reported version after the update (you can't be on an HDMI input when you check version).

I am thinking the "T" FW version is newer and that is why it won't use the download version.
I have the same firmware version also. I called the Sharp Tech Support line and they told me that I have the newer version of the firmware if the version starts with "T". The TV will not allow you to update the version if the version starts with "S". So we have the latest firmware version.. I asked the tech how I can determine the build/manufacture date of the TV.. It is based on the first three digits of the serial number. For example, the first three digits of my serial number is "909".. The first digit represents the year (2009), and the second and third digit represents the month (September). So, my build date is September 2009.

pglover19

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Quote:
Originally Posted by amarpateldc
I downloaded the update and unzipped it to a usb, when I start the update it keeps telling me the update does not match the model.
Ive 2x checked it and its the correct model, anyone else having this issue?
Also my colors look really flat. WHen i switch over to pc, the screen is very fuzzy. Any suggestions? I tried using the settings above, i did everything but put the color temp up one.
oh yeah the update file is HLNAC306.uvp (unzipped)
Mine doesn't accept the update either with the same message.

The zip file I down load is named: TEL_SOFT_E77_D85UN_SB57_S0905201.ZIP
With the web site saying it is version S0905201

My TV says version: T0907071

Is this the same zip files that others are using successfully? If so, what is the TV's reported version after the update (you can't be on an HDMI input when you check version).

I am thinking the "T" FW version is newer and that is why it won't use the download version.

WhatHappend

Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread

I downloaded the update and unzipped it to a usb, when I start the update it keeps telling me the update does not match the model.
Ive 2x checked it and its the correct model, anyone else having this issue?
Also my colors look really flat. WHen i switch over to pc, the screen is very fuzzy. Any suggestions? I tried using the settings above, i did everything but put the color temp up one.
oh yeah the update file is HLNAC306.uvp (unzipped)

amarpateldc

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Another odd question for you all...

What kind of wall mount do I need. I am looking to hang the screen above a fireplace so I dont need it to have movement.

Thoughts??

TIA

ACE'S FULL

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatHappend
Did you try to go to the setup menu and do the "Reset" or "EZ Setup". The TV has a show room mode that is locked to Dynamic (fixed).

You can download a manual here: http://www.sharpusa.com/CustomerSupp...Downloads.aspx
Ok the EZ setup worked.It was not showing up while I was under input 6 (hdmi)

gabrielh1979

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gabrielh1979
Question: i got this TV as display model from WM ($720 otd) and in the menu, I can't change anything on the pic and audio settings. It's on "Dynamic (fixed)" on both and on the bottom it say "no picture adjustments available".
Any ideas where I can change that? (I have an universal remote that WM gave me)
Did you try to go to the setup menu and do the "Reset" or "EZ Setup". The TV has a show room mode that is locked to Dynamic (fixed).

You can download a manual here: http://www.sharpusa.com/CustomerSupp...Downloads.aspx

WhatHappend

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i got the 46 one they have.. idk maybe its just me, but when i watch tv or a movie.. it seems like the people are moving faster then the picture should be. I mean i always had a tube tv this is my first lcd.. is it just bc of the refersh rate that its like that ? i really dont kno how else to explain it.

umx

Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread

Question: i got this TV as display model from WM ($720 otd) and in the menu, I can't change anything on the pic and audio settings. It's on "Dynamic (fixed)" on both and on the bottom it say "no picture adjustments available".
Any ideas where I can change that? (I have an universal remote that WM gave me)

gabrielh1979

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If you are having HDMI issues, try the following [Reported by someone at Slickdeals thread who called Sharp regarding HDMI handshaking issue]

"Well after calling Sharp USA and speaking with a tech, it seems the problem I had was a strange HDMI handshaking issue. He showed me how to reset the HDMI inputs on the TV. Basically the TV just stops talking with devices and refuses to accept new device connections.

He told me the only fix is to unplug the TV, wait a few seconds, then hold the power button on the remote for 15 seconds. Then wait a minute for the capacitors to cycle out their power after having the TV unplugged. Basically once all the power in the TV is gone and the TV recognizes it was suppose to be turned on when the power was unplugged, it gets reset completely from a hardware level.

After doing this, the TV started handshaking correctly again"

aiyer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SC-Monkey
I guess it just isn't my day. I downloaded the firmware update and put it on a usb drive, but the TV keeps telling me that there is more than one file on the usb drive, even though there is only one. I've even tried reformatting the usb drive to ensure it was empty, but its still a no go. I'm using a Mac computer running OSX snow leopard, but it is able to format the usb drive to fat32 which is what I've done. If I can't get it to work after playing with it a little more, I guess I'll have to re-download the file at work on a Windows machine and copy it to the usb drive there.

I checked my Walmart receipt but there was no mention of their return policy, so I called the local store and they said it would be 90 days as long as you have the receipt. They also mentioned that they have a Panasonic 46" plasma in stock for $788. The Panasonic plasma is model TC-P46U1. Other than being a 1080P set, I don't know much about it. Hopefully, I can get this Sharp set to work with rest of my source devices so I can keep it as I like the looks of it, and the way it works with my HR-20.
hmm i used a 1gb flash drive, format first Fat32 then extracted the zip file on it.

are you going to the menu then firmware update option

cdtech20059

Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread

I guess it just isn't my day. I downloaded the firmware update and put it on a usb drive, but the TV keeps telling me that there is more than one file on the usb drive, even though there is only one. I've even tried reformatting the usb drive to ensure it was empty, but its still a no go. I'm using a Mac computer running OSX snow leopard, but it is able to format the usb drive to fat32 which is what I've done. If I can't get it to work after playing with it a little more, I guess I'll have to re-download the file at work on a Windows machine and copy it to the usb drive there.

I checked my Walmart receipt but there was no mention of their return policy, so I called the local store and they said it would be 90 days as long as you have the receipt. They also mentioned that they have a Panasonic 46" plasma in stock for $788. The Panasonic plasma is model TC-P46U1. Other than being a 1080P set, I don't know much about it. Hopefully, I can get this Sharp set to work with rest of my source devices so I can keep it as I like the looks of it, and the way it works with my HR-20.

SC-Monkey

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For some reason I can't get this TV to tune any of the Digital OTA channels. Other than that I am very pleased as High Def over PC looks fine.

vxbrown

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First thing i did was log on to sharpusa.com and downloaded the lastest firmware. unzip and save to usb drive. update firmware by going to menu.

I am using hdmi to my samsung digiital cable box (TWC cable) and another hdmi to the onkyo for dvd player pass through. no issues so far with that.

I connect my laptop via vga and the lcd is cutting off about a inch of my screen. not sure why but i emailed sharp.

What is walmarts return policy 90 or 30 days?

cdtech20059

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My local Walmart was out of the 52" version of this set, so I purchased the 46" version yesterday. So far I like the set except for one problem that I haven't been able to resolve. Has anyone had any problems getting the HDMI inputs to work with their source devices? I can connect my DirectTv HR-20 to any of the four HDMI inputs and get a picture and sound. However, when I try to connect my Sony BDP-S360, or Toshiba HD-A2, or my Yamaha HTR-5990 to any of the four HDMI inputs I get no picture or sound. I've tried using the same HDMI cable with each of the devices, and still only the HR-20 seems to work with this television. I've also connected each of the devices to my Hitachi plasma and they all work fine. I'm a bit stumped at the moment. I know all of my source devices work, and I know my HDMI cables are good, but I'm only able to get picture and sound from the HR-20 on this TV. If anyone has any suggestions it would be great.

SC-Monkey

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I'm watching the Miami/New England game on u-verse. Looks kind of bad during fast motion. I'm using dot by dot in game mode but I adjusted the settings to the factory dynamic.

nola4130

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was this a 1 day sale?

LC Shaggy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by LC Shaggy
was this a 1 day sale?
I think so. it was from 8am to 12pm on saturday. I purchased the tv a day before and returned and repurchased.

cdtech20059

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Quote:
Originally Posted by LC Shaggy
was this a 1 day sale?
Yeah 1 day sale or while supplies last...

ACE'S FULL

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I also got me one of these this weekend. I don't know much about TV's (this is my first flat panel), but I know enough that $900 for a 52 inch was a great price.

Straight out of the box it looks great. If I had to criticize anything about the TV it would be that it seems the black colors turn grey if you don't watch the TV straight on.

Watched Law and Order in HD with an OTA antenna and it looks great!

I'm also struggling with the calibration of this set but since this is my first, it's fun/challenging to get the perfect picture.

Kurosawa531

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non-hd looks pretty bad for me. Maybe I am missing something, but I have a 32 inch visio that is much better about std broadcast. should i engage the digital noise reduction?>

cdtech20059

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrjag
This came from the slickdeals thread, which was copied from somewhere else:
didnt like these settings at all. will move them around a bit.

cdtech20059

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I agree some setting too much, I think it is important to disable the auto adjusting functions first otherwise they compensate for your tweaks.

I turned off the ota function because the brightness changes with room ambient light conditions.

Keep up the tweaking we will find some common settings.

chiribomb

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Trying your suggestions,
I like the look when active contrast is on, but until I understand its function, I will not disregard playing with it.

chiribomb

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This came from the slickdeals thread, which was copied from somewhere else:

Quote:
If you are interested, the setting below seems to give the best picture. I found this on the web. You may have to tweak this to compensate for your room's ambient light.

OPC: Off
Backlight: -8
Contrast: +30
Brightness: +1
Color: +1
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Advanced menu:
Fine Motion Enhanced: On
Active Contrast: Off
Film Mode: On
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [N/A]

CMS Hue menu:
R: +5
Y: +6
G: -30
C: -7
B: +8
M: -4

CMS Saturation menu:

R: -4
Y: 0
G: +30
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Color Temp menu:
Color temp: Low
R Gain: +5
G Gain: +11
B Gain: -20

Power Control menu:
Power Saving: Off

mrjag

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yea tv is pretty nice. going to keep it. need settings. skin tone seems to be whitish.

thanks.

cdtech20059

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so any idea. why it seems like the objects in movie move so smooth that it looks wierd? does it on cable tv to

umx

Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread

Tried Tashunka/Aiyer settings that are both pretty similar and I'm very satisfied with these. Thanks guys!

gabrielh1979

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BTW, Standard definition also looks so much better with this setting. You may need to tweak this for bright day time viewing. I am going to use this setting in standard mode for night viewing and adjust for day in User mode.

aiyer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by chiribomb
Just remember this does not cover a bulb as the warranty states, I just do not know what the bulb is or if it is replaceable ect, I wonder how they are going to handle the LED model tv's.

For a LCD or LED you would only need to purchase our regular service contract. The bulb warranty that we offer is for projectors or DLP Television's that the bulb needs to be replaced over time.

mackcamera

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mackcamera
For a LCD or LED you would only need to purchase our regular service contract. The bulb warranty that we offer is for projectors or DLP Television's that the bulb needs to be replaced over time.
Thank you for clearing that up

chiribomb

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How do you turn off the automatic backlight adjustment? I thought it was by turning off OPC but it still seems to do it. I watching Sopranos last night and during night scenes the picture would darken up too much.

nola4130

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nola4130
How do you turn off the automatic backlight adjustment? I thought it was by turning off OPC but it still seems to do it. I watching Sopranos last night and during night scenes the picture would darken up too much.
Turn off Active Contrast (Dynamic Contrast) and that should stop that effect.

WhatHappend

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gabrielh1979
Tried Tashunka/Aiyer settings that are both pretty similar and I'm very satisfied with these. Thanks guys!
same here! looks better, for sure! thanks guys.

cris619

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I purchased the 46" version of this TV. I was originally looking for a 40-42" 1080p 120hz in the $700-$800 price range but came across the LC-46SB57UN at walmart last saturday when it was on sale for $700 and picked it up. I havent opened it yet or decided if I am going to keep it. I may return it and go back to looking for a smaller 40-42" in a premium line such as Aquos, Bravia etc.

What is the consensus on the quality of this TV? Obviously it is a steal for the price, but price aside is it any good or is it a 'budget' tv and it shows?

Does anyone have any vertical banding issues?

What about the panel, is it 8 bit or 10 bit?

I have searched thoroughly online and there is very little information available unfortunately

Thanks,

Mr Willard

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nola4130
How do you turn off the automatic backlight adjustment? I thought it was by turning off OPC but it still seems to do it. I watching Sopranos last night and during night scenes the picture would darken up too much.
I do not believe it is the Active Contrast option that is controlling the lightening and darkening of the backlight. (I actually think the Active Contrast function gives flesh tone color an appropriate feel, but I am still playing with having it on and off before I make a decision on whether to use it.)

If my memory serves me correctly as I was playing with settings I believe you need to navigate to the Power Control menu which is separate from your display menu and under that menu are three options. I can not recall what those are at this time, but want to say one is "By Input" and something similar. The middle option is the one that I recall causing the backlight to fluctuate while watching programs. Basically, the screen seems to be adjusting itself to the the light content of the program as well as the room and darkens the backlight or lightens it accordingly. (Hence saving power.) I remember the set doing this consistently when I bought it and the green OPC leafs coming out on the bottom of the screen over and over again while watching the set during changes of lighting. The top option under the Power Control menu is another power save mode function that doesn't seem to cause the dramatic backlight changes, but I just went ahead and shut Power Saving off completely so that I knew any settings I would be changing for optimal picture quality would not be affected by that feature.

Again... locate and change for following and you should not have the backlight issue.

Power Control menu:
Power Saving: Off

Hope that helps.

TashunkaWitko

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Willard
What is the consensus on the quality of this TV? Obviously it is a steal for the price, but price aside is it any good or is it a 'budget' tv and it shows?

Does anyone have any vertical banding issues?

What about the panel, is it 8 bit or 10 bit?
1. Quality: I have yet to find a quality issue with my 52" Sharp LCD. However, it may not be at par with some of the higher end models of the AQUOS line.

2. Verticle Banding: None to report. Though a few sets have been indicated as having banding and have been defective. If you have a set that is banding, it is still recommended that you try reseting the LCD before returning to see if that corrects the issue. (Has been known to correct banding issues for some, but not all.)

3. Panel: This was discussed briefly the other day. No one has been able to confirm whether the panel is 8 or 10 bit. It would appear to be 8 bit by assumption. I would assume that the panel is an older panel that was designed for the 2008 SB series, though the unit itself looks to have been upgraded to better components. (120Hz vs 60Hz processor... etc.) as there are specs that bring it up to par with Sharps higher end AQUOS models.

For a "Budget" entry level large screen LCD, I believe these Sharp models have a high level of performance on a $$$/performance ratio. May not have all the bells and whistles of some other models, but I wouldn't turn away from it on a "Budget Entry Level" consideration.

In the end, everyone has a different set of preferences they are looking for. I didn't even intend to buy this TV. I didn't even know there was a sale. I'm just one of those people who constantly watches the tech market like a hawk to see what is going on in tech-economy and be educated on things I may invest my hard earned cash into at some point in time. I just happened to be in Walmart the day of the sale and walked past a pallet holding 2 52" and 2 46" Sharp sets with impressive price tags. The 46" caught my eye first, then I came around to the 52" and I just made an impulse buy knowing that either one of them was a steal at the price they were selling the set.

I tried to even research the set to see if I could find reviews on it or basic information, and like you said, and as is the consensus, there hasn't been much reported about the set.

I believe in part, that is what this forum is about. Learning about this set and the purchases we made.

Thus far, I am not disappointed.

If I were you, I would open it up, set it up, play around with it, see what you think, and then make your own decision.

Walmart will accept the return whether you have opened the box and tested the set or not.

Certainly can't hurt to give it a go.

TashunkaWitko

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I was fortunate enough to purchase the 46" in Oregon where these TV's went off the shelves in minutes.
I tried the settings posted on page 3 and it really made my HD programming jump out. Thanks for that info!
I do notice that sometimes in commercials or on certain channels I have some scrambled picture at the top of the set - it's just about a 1/2 inch bar across the entire top of the TV. I had the same problem on my 42" Vizio I replaced with this TV - but the Vizio allowed me to move the picture on the screen a little bit so it would not show these sorts of edges. Is that possible on this Sharp? Would I have to give up the 1:1 dot to dot mode you guys have suggested? Just curious.

blytle14

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Quote:
Originally Posted by blytle14
I was fortunate enough to purchase the 46" in Oregon where these TV's went off the shelves in minutes.
I tried the settings posted on page 3 and it really made my HD programming jump out. Thanks for that info!
I do notice that sometimes in commercials or on certain channels I have some scrambled picture at the top of the set - it's just about a 1/2 inch bar across the entire top of the TV. I had the same problem on my 42" Vizio I replaced with this TV - but the Vizio allowed me to move the picture on the screen a little bit so it would not show these sorts of edges. Is that possible on this Sharp? Would I have to give up the 1:1 dot to dot mode you guys have suggested? Just curious.
Actually, I think there is a positioning function in one of the menus if I remember correctly. However, I noticed this too with a few networks that were not broadcasting in full HD. Sometimes the View Mode wouldn't even permit me to do Dot by Dot and it was replaced with the Full Screen or something along that name which if I had that selected would display a bit of the scrambled edge of the picture. I would just change the setting to the top setting in view mode for those channels and had no problem.

However, I'd be curious to know if the picture could be moved to alleviate that. Only concern there would be the positioning of other input sources if you were to knock the positioning off from center.

Try playing with it and re-post results.

TashunkaWitko

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Willard
What about the panel, is it 8 bit or 10 bit?
It is a 10 bit panel and has a 10bit demo that states that fact. If it was not a 10-bit panel but the show room demo falsely stated it, was Sharp would get sued.

I can also see the 10bit effect on live HD video feeds that show reduced color banding (smooth color transitions just like the 10bit demo shows).

WhatHappend

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Quote:
Originally Posted by blytle14
I was fortunate enough to purchase the 46" in Oregon where these TV's went off the shelves in minutes.
I tried the settings posted on page 3 and it really made my HD programming jump out. Thanks for that info!
I do notice that sometimes in commercials or on certain channels I have some scrambled picture at the top of the set - it's just about a 1/2 inch bar across the entire top of the TV. I had the same problem on my 42" Vizio I replaced with this TV - but the Vizio allowed me to move the picture on the screen a little bit so it would not show these sorts of edges. Is that possible on this Sharp? Would I have to give up the 1:1 dot to dot mode you guys have suggested? Just curious.
With 1:1 mode you can't move any TV image. The screen only has 1920x1080 pixels and to move the image would leave some pixels unused. What you are seeing in the VBI information that was used for CC and TV rating system for standard definition. If you don't like it, you have to give up 1:1 mode on any TV.

I wish TV manufactures and STB manufactures would give the customer a 1:1 mode that would allow the user to add a user definable black frame around the image to hide those pulsing white dot on some TV content.

But as time goes by everything should be broadcast from OTA, SAT, & CABLE in HD and that will fix this issue.

WhatHappend

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TashunkaWitko
I do not believe it is the Active Contrast option that is controlling the lightening and darkening of the backlight. (I actually think the Active Contrast function gives flesh tone color an appropriate feel, but I am still playing with having it on and off before I make a decision on whether to use it.)
That is not what Active Contrast does. What you described is a auto color feature that this TV does not have.

Active Contrast makes the darkest color on the screen black, which causes a pulsing effect on certain content.

WhatHappend

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatHappend
That is not what Active Contrast does. What you described is a auto color feature that this TV does not have.

Active Contrast makes the darkest color on the screen black, which causes a pulsing effect on certain content.
Thank you for explaining. I just felt that skin tones/shading looked more appropriate with the Active Contrast on for certain source material. Didn't really intend to say that it changed the color, though it does appear to affect the color in tones. Just like if you were to manually adjust contrast while watching a program, darker to lighter. Dunno, just what I saw on a few different feeds. I don't see it adjusting shading constantly or pulsing like you mentioned, and not to the degree that the person inquiring seemed to be experiencing.

I was thinking that Active Contrast adjusts contrast levels across the screen according to the content at different intervals. Not the whole picture which a backlight source change would indicate.

The only function I saw significantly adjusting the backlight directly was the Power Save Menu options. If you want to test that yourself, go for it. I just remember my 52" bouncing lighter and darker with the middle Power Save mode on.

Thanks for the info and follow up.

TashunkaWitko

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TashunkaWitko

For a "Budget" entry level large screen LCD, I believe these Sharp models have a high level of performance on a $$$/performance ratio.
Damn right!

IMHO here's how I rate it.

A rating on 1080p blu-rays...BEAUTFUL,CLEAR/CRISP images (the dark knight IMAX scenes BLEW.ME.AWAY).

B rating on HD Programming. Not horrible but not as clear/coloful/smooth as my Sammy 50" 720p plasma...B Rating is still good for the price I paid. The recommended settings on page 3 really saved the rating from a C+

A- rating on look and finish. It doesn't look cheap. It's stylist but not as 'pricey' looking as the Samsungs. Still AWESOME looking/finish for the price.

Final Rating = A- which is like a 9 out of 10 overall since we got an amazing product for the $$$. This TV would be a B-/C+ if we had paid the $1490 'Suggested Retail Price'

And it could only get better as we 'break-it in' and find more color/CMS adjustments!

I would highly recommend this TV to any family/friend and I could never go back to watching blu-rays on my Sammy 50" Plasma 720p. This Sharp blows it out of the water in this aspect.

cris619

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Thanks for the information. I will break out the TV, see how it looks and try the adjustments in this thread before deciding if I will keep it or not.

Now I just hope that I got a panel without any significant defects (dead pixels, banding, back light bleed etc) as it sounds like the chance of finding a replacement in store would be nil.

Great thread btw I assumed the panel would be an 8 bit but the presence of a 10 bit demo would suggest otherwise... although I am not sure that this guarantees they are 10 bit panels. They exagerate the supposed enhancements in all the demos I have seen on TV's in store. Hence an 8 bit panel would be more than capable of demonstrating the simulated, exaggerated difference portrayed in the demo... the demo programs could just be standard and loaded on to alll the 2009 sharp LCD TV's.

Mr Willard

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Any suggestions for RGB Full Range and Super-White settings for the PS3?

antifood

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I also noticed that the screen image is controlled by power savings, It monitors the ambient light in the room and must also adjust to the video image being displayed. I suspect that this is for a situation where the tv will not be adjusted per one preference, and need to make adjustments for all conditions, example a waiting room, expo, sports bar, rest home, or just for people that expect the tv to do its thing without any specific performance.

So it might be beneficial for people to give their room information, example Batcave, family room with blackout curtains and white ceiling, family room with lots of windows sheer curtains.

Just like projectors in that performance can be reduced by ambient light and reflections of light.

If you are like me then these auto adjusting system can be turned off when the sun goes down and the dark room with dim lighting is the perfered setting.

The dynamic contrast or movie, cinema settings also are preset to a recipe that was designed to common parameters, so it might be beneficial to determine what each input will be set to as user tweaked style.

chiribomb

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While hooking up the home theatre system to the TV, i was surprised to see optical audio out. The specs on Sharp website indicates only co-axial audio out. For some reason, co-axial wasn't working for me but optical does. Sound is great now through Onkyo receiver although TV speakers werent too bad. You will need to to go to audio option in the menu and set the output to variable and you can control the volume with the TV remote.

aiyer

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The D85UN, SB57, and E77 share the same firmware file. That says they are nearly identical from a functionality point of view and from a build point of view. I'm willing to bet that the SB57 is an Aquos guts with a different chasis. Manufacturers do this to get economies of scales. Looking at the spec differences posted on Sharp's website shows that there is minimal difference between these sets. The SB57 has some items blank. This doesn't mean it's not the same. It means Sharp chooses not to disclose it to make the more expensive models appear better.

Companies like Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams, etc... want to sell the same name brands to the public. They also want exclusive models. Manufacturers respond by modifying shells (different materials, finishes, coatings, etc) and thus model numbers and they get to protect their upper name brands. Inside they are identical. This also prevents price matching and thus they can each claim lower prices. It's done with PCs all the time. Compare specs. If it smells like an Aquos, walks like an Aquos, and talks like an Aquos..... Sharp makes it's money from the AQ line, but it needs the mass market volumes to keep costs down. WM makes money from volume. It's a win-win for both.

Getoutadaway

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Originally Posted by Getoutadaway
The D85UN, SB57, and E77 share the same firmware file. That says they are nearly identical from a functionality point of view and from a build point of view. I'm willing to bet that the SB57 is an Aquos guts with a different chasis. Manufacturers do this to get economies of scales. Looking at the spec differences posted on Sharp's website shows that there is minimal difference between these sets. The SB57 has some items blank. This doesn't mean it's not the same. It means Sharp chooses not to disclose it to make the more expensive models appear better.

Companies like Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams, etc... want to sell the same name brands to the public. They also want exclusive models. Manufacturers respond by modifying shells (different materials, finishes, coatings, etc) and thus model numbers and they get to protect their upper name brands. Inside they are identical. This also prevents price matching and thus they can each claim lower prices. It's done with PCs all the time. Compare specs. If it smells like an Aquos, walks like an Aquos, and talks like an Aquos..... Sharp makes it's money from the AQ line, but it needs the mass market volumes to keep costs down. WM makes money from volume. It's a win-win for both.
BTW, I was just looking at the specs for the LG 240Hz posted on SD and the engine type is "XD" same as on the Sharp E77. So even different companies use the same components. The Panel is better in that it has a faster response time. But this could actually be the "same" panels and they're just sorted at the manufacturer. Intel used to do this with their chips. The ones that passed 1Ghz were labeled 1Ghz, those that failed were rated slower say 900Mhz. Same chip, just manufacturing differences led to better performance. Kinda like tuning your engine.

Getoutadaway

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Figured out the scaling issue - had to set my catalyst control center (on the htpc) to max. overscan, and it fills the whole screen. Any reason it does this on dot by dot (1:1 pixel mapping I thought?), and is this a problem?

moro310

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I doubt they are identical. It is most likely E series has a better gut than SB.
SB series is Sharp's entry level. Sharp has moved away from providing dynamic contrast ratio numbers. Instead, they have a grading scale for contrast. Look for Spectral contrast engine label like D/UD/XD/MC. XD (extreme dark) has better black levels/contrast than UD (Ultra dark). SB series is UD. What is not clear is if the spectral contrast engine is just video processing unit or combination of panel/video processing/backlighting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Getoutadaway
The D85UN, SB57, and E77 share the same firmware file. That says they are nearly identical from a functionality point of view and from a build point of view. I'm willing to bet that the SB57 is an Aquos guts with a different chasis. Manufacturers do this to get economies of scales. Looking at the spec differences posted on Sharp's website shows that there is minimal difference between these sets. The SB57 has some items blank. This doesn't mean it's not the same. It means Sharp chooses not to disclose it to make the more expensive models appear better.
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aiyer

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Originally Posted by aiyer
I doubt they are identical. It is most likely E series has a better gut than SB.
SB series is Sharp's entry level. Sharp has moved away from providing dynamic contrast ratio numbers. Instead, they have a grading scale for contrast. Look for Spectral contrast engine label like D/UD/XD/MC. XD (extreme dark) has better black levels/contrast than UD (Ultra dark). SB series is UD. What is not clear is if the spectral contrast engine is just video processing unit or combination of panel/video processing/backlighting.
And the D85 also has a UD engine and it's an AQ model.

Getoutadaway

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There are a few thing to consider when mounting, are you going to be watching only from your bed, do you change your bedroom layout around or never.

Does the mount have enough movement to be truly flexible.

Thank god the weight is only about 60 pounds, but i have a 32" older model that weighs this much, and this what i used:

I bought mine at Home Depot so that if I did not like it, I could just take it back, good luck getting to try before you buy.
Use of a lowes 10% off coupon is also helpful.

I chose an articulating arm style that allows movement in 2 axises or left/right, in/out from the wall and viewing angle.

So as far as where you want the center of the tv or mount, i choose my eye level or about 5'7".

I have read that some people who do not prop themselves up with pillows like to mount it on the ceiling so that they are lying flat and looking almost straight up. Sounds like pron lovers

Another good center point is the center of pictures or artwork in the room.

The reason I like the arm style is if I am sitting somewhere or standing in the room doing something else I can pull it out and turn it towards me, and it allows for easly cleaning behind it.

For mounting you got to make sure that at least 2 screws hit the stud, and that can cause it to be mounted in not the perfect spot, so the arm range of motion makes up for that, also for the mount, the screws, that do not hit the studs, you should use a toggle bolt or T bolt.

HD has some nice ones that the T collapses and goes thru a 1/2 hole and then springs out inside the wall to be a T so that the force is distributed out kind of like a grappling hook behind the Drywall.

Good luck and report back.
I am using one of the MONOPRICE mounts... I will be laying in bed with pillows proping me up to view the TV. So, what distance from the floor should I mount the TV on the wall.. I need this information quickly because I am mounting the TV this morning..

pglover19

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I am using one of the MONOPRICE mounts... I will be laying in bed with pillows proping me up to view the TV. So, what distance from the floor should I mount the TV on the wall.. I need this information quickly because I am mounting the TV this morning..
Lay in bed with the pillows like you would to watch it. Focus on the wall and find the spot where you're looking straight at the wall and are comfortable. Mark that spot (masking tape is good). Now that's the center of the TV. Use the same tape and tape the outline of the TV on the wall using the center spot as your guide. Lay back down and look at the center spot and the corners, bottom, top. If you can see the corners comfortably (nothing in the way, feet, covers, pillows, dog, your wife..) then that's the spot. If not, then adjust from there. Can't give an exact height because it depends on how high your bed is off the ground (platform beds are much lower for example), how you prop yourself, etc... You didn't specify in your post. This procedure should help.

Getoutadaway

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my local walmart still has this on sale...gonna pick one up tonight or tomorrow...which warranty for this is better...the optional warranty at walmart or the mack (?) mentioned earlier in this thread?

darkthrone

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Anyone know how to view the current firmware version running on this TV? I don't see it in the menu.

jmandawg

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Here is an article that explains that a THX movie can be used as a calibration disk:
http://www.hometheatermag.com/advice...perts/407cali/

Then please report your settings and setup for the rest of us.

chiribomb

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link didnt work

umx

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link didnt work
here you go
http://www.hometheatermag.com/advice...perts/407cali/

will try whenever i get home! (overtime is a bitch)

cris619

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Just got one of these today - called yesterday after seeing the price still up online, and they honored the price. Pretty cool as the display model had the regular price.

Messed around with the settings a little, and I like it so far. With 1080P sources blows my '06 model 50" DLP away (obviously).

I have noticed some of the issues others have been talking about, and will play around with the fine motion/120hz, etc once I'm more used to the set.

One thing someone brought up, which I haven't seen an answer for yet - I have my HTPC connected via dvi/hdmi, with dot to dot (which I assume is 1:1 pixel mapping), and it cuts off about 1" on top and bottom, and 2" left and right. Didn't have this problem on my dlp at 1280x720 (native), and this one is set at 1920x1080 60hz. Any ideas?

moro310

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Originally Posted by cris619
here you go
http://www.hometheatermag.com/advice...perts/407cali/

will try whenever i get home! (overtime is a bitch)
ffffffffffuuuuuuu! i recently moved and i still haven't brought all my DVDs to the new apartment so i have NO damn THX dvd at the new place! (just all my blu-rays)... i was looking forward to doing the calibration but now i'll have to wait 'til tomorrow after i pick up my old dvds...

cris619

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Quote:
Originally Posted by moro310
One thing someone brought up, which I haven't seen an answer for yet - I have my HTPC connected via dvi/hdmi, with dot to dot (which I assume is 1:1 pixel mapping), and it cuts off about 1" on top and bottom, and 2" left and right. Didn't have this problem on my dlp at 1280x720 (native), and this one is set at 1920x1080 60hz. Any ideas?
Are you sure you pressed the Aspect button until you got to "Dot by Dot" while the HTPC HDMI connection was bing displayed?

I have a HTPC with Geforce 6600GT hooked up via a DVI to HDMI converter and every pixel is shown at 1920x1080 59.94Hz (That is the correct refresh for ATSC television). I haven't tried 60Hz yet, because that would screw with all the HDTV shows I record and playback.

WhatHappend

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did anyone find out why hd programming doesn't look so good on this model?

darkthrone

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Originally Posted by darkthrone
did anyone find out why hd programming doesn't look so good on this model?
There could be any number of reasons/factors.

Just as a reference, I worked out some PPI numbers on 1080p and 720p sets to estimate pixel content in correlation to set size. (I am no expert on this so if my figures/calculations are off, please excuse me.) If you are coming from a smaller 1080p set, you might notice some of the differences in the pixel content though it is unlikely. However, any distortion on your HD feeds may become more prevalent on a larger display. A smaller display will sort of blend that distortion together and your eye will have a more difficult time picking it up with all of the pixel mapping. (Or at least this is what I can figure, thinking about it.)

Refer to the following PPI (Pixels Per Square Inch) Figures I have calculated:


37" @ 1080p = 3,546 PPI
40" @ 1080p = 3,034 PPI
42" @ 1080p = 2,752 PPI
46" @ 1080p = 2,294 PPI
52" @ 1080p = 1,795 PPI

37" @ 720p = 1,576 PPI
40" @ 720p = 1,348 PPI
42" @ 720p = 1,223 PPI
46" @ 720p = 1,019 PPI
52" @ 720p = 798 PPI

Now, PPI content does not necessarily determine picture quality. There are a host of factors. However, PPI is certainly something to consider when looking into the capabilities of your set. Have you taken notice of the display zone on the Sharp 52" when viewing HD content from your HD Box? It should display the display output of the HD feed there (Upper Right Hand Corner). You may find it not distributing 1080p, but rather 720p. I am still uncertain how 720p HD feeds would be distributed across a 1080p set, in regard to pixel mapping. In addition, I would just feel prone to say that the quality of your image is dependent solely upon the quality of your source. HD Services have come a long way, but I still feel that they are not True HD as they claim to be, and I work for a cable company.

There is such a wide host of factors for why the HD feeds are not at par with what I would believe to be a True HD Standard, and it will probably be some time before they ever get there.

This is to say that even if your HD Box is sending a 1080p signal to your set, there are a host of factors that can cause that HD Feed to be distorted somewhere on your providers network, or even in the conversions for displaying over HDMI to your set itself. Network feeds are delivered in a host of ways, and there is a ton of combining, re-combining, and signal changes that occur beyond the box installed in a home.

In short, your HD Service, although worlds above basic analog or digital service, is perhaps, not really the best source for HD Video. Some sets compensate for IQ (Image Quality) loss better than others. I am uncertain of why that is.

For instance: some HD Sets hooked up directly to a piece of coax for basic analog cable will display the picture of those channels at a much higher IQ than the same set connected through an HD Box watching the same exact analog channel as it passes through the HD Box and HDMI component into the set. There is some sort of scaling changes occurring that will dramatically affect the IQ of the feed. Those scaling changes can just wreak havoc on the set and I wouldn’t even know how to begin placing where the true issue lies.

So as I mentioned on the SlickDeals forum. The quality of the image on your set is dependent on the quality of the source. Regardless of how good you think your HD Box is, or your Service Provider, I would not use HD TV as a scale to measure quality/capabilities of a television set. Then again, maybe others would use that as a scale for the particular reason of how a set will handle different quality feeds. I just feel it is not a level playing field to really work with.

Last night I was watching HD TV through my 52” Sharp and I made a few adjustments to some levels and the picture quality seems adequate. I still have to discuss some box related options with my tech buds here in the cable industry, but I really don’t believe it will get much better than what I am seeing. Now, watching a local network in HD, the picture was rather sharp and clean. Within that local network, watching the news last night, they would input other network feeds for some of the stories they were airing, and instantly, the IQ would drop down, and I would pick up distortion and issues. This is a prime example of how many changes are being made in the programming you watch. Even commercials can often drop in IQ levels.

My Settings Thus Far:

A/V Mode: Standard
View Mode: Dot by Dot (When Available: Seems to be Source Compliant)

OPC: Off
Backlight: -8
Contrast: +32
Brightness: -1
Color: +2
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Advanced menu:
Fine Motion Enhanced: Off
Active Contrast: On
Film Mode: Standard (When Available: Seems to be Source Compliant)
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [N/A]

Color Temp: Low/Med (Still playing with it.)

Power Control menu:
Power Saving: Off

I have yet to mess with the Hue/Saturation Levels and may play with that later as I see fit after the set breaks in more.

Haven't had all that much time to run more tests. But should be able to break out some Blu-Ray movies shortly to run this test through a fair standard.

PS3 Games look fantastic.

TashunkaWitko

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Originally Posted by chiribomb
Can you other owners mute the tv and listen for a low level buzzing, I was getting that no matter what the sources is, I noticed that I could reduce or make it a little louder by turning off the OPC or playing around with the energy saving settings, it must have to do with controlling the light output, the circuity may use some sort of dimming to adjust for ambient lighting and power savings or the combination of the two.

I think I will be keeping this unit unless it can not be repaired by Sharp, I going to be pricing out a Mack warranty to protect my investment after the one year.
Tested for low level buzzing. No buzzing or humming while sound is muted.

TashunkaWitko

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Originally Posted by darkthrone
did anyone find out why hd programming doesn't look so good on this model?
I had a JVC HDILA 52" 720p native set and this 52" Sharp blow it away on normal HD programming. Sports might have had a slightly better color tint on the JVC (I liked the green on the football field better), but I am still messing with the Sharps color calibration.

If you are running the TV in any kind of dynamic mode or enabling the Noise reduction that may be your problem.

I also need to turn the Sharpness control to +1 otherwise the Sharp LCD seems to slightly soften the image. (Any more than +1 and you can see Halos on text and other dark edges.)

WhatHappend

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Originally Posted by TashunkaWitko
Tested for low level buzzing. No buzzing or humming while sound is muted.
My Sharp is also dead silent (no buzzing).

WhatHappend

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Originally Posted by WhatHappend
I had a JVC HDILA 52" 720p native set and this 52" Sharp blow it away on normal HD programming. Sports might have had a slightly better color tint on the JVC (I liked the green on the football field better), but I am still messing with the Sharps color calibration.

If you are running the TV in any kind of dynamic mode or enabling the Noise reduction that may be your problem.

I also need to turn the Sharpness control to +1 otherwise the Sharp LCD seems to slightly soften the image. (Any more than +1 and you can see Halos on text and other dark edges.)
Glad to hear you are seeing an improvement. 720p to 1080p on a 52" Set is a big step up. I would think it would be noticeable immediately in a side by side comparison.

TashunkaWitko

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Originally Posted by TashunkaWitko

For instance: some HD Sets hooked up directly to a piece of coax for basic analog cable will display the picture of those channels at a much higher IQ than the same set connected through an HD Box watching the same exact analog channel as it passes through the HD Box and HDMI component into the set. There is some sort of scaling changes occurring that will dramatically affect the IQ of the feed. Those scaling changes can just wreak havoc on the set and I wouldn’t even know how to begin placing where the true issue lies.
YES!

That's exactly it! My biggest gripe was how the Sharp 52" didn't look as RICH/SMOOTH on HD Programming as the Samsung 50" Plasma (720p)BECAUSE I _always_ had the Sammy hooked up directly via coax cable (no cable box). I also remember how the SAMSUNG first looked when i connected my brothers' Cox HD-Box cable and said to myself 'hmmm, i could have sworn it looked better before?' but didn't say much since a couple days later I had purchased this Sharp.

Thanks for the write-up and thanks for sharing your settings (will try them tonight after I remember to pick up my old DVDs so I can calibrate the picture via the THX test).

Glad more people are chiming in, the more the better.

PS. BLU-RAYS really looked ****ing great! I'm still on clown 9 about it. Pure 1080P BD-Disc is what makes this TV really shine and worthwhile. Still satisfied with my purchase. I just have to realize that the HD programming won't look as good as the Sammy via direct coax cable.

cris619

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Originally Posted by WhatHappend
My Sharp is also dead silent (no buzzing).
Same here

cris619

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With regards to the buzzing, I am not concerned as of yet, except that my unit was a floor model and more than likely had months of continuous hours on it. I would like to hear from anyone that has had this model for many months, but this gives me an excuse to get Sharp out here and do a free service call.

As I stated before the unmolested signal of a BD or HD disk though a player via hdmi will be the best to test this tv. MKV rips via htpc dvi to hdmi, will also be just as good, as well.

For broadcast shows OTA will be the true test for the live processing and motion blurr.

If you are receiving broadcasts from any type of box or cable provider, you must consider that the provider must capture the feed and then process it and send it though their network just to get to your tv.

All this hype about being in HD is just sales words, and must be backed up with the true resolution that it was originally produced within.

If you received a broadcast of a OTA show that with an antenna is recieved in 1080i, thats it, but the provider could try and manipulate it to another res just to try and sell it as better. HD

The first thing I watched that was on was the USC game on ESPN broadcast on KABC 7.1 in Los Angeles. It was broadcast at 720p or HD and was recieved by my antenna and to my tv as 720p. I did not see any blurr or un-natural movements, speed was consistent with natural motion. If you watch the display the commercials would then switch to 1080i as they were inserted at the local level and not part of the ESPN feed, the resolution would drop off and change, some of the commercials like for movie trailers that are modified for the Atsc broadcast were 720p and looked very good.

So just remember if it looks very good it due to the source being unmolested by the player, otherwise its not the tv, its the source or delivery method.

Some of the other brands or types i.e. Plasma have the inherent ability to reduce the defects and compensate for the variations to minimize them, this tv may not be as adept as those units, so consider that.

chiribomb

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Originally Posted by chiribomb
Some of the other brands or types i.e. Plasma have the inherent ability to reduce the defects and compensate for the variations to minimize them, this tv may not be as adept as those units, so consider that.
And this explains why my Samsung 50" Plasma 720p > Sharp 52" LCD 1080p on HD Programming

Plasma is such an awesome technology and I so wish the Sharp was one too. Also my eyes are just so used to it since I had it for a whole year.

But there's no way I would ever go back to my Samsung Plasma while watching Blu-ray movies...this is where the Sharp comes in handy by 10 folds.

(sorry if i'm starting to sound like a broken record, i just need to keep repeating this to myself so it sinks in )

cris619

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I would also like to see some energy usage comparisons with plasma and lcd's in this size, but i think that the specs give us an idea of it.
If anyone has a kilawatt or other measuring device handy and own this tv, i would like to see some info and compare it to the stated usage.

chiribomb

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Originally Posted by chiribomb
All this hype about being in HD is just sales words, and must be backed up with the true resolution that it was originally produced within.
Indeed. All about the source, quality of that source, as well as the format for the original picture.

As you and I mentioned, some sets just compensate for IQ loss better than others, and even then there is a wide array of factors playing into it.

It's like the difference between Upscaling DVD vs. Blu-Ray. DVD standard is 480i/480p. Upscaling DVD takes that 480i/480p and renders the same source image with maping for a 720p/1080i/1080p format/output. However, the true image quality will really never render beyond 480i/480p which is the source. It may look better than 480i/480p standard on the HD Set, as the scale maping is taking that source image and breaking it down to a higher resolution, but it will never be at scale with a true 1080p source.

With new movies in Blu-Ray, it is fairly certain that the source image will be true 1080p. This is why Blu-Ray represents what I believe to be a true test for the resolution/capability of an HD Set.

TashunkaWitko

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I just saw this one go on sale, anybody have any insight, to the differences of the two tv's
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1656469

http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home...LC52D85UN.aspx

What I have found with companies that produce products that range from top tier to entry level is that eventually those technologies or components filter down to the entry level as continuing supported by the manufacturer. Or that they contain the same components but some of the features are not enabled.

http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home...C52SB57UN.aspx

More information on the 8 vs. 10 bit panel:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3172842AAThMWr

chiribomb

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Originally Posted by chiribomb
I was looking at the user manual and my remote does not look like the one in the manual, what remote do you guys have, mine has the id as GA667WJSA on the front of it.


I just saw this one go on sale, anybody have any insight, to the differences of the two tv's
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1656469

http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home...LC52D85UN.aspx

What I have found with companies that produce products that range from top tier to entry level is that eventually those technologies or components filter down to the entry level as continuing supported by the manufacturer. Or that they contain the same components but some of the features are not enabled.

http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home...C52SB57UN.aspx

More information on the 8 vs. 10 bit panel:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3172842AAThMWr
It seems to be the case that the big difference in the units would be in the panel type. I believe the panel used for the LCD Display in the LC52SB57UN uses a panel type that was developed for the Aquos SB Series released in 2008. However, that series seems to have a few different specs than the LC52SB57UN set. Again, it looks like this is the new "Budget Model" and although it doesn't receive the "AQUOS" stamp, it probably would have received that stamp back in 2008. I couldn't clarify if it was an 8 bit panel. The model you referenced and linked for the LC52D85UN is of the D-85 model series and is confirmed to have that 10 bit panel you referenced.

I would say that some of the other components/parts in the LC52SB57UN have been upgraded to better standards, which would result in better response time and viewing angles than the 2008 AQUOS SB series. (4ms Response vs 6ms Response of prior SB models.)

Many of the specs seem to be pretty at par with one another between the LC52D85UN and LC52SB57UN models.

A bit older technology on the panel, otherwise, upgraded to better components from what I can gather.

Still a great value if you ask me, especially considering the list price of the 52" SB Series as of August 2008 was over $2000.00.

References:
http://www.hdtvlounge.net/sharp/sb-series/
http://www.itechnews.net/2008/08/05/...ies-lcd-hdtvs/

TashunkaWitko

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^ awesome. thanks for the info.

makes me feel even BETTER about my purchase.

cris619

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So now I am shopping for a Mack warranty and am looking at this one:
http://www.mackcam.com/servicecontra...=86&row_id=175
Ranges from 90 to 120, bing cb or other.

Before you buy a warranty you must verify that it is the correct one by the MFG#.
Since this is a new retail unit that was sold for under 1k and has a screen size larger than 32" that is what you should be looking for and determines the basis of coverage, because if you bought the tv for over 1k then it would be a different coverage, so avoid auctions that say warranty for Sharp model number or similar as that does not represent the price paid for the tv and you could be getting a warranty for the tv as if it was sold for 3k, your still covered but you paid to much for the warranty.

Example:
http://www.adorama.com/IMXWHT5YC2.ht...57977568670103

Just remember this does not cover a bulb as the warranty states, I just do not know what the bulb is or if it is replaceable ect, I wonder how they are going to handle the LED model tv's.

I states on the Sharp info that bulb should last for thousands of hours, but this is well beyond the 1st year


On ebay type in mack warranty tv and choose either 3 or 5 year.
You can google it also, but remember these sellers are just middle men so a auction is the best way to get one if the price is best.

I think buyitnow still works with bing for cashback.

I did it when it was live cashback and at 25%, slick

Examples:

MFG # 1050 3 year on site for tv under 1k about $89
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mack-In-Home-3-Y...item45eee1e90b
MFG # 1005 3 year carry in for tv under 1k about $50
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mack-Carry-in-3-...item45ef283c23


MFG # 1402 5 year in home for tv under 1k about $120
http://www.adorama.com/IMXWHT5YA.html
http://www.mackcam.com/servicecontra...=86&row_id=175
Once sold and received the cert is registered with mack and mack handles all claims.

It looks like the bulb warranty is the 1065, but that is for projectors, I have that warranty and have used it for 1 bulb and was reimbursed the 300 that it cost to replace my bulb that went out after 2000 hours and a couple of blackouts which caused the cooling fan to stop and in my opinion reduced the life of the bulb, I eliminated that with a Battery Backed UPS

So now to do the research on bulb and backlight replacements.

Also do not forget that you do not have to purchase the Warranty until:

This service contract may be purchased for New Products with at least ninety (90) days remaining on the original manufacturer’s warranty. You must register this warranty within thirty (30) days with Mack Camera by visiting us at our website www.mackcam.com or by calling us toll free at 1-800-252-MACK (6225) or 973-467-2291.

chiribomb

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Thanks for posting your setting. Will try them tonight (I'm pretty close from what I recall.


Indeed PS3 games looks FANTASTIC on it.

Uncharted 2... OMG

Quote:
Originally Posted by TashunkaWitko
There could be any number of reasons/factors.

Just as a reference, I worked out some PPI numbers on 1080p and 720p sets to estimate pixel content in correlation to set size. (I am no expert on this so if my figures/calculations are off, please excuse me.) If you are coming from a smaller 1080p set, you might notice some of the differences in the pixel content though it is unlikely. However, any distortion on your HD feeds may become more prevalent on a larger display. A smaller display will sort of blend that distortion together and your eye will have a more difficult time picking it up with all of the pixel mapping. (Or at least this is what I can figure, thinking about it.)

Refer to the following PPI (Pixels Per Square Inch) Figures I have calculated:


37" @ 1080p = 3,546 PPI
40" @ 1080p = 3,034 PPI
42" @ 1080p = 2,752 PPI
46" @ 1080p = 2,294 PPI
52" @ 1080p = 1,795 PPI

37" @ 720p = 1,576 PPI
40" @ 720p = 1,348 PPI
42" @ 720p = 1,223 PPI
46" @ 720p = 1,019 PPI
52" @ 720p = 798 PPI

Now, PPI content does not necessarily determine picture quality. There are a host of factors. However, PPI is certainly something to consider when looking into the capabilities of your set. Have you taken notice of the display zone on the Sharp 52" when viewing HD content from your HD Box? It should display the display output of the HD feed there (Upper Right Hand Corner). You may find it not distributing 1080p, but rather 720p. I am still uncertain how 720p HD feeds would be distributed across a 1080p set, in regard to pixel mapping. In addition, I would just feel prone to say that the quality of your image is dependent solely upon the quality of your source. HD Services have come a long way, but I still feel that they are not True HD as they claim to be, and I work for a cable company.

There is such a wide host of factors for why the HD feeds are not at par with what I would believe to be a True HD Standard, and it will probably be some time before they ever get there.

This is to say that even if your HD Box is sending a 1080p signal to your set, there are a host of factors that can cause that HD Feed to be distorted somewhere on your providers network, or even in the conversions for displaying over HDMI to your set itself. Network feeds are delivered in a host of ways, and there is a ton of combining, re-combining, and signal changes that occur beyond the box installed in a home.

In short, your HD Service, although worlds above basic analog or digital service, is perhaps, not really the best source for HD Video. Some sets compensate for IQ (Image Quality) loss better than others. I am uncertain of why that is.

For instance: some HD Sets hooked up directly to a piece of coax for basic analog cable will display the picture of those channels at a much higher IQ than the same set connected through an HD Box watching the same exact analog channel as it passes through the HD Box and HDMI component into the set. There is some sort of scaling changes occurring that will dramatically affect the IQ of the feed. Those scaling changes can just wreak havoc on the set and I wouldn’t even know how to begin placing where the true issue lies.

So as I mentioned on the SlickDeals forum. The quality of the image on your set is dependent on the quality of the source. Regardless of how good you think your HD Box is, or your Service Provider, I would not use HD TV as a scale to measure quality/capabilities of a television set. Then again, maybe others would use that as a scale for the particular reason of how a set will handle different quality feeds. I just feel it is not a level playing field to really work with.

Last night I was watching HD TV through my 52? Sharp and I made a few adjustments to some levels and the picture quality seems adequate. I still have to discuss some box related options with my tech buds here in the cable industry, but I really don’t believe it will get much better than what I am seeing. Now, watching a local network in HD, the picture was rather sharp and clean. Within that local network, watching the news last night, they would input other network feeds for some of the stories they were airing, and instantly, the IQ would drop down, and I would pick up distortion and issues. This is a prime example of how many changes are being made in the programming you watch. Even commercials can often drop in IQ levels.

My Settings Thus Far:

A/V Mode: Standard
View Mode: Dot by Dot (When Available: Seems to be Source Compliant)

OPC: Off
Backlight: -8
Contrast: +32
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Advanced menu:
Fine Motion Enhanced: Off
Active Contrast: On
Film Mode: Standard (When Available: Seems to be Source Compliant)
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [N/A]

Color Temp: Low/Med (Still playing with it.)

Power Control menu:
Power Saving: Off

I have yet to mess with the Hue/Saturation Levels and may play with that later as I see fit after the set breaks in more.

Haven't had all that much time to run more tests. But should be able to break out some Blu-Ray movies shortly to run this test through a fair standard.

PS3 Games look fantastic.

gabrielh1979

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I will be mounting the TV on the wall in my bedroom. I have 9 foot ceilings in my bedroom. Can someone tell me what the recommended height from the floor to the middle of the TV... Any links to a guide on the internet will be helpful....

pglover19

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pglover19
I will be mounting the TV on the wall in my bedroom. I have 9 foot ceilings in my bedroom. Can someone tell me what the recommended height from the floor to the middle of the TV... Any links to a guide on the internet will be helpful....
here's a good blog with lots of useful instructions/guide on how to properly mount an LCD/Plasma.

http://www.hometheaterblog.com/homet...lcd-or-plasma/

and for the mount:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009JR42E

incredible reviews from amazon buyers and the guy in the above blog highly recommends it.

cris619

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I used 3Ms Vikuiti LCD setup guide DVD to calibrate.

Started with Standard mode and ended with these settings
View mode: Dot by Dot
OPC: Off
Backlight: -6
Contrast: +32
Brightness: +2
Color: +2
Tint: 2
Sharpness: 1

Advanced menu:
Fine Motion Enhanced: Off
Active Contrast: On
Film Mode: advanced(low)
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [N/A]

CMS Hue menu:
No changes

CMS Saturation menu:
No changes

Color Temp menu:
Mid-low

Power Control menu:
Power Saving: Off

aiyer

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So should i leave fine motion on or off ?

umx

Official Sharp 52 LC 52SB57UN Owners Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by umx
So should i leave fine motion on or off ?
it's personal preferece...do you enjoy the 120mhz? (sometimes feels as the movie is 'sped' up).

i like it (really awesome on HD sports and blu-ray movies).

aiyer: thanks for sharing! will definitely try those (and of course have dot by dot selected!).

cris619

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cris619
here's a good blog with lots of useful instructions/guide on how to properly mount an LCD/Plasma.

http://www.hometheaterblog.com/homet...lcd-or-plasma/

and for the mount:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009JR42E

incredible reviews from amazon buyers and the guy in the above blog highly recommends it.
The blog did not mention anything about the distance from the floor to the middle of the TV when mounted on the wall... Trying to determine the height from the floor to the middle of the TV when mounting....

pglover19

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pglover19
I will be mounting the TV on the wall in my bedroom. I have 9 foot ceilings in my bedroom. Can someone tell me what the recommended height from the floor to the middle of the TV... Any links to a guide on the internet will be helpful....
There are a few thing to consider when mounting, are you going to be watching only from your bed, do you change your bedroom layout around or never.

Does the mount have enough movement to be truly flexible.

Thank god the weight is only about 60 pounds, but i have a 32" older model that weighs this much, and this what i used:

I bought mine at Home Depot so that if I did not like it, I could just take it back, good luck getting to try before you buy.
Use of a lowes 10% off coupon is also helpful.

I chose an articulating arm style that allows movement in 2 axises or left/right, in/out from the wall and viewing angle.

So as far as where you want the center of the tv or mount, i choose my eye level or about 5'7".

I have read that some people who do not prop themselves up with pillows like to mount it on the ceiling so that they are lying flat and looking almost straight up. Sounds like pron lovers

Another good center point is the center of pictures or artwork in the room.

The reason I like the arm style is if I am sitting somewhere or standing in the room doing something else I can pull it out and turn it towards me, and it allows for easly cleaning behind it.

For mounting you got to make sure that at least 2 screws hit the stud, and that can cause it to be mounted in not the perfect spot, so the arm range of motion makes up for that, also for the mount, the screws, that do not hit the studs, you should use a toggle bolt or T bolt.

HD has some nice ones that the T collapses and goes thru a 1/2 hole and then springs out inside the wall to be a T so that the force is distributed out kind of like a grappling hook behind the Drywall.

Good luck and report back.

chiribomb

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Quote:
Originally Posted by blrgrl
I just got this TV last weekend and whenever we're watching DVD's the input menu in the upper right pops up. It stays on the screen for 2-3 seconds and goes away. It seems to happen more frequently the longer the DVD is in. Additionally, sometimes when we turn on our Wii, the sound doesn't automatically come on. Even when you attempt to change the volume it will not respond for 10 seconds or so. I've only had it a week so there is time to take it back under the warranty, but I wanted to know if anyone else knew about this problem.
Sounds like a handshake issue with devices connected to the inputs, read thru the thread to verify that you have the most recent software version, if not upgrade it or call service, but I would not return unless they have stock to exchange it.

Please give us more info like the cables the resolution and setup parameters for the tv, example, Wii, component cables, 480p, ect.

chiribomb

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I am watching Con Air on TNT HD now and it looks great in 1080i all my dish 722 receiver puts out.

I am very happy with the purchase great replacement for my old 42" plasma.

bigguy42431

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I just got this TV last weekend and whenever we're watching DVD's the input menu in the upper right pops up. It stays on the screen for 2-3 seconds and goes away. It seems to happen more frequently the longer the DVD is in. Additionally, sometimes when we turn on our Wii, the sound doesn't automatically come on. Even when you attempt to change the volume it will not respond for 10 seconds or so. I've only had it a week so there is time to take it back under the warranty, but I wanted to know if anyone else knew about this problem.

blrgrl

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I love this tv. Football and blu ray on ps3 look amazing. Its nice to buy something so cheap then see the price go back up, instead of buying something expensive and seeing the price drop. For once we the customer win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

metalguy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatHappend
All connection require HDMI From Denon to Sharp
Denon (HDMI Monitor out) -- HDMI --> Sharp HDMI (any HDMI input will work)

Without Cablebox
Wii -- COMPONENT VIDEO/Optical audio --> Denon (COMPONENT VIDEO 3/Optical audio 2)
Pioneer Bluray -- HDMI --> Denon (HDMI 1 DVD)
Sharp -- Optical audio -- > Denon (Optical audio 1)

With Cablebox
Wii -- COMPONENT VIDEO/Optical audio --> Denon (COMPONENT VIDEO 3/Optical audio 2)
Pioneer Bluray -- HDMI --> Denon (HDMI 1 DVD)
Cablebox -- HDMI --> Denon (HDMI 2 HDP)
So, with my current setup (without the cablebox), I forgot to run the Optical audio cable through the wall to connect to the receiver....

pglover19

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pglover19
Ok... Let's make it simple... I have the following components:

Sharp TV
Pioneer Blu-Ray Player with HDMI
Nintendo Wii Player
Denon 2808CI Receiver

Can you explain to me how to connect these components to my receiver if I have a Comcast cable box and if I do not have a Comcast box.

Thank you so much for explaining....
All connection require HDMI From Denon to Sharp
Denon (HDMI Monitor out) -- HDMI --> Sharp HDMI (any HDMI input will work)

Without Cablebox
Wii -- COMPONENT VIDEO/Optical audio --> Denon (COMPONENT VIDEO 3/Optical audio 2)
Pioneer Bluray -- HDMI --> Denon (HDMI 1 DVD)
Sharp -- Optical audio -- > Denon (Optical audio 1)

With Cablebox
Wii -- COMPONENT VIDEO/Optical audio --> Denon (COMPONENT VIDEO 3/Optical audio 2)
Pioneer Bluray -- HDMI --> Denon (HDMI 1 DVD)
Cablebox -- HDMI --> Denon (HDMI 2 HDP)

PS - Don't forget you have to read your Denon manual and reassign the following inputs HDMI, component, and optical inputs to the functions you need.

WhatHappend

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatHappend
You have all your terminology wrong, but if you get a cable box with HDMI output, then yes you will get digital sound from your AVR.

Cable box HDMI output to AVR HDMI input then AVR HDMI output to TV HDMI input.

Cable Box -> AVR -> TV

FWIW - I have never seen a Cablebox that has any HDMI input. But you don't need a HDMI input on a cablebox, it would only be a pass through if the box was off.

Make sure you get a Cablebox that has native mode for video. Otherwise you will introduce motion issues of the box converting 720p to 1080i or 1080i to 720p.

Ok... Let's make it simple... I have the following components:

Sharp TV
Pioneer Blu-Ray Player with HDMI
Nintendo Wii Player
Denon 2808CI Receiver

Can you explain to me how to connect these components to my receiver if I have a Comcast cable box and if I do not have a Comcast box.

Thank you so much for explaining....

pglover19

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pglover19
Man... I have already mounted the TV on the wall and only run COAX cable for the cable and 1 HDMI cable through the wall. So, I am missing the audio output...

What if I get a cable box with HDMI input/output... Then I could connect the HDMI output from the cable box to the HDMI input #5 of the TV.. The HDMI input of the cable box would then go into the HDMI output of the receiver...
You have all your terminology wrong, but if you get a cable box with HDMI output, then yes you will get digital sound from your AVR.

Cable box HDMI output to AVR HDMI input then AVR HDMI output to TV HDMI input.

Cable Box -> AVR -> TV

FWIW - I have never seen a Cablebox that has any HDMI input. But you don't need a HDMI input on a cablebox, it would only be a pass through if the box was off.

Make sure you get a Cablebox that has native mode for video. Otherwise you will introduce motion issues of the box converting 720p to 1080i or 1080i to 720p.

WhatHappend

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatHappend
The HDMI connections of any TV are inputs only and don't send any audio or video out of the TV.

If you want the digital sound from your TV's tuner to your AVR you connect the optical SPDIF cable from the TV to the Denon 2808CI.
Man... I have already mounted the TV on the wall and only run COAX cable for the cable and 1 HDMI cable through the wall. So, I am missing the audio output...

What if I get a cable box with HDMI input/output... Then I could connect the HDMI output from the cable box to the HDMI input #5 of the TV.. The HDMI input of the cable box would then go into the HDMI output of the receiver...

pglover19

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pglover19
I have a Denon 2808CI receiver and no cable box just the cable outlet on the wall. I have cable channels displaying on the TV. Now I want to connect the TV to my receiver. I have an HDMI cable connected to input #5 on the TV. Can any of the HDMI inputs on the TV be used? What input on the receiver do I connect the HDMI cable from the TV?
The HDMI connections of any TV are inputs only and don't send any audio or video out of the TV.

If you want the digital sound from your TV's tuner to your AVR you connect the optical SPDIF cable from the TV to the Denon 2808CI.

WhatHappend

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I have a Denon 2808CI receiver and no cable box just the cable outlet on the wall. I have cable channels displaying on the TV. Now I want to connect the TV to my receiver. I have an HDMI cable connected to input #5 on the TV. Can any of the HDMI inputs on the TV be used? What input on the receiver do I connect the HDMI cable from the TV?

pglover19

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